




From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:20:38 -0400 (
Subject: FAQs

May I apologise to  the younger subscribers who were offended by my recent
E-mail suggesting that we might have a site for FAQs. My choice of subjects
for possible subjects for FAQs was hasty and apparently gave the wrong
impression. My message was certainly not remotely intended to be a flame and
I do not, in fact, think it came within the general meaning of an Internet
"Flame".

I am fully aware of the problems that an FAQ site would present. Certainly we
could not possibly expect Joseph to supervise it: he does enough for the List
already. But  to pipe-dream for a moment, Origami-L FAQs would be very useful
for all members. One subject I would suggest in particular would be that of
Origami and Copyright, which crops up regularly. I admit that I, for one,
have been as quilty as anyone in congesting subscribers' mailboxes with long
postings on copyright  which have had little effect in throwing light on what
is frankly a very difficult subject. Now if  a contribution about copyright
and origami could be put together by a small group of subscribers who had
some genuine knowledge of it, (but would they ever agree?) then, as a reply
to an FAQ, it would be there for everyone to consult without trawling through
the archives going back ten years or more.

I am grateful to Matthias Gutfeldt for reminding me of FAQ site maintained by
Maarten van Gelder's Origami Group. I don't know how Maarten feels about it,
but it might  be possible for it to be brought into a closer association with
Origami-L.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:20:39 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Mathematics will Fail? I hope so.

By Internet standards, it's now ancient history,but i have been looking gain
at Clre Chamberlain,s posting dated 7th July,  whole WEEK ago.

She frankly admitted that she folded for FUN, and defintitely NOT for science
chaos or pholosopy (or, I suppose, Mathematics).

Now that is a very commendable attitude, although I suspect , from the witty
tone of her posting that she firmly had her tongue wedged in her cheek. But
curiously enough, some people also study science, philosophy, chaos and
mathematics fo fun. Yet my wife, Margaret cannot for the life of her see how
anyone could possibly find any fun in mangling up a sheet of paper.

But for those who have not found the fun in mathematics, there is one of
those  wonderful books published by Dawber Kindersley, which will surely
reveal the magic of mathematics to the most resistant sceptic. It is "How
Mathematics Works" by Carol Voderman. Carol Voderman will be familiar to
British subscribers as the girl who enjoyed herself so much at Cambridge that
she came down with a third class degree in engineering and then went on make
her fame as a lightning clculator on a TV Quiz Show. She's now reputed to be
the hightest paid TV presenter in Britain. Whether this indicates that brains
come before beauty or vice versa, I'm not sure!

But do have a look at her book. I am always saying that mathematics is the
science of pattern and here this is demonstrated in a kaleidoscope of
different ways.

David Lister.

Grimsby, Englan.





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:00:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Singing Paperfolder

Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET> sez

>In the early 1990's, one of the guests on the David Letterman Show was a
>woman who folded models as she sang.  Did anyone ever catch her act?

No, but I've folded a flapping bird to a huge swirl of echoed guitar
feedback - the audience were gobsmacked, to put it mildly.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:05:32 -0400
Subject: Re: MIME

>
> I think I've found it this time... Anyone who was still getting unwanted
     'tails' to my messages, let me know what you see now.
> Thanks
>
> Julia Palffy
> jupalffy@bluewin.ch
>
Perfect, Julia!
I miss all that gibberish :-)

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:06:51 +0100
Subject: Toshie Takahama RIP

Just heard from David Brill the sad news that Toshie Takahama died
in hospital (aged 91) on July 7th. I've long been a fan of her gentle
approach to folding & she has contributed so much over the years, not
least her "unit", perhaps the most popular module of all time and one of
the very first of this genre.

Here's to you Toshie!

Nick Robinson

BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:12:27 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

DORIGAMI@AOL.COM wrote:

> Donna writes she can't fold laundry.  That's really funny because I'm the
> worst laundry folder in the world.

I don't like folding laundry, but I don't have any problem when doing
it.
When I was married I helped with that often.
And when going for a trip I packed the suitcases (and folded the
clothes).

So Origami and Landry folding are not two opposite things.

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: marty <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:14:17 -0700
Subject: Pure, functional Origami out of corrugated cardboard

Please visit  <<http://boxstar.com/platform.html>> to see what I claim to b=
e
the first pure origamic, functional, corrugated cardboard structure ever
made in the history of the Galaxy. It is extremely simple, it has no
cuts and no glue and it really works, and I am proud to have designed this
structure. It was crush-folded with only my bare hands and the edge of a
table -- no other tools were used.

David Lister, please take note of the historical significance of this
monumental achievement.

I do not make this claim lightly -- I searched the Origami archives for
every single year and found only a query
Dated: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:50:37 -0300
From: Glenn Reynolds <GDR@wapet.com.au> on the --
Subject: RE: beer cartons, cabbages & kings

Who wrote -- " ... No dis to Engineers intended. When I was at University,
the Eng. students
had an iron man comp every year. Sometimes=A0=A0teams of 4 would each drink 24
cans of Foster's between them and eat the cardboard carton. No, I don't kno=
w
why. Probably because they'd each just had a six pack in five minutes. Then
they'd run until they were sick.

He then asked, "Can corrugated cardboard be folded?"

Valerie Vann responded, "<<Can corrugated cardboard be folded?>> Well yes,
...
Corrugated cardboard, especially the thinner Asian variety can be
"soft scored", i.e. not cut, just the inner corrugations flattened,
by using a heavy metal rule or similar and hitting it to make a
straight dent or "score" across the corrugations. The other direction,
with the corrugations, is a bit trickier, as the cardboard tend to bend
in other places (between the corrugations), so it helps to bend along
a sharp table edge. Don't think I'd attempt anything but some large scale
simple modulars though."

While you are at the BoxStar site - you can see some award winning cardboar=
d
furniture, a cardboard boat and a cardboard solar cooker -- with the URL's
to get more information on these. Go to
<<http://boxstar.com/cardboardonweb.htm>>

And you can read a delightful story about a remembrances of a childhood cit=
y
made of boxes at <<http://boxstar.com/boxcity.html>>

By the way -- when I spell-checked this letter -- my computer did not have
the word "origami" in it's vocabulary???





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:23:40 -0700
Subject: Origami and Laundry and Women and Math

Hmm... Martin is the only origami folder to mention proficiency with
laundry -- could we be discovering another gender difference in origami
here? :>)

Or perhaps we have a situation parallel to that of Randy Waterhouse, a
character in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, who says that he is good at
math, but avoids numbers ...  Laundry is simply too basic to warrant the
attention of those who have soared to the lofty heights of origami...  Or
too impure, since the starting material not only is NOT of a regular,
geometric shape, but ALSO has been adhered -- with thread of all things, a
substance not resorted to even by the most impure of glue fanatics -- and
even contains HOLES!!  Clearly, laundry is completely beyond the pale
(unless well bleached), and should be avoided by all folders following even
the most permissive of traditions.

Above, definitely intended as humor.  I haven't the skill at it of Terry
Pratchett, the hugely entertaining, hilarious, and thoughtful author of the
Discworld series -- which I was glad to see mentioned, but confess I didn't
follow how it came up.

Possibly still incoherent from jet lag,
Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Kurt Reimer <gkr@VOICENET.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:15:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

>
> Donna writes she can't fold laundry.  That's really funny because I'm the
> worst laundry folder in the world.  That is the chore I have always liked
> least.  Someone once taught me  a good way to fold a sheet though.  If
> anybody wants to know I will verbalize the directions.  And only today I saw
> directions in a magazine on how to fold a sheet with corners.  Somehow you
> put one corner into the adjoining corner and then fold.
>
        When I went to college and had to begin doing my own laundry,
I just sort of crumpled up the first few sheets with corners (or
'fitted sheets') that I washed. Then one day at the laundramat I
observed a lady folding her fitted sheets in the manner that you
described. I watched, and felt that I had finally arrived in the world
of laundry! The story of "The Secret of Folding Fitted Sheets" was
good for several late-night sessions around the bong in the next few
years. That was probably the closest I ever came to Origami until
just a couple of years ago.

        It took me several more years to discover bleach, and a few
more  after that to stop dissolving my underwear after four or five
washings, but that's another story.

Yours,

Kurt Reimer
gkr@voicenet.com
Voicenet Systems Administration





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:20:46 -0400
Subject: Re: MIME

On 14 Jul 99, at 8:05, Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

> > I think I've found it this time... Anyone who was still getting unwanted
     'tails' to my messages, let me know what you see now.
> > Thanks
> >
> Perfect, Julia!
> I miss all that gibberish :-)

Not quite perfect: Julia's mail client is still not putting in
newlines in the right places, and so her email is coming through as a
single hugely-long-line of text [as you can see from the '>'s your
reply: just one ">" for her entire message].  Standard email
netiquette also includes limiting line length to <72 or so chars [the
actual "netiquette" RFC [RFC 1855] recommends <65 but that's a bit
short for most discussion groups].

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:20:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

On 13 Jul 99, at 21:09, DORIGAMI@AOL.COM wrote:

> ... Someone once taught me  a good way to fold a sheet though.  If
> anybody wants to know I will verbalize the directions.

If you know a good way to fold fitted sheets and keep all those
%$@$#%@#$%@#$ elastic'ed edges under control, I'd be interested in
hearing about it.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: "elsje van der ploeg, elst nl" <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:21:19 +0200
Subject: Re: Fw: Swedish Stars

Thanks everybody who reacted to the swedish stars.
    xxxxxx elsje





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:26:47 -0700
Subject: [NO] Re: Elephant dung paper

At 10:55 99/07/14 -0400, you wrote:
>As for guessing, well, _I_ suspect the Elephant Library is even more
>well hidden than their legendary graveyard.  Upon further reflection,
>the graveyard mystery was probably designed merely to divert any
>attention from, nay, any awareness of, The Library!
>
>I can't even imagine the consequences of making this public, but remain
>silent I cannot...

Oh, thank you, D'gou! Now you've condemned us to being trampled by herds of
enraged pachyderms! Probably use our remains to make paper, too!

>Apparently they've learned about your connection with Joseph and his
>dealings with the Water Buffalo. I fear your only chance at improving
>communications is to find The Library and remove your name from the
>Scroll Of The Betes Noires!

Oh, yes, and I can ask the rhinos to help protect us.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:28:14 -0700
Subject: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and Math)

At 09:23 99/07/14 -0700, you wrote:
>Hmm... Martin is the only origami folder to mention proficiency with
>laundry -- could we be discovering another gender difference in origami
>here? :>)

I fold laundry reasonably well, but I try not to advertise that fact because
I find it rather tedious! 8)

>Above, definitely intended as humor.  I haven't the skill at it of Terry
>Pratchett, the hugely entertaining, hilarious, and thoughtful author of the
>Discworld series -- which I was glad to see mentioned, but confess I didn't
>follow how it came up.

Someone said that ungulates don't do math, but on the Discworld, the best
mathematicians are the camels.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:43:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

On 14 Jul 99, at 10:20, Bernie Cosell wrote:

> On 13 Jul 99, at 21:09, DORIGAMI@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > ... Someone once taught me  a good way to fold a sheet though.  If
> > anybody wants to know I will verbalize the directions.
>
> If you know a good way to fold fitted sheets and keep all those
> %$@$#%@#$%@#$ elastic'ed edges under control, I'd be interested in
> hearing about it.

Brief footnote: I know about the trick of inverting two adjacent corners
and tucking them into their neighbors.. that usually leaves me with
something that still has too much elastic everyplace pulling the straight
edges into curves and refusing to allow it to lie flat as I try to fold
over the ends...  Ah, the troubles of modern life..:o)

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:55:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

Michael LaFosse revealed:

+they would have us believe!  I imagine that all along the elephants
+have been using their paper to write important things down, and so keep
+track of them. I know it may seem improbable and I know that no one has
+made not of this activity before; and where, one might ask, do they
+hide these notes?  One may guess.

I knew it, I knew it!

As for guessing, well, _I_ suspect the Elephant Library is even more
well hidden than their legendary graveyard.  Upon further reflection,
the graveyard mystery was probably designed merely to divert any
attention from, nay, any awareness of, The Library!

I can't even imagine the consequences of making this public, but remain
silent I cannot...

+for outsiders to see and to buy their fine products. A word of caution
+now: I have had much trouble dealing with the elephants in the past,

Apparently they've learned about your connection with Joseph and his
dealings with the Water Buffalo. I fear your only chance at improving
communications is to find The Library and remove your name from the
Scroll Of The Betes Noires!

But you'll have to act very quickly, as once they learn that the
knowledge of The Library has gotten out...

-D'gou





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:00:47 +0200
Subject: MIME

I think I've found it this time... Anyone who was still getting unwanted
     'tails' to my messages, let me know what you see now.
Thanks

Julia Palffy
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Kurt Reimer <gkr@VOICENET.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:04:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

> > > ... Someone once taught me  a good way to fold a sheet though.  If
> > > anybody wants to know I will verbalize the directions.
> >
> > If you know a good way to fold fitted sheets and keep all those
> > %$@$#%@#$%@#$ elastic'ed edges under control, I'd be interested in
> > hearing about it.
>
> Brief footnote: I know about the trick of inverting two adjacent corners
> and tucking them into their neighbors.. that usually leaves me with
> something that still has too much elastic everyplace pulling the straight
> edges into curves and refusing to allow it to lie flat as I try to fold
> over the ends...  Ah, the troubles of modern life..:o)
>
Bernie,
        The way I learned it, you do that trick again after doing what
you described above. That is, you take one of those pairs of
a-corner-tucked-into-a corner, invert IT and stick it in the other
pair. If you complete that fold, you get a rectangle with extra
skinny rectangles of  four layers of cloth (the part that goes around
the edges of your mattress) on two adjacent sides. All the elastic
should be in one of them, hopefully the short one.

        Then you can sort of rabbit-ear the corner where the two thin
rectangles meet, fold those ugly skinny rectangles to the inside, and
come up with something that looks almost as neat as a regular sheet
folded up.

Yours,

Kurt Reimer
gkr@voicenet.com
Voicenet Systems Administration





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:04:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

Bernie-
    Hold the sheet by two short side corners (on a ladder perhaps) . Invert
the two bottom corners and tuck them into the corresponding top corners. If
you hold the result by the corners that actually sit at the corner of the
bed, NOT the elastic corners, you will have a nicely doubled sheet with a
doubled flap neatly hanging in an inverted "U" shape. Keep this neat and
fold in quarters or any other form that fits neatly in your laundry basket.
Take to your ironing board, unfold, iron, refold, and store in your
immaculately organized linen closet. (This last hint courtesy of M. Stewart)
Scott





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:27:35 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: Kasahara Books

David Lister wrote:

>If anyone has any information on these matters, or can at least point me to
>the source of the rumours, (were they mentioned on Origami-L?) I am most
>anxious to her from him or her. I shall be most grateful for any information
>at all.
>
>David Lister.

Dear David.

In May this year I got a letter from
Jong le Nara Publication co. ltd. Seoul, Korea,
asking me to sign the approval form
permitting them to publish two of my models
"Shy young Rabbit" and "Cube Fruit"
The rabbit you can find on my web-site
www.thok.dk\kasahara.html
the Cube-fruit is the BOS Booklet 13
"Thirteen Thoki Yenn Orikata"
The new book from Jongie Nara by Kasahara is titled:
"Wonderful Origami (so-called)" - this probably means working title.

The address of the Publisher is:

 JONGIE NARA
6F, Dong Won Bldg.
41-4, Myong Roun-Dong, Jongro-ku,
Seoul, Korea
Tel: (882)766-5455, Fax:  (882)763-7260

I faxed the approval on 20. May 1999 ( Le Jour de St. Pli.)
and I am awaiting my copy free of charge.
The price is given as Yen 5.000.

Thoki Yenn
thok@thok.dk





From: "elsje van der ploeg, elst nl" <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:33:38 +0200
Subject: [No] origami cats but CATS cats

Hello to the lovely list,

Here is some Pepi-talk.
Some weeks ago I asked about cats.
Out of the reactions came the idea of a cats tour.
I am so proud to present to you
a tour from America to England to Denmark to Holland.
Have a look at:
http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/cats_tour.html

People call it a web-ring
but that sounds so official
I call it a cats fantasy tour.
Elsje is going of the list for some weeks
(you know why in this time of the year)
In the mean time you can prepaire you homepage
if you want your cats to be in the tour.
E-mail me.
It can be origami-cats because
cats are very tolerant in this tour.
And it is just for making fun.

xxxxxxx Pepi
pepi@betuwe.net
http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:38:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

Bernie Cosell wrote:
> Brief footnote: I know about the trick of inverting two adjacent corners
> and tucking them into their neighbors.. that usually leaves me with
> something that still has too much elastic everyplace pulling the straight
> edges into curves and refusing to allow it to lie flat as I try to fold
> over the ends...  Ah, the troubles of modern life..:o)

The best solution, in my not so humble opinion ;-), is to simply take the
sheets off of the bed, wash and dry them, and put them back onto the bed. In
the minimal amount of time between the drying and the putting-back-on, carry
them as jumbled as you want!

-D'gou





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:42:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

While it may be true that a larger percentage of origami models are created
by men, it is obvious from this thread that folding from ALL medium is not
within their realm of understanding!!!!!  : - )

Hats off to all of you who get all four corners tucked in together .........
I've been trying to teach this trick to my husband for 5 years!!!!!!!  Maybe
I'll wite a book -------- do you think I can get Dover to publish it?

and .......... I'm not even going near that "bleach" story!!!!!  : - )

MaryAnn

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

>Bernie Cosell wrote:
>> Brief footnote: I know about the trick of inverting two adjacent corners
>> and tucking them into their neighbors.. that usually leaves me with
>> something that still has too much elastic everyplace pulling the straight
>> edges into curves and refusing to allow it to lie flat as I try to fold
>> over the ends...  Ah, the troubles of modern life..:o)
>
>The best solution, in my not so humble opinion ;-), is to simply take the
>sheets off of the bed, wash and dry them, and put them back onto the bed.
In
>the minimal amount of time between the drying and the putting-back-on,
carry
>them as jumbled as you want!
>
>-D'gou





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:52:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Montroll's new book

That's really a Montroll model?  But he has crimps like Brill's models do!
Is he changing his style or has it mostly been that way and I haven't
noticed?

David





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:53:03 -0500
Subject: Origami Sighting

Since I'm still on break and lounging around I checked out Con Air out of
the library.  In the beginning Nicholas Cage folds a flapping crane while
in prison.  It was Eric Kenneway's Origami book that he used.  Is a
flapping crane in that book?

David





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:31:46 -0400 (
Subject: Re: NO: Re: Tradition

In a message dated 7/13/99 10:20:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU writes:

> Scott Cramer wrote:
>
>  > P.S. On a semantically related note (Attn.: J. Wu) - "I am" is the
> shortest
>  > sentence in the English language. "I do" is the longest
>
>
>  You can do better - how about "No"?

O!

!

?

Kenneth Kawamura  ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:03:20 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

As far as folding laundry, I don't think it is demeaning to Origamiists,
because after all it is said that this folding stuff started with pleating of
material for garments before there was paper and there must be lots of tricks
of the trade in this hellish activity. Maybe we can be more creative with it,
after all.  This is all I will have to say on this subject.  Aren't you glad.
 If you know any tricks, please share them.  Dorigami





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:04:41 +0200
Subject: correction of a backslash

Dear longsuffering friends

I ask you to forgive me - mea very much culpa.

In my Answer to David Lister's  mailing
subject:  Re Kasahara books
I did a serious mistake
I gave the adr of "Shy young Rabbit"
with a back slash between dk and kasahara
the correct adr. is
www.thok.dk/kasahara.html

I tried to get my Dreamweaver to accept a file
with a back slash infront of the file name
but nothing doing.

I excuse to all you who got an error message
but you can get to the "Shy young Rabbit"
by going to the Origami Cloud on
www.thok.dk/origami.html

Thoki Yenn





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:09:51 +0200
Subject: corredted Re: kasahara books

THIS IS THE CORRECTED VERSION

if possible strike the old one from your register
================================

David Lister wrote:

>If anyone has any information on these matters, or can at least point me to
>the source of the rumours, (were they mentioned on Origami-L?) I am most
>anxious to her from him or her. I shall be most grateful for any information
>at all.
>
>David Lister.

Dear David.

In May this year I got a letter from
Jong le Nara Publication co. ltd. Seoul, Korea,
asking me to sign the approval form
permitting them to publish two of my models
"Shy young Rabbit" and "Cube Fruit"
The rabbit you can find on my web-site
www.thok.dk/kasahara.html
the Cube-fruit is the BOS Booklet 13
"Thirteen Thoki Yenn Orikata"
The new book from Jongie Nara by Kasahara is titled:
"Wonderful Origami (so-called)" - this probably means working title.

The address of the Publisher is:

JONGIE NARA
6F, Dong Won Bldg.
41-4, Myong Roun-Dong, Jongro-ku,
Seoul, Korea
Tel: (882)766-5455, Fax:  (882)763-7260

I faxed the approval on 20. May 1999 ( Le Jour de St. Pli.)
and I am awaiting my copy free of charge.
The price is given as Yen 5.000.

Thoki Yenn
thok@thok.dk





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:36:58 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Toshie Takahama RIP

Dear NIck

If you are talking about the unit that Takaham made famous
in the TAKAHAMA JUVEL,  it was in fact made by Sonobe.
I am sure that David Lister can tell you more about the Sonobe unit
and its connection with Takahama.

It is is indeed sad that we all must go one day.
Bodies do not lasy forever

Many long years ago I was corresponding with Toshie Takahama
but I only talk to her on the phone, when I visited Japan in 1994
She wrote a very nice profile of me in the NOA Magazine No. 105

Her books will live in the libraries of many friends.

Thoki Yenn





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:15:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Laundry

Them's fightin' words Donna . . .

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DonnaJowal@AOL.COM [mailto:DonnaJowal@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 11:14 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Laundry
>
>
> You are all wrong.  The best way to fold the laundry is to
> get your husband
> to do itl
>
> Donna





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:29:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>

> Someone said that ungulates don't do math, but on the Discworld, the best
> mathematicians are the camels.
>

Alright, I'm game (not big, but game nonetheless) what is the Discworld? All
I can think of is the Larry Niven "Ringworld" series, that I quickly read
back in (could it be?) the seventies. At least it seems like about twenty or
so years again. All I can picture is some Far Side cartoon. All the best - c





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:33:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and

At 11:29 99/07/14 -0700, you wrote:
>Alright, I'm game (not big, but game nonetheless) what is the Discworld? All
>I can think of is the Larry Niven "Ringworld" series, that I quickly read
>back in (could it be?) the seventies. At least it seems like about twenty or
>so years again. All I can picture is some Far Side cartoon. All the best - c

Think fantasy, not science fiction. And think humour. Here's a descriptive
blurb from a company that makes figurines of Discworld characters:

  The Discworld, for the uninitiated, travels through space on the back of
  four elephants which themselves stand on the shell of Great A'Tuin, the sky
  turtle. It's a world in which the librarian at Unseen University is an
  orangutan (so much better at getting around the shelves), where dogs go
  "woof-bloody-woof" and where 'The Luggage', a loyal but psychopathic wooden
  chest, eats people and magically cleans clothes. And it is the backdrop for
  some of the most inventive comic novels ever written.
                                            <http://www.clarecraft.com>
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:38:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and

I forgot to add the L-Space Web which is all about Pratchett and his works:
<http://www.ie.lspace.org/index.html>.

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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:59:49 -0700
Subject: NO:  laundry--bastardized origami, or cultural tradition

On 14 Jul 99, at 14:13, DonnaJowal@AOL.COM wrote:

> You are all wrong.  The best way to fold the laundry is to get your
husband
> to do itl

To which, Bernie Cosell responded:

> And as always, the unattached
>are on their own...

As being among the unattached, and therefore of biased opinion upon the
subject, I do believe that this thread of argle-bargle is beginning to get
me down. Folding laundry is not a light-hearted pursuit such as origami
(yes, I know: "we are all very serious about origami--long live the
revolution, and all that") but origami was not a behavioral pursuit into
which we were all entrained by some parent or family member who used MIND
CONTROL to make us obey their cultural tradition. Once the scales fell from
my eyes, and I found myself cooking for one, I found that the deeply rooted
onus of guilt at not wanting fold laundry dissipated into the aether like a
bunny fart on a windy day. Oh, sure, when company comes over, I tell them
"don't mind the mess--I was just folding laundry". It's a cheap easy lie to
cover my alternative laundering life-style, and yes--if I end up married
someday, I might even choose on my own to start folding laundry again. That
will not change the fact, however, that folding underwear is a chore that
really need not be done.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:04:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and
Math)

> I forgot to add the L-Space Web which is all about Pratchett and his
works:
> <http://www.ie.lspace.org/index.html>.
>

Thanks!!--sounds fun. Probably sacreligious to mention that I've not read
any fantasy/sf for quite some time (I have been a Philip K Dick fan for a
while, though--does that count?). I'll check out the site and books today,
sounds nifty!! All the best-c





From: Scott Reynolds <reynols@POBOX.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:27:17 -0600
Subject: Re: Pure, functional Origami out of corrugated cardboard

When I was a kid, I used to make airplanes out of cardboard box's. They had
wingspans of 1 to 3 feet flew quite well.

Scott

On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, marty wrote:

> Please visit  <<http://boxstar.com/platform.html>> to see what I claim to be
[...]
>
> While you are at the BoxStar site - you can see some award winning cardboard
> furniture, a cardboard boat and a cardboard solar cooker -- with the URL's
> to get more information on these. Go to
> <<http://boxstar.com/cardboardonweb.htm>>





From: DonnaJowal@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:13:41 -0400 (
Subject: Laundry

You are all wrong.  The best way to fold the laundry is to get your husband
to do itl

Donna





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:24:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Laundry

On 14 Jul 99, at 14:13, DonnaJowal@AOL.COM wrote:

> You are all wrong.  The best way to fold the laundry is to get your husband
> to do itl

Well, that might work for folk of a particular chromosomal persuasion,
but...  I guess the alternate to that is that those "other half" of us
could get our wives to do it, which (after iteration and indirection)
would end up leaving us in the state we're mostly in anyway [which is
that the damn stuff doesn't get folded].  And as always, the unattached
are on their own...

Probably the overall "best" way is probably to tell the folk at the
laundry/cleaners "put the shirts on hangers, fold the rest, and I'll be
back to pick it up tomorrow.", and then as with purchasing sausage at a
butcher, you leave the details to being a professional secret...

  /Bernie\

--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:24:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

Since Kami is paper (I think) then is the art of folding laundry etc
actually Origami or should it be Ori-(clothing/laundry in Japanese)?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie Cosell [mailto:bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:15 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry
>
>
> On 14 Jul 99, at 16:46, Terrence Rioux wrote:
>
> > The Bible of clothing origami has to be the US Navy
> Bluejacket's Manual.
> > They have a technique for folding >>every<< item of clothing in a
> > sailor's seabag! Of course, that was years ago, before I
> turned into a
> > geezer.
>
> I bet that sailors never had to deal with fitted sheets..:o)  /bernie\
> --
> Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
> mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
>     -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Kurt Reimer <gkr@VOICENET.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:39:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Laundry

>
> Probably the overall "best" way is probably to tell the folk at the
> laundry/cleaners "put the shirts on hangers, fold the rest, and I'll be
> back to pick it up tomorrow.", and then as with purchasing sausage at a
> butcher, you leave the details to being a professional secret...
>
> Bernie
>
        The problem with laundry professional secrecy is that
eventually it all comes out in the wash..

Yours,

Kurt Reimer
gkr@voicenet.com
Voicenet Systems Administration





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:24:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Geezerhood

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>

> Can the list members offer any suggestions for a cut-off (or perhaps
cut-in)
> age for geezerhood? It seems somewhat nebulous, and while I'm not anxious
to
> claim membership, I'd like to know where I stand (or sit and rock).
> Thanks,
> Scott

Good rule of thumb: you are whatever you answer to. All the best - c





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:46:47 -0700
Subject: No MIME

WOW!

This is one of the best directions ever!  I had no idea that listservs could
be set to screen Mime!

Will it screen out jugglers and balloon animals too?  <EG>

But is this a setting to screen MIME from the sender's messages, or from
what I receive?

The listserv response to my request was that the setting was already in
place.. and I receive the MIME displays in my daily digests.

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com

<<Date:    Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:57:28 -0400
From:    Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Subject: Re: MIME JUNK!

Julia-
    Send an e-mail to the  L-Soft list server at MITVMA...
E-mail Address(es):
  LISTSERV@mitvma.mit.edu
saying SET ORIGAMI NOMIME
    Do not put any subject in the subject line.
    This should solve your problem, and the problems everyone else is having
with your problem.
Scott>>





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:50:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Montroll's new book (Howling Coyote)

<<From:    Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: Montroll's new book
<stuff deleted>
Oh, another picture of the coyote is on
http://home.t-online.de/home/skirsch/JMontroll-Coyote.html.>>

But where's the neckerchief/bandana?

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:51:57 -0700
Subject: Re: No MIME

At 15:46 99/07/14 -0700, you wrote:
>This is one of the best directions ever!  I had no idea that listservs could
>be set to screen Mime!
>
>But is this a setting to screen MIME from the sender's messages, or from
>what I receive?
>
>The listserv response to my request was that the setting was already in
>place.. and I receive the MIME displays in my daily digests.

I'm not sure that this setting has any effect, or where it works (sender or
receiver). According to the documentation, it is only for digests, and
NOMIME will make it so that digests are not stored as MIME (one attachment
per message). I'll see what we can do about screening MIME from all list mail.

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From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:05:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and

Here's a story for you Pratchett fans out there.  A friend of mine once
went to a Terry Pratchett sighning.  As a joke my friend Steve brought the
entire series in hardcover with him and asked him to sign all of them.
Terry Pratchett did!  And as you loyal fans know there is twenty or more
books in the series.  For me I'll stick to Douglas Adams.
more Fantasy/SF: I just finished A Game of Thrones yesterday, and boy
howdie was it awesome!  It can't match up to the Wheel of Time though, but
I can't wait to read A Clash of Kings!  If anyone has read it, is it as
good as the first?

David
Christopher Holt wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 11:38 AM
>Subject: Re: [NO] Terry Pratchett (was Re: Origami and Laundry and Women and
>Math)
>
>
>> I forgot to add the L-Space Web which is all about Pratchett and his
>works:
>> <http://www.ie.lspace.org/index.html>.
>>
>
>
>Thanks!!--sounds fun. Probably sacreligious to mention that I've not read
>any fantasy/sf for quite some time (I have been a Philip K Dick fan for a
>while, though--does that count?). I'll check out the site and books today,
>sounds nifty!! All the best-c





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:24:54 -0400
Subject: Patterned paper and modulars

I picked up some fun, 5 cm, patterned papers at the OUSA convention
and have been having fun using them to make modular rings & wreaths
& stars. Tried the ones in the '98 and '99 OUSA annuals, and I need to
get Mette's _Rings_ book. The models in Beynon's BOS books are too
complicated---they don't show the pattern off well enough. And I
remembered this morning that there are some modular rings worth
trying in _Russian Origami_.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

Lisa (thinking Christmas tree decorations already)
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:42:48 -0400
Subject: Origami on the Appalachian trail/blanket folding

Even on a hiking trip, origami lurks.

 I just spent 5 lovely days walking with husband and friends in the White
Mountains in New Hampshire and taking advantage of the huts run by the
Appalachian Mountain Club. The AMC huts put up 20+ hikers a night and serve
breakfast and dinner. You sleep in bunks (sometimes 4 high--if you have to
get up in the night or have stiff knees, choose the lowermost bunk!).
Mattress, pillow, and blankets provided. Every evening, the hut crew puts
on a skit to tell you the sacred rules of the hut: 1) if you pack it in,
pack it out yourself,  2) no open flames, 3) tip the crew (who amply
deserve it) and 4) observe the quiet hours (9:30pm-6:30am) and, 5) fold
your blankets.

 The blanket-folding directions are succinct:
"Once lengthwise, twice widthwise."

A lot of people seemed to be confused by the "twice widthwise," though. (I
told one to fold it at the waist, and then again at the waist, which seemed
to help.)

Karen
Karen Reeds <reeds@openix.com>





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:44:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

No no no.....

Martha would *never* use fitted sheets!

She would insist of folding hospital corners!

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com

 <<Date:    Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:04:53 -0400
From:    Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

Bernie-
    Hold the sheet by two short side corners (on a ladder perhaps) . Invert
the two bottom corners and tuck them into the corresponding top corners. If
you hold the result by the corners that actually sit at the corner of the
bed, NOT the elastic corners, you will have a nicely doubled sheet with a
doubled flap neatly hanging in an inverted "U" shape. Keep this neat and
fold in quarters or any other form that fits neatly in your laundry basket.
Take to your ironing board, unfold, iron, refold, and store in your
immaculately organized linen closet. (This last hint courtesy of M. Stewart)
Scott>>





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:46:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

The Bible of clothing origami has to be the US Navy Bluejacket's Manual.
They have a technique for folding >>every<< item of clothing in a
sailor's seabag! Of course, that was years ago, before I turned into a
geezer.

Creakingly yours,

Terry Rioux





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:05:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Geezerhood

Can the list members offer any suggestions for a cut-off (or perhaps cut-in)
age for geezerhood? It seems somewhat nebulous, and while I'm not anxious to
claim membership, I'd like to know where I stand (or sit and rock).
Thanks,
Scott





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:08:51 -0400 (
Subject: Laundry

European nuns folded their linen headdresses. No doubt they were washed at
one time or another. May I call on our historian par excellence, David
Lister, to give us  details?

Florence.





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:12:38 -0400 (
Subject: NO Re: Geezerhood

Anyone ten years younger than you is young. Anyone ten years older than you
is old.

Best from Florence.





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:14:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

On 14 Jul 99, at 16:46, Terrence Rioux wrote:

> The Bible of clothing origami has to be the US Navy Bluejacket's Manual.
> They have a technique for folding >>every<< item of clothing in a
> sailor's seabag! Of course, that was years ago, before I turned into a
> geezer.

I bet that sailors never had to deal with fitted sheets..:o)  /bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:31:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

> <So Origami and Landry folding are not two opposite things>
>
> Perhaps not, but those crimp folds can get mighty irritating.
>
>
> Merida

Putting them in (origami), or taking them out (laundry)? All the best - c





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:16:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

At 10:20 AM 99-07-14 -0400, you wrote:
>On 13 Jul 99, at 21:09, DORIGAMI@AOL.COM wrote:
>
>> ... Someone once taught me  a good way to fold a sheet though.  If
>> anybody wants to know I will verbalize the directions.
>
>If you know a good way to fold fitted sheets and keep all those
>%$@$#%@#$%@#$ elastic'ed edges under control, I'd be interested in
>hearing about it.
>
>  /Bernie\

Judith Fryer sent me these instructions way back in March of '97:

Place your left and right index fingers into adjacent corners of the sheet
(it will look like little tents on your fingers, and the rest of the sheet
will hang between your hands).  Then place the tips of your index fingers
together and turn one of the corners inside-out over the other.  Now do
this in the other direction, so you have all four corners nested inside one
another.  To finish, just fold the top flaps down and the side flaps over;
fold the piece in half, and it's ready for the linen closet.

It's amazing what you can learn from this list!

                Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: good man <jess2800@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:29:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Patterned paper and modulars

Am interested in your reference to modular rings in Russian Origami.
Could you be more specific?  thanks you in advance.

                               J.





From: good man <jess2800@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:42:08 -0400
Subject: Origami List

I don't know about you, but it would make it a lot easier for me if mail
directly related to Origami were marked [Yes] rather than the obverse
[No] which seems rather difficult to define. I could then read the [Yes]
messages and "Clean up" all the rest in one fell swoop.

What do you think?

                                    J.





From: lbmitchell <lbmitchell@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:58:14 -0400
Subject: Origami & Laundry

As a longtime country music fan I must suggest to Donna Jowal & her hubby that
     they check out a great country oldie. It was written by the late Steve
     Goodman & made a hit by David Allan Coe, called "You Never Even Called Me
     By My Name".It explores every c
 untry music cliche lyric, & just to get you interested, it begins,
"I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison.....".

By the way, the shy rabbit on Thoki Yenn's web page is really cute.

Leslie





From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:11:02 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

<So Origami and Landry folding are not two opposite things>

Perhaps not, but those crimp folds can get mighty irritating.

Merida





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:19:53 +0200
Subject: Re: FAQs

DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

> I am grateful to Matthias Gutfeldt for reminding me of FAQ site maintained by
> Maarten van Gelder's Origami Group. I don't know how Maarten feels about it,
> but it might  be possible for it to be brought into a closer association with
> Origami-L.

Well, in the ADMIN message you get twice a month there is a paragraph
about the archives and also the FAQ is mentioned.
I've shifted that paragraph to the top of the message.
I you all read it ...

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:33:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Laundry

Donna you sead:
>>You are all wrong.  The best way to fold the laundry is to get your
husband
>>to do itl
>

BINGO!! My wonderful sweetheart does all the laundry, although it was years
until I figured out why the towels got big holes in them!!
This weekend I had to pack our kid for camp, the large towels were a problem
so I folded them like a flag or a "football" they stayed tucked and were
easy to pack.
hobbit





From: Pete <pmiller@NICOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:07:49 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention pictures

I am impressed with the models by Eric Joisel.  Does he have any books?  I
saw the diagram of the rooster on Joseph Wu's page and I was wondering if
there is any publication I can purchase which would have the diagrams for
it.  My parents have a restaurant called the Red Rooster and they collect
roosters.  I'd love to be able to fold one for them.  I have a large roll of
red Fadeless paper which would work great.





From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:49:11 +0000
Subject: Picture of Winson Chan's Hacky Sack modular...

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knew of a picture of Winson
Chan's Hacky Sack on the Web. I'm making the units and
I'm having problems with the curvature of the model,
I'm wondering if I'm doing it wrong.

Thanks,

Carmine

===
-------
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carmine_dichiara@yahoo.com
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec
_________________________________________________________
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From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:19:55 -0400 (
Subject: Toshie Takahama

I should like to pay a very personal tribute to Mrs. Toshie Takahama, who
died, in the fullness of time, on 7th July.

Mrs Takahama is said to have been aged 91, but I have a note that she was
born in Tokyo in 1910, which would make her age more like 89. She was born
into a wealthy family and enjoyed the highest possible education. On leaving
university she married a businessman and bore him three sons and a daughter.

Sadly, her husband died of pneumonia in 1943 at the height of the Seond World
War, leaving her to bring up her children and also care for her aging parents
alone. But never was any of this adversity ever reflected in Mrs. Takahama's
charming and friendly nature.

It is my misforturne that I was never able to meet her. She came to England,
but I was unable to go up to London to the meeting held for her. However, I
managed to speak to her by telephone and I treasure the memory. She was
hoping to come to England on another occasion and I fully intended to go up
to meet her. But sadly, her visit had to be cancelled becuse of her
ill-health and the opportunity never came again.

For a time we corresponded about historical aspects of Japanese paperfolding
and she clarified many points that were then obscure for me, particularly
about noshi and noshi tsutsumi. She went out of her way to find experts on
the history of Japanese paperfolding. In an act of extraordinary kindness she
sent me a set of betrothal tsutsumi which had been bought for her daughter's
betrothal. It remains a cherished item in my collection of Japanese origami.

I always admired Toshie's exquisite artistic taste, which is abundanly
evident in the many books she wrote, especially the three volumes of
"Creative Life with Origami". But it is also shown on a miniature scale in
the beautiful little greetings cards which she sent out in abundance to her
many friends. I have many of them and they would themselves make up a notable
exhibition of the art of the miniature.

Perhaps her greatest artistic achievement was her series of Japanese paper
dolls, which which were made in one of the great Japanese paper traditions.
They were not strictly origami, becuse they used multiple papers which were
cut and shaped to make the magnificent robes and headdresses of the dolls. A
collection of them was put together in the form of a large calendar a copy of
which she sent me. That again is a treasure of great value. Toshie had a way
of folding and shaping paper that made her dolls not only spendid but also
alive with movement.

Toshie spoke perfect English and she spent some time in English-language
broadcasting. When she came to New York at the time of the New York World
Fair in 1965 in a group led by Toyoaki Kawai, she met Lillian Oppenheimer.
Toshie remained dutifully silent as befitted a junior female member of the
party, but she observed and understood. When she returned to Japan, she
formed an origami group based on the western idea of sharing. It later became
known as the Sosaku Origami Group '67. This group was one of the factors
which led to the transformation of Japanese Origami from one of a formal
master and pupil relationship to one where members share their Origami as
equals as we do in the West. Mrs Takahama became a frequent correspondent
with folders in th West and she sent many contributions on many fascinating
aspects of Japanese Origami which were printed in The Origamian. When Lillian
Oppenheimer and Alice Gray paid their visit to Japan together, Toshie acted
as their guide fro ten days, going to great lengths to make their visit an
enjoyable one.

One of her creations is known affectionately as "Toshie's Jewel". But it was
she herself who was the real jewel. It is as a glittering jewel that she will
remain in our hearts for ever.

David Lister.





From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:00:40 -0800
Subject: Re: Eric Joisel diagrams (was Re: OUSA Convention pictures)

As Joisel's strong wet folding taste I really doubt red Fadeless
Fadeless would work. It's just my guess since I have never seen
the diagram. Good luck!

Pete wrote:
>
> I am impressed with the models by Eric Joisel.  Does he have
any books? Joisel I
> saw the diagram of the rooster on Joseph Wu's page and I was
wondering if
> there is any publication I can purchase which would have the
diagrams for
> it.  My parents have a restaurant called the Red Rooster and
they collect
> roosters.  I'd love to be able to fold one for them.  I have
a large roll of
> red Fadeless paper which would work great.

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:35:14 +0100
Subject: sonic origami?

The new album by Uriah Heep (an ageing Brit rock band whom I last saw in
1972!) is called "Sonic Origami". I haven't seen the cover, but fear the
worst!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:42:07 -0400
Subject: Russian Origami [Re: Patterned paper and modulars]

J. asked:
>Am interested in your reference to modular rings in Russian Origami.
>Could you be more specific?  thanks you in advance.

Russian Origami  by Sergei Afonkin, Tom Hull
List Price: $15.95      c.  1998
St. Martin's Press; ISBN: 0312169930

I don't have the book here, so I can't be more specific about whose rings,
but I remember them as having easy to fold modules and being easy to put
together.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:11:25 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: Geezerhood

Dear fellow Geezers

Kalmon started to call me an old Geezer
when he started working on our homepage www.thok.dk
after my 80 years birthday in January this year.

I took it as a loving endearing term and honourary title.
I am proud that I have lived long enough to reach geezerhood.

>> Can the list members offer any suggestions for a cut-off
>>(or perhaps >cut-in) age for geezerhood?

Greetings from

Thoki Yenn

and the Great and Glorious Kalmon van Balticum
