




From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:23:40 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>

> It seems to me that tradition serves a number of purposes and to define it
we
> need to determine what the purpose was.

As I contended, tradition is anything you do that you don't remember the
reason for. I don't remember when I started to differentiate between 'true'
origami, and 'cut' origami, or origami that was not from a square. For me,
then, traditional origami has been that false construct of the square,
unchanged except by "unflattening " the paper (from Clare Chamberlain's post
a couple of days back--I agree with Matthias--a great term!!!). Until
recently, I've considered that traditional in your sense:

>Sometimes traditions can provide people
> with a structure to work with. This can be comforting...

Of course these days traditional, for me, is incorporating origami designs
and concepts into other things. It often doesn't involve paper at all. I
found that while much could be said in the medium as I had defined it,
structure is only of comfort for so long to some people before they have to
randomize their brain again. Cerebral degaussing, I guess.

>By this time, though, the art form is probably old
> enough to support several 'traditions'. No?

As well as several different "purisms". Might be fun to explore just where
origami might overlap gradually into other arts/disciplines. Since taxonomy
and gender seem to be on the back burner for now, and origami and food
didn't seem to pique a heck of a lot of interest, what other arenas might we
look for the 'origamic paradigm' in?





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:17:31 -0700
Subject: Expanding origamic traditions

Chris Holt said:
> As well as several different "purisms". Might be fun to explore just where
> origami might overlap gradually into other arts/disciplines. Since taxonomy
> and gender seem to be on the back burner for now, and origami and food
> didn't seem to pique a heck of a lot of interest, what other arenas might we
> look for the 'origamic paradigm' in?

Well, architecture is already such an area. And Arlene Anderson recently posted
about origami in quilt design... although in the larger definition of 'textile'
origami is a textile art... The list has covered the ceramic 'paper', so that's
ceramic... And there are any number of metal examples (including your work,
Chris). Then there's that molecular origami theory... math, physics (crumpling),
perhaps we need to explore some less tangible areas.





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:20:44 -0400
Subject: Re: NO: Attachments and other List problems [LONG]

On 12 Jul 99, at 14:25, DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

> Joseph Wu  wrote earlier today:
>
> << This is just the few multipart MIME encoded messages that some people have
>  been having problems with.  >>
>
> My problem with MIME messages is that I can find no way to decode them. I
> have looked in the Help files and in books, but MIME seems to be a State
> Secret. What program is appropriate to decipher it?

I don't think your question is answerable as posed, and indeed even with
an 'NO' tag this is truly the wrong forum to be asking questions of that
kind...  But some rambles:

The simple answer is "your mail client should".  If your mail client
doesn't handle MIME sections [so that their actual nature is invisible
and what you see is that "mymodel.jpeg" is included in the message], your
mail client is fairly deficient.

As a smidgeon of background, MIME is an internet standard for
encapsulating "sections" within an email message and allowing those
sections to have arbitrary "Content-Types" [of which "plain text", the
one we all know and love, is just one].  The syntax specifications for
MIME encoding are at least 5 years old [RFC 1521], and so this is not
exactly new technology or leading edge trickiness.

As for 'state secret', well, not exactly.. the specs for MIME are all
perfectly public and trivial to obtain [RFCs 2045, 2046, 2047, 2048, &
2049 give the current state of the spec].  The problem here is that it is
like reading an FCC spec for the allowed modulation of a TV signal to
figure out why you're getting a lousy picture: those specs are all
designed for _implementers_.

The idea is that just as with the magic that makes email to
"origami@mitvma.mit.edu" actually get routed to right place, this should
all be magic hidden by the mail clients.  For most windows mail clients,
you can 'attach' something just by dragging it onto the mail composition
pane and your mail client ought to handle all the details of the encoding
and headers and such to make the thing transmittable.  And similarly:
properly implemented mail clients at the receiving end will NOT show you
the details of how the file was encoded and how the attachment took
place, but just tell you, in one way or another, that "mymodel.jpeg was
attached to this message".

The point is that the answer to your question lies, where it truly always
did, actually, with the tech support folk who help you with your computer
system.  If you are seeing "MIME"ness at all, then something is awry with
your mail client, and you either need to have a serious tech-support
session with whoever set you up with that client, or you need to
change to a mail client that is less incapable.

For example, the 'HELP' file for my mail client, says this:

> MIME is an Internet standard for the transmission of data of any type via
> electronic mail. It defines the way messages should be formatted and
> constructed and has provision for indicating the type and nature of the
> contents of a message, and for preserving international character set
> information. In most cases, a MIME message can be read correctly on any
> kind of system which has a MIME-compliant mail program.
>
> MIME provides direct support for graphic images in GIF and JPEG format,
> Video images in MPEG format, and Audio data as well. It also has a Digest
> format for sending multiple mail messages at once (Pegasus Mail displays
> MIME digests in a manner very similar to a folder).
>
> Pegasus Mail will automatically handle incoming MIME messages without any
> intervention from you. The decision over whether it should generate
> outgoing messages in MIME format is yours -- to enable MIME features,
> click the control in the Special view of the message editor. Once checked,
> the setting will be remembered for all subsequent messages. The only
> reason you would not use MIME formatting for Internet mail would be if you
> knew your correspondent did not have access to a MIME-compliant system.
>
> MIME is described in the Internet Standards Document RFC1521.

Not mysterious, easy to find [just searched for "MIME"] and pretty clear
in both what it is and how the client handles it...  If your mail client
doesn't show up something useful when you search on 'MIME', then either
your client has a lousy HELP file or else your client is really crippled,
and in either case you'd do well to consider moving to a better one [lord
only knows there are LOTS of mail clients to choose among!]

> I also find that some downloads have a Windows flag symbol against them in
> Windows Explorer. They also defeat me. Can anyone please give me some clues?

Again, this is an odd question to ask on an origami forum --- have you
tried asking in some proper windows tech-support arena?  In the spirit of
teaching a person to fish, two email forums I've found useful are

  WIN98-L@peach.ease.lsoft.com
  iwin@audettemedia.com

[and as you already know from my last "teach a person to fish" essay, the
right way to find out more about either of these lists is to try
     "<LIST>-request@<LISTHOST>"

There are also a couple of online forums for windows help, but I don't
know much about them [but I have a couple bookmarked]:

http://www.experts-exchange.com/
http://www.nowonder.com/
http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/fixit_help/askex_help.html

You also should get into the habit of giving folk a hint about what
system you're running when you ask system questions [I assume not Win3.1
because you said "explorer" and not "file manager", but can't tell among
win95, win95a, win95b, win98, win98Se, NT4, and in your inquiry about
MIME you neglected to say which of the couple of dozen windows mail
clients you're using]

In this case, my best guess [but you'd do well to get in touch with a
real tech support person who can help you with it] is that it is a file
type [=extension] with which you don't have any applications associated,
but I just took a quick trip around here-and-there on my system [Win98]
and I couldn't find any files with the windows-flag-symbol, so I can't
verify that...  This would mean that if you double-clicked on it, you'd
get the "open with" dialogue box popping up...  but if it was a real
"type", that might also mean that you don't have the right help-
applicaiton for dealing with it [e.g., you get a real audio clip and you
don't have a realaudio player installed].

> I'm aware of the problem with viruses, but you can't go through life refusing
> to open ANY attachment. You can only use your discretion and an anti-virus
> program and live in faith and hope

No, actually, it is less hit-and-miss than that.  There's a distinction
between "program" and "data".  And all you need to learn is "program bad,
data OK" and how to tell the difference.  Basically, there are only a
handful of file types that can bag you: obviously raw executables.  There
are some others: ActiveX controls, word documents, excel spreadsheets and
Access databases [on these last, I do *NOT* know whether the competing
'suites' to MS office have the same "too much power, too little security"
problems that do the MS Office ones, and so I would be careful with
_anything_ that is opened by one of my office-suite applications].

But beyond that, almost every other file type is *data* and so is pretty
much safe territory [jpeg images, realaudio clips, .wav files, .zip files
but *DONT* tell it to automatically run the 'install', of course!!, etc,
etc].

So if you're just REAL careful about the dangerous file types, you can
mostly mess with those others with impugnity...  Obviously, better safe
than sorry, but with a little bit of knowledge you can navigate these
waters fairly safely.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:59:28 +0200
Subject: Re: FAQ + MIME Decoders

Rosalinda Sanchez wrote:
> You got the wrong impression that I was "complaining."  I just wanted to let
> it be known that to some people a top ten list might be of interest.
<snip>
> I could
> go on and say that you are complaining about me complaining about David
> Lister complaining, but that would be a bit ridiculous and pointless.  I

Ohoho, you got the wrong impression altogether! I'd like to make it
clear that I did not complain about your complaining about David Lister
complaining about David asking for top ten folds ...is anybody still
with me? No? OK, let's forget it... <sigh>.

> Back to topic... a FAQ that would be updated on a somewhat regular basis
> would be a great help to beginners and maybe even some more advanced folders
> alike and if you ever get around to doing it, alot of people will sure be
> thankful!!
Yikes. We're agreeing on something. Someone please complain about the
FAQ!

Matthias 'not complaining?' Gutfeldt





From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:07:52 -0400 (
Subject: Montroll's New Book

Fellow folders,
  I attended the '99 origami USA convention, but unfortunately I did not get
a ticket for Montroll's animals class.  Were the models taught in this class
from his upcoming book? And When is his new book supposed to be out??  I
can't wait to get a copy of it!!
              Thanks,
                Ian McRobbie





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:33:16 +0200
Subject: Re: MIME JUNK!

Douglas,
At 18.32 10/7/1999 CDT, you wrote:
>Julia, I wonder if you could by any chance stop sending multipart messages.
>I think this mailing list is for plain text, not strange things we cannot
>read.

Looks like another case of "bad setting", I see the "strange things" as an
attachment. Julia, you should set your mail program to "plain text"
somewhere in the Options.....

(It is not just THIS mailing list for plain text..... ALL e-mail messages
must be plain text ! Even if some recent mail software stupidly bypasses
this rule...)

Roberto





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:33:46 +0200
Subject: Re: Mathematics will Fail? I hope so.

"Chamberlain, Clare" wrote:
>
> Am I the only one on the list who belongs to the 'one, two three, many'
> school of counting/mathematics?  Of course paper is flat
>and the fun of folding is to unflatten it into something fun!
> YES - I've come out of the closet -  I fold for FUN!!  none of this

Wow, I've never thought about it as 'unflattening' the paper. That's a
whole new concept!

As far as mathematics go, I'm an ignorant myself. But... I'm discovering
modular origami at the moment, and the fun in that is that I can FOLD
those phantastic geometric structures which I could never calculate or
draw correctly back in school!

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 03:08:51 +0200
Subject: Re: FAQ + MIME Decoders

Rosalinda Sanchez wrote:
> I don't see what is wrong with posts regarding top ten favorite models, top
> ten favorite origami authors, top ten favorite origami books etc.  I for one
Like Joseph said: There's always someone willing to complain about
something. So here you are, complaining about David Lister complaining
about repetitive questions.

I do think a FAQ is a very good idea. Not to mute any 'newbie'
questions, but rather to help newbies find 'basic' information fast and
easily, without depending on the moods of us older guys- how many times
have we been told to 'read the archives' when we wanted to discuss
copyrights or sex...

I'm willing to do a part of the FAQ as soon as someone decides what
should be IN the FAQ. Zack Brown already has a quite comprehensive FAQ
at his site, called 'Origami for your information',
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/z/zbrown/origami/origami .
It contains all kinds of interesting information, e.g. a definition of
origami, definition of terms such as 'landmark' or 'pureland', and it
even goes into techniques for laminated paper, complete with a survey of
hybrid papers, and methods for dividing a square into n equal parts. And
that's just a part of what is there :-).

It hasn't been updated since 1997, and it's not exhaustive (no FAQ could
do that anyway), but I think this is a very good FAQ already. Maybe if
Zack agrees we can use it as a basis for a new FAQ.

Matthias 'not complaining' Gutfeldt





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:48:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Montroll's New Book

Bringing Origami to Life, which will be out in the fall, is an animal
book whose designs are made from squares.

I think John Montroll said the dollar-bill book will be out in the
spring. It has some fairly complex animals. During the class I pondered
how it would be to wet fold dollar bills because a softer paper would
have helped with all those tiny folds. The models had lots of detail and
shaping. A few of the designs were: giraffe, elephant, tyrannosaurus,
swan.

-Jane





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:07:22 +0100
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

JacAlArt * <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM> sez

>I'd still prefer to see it folded from one un-cut square. (Preserve the
>tradition!)

Brown & white sides, presumably! I've enjoyed this model for over 10
years, since it was in a BOS convention pack. The model itself was
removed from the exhibition table on grounds of "bad taste" - we Brits
are notoriously sensitive you know ;)

It gives a whole new meaning to the word "complement"....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:33:05 +0800
Subject: Re: Mathematics will Fail? I hope so.

>
> "Chamberlain, Clare" wrote:
> >
> > Am I the only one on the list who belongs to the 'one, two three, many'
> > school of counting/mathematics?  Of course paper is flat
> >and the fun of folding is to unflatten it into something fun!
> > YES - I've come out of the closet -  I fold for FUN!!  none of this
>
Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
> As far as mathematics go, I'm an ignorant myself. But... I'm discovering
> modular origami at the moment, and the fun in that is that I can FOLD
> those phantastic geometric structures which I could never calculate or
> draw correctly back in school!
>
If you're planning to start a mathematics ignoramus club, count me in.
Never could figure out those mathematical formulae in some of the better
origami books ...





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:43:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Tradition

    I was the fortunate winner of last year's OUSA goldmine prize of an almost
     complete set of _Origamian_ , the newsletter of the very early 1960's
     precursor to OUSA. I have not read all of them yet, but from what I have
     read, it's fairly obvious that tr
 dition is a fluid thing. These were the very early days of the gathering of
     the origami clans, when Yoshizawa and Montoya and Harbin and all were
     corresponding with Lillian Oppenheimer. The models presented in the
     magazine were "cutting edge" for their t
 m
    Any "traditions" that can be inferred from reading these articles are
     minimal. Cutting, gluing, taping(!), folding from non-squares are all
     included and seen as following the existing and long-standing traditions.
     The traditions of today have only evo
 ved in the last decade or fifteen years. So whoever said that traditions are
     things we do for reasons we don't remember is right as far as it goes- but
     it doesn't go back very far.
    Scott
P.S. On a semantically related note (Attn.: J. Wu) - "I am" is the shortest
     sentence in the English language. "I do" is the longest.





From: "elsje van der ploeg, elst nl" <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:45:34 +0200
Subject: Fw: Swedish Stars

Hallo to the list,
I received this today, can anybody help ?
Pepi

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Jose J. Ramos <josesuzi@dbconnect.net>
Aan: pepi@betuwe.net <pepi@betuwe.net>
Datum: dinsdag 13 juli 1999 5:31
Onderwerp: Swedish Stars

As we speak my wife is trying to make Daffodil I found on the net today. The
     cat "Orion", is trying to get her attention and gaining ground. I came
     across your page today and was very pleased to find it, thank you!..I have
     been trying to find someone who
 ikes cats & origami for sometime now. My wife would like to know if you have
     any idea where she may find a diagram for a Swedish Star? She tells me
     that when she was little she use to have some on her Christmas tree at home





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:37:13 -0500
Subject: Apology

I didn't mean to offend anyone with the phrase 'old geezers.'  It wasn't
out of malice nor was I directing at David Lister or anyone else on the
list.  You can all be assurred that I see you as respected paperfolders and
not old codgers.  But I also believe that emails (this is concerning the
pet peeves email that was sent several days ago) about what people hate
about some of the emails are unsolicited and should be marked [FLAME] so
that before someone sends such an email, when they label it so they'll stop
to think about what they're sending and it's impact.  I certainly should
have thought about the impact of using such an innocent sounding term 'old
geezers' and realized that it was demeaning.  I believe a FAQ would be a
good idea, but as for top 10 lists for the seasoned members of the list
there is no need to be upset over such harmless emails, simply ignore it as
most people did.  It is spiteful to attack people because an top 10 email
irritates you, just let it slide.  In the future if I'm curious about
anykind of top 10 list I'll label it top 10 so the people who are tired of
seeing such things can simply delete it.  I can understand those of you
that don't want to see top 10 lists, but you must also appreciate the
viewpoint of newer members (like me) who are interested in seeing what some
of the people in the group like to fold, etc.  But top 10's should not be
included in a FAQ because they are opinions of favorites, not those that
are best and would only represent a minority of people since there are so
much more folders who don't even use the internet.  I know this is supposed
to be an apology but I wanted also to express my opinion on certain items.

The only thing I'm tired of is seeing HATE mail threads start up from a
misunderstanding.  Email tends to blow things out of proportion.  In
reality the issue as well as most of the issues (OUSA not included) is
minor but it gets blown up.  I'm afraid that I've allowed such a thing to
happen.  Forgive me, I meant to harm to anyone.

To all who've made it down here, thank you for your time and patience.
Happy folding to you, and a good day.

Sincerely

David Whitbeck





From: Michael LaFosse <info@ORIGAMIDO.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:17:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

Dear MaryAnn,

Thank you for your thoughtful note. You know, elephants have been making
paper
for many thousands of years.  It is quite possible that they discovered
paper
even before the Chinese!

Many people admire elephants for their fantastic memories, but I would
offer
that their papermaking skills are equal or better.  In fact, I have a
suspicion
that elephant memories are not as highly developed as they would have us
believe!  I imagine that all along the elephants have been using their
paper to
write important things down, and so keep track of them. I know it may
seem
improbable and I know that no one has made not of this activity before;
and
where, one might ask, do they hide these notes?  One may guess.

As I am quite interested in all kinds of papers, and I do love to expose
others
to my passion,  I was happy to learn that the elephants' papers were
becoming
better known and that channels may be opening up for outsiders to see
and to buy
their fine products. A word of caution now: I have had much trouble
dealing with
the elephants in the past, and have been completely cut off - they will
not send
me so much as a peanut. It would be hard to fool them with an alias, I
have
tried. All I said was: "Please send me some more of that fine **** of
yours."
Do not ere where I have gone wrong.

Best of luck

Sincerely,

Michael LaFosse

madawson wrote:

> Hey!  Michael Lafosse!  A new paper making idea!!!!!!!!  : - )
>
> MaryAnn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper
>
> >Well, makes perfect sense to make paper out of elephant dung. The stuff is
> >basically straight vegetable fiber that has been partially broken
> >down/fermented in gastic juices. And since fermentation can be an
> >alternative to using a hollander for preparing fiber for papermaking....
> >
> >You might be able to make paper from horse manure too, but I haven't heard
> >of anyone who has tried this. Perhaps it wouldn't have the same market
> value
> >:->.
> >
> >pat slider.
> >
> >
> >> Date:    Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:43:35 +0200
> >> From:    "J. Blackman" <blackman@XS4ALL.NL>
> >> Subject: Elephant dung paper
> >>
> >> In Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad of 7-7 I read about a paper factory in
> >> Malawi that produces paper exclusively out of waste materials: sugar
> cane,
> >> sisal, banana, pineapple (very thin paper, the colour of champagne) and
> >> elephant dung. This paper has the colour of cardboard boxes, is odourless
> >> and stronger than ordinary paper. One kilo of dung makes about 10 sheets.
> >> The raw material is gathered in Liwonde National Park and the money
> raised
> >> also helps to protect the animals - in 4 years the population has grown
> >> from less than 300 to 400 elephants. Elephant paper is becoming popular
> >> with tourists; you can still take home part of the elephant, even though
> >> ivory is banned.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:50:00 +0200
Subject: (NO) FAQ stuff

Yet another source for FAQs on a variety of topics is, of course, the
Origami Interest Group maintained by Maarten van Gelder. The FAQs can be
found at ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/faqs/index.htm .

Matthias 'RTFM' Gutfeldt





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:50:35 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami influence/quilts

Hi Arlene,

ever heard about synchronicity? It's a long while since I first read about
     fabric origami, but recently,I was reading about patchwork, and then I
     found some material that looks exactly like some of my origami paper. The
     similarity in geometrical patterns
 omehow got my mind ticking, I bought the stuff and am now planning an 'origami
     quilt' - and here comes your message about that book 'Spirits of the
     Cloth'.

I was wondering - are there any pictures around showing patchwork that was
     influenced by origami?

Julia Palffy
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:50:54 +0200
Subject: Re: Tradition (not only O)

Now I'm really interested in that discussion <tradition/purism>, because it
     concerns origami, but it also goes beyond and touches all the arts.
I submit that 'tradition' is a hotchpotch of solutions which have proved
     workable, simple and fairly elegant on a level which is capable of
     touching anyone, and doesn't care too much about theoretical rules.
Out of this basis, some people evolved rules and definitions to determine what
     is 'pure' art and what is not. And when these get too tight to let
     creativity breathe and live, someone comes and turns some rule around, and
     sets things off in a whole new dir
 ction.
>From what I've seen on various Websites and in Gerard's OUSA Convention
     pictures, there's a whole lot of this going on right now, and I enjoy
     watching it.
What I like about tradition is that even when people take it seriously, it
     always contains some subversive potential for new ideas, new creations,
     new developments.
So much for my 'philosophical' ;-) contribution to the list.

Julia Palffy
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:34:02 +1000
Subject: Re: Montroll's New Book

On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Ian McRobbie wrote:

> And When is his new book supposed to be out??  I
> can't wait to get a copy of it!!
>               Thanks,
>                 Ian McRobbie

Hi Ian,

This is the information I recently found on the Amazon.com webpage

Bringing Origami to Life
by John Montroll

 Our Price: $10.95

Paperback - 128 pages (October 1999)
Dover Pubns; ISBN: 0486407144
Not Yet Available: You may still order this title. We will ship it to you
when it is released by the publisher.

No clues as to whether this is the dollar bill book mentioned before, or a
new animal book (my money would be on the latter, judging from the title)

regards,
Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:59:55 +1000
Subject: Re: Kuni Kasahara (and Korean texts)

My first origami book was Creative Origami by Kasahara-san, and I remember
thinking this book must have been the ultimate collection of models, as it
seemed to have everything you would ever want to fold (and the designs
were easily mastered as well). I also remember reading the section on
creativity in the back, and then many years later reading through "Origami
for the Connoisseur".

The discussions in these two books show two very different
opinions (for example, the possible complexity of models using
traditional bases), but I found Kasahara-san's willingness to admit his
error of judgement, and his quick embrace of new styles and designers to
be inspiring. For me, Kasahara represents the ideals of origami at their
simplest level - to discover the beauty of its simplicity, and to share it
with others who are like-minded. Viva Kasahara!

As for the Korean reprints of Kunihiko Kasahara's work, I have had a
friend searching and translating a number of titles from an online Korean
bookstore. As this friend often travels between Australia and Korea, I
have ordered many origami books through him. In comparison with Japan, the
prices are amazingly good, and the book quality is always good.

Getting back to Kasahara-san, my friend and I found two new listings
yesterday which have been numbered (ie. vol.1, vol.2), and loosely
translate to "New Origami". I believe the first volume is also for sale
from Kim's Crane. I have asked my friend to bring these back for me in
August, so I will have more news then.

It is quite possible that more titles are forthcoming, as there are about
3-5 new books added to the lists every couple of weeks. In the past I
have also purchased a copy of "Origami Omnibus" well before they decided
to reprint the English versions.

I will keep you posted.

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:19:13 -0500
Subject: NO: snort Re: Apology

David wrote:
>
> I didn't mean to offend anyone with the phrase 'old geezers.'  It wasn't
> out of malice nor was I directing at David Lister or anyone else on the
> list.  You can all be assurred that I see you as respected paperfolders and
> not old codgers.

Now wait just one darn minute here!!! I have worked long and hard
to attain geezer hood and I will be darned if I am gonna let some
dog gone young rapscallion of a kid rob me of a title it took me
years to obtain!!!  I may not have made it all the way to "Old
Codger" yet but by golly I am a working on it!  I have been a
geezer for several years now and I am mighty proud to say, yes
sir mighty proud to say it! You youngsters watch out now or I'll
have to lambaste you with my cane!!

Perry (Chuckle, Snort and, Guffaw, my Attorneys)
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:03:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Tradition

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Scott Cramer=20
  >it's fairly obvious that tradition is a fluid thing.

  Well, this may garner me the name "jackass", but isn't tradition, by =
definition, not a fluid thing? I believe that what we are talking about =
should rest under some different rubrik than "tradition". Perhaps =
"movements" or "schools" are better ways to describe what has =
periodically held the reigns of the origamic paradigm. How will a =
one-decade "tradition" stand up to one perhaps thousands of years old? =
Maybe the old tradition is dumped or on hiatus or something, but I can't =
say that any of the modern movements within the origami fold qualify as =
traditions. I used to be what I thought was a purist, now I'll fold =
anything. Perhaps we are talking about fluids of varying viscosity. =
Micro-traditions. In one single lifetime I suppose there can also be =
traditions. I think we have to work out upon just what scalar level of =
time we are discussing. Many traditions also die off as the culture that =
supported their beginnings becomes anachronistic and many of its =
unrelated trappings are the baby in the bath water. Perhaps as the world =
around us changes in an exponentially increasing fashion, the lifespan =
of a tradition may only be minutes. Your fifteen minutes of fame have =
now become one femto-second of fame. I'm just beating the bushes here, =
hoping something game will fly out, mind you.

  >The traditions of today have only evolved in the last decade or =
fifteen years.=20

  Of course it is good to remember that evolution can work in two =
directions!
  All the best - c





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:36:25 -0700
Subject: Re: NO: Thread merger (was: FAQ)

Or traditions, for that matter.

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
> Geez, what are you talking about? Your mail doesn't have anything to do
> with mathematics!!
>
> Matthias
>
> Michael Clark wrote:
> >
> > I know!!!  What are your top 10 favorite Origami Ungulates by Women whose
> > Copyright have been violated as a result of a conspiracy by OUSA Board
> > Members???  >:o





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:16:07 -0700
Subject: Re: NO: Thread merger (was: FAQ)

> Or traditions, for that matter.
>
> Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> >
> > Geez, what are you talking about? Your mail doesn't have anything to do
> > with mathematics!!
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > Michael Clark wrote:
> > >
> > > I know!!!  What are your top 10 favorite Origami Ungulates by Women
whose
> > > Copyright have been violated as a result of a conspiracy by OUSA Board
> > > Members???  >:o

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel their brain seeping out of their
ears? Ungulates don't do math, 'cuz they can't handle a pencil. The top ten
non-traditional women of the clandestine OUSA board have seen to that by
genetically altering them to a state of perpetual devolution with a mixture
of elephant dung and origamically altered genetic material. Trust no one.
The revolution will not be televised!! All the best - c





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:18:35 -0700
Subject: Very NO: Thread merger (was: FAQ)

At 14:16 99/07/13 -0700, Christopher Holt wrote:
>Ungulates don't do math, 'cuz they can't handle a pencil.

Ah, but they do do math on the Discworld!
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:37:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Very NO: Thread merger (was: FAQ)

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>

> Ah, but they do do math on the Discworld!

I thought the elephants did the do-do math. Oh, dear me, now I'm ALL
befuddled and befusticated... - c





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:50:51 -0700
Subject: Re: NO: Thread merger (was: FAQ)

Christopher Holt wrote:
>Ungulates don't do math, 'cuz they can't handle a pencil.

Ah, but there are tools to make it possible for anyone with a limb of any sort
to handle a pencil, and if one has no working limbs, then in one's mouth (this
is nowhere near as flippant as it may sound, access to all ungulates, after
     all).
Kim





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:57:28 -0400
Subject: Re: MIME JUNK!

Julia-
    Send an e-mail to the  L-Soft list server at MITVMA...
E-mail Address(es):
  LISTSERV@mitvma.mit.edu
saying SET ORIGAMI NOMIME
    Do not put any subject in the subject line.
    This should solve your problem, and the problems everyone else is having
with your problem.
Scott





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:59:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Tradition

At 17:52 99/07/13 -0400, you wrote:
>Okay -- maybe when I said "tradition" I gave the wrong impression or used
>the wrong word.

Yup. 8) I think you meant "purity". Beyond what you said, though, my point
was that "tradition" is not well defined.

>All I'm saying is I prefer folding and seeing models created
>from an uncut square. Gimme Kawahata or Yoshino anyday over modular boxes
>and the like.

Me, too! At least for folding. I do like to look at modulars.

(I also prefer Paganinni to Yhanni!)

You mean "Yawn-i"? >8)

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:19:51 -0700
Subject: Singing Paperfolder

In the early 1990's, one of the guests on the David Letterman Show was a
woman who folded models as she sang.  Did anyone ever catch her act?

Dorothy





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:27:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Singing Paperfolder

Was it anybody we know?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dorothy Engleman [mailto:FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 3:20 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Singing Paperfolder
>
>
> In the early 1990's, one of the guests on the David Letterman
> Show was a
> woman who folded models as she sang.  Did anyone ever catch her act?
>
> Dorothy





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:32:05 -0700
Subject: NO Re:      Re: Tips about MIME junk

Julia - I received your messages without any unwanted junk.

MASD

-----Original Message-----
From: Julia P=E0lffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Tips about MIME junk

Thanks for your suggestion, Mark and Theresa!  I'll try to do that.
I've also been told now that this kind of trouble may occur if I use bold=
,
italic or underlining formatting in my messages - which I have, mea culpa.
Unfortunately, these MIME junk tails do not appear on my screen when I ge=
t
my own messages back , so I have no way of checking this alone.

I'd be awfully grateful if someone who sees this stuff could tell me whet=
her
it appears in all my messages, or only in those where I have quoted book
titles.

Also, since I have a Swiss keyboard, I may have used vowels with an accen=
t
or an umlaut. If so, you may see some weird sign in the middle of my fami=
ly
name, maybe a dollar or paragraph mark. Please let me know if you do, and
I'll do my best to avoid these things.

Thanks for your help,

Julia
-----Original Message-----
From:   Mark and Theresa [SMTP:mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET]
Sent:   dimanche, 11. juillet 1999 11:03
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: SOS - MIME JUNK!

> HELP! Can anyone tell me how to get rid of all that incoherent stuff th=
at
> gets tagged onto the end of my messages? I use Microsoft Outlook '97 (w=
ith
> Word '97 editor) to send and receive my E-mail - but I can't seem to fi=
nd
> anything right and simple in the Microsoft Online Help.

It's a long time since I used Outlook on the Mac so this might not work
but here goes

Find your preferences from one of the menus (sorry to be vague!) and
there will be something about the composition of outgoing mail and news.
You need to select "send as plain text" (or it might be deselect "send
as MIME")

Alternatively you could try a different email/news prog. Eudora from
Qualcomm.com is available for windows and is good (the lite version is
free). I've also heard Free Agent is a good one.

Failing that - get a proper machine and run MacSoup (JOKE!)

Hope this helps - or someone more knowledgable can help more!

--
Mark





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:40:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Singing Paperfolder

Hi Howard!

Her name is Pearl Burnett (spelling may be incorrect) and she had some
tapes of her act edited at EZTV in Los Angeles.  I spoke with someone at
the studio today and she described Pearl as a very funny older woman.
Pearl's performance of "origami shtick" intrigued me.

Dorothy





From: Michael Clark <mdc@IVC.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:03:57 -0400
Subject: NO: Thread merger (was: FAQ)

I know!!!  What are your top 10 favorite Origami Ungulates by Women whose
Copyright have been violated as a result of a conspiracy by OUSA Board
Members???  >:o

---------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Clark                    Phone: (919) 468-9901 ext. 101
IVC, Inc.                        mdc@ivc.com





From: Michael Clark <mdc@IVC.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:24:11 -0400
Subject: Montroll's new book

Ian - I attended this class.  John brought what looked like "final proofs"
of the models from his forthcoming book.  Rather than teach models from the
book, he allowed the class members to select any of the diagrams and fold
them, making himself available to assist.  I think the exercise was mostly a
final test of the diagrams.  I folded an eagle (nice!) and a howling coyote
(very nice!).

I believe that he said the new book will be released in September. He took
advance orders for the book during the class, and I jumped at the chance. If
you like Montroll animals, you will probably love the new book!

> Fellow folders,
>   I attended the '99 origami USA convention, but unfortunately I did not
get
> a ticket for Montroll's animals class.  Were the models taught in this
class
> from his upcoming book? And When is his new book supposed to be out??  I
> can't wait to get a copy of it!!
>               Thanks,
>                 Ian McRobbie

---------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Clark                    Phone: (919) 468-9901 ext. 101
IVC, Inc.                        mdc@ivc.com





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:41:01 +0200
Subject: Re: Montroll's New Book

On Tue, Jul 13, 1999 at 07:48:22AM -0500, Jane Rosemarin wrote:
> Bringing Origami to Life, which will be out in the fall, is an animal
> book whose designs are made from squares.

Does this book feature the closed-back models that John showed in
Freising last year?

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Kurt Reimer <gkr@VOICENET.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:50:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

>
> Dear MaryAnn,
>
> Thank you for your thoughtful note. You know, elephants have been making
> paper for many thousands of years.  It is quite possible that they
> discovered paper even before the Chinese!
>
        The elephants discovered the chinese??

Yours,

Kurt Reimer
gkr@voicenet.com





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:21:58 -0700 (
Subject: Thai Origami?

Does anyone know if there is a tradition of paperfolding in Thailand?  Are
there any books published in Thailand?

I asked a friend who grew up in Bangkok - he said he learned some Chinese
models such as birds, airplanes, balls/waterbombs.  Another friend who lives
in Bangkok now says there are models used on occasions such as weddings
which are probably Japanese models.

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:36:36 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Apology

David, you are a real gentleman for writing that very nice apology.  We old
geezers really welcome new folders because they bring so many interesting new
ideas to origami and are the future authors, creators, teachers, and friends,
yes even soulmates because who really understands us but other origami
enthusiasts. I really love anyone who is passionate about origami because it
has a mystical magic all its own in bringing people together. Dorigami

"I didn't mean to offend anyone with the phrase 'old geezers."'





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:51:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Thai Origami?

Marcia Mau wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a tradition of paperfolding in Thailand?

Don't know about the rest of it, but there is a Thai tradition of folding leaves
into things like various insects. And I do not mean the little woven things,
these are a kind of folded loop. I could find no reference to books about them,
though that does not mean that there aren't any. Hope that this helps.

Kim _______________________________________________________________
> Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:52:49 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Tradition

Okay -- maybe when I said "tradition" I gave the wrong impression or used
the wrong word. All I'm saying is I prefer folding and seeing models created
from an uncut square. Gimme Kawahata or Yoshino anyday over modular boxes
and the like. (I also prefer Paganinni to Yhanni!)

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:19:13 -0400
Subject: NO: Re: Tradition

Scott Cramer wrote:

> P.S. On a semantically related note (Attn.: J. Wu) - "I am" is the shortest
> sentence in the English language. "I do" is the longest

You can do better - how about "No"?

- Stephen "I thought I had a reason to study Linguistics..." Canon

Stephen_Canon@brown.edu





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:58:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Montroll's new book

John Montroll's new book will be called, "Bringing Origami to Life" and he
has told us that it should be available for the first time at the ORCA
convention in Seattle, this August 13th to 15th.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:14:59 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

How about Origami & laundry??????   : - o

<g>

MASD

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

>
>As well as several different "purisms". Might be fun to explore just where
>origami might overlap gradually into other arts/disciplines. Since taxonomy
>and gender seem to be on the back burner for now, and origami and food
>didn't seem to pique a heck of a lot of interest, what other arenas might
we
>look for the 'origamic paradigm' in?





From: DonnaJowal@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:15:50 -0400 (
Subject: Origami and Laundry

My husband, who is severely annoyed by several of my avocations, including
origami,  since he is thereby stuck with all the housework, has written the
lyrics for a country and western song entitled "She can fold anything but the
laundry."

Donna





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:53:10 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Thai Origami?

MARCIA, The blow up and peel tulip which I discovered and introduced into the
Origami world was taught to me by a student from Thailand and she told me it
was a traditional fold in her country.  I have always called it the Thai
Tulip but it has been in many books and called many names.....It is in Gay
Gross first book, and in a book on making flowers from OUSA.  I don't know if
this is true or not but that is what was told to me.





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:54:13 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Thai Origami?

Forgot to sign the email about the Thai Tuliip....It is from me Dorothy
Kaplan.  Thank you for the picture you gave me at the convention.  it was
nice seeing you.





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:09:27 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

Donna writes she can't fold laundry.  That's really funny because I'm the
worst laundry folder in the world.  That is the chore I have always liked
least.  Someone once taught me  a good way to fold a sheet though.  If
anybody wants to know I will verbalize the directions.  And only today I saw
directions in a magazine on how to fold a sheet with corners.  Somehow you
put one corner into the adjoining corner and then fold.  Sounds like a good
idea but I haven't tried it yet.  I have been doing programs on napking
folding and scarf tying for years.  Maybe I should design one on laundry
folding and add it to my roster of saleable programs.  (just joking) Dorigami





From: Emmajg <origami@CHOCOLATE.CUSTARD.ORG>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:04:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Fw: Swedish Stars

Hi I've got something similar on my site it's a Chinese lucky star where you
     fold it from one long strip of paper.
http://chocolate.custard.org/origami
hope it's of help

Emmajg* Emma Jane Griffiths
http://chocolate.custard.org
Mobile/SMS: 07971 083069
Fax: 07977 016307
ICQ: 790863
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: elsje van der ploeg, elst nl
  To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
  Sent: 13 July 1999 08:45
  Subject: Fw: Swedish Stars





From: zealous Fuse fanatic <origamifreak@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:25:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

Go for it!  I'll sign up!  :-)

anja  (hopeless at folding & putting away laundry)

--- DORIGAMI@AOL.COM wrote:
> I have been doing programs on napking folding and
> scarf tying for years.  Maybe I should design one on

> laundry folding and add it to my roster of saleable
> programs.
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:26:16 +0200
Subject: Re: NO: Thread merger (was: FAQ)

Geez, what are you talking about? Your mail doesn't have anything to do
with mathematics!!

Matthias

Michael Clark wrote:
>
> I know!!!  What are your top 10 favorite Origami Ungulates by Women whose
> Copyright have been violated as a result of a conspiracy by OUSA Board
> Members???  >:o





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:29:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Apology

David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> sez

> You can all be assurred that I see you as respected paperfolders and
>not old codgers.

You're clearly not in the BOS :)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:36:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Apology

Take it from an old geezer (geez, I feel old at 32): We're not that
easily insulted, unless we choose to be. And we don't take you
youngsters serious anyway!

Oh wait, that's not a nice thing to say... Well we do take you serious,
just not personal. That better?

As far as the FAQ goes: A mailing list netiquette guide is at Maarten
van Gelders site that I mentioned earlier,
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/faqs/index.htm . So all we need now is someone
to merge all that stuff into one huge 'origami list bible', and to add
the Gospel and Revelations, so to speak.

Or we could just leave it as it is and hit you newbies over the head
ever so often :-).

Matthias

David wrote:
>
> I didn't mean to offend anyone with the phrase 'old geezers.'





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:53:47 +0200
Subject: Re: Montroll's new book

Michael Clark wrote:
>
> Ian - I attended this class.  John brought what looked like "final proofs"
> of the models from his forthcoming book.  Rather than teach models from the
> book, he allowed the class members to select any of the diagrams and fold
> them, making himself available to assist.  I think the exercise was mostly a
> final test of the diagrams.  I folded an eagle (nice!) and a howling coyote
> (very nice!).

Ah, that sounds like the same coyote he taught in Freising last year-
it's in the Convention Proceedings (or whatever you call that book with
materials you get at the convention), and a not very good picture of
that very good coyote is also at my homepage.
http://www.bboxbbs.ch/home/tanjit/images/coyote.jpg will take you right
to the picture.

Matthias





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:55:34 -0700
Subject: Darth Maul

Sorry for the delayed response - I've been too busy to keep track of all the
postings on the list; I'm always a few digests behind.  As an update, I've
fixed the horns on Darth Maul's head a bit as per Joseph's input and I've
got a decent picture now so that I could draw in a more convincing facial
tattoo.

In terms of diagrams...I'm very busy being a husband (yes, I've got to work
at it!), trying to be a responsible father of 2 (I've got to work even
harder at this!), working, trying to fold/design models, trying to fold my
Napoleonic army, trying to fold my samurai army,... and above all trying to
be lazy!  In other words, don't expect any diagrams any time soon.

That said, I do intend and want to do some diagrams at some point in time.
Actually what I want to do is do diagrams along with the thought process in
designing the particular models.  As a novice designer, I found that there
are very few resources that teach beginners how to go about designing
models.  Being a math teacher, the logic and folding sequence of a model is
a lot more fascinating to me than the finished product itself.  I think that
it is a shame sometimes when people just see a finished product and miss out
on the stories and "life" behind a model.  One of the thrills of coming up
with a new and unique design for me, is the personal intimacy I have with
the folds hidden in the various layers that only I know about.  The "art" is
not just in the model, but also in the process.  If models could only speak
instead of being silent monoliths of their designers...

Wayne

>Wayne's on this list, so I should probably let him answer this himself. 8)
>But my guess would be that he has no plans to do so soon. Wayne's not a
>diagrammer, and Winson Chan is less available these days to diagram stuff
>for him (Winson diagrammed Wayne's X-wing fighter). Wayne's actually got a
>whole series of Star Wars models, with more in the wings. Completed so far
>are the X-wing fighter, the TIE fighter, the TIE interceptor, the AT-AT, and
>Darth Maul. I've also got a Rancor done (OUSA conventioneers got a look at
>it). We'll see what we can do about some diagrams, but don't hold your
>breaths! 8





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:56:28 +0200
Subject: Re: Montroll's new book

On Tue, Jul 13, 1999 at 10:53:47PM +0200, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> Ah, that sounds like the same coyote he taught in Freising last year-

... and with which I struggled until I had it memorized -- only to find
out that it was in the convention book. ;-)

Oh, another picture of the coyote is on
http://home.t-online.de/home/skirsch/JMontroll-Coyote.html.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:00:48 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

----- Original Message -----
From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>

> How about Origami & laundry??????   : - o
>
> <g>

I don't try to force two pursuits together that just don't go. Laundry,
after drying, is carefully piled upon a table or chair for as many days as
necessary to cure a web-like design of pleat folds into its pattern,
whereupon it is worn until ready for redeposit into the dirty laundry bin.
Frankly--I'd never thought of the idea
before...folding...laundry...folding...nope, just don't get it, but you
might be on to something :-) All the best - c





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:26:50 +0200
Subject: Re: MIME JUNK!

Hi Roberto,
But this is strange... I spent most of Monday trying to get my settings =
straight, and several people - including Douglas - have confirmed that =
my messages are now more or less OK - at least the junk's gone. Or is =
there really no hope of ever satisfying everyone?

Julia Palffy
jupalffy@bluewin.ch
