




From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:56:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Recommend  [ O-books ] bats.

Where can I find diagrams of those two models?

TIA,

Julia

-----Original Message-----
From:   Andrew Daw [SMTP:andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK]
Sent:   vendredi, 9. juillet 1999 11:00
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: Recommend  [ O-books ] bats.

Michael LaFosse's "Happy Good Luck Bat" and Tom Hull's "Flapping bat"
comes to mind immediately :)

> -----Original Message-----
>
<SNIP>
> Finally, apart from Harbin's and Rhoads' bats does anyone know of other
> 'good' origami bats?
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Doug Mills





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:24:58 +0200
Subject: Re: A few questions [Unamuno]

Dear Greg,

Thanks for the info. Actually, I also have Engel's book, that's what got me
     curious in the first place... If anyone knows the titles of Unamuno's
     works on Origami, that would be great!

Julia

-----Original Message-----
From:   Greg Foster [SMTP:fostergr@MISSOURI.EDU]
Sent:   jeudi, 8. juillet 1999 19:39
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: A few questions [Unamuno]

 << File: ATT00000.txt; charset = X-UNKNOWN >>





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:39:50 -0500
Subject: Sasuga and Kawahata!

Well I went to Sasuga today!  For those who are planning to go soon, if you
take the subway it's real easy to get to because it's just across the
street!  Now I wish I knew Japanese as I looked at the impressive books but
didn't know the titles and authors.  I saw a book on flowerballs, several
polyhedra and boxes books.  Not only was Fuse' the Mask but another Mask
book by someone else that was equally impressive.  All those modular books
I didn't know who wrote them, (besides the Quilts book) if a book on
flowerballs, awesome polyhedra, or flowers sound familar to any of y'all
would you mind telling me any info you have?  I settled on Kawahata's
Origami Fantasy.  What an impressive book!  I've not seen such intricate
animals before!  Does Kawahata have a thing for dinosaurs because nothing
in his small contribution in North American Animals is anything like these
astonishing models!  I do have a question, does anyone have a translation
of his theory stuff in the back?

David
ps the NOA convention books were neat!





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:34:56 +0200
Subject: Re: Recommend  [ O-books ] bats.

There's also Rikki Donachies wonderful 'little bat', sitting here on my
desk waiting to be scanned and put on my homepage... I'll do it real
soon, I promise!

Matthias, looking guilty

Andrew Daw wrote:
>
> Michael LaFosse's "Happy Good Luck Bat" and Tom Hull's "Flapping bat"
> comes to mind immediately :)





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:52:01 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami Book

Ronald Koh wrote:
> Other publishers I approached were generally wary of the market
> potential, as my work was considered too difficult for the uninitiated.

Don't give up just because a dozen or so publishers turn you down! We
contacted over 20 publishers before we found one that was willing to
publish our book (about research in anaesthesiology). And it's a very
big, established publisher, too! Just keep writing those letters, be
persistant, and be patient.

Matthias





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:48:06 -0700
Subject: Model Menu set up and breakdown

MaryAnn, Thanx very much!

Can I assume you will also claim your model either immediately before or
immediately after the last class on Sunday, or leave a clear indication that
you are not going to claim it?      : -)

At breakdown, the single greatest problem we face is what to do with the
models that are still there.  We wind up giving some away on a table of
models free for the taking.... some go to the home office, while others
*eventually* go back to the folder.  But in the meantime, we have to move
them (and keep them in some order) while we are breaking down the display
they are sitting on.   Very tough to do!

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson wrote:

<Date:    Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:15:33 -0700
From:    madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Subject: Re: General OUSA 99 Comments.

Deg -
 Thanks for your clarification.  i didn't realize that there was any
advantage (on the planning end) to having the models sent in early.  I
actually thought it was better to bring it myself so that no one would have
to store it or transport it from the museum to FIT.  Next year I will send
mine ahead.

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson>





From: Sandra P Hoffman <ghidra@CONSCOOP.OTTAWA.ON.CA>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:02:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Kuni Kasahara

On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Julia P=E0lffy wrote:
>=20
> I can't really name one author as my ideal - choosing one would=20
> be leaving all the other good ones out. And I prefer variety.  ;-)

I'd say that Kunihiko Kasahara is my favourite origami author. Oddly
enough the second origami book I bought was one of his. Origami Made Easy.

I swore after I bought that book and tried to use it that I would never,
ever buy another book of his. I was so frustrated with it. I now have 3 of
his books. I bought Origami Omnibus in the spring, and just picked up
Origami for the Connoisseur yesterday. I enjoy reading what he writes
about origami and the models he presents. He makes me think past the
process of folding to try to see the patterns underlying the
process. He does this in a way that works very well for me. He
also makes me believe that I could create origami if I wanted to.

Two of my favourite folds are from Kunihiko Kasahara books. The peacock
from Origami Made Easy. I've made this peacock many times, and still feel
a thrill when the tail is finished and spread. It makes a wonderful
christmas tree ornament and one that displays beautiful paper very well.
The Crab from Origami Omnibus. This crab is one of 4 illustrated in his
discussion of "the ideal origami should strive to attain." It's the only
one diagrammed. It is very simple, very pure and totally delightful.
Everytime I finish this crab I want to laugh out loud with pleasure.

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman ghidra@conscoop.ottawa.on.ca
http://www.flora.org/sandra/
----------------------------
The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due,
not a garden swollen to a realm;
his own hands to use,
not the hands of others to command. --Sam Gamgee





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:31:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Women and origami

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM> WROTE:
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Women and origami

>The real question should be posed to all
>of those women out there who have decided not to design origami models as
>to why they went that route.
>

>
>Marc

Marc - from my perspective (woman) it's not so much that a consious decision
was made NOT to design models but rather that there are so many models out
there to fold already.  If my house was transported via tornado (ala Dorothy
in the Wizard of Oz) to some desolate island, I would have enough books with
models to keep me occupied for a very long time and not have to fold one
twice!!!!!  Perhaps it is a time thing, not having time to design AND fold
finished pieces.  Or maybe it is just a desire to fold finished pieces
without going through the process of figuring out how to get a base that
provides you with enough flaps to get the right # of whatevers.

And ...... while I do not choose to design now.......... maybe I will in the
future if I find I need something!?!?!?!?

Also, it may depend upon the circumstances under which people fold.  If they
are in an environment that encourages designing, more people will design.
If they are only taught to follow existing models, less people will design.
Perhaps we need to encourage each other to design more!





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:21:23 +0200
Subject: (NO) Listserv problems?

Two mails I sent to the list on Friday didn't get redistributed to
recipients (at least not to my mailbox), although they do appear in the
archives. Is this just a freak accident, or is it due to the new AI
listserv software?

Matthias





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:39:26 -0400 (
Subject: Not Women & Origami

Now we are on a totally different subject that is not only related to women.
Why do some paperfolders create new designs and others prefer following
directions for existing models? Many creators also enjoy folding other
people's designs. We all begin by folding existing models but perhaps there
are exceptions.

Florence Temko.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:21:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Model Menu set up and breakdown

deg farrelly wrote:

+Can I assume you will also claim your model either immediately before or
+immediately after the last class on Sunday, or leave a clear indication that
+you are not going to claim it?      : -)

Would taking all of one's Model Menu models before one's last class of the
convention be OK? It might leave "gaps" in the Model Menu if one's last class
is on Saturday though.

+At breakdown, the single greatest problem we face is what to do with the
+models that are still there.

Just an off-the-cuff suggestion: Usually by breakdown time on Sunday
there are several unused tables not far from the Simple end of the
Model Menu... Why not just transfer the models remaining onto that table,
with the understanding that unless prior arrangement has been made,
models on that table will be "free game" after a set time? Move the
models and tags once. The table(s) needed could be moved into the protected
Model Menu area if need be.

-D'gou

P.S. I too will send my models in advance next year!





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:28:53 +0200
Subject: Re: Kuni Kasahara

Hello Valerie,

That's an interesting question. I'd say a model ought to look simple and yet
     expressive, lively  - OTOH have some original twist in the folding
     process, if possible.

I like that CDO doggie...

While I enjoy the challenge of a complicated and realistic fold, and feel proud
     when I've managed to finish it, I often feel happier with something
     simpler (but not too simple either).

I can't really name one author as my ideal - choosing one would be leaving all
     the other good ones out. And I prefer variety.  ;-)

Regards,

Julia

-----Original Message-----
From:   Valerie Kull [SMTP:VKull@ENVIRONCORP.COM]
Sent:   vendredi, 9. juillet 1999 22:49
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Kuni Kasahara

Nick, I read with interest your remark that "Kuni Kasahara ... represents
for me the finest origami ideals to be found." What do you think are the
best origami ideals (also an open question to the List)? I'd like to expand
my appreciation of origami from merely, "Gosh, that really looks a lot like
a rhino/bat/Darth Maul mask/whatever" (and I gotta tell you, nobody likes to
hear me say that the model looks a lot like a whatever ;-)  ). Usefully, I
do happen to own a copy of Kuni Kasahara's Creative Origami.

Valerie Kull





From: Phil and Amy <amynphil@NETZONE.COM>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:03:54 -0700
Subject: Re: new model (Perry's site)

This probably isn't related at all, but make sure you have the latest copy
of Adobe Acrobat Reader.  When I first visited Perry's site, I couldn't view
the majority of the diagrams, since I had an older version of Acrobat
Reader.  You can get it free at:
http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html

Phil

*********

Perry wrote:

madawson wrote:
>
> Perry
> Hi I got into your Web Page and can see the picture of the dragon but there
> is no text or diagrams.  Am I doing something wrong?  I have Microsoft
> Windows 98 on my PC.
>
Not that I can think of, I just went and checked the site, you
click on the "1" below the models name and it should either open
the file if you have acrobat reader set up to do so or ask you
what you want to do with the file.  I don't think win 98 should
make any difference.  Just in case I will e-mail the pdf to you
privately.

Perry





From: Mette Pederson <mette.pederson@TRIFOLIUM.COM>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:37:17 -0400
Subject: OUSA Convention pictures

I've finally gotten around to posting some OUSA Convention pictures on my
web page!  You can find the pictures at
http://mette.pederson.com/AlbumOUSA1999.htm.

I've also posted pictures of some of my new units.  They can be found at
http://mette.pederson.com/MoreOfMyUnits.htm.

Enjoy!
Mette Pederson

mette@pederson.com
MetteUnits@aol.com
http://mette.pederson.com





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:02:21 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Kasahara Books

Several people have recently referred in Origami-L to Kunihiko Kasahara's
wonderful series of books, Viva Origami, Top Origami, El Mundo Nuevo and La
Era Nueva.

Viva Origami was the book in which Kasahara selflessly revealed and published
the remarkable folding of Jun Maekawa and brought him to the notice of the
world.

Top Origami was a compilation of complex work from folders, both eastern and
western. It was translated into English as "Origami for the Conoisseur". This
book has probably been commented on and asked about  in Origami-L more than
any other book. After being out-of-print for some time, it has now been
reissued by Japan Publictions and, for those who re still looking for it, it
can be obtained from all the usual origami book suppliers.

When they were published, Viva Origami and Top Origami in their original
versions were never particularly difficult to obtain. However El Mundo Nuevo
and el Era Nueva were more elusive. I forget where I obtained my copies from,
but I remember that it wasn't without difficulty. Later, however, I sw them
offered fro sale, but don't remember by what book dealer.

El Mundo Nuevo and El Era Nueva (Their Spanish titles have always been
something of a mystery) didn't remain in print for long. I understand that
there was some difficulty with them, because, despite Kasahara's specific
requirement, the publisher failed to obtain copyright clearance for some of
the model included.

I have, however, heard persistent rumours that the four books have been
reprinted in Korea. Has anyone any information about this? If so, I am
anxious to hear all about it.

But more than that, I have also heard that two more books have been published
in the series. Again, Korea has been mentioned. I have no more informtion,
but if there are two more books,then I am very keen to get my hands on them,
s I'm sure, many other folders will be.

If anyone has any information on these matters, or can at least point me to
the source of the rumours, (were they mentioned on Origami-L?) I am most
anxious to her from him or her. I shall be most grateful for any information
at all.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:55:16 +0200
Subject: Re: Kuni Kasahara

You're right there...
I like Creative Origami, but I prefer Top Origami  aka Origami for the =
Connoisseur and its companion volumes. I keep forgetting they're from =
the same author.
I love the models in my Akira Yoshizawa books because they're so =
beautiful - but it's true Kunihiko Kasahara's books stimulate you to =
think and create on your own.

Julia

-----Original Message-----
From:   Sandra P Hoffman [SMTP:ghidra@CONSCOOP.OTTAWA.ON.CA]
Sent:   samedi, 10. juillet 1999 23:02
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: Kuni Kasahara

On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Julia P=E0lffy wrote:
>=20
> I can't really name one author as my ideal - choosing one would=20
> be leaving all the other good ones out. And I prefer variety.  ;-)

I'd say that Kunihiko Kasahara is my favourite origami author. Oddly
enough the second origami book I bought was one of his. Origami Made =
Easy.

I swore after I bought that book and tried to use it that I would never,
ever buy another book of his. I was so frustrated with it. I now have 3 =
of
his books. I bought Origami Omnibus in the spring, and just picked up
Origami for the Connoisseur yesterday. I enjoy reading what he writes
about origami and the models he presents. He makes me think past the
process of folding to try to see the patterns underlying the
process. He does this in a way that works very well for me. He
also makes me believe that I could create origami if I wanted to.

Two of my favourite folds are from Kunihiko Kasahara books. The peacock
from Origami Made Easy. I've made this peacock many times, and still =
feel
a thrill when the tail is finished and spread. It makes a wonderful
christmas tree ornament and one that displays beautiful paper very well.
The Crab from Origami Omnibus. This crab is one of 4 illustrated in his
discussion of "the ideal origami should strive to attain." It's the only
one diagrammed. It is very simple, very pure and totally delightful.
Everytime I finish this crab I want to laugh out loud with pleasure.

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman ghidra@conscoop.ottawa.on.ca
http://www.flora.org/sandra/
----------------------------
The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due,
not a garden swollen to a realm;
his own hands to use,
not the hands of others to command. --Sam Gamgee





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 08:48:44 +0200
Subject: Re: SOS - MIME JUNK!

HELP!
Can anyone tell me how to get rid of all that incoherent stuff that gets =
tagged onto the end of my messages? I use Microsoft Outlook '97 (with =
Word '97 editor) to send and receive my E-mail - but I can't seem to =
find anything right and simple in the Microsoft Online Help.
TIA

Julia

-----Original Message-----
From:   Julia P=E0lffy [SMTP:jupalffy@bluewin.ch]
Sent:   dimanche, 11. juillet 1999 07:44
To:     'Origami List'
Subject:        RE: MIME JUNK!

I guess I'd react just like you if it happened to me...

Regards,

Julia

-----Original Message-----
From:   Douglas Zander [SMTP:dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET]
Sent:   dimanche, 11. juillet 1999 01:51
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: MIME JUNK!

I'm sorry if my previous message seemed a little harsh or sarcastic, I
didn't mean it to sound so harsh.  I guess I was just a little =
frustrated
with the format the message was in and how they come out on my screen; I
usually can't read these type of messages.

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:02:34 +0100
Subject: Re: SOS - MIME JUNK!

> HELP! Can anyone tell me how to get rid of all that incoherent stuff that
> gets tagged onto the end of my messages? I use Microsoft Outlook '97 (with
> Word '97 editor) to send and receive my E-mail - but I can't seem to find
> anything right and simple in the Microsoft Online Help.

It's a long time since I used Outlook on the Mac so this might not work
but here goes

Find your preferences from one of the menus (sorry to be vague!) and
there will be something about the composition of outgoing mail and news.
You need to select "send as plain text" (or it might be deselect "send
as MIME")

Alternatively you could try a different email/news prog. Eudora from
Qualcomm.com is available for windows and is good (the lite version is
free). I've also heard Free Agent is a good one.

Failing that - get a proper machine and run MacSoup (JOKE!)

Hope this helps - or someone more knowledgable can help more!

--
Mark





From: "L. Hayashi" <lmh@COMPUSMART.AB.CA>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:18:14 -0600
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention pictures

Thanks for posting the pics of the convention.





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:49:13 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Not Women & Origami

I prefer to fold from existing models because I learn folds to share with
children.  My greatest joy is not from mastering a model myself, but when one
of my students has mastered a model taught by me.

I have just started to create and I must admit anything I have created has
been a direct result of someone else's' unit, meaning, for example, I learned
Fuse's simple modular box using 4 units, calculated the math and created 5, 6
, 8 and 9 unit boxes.
(Fuse saw my 5 and 8 unit boxes at OUSA convention and indicated they were
unique rather than a case of minds thinking alike separately.)

Though I am proud, (dare I admit the sin of pride), to have "created", I
derive more joy from teaching.





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:05:08 +0200
Subject: Re: Tips about MIME junk

Thanks for your suggestion, Mark and Theresa!  I'll try to do that.
I've also been told now that this kind of trouble may occur if I use bold,
     italic or underlining formatting in my messages - which I have, mea culpa.
     Unfortunately, these MIME junk tails do not appear on my screen when I get
     my own messages back , so I ha
 e no way of checking this alone.

I'd be awfully grateful if someone who sees this stuff could tell me whether it
     appears in all my messages, or only in those where I have quoted book
     titles.

 Also, since I have a Swiss keyboard, I may have used vowels with an accent or
     an umlaut. If so, you may see some weird sign in the middle of my family
     name, maybe a dollar or paragraph mark. Please let me know if you do, and
     I'll do my best to avoid thes
  things.

Thanks for your help,

Julia
-----Original Message-----
From:   Mark and Theresa [SMTP:mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET]
Sent:   dimanche, 11. juillet 1999 11:03
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: SOS - MIME JUNK!

> HELP! Can anyone tell me how to get rid of all that incoherent stuff that
> gets tagged onto the end of my messages? I use Microsoft Outlook '97 (with
> Word '97 editor) to send and receive my E-mail - but I can't seem to find
> anything right and simple in the Microsoft Online Help.

It's a long time since I used Outlook on the Mac so this might not work
but here goes

Find your preferences from one of the menus (sorry to be vague!) and
there will be something about the composition of outgoing mail and news.
You need to select "send as plain text" (or it might be deselect "send
as MIME")

Alternatively you could try a different email/news prog. Eudora from
Qualcomm.com is available for windows and is good (the lite version is
free). I've also heard Free Agent is a good one.

Failing that - get a proper machine and run MacSoup (JOKE!)

Hope this helps - or someone more knowledgable can help more!

--
Mark





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:56:29 -0500
Subject: Re: new model (Perry's site)

Phil and Amy wrote:
>
> This probably isn't related at all, but make sure you have the latest copy
> of Adobe Acrobat Reader.  When I first visited Perry's site, I couldn't view
> the majority of the diagrams, since I had an older version of Acrobat
> Reader.  You can get it free at:
> http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html

Sorry about that Phil! I forgot there were earlier editions or I
would have mentioned it!  I am sorry, and somewhat embarrassed I
did not think to mention the version of acrobat.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:42:50 +0200
Subject: Re: Kasahara Books

I too would be very interested about those two further books in the series.

Julia
-----Original Message-----
From:   DLister891@AOL.COM [SMTP:DLister891@AOL.COM]
Sent:   dimanche, 11. juillet 1999 11:02
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: Kasahara Books

Several people have recently referred in Origami-L to Kunihiko Kasahara's
wonderful series of books, Viva Origami, Top Origami, El Mundo Nuevo and La
Era Nueva.

Viva Origami was the book in which Kasahara selflessly revealed and published
the remarkable folding of Jun Maekawa and brought him to the notice of the
world.

Top Origami was a compilation of complex work from folders, both eastern and
western. It was translated into English as "Origami for the Conoisseur". This
book has probably been commented on and asked about  in Origami-L more than
any other book. After being out-of-print for some time, it has now been
reissued by Japan Publictions and, for those who re still looking for it, it
can be obtained from all the usual origami book suppliers.

When they were published, Viva Origami and Top Origami in their original
versions were never particularly difficult to obtain. However El Mundo Nuevo
and el Era Nueva were more elusive. I forget where I obtained my copies from,
but I remember that it wasn't without difficulty. Later, however, I sw them
offered fro sale, but don't remember by what book dealer.

El Mundo Nuevo and El Era Nueva (Their Spanish titles have always been
something of a mystery) didn't remain in print for long. I understand that
there was some difficulty with them, because, despite Kasahara's specific
requirement, the publisher failed to obtain copyright clearance for some of
the model included.

I have, however, heard persistent rumours that the four books have been
reprinted in Korea. Has anyone any information about this? If so, I am
anxious to hear all about it.

But more than that, I have also heard that two more books have been published
in the series. Again, Korea has been mentioned. I have no more informtion,
but if there are two more books,then I am very keen to get my hands on them,
s I'm sure, many other folders will be.

If anyone has any information on these matters, or can at least point me to
the source of the rumours, (were they mentioned on Origami-L?) I am most
anxious to her from him or her. I shall be most grateful for any information
at all.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Emmajg <origami@CHOCOLATE.CUSTARD.ORG>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:21:23 +0100
Subject: Hello

Hi there
Just a quick note

I've made a new email address just for origami which is ...
origami@chocolate.custard.org   but you can still contact me at
emmajg@custard.org

also I've updated a few things on my web pages (personal & origami)
http://chocolate.custard.org/origami

Take care

Emmajg*

Emma Jane Griffiths
http://chocolate.custard.org
Mobile/SMS: 07971 083069
Fax: 07977 016307
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:50:25 -0700
Subject: Re: NO: Attachments and other List problems

At 11:43 99/07/12 -0400, you wrote:
>Is it just me, or have others found attachments on quite a few messages to
>Origami-L lately?  I haven't downloaded any for fear of viruses.  What's
>going on?  Can someone clue me in?

This is just the few multipart MIME encoded messages that some people have
been having problems with. They appear as attachments on my computer as
well. Don't worry about them. Just ignore them. (A virus in an attachment
can't do any harm unless you run it.)

Regarding other list problem, I've noticed a large number of delivery
problems to various subscribers around the world. I can only assume that
since it's summer (for most of us), there are more tech people on vacation
and things are getting a little sloppy in 'Net-land. I've not had any error
reports from the server regarding any of the people who have not been able
to send or receive messages (or sending duplicate messages). I'll see what I
can do, but at the moment it doesn't seem like much.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:56:22 -0700
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention pictures

At 02:37 99/07/11 -0400, you wrote:
>I've finally gotten around to posting some OUSA Convention pictures on my
>web page!  You can find the pictures at
>http://mette.pederson.com/AlbumOUSA1999.htm.

Thanks for the photos. I especially appreciated seeing Bernie Peyton's new
bear models. The bear paws are by him, too, BTW.

>I've also posted pictures of some of my new units.  They can be found at
>http://mette.pederson.com/MoreOfMyUnits.htm.

The Ring of Rings is very beautiful!

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From: Gerard Blais <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:57:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Sasuga and Kawahata!

I think an english version of the theory can be
found in the "Origami Science and Art" proceedings.

Gerard

David wrote:

        does anyone have a translation
        of his theory stuff in the back?





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:01:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Some Stuff about me(long)

At 11:57 99/07/12 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi to all out there!  I suscribed to the list just this spring.  I've been
>asking questions and making comments for awhile, but I never told you who I
>am.  My name is David Whitbeck....
>...
>...Well that's enough about me, just thought I'd let ya know.

Thanks for the intro, David!

>ps I didn't mean to upset anyone about top 10 lists, since I'm new I didn't
>know any better.

Don't worry about it. No matter where you go, you'll always find someone
(myself included) willing to complain about anything. Just remember to use
"NO" in the subject line for any non-origami messages.

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From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@BCPL.NET>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:02:19 -0400
Subject: Origami influence/quilts

In a beautiful new book I just checked out of the library called 'Spirts
of the Cloth-Contemporary African American Quilts' -by Carolyn Mazloomi, I
found this note beside an exquisite quilt created by Virginia Harris:

"A Japanese American friend invited me to fold origami with her.
Folding the papers into various objects was intriguing. What shape would
result, when the papers were unfolded? I cut sixteen-inch squares of
freezer paper--folded, unfolded--and a fascinating new source for quilt
blocks evolved. The distinct blocks disappeared as the quilt formed, and
an overall pattern evolved. In an adaptation of an unfolded origami candy
box, the Japanese print fabrics are grouped like pieces of candy in a box"
... p. 166, 167

Arlene Anderson                 aanderso@bcpl.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:34:32 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

At 13:17 99/07/12 -0400, D'gou wrote:
>Joseph Wu wrote:
>> Ah, but it's cute! I made one out of pre-cut 15 cm washi and placed it on
>> the counter in the reception area of my office. No comments from guests yet,
>> but the receptionist is getting VERY nervous! >8)
>
>Is it still there? ;-) or did it manage to "finish" over the weekend?

It's still there. Apparently, there have been mixed reviews. Some "oohs" and
some "ughs". 8)
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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:54:12 +0200
Subject: (NO) RE: disregard-personal test

Hmm, it seems the listserv is making up for the messages he swallowed by
sending other messages twice, like my reply to Thoki, and Emmas 'Hello'
message.

Matthias





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:05:47 -0700
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention pictures

At 13:56 99/07/12 -0400, D'gou wrote:
>Joseph Wu wrote:
>> Thanks for the photos. I especially appreciated seeing Bernie Peyton's new
>> bear models. The bear paws are by him, too, BTW.
>
>I'd like to second that thanks! I saw the bear paws, but somehow missed the
>bears themselves. Thanks!

I've got a number of photos of Bernie's models (and Bernie himself) from
last year's convention. I had promised to put them up on the Web, but hadn't
gotten around to it. Now that Mette has given me some of her photos, I've
got incentive to finally get around to it. So...next installment in the
Gallery: Dr. Bernie Peyton and his bears.

>> The Ring of Rings is very beautiful!
>
>Yes, it is very cool too! Quite shiver-itious!

Well, for me, the shivering would be more like shuddering...at the thought
of folding all of those modules! (Can you tell I'm not a modular fanatic?)

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From: "<Ryan Becker>" <RyBecker@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:43:27 -0400 (
Subject: NO: Attachments

Is it just me, or have others found attachments on quite a few messages to
Origami-L lately?  I haven't downloaded any for fear of viruses.  What's
going on?  Can someone clue me in?

Ryan Becker





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:57:27 -0500
Subject: Some Stuff about me(long)

Hi to all out there!  I suscribed to the list just this spring.  I've been
asking questions and making comments for awhile, but I never told you who I
am.  My name is David Whitbeck.  I grew up in Reno even though I was born
in Michigan.  Here it is divided into two sections: origami and
life\origami (the set disjoint with origami).
Origami:
I first discovered origami when my sister, Elizabeth, learned the basics to
teach her class to fold origami as a project in third grade.  Even though
she was bored with it soon enough, my grandmother didn't know that and sent
as a gift the Complete Book of Origami by Robert J. Lang.  She folded a few
of the folds (perfectly I might add) but I spent more time borrowing the
book from her to fold from it.  She gave the book to me and I spent a good
deal of time pathetically trying to fold some of the models.  I bought an
introductory book and got as a gift another Isao Honda book and was finally
learning the basics.  I didn't learn that you could fold quadrapeds, and so
much more though until I encountered the amazing Origami Omnibus, and
folded the mule and others.  I got more Lang books and folded models but
the results were always messy and ugly.  One thing I should have learned
early was don't fold from xerox paper.  The other lesson I needed I didn't
learn until recently.  I've been folding off and on over the years.  Last
year when I lived in the dorms, as it was my freshman year, two guys on my
floor were interested in origami.  They purchased Origami for the
Connesseur and North American Animals in Origami and within a week they
could fold anything out of both books!  I was inspired to return to origami
and buy plenty of Montroll books.  I still was folding ugly awkward models
though.  It wasn't until this spring that I realized that the only way I
was going to fold nice models was to fold them several times, I'm just not
good enough to fold something well the first time.  And now I've finally
been producing nice models.  With help from this list I've also managed to
get into wetfolding and making and using tissue foil paper.  There was one
other thing though: my exposure to modular origami is due to my high school
math club, since our advisor loved origami (I should say only origami by
Fuse) we got together every month to do something, whether it be a
polyhedron or an elegant box.

Life\Origami:

Being close to the Sierra Nevadas made it great for hiking and
cross-country skiing.  Besides that I just read sf/fantasy and occasionally
a classic.  I discovered I like Math, Physics and Computer Programming.
I'm a simple undergrad who has just finished his sophomore year.  Anybody
on the list going to college soon or is in college I must recommend Partial
Differential Equations and Complex Analysis, they're fun.  I'm double
majoring in Math and Physics.  I've done such mediocre stuff as grading
homework, and challenging stuff as tutoring students in Calc., DiffEq., and
Physics.  Well that's enough about me, just thought I'd let ya know.

Sincerely,
David
ps I didn't mean to upset anyone about top 10 lists, since I'm new I didn't
know any better.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:17:21 -0400
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

Joseph Wu wrote:

> Ah, but it's cute! I made one out of pre-cut 15 cm washi and placed it on
> the counter in the reception area of my office. No comments from guests yet,
> but the receptionist is getting VERY nervous! >8)

Is it still there? ;-) or did it manage to "finish" over the weekend?

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:56:20 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention pictures

Joseph Wu wrote:

> Thanks for the photos. I especially appreciated seeing Bernie Peyton's new
> bear models. The bear paws are by him, too, BTW.

I'd like to second that thanks! I saw the bear paws, but somehow missed the
bears themselves. Thanks!

> The Ring of Rings is very beautiful!

Yes, it is very cool too! Quite shiver-itious!

-D'gou





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:25:58 -0400 (
Subject: Re: NO: Attachments and other List problems

Joseph Wu  wrote earlier today:

<< This is just the few multipart MIME encoded messages that some people have
 been having problems with.  >>

My problem with MIME messages is that I can find no way to decode them. I
have looked in the Help files and in books, but MIME seems to be a State
Secret. What program is appropriate to decipher it?

I also find that some downloads have a Windows flag symbol against them in
Windows Explorer. They also defeat me. Can anyone please give me some clues?

I'm aware of the problem with viruses, but you can't go through life refusing
to open ANY attachment. You can only use your discretion and an anti-virus
program and live in faith and hope

David Lister.





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:25:59 -0400 (
Subject: Frequently Asked Questions.

I wonder if we have reached the stage where it would be useful to have a
related site for Frequently Asked Questions..

I don't wish to be unkind to new subscribers (I was once one myself), but I
an beginning to find it a little irritating when people new to the list
plunge in and repeat the same questions which have been answered over and
over again: things like: What are the ten best folds? What are the ten best
origami books? Where can I buy Origami paper? Where can I find a fold for an
elephant? How can I sign off this list? And so on and so on and so on.

I'm sure that everyone, including long-standing members would find an FAQ
list very helpful.

David Lister.





From: Rosalinda Sanchez <RRosalinda@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:26:32 -0400 (
Subject: Re: FAQ + MIME Decoders

In a message dated 7/12/99 11:29:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DLister891@aol.com writes:

<< I don't wish to be unkind to new subscribers (I was once one myself), but I
 an beginning to find it a little irritating when people new to the list
 plunge in and repeat the same questions which have been answered over and
 over again: things like: What are the ten best folds? What are the ten best
 origami books? Where can I buy Origami paper? Where can I find a fold for an
 elephant? How can I sign off this list? And so on and so on and so on.
  >>

I don't see what is wrong with posts regarding top ten favorite models, top
ten favorite origami authors, top ten favorite origami books etc.  I for one
am very interested in what other people enjoy folding and what origami books
they enjoy reading.    I was rather disappointed that more people didn't add
their top ten favorite models.  Most likely because they were afraid of being
flamed by people like you who are complaining about "newbies."  I imagine
that many new members join this list every month even every week so the lists
would always be different.  I am not that new to the list myself (about 6
months) I would say, and this is the first time this discussion has come up.
As far as places to buy paper, if somebody can tell me a place that I don't
already know about to buy paper then I am more than interested.

This letter is not at all written to start an argument but just to let it be
known that there ARE some people interested.  You know what, there is always
the little key on your keyboard that says *DELETE.*  It takes more energy and
time to complain about OUSA posts, top ten favorites, etc., than to press one
little key.

Anyway, to answer your FAQ regarding MIME Deocders.  Try:

http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#decodeshellextension

 <A HREF="http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#decodeshellextension">Freeware and
Other Utilities by Funduc Software
</A>

It's a great, small in size, FREE program that puts an option in your
right-click pop up menu to decode MIME and BINHEX (Mac format) files.  It has
been an indispensable program for me.

Hope this helps.

Rosa





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:58:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

Hey!  Michael Lafosse!  A new paper making idea!!!!!!!!  : - )

MaryAnn

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

>Well, makes perfect sense to make paper out of elephant dung. The stuff is
>basically straight vegetable fiber that has been partially broken
>down/fermented in gastic juices. And since fermentation can be an
>alternative to using a hollander for preparing fiber for papermaking....
>
>You might be able to make paper from horse manure too, but I haven't heard
>of anyone who has tried this. Perhaps it wouldn't have the same market
value
>:->.
>
>pat slider.
>
>
>> Date:    Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:43:35 +0200
>> From:    "J. Blackman" <blackman@XS4ALL.NL>
>> Subject: Elephant dung paper
>>
>> In Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad of 7-7 I read about a paper factory in
>> Malawi that produces paper exclusively out of waste materials: sugar
cane,
>> sisal, banana, pineapple (very thin paper, the colour of champagne) and
>> elephant dung. This paper has the colour of cardboard boxes, is odourless
>> and stronger than ordinary paper. One kilo of dung makes about 10 sheets.
>> The raw material is gathered in Liwonde National Park and the money
raised
>> also helps to protect the animals - in 4 years the population has grown
>> from less than 300 to 400 elephants. Elephant paper is becoming popular
>> with tourists; you can still take home part of the elephant, even though
>> ivory is banned.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:28:41 -0700
Subject: Re: FAQ + MIME Decoders

> << Like Joseph said: There's always someone willing to complain about
>  something. So here you are, complaining about David Lister complaining
>  about repetitive questions. >>
>
> You got the wrong impression that I was "complaining."  I just wanted to
let
> it be known that to some people a top ten list might be of interest.
> Needless to say, not every post is going to be of interest to every person
so
> we all should try to be a little more tolerant and respectful of what
other
> people wish to discuss as long as it does have to do with Origami

Of course the perfect counter-point to that are the two recent threads:
Women and Origami, along with The Evolution of Origami Ungulates, which
covered much more than origami. Often when those threads get started, they
are a Bullwinklian snowball, ever increasing toward the  avalanche with
furry, brown, clenched fists sticking out (as the ungulates discussion
taught us--not an acurate depiction of Bullwinkle-nature) that explodes
against a wall in a non-ontomatapeoaian splat. Bless 'em, I love those
threads (while I did't participate in the 'ungulates' thread, evolutionary
biology, as well as evolutionary theory in a non-biological context is
currently my most avid pursuit) there were some wonderful observations, both
sensical and non in both discussions, and a few sheets were aired out as
well. I believe, as Joseph and David have stated, that an FAQ is the best
way to keep track of copyright Q's and Top Ten A's and all that stuff that
is the clutter you crunch underfoot as you mutter about sweeping up. On the
other hand, sometimes it is good to have the cold-mackeral slap across the
face in the middle of a heated discussion--if only to see if you keep the
thread or scream about the interruption. I would have liked more of those
during the OUSA postings before the convention. I'd much rather have that
slap in the form of 'heads-up's about new web sites or nifty folds to try
than in being asked my top ten books and folds, but I guess that's what
those awkward slow periods are about... Thanks for your ears(eyes), All the
best-c





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:01:49 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

At 17:57 99/07/12 -0400, you wrote:
>I'd still prefer to see it folded from one un-cut square. (Preserve the
>tradition!)

Define "tradition". (Here's to stirring up another can of worms!)

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From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:09:01 -0500
Subject: Re: FAQ + MIME Decoders

A FAQ for top 10 models, isn't that a bit silly?  To further irritate the
old geezers on the list, here are my top ten:

Montroll's Deer
Lang's Ant
Kawasaki's Sea Snail Shell
Lang's Deer (complete origami book)
Montroll's Grasshopper
Fuse's Open Frame I
Fuse's Little Turtle
// yes it's modular stuff
Montroll's Rhinoceros (Sculptures one)
Rojas' Baby Elephant
Montroll's Western Dragon

I have not folded as much as many of you out there so this will likely
change.  These folds are my favorite because they are simple but the
results are profoundly satisfying for me.  I now stick my tongue out to
those who would be so easily annoyed by this email.  For those dinosaur
lovers on the list: what in the name of god is a protocertops?  It looks
like it was hit with an ugly stick.

David





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:19:22 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

> At 17:57 99/07/12 -0400, you wrote:
> >I'd still prefer to see it folded from one un-cut square. (Preserve the
> >tradition!)
>
> Define "tradition". (Here's to stirring up another can of worms!)
>

You are EVIL!!!! :-)
Tradition is anything that you do that you don't remember the reason for. I
think he's talking about being a "purest", but that's still an annelid
enclosure. All the best-c





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:22:56 -0700
Subject: Tradition (was Re: CDO Model of the Month)

At 15:19 99/07/12 -0700, Christopher Holt wrote:
>> Define "tradition". (Here's to stirring up another can of worms!)
>
>You are EVIL!!!! :-)
>Tradition is anything that you do that you don't remember the reason for. I
>think he's talking about being a "purest", but that's still an annelid
>enclosure. All the best-c

Liked that, huh? I've been having to deal with tradition a bit too much
lately due to my upcoming wedding, so it's a topic close to my heart.

Back to the origami, I think we've established on this list that traditional
origami was often not "pure", and that "purity" is a fairly recent, mostly
Western, idealization. Search the archives, and all that. It's interesting
to note too that many so-called "traditional" designs are actually fairly
recent, and that some of them were actually designed by YAMAGUCHI Makoto
(owner of Gallery Origami House in Tokyo) when he worked at the Origami
Kaikan (Yushima no Kobayashi's "Origami Hall"). He anonymously authored a
number of simple to intermediate origami books during his tenure there.

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From: Rosalinda Sanchez <RRosalinda@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:33 -0400 (
Subject: Re: FAQ + MIME Decoders

In a message dated 7/12/99 1:15:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH writes:

<< Like Joseph said: There's always someone willing to complain about
 something. So here you are, complaining about David Lister complaining
 about repetitive questions. >>

You got the wrong impression that I was "complaining."  I just wanted to let
it be known that to some people a top ten list might be of interest.
Needless to say, not every post is going to be of interest to every person so
we all should try to be a little more tolerant and respectful of what other
people wish to discuss as long as it does have to do with Origami.  I could
go on and say that you are complaining about me complaining about David
Lister complaining, but that would be a bit ridiculous and pointless.  I
probably wouldn't have said anything at all except for the fact that he also
asked about the MIME decoder which I had a hard time tracking down myself.

Back to topic... a FAQ that would be updated on a somewhat regular basis
would be a great help to beginners and maybe even some more advanced folders
alike and if you ever get around to doing it, alot of people will sure be
thankful!!

Rosa





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:45:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Model Menu set up and breakdown

Doug Philips wrote:

<Would taking all of one's Model Menu models before one's last class of the
convention be OK? It might leave "gaps" in the Model Menu if one's last
class
is on Saturday though.

Just an off-the-cuff suggestion: Usually by breakdown time on Sunday
there are several unused tables not far from the Simple end of the
Model Menu... Why not just transfer the models remaining onto that table,
with the understanding that unless prior arrangement has been made,
models on that table will be "free game" after a set time? Move the
models and tags once. The table(s) needed could be moved into the protected
Model Menu area if need be.

-D'gou

P.S. I too will send my models in advance next year!>

Doug, I appreciate your interest and thoughtful suggestions.

Claining your models before your last class is ideal, in my opinion.

The gaps would be minimal, since they would be only for classes which have
already been conducted.  The intent of Model Menu is to assist people in
selecting the classes they will take.  Thus availability on Friday nite, and
Saturday and Sunday before ticketing is what is most crucial.  (Tho some
people do review the models throughout the day).

I can understand tho how it is easier for folks to leave them on the Model
Menu until the end of the convention.

As it is, we remove models to tables set aside and behind ropes until we
know the final destination for them.

deg farrelly





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:48:08 -0400
Subject: Re: FAQ + MIME Decoders

Rosalinda Sanchez, responding to David Lister, indited:

> I don't see what is wrong with posts regarding top ten favorite models, top
> ten favorite origami authors, top ten favorite origami books etc.  I for one
> am very interested in what other people enjoy folding and what origami books
> they enjoy reading.    I was rather disappointed that more people didn't add
> their top ten favorite models.  Most likely because they were afraid of being
> flamed by people like you who are complaining about "newbies."

Sorry, but I did not read David's email as a "flame" of any kind.

I was not afraid of being "flamed," but I've posted my top-10 list to the
origami list in the past. You can search the archives for such material if you
are so inclined.

While I agree with David, that somethings can become tiring, I agree with
Rosalinda here too, with new origami books coming out, and my own changing
tastes in models, I usually find such discussions (if they don't repeat too
quickly), enjoyable, even if I don't actively participate.

My agreement with David is mostly along the lines of netiquette. Its very easy
when new to the list (and to "the net" in general) to assume everyone uses the
same mail reader, same platform and/or OS, same quoting conventions, and on
and on. And it is easy to misread the emotional content and tone of email
messages (as apparently you and I disagree on whether David's message was a
flame even) ;-).

> This letter is not at all written to start an argument but just to let it be
> known that there ARE some people interested.  You know what, there is always
> the little key on your keyboard that says *DELETE.*  It takes more energy and
> time to complain about OUSA posts, top ten favorites, etc., than to press one
> little key.

Indeed it does. This list belongs to those who make the effort to participate.
Often when the "conversation" is boring, one's best bet is just to ignore it
(delete key, trash can, whatever) and start a "conversation" that one _is_
interested in. This forum is not serial, several conversations can be going on
simultaneously.

Aside: If one wishes to make the list more efficient, the "ignore it" option
is not usually effective.

Along the "FAQ" lines, but different....

A few folks have been working on a "welcome to the origami list" message, and
at the moment its on the back burner waiting for a pointer/URL for a good
introductory netiquette page. Does anyone have such a pointer they'd be
willing to share?

Thanks,

-D'gou





From: JacAlArt * <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:57:38 -0400 (
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

I'd still prefer to see it folded from one un-cut square. (Preserve the
tradition!)

>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month
>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:34:32 -0700
>
>At 13:17 99/07/12 -0400, D'gou wrote:
> >Joseph Wu wrote:
> >> Ah, but it's cute! I made one out of pre-cut 15 cm washi and placed it
>on
> >> the counter in the reception area of my office. No comments from guests
>yet,
> >> but the receptionist is getting VERY nervous! >8)
> >
> >Is it still there? ;-) or did it manage to "finish" over the weekend?
>
>It's still there. Apparently, there have been mixed reviews. Some "oohs"
>and
>some "ughs". 8)
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From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:43:18 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

Christopher Holt wrote:
>
> > At 17:57 99/07/12 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I'd still prefer to see it folded from one un-cut square. (Preserve the
> > >tradition!)
> >
> > Define "tradition". (Here's to stirring up another can of worms!)
> >
>
> You are EVIL!!!! :-)
> Tradition is anything that you do that you don't remember the reason for. I
> think he's talking about being a "purest", but that's still an annelid
> enclosure. All the best-c

I don't know what to crop from the foregoing... so I leave it intact.

It seems to me that tradition serves a number of purposes and to define it we
need to determine what the purpose was. Sometimes traditions can provide people
with a structure to work with. This can be comforting... it can also be
limiting. Most often issues of tradition come up either when a community is
under some sort of outside pressure (say colonization) or from external sources
(when people are disappointed to find that their understanding of a tradition is
not the same as the understanding of those who practice it). My perusal of my
collection of origami books would suggest that cutting (limited cutting) is not
forbidden in most of the early ones... There seems to be a growing tradition in
the area of modular origami, which may include the dog, or not. Perhaps one of
the folk who feel that things should be all of a piece should try to design such
a piece (love to see it). By this time, though, the art form is probably old
enough to support several 'traditions'. No?

Kim





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:32:03 -0400 (
Subject: Tradition, Tradition

Some models are definitely traditional: the Crane, the Newspaper Hat into a
boat; the Fortune Teller, the Dart, boxes, etc. Other traditional models have
not been known to paperfolders but appear unexpectedly out of a local culture
where they are known.

It seems that some models labelled "traditional" are contemporary and have
been transmitted by word of mouth (hand?). What do you think about calling
them "anonymous?"  Of course, it's a fine line that may sometimes be
difficult to draw.

All best from Florence.
