




From: Greg Foster <fostergr@MISSOURI.EDU>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:38:55 -0500
Subject: Re: A few questions [Unamuno]

On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, [iso-8859-1] Julia Plffy wrote:

> I'd also like to know more about the Origami of Miguel de Unamuno
> (ditto, biographical and bibliographical details)

I'm also new to this list (and newer to origami, I'm sure, than anyone
else on it, having just this month, at 39, revisited a childhood
fascination)--but I can at least pass on a few references from the
notes to the brief discussion of Unamuno in Peter Engel's _Origami:
>From Angel Fish to Zen_ [formerly _Folding the Universe_]):

Martin Gardner, _The 2nd Scientific American Book of Mathematical
     Puzzles and Diversions_ (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1961),
     see "Origami," pp. 174-85, and bibliography, pp. 249-250 (on
     Lewis Carroll and Miguel de Unamuno).
Vicente Palacios, _La Creacion en Papiroflexia_ (Barcelona: Editorial
     Miguel A. Salvatella, 1979), pp. 5-20, 121-140 (in Spanish; on
     Unamuno).
Samuel Randlett, _The Art of Origami_ (New York: E. P. Dutton, 1966),
     see introduction by Edward Kollop, pp. 13-19 (on Unamuno and
     Leonardo). This essay is reprinted from the catalog to "Plane
     Geometry and Fancy Figures," an exhibition of paperfolding held
     in 1959 at the Cooper Union Museum for the Arts of Decoration.

Engel also mentions that Unamuno himself wrote two treatises on
paper-folding, but I don't have bibliographical info on those.

I'll be watching for what you hear from better-informed people, too:
Unamuno is someone I had encountered only from the
literary/philosophical side, and I've been intrigued to learn of his
importance in the history of origami.

Regards,

Greg Foster





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:46:21 +0200
Subject: A few questions

Hello!

I'm new on this mail list, but quite interested. I have a few questions:

Does anyone have any information about Ligia Montoya? I loved her models in the
     first book by Robert Harbin I came across, years ago (unpardonably, I
     forgot to make a note of its title, maybe it was Secrets Of Origami). I'd
     like to know more about her lif
 , and whether there are, or once were, any Origami books by her (they don't
     have to be in English, as long as there are clear diagrams).
I'd also like to know more about the Origami of Miguel de Unamuno (ditto,
     biographical and bibliographical details)
Has anyone ever considered folding a Union Jack (with two layered sheets for
     the different colours)? Do you think it's possible? I've been pondering
     this for a long time...

Thanks for any answers...

Julia Palffy, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:55:37 -0400
Subject: Gecities TOS revised

Well, enough folk complained about the IP licensing requirement in the
TOS for geocities, that they changed it [not the first change, which
really didn't fix anything and lots of folk figured that out, too!].
Doesn't seem so onerous to me any more.  Here's the relevant section:

> Yahoo does not claim ownership of the Content you place on your Yahoo
> GeoCities Site. By submitting Content to Yahoo for inclusion on your Yahoo
> GeoCities Site, you grant Yahoo the world-wide, royalty-free, and
> non-exclusive license to reproduce, modify, adapt and publish the Content
> solely for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting your
> Yahoo GeoCities Site on Yahoo's Internet properties. This license exists
> only for as long as you continue to be a Yahoo GeoCities homesteader and
> shall be terminated at the time your Yahoo GeoCities Site is terminated.

Note that in the previous sort-of-watered-down iteration, they reserved
rights for *their* promotion and marketing [which, of course, meant that
they could do about anything they wanted and call it "marketing" [say,
starting giving away books of origami folds]], now they've made the scope
of the license a lot more limited...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:20:13 -0600
Subject: Re: Darth Maul revisited

Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> I've put a new version of the Darth Maul picture up. A little Photoshop work
> and he now has glowing eyes and lightsabre! 8)
>
> <http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Pictures/darth_maul2.gif>

Wow! cool!  Hector Rojos (and his little sister), would be proud!

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:41:15 -0400
Subject: Re: A few questions [Unamuno]

Greg Foster indited:

> Engel also mentions that Unamuno himself wrote two treatises on
> paper-folding, but I don't have bibliographical info on those.
>
> I'll be watching for what you hear from better-informed people, too:
> Unamuno is someone I had encountered only from the
> literary/philosophical side, and I've been intrigued to learn of his
> importance in the history of origami.

Unamuno has come up on the list previously. Check the archives as well as
David Lister's messages archived on the BOS web site (look under the
"European" links on BOS's "Lister" page). You can find links for the archives
and BOS site from Joseph Wu's site (http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca)

-D'gou





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:16:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Darth Maul revisited

At 13:20 99/07/08 -0600, Kim Best wrote:
>> I've put a new version of the Darth Maul picture up. A little Photoshop work
>> and he now has glowing eyes and lightsabre! 8)
>>
>> <http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Pictures/darth_maul2.gif>
>
>Wow! cool!  Hector Rojos (and his little sister), would be proud!

Well, I figured for this particular model, moving over to the Dark Side
would be appropriate. 8)

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:39:38 -0700
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

Someone (I forget who) interjected:
>> >It has been a long time since someone suggested to me
>> > that the development of my tits caused me to be an inferior mathematician

>Christopher Holt retorted:
>> I don't recall having suggested any such thing

Matthias replied:
>I think Joseph Wu's prof suggested something in that direction.

And that is totally the wrong interpretation of the research.

First of all, there was no CAUSE implied in the research, just a
CORRELATION. And the trend that was discovered was that early puberty was
linked to poorer math abilities and that late puberty was linked to better
math abilities. This correlation is true of both boys and girls, so it is
not directly related to gender.

The gender link comes in to play when you consider the biological FACT that
(on average) girls reach puberty at a younger age than boys. Because of that
fact, the correlation looks like it is based on gender, when it is actually
based on time of puberty.

In simple terms: if you reach puberty at a younger age, whether you are a
boy or a girl, you will likely have poorer math abilities. If you reach
puberty at an older age, whether you are a boy or a girl, you will likely
have better math abilities.

So kindly leave your tits inside your clothing and out of this discussion.
They had nothing to do with what I said.

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From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:50:07 -0500
Subject: Re: New Model

madawson wrote:
>
> Perry
> Hi I got into your Web Page and can see the picture of the dragon but there
> is no text or diagrams.  Am I doing something wrong?  I have Microsoft
> Windows 98 on my PC.
>
Not that I can think of, I just went and checked the site, you
click on the "1" below the models name and it should either open
the file if you have acrobat reader set up to do so or ask you
what you want to do with the file.  I don't think win 98 should
make any difference.  Just in case I will e-mail the pdf to you
privately.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:43:19 -0700
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

> >> >It has been a long time since someone suggested to me
> >> > that the development of my tits caused me to be an inferior
mathematician
>
> >Christopher Holt retorted:
> >> I don't recall having suggested any such thing
>
> Matthias replied:
> >I think Joseph Wu's prof suggested something in that direction.
>
> And that is totally the wrong interpretation of the research.

I would like to point out that onset of puberty occurs earlier in less
developed nations where k-selection determines population growth. Scramble
competition and all that. These areas are also the homes of the worst
education systems in the world. I would guess that such an effect would
factor heavily in the test results, as would the inevitability of social
bias. Who designed the test? Who was it given to? Where, when, how? You
can't determine anything of value from a test or survey unless you posess
the answers to those questions. All the best - c





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:52:07 -0600
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> In simple terms: if you reach puberty at a younger age, whether you are a
> boy or a girl, you will likely have poorer math abilities. If you reach
> puberty at an older age, whether you are a boy or a girl, you will likely
> have better math abilities.
>

Off hand I can think of a possible explaination for this.  The onset of
puberty, also marks the onset of dating.  Students who date have less
time to study math and their math abilities suffer.  Not scientific,
just off the top of my head.

> So kindly leave your tits inside your clothing and out of this discussion.

Maybe the girls with big tits have so many boyfriends, they don't have
time to do thier homework, and flunk math.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:11:18 -0500 (
Subject: Darth Maul

Joseph, I visited your web site but could not find the link to the Darth
Maul pictures.  Are they in your gallery or where?  Could you please send
me the actually url's of the Darth Maul pictures?  Thanks

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:24:19 -0700
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

At 16:43 99/07/08 -0700, you wrote:
>I would like to point out that onset of puberty occurs earlier in less
>developed nations where k-selection determines population growth. Scramble
>competition and all that. These areas are also the homes of the worst
>education systems in the world. I would guess that such an effect would
>factor heavily in the test results, as would the inevitability of social
>bias. Who designed the test? Who was it given to? Where, when, how? You
>can't determine anything of value from a test or survey unless you posess
>the answers to those questions. All the best - c

Good questions, although your first point is not relevant. As far as I can
remember (my psych degree was finished in 1992), the studies were done in
North America. I don't have my notes any more, and a perusal of the psych
department website at my university shows that most of my old profs don't
have webpages, so I can't look them up to ask them about it (I don't
remember which prof it was, either). A further web search on the topic
turned up little of value.

In any event, I brought up this point (couched in the most tentative of
terms to try to show that it was just a hypothesis) to cast doubt on the
premise that gender relates to math ability. Obviously someone misread /
misunderstood it and chose to get upset about it. I suggest reading a little
more carefully in the future.

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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:08:54 -0700
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

>
> Good questions, although your first point is not relevant. As far as I can
> remember (my psych degree was finished in 1992), the studies were done in
> North America.

Actually even in North America, one would expect puberty to occur earlier in
homes or areas where diet is significantly lower (ie: poverty stricken areas
where the same type of (k) selection take place, and also where
traditionally the worst funded schools in the nation reside). In more
wealthy areas where an abundance of nutrition can be readily maintained (and
schools are well funded) development is more driven by selection based upon
optimal carrying capacity, and therefore it is beneficial for puberty to
occur later. Add to that an economic system that benefits by keeping the two
groups seperate, and the effect is magnified somewhat. Within this group, I
think that the volume of responses in this arena, and the inclusion of
numerous postings within each post has clouded the issue to the point that
it is hard to tell who is saying what anymore. I believe that many people
are either being misinterpreted or feeling misinterpreted.It's funny how a
well-intentioned posting could be picked up, passed on and distorted like
spin-art in all directions. I don't want to see this end up a discussion of
sociobiology, though it's all primed to head that way now, 'cuz that's due
to become a festering conversational sore. All the best!!-c





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:38:47 +0100
Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

J. Blackman <blackman@XS4ALL.NL> sez

>This paper has the colour of cardboard boxes, is odourless
>and stronger than ordinary paper.

But does it taste as nice as rice paper?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: "J. Blackman" <blackman@XS4ALL.NL>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:43:35 +0200
Subject: Elephant dung paper

In Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad of 7-7 I read about a paper factory in
Malawi that produces paper exclusively out of waste materials: sugar cane,
sisal, banana, pineapple (very thin paper, the colour of champagne) and
elephant dung. This paper has the colour of cardboard boxes, is odourless
and stronger than ordinary paper. One kilo of dung makes about 10 sheets.
The raw material is gathered in Liwonde National Park and the money raised
also helps to protect the animals - in 4 years the population has grown
from less than 300 to 400 elephants. Elephant paper is becoming popular
with tourists; you can still take home part of the elephant, even though
ivory is banned.





From: Morgana <morgana@AIRTEL.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:19:56 +0200
Subject: My new adress

Dear list

I subscribe my new e.mail adress.

With regards
Nicolas Jenson





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:19:59 +0200
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

Christopher Holt wrote:
>
> >It has been a long time since someone suggested to me
> > that the development of my tits caused me to be an inferior mathematician
> >
>
> I don't recall having suggested any such thing
I think Joseph Wu's prof suggested something in that direction.

Matthias





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:31:34 -0400
Subject: Re: The Evolution of Origami Ungulates webpage

Well done. Joseph. Your water buffalo model is still one of my favorites.
Now I am expecting your own Chinese zodiac...

Sy Chen - born in the year of ox

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:41 PM
Subject: The Evolution of Origami Ungulates webpage

>I've just uploaded the webpage talking about the design of my rhino and
>buffalo models. Not all of the photos are there yet, but the crease
patterns
>are done. Take a look at
><http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Gallery/ungulate.html>.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
>t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
>w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:36:49 -0400
Subject: Re: The Evolution of Origami Ungulates webpage

Sy Chen indited:

+Well done. Joseph. Your water buffalo model is still one of my favorites.
+Now I am expecting your own Chinese zodiac...
+
+Sy Chen - born in the year of ox

Well done.  Luckily, being born in the year of the rat, I needn't wait, since
Eric Joisel has already provided a wonderful model! ;-)

Not that I'll object if Joseph (or anyone else) comes up with their own
Chinese Zodiac.

Of course, I'd rather see models of subjects not yet done.

On that note, check out the CDO website's model of the month! What a hoot!

(Get to CDO via some URL I can't recall, I just use Joseph's web site to find
everything (http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/).

-D'gou





From: Scott Fuller <scottf@EXIS.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:49:35 -0400
Subject: looking to join/start a local group

Hey all.  I've been watching the latest discussions with interest, and I
hate to break in with such a bland request, but I'm looking to start or
join a folding group.  I live in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia (I live
in Suffolk, Virginia, to be exact).  Sure, TOFU is about three hours away,
and DC's group is four hours, but I was kinda hoping that I could find
someone or some group closer than that.  If anyone could point me in the
right direction, I'd be much obliged!

Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion of gender and test scores! :)

Sleeping through the vida loca,

Scott Fuller
scottf@exis.net





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:56:13 -0500
Subject: delightful model

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear O-listers:
        In case you haven't visited Perry Bailey's web page lately, I'd like to
recommend it to you.  His new "Cartoon Dragon" is a wonderful model.  I
taught it at one of my origami clubs and everyone loved it.  One girl folded
it in glow-in-the-dark paper.  It looked great in daylight; I bet it looked
even better in the dark!  I've spent the last two days doing suminagashi
especially for this model, trying to come up with paper that suggested
dragon skin/scales.  (Perry, I'm sending you some this week.)
                Anita F, Barbour





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:53:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Women and origami

Hi Dave Mitchell!

I'd also like to add our own Florence Temko for her involvement as one
of the four founding members of the Friends of the Origami Center of
America (FOCA) and for her substantial contributions to the world of
origami as a teacher and author.

I took the liberty of expanding your original subject to include my own
observations when I was working on "Folding California", regarding the
preponderance of male origami designers. I am sorry for the silliness
that my question generated.

The paucity of women designers was briefly discussed at the designers'
roundtable at Convention98.  I think it would be extremely apropos to
explore this issue in depth at OrigamiUSA's millennium convention.

Dorothy





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:34:53 -0400 (
Subject: Re: looking to join/start a local group

I too am new to the list.  I have started a group in Mechanicsville, VA, just
east of Richmond. It has met irregularly in the past but I hope to become
more reliable this summer.  We meet at Ben Franklin's on RT. 360.  More info
to come about time and dates.





From: Xuxa Rojas <RojasXu@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 07:56:20 -0400 (
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

As proud she-male, I must agree and disagree with everybody





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:08:30 +0100
Subject: Mammaries, may be beautiful and yet...

Now you may call me a wee bit hypocritical, but are we not getting too
far off-topic with all this male/female discussion? Bad enough learning
about the lifestyle of every rhino in the known world, but the current
thread simply invites people to trot out their prejudices &
psychological theories at great length.

It's inevitably divisive and isn't going to attract any more females
into the BOS, which is my goal in life (too many ugly blokes eh Penny?).

Instead, lets talk about Kuni Kasahara, who represents for me the finest
origami ideals to be found. I vote for his Creative Origami" as one of
the most important origami books ever published.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:11:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Darth Maul revisited

That's a great Darth Maul!

Origami->Star Wars:

"Luke, you don't know the power of modular origami!"

"Is the modular side stronger?"  "No.  Only quicker, more seductive."

"You will pay for your lack of vision!"

"Your feeble folding skills are no match for the power of modular origami!"

"But I can make open sinks!"  "But you can't make closed sinks."  /*Bet you
guys can't guess which one this is from*/





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:52:00 +0100
Subject: Eric Joisel (was RE: The Evolution of Origami Ungulates webpage)

Are any of Eric Joisel's diagrams available anywhere? I showed some of the
convention pictures (on the site sent round yesterday) to my work colleagues
and they were very impressed.

(The cartoon rats & masks in particular).
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

> ----------
> From:         Doug Philips[SMTP:dwp@TRANSARC.COM]
> Reply To:     Origami List
> Sent:         09 July 1999 04:36
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: The Evolution of Origami Ungulates webpage
>
> Sy Chen indited:
>
> +Well done. Joseph. Your water buffalo model is still one of my favorites.
> +Now I am expecting your own Chinese zodiac...
> +
> +Sy Chen - born in the year of ox
>
> Well done.  Luckily, being born in the year of the rat, I needn't wait,
> since
> Eric Joisel has already provided a wonderful model! ;-)
>
> Not that I'll object if Joseph (or anyone else) comes up with their own
> Chinese Zodiac.
>
> Of course, I'd rather see models of subjects not yet done.
>
> On that note, check out the CDO website's model of the month! What a hoot!
>
> (Get to CDO via some URL I can't recall, I just use Joseph's web site to
> find
> everything (http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/).
>
> -D'gou





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:26:59 +0200
Subject: Re: delightful model

Dear Anita,

I'm curious: can you explain to me what suminagashi is (besides a hole in my
     Japanese culture) ?

Thanks,

Julia from Switzerland

-----Original Message-----
From:   Spider Barbour [SMTP:spider@ULSTER.NET]
Sent:   vendredi, 9. juillet 1999 06:56
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        delightful model

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear O-listers:
        In case you haven't visited Perry Bailey's web page lately, I'd like to
recommend it to you.  His new "Cartoon Dragon" is a wonderful model.  I
taught it at one of my origami clubs and everyone loved it.  One girl folded
it in glow-in-the-dark paper.  It looked great in daylight; I bet it looked
even better in the dark!  I've spent the last two days doing suminagashi
especially for this model, trying to come up with paper that suggested
dragon skin/scales.  (Perry, I'm sending you some this week.)
                Anita F, Barbour





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:00:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Recommend  [ O-books ] bats.

Michael LaFosse's "Happy Good Luck Bat" and Tom Hull's "Flapping bat"
comes to mind immediately :)

> -----Original Message-----
>
<SNIP>
> Finally, apart from Harbin's and Rhoads' bats does anyone know of other
> 'good' origami bats?
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Doug Mills





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:35:23 +0200
Subject: No more apologies (too long for comfort)

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and will now only play on the Clar.i.NET

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Thoki Yenn and Vidio Bornholm=20
has decided to cut out the middleman
he was eating up the already meager profit
on my beautifull video, shame on him.

Therefore I have added the Promotion Page=20
with the review by John Smith of London
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have a good look at it.
The Videot is only  US$ 30.00 for one copy,
if you are interrested in buying several copies
send an e-mail to Helge Ramussen=20
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I have also added my latest attempt=20
to combine cutting and folding as
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www.thok.dk\kirigami.html

And it will not hurt you or harm your children
to have a look at my Homepage
www.thok.dk

Regards from the great and glorious

Kalmon van Balticum

Thok 99 want me to put in his endnote:
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20

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I have also added my latest attempt=20
to combine cutting and folding as
KIRI ORI CHOCHO to my KIRIGAMI CLOUD
www.thok.dk\kirigami.html

And it will not hurt you or harm your children
to have a look at my Homepage
www.thok.dk





From: Eileen Tan <eileen@TRISTAN.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:05:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Recommend O-books

Hi,

  IIRC, there was a reprint of this book recently - I remember getting
mine from the Fascinating Folds website (www.fascinating-folds.com).

Eileen

> 'Origami for the Connoisseur' is the English version of 'Top Origami'.
> It's an excellent book, and one of a 'set' of four books by Kasahara.
> Unfortunately, they are out of print. If anybody knows where they can be
> bought, I believe Dave Walker, who is lurking somewhere on this list,
> would also like to know.





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:10:14 +0100
Subject: Women and origami

Elsje van der ploeg, wrote:

>Thats why -I think- in Holland, Belgium most paperfolders are women.
>And thats why you often hear in Holland and Belgium that
>paperfolding is for children. We even have the verb "freubelen" from
>Froebel that stands
>for doing something complicated and unimportant.

Thanks for this insight, Elsje!

This is really the kind of information I was after in raising the subject.
All I had in mind was that some origami societies seem to attract more men
than women and others more women than men. I just wondered why.

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:.

>Here in the states, things have evolved differently. Two very important
>people in our history Lillian Oppenheimer and Alice Gray are women, and
>even today, there are more women than men on OUSA's Board of Directors (and
>this includes most of the executive commitee, even our president).

Thanks also Marc.

Likewise, when the BOS began, Iris Walker was one of the leading lights,
both in terms of organisation - she was the first mag editor - and
creativity - for example her two piece ball, cannon, car etc. Though, I
suppose, even at that time she was heavily outnumbered by the men.

I wonder whether these differences are just purely historical? Or do the
nature of the organisations themselves institutionalise these differences
through time?

Dave Mitchell - so many questions, so few answers!





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:19:47 -0700 (
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek

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From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:45:44 -0500
Subject: CDO Model of the Month

Doug Philips wrote:

> On that note, check out the CDO website's model of the month! What a hoot!

Here is the URL    http://195.31.193.71:80/cdo/modelli/mese0799.html

Very Funny.....Thanks Doug for pointing this out to the group! It made me laugh!

Kathy





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:59:15 -0500
Subject: Suminagashi

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear Julia --
        You asked:  "can you explain to me what suminagashi is?"
        It is the Japanese art of marbling on paper or silk.  It is incredibly
     easy
to do and you can get astonishing results on your very first try.  In order
not to bore those on the list who may not be interested, let me know if
you'd like a description of the technique and materials and I'll write to
you off-list.  Anyone else who is interested is welcome to the info -- just
let me know.    Anita





From: Peter Mielke <peter@DOE.UTORONTO.CA>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:57:52 -0400
Subject: origami related cartoon in "Raw Material"

Just saw this in the newspaper a few days ago:

http://www.creators.com/comics/compage/raw/raw7699.gif





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julia_P=E0lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:33:26 +0200
Subject: Re: Recommend O-books

Hello Doug,

Maybe I can help you here? I have some books to recommend if you can obtain
     them anywhere. They are all in Japanese, so all I can read in them are the
     diagrams, but there are loads of those and they're absolutely worth the
     purchase if you can order Japane
 e books somewhere in your area.

The first is called Top Origami, and I believe it is the original Japanese
     version of Origami for the Connoisseur (I found that out when I wanted to
     get Origami for the Connoisseur myself, and saw it had exactly the same
     cover as Top Origami, which I alre
 dy had). Iif you enjoy challenging origami then do try to get it. It contains
     lots of modular origami with some interesting mathematical theorems, some
     really beautiful seashells and roses by Kawasaki Toshikazu, and various
     animals, dinosaurs and insects
 b

Top Origami, by Toshie Takahama and Kunihiko Kawasaki, is published by Sanrio,
     ISBN 4-387-85096-5

There are also three companion volumes to it (all in Japanese in spite of
     Spanish titles, but all to be equally recommended):
* Viva Origami , by Maekawa Jun and Kunihiko Kasahara, ISBN 4-387-83008-5
* Origami: la Era Nueva, by Kunihiko Kasahara, ISBN 4-387-89167-X
* Origami: el Mundo Nuevo, by Kunihiko Kasahara, ISBN 4-387-89254-4

And finally, if you want some fine bats (and other animals that look as if they
     were going to skip off the page), I'd like to recommend one simply gorjus
     book by Akira Yoshizawa (still in Japanese).

* [Unreadable title in Japanese, something with NHK], copyright Akira Yoshizawa
     1984,
ISBN 4-14-031028-6

All these books were copyrighted between 1983 and 1989, so I hope they are
     still in print; if they are, and your bookseller is a smart and
     conscientious one, the ISBN number should be enough to identify and order
     the books.

I hope you'll be able to find them and enjoy them.

Regards,

Julia from Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

-----Original Message-----
From:   Doug Mills [SMTP:djmills@INTERACT.NET.AU]
Sent:   vendredi, 9. juillet 1999 10:42
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Recommend O-books

The net has given me great opportunities to purchase previously
unobtainable (for me) Origami books but sadly reviews of many of the
books are lacking.  I'd really like to know more about some of the dozens
of titles available before committing my lesser-valued AUS$ to US$.  I'd
be grateful if folk could offer their opinions on the following books.
Email me directly if you feel so inclined.  Maybe I can then re-post some
of the comments anonymously on request.

Origami for the Connoisseur       - Kasahara/Takahama
Jurassic Origami                  - Edwin
Origami Animals                   - Kitamura
Origami Dinosaurs                 - Momotani
Birds in Origami                  - Montroll
Animal Origami for the Enthusiast - Montroll

anything by Fumiaki Kawahata

Also, I have a vague chilhood memory of folding Rhoads' Elephant.  Not
difficult to fold but beautifully elegant.  Is this in one of Randletts
books?  If so, which one.  Obviously I don't have it so I'd like to know
where I might get a copy.

Finally, apart from Harbin's and Rhoads' bats does anyone know of other
'good' origami bats?

Many thanks,
Doug Mills





From: italic <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:34:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Suminagashi

Wouldn't you want to see examples?  Many books cover the technique.  If your
library doesn't have one there's ILL-
JMS

> I Am Curious Yellow...or Marbled about this technique.  Could you just
> email me the instructions, so you don't have to bother your snail.  If
> not, here's my address:





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:50:47 -0400
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

> Here is the URL    http://195.31.193.71:80/cdo/modelli/mese0799.html
>
> Very Funny.....Thanks Doug for pointing this out to the group! It made me
     laugh!

In all fairness, it was a lurker on this list who reminded me of the model of
the month.

Its their most interesting model to date, I think.

-D'gou





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:23:25 -0400
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

It would be poetic to make the CDO model out of the elephant dung paper, no?
Scott





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:32:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Recommend O-books

Thanks for Koh's information about Jurassic Origami. As being a one-piece
nut I would prefer buying dinosaur origami book by Ronald Koh. I am too ???
to wait.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Recommend O-books

>Doug Mills wrote:
>
>>
>> Origami for the Connoisseur       - Kasahara/Takahama
>> Jurassic Origami                  - Edwin
>
>
>Jurassic Origami was written by Edwin Ee. Most of the dinosaurs are
>folded from two pieces od paper, but look pretty neat. It is a good buy
>if you are into compound origami. I must admit to a little nationalistic
>biase here, as Edwin is a fellow Singaporean. I still see it at some of
>the local bookshops.





From: Doug Mills <djmills@INTERACT.NET.AU>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:42:26 +1000
Subject: Recommend O-books

The net has given me great opportunities to purchase previously
unobtainable (for me) Origami books but sadly reviews of many of the
books are lacking.  I'd really like to know more about some of the dozens
of titles available before committing my lesser-valued AUS$ to US$.  I'd
be grateful if folk could offer their opinions on the following books.
Email me directly if you feel so inclined.  Maybe I can then re-post some
of the comments anonymously on request.

Origami for the Connoisseur       - Kasahara/Takahama
Jurassic Origami                  - Edwin
Origami Animals                   - Kitamura
Origami Dinosaurs                 - Momotani
Birds in Origami                  - Montroll
Animal Origami for the Enthusiast - Montroll

anything by Fumiaki Kawahata

Also, I have a vague chilhood memory of folding Rhoads' Elephant.  Not
difficult to fold but beautifully elegant.  Is this in one of Randletts
books?  If so, which one.  Obviously I don't have it so I'd like to know
where I might get a copy.

Finally, apart from Harbin's and Rhoads' bats does anyone know of other
'good' origami bats?

Many thanks,
Doug Mills





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:25:05 +0200
Subject: (NO) Re: Women and origami

Joseph Wu wrote:
> In simple terms: if you reach puberty at a younger age, whether you are a
> boy or a girl, you will likely have poorer math abilities. If you reach
> puberty at an older age, whether you are a boy or a girl, you will likely
> have better math abilities.
I'd like to see proof that all excellent mathematicians (or a
statistically significant part of them) reached puberty late.

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:25:39 +0200
Subject: (NO) Re: Women and origami

Joseph Wu wrote:
> Good questions, although your first point is not relevant. As far as I can
> remember (my psych degree was finished in 1992), the studies were done in
> North America. I don't have my notes any more, and a perusal of the psych
> department website at my university shows that most of my old profs don't
> have webpages, so I can't look them up to ask them about it (I don't
> remember which prof it was, either). A further web search on the topic
> turned up little of value.
I'm a bit disappointed. If this is a valid theory, I'm sure you can give
us some references that we can look up for ourselves.

In  a way, this theory reminds me of earlier research that proved why
women are only fit for simple household chores, but never for science:
their brain is smaller than that of men!

Matthias, scientifically challenged





From: Ho <gmjkho@PRIMUS.COM.AU>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:33:20 +0800
Subject: Women and origami

This is an interesting topic which can be viewed from different angles.
I guess we can also feel differently at various stage of our life.

1.  My grandmother was my first teacher in paperfolding .
2.  I was inspired by a lady patient who taught me the crane the first time.
Origami became my hobby.
3.  In hospital,  once I taught a lady how to fold a fish.  Next morning I
got three in return.
4.  In the internet, there have been men and women who e-mailed me to share
the benefits of origami.
     Feedbacks from men were  usually brief while those from women were more
descriptive. Thankyou both.
5.  At home, I fold more than my wife.  However, when I get stuck with a new
model she helps.
6.  I like unit origami most because each unit is complementary with each
other to form something beautiful.  Every unit is equally important.
     (e.g. Thoki Yenn's Magic Rings, Tom Hull's PH Zig-zag Unit and Tomoko
Fuse's boxes.)

Just to share.

George Ho

***************************************************
Origami & Mental Health Therapy
http://members.xoom.com/gmjkho/home.html

back-up email :   george_ho@yawmail.com





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:58:28 +0800
Subject: Re: Recommend O-books

Doug Mills wrote:

>
> Origami for the Connoisseur       - Kasahara/Takahama
> Jurassic Origami                  - Edwin

Jurassic Origami was written by Edwin Ee. Most of the dinosaurs are
folded from two pieces od paper, but look pretty neat. It is a good buy
if you are into compound origami. I must admit to a little nationalistic
biase here, as Edwin is a fellow Singaporean. I still see it at some of
the local bookshops.

'Origami for the Connoisseur' is the English version of 'Top Origami'.
It's an excellent book, and one of a 'set' of four books by Kasahara.
Unfortunately, they are out of print. If anybody knows where they can be
bought, I believe Dave Walker, who is lurking somewhere on this list,
would also like to know.

> Also, I have a vague childhood memory of folding Rhoads' Elephant.  Not
     difficult to fold but beautifully elegant.  Is this in one of Randletts
     books?  If so, which one.

It's in Randlett's 'The Best of Origami', page 134. This book was
published in the early 1970's, and I wouldn't know if it has been
reprinted recently.

Regards.





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:50:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Pet peeves?

Like it or not OUSA, like BOS or Origami Deutchland, is a major part of the
Origami world and as such is often a necessary sorce of comment or news.
This list is about ALL FACETS of Origami, is it not??????

: - )

MASD

-----Original Message-----
From: Juan P. Fernandez <jpf@DAISY.PHAST.UMASS.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 5:03 PM
Subject: Pet peeves?

>So what are our top ten hates regarding this
>list?  I do not have ten, thank the Gods, but
>I have a few:
>
>1)  The neverending OUSA thread
>2)  Messages saying "Please unsubscribe me"
>3)  Replies featuring long quoted paragraphs
>4)  Fights between members
>
>That is all for now.  Thanks for listening.
>
>jp





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:15:33 -0700
Subject: Re: General OUSA 99 Comments.

Deg -
 Thanks for your clarification.  i didn't realize that there was any
advantage (on the planning end) to having the models sent in early.  I
actually thought it was better to bring it myself so that no one would have
to store it or transport it from the museum to FIT.  Next year I will send
mine ahead.

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson

-----Original Message-----
From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: General OUSA 99 Comments.

>Doug Phillips wrote:
>
><Model Menu:
>The model menu was well done. Thanks to deg and his volunteers! I must
>say that it was rather crowded, and deg and co. did a great job of
>getting everything to fit (getting everything to F.I.T. is a different
>matter, but I digress). I don't see many alternatives, since there
>isn't a whole lot of room to make the model menu bigger, and the only
>option would be to start limiting the number of classes taught.  Since
>the model menu has to be viewed from a distance, reducing the size of
>the models would not be an option, IMHO.>
>
>A little more information about Model Menu in general:
>
>Model Menu displays about 150 models (I counted 144 this year), organized
by
>1) difficulty level (Simple, Intermediate, Complex); 2) Class day (Saturday
>or Sunday) and 3) Class meeting time (10:00, 11:00, 2:00, 3:00, 4:00., each
>with an accompanying card that IDs the model by name and lists the
designer,
>teacher, class time, and difficulty level (differentiating Low Intermediate
>and High Intermediate, for example.  All displayed in 72 linear feet of
>tables.
>
>To accommodate variances in how models need to be seen (some display better
>laid flat, others at "eye level") the display is constructed as stairsteps.
>
>This year we had more than enough space for Simple models, but were really
>cramped for the Intermediate.  Next year we will add another 12 feet of
>display space for the Intermediate models, and cut back the space for
Simple
>(Unless there are more Simple models taught)
>
>The crush of attendees clamoring to examine models is one of the reasons
>that we have set the models off with theatre ropes.  Unlike Exhibition,
>which people can visit at various times of day, there is a tremendous
demand
>to view the models on Friday nite, and Saturday morning, so that attendees
>can select the classes they are going to take.
>
>We have a total of 7 hours to set up Model Menu, including moving tables
>into place, setting up the display steps, unwrapping and placing all the
>models, hanging signage and being prepared for the crowd.
>
>My thanx to those who sent their models ahead so that they could be
>organized for placement!
>
>deg farrelly
>StickmanAZ@aol.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:53:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Suminagashi

> you off-list.  Anyone else who is interested is welcome to the info --
just
> let me know.    Anita

I'm intrigued, and would love the instructions. All the best-c





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:40:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

Well, makes perfect sense to make paper out of elephant dung. The stuff is
basically straight vegetable fiber that has been partially broken
down/fermented in gastic juices. And since fermentation can be an
alternative to using a hollander for preparing fiber for papermaking....

You might be able to make paper from horse manure too, but I haven't heard
of anyone who has tried this. Perhaps it wouldn't have the same market value
:->.

pat slider.

> Date:    Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:43:35 +0200
> From:    "J. Blackman" <blackman@XS4ALL.NL>
> Subject: Elephant dung paper
>
> In Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad of 7-7 I read about a paper factory in
> Malawi that produces paper exclusively out of waste materials: sugar cane,
> sisal, banana, pineapple (very thin paper, the colour of champagne) and
> elephant dung. This paper has the colour of cardboard boxes, is odourless
> and stronger than ordinary paper. One kilo of dung makes about 10 sheets.
> The raw material is gathered in Liwonde National Park and the money raised
> also helps to protect the animals - in 4 years the population has grown
> from less than 300 to 400 elephants. Elephant paper is becoming popular
> with tourists; you can still take home part of the elephant, even though
> ivory is banned.





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:48:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Suminagashi

Anne Chamber's "Suminagashi" is a good title on the subject. It was turning
up in large quantities at all the remainder book sources last year so I
expect it wouldn't be too hard or expensive to find a copy still. Try
http://www.hamiltonbook.com for one. And if you get serious Magnolia sells
supplies (and probably this book and others):

http://www.artfolio.com/magnolia

(If you are in the bay area, you might watch Magnolia for interesting
papermaking/paper decorating classes.)

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:03:55 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

At 17:59 99/07/09 -0400, you wrote:
>Used multiple sheets. No fair!

Ah, but it's cute! I made one out of pre-cut 15 cm washi and placed it on
the counter in the reception area of my office. No comments from guests yet,
but the receptionist is getting VERY nervous! >8)

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:11:41 -0700
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

At one of Mark Kennedy's monthly meetings last year he had a life sized
(puppy) version sitting on his coffee table.

Howard Portugal
Critical Problem Resolution - NT Escalation (CPR/NT)

> * howardpo@microsoft.com
> *Wk: 425/704-4078
> *Pgr: Urgent V-Mail
>
It might look like I m doing nothing, but at the cellular level I m really
quite busy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Wu [mailto:josephwu@ULTRANET.CA]
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 3:04 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month
>
>
> At 17:59 99/07/09 -0400, you wrote:
> >Used multiple sheets. No fair!
>
> Ah, but it's cute! I made one out of pre-cut 15 cm washi and
> placed it on
> the counter in the reception area of my office. No comments
> from guests yet,
> but the receptionist is getting VERY nervous! >8)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Valerie Kull <VKull@ENVIRONCORP.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:49:13 -0400
Subject: Kuni Kasahara

Nick, I read with interest your remark that "Kuni Kasahara ... represents
for me the finest origami ideals to be found." What do you think are the
best origami ideals (also an open question to the List)? I'd like to expand
my appreciation of origami from merely, "Gosh, that really looks a lot like
a rhino/bat/Darth Maul mask/whatever" (and I gotta tell you, nobody likes to
hear me say that the model looks a lot like a whatever ;-)  ). Usefully, I
do happen to own a copy of Kuni Kasahara's Creative Origami.

Valerie Kull





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:21:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Women and Origami

I have my own theory about why there seem to be more
men than women creators and authors of origami books,
etc.  Part of it has to do with the role of caregivers
women perform and how this sometimes saps most of their
energy.  How many of you men out there spend any signif
icant time nurturing children or; taking care of elderly
parents; doing the daily chores around the house; working
at full time jobs or careers and still have the energy to
pursue a hobby to any great degree?  I don't have a full
time job, but I'm part of the group of women who call them
selves the "sandwich generation" and I do origami when I
can fit it between the needs of others who depend on me.  I
don't have freedom to spend the kind of time I'd like on art
and crafts that I would like to do.

Just my two cents,
Ria





From: JacAlArt * <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:59:46 -0400 (
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

Used multiple sheets. No fair!

>From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month
>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:23:25 -0400
>
>It would be poetic to make the CDO model out of the elephant dung paper,
>no?
>Scott

_______________________________________________________________
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From: "Llana L. Harmon" <llharmon@PRIMENET.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:19:44 -0700
Subject: Elephant paper

Nick Robinson wrote:

>Date:    Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:38:47 +0100
>From:    Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
>Subject: Re: Elephant dung paper

>J. Blackman <blackman@XS4ALL.NL> sez

>>This paper has the colour of cardboard boxes, is odourless
>>and stronger than ordinary paper.

>But does it taste as nice as rice paper?

Hey Nick,

I'm not an authority, however my limited experience suggests that -- If
its brown, then it probably tastes brown.  Just ask anyone who is not
"from the land down under" and has tried "vegemite."

Then again, I could just be "digestively challenged," as well as
"directionally challenged."  But, if you are asking J.Blackman to taste
the elephant paper, wouldn't that put him in risk of becoming
handicrapped too?

Happy folding,

Dave





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:20:14 -0400 (
Subject: Re: CDO Model of the Month

And speaking of Mark Kennedy and this model:

Mark modeled his version of the dog as a hat at the last Southeastern Origami
Festival in Charlotte, NC last fall.  He opened the body and placed it on his
head and wore it like a hat.  What made this so unusual and funny?  He wore
pins he had made of origami flies on his shoulders, chest and back which were
"attracted" by the dog and it's (ahem) body function!  People didn't really
understand what all the laughter was all about until they got a closer look.
It was really hilarious!!

June





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:16:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Women and Origami

Ria Sutter indited:

+      Part of it has to do with the role of caregivers
+women perform and how this sometimes saps most of their
+energy.

That makes a lot of sense, and meshes with my personal experiences.
Well said!

At various times when I've lived single, I hired a service to do my
housework for me (amazing how little that costs!), and did other things
to simplify my life so that I'd have the time for the things I wanted
to do. At none of those times was I a caregiver.

-D'gou





From: Leeh McArthur <Lamms@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:33:35 -0400 (
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: Women and origami

In a message dated 7/9/99 7:02:45 AM EST, RojasXu@aol.com writes:

<< As proud she-male, I must agree and disagree with everybody
  >>
Thank you!!! I needed that.

Leeh in Seattle





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:20:00 -0400 (
Subject: Re: SIDECAP (Urgent)

Can you use the flat army hat worn by US soldiers?  Try the one in Isao
Honda's book The World of Origami on p. 51.
Thanks for the info.  Barbara





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:58:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Book

At 08:20 AM 7/10/99 +0800, Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG> wrote:

>Is there really a market out there for my king of stuff? I tried
>compiling some of my origami for a book about 5-6 years back, when a
>local publisher showed interest. But his this did not quite work out.
>Other publishers I approached were generally wary of the market
>potential, as my work was considered too difficult for the uninitiated.

This is an interesting question, which I think has been answered through
the publishing of Robert Lang's "Origami Insects and Their Kin" (arguably
the most difficult assortment of models to fold in a commercial origami
publication). From what I gathered from speaking with Robert at the OUSA
Convention, sales for this book were not that much less than for his more
"commercial" output. He probably did not make as much money with it (like
there is money to be made in the first place), as he went with Dover as a
publisher (who do not seem to pay as well as most other publishers, but I
get the impression it is easier to send an origami book their way than with
others). I really think it is less a question of difficulty, and more of a
question of how much appeal the models have. The uninitiated just might
assume that since it is origami, it can not be too difficult. With dinosaur
models still maintaining their momentum of popularity, I would imagine a
collection of Koh dinos would be very appealing to the general public. As I
am about to market a book of purely "difficult" models (well, at least I
did not think they were too hard), I will keep you posted on what sort of
resistance I get from publishers.

Marc





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:23:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Eric Joisel (was RE: The Evolution of Origami Ungulates webpage)

At 08:52 AM 7/9/99 +0100, Allan findlay
<a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK> wrote:
>Are any of Eric Joisel's diagrams available anywhere?

Diagrams for the rat were printed in a recent BOS magazine (back issues are
probably available), and a few other diagrams of his were published in a
recent French convention program. I get the impression he does not want to
diagram much of his work, as they involve a lot of 3-d shaping, and would
be difficult to diagram.

Marc





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:20:44 +0800
Subject: Origami Book

Shi-Yew Chen wrote:

Thanks for Koh's information about Jurassic Origami. As being a
one-piece nut I would prefer buying dinosaur origami book by Ronald Koh.
I am too
??? to wait.

Thanks for the compliments.

Is there really a market out there for my king of stuff? I tried
compiling some of my origami for a book about 5-6 years back, when a
local publisher showed interest. But his this did not quite work out.
Other publishers I approached were generally wary of the market
potential, as my work was considered too difficult for the uninitiated.
I have actually all but given up on doing a book for now, largely due to
the usual pressures of working live. I have been faithfully diagramming,
though .... one can always dream of the day when all things are
possible!
