




From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:14:20 -0700
Subject: Re: sort of origami

>         Origami Chips!  Special dipping chips!  Each one hand-folded by
experts!
>
> Although that might be a turn-off rather than a come-on.  What do you
think?
>  Will I make a million?  Chips, maybe, not dollars!       Anita

Actually, I've used tortillas and wantons (very large) folded into cranes
and fried in a mesh mold (to keep the shape as they cook) to present salads.
Ginger salad in a crane wanton invariably draws an united intake of breath
from all around, but millions--heck, I was lucky to make rent every month
back when I was doing that kind of thing. I suppose that thinly sliced
pieces of suitably sized potato cross-sections could be cooked up, but with
trimming and folding time, you'll be spending about two minutes per chip,
which would make them cost-prohibitive on a large market scale. You could
impress your friends and neighbors on special occasions, though.





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:32:23 -0500
Subject: sort of origami

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Hi fellow folders!  Welcome home, all you conventioneers!
        My hubby and I just finished a lunch of chips, hummus and salsa, and I
noticed that the chips that held up best were curved or bent.  Flat ones
broke.  So here's an idea for all you snack food industry entrepreneurs:

        Origami Chips!  Special dipping chips!  Each one hand-folded by experts!

Although that might be a turn-off rather than a come-on.  What do you think?
 Will I make a million?  Chips, maybe, not dollars!       Anita





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:39:31 -0400
Subject: Re: A Second Book for Children

My Modern Origami is good for a xecond book for children on the way to
learning origami.  It hs been around for almost 30 years, and has recently
been reprinted by Dover, which is inexpensive to buy--about ten dollars.
One should start in the beginning and proceed chapter by chapter, since the
basics are given in the beginnning and chapters are organized by basic
folds.  One of the key chapters is for the eight point star, which when
unfolded step by step can be folded into many simple designs.  The designs
are purposely abstract and avoid unnecessary details, making the folding
simpler for beginners.  But I find that some of the figures can be tricky.
I have forgotten how to fold many of the designs, and trying to follow the
directions I find can sometimes be trying.  But therre are mkanyh
attractive desins which make the effort worthwile.  James M. Sakoda





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:44:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Modern Origami - 1969 Edition

>Dear Mr Sakoda:
>
>Just thought I should drop a line to say that I am happy to know that
>you are well and still active in origami. I bought a copy of 'Modern
>Origami' - I think it was the second origami book I purchased, after
>Robert Harbin's 'Secrets of Origami' - sometime in the early 1970's. I
>still have the book, published by Simon and Schuster in 1969, and
>retailed then at US$2.95!
>
>It has been some years since I last opened the book, but it was very
>much a source of inspiration to me during my early years in origami. For
>the pleasure that your book has helped provide me over the years, I
>thank you!
Thanks.  I think that your letter is worth sharing with others.  James M.
Sakoda





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:47:08 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Convention NY 1999

Here are my impressions of the convention:

I arrived to a steaming hot NYC on Friday morning and after getting my dorm
room (which thankfully had a towel, and bedsheets), headed over to the main
exhibit area, which was totally...empty of people, of Origami models, of
books, etc. I finally found someone and they said they were in the process of
setting up, and would I like to volunteer.  So, I did.  We collated the
sheets they were handing out to registrants of the convention.  Next, it was
off to lunch, where I couldn't escape until I folded 3 $ change of hearts,
and 2 $ shirts by Rachel Katz.  OK, so I go down to the basement and there I
see the models for exhibit starting to take shape.  I started to set mine up
as well--to those of you who were there, I had a display which included Tom
Hull's amazing 5 Intersecting Tetrahedra, except mine was made out of 30
dollar bills.  There were a couple of $ Magic Rose Cubes, by Valerie Vann,
Thoki Yenn's Umulius Rectangulum made from $, and several forms of $ in the
shape of diamonds, the most notable being Kenny Kawamura's 21, and 11
diamonds, as well as an independent reinvention of Mike Thomas' 3 diamonds.
(Well, at least it was "mine" for a little while.)

Next stop was the model menu, where I volunteered to show the models that
were going to be taught. It was a great way to see the models closer than the
conventioneers could, and also made deciding which models to learn much
easier.  I highly recommend this form of volunteering.  After my shift ended
it was off to buy some books and paper.  I picked up some beautiful huge
sheets of chiyogami, some large squares of gold foil, and about 5
books--Mette Units 4, Modular Origami Polyhedra, and 3 books by Fuse,
including Spirals I and II.  Next it was folding time.  We folded till 3 am
the first night, and It was great to be with people who share the same
passion for paper.  I taught a few people Jim Churn's $ Crane Ring--a
marvelous model that always seems to amaze people when they see it. Too bad
there are no diagrams.  The next morning I was up bright and early to
reassemble my display as the powers that be asked all people with $ on
display to remove it due to security concerns.

Now to the classes: My first model was Tomoko Fuse's Articulated Lizard,
which I was surprised I got into considering my number drawn via the lottery
and her popularity.  Fuse was amazing to watch, and the model came out great.
We finished early, and she taught us a simple merry go round made from 2 fish
bases, interlocked.  She posed for pictures after the class, and autographed
books for people.  The class was translated very nicely by June Sakamoto, a
most delightful classy lady herself.  In the afternoon, I took Flapping Bird
Greeting Card taught by Ron Weinstock, and as noted in a previous post, we
just barely finished it.  Next was a matchbook by Sy Chen a neat little model
that features a strike pad for the matches.  (Hey, Sy when does your book
come out?)  The next model for my money was the best, it was Jeanine Mosely's
Orb.  It is a 3D model with positive curvature, negative curvature and places
with zero curvature (as she put it).  Made from 6 pieces (all the same) it
features 8 curved dimples bordered by 3 curved "diamond shapes" around each
dimple.  Each of these curved diamonds is slightly covered by 2 tapered
curved diamonds--you have to see it to believe it.  It is not hard to make
and is extremely elegant in its design.

Next up was the part of the meeting all the CSPAN junkies were waiting
for--the annual meeting.  I must state that all the participants were well
behaved, and they all had interesting viewpoints. I'm not sure what will be
the result of this, time will tell.

On to Dinner in NYC, where again, I had to part with a $ Crane Ring.  So that
night I taught a few others including Britain's Rick Beech the Ring, and he
said it was "spot on".  After hours folding commenced in the alumni dorms and
again we folded till we dropped--I learned some new $ folds from Montroll
that will be published in an upcoming book on $ folds.  My favorite was the $
parrot.  (OK, OK, he helped me over some rough spots.)  Can't wait for the
book.

Next morning was the same--set up my display, grab a bit and off we go to
classes--I missed Michael La Fosse's New Butterflies for the second day in a
row.  So I took instead Two Colored Ornament Module-which threw me for a
loop--I just didn't get it, but I will practice it.  The Kawasaki's Spiral
Snail Shell (from Origami for the Connoisseur) which I was always afraid to
try came out very nicely when taught by Jane Rosemarin--Thanks Jane.  Then it
was The Tato Container by Chris Palmer and taught by Steve Buck.  It was a
little hard, but it came out OK with that amazing new duo colored paper from
Sweden.  Last was a class called practical Origami by Makoto Yamaguchi.  This
was simply a Crane that is suspended by its wings at the top of the paper.
The Crane is made and suspended in the space by making one cut.  It is made
with beautiful textured washi (?).  The class was translated by June
Sakamoto.  We were also given an opportunity to subscribe to Tanteidan
magazine, and support Origami House and our Japanese fellow folders.  I
jumped at the chance to get my hands on this magazine.

That was the end of the convention for me, I packed up my models, and headed
for home back to reality...Hey our LIFE (Long Island Folding Enthusiasts)
meeting is only 3 days away, and the Long Island Folding Fest just 2 months
off.  Hope to see you there.

Andrew Hans





From: JacAlArt * <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:18:48 -0400 (
Subject: convention book

To anyone at the convention -- I forgot if I submitted diagrams for the
annual. Could someone please tell me if there's anything in it by Alec Fehl?
Also -- what are some of the more complex models in this year's collection?
~A

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From: "Brannon, Dennis" <dennis.brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:41:28 -0400
Subject: LOG meeting notice June 29, 7-9pm. [Littleton, MA USA]

The Littleton Origami Group (LOG) [Littleton, MA USA]
will be meeting the last Tuesday of the month at the Littleton
library in the "Small Meeting" room downstairs next to the elevator.

Agenda:
1. Joyce will wow us with tales of her adventures at the OrigamiUSA
 convention and folding in Wisconsin.
2. Bob will update us on his origami classes at the Tewksbury Library.
3. Group activities discussion - First Night, etc.
4. Folding, teaching, learning

regards,
Dennis Brannon

When: Tuesday,  June 29, 1999, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:23:59 -0700
Subject: Attention Webmasters

Following Yahoo's acquisition of Geocities last Friday, a copyright
brouhaha has developed. By signing Yahoo's TOS, webmasters must agree to
transfer all intellectual property rights on their site in perpetuity to
Yahoo.

http://www.internetnews.com/wd-news/article/0,1087,10_147231,00.html

I wonder how many origami webmasters are aware of this?

Dorothy





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:34:46 +0200
Subject: Re: sort of origami

Another sort of origami, which has nothing to do with eating though, is
origami formed out of special thin porcelaine paper. You burn it like
pottery in the oven, so it becomes solid.
Never tried it yet. I think it is something for easy model designs only.

Happy folding!
Evi





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:53:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Books for children

Isa--

Where are you? Is there a club in your area? Are you a
member of OUSA? (Or the appropriate national organization
if you're not in the States.)

If you're in the States, OUSA can give you information about
whether there is an affiliated group in your area. If you're a
member, they may  be able to give you information about other
members in your area. (It's a little more complicated than
simply handing you
a list.)

By all means, buy books & follow the other suggestions. But
folding with other people is important too. You learn new tricks;
you can get help reading diagrams; and you learn that other people
are interested in the same thing

?which is a surprise for a lot of
folders who learn to fold on their own.

--Lisa

My first convention report: I'm sleep deprived & happy.

--Boundary_(ID_iElp36XsO1tgv8eTCqJZ9Q)--





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:28:16 -0400
Subject: Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

On 29 Jun 99, at 11:05, Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> Following Yahoo's acquisition of Geocities last Friday, a copyright
> brouhaha has developed.  By signing Yahoo's TOS, webmasters must agree
> to transfer all intellectual property rights on their site in perpetuity
> to Yahoo.

Wow...I can only imagine the uproard this is going to cause.  No need
for secondary or tertiary sources about this... Check it out:

> By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant,
> or warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo
> the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully
> sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt,
> publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform
> and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to
> incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now
> known or later developed. You acknowledge that Yahoo does not pre-

That's pretty explicit and you don't need a lawyer to give you a clue
about what THIS means...  Looks like a 'free' web page has become a
bit expensive in other ways.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                   Roanoke Electronic Village
mailto:bernie@rev.net           Roanoke, VA
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Peg Barber <m.m.barber@ATT.NET>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:41:13 +0000
Subject: Re: convention book

There are two models in the 1999 Annual Collection by
Alec Fehl - $ Acoustic Guitar and Jay Leno-cchio.

Peg Barber (now situated amidst jillions of boxes in
Cleveland, OH)
m.m.barber@att.net
> To anyone at the convention -- I forgot if I submitted diagrams for the
> annual. Could someone please tell me if there's anything in it by Alec Fehl?
> Also -- what are some of the more complex models in this year's collection?
> ~A
>
>
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From: "elsje van der ploeg, elst nl" <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:44:43 +0200
Subject: Paper-clay

Good day to the list,

Evi told about porcelane paper.I am very interested in it.
Once a Japanese man sent me one piece.

I tried it, it is very good for wet-folding.
I would love to experiment with it.

Can anybody tell me where I can get it ?
xxxxxx elsje





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:25:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

Will requiring origami webmasters to sign over all the intellectual
property rights on their sites in perpetuity to free providers like
Yahoo negatively impact the dissemination of origami on the internet?

If you ask me, this sounds like a form of indentured servitude.  After
all,  aren't webmasters already paying for their free sites by being
required to carry advertising banners?

Dorothy





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:51:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

> If you ask me, this sounds like a form of indentured servitude.  After
> all,  aren't webmasters already paying for their free sites by being
> required to carry advertising banners?
>
> Dorothy

Being just and honorable has very little to do with media companies. Has anyone
seen where phone companies are trying to charge long distance rates to send long
distance e-mail?

Kim





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:39:10 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Story-telling origami

Hi Steve,  Why dont you have them republish you money boat in the PaPer.  I
bet it waould make a bit hit now that money folding has gotten so popular.
Your church program sounded nice.  Dorigami...Dorothy Kaplan





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:43:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

Mami mia and mea culpa!  I was incorrect in stating that copyright is
transferred to Yahoo and other free web providers.

By signing the TOS, a webmaster is granting Yahoo the right to license
and sublicense the webmaster's site content.  However, this could have
the effect of greatly diminishing the value of the webmaster's
intellectual property  because Yahoo is granted the right..."to use,
reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works
from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part)
worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or
technology now known or later developed."

Not a bad deal for Yahoo. Not a good deal the free dissemination of art
on the internet.

Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:53:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

Mama mia and mea culpa!  I was incorrect in stating that copyright is
transferred to Yahoo and other free web providers.

By signing the TOS, a webmaster is granting Yahoo the right to license
and sublicense the site content. However, this could have the effect of
greatly diminishing the value of the webmaster's content because Yahoo
is being granted the right..."to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish,
translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display
such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in
other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later
developed."

Not a bad deal for Yahoo. Not a good deal the free dissemination of art
on the internet.

Dorothy





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:17:29 -0700
Subject: Re: convention book

At 07:18 AM 6/29/99 -0400, JacAlArt * <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>Also -- what are some of the more complex models in this year's collection?

Oops, we forgot to generate the index by complexity... Anyway, this year's
finger-numbing variety of models include a Wasp, Organist, Violinist,
Ornamental Goldfish, Bicycle, Skull, Horse, Dimetrodon, and Tyrannosaurus.
The book is available through www.origami-usa.org complete with a lot of
simple and intermediate models as well.

Marc





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:03:09 -0400
Subject: Re: convention book

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

> Oops, we forgot to generate the index by complexity... Anyway, this year's
> finger-numbing variety of models include a Wasp, Organist, Violinist,
> Ornamental Goldfish, Bicycle, Skull, Horse, Dimetrodon, and Tyrannosaurus.
> The book is available through www.origami-usa.org complete with a lot of
> simple and intermediate models as well.

That wouldn't be Takashi Hojo's violinist, would it?  That alone would
make the book worth the price of admission...





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:30:36 -0400
Subject: Convention Notes

Andrew Hans wrote:
<<There were a couple of $ Magic Rose Cubes, by Valerie Vann,

The $ roses are not my design, I don't particularly care
for them, and would prefer that my name and model's name not be
attached to them.

Valerie Vann





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:05:01 -0700
Subject: OUSA Convention

Greetings list members,

I just wanted to share with you some of my happy experiences at the NYC
convention.  I took an early bus and arrived at the Fashion Institute of
Technology which hosts the convention.  It was about a 2 1/2 hr. ride from
Hartford, CT ( I live in a suburb of Hartford.)  I checked into a room in
the coed dorm and I didn't meet my roommate or folding buddy until the next
day.  I was just in time to take the tour of the paper shops with some of
the members, but I decided to get a little lunch at one of the take out
places opposite FIT and then go shopping at Macy's instead, because I'd
already been to Kinokunia and Kate's last year on my own.  My little shopping
spree was worthwhile only because I had a gift certificate from my mom to
use and along with the sale prices I just couldn't resist.  Nothing much
was happening Friday until after 7pm anyway unless you were volunteering and
I did that last year.

Wherever I went and whatever time it was I ran into friendly folders in the
vicinity.  I didn't have to eat alone that first night because I was invited
by others to join them and once the convention was underway I renewed some
previous acquaintances from last year and made some new ones this year who
made me feel welcome to join them for lunch or breakfast.  Having a folding
buddy was a new idea that worked out very well for me.  I had missed meeting
her the first night, but she was very gracious about it and gave me a second
chance the next day.  This was my second convention in NY, but the first time
I took classes.  I had pretty good priority numbers and I got most classes I
wanted, except for Michael's New Butterflies! Darn!  Still, I was a happy camper
and I will tell you why.  I had some of the best teachers at the convention and
the models that I was able to make were a special joy to me!  Saturday, I was
able to fold a "candy wrapper dragon" though we didn't use an actual candy
wrapper.
Our teacher was a young man who told us a story about folding this model at a
movie theater and how it may actually be used in the credits of an upcoming
movie.
It was a fun class.  Next was Yami's centerpede class.  He makes a lot of
toys that
are fun to do.  It took too much time though for me to finish the model and
I was
anxious to get to the Fuse quilt class.  She didn't teach it, but that was
ok, and
I found out that Yami would be around to help finish his model later in the
hospitality
room on the 6th floor.  Before I forget, the other thing about the dragon
class was
that Mr. Anselmo gave out diagrams for the model and that is not a regular
feature of
convention classes. :)

Saturday, was a big day at the convention.  The activities included the
annual meeting
and a hat competition, which I missed, because I met with cousins who took
me down to
Chinatown for dinner.  There was also a Gay Pride Day parade which was a
sight to behold
since there isn't much of anything like it where I live.  I wanted to see
the Paper Dress
exhibit at the FIT museum, but I didn't make it before closing time.  My
roomate had told
me about it and even my cousins got to see this special show.  Sunday, I
didn't think I'd
get anything I wanted, but I was wrong.  Ofcourse the Butterfly class was
sold out again,
but I did get June Sakamoto's class in which the model was a wonderful
sunflower.  It was
the highlight of the convention for me!  A close second was Mette's Quilt
class.  Both of
these teachers were so well prepared.  And as Dribalz said, June is such a
classy lady and
Mette, well, she is such a clever creator/teacher, who also provides you
with diagrams as
well! :)  On Sunday, I spent some time with my roommate, a delightful
Chinese woman from
San Francisco, who took me to La Chinita, a Cuban/Chinese restaurant.  After
that I went
to fold after regular convention hours in the Hospitality room.  I met my
folding buddy who
is a woman engineer from Boston, another wonderful teacher, who I was
fortunate enough to
have help me with some models I wanted to learn.  Ann is very cool!  She
helped me keep up
with Vicky Mihara Avery's lesson at the Fabricgami class when we folded a
one piece box on
Monday morning.  I took a jewelry class in the afternoon.  I almost forgot
to mention RuthAnn
Bessman's Hina Doll class.  It had just three people, so it was really fun
and she had a story
to tell us there about Toshie Takkahama's models that we were folding.

Well, I know this was a longgggg post and it may have bored most of you,
especially the men on
the list, because they would probably enjoy a factual reporting of
activities instead of a
chatty little personal description, but that's not usually my style and I
enjoyed describing my
experiences even, superficially.  What I loved most about this convention
was meeting so many
people who were from all over the world.  We didn't need to speak the same
language to do the
origami.  I learned a Yoshizawa butterfly from an Italian woman!  I had
breakfast with a kind
Chinese man from Rio, who showed me his new Fuse box with a spiral top.
Also, I shared my pics
of the thousand cranes that some of you folded for my husband this year with
those who recognized
my name on my tag with the sticker.  Last but not least, I got back to the
convention just in time
to watch Jeremy Schafer's sidewalk act on his unicycle, complete with
flaming ball juggling and
folding of flaming crane.  Before I'd left the convention, I was exchanging
email addresses with
people and I even received an invitation to visit another folder from CT for
a sleepover folding
party!  My pleasure would have been complete if I'd had my best email friend
Kathy with me, but
maybe some year she'll make the NYC convention!

It was hard to leave on Monday afternoon and go back to the petty pace, of
life in CT, but what
made it easier was seeing my husband so refreshed from his fishing trip and
feeling better than
he's felt in a long, long time because of the lymphoma.  That was the best
part of coming home!
And I enjoyed sharing my experiences with him and now with you.

Cheers,
Ria    ^   ^





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:14:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

> By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant,
> or warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo
> the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, .......etc

Aha! I see a way around this. Anyone with a Yahoo site should in future only
include material that is already well known to be the copyright of a third
party  - since you clearly can't pass over rights to intellectual property
you don't in fact possess.

Should be no problem for some origami sites then! (TIC)

Or even for some origami magazines. (Not TIC)

Dave

Visit Mitchell and Zachary's Enchanted World of Paper -
www.mizushobai.freeserve.co.uk/





From: Jose Tomas Buitrago <jtbm@USA.NET>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:17:19 -0600 (
Subject: Latin Americans

Hello. I take this email address because now I am in New York, after the OUSA
Convention (It was great!). I met with three mexican ladies and one man from
Brazil (I am Colombian). As you see Latin America is present internationaly.
I read some mesages about Latin America and I need to say something.
Leyla Torres helped with some translations about origami terms in spanish. I
will help with those:

Inside reverse fold: pliegue hueco (hole fold)
Outside reverse fold: pliegue caperuza (hood fold)
In general in Colombia, the people do not speak origami language. We are in
that process.

And now, Juan P. in Colombia the origami is only a kind of new thing for many
people, most persons buy books and they are not interesed in comform groups
for many reasons, they do not like them, do not know about them or think that
if they found similars to them, they will destroy their origami bussiness
(courses, exhibitions, whatever).
We are trying to join all origami people in Latin America. I have an email
list of about 120 spanish speaker origami persons, from many countries. Now,
people from Mexico, Ecuador and Venezuela want to attend our convention. Even
from Bogota. We are no trying to make a feud. Only to share origami. The thing
is that we are the first persons from Colombia and other Latin American
Contries that attend to international origami conventions, 1996-1999 and our
association (the only in Colombia) is well known overseas.
Cali convention is not the only one in South America. In December there will
be a kind of convention in Riobamba, Ecuador. It is not all origami, but it
has a big origami part. In my web page I have a link to that page.

If you want, when I returned to my city (at the end of July) I can send you
the email addresses from Bogotanos and you can comunicat with them. BTW, I am
collecting information on origami pages in Spanish (I have almost 20+ pages,
many of them from Spain). Take a look on my page:

http://eiee.univalle.edu.co/~buitrago/origami.html

If you want to reply me, please write me to buitrago@eiee.univalle.edu.co and
we can speak more about that, even in spanish.

>From New York.

Jose Tomas Buitrago
buitrago@eiee.univalle.edu.co
Asociacion Vallecaucana de Origamistas

____________________________________________________________________
Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1





From: Bob Stack <Noobob@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:20:48 -0400 (
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention

Actually I know of at least one man who likes to hear "chatty" comments about
the convention.  What else could be more interesting?  If you didn't get the
E-mail list at the convention you can call or write the office for the list.
Many if not all of the attendees are listed.
I must add that after so many conventions (I think 15) I am still amazed at
how wonderful they are and at how well they are run.  At the meeting Jan
correctly gave credit to so many volunteers BUT the job done by the committee
and the other board members was, as usual, spectacular.

                                Bob Stack





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:19:02 -0700 (
Subject: 1997 convention shirt

Hi my 1997 convention shirt was missing from my laundry some time back. I
just returned from the convention and had hopes of replacing it. No luck.
If anyone has an extra one,[large], I would like to purchase it as it had
sentimental value.[It was my first convention]
I can't out why OUSA does not sell back years as people do collect them.
    Mike Kanarek, 17 Clinton Ave., Kingston NY, 12401

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:39:05 +0200
Subject: NO: Re: Attention Webmasters

On 29-Jun-99, Kimberly Shuck (atsina@HOOKED.NET) wrote:

>Being just and honorable has very little to do with media companies.
>Has anyone seen where phone companies are trying to charge long
>distance rates to send long distance e-mail?

There was at least Canadian hoax on that.  I advice anyone to check

http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html

to avoid spreading email tax / virus-by-mail rumors.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:34:28 +1000
Subject: convention talk

Hi all,

Please keep the convention talk coming, as it is the only way some of us
can experience these events (albeit vicariously). Even if people are
describing the same event, it is enjoyable (for me at least) to hear
differing points of view, feelings and highlights. If others are not happy
hearing the same thing over and over, I would be happy to receive these
messages privately, but I can't believe I am the only one interested in
this topic.

As an added question related to the convention book, is there any chance
Joisel has a model included this year? And how about Anita F. Barbour? It
might be a while before I get hold of a copy, so any details serve to whet
my appetite in the meantime.

Thanks

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:22:20 +0200
Subject: Re: Paper-clay

Once again:

I found porcelaine "paper", which you can burn in the oven (it becomes
solid) , after folding simple objects.

The Address in Germany:

Klueck, Juergen
Hafenweg 26
48155 Muenster

Phonenumber: Germany/0251/65889

Can you read this now? I don't know, if you can order it there, but  may be
they tell you, how to get hold of the clay, if you are interested in it.

Happy folding!
Evi





From: CASALONGA Jean-Jerome <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:02:07 +0200
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

>By signing the TOS, a webmaster is granting Yahoo the right to license
>and sublicense the webmaster's site content.  However, this could have
>the effect of greatly diminishing the value of the webmaster's
>intellectual property  because Yahoo is granted the right..."to use,
>reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works
>from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part)
>worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or
>technology now known or later developed."

        Too bad, just when Akira Yoshizawa wanted to have his own Origami
Page on Geocities.  I called him to ask for his reaction :
 "What !  I will NEVER allow those Yahoo bastards to reproduce and adapt my
origami creations, which are my children."

            JJ Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:14:43 +0800
Subject: Re: convention book

Does this mean we get to buy the book at a discount ...?! (We can hope,
can't we?)

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
>
> At 07:18 AM 6/29/99 -0400, JacAlArt * <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> >Also -- what are some of the more complex models in this year's collection?
>
> Oops, we forgot to generate the index by complexity... Anyway, this year's
> finger-numbing variety of models include a Wasp, Organist, Violinist,
> Ornamental Goldfish, Bicycle, Skull, Horse, Dimetrodon, and Tyrannosaurus.
> The book is available through www.origami-usa.org complete with a lot of
> simple and intermediate models as well.
>
> Marc





From: Antonio Rodriguez <aajrdguez@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1999 10:11:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

>What a disappointment!
>
>It looks like the two places I was considering setting up a website,
>AOL and Geocities, are now both unacceptable.
>
>Aloha,
>Kenneth Kawamura  ( kenny1414@aol.com )

Don't give up yet, Kenneth. On Wed., Yahoo backed down on its claim that
they owned all content on Geocities pages. Here's the link talking about
this:

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20518.html

>From this same article, quoting:

"The new terms of service, which took effect 3 p.m. PST Wednesday after
executives spent the morning huddling with lawyers, now stress that "Yahoo
does not own content you submit." "

Antonio Rodriguez





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:45:11 -0500
Subject: Thanks

I'd like to thank all those that have helped me so far with their sage advice.

Thanks to all that helped me with wetfolding advice, now I have
successfully wet folded the Kawasaki shell, Montroll's tiger (chinese
zodiac), and Lang's Ant.  The ant is pretty impressive in black lizard
paper.

Thanks to the people who advised me to fold Engel's octopus out of tissue
foil paper.  After making a decent fold from typewriter paper I made some
tissue foil paper and folded a neat octopus.  The tentacles are the best
part!

Thanks to Robert J. Lang for giving me instructions to heptasect that
angle.  It has now came out correctly, without leg problems!  My leg
problems must have been a result of not doing that crucial folding right in
the beginning.

I look forward to spongeing more advice off you guys in the future.  This
email group is a great asset for folding.  Happy folding to all!

Sincerely,
David





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:08:01 -0700
Subject: Re: OUSA CONVENTION/format

Hi everybody,

I haven't learned how to format my posts so there aren't
big gaps between sentences and spaces throughout the whole
paragraph in my messages.  I'll have to ask my computer expert
husband how to properly send my emails in the future.  When I
saw how my comments came out on the list, I can imagine how
annoying people found the format.  Sorry, I'll do better in the
future.

Ria





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:16:18 -0700
Subject: Thanks to OUSA

My sincere thanks to all the staff of OUSA and to all the
volunteers who made this wonderful weekend possible.  That
was a big oversight in my original post about the convention.
They deserve the praise they have been getting by everybody
for their efforts.  I hope I can go next year too.

Ria Sutter





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:24:11 -0400 (
Subject: Help with Smile with teeth

Hi everyone,

I have been trying to fold a model that has a smile with teeth.  It is a 3d
action model.  I have the diagrams that have been published a couple of
places.

The creator is Masaya Horiguchi.

My problem is with the last few directions where the model becomes 3d.  Can
anyone talk me through this?

Thanks,

Patty





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:41:16 -0400 (
Subject: Convention report

Hi,

I just got back from the convention yesterday and am still recovering from
lack of sleep!  haha  I had a terrific time and I salute the OUSA board and
all the wonderful volunteers for putting on another grand convention.

The highlights of my convention include:
     *The wonderful exhibition of models coordinated by V'Ann---it was truly
outstanding!
        *Tomoko's new box class-she is the most wonderful teacher and
creator!!!!  And I was lucky enough to have a good enough number from the
lottery to get into it.
        *After hour folding-so many good folders are willing to share their
knowledge!  Special thanks to Yami who shared his toys until all hours.
        *One piece rose and leaf-taught skillfully by a convention weary Jan
Polish.
        *A terrific book taught by Karen and Judy-THANKS!
        *a FANTASTIC hat parade of origami hats
        *Fun times with old friends
        *Opportunities!!!!!!  Watching master folders, learning from them and
sharing with others that enjoy origami as much as I do.
        *Shopping - for anyone that knows me -- that is a highlight for me!!!
 Kates, Pearl, and Kunikuniya

Well....can' t wait for the next time around!'

Patty





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:30:24 +0000
Subject: CD's from Oriland

As several of you saw at the OUSA Convention, there was much interest in
the CD's (Skeleton Team and Oribana) from the Shumakov's in Russia.
Since bank charges on both ends are prohibitive I've arranged with them to
collect the orders and do it in bulk.. I'll get the money to them and they will
mail the CD's directly to the purchaser.

The CD's are $29.99 plus $5 for mailing charges.

The "Skeleton's Team" contains over 2000 picture diagrams and one hour of
video. There is no gluing or cutting in the assembly of the five different
skeletons. Do go to their gorgeous web-site "Oriland"
<www.icomm.ru/home/origami? to see what this is all about.

Anyone going to Tanteidan in Japan in August can get the CD's directly from
Yurii and Katrin (Y2K) as they will be the honored guests there.

Please e-mail me privately if you are interested in purchasing a CD..

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: List Andrew Borloz <Cooknfold@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:21:52 -0400 (
Subject: Re: convention book

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Chinh Nguyen wrote:

>That wouldn't be Takashi Hojo's violinist, would it?  That alone would
>make the book worth the price of admission...

Nope. It's Marc Kirschenbaum's violinist. In my opinion, this model, Michael
Wrenn's bicycle, Robert Lang's pianist, and Herman Van Goubergen's skull, all
together make the book worth more than the price of admission...

Andrew Borloz





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:22:14 -0700
Subject: Re: convention book

At 03:03 AM 6/30/99 -0400, Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>

>> Oops, we forgot to generate the index by complexity... Anyway, this year's
>> finger-numbing variety of models include a Wasp, Organist, Violinist,
>> Ornamental Goldfish, Bicycle, Skull, Horse, Dimetrodon, and Tyrannosaurus.
>> The book is available through www.origami-usa.org complete with a lot of
>> simple and intermediate models as well.
>
>That wouldn't be Takashi Hojo's violinist, would it?  That alone would
>make the book worth the price of admission...

Sorry, the "Violinist" model is mine. I too would have loved to see
diagrams for that other great model (besides, I have the diagrams for mine
already anyway).

Marc





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:02:17 +0200
Subject: Re: Paper-clay

David,
At 11.24 30/6/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>What is this email supposed to be?  I can't read it!
>
>Evi wrote:
>>=FF=FE        &gt;Good day

<snip......>

It is Evi's message with HTML formatting that your mailer program cannot
decode ! I've complained about this several times, the problem is with
Evi's settings of Outlook Express. I've written to her explaining how to
fix this.

Roberto





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:12:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Paper-clay

Kurt,
At 12.39 30/6/1999 -0400, you wrote:

>> What is this email supposed to be?  I can't read it!
>>
>       The original email was written in the "iso-8859-1" character
>set, as opposed to the oldfashioned, 7-bit, 127-character range
>"us-ascii" character set that you (and I) are used to. I can't read it
>either, unless I install some more software on my Unix system.
>
>       "iso-8859-1" has support for Umlauts, cyrillic characters and
>other funny stuff that comes in handy for European (and Asian?)
>languages.

Are you sure that the problem is with the character set ? The "funny
things" in the message as forwarded by David are the  &nbsp; &gt;  and
similar stuff, which are HTML formatting codes added to Evi's message by
her Outlook X-mailer. If the problem were with the charset, then the
letters with Umlaut should be displayed as strange codes in David's
message, whereas I see them correctly.....

Roberto





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 05:49:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Thanks to OUSA

At 08:05 AM 7/1/99 +0100, you wrote:
>John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET> sez
>
>>My sincere thanks to all the staff of OUSA and to all the
>>volunteers who made this wonderful weekend possible.
>
>No, no John - this list is where you pull OUSA apart for their allegedly
>partisan policies!
>
>If people keep praising them, where will it all end? Corporate buyout of
>the British Origami Society? (to be renamed BOUSA or more appropriately
>BOOZA)
>
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>
>email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
>homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
>BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos
>
>
No, no Nick- the unleashed list is for that!  And it's Ria not John who is
using the email account that is just in John's name.

I don't know anything about BOS, but what's it to you if I think OUSA did a
good job, this time at least!  They seem to have lots of support from a few
of your countrymen who I've seen at the conventions that I've attended.

Ria Sutter





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 06:39:30 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

In a message dated 6/30/99 2:44:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET
writes:

> By signing the TOS, a webmaster is granting Yahoo the right to license
>  and sublicense the webmaster's site content.  However, this could have
>  the effect of greatly diminishing the value of the webmaster's
>  intellectual property  because Yahoo is granted the right..."to use,
>  reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works
>  from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part)
>  worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or
>  technology now known or later developed."

Aloha Dorothy,

It gets worse. At least the Yahoo TOS specifies NON-exclusive rights.
I just checked out the Planet Direct user agreement, because they're
associated with my current ISP, Concentric.net,  and found:

"10.     Each User, and any user of a User's account, who places or has
placed software, a file, information, communication or other content on, in,
over or through the accessible areas of the Service grants to Planet Direct
(and to Planet Direct's designated licensees, transferees, designees and
contractors) an exclusive, paid-up, perpetual and worldwide right to copy,
distribute, display, perform, publish, translate, adapt, modify and otherwise
use in connection with Planet Direct's business (and that of Planet Direct's
designated licensees, transferees, designees and contractors), such software,
files, information, communications and other content, regardless of the
medium, technology or form utilized by Planet Direct in the exercise of this
grant."

Note especially "exclusive, paid-up, perpetual and worldwide right to copy,
distribute, display, perform, publish, translate, adapt, modify and otherwise
use ...". This appears to be theft on a grand scale.

I haven't checked AOL's TOS yet, but now that I think of it, I'd better.
May I suggest we all check on our "service providers"?

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura  ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 06:57:22 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

In a message dated 7/1/99 10:41:21 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Kenny1414@AOL.COM
writes:

> I haven't checked AOL's TOS yet, but now that I think of it, I'd better.
>  May I suggest we all check on our "service providers"?

This is a followup.

*SIGH*...  I just checked AOL's TOS. After a nice paragraph about

"Proprietary Rights
Much of the content available on our service is owned by others, and is
protected by copyrights, trademarks, and other intellectual property rights.
It is very easy to copy things in cyberspace, but just because it is easy
doesn't mean it is acceptable or legal.  Any content that you upload or
download while using the service must be authorized; this means you must have
the legal right to upload or download the content.  You must not copy,
transmit, modify, distribute, show in public or in private or create any
derivative works from any of the content you find on AOL, unless you have the
legal right to.  Making unauthorized copies of any content found on AOL can
lead to the termination of your AOL account and may even subject you to
further legal action beyond the termination of your membership.  Similarly,
other content owners may take criminal or civil action against you.  In that
event, you agree to hold harmless AOL and its subsidiaries, affiliates,
related companies, employees, officers, directors and agents.
"

AOL lowers the boom with

"Once you post content on AOL, you expressly grant AOL the complete right to
use, reproduce, modify, distribute, etc. the content in any form, anywhere. "

What a disappointment!

It looks like the two places I was considering setting up a website,
AOL and Geocities, are now both unacceptable.

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura  ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:05:37 +0100
Subject: Re: Thanks to OUSA

John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET> sez

>My sincere thanks to all the staff of OUSA and to all the
>volunteers who made this wonderful weekend possible.

No, no John - this list is where you pull OUSA apart for their allegedly
partisan policies!

If people keep praising them, where will it all end? Corporate buyout of
the British Origami Society? (to be renamed BOUSA or more appropriately
BOOZA)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: italic <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:07:22 -0500
Subject: origamists in Waco, Texas?

I hope this question isn't out of line for this list, but I would like to
find someone in Central Texas who would be willing to give me some origami
lessons (for pay, of course).
Thanks
James Storrs





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:13:23 -0500
Subject: Re: convention book

List Andrew Borloz wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Chinh Nguyen wrote:
>
>>That wouldn't be Takashi Hojo's violinist, would it?  That alone would
>>make the book worth the price of admission...
>
>Nope. It's Marc Kirschenbaum's violinist. In my opinion, this model, Michael
>Wrenn's bicycle, Robert Lang's pianist, and Herman Van Goubergen's skull, all
>together make the book worth more than the price of admission...
>
>Andrew Borloz

Is the pianist from square sheet of paper or that long rectangle used in
the Complete Book of Origami?

David

ps I've discovered a way to fold a violinist from the bird base using the
same mechanism from Lang's clapping monkey so that he fiddles, is complete
with coat tail due to folding small bird base from one of the flaps.





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:54:37 -0400
Subject: Re: convention book

>List Andrew Borloz wrote:

>Is the pianist from square sheet of paper or that long rectangle used in
>the Complete Book of Origami?
>
>David
 David-
The model is actually an organist on a bench, playing a two-manual organ
with a pedal keyboard as well. It starts with a 1x4 rectangle and is box
pleated to a fare-thee-well. He may have omitted the 16' diapason for the
sake of simplicity, but I'm not sure.
Scott





From: Kurt Reimer <gkr@VOICENET.COM>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:36:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Paper-clay

> >> What is this email supposed to be?  I can't read it!
> >>
> >       The original email was written in the "iso-8859-1" character
> >set, as opposed to the oldfashioned, 7-bit, 127-character range
> >"us-ascii" character set that you (and I) are used to.
> >
>
> Are you sure that the problem is with the character set ? The "funny
> things" in the message as forwarded by David are the  &nbsp; &gt;  and
> similar stuff, which are HTML formatting codes added to Evi's message by
> her Outlook X-mailer.
>
> Roberto
>
Roberto,
        I'm not sure, and I deleted the original message so I can't go
back and look. I know that my email client reported the text as being
in that iso-8859-1 character set and it sure looked funny, just lines
of '*' and '&' characters and such.

        There have been other times when I recieved HTML-formatted
messages in my plaintext email program, and in those cases I saw all
those wierd HTML tags, but I also could read the embedded text. This
was very different.

        This is getting a little off-topic for our list, but I think
that my email program reports character sets like "iso-8859-1" or
"us-ascii" because it finds a "Mime-Type: whatever" line in the header
portion of the email message or in the header lines that precede each
attachment. Mime-types aren't the same thing as character sets, though
there can be some overlap between the two. Character sets are a
mapping between each 8 bits (or 16 bits, in the case of unicode)
of data and the character symbol it represents, while Mime-Types
are a larger-scale kind of thing, indicating that a document is a
text file, a .jpg or other image file, a sound clip, or something
like that. The Mime-Type is supposed to help your web browser or email
client pick a secondary program to launch and interpret the document.

        The aforementioned overlap occurs because some alternate
charcter sets are identified by Mime-Types, and I bet that if I looked
hard enough, I could find an "iso-8859-1" viewer, install it on my
system and tell my email program to run it whenever it encounters that
Mime-Type. Maybe an HTML document written in the "us-ascii" character
set would look one way in my email reader, and the same HTML file
written in the "iso-8859-1" character set would look different.

Yours,

Kurt Reimer
Voicenet Systems Administration





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:58:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

On 14 Jun 99, at 10:11, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:

> >What a disappointment!
> >
> >It looks like the two places I was considering setting up a website,
> >AOL and Geocities, are now both unacceptable.
>
> Don't give up yet, Kenneth. On Wed., Yahoo backed down on its claim that
> they owned all content on Geocities pages. Here's the link talking about
> this:
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20518.html
>
> >From this same article, quoting:
>
> "The new terms of service, which took effect 3 p.m. PST Wednesday after
> executives spent the morning huddling with lawyers, now stress that "Yahoo
> does not own content you submit." "

Ah, but you're WAAAY too trusting.  Did you _read_ the new TOS?  It says:

> . You license the Content to Yahoo as set forth below for the purpose of
> displaying and distributing such Content on our network of properties and
> for the promotion and marketing of our services. By submitting Content to
> any Yahoo property, you automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of
> such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the royalty-free, perpetual,
> irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to
> use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works
> from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part)
> worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or
> technology now known or later developed.

Note that while they can't use your stuff to go into the origami-book-
publishing business, they *CAN* use it for anything else they please that
they choose to call "promtion and marketing of our services" (including,
of course, printing up an origami book and giving it away [or even
selling it!] as a marketing gimmic].  And also note that the
_actual_license_ you're conceding doesn't include even the already-vague
words about 'marketing'.

Caveat uploader...

  /Bernie\

--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:02:45 +0100
Subject: Re: Attention Webmasters

>"Once you post content on AOL, you expressly grant AOL
> the complete right to use, reproduce, modify, distribute, etc.
> the content in any form, anywhere. "

> It looks like the two places I was considering setting up a
> website, AOL and Geocities, are now both unacceptable.

Just a thought but they might have to put clauses like that in so they can
make backups & things.
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        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:54:28 +0200
Subject: Request for a Ninja Star

Can someone help this guy with a Ninja Star?
Please reply to him personally at XxREALxX@yahoo.com
(May be this address looks not 'real', but I replied to it and it did
not bounce)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: WWW form from spider-te073.proxy.aol.com
Date: Thursday, 01-Jul-99 07:28:24 MET
From: nobody@info2.service.rug.nl (WWW server via mailform)
To: M.J.van.Gelder@KVI.nl

Commentaar=Can you please send me iinstructions on how to create a
paper Ninja Star, I want to learn again I knew how to a long time ago
and now I have forgotten so if you can please send me a web site or
preferbely instruction that are in text that can be printed out (Black
& White)
E-mail=XxREALxX@yahoo.com
Instelling=Hecht's Co.
Locatie=Virginia
Naam=Jason Wright
Voorletters=JLJW
herkomst=http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models/index.htm





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:46:50 -0500
Subject: Re: New Model

Hi folks!

the model for the month is up!  I hope you like it it is a
cartoon style dragon, and simple enough to teach to youngsters!

Have fun!

Perry
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pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644
