




From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:28:25 -0700
Subject: Re: what are your hobbies?

I'm currently studying biology, I do large format color micrography and
infra-red landscape. I've been a chef for quite some years in classical
French, Northern Italian (can do most European cuisine) and Thai, and though
not doing that professionally anymore, I still pursue it passionately. I've
done sculpture (including origami in 10ftx10ft sheet steel), woodworking,
clay, and ice (a chef-related pursuit, but great fun). Birdwatching, as a
result of my biological study, mathematics (fractals, chaos, complexity--a
result of having been a physics/math major back in the 70's and early
eighties), and I just generally try to read whatever I can on the subjects
of the women's movement and abolition from the early 1880's-1920's. Also;
rock climbing and mountain biking.





From: "Deborah P. Van Treuren" <deborahv@N-JCENTER.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:29:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

CASALONGA Jean-Jerome wrote:
>
>         Dear all,
>
>     Origami is not the ONLY thing interesting in life.  So, I would like to
> know if some of you have other hobbies.  Maube this will allow us to see
> that we share other things than Origami.
>
>     I'll start with myself :
>
>         I love wristwatches.  The nice ones, mecanical or automatic (no
> Quartz).
>
>     Now, your turn.
>
>             Sincerely,
>
>                         JJ
> Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
how about collecting teapots and travelling? Debs





From: CASALONGA Jean-Jerome <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:44:22 +0200
Subject: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

        Dear all,

    Origami is not the ONLY thing interesting in life.  So, I would like to
know if some of you have other hobbies.  Maube this will allow us to see
that we share other things than Origami.

    I'll start with myself :

        I love wristwatches.  The nice ones, mecanical or automatic (no
Quartz).

    Now, your turn.

            Sincerely,

                        JJ
Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Emmajg <emmajg@CUSTARD.ORG>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:19:39 +0100
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

Well besides Origami...
I like to collect unusual pens.
I love doing stuff on my computer, DTP, graphics, AutoCAD, collecting fonts,
etc..
I've just finished my Degree in Product Design and hope to find a job
training people with the internet and computers.

Whilst waiting for my results I'm happily folding away :o)

Take care
Emmajg*

Emma Jane Griffiths
http://chocolate.custard.org/

-----Original Message-----
From: CASALONGA Jean-Jerome <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: 20 June 1999 11:54
Subject: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

>        Dear all,
>
>    Origami is not the ONLY thing interesting in life.  So, I would like to
>know if some of you have other hobbies.  Maube this will allow us to see
>that we share other things than Origami.
>
>    I'll start with myself :
>
>        I love wristwatches.  The nice ones, mecanical or automatic (no
>Quartz).
>
>    Now, your turn.
>
>
>            Sincerely,
>
>
>                        JJ
>Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Susan Johnston <oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:28:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

Hi,

Well apart from origami I enjoy studying feng shui, pronounced fung shway.
Its a sort of ancient Chinese philosophy in which you arrange certain
objects around the house (my room in my case) in certain places.  Is anyone
else interested in feng shui??

I also do Taekwon-do, a martial art from Korea - I only started in January.
I also have Ballroom Dancing lessons.  At school I learn the violin and at
home I learn the piano.  I also like reading, listening to music and of
course doing origami!!!  :-)

Susan Johnston





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:16:20 -1000
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

Now that I do origami for a living, I don't have much time for much
else.  However, I do make time for golf...totally using a different set
of muscles.

I used to make baskets,do straw weaving, throw pots, do stitchery,
read...favorites were historical novels and sci-fi, loved volleyball and
tennis even did other origami stuff.  Aloha, Jan





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:06:43 -1000
Subject: Re: NO; Re: Off-subject : What are your other hobbies ?

Terry,
Since you like knotting...have you tried "mizuhiki"...the Japanese art
of "macrame" with paper cords?  The paper cords have wonderful colors
and the patterns very elaborate.
Aloha, Jan





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:29:06 -1000
Subject: Re: "Origami Practitioners"

"Practioner"  to me, sounds too clinical.  With a surname of "Fodor", I
call myself the "Fodor folder".  Aloha, Jan





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:39:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

CASALONGA Jean-Jerome wrote:

> I love wristwatches.  The nice ones, mecanical or automatic (no Quartz).
>
>     Now, your turn.

Books I fear, old and rare and Science Fiction.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: "David Walker (MSFDC-JV)" <v-davwa@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:49:32 -0700
Subject: Re: other hobbies

my other enduring hobby is that darling of origami lovers, card magic, I
have been a sleight of hand card magician for over 30 years. as a matter of
fact I would see neil elias at a convention we were invited to. he was a
good friend of my teacher Ed marlo. My other interests vary with the tide.

david





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:06:00 -0400
Subject: Just Say "NO" to Allen

I just recieved what I thought  was the third mailing ( neither my wife nor
I got the second - I got a fax version from a friend so I felt no reason to
mention it.)

This last mailing calls for assigning Proxy voting to Allen. MY response -
NFW! The Wall Street Journal defined NFW euphamistically as No Feasible Way.
I would never assign my vote to some one who has not demostrated follow
thought.

The two instances that I know of your being given areas of responsibilities
were failures. I remember after last years convention you were largely a
persona non grata for the job that you did in charge of logistics. I
remember people waiting for the truck to load stuff to the Museum. You were
right in stating in your first lettter that you played a minor role in the
convention in the last three years however last year you had a major
responsiblity which you flubbed the dub.

The other time that I knew of you haveing a major responisbility  was the
convention book. You talked at great lenghts about how great it was going to
be. I had friends who were attending that were going to get me a copy. Opp!
there never was one. I never complained or inquired I figured that it was
one bridge too far. I do not know what happened.

The lateness of the mailing makes me think that your logistically planning
if off again. New York City mail is very slow. I had a friend who worked the
42nd Street post office 20 years ago. He left on a break when he was new to
the job. He got lost in the building. Even with asking frequent questions,
he was a half hour late in returning to his desk. When his boss ask why he
was late in returning, he said that he was lost. It was view as an
acceptable excuse. It someone who can ask for directions takes that long
what chance does a letter have of making it through. While working in a book
store in NJ 30 years ago, I could send a package to California in three days
and to NYC in a week.

If you wanted to have time to get response back to your lawyer in time for
the meeting, there should have been allowed more time. I do not know why I
got mine so late, unless you mailed your supports early, thus giving them
priority in responding. Was this tactical planning or omission?

Mark Kennedy





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:06:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Just Say "NO" to Allen

Mark,

I do not hold any grudges against you and I am not looking for any
division or personal fights.  You have a right to your opinions.

The Origami List is an excellent place to discuss issues of Origami
government, but.... to have respect for others.... I don't think personal
attacks are appropriate.  (Without too much effort, you could probably
formulate incriminations toward anyone.)  Let's keep these discussions
clean, polite and mature.  Okay?

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:23:00 -0400
Subject: Cigarette Paper Folds

About 15 years ago, I saw several picture frams make out if the packs of
cigarette papers. The son of a   friend at work had served 90 days of
Breaking and Entering to  support his drug habit. While serving his time he
had learned to make theses. He had used "Kool" wrappers predominated. He
said that a number of the guys had been makeing them but he had no real
interest in teaching me. He died a few months ago of AIDS. The basic units
resembled the gum wrapper chains. There must be a way to interlock the
units. The outer edges of the frames where zigzaged like the gum wrapper
chain and the area around the picture was two or three layers deep. I am
sorry but is too far back to remember more clearly.

Alice Grey had given me a wreath of Swedish Stars that were interlocked
together. The flat points around the equator of the star has two laters - so
by inserting the points into the pockets they stars were interlocked. There
must be some sort of method of locking the gum chain/cigaretted wrappers
units -maybe it is similar.

For those of you looking for a "good" looking complex cat model -David Brill
has a good one. The last CDO convention book was the first place that I had
seen the diagrams but I have not had the time to research the referece
points  between work and getting ready for the convention.

Hope this helps.

Mark Kennedy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:40:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami USA/NYC

Edith, thank you for correctly pointing out that the postcards being
distributed can also be used to designate anyone as a proxy voter at the
OrigamiUSA Annual Board meeting.  I've just typed a proxy form and have
sent it to a friend who will be attending the convention.

But why hasn't OrigamiUSA provided proxy vote forms to all their
members?  I'm curious whether non-profit corporations are required to
offer proxy vote forms to their members.

Dorothy





From: "Dolphin G." <dolphing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:43:33 -0700 (
Subject: Re: (NO) Hobbies other than Origami

>From: Dribalz@AOL.COM

>amateur magician.  I enjoy an arcane branch of mathematics called number
>theory--don't understand it much, but I like it nonetheless.  I collect
>miniature schnauzer figurines and have a collection approaching 270 pieces

I wouldn't exactly call it a hobby, but I love delving into mathematical
concepts I don't understand.  (Of course, once I understand it it seems
rather bland to me.  =)

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From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:01:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami USA/NYC

On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Edith Kort wrote:

> Perhaps there is a trusted member or board member who would
> be willing to serve in this role - willing to take the proxy vote for
> non-attendees who do not wish AP to be their proxy.
>
> Is there someone willing to step forward and play this role?  It looks
> like it should be done quickly.

Oh, if you'd like, you could change the names on the proxy votes to Steve
Buck, Carol Martinson or Sandy Toivonen, if you'd prefer. Perhaps you'd
consider them more trusted members.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Terry Buse <tbuse@VSTA.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:08:09 -0700
Subject: other hobbies

I enjoy reading books especially Dean Koontz and Stephen King (who I hope is
doing better).  I also enjoy playing tennis (when I'm not coaching it)





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:28:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

CASALONGA Jean-Jerome <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR> sez

>        I love wristwatches.

Music (listening), music (performing), Hornsea Pottery, ecology,
children, tadpoles, soda syphons, Salz und Pfeffer, beer, cheese.

all the best,

Nick Robinson





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:48:42 -0700
Subject: Re: other hobbies

Dear friends,

I have enjoyed reading all about your other hobbies besides origami,
and I would like to add mine to the thread.  Lately, I haven't much
time for other hobbies, but I've enjoyed gardening, drawing, painting,
classical music, and reading fantasy, mystery, and historical romance.
Photography and cooking are some more interests.  The only collection
I have is a shell collection, so I found Michael La Fosse's comments very
interesting.

Ria Sutter





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:16:14 -0400
Subject: Origami USA/NYC

I, too just received my postcard/proxy mailing.  I noted that the
mailing address may be a law firm.  I expect that it may be an attorney
for AP.

I also expect that these postcards could be used to choose anyone as a
proxy.  For example, a non attendee could change the address and proxy
name and send the postcard to a friend who will be attending the
meeting.     Perhaps there is a trusted member or board member who would
be willing to serve in this role - willing to take the proxy vote for
non-attendees who do not wish AP to be their proxy.

Is there someone willing to step forward and play this role?  It looks
like it should be done quickly.





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:16:31 -0400 (
Subject: (NO) Hobbies other than Origami

Aside from Origami which is my main hobby at the moment, I am an amateur
astronomer, with a strong interest in photographing and videotaping total
solar eclipses--I have seen 3 total solar eclipses--Baja, Mexico, Putre,
Chile (13000 feet or so up in the Andes Mts.), and one cruising in the
Caribbean.  I have seen one annular eclipse in El Paso, Texas.  I also am an
amateur magician.  I enjoy an arcane branch of mathematics called number
theory--don't understand it much, but I like it nonetheless.  I collect
miniature schnauzer figurines and have a collection approaching 270 pieces
(not one made of paper yet, although I know on the CDO webpage there is one).
 I am an avid fan of the rock group KISS (yeah, I know, but some things can't
be helped) and have seen them about 7 times.  I like NY Mets Baseball as
well.  Finally, my biggest challenge in life, are my two children, Rachel (4)
and David (2.5). Rachel also likes to "fold" paper, but everything she makes
is a boat for my grandmother.  As for my profession--I am a Doctor of
Optometry.

Andrew Hans
Dribalz@aol.com





From: Daniela Carboni <s134259@STUDENTI.ING.UNIPI.IT>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:50:09 +0200
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

I am writing my thesis and at this moment I have little time for other
hobbies then to put rockets in the space.

However I like to cook, Italian food of course, and I have a collection of
short pencils I used.

I read a lot, I do yoga to relax stress and I like to draw abstract picure
with fineliner.

Ciao,
        Daniela.

/\_/\    Daniela S. Carboni
 o o     email: s134259@studenti.ing.unipi.it
= # =    -Soon I will have a new web page-





From: List Andrew Borloz <Cooknfold@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:54:49 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Off-subect : What are you other hobbies ?

Hi, I'm Andrew Borloz. I've been on the list for a couple of month, lurking
in the shadows. But this time, I can not resist answering that question from
that JJ.  I am somewhat sort of a dabbler (my friends would disagree) but
here's my list of my present and past interests anyway:

Collections: pop-ups books, cookbooks (about 500), construction toys,
Christmas ornaments from travels, folk art objects, and any unusual objects

Interests: Product design, exhibit design, architecture, traveling, culture,
folk arts, ballroom dancing, gardening, computer programming, project
management, drawing, crafts, interior design, creativity, foreign language

Physical Activities: hiking, scuba diving, mountain biking, cooking,
vegetable & herb gardening

The above list does not cover all of my interests. No, there is no way I can
devote my free time to all of the above - I can pursue only two or three at a
time.  I had to give up scuba diving so that I could help out with the 1999
Annual Collection as a managing editor along with Marc Kirschenbaum. This
year, my current project is creating stars from origami papers and other
materials for my own Christmas tree.

&rew





From: Mette Pederson <mette.pederson@TRIFOLIUM.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:30:13 -0400
Subject: *** New Book ***

I am pleased to announce that my fourth book "Mette Units 4 - Rings" is now
available.  All of the models in the book are modular rings.  Pictures of
the models and information on where to purchase the book are available on my
web page:  http://mette.pederson.com/.  Yes, the book will be available at
the OUSA convention next weekend!

Mette Pederson
http://mette.pederson.com/
MetteUnits@aol.com
Mette@Pederson.com





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:48:48 -0700
Subject: OrigamiUSA Convention

To everyone who'll be attending the OUSA Convention,

Have a ball and please keep a detailed diary of your adventures to post
to the list upon your return.

Dorothy, hoping to make it to New York for Convention2000





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:01:08 +0000
Subject: Re: Just Say "NO" to Allen

Allen,

What did happen to the convention book that Peacock was supposed to have? I
remember reading in BARF that Jeremy Shaeffer thanked you for taking on the job
of producing it. Since you are looking to be on the board, why should we
consider you instead of the board we have now?

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:43:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Just Say "NO" to Allen

On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Rachel Katz wrote:

> What did happen to the convention book that Peacock was supposed to
> have? I remember reading in BARF that Jeremy Shaeffer thanked you for
> taking on the job of producing it.

After the NY convention, prior to PCOC, Jan Polish and Mary Jane Kettler
came out to Seattle to visit through the Fourth of July.  We went sailing
in the islands.  During that time we had a discussion.  The PCOC
convention was two months away and not much had been done.  We were
concerned.  Jan mentioned it might be wiser for me to redirect my energies
to more critical issues pertaining to PCOC.  A convention booklet was
secondary to making sure the convention came off smoothly.

> Since you are looking to be on the board, why should we consider you
> instead of the board we have now?

I am not currently running for the Board, so discussions such as "Why
should we consider you" are moot.  If ever there is a time that we are
allowed better representation in areas outside New York and are running
for the Board, then questions such as yours would be much more
appropriate.  I do hope, in the future, the direction of OrigamiUSA would
come from the membership, not just from a select "inner circle".

I think many, such as yourself are confused, that this is all about a few
who are trying to get on the Board. It isn't!  The issue is
representation.  I think all of us, who decided to make a stand, would
just as well give way to anyone who is better qualified as long as they
would listen to their constituency, understands their issues and stand up
to the Board for ALL members across the country.

My goal is in response to many across the country who are discontent with
the lack of attention from a New York controlled Board.  We are not
allowed to have say into the direction of OrigamiUSA and are limited in
our representation.  How would you like it if the US Senate had 73 members
representing Washington DC and 27 representing the rest of the country?  I
think you'd be a little upset also.  Just recently New York had a planning
meeting to decide the future of OrigamiUSA.  Did they involve others
with viewpoints different from their own?  NO!  We have a problem with this.

Many in New York don't understand it's not just "me".  Perhaps someone
needs to ask just how many votes we actually got in the last election. (Of
course, the OrigamiUSA Board will not respond to us.  Their attorney has
advised them to say, "No Comment.")  Indicators told us we had a strong
turnout, even though we told them their votes would be ignored.  At least,
that was reflected in the huge unsolicited response, with VERY strong
sentiments, that I received from members all across the country.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:00:16 -0400
Subject: Re: NO: Proxies (Trust Me- Baby!)

Allen,
In case you are looking for other folks to accept proxies. I'm sure my wife,
(Susan Dugan aka Hobbit or Hoppit) will accept proxies from all those short,
female, dyslexic people out there who feel they are not represented. She can
be trusted too as long as she does not have to spell your name.
Plus we are from South Carolina, so we might get the under-represented
Southern votes, too.Just hope the Board does not ask the voting members to
raise their right hand, it would be a lost cause.
I feel engineer's that are family members and don't fold are also
under-represented, so I would be glad to accept proxies from any engineer's
or family members that don't fold and can't make the Convention.  I promise
to ask that the Sailboat logo be replaced with a "Concrete Canoe" fold. (I'm
A Civil Engineer we try to be polite and like concrete.)
What about making sure the people filling out the cards are REALLY Origami
types, how about a special "Origami Proxy" fold, if you don't get it right
they don't count.
PLEASE.....
Let's keep the Convention fun, rewarding and a learning experience and leave
the lawyers (or their briefs) at home.
Mike Montebello

PS A lite-hearted reply to break up the serious nature of the request.





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:26:39 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Cigarette Paper Folds

This cigarette paper project sound like so much fun.  how can we find out how
to do this.    Hope y ou get more info.  Dorigami





From: Larry Hart <Lazagami@TESCO.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:42:09 +0100
Subject: Re: No Long Messages / Hobbies

NO LONG MESSAGES.

Please, Please, Please DO NOT stop long messages on the list, I find them
very informative & often

(whether intentional or not) entertaining!

Takes a long time to download? I think not, make sure you are setup for the
Digest!

This evenings Digest plus 4 other mails took me about 15 seconds to
download!

Surely this is not that expensive anywhere in the world?

HOBBIES.

A hobby by definition means you spend, how much time on it?

While I can honestly agree that there is life after Origami! I personally
cannot do without it.

I do have other interests ---------  Balloon modelling (brought about
through Origami), Chess,  Sci-fi and

fantasy books / movies, Computers

and Cars (Automobiles) Although the closest runner for my time after origami
has to be the computer,

You can't beat a slow walk on sunny day in the country side, and that's from
a Hayfever sufferer.

Lazagami (Larry Hart)





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:48:35 +0000
Subject: Oriland CD

I just received the "Skeleton's Team" from Oriland (aka the Shumakov's
origami web-site.) It's an amazing work up to their standards of beauty and
excellence in origami. There's enough here to keep you busy till the millenium.
I'll bring it to the convention. Is anyone bringing a computer?

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:54:09 -0700 (
Subject: Tell Me Please...

Just a simple question:  Who pays for all the travel done throughout the
world by OUSA board members on behalf of OUSA?
WC

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From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:04:27 -0400 (
Subject: Re: NO: Proxies (Trust Me- Baby!)

In a message dated 99-06-20 23:55:12 EDT, Susan Dugan writes:

>  I promise
>  to ask that the Sailboat logo be replaced with a "Concrete Canoe" fold.
(I'm
>  A Civil Engineer we try to be polite and like concrete.)

Seems to me, the federal government, or maybe the Navy, did a study
on an ice-and-straw-based material, I think it was called ice-crete or
something like that, and they managed to build a boat hull out of it,
just as a test of the concept. Anyone else remember this story?

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura  ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:04:30 -0400 (
Subject: Re: cigarette wrapper origami

In a message dated 99-06-21 00:32:47 EDT,
Clare.Chamberlain writes:

> I was interested in this origami thread as I posses a number of umbrellas
>  folded from cigarette packages given to me or found while in Japan.  These
>  are a non-purist modular origami model, made by folding squares from the
>  packet (the soft kind of cigarette packet) and gluing them together with
>  toothpicks to make a quite dense model complete with spokes and the
internal
>  structure found in real brollies.

I have, somewhere in my notes, about a dozen photocopied sheets of
instructions that my sister in Hawaii got somewhere, and I snagged
when she didn't want them.

Actually, I remember her offering them to me once, years ago, and I
wasn't interested. Then a few years ago, I found them again while
looking for a notepad at our mother's house, and realized what they
were. I don't know what book, or magazine, or class notes they
originally came from, and my sister doesn't remember how she came
by them. I asked whether she wanted them, and she was going to
throw them out, so, being the packrat I am, I took them.

Since they're in Japanese, I can't read them, but the diagrams are
pretty clear.

It looks like there might be a square transparent template you use
to cut the squares out from successive sheets of unfolded cigarette
pack wrappers, shifting the template along a diagonal line so the
design on successive squares shifts, first up, them back down,
along the diagonal of the square. There are maybe 32 squares.

You're really only interested in the color pattern along the part of the
diagonal that ends up being the top mountain-fold of each 'rib'
of the umbrella. The design is made up of those radiating diagonals,
sort of like a polar coordinate graph.

The designs, I think, included several flowers, birds, a butterfly,
a sakura (cherry blossom), and some abstract shapes. Neat stuff.

It helps if the cigarette brand has a pack wrapper with two or three
large regions of contrasting colors, like, say, diagonal bands, that
you can arrange for the square diagonals to cross. I suspect there
may be other ways to generate color patterns, like rotating the
template instead of sliding it along its diagonal, but I haven't had
time to test that idea.

The instructions seem to include recommendations for stick-ribs
for the paper sections, a center pole/handle, an endcap fashioned
from a smaller square, pleated radially, and a decorative cord tied
around the endcap at the center top of the umbrella.

When assembled, the umbrella is rigid, it doesn't close and open.

They sure look pretty. I have two or three that were my mother's,
souvenirs, I think, from when my sister Karen took her to Japan
to visit relatives and sightsee.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:30:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Tell Me Please...

Wendi Curtis inquired:

"Just a simple question: Who pays for all the travel done throughout the
world by OUSA board members on behalf of OUSA?"

Wendi, perhaps I'm hopelessly caught up in all the accusations and
conspiracies directed at OUSA, but your "just a simple question" somehow
has a faint aroma of implying financial hanky-panky on the part of OUSA
Board members.

Dorothy "I may be right or I may be wrong"  Engleman





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:00:24 -0700 (
Subject: Off-subject:  What are your other hobbies?

Hi!

I think it is very interesting reading about other people's hobbies.
Besides origami, I like doing artwork - particulary painting in gouache
(opaque watercolor), solving puzzles, and composing music.
I also enjoy birdwatching, nature walks and enjoy art and music in general.

Marcia Joy Miller

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From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:38:40 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] Quoting Style

I think Mark got it wrong when choosing the subject -- this is not about
long messages per se; please go on sending long and informative
messages.

Instead, this is about quoting style -- especially about people who
quote the whole article, only to add "me too" or "I agree". Please take
the time and trim your quotes as much as possible.

Perhaps I should say that again:

*** Please take the time and trim your quotes as much as possible! ***

Downloading time is one of the reasons for this, but not the only one. A
more important issue is, in my opinion, readibility: It is simply
tedious to wade through pages of quoted material (which you have read
before) without knowing which of it is relevant, only to find one single
line "I agree" at the bottom. This is especially inconvenient for those
people who receive digests, because they cannot simply skip the message,
but have to scroll through every single message.

So, if you want to make life a little easier for the 500+ people who
read your articles, or if you want your articles to be read at all,
please trim the quoted material as much as possible.

BTW, the standard quoting style is "> " at the beginning of the line,
followed by the quoted text. (This allows eg. some mailreaders to
automatically delete all the stuff that is already quoted when
replying.)

There are some misbehaved mailreaders that append the original message
at the end of the article, separated by "--- original message follows
---" or such. This is absolutely useless, because it makes replying to a
specific paragraph of the article impossible. If you can, please
persuade you mailreader to use the standard quoting style.

It is also considered "standard" to quote some line of the article, then
write the reply to these few lines, then quote the next few lines, then
the reply to these lines etc. This simply makes it easier to see what is
a comment on what.

On Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 11:20:12AM +0100, Mark and Theresa wrote:
> I've been biting my tongue for a long time about this, but I feel it
> has got to be said.

Oh yes, this list has a long and sad history of ignoring style and
netiquette -- because everytime somebody brings these issues up, there
is violent opposition, up to the point where people left the mailing
list because they didn't want to conform to the standard style and
thereby make the list a little more readable for the rest of us. (I hope
this won't happen this time!)

> there are others that send long messages with no new info! I'm talking
> of the sort of thing where someone replies to a long message by
> quoting the whole thing, adding something like "I agree" on the end!

This is, in my opinion, the crucial point of your message -- which I
have taken the liberty to elaborate on. Long messages are not an issue
-- we like long messages (yes, David, we really do!), but we don't like
to wade through quoted text.

This is a long message as well, but I hope it was of some relevance to
the list.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:50:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Tell Me Please...

At 03:54 99/06/21 -0700, you wrote:
>Just a simple question:  Who pays for all the travel done throughout the
>world by OUSA board members on behalf of OUSA?

"All the travel done throughout the world by OUSA board members on behalf of
OUSA"? Where did you get the idea that this goes on? The only person on the
OUSA board who does much world travel is Jan Polish and she pays her own
way, AFAIK.

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From: perryannec <perryannec@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:13:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

hi,

i love to read books on spirituality, simplicity, inspiration, intuition &
alternative health, (but not restricted to) yoga, make natural cosmetics,
feng shui, cooking scandanavian, indian, and assorted other foods, singing,
listening to various types of music, learning norwegian,  tend to a small
vegetable and herb garden, volunteer when i can, travel and am finshing my
studies at Uni- psychology..

love&light,

perryanne





From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@EIEE.UNIVALLE.EDU.CO>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:14:53 -0500
Subject: Other Hobbies.

Hello.
It is very interesting to know more about the origami people.
I have many hobbies. I like to read about history, technology. I use to
listen classical music and some other kind.
I am making my family tree (I have almost 600 persons), in my country,
Colombia, is very difficult to get that information.
I like to surf the internet and (My native language is spanish) to speak
english, I speak english all fridays four hour in two groups of people.
And I like to swin and to travel (when I have time).

     Jos Tomas Buitrago Molina M.Sc.
     buitrago@eiee.univalle.edu.co
     http://eiee.univalle.edu.co/~buitrago

     "Origami y Robtica"





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:29:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Proxy voting

Hello all,

At the risk of feeling emotionally abused once again, I'll try
to clarify some points on the proxy vote/Annual Meeting issue.

Re: giving the OUSA board your proxy vote.
Certainly anyone who wants to let OUSA have their "proxy vote" can
write in the name of a board member and send it to the OUSA home
office.  That being said ...

Dorothy Engleman asks,
>>>
But why hasn't OrigamiUSA provided proxy vote forms to all their
members?
<<<

The reason for this is that there's never been any voting done
whatsoever at all the Annual Meetings I've been to.  The purpose
of the Annual Meetings has been to report the activities, projects,
and ideas that OUSA is involved with and to get feedback from our
members.  As far as I know there is no vote on the adgenda for
this year's Annual Meeting.

If the "proxy vote" mailing is a way to protest, like a petition
to show the OUSA board how many people support the views of those
holding the "proxy", then fine.  That kind of feedback would
be constructive.

If the goal, however, is to make a motion of some sorts, force
a vote at the Annual Meeting, and use the proxy votes to obtain
a majority, I think that would be unfair and a shame.  One of
the strongest reasons against having votes at our Annual Meetings
is because the vast majority of our members can't make it to all of
the NYC conventions.  The only reasonable way for a national organization
to vote on major changes would be for the entire membership
to receive a ballot.

Not having received or read the proxy mailing, I remain ignorant
of the motivation behind the mailing.  If any of my comments are
way-off or interpretable as offensive because of this, then
I apologize.

Sincerely,

----- Tom Hull





From: "elsje van der ploeg, elst nl" <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:51:17 +0200
Subject: Re: what are your hobbies?

Hello to the list,

I am interested in Feng Sui,  food according to the 5 elements,
music according to the 5 elements.
I am busy with the energy of stones: (clay, ceramic, sculpture)
I do Tacoyo.(training, breating, condition and yoga)

I am following a book now about energy in cosmos, man and earth.
I like Suminagashi: to empty your head an let cosmos work.
I like Ikebana.
Writing this I discover this is more than a hobby: Could it be Taoism ?

All the best.
xxxxxxx elsje





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:08:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Proxy voting

In response to my question, "why hasn't OrigamiUSA provided proxy vote
forms to all their members?" Tom Hull wrote:

"The reason for this is that there's never been any voting done
whatsoever at all the Annual Meetings I've been to. The purpose of the
Annual Meetings has been to report the activities, projects, and ideas
that OUSA is involved with and to get feedback from our members. As far
as I know there is no vote on the agenda for this year's Annual
Meeting."

Thanks, Tom, for your clarification!

My recollection of the Annual Board meeting is decidely dim. I last
attended an OUSA convention in 1988.

It's definitely time to start my "Convention2000 or Bust" savings
campaign.

Dorothy





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:23:30 -0400
Subject: NO; Re: Off-subject : What are your other hobbies ?

I have two other hobbies.  I started doing fancy and practical knotwork
years ago while serving in the navy. Knotwork actually has some aspects
in common with origami, with paper replaced by cordage and folds
replaced by twists and turns. Small steps carefully and patiently made
can end up as complex, beautiful objects.  Just as origami, knotting has
a long history, although knotting (along with its sister craft string
figures) is far more ancient.  A point of difference: the 'golden age'
of knotwork was during the 19th century in the last years of the Age of
Sail, while the 'golden age' of origami is happening right now! Just as
origami and mathematics are strongly linked, there is an entire branch
of mathematics devoted to knot theory.  Knotting is known to all
cultures, both practical and decorative, with nautical and oriental
knotwork being particularly interesting.  There is even a knotting
Joseph Wu in the likeness of Peter Suber, who has created a 'flagship'
website:

Knots on the Web       http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/knotlink.htm

There is an international organization dedicated to knotwork, with
branches in several countries:

The International Guild of Knot Tyers    http://www.webshirt.com/IGKT/

Along with the usual bell ropes and belts, I've made ornate covers for
bottles using square knotting (macrame), sailors knots (turks heads,
star knots), and Chinese priest cord knots. I haven't done one in years,
though.  When I was a young sailor I had a thriving 'business' in that
my shipmates would give me full wine bottles, and I would give them back
a decorated hanging bottle, minus the contents, of course!

Another little pastime is shell art, specifically, I make little
anthropomorphic 'creatures' from lobster parts, driftwood and shells
scavenged from beachcombing.  They say you can't have your cake and eat
it too but you CAN have your lobster and eat it too.  The trick is to
pick the meat carefully out from the lobster without destroying the
parts.  By the way, this is the northern lobster Homarus americanus, the
one with the big claws, which lives along the northeast coast of North
America with a closely related species found in northern Europe. The
segmented tail fits neatly into the carapace to make the torso of the
creature. The head is formed from one of the claws, with the lobster's
eyes glued (sorry for using the cuss word, but there are no convenient
locking tabs!) into place. The arms are a pair of the lobster's walking
legs, the creature's legs are the two pairs of 'knuckles' (the big
segments attaching the claws).  The feet are a pair of tail paddles
(uropods), and the tail is one of the antennae stiffened with stainless
steel wire.  The creature's hat is the test (shell) of a sea urchin.
The base is made of a piece of driftwood, preferably riddled with
shipworm (a mollusc) or gribble (a crustacean) holes, with local shells
or other beachcombed flotsam used for decoration. I usually make and
give them away to folks at work who are retiring or to graduate students
upon their graduation.  I don't sell them because no one would pay for
the time it takes to make one (it takes me about a week to make one).

By now, you're probably sorry you asked!

Cheers,

Terry Rioux
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From: Deborah Foreman-Takano <dforeman@MAIL.DOSHISHA.AC.JP>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:24:16 +0900
Subject: NO: Re: What are your hobbies?

It's great to hear about what *else* everybody
is interested in!

I am a collector of art kaleidoscopes. I'm a
member of the Nihon Mangekyou Kurabu (Japan
Kaleidoscope Club)--I live in Kyoto--and we
have meetings where we learn to make various
kinds of kaleidoscopes, as well as rub
shoulders and minds with some kaleidoscope\
artists from Japan and abroad.

I am also a devotee of Bunraku--Japanese clas-
sical puppet theatre. I talk about it and am
in the process of writing about it.

I also enjoy working with hocho--Japanese
traditional cooking knives. Some years ago
I apprenticed myself to a Japanese fishmonger
in my neighborhood in order to learn not
only how to use the different knives in
filleting and other things, but which fish
are good in which season, for which kinds
of Japanese cuisine. Of course, good fish
are a little harder to come by now that I
am in Kyoto; I used to live between the
Japan Sea and the Inland Sea, and that is
*really* a great place for seafood!

Deborah Foreman-Takano
dforeman@mail.doshisha.ac.jp





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:47:02 -0400
Subject: LaFosse Exhibit

>From:    Michael LaFosse <info@ORIGAMIDO.COM>
>As for myself, I collect and study seashells.

This reminds me, last Saturday my wife Maggie and I saw Michael
LaFosse's exhibit at the Cahoon Museum of American Art in Cotuit,
Massachusetts on Cape Cod.  Well done, Michael!  I would heartily
recommend a visit as a side trip (it's about 200 miles from NYC) to OUSA
conventioneers coming from afar.  Michael is a true origami artist,
assembling origami into framed works of art. The most impressive piece
is the hummingbirds with desert flower assemblage made from his handmade
agave pulp paper. I would have liked to have seen the complete Sonoran
desert exhibit in Arizona.

One question for Michael: where do you get extra wide shadow box
frames?  Do you make them yourself, or is there a source for the pieces?

Cheers,

Terry Rioux
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From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:28:50 +0800
Subject: cigarette wrapper origami

I was interested in this origami thread as I posses a number of umbrellas
folded from cigarette packages given to me or found while in Japan.  These
are a non-purist modular origami model, made by folding squares from the
packet (the soft kind of cigarette packet) and gluing them together with
toothpicks to make a quite dense model complete with spokes and the internal
structure found in real brollies.

The most fascinating thing is that the paper is cut so that various designs
are formed on the outside of the model if glued together correctly.  One
used to be able to but kits of pre-printed paper (for non-smokers) too, and
I am sure I have seen how to books (but never bought them as I would never
be able to get enough packs to fold!).  At least a couple of the models I
have stored somewhere were found on 'big garbage day' when people (who live
in small homes) throw out a wide range of quite useful stuff - a friend even
found a working moped, and I got some kimono and Japanese chinaware!!).

On another thread - pun intended, I do a lot of cross-stitch and sewing,
plus a number of paper arts, including quilling, Japanese doll and card
cabinet making and have dabbled at paper tole.  I also loved Oshie, Japanese
form of padded silk picture, but I can't get the silk and stuff to do it
here  :-(.

And on a final note, I find the emerging discussion of why people fold quite
fascinating - I do enjoy the folding sequence, but I also love making
beautiful things, and working out ways of using origami such as mobiles,
cards and jewellery -and of course sharing it with others.  As those of you
who know me know, I actually prefer the magic of a few folds transforming
the paper into a wonderful model, rather than the 190 stage fold..but 'vive
la difference...'

Clare





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:30:38 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] Quoting Style

On 21 Jun 99, at 9:38, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 11:20:12AM +0100, Mark and Theresa wrote:
> > I've been biting my tongue for a long time about this, but I feel it
> > has got to be said.
>
> Oh yes, this list has a long and sad history of ignoring style and
> netiquette -- because everytime somebody brings these issues up, there
> is violent opposition, up to the point where people left the mailing
> list because they didn't want to conform to the standard style and
> thereby make the list a little more readable for the rest of us. (I hope
> this won't happen this time!)

Indeed true.  It is not like us folks who complain about the lack of
consideration of some posters are making up rules on the fly and this is
all a matter of "opinions are like rear ends, everyone has one".  Email
is not a new medium and over the years folks have learned a fair bit
about effective and courteous ways to use it.

If you've never read it (for shame!), you should go check out RFC 1855
[you can use this URL if you can't otherwise find a copy of the RFC:

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

]

In along with a huge amount of good advice, it recommends:

>     - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
>       summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
>       enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make sure
>       readers understand when they start to read your response. Since
>       NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings
>       from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a
>       message before seeing the original.  Giving context helps everyone.
>       But do not include the entire original!

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From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:38:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Tell Me Please...

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Joseph Wu wrote:

> "All the travel done throughout the world by OUSA board members on behalf of
> OUSA"? Where did you get the idea that this goes on? The only person on the
> OUSA board who does much world travel is Jan Polish and she pays her own
> way, AFAIK.

I think this is a good question.  There are OrigamiUSA funds set up for
the very purpose of paying for people's travel to other parts of the
country and we have never heard anything about how those funds are
distributed. Jan Polish has been the most "visible" person
traveling.... I think a lack of information makes one wonder.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Jeff DeHerdt <jadeherd@IUPUI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:23:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

        I'm trying my best to consolidate my hobbies(way too many, IMHO)
   so they at least "feed into" each other. Here's the brief description
   anyway(and how I'm trying to relate them to origami):

   collecting -
        comic books(still trying to make a good batarang fold and masks)
        comic statues(haven't worked up to this, but eventually would like
                      to create these out of paper). I don't create my own
                      statues - I buy other's creations.
   matting - pictures and comic art mainly, although I've seen some neat
             examples of matted origami.
   karate and weightlifting - haven't figured out a direct relation to
             origami yet, but I think I've seen a nifty yin-yang symbol
             somewhere(Jeremy Shaefer, maybe?)
   jazz music/piano - not really a hobby since I'm doing it for a living
             but since I really, really like it I don't consider it a job.
             I'm trying to work my way to a certain upright bass fiddler
             sax, drummer and piano 3-d origami model I've seen(possibly a
             Lang??)

        Hopefully, I'll have more time for all of these during a brief
summer break in my engineering classes(esp. origami). It seems to me the
one thing I've discovered about fellow origamists seems to be that they
are very well rounded(or they try to do too many things at once, which
ever you prefer ;).

                                Jeffrey DeHerdt





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:00:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

I am a "Modern Era" antiquer:  specifically, Glidden Pottery (upstate NY
1944-1958), Higgins Glass (Chicago husband and wife artists, circa
1940-present, and Kensington aluminum (New Kensington, PA, circa 1936)

I also collect barbershopiana and have built a circa 1959 barbershop in my
home (instead of a dining room)

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com

------------------------------
Date:    Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:44:22 +0200
From:    CASALONGA Jean-Jerome <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Subject: Off-subject : What are you other hobbies ?

        Dear all,

    Origami is not the ONLY thing interesting in life.  So, I would like to
know if some of you have other hobbies.  Maube this will allow us to see
that we share other things than Origami.





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:07:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Tell Me Please...

Allen, you wrote:

"There are OrigamiUSA funds set up for the very purpose of paying for
people's travel to other parts of the country and we have never heard
anything about how those funds are distributed. Jan Polish has been the
most "visible" person traveling.... I think a lack of information makes
one wonder."

How can there be a lack of information when I don't remember this
question ever being posed to the OUSA Board before?

I find the innuendos of OrigamiUSA financial impropriety contained in
this line of questioning very distasteful.  Please, for all who are
interested, reserve your questions for the Annual Board Meeting.

Dorothy





From: "Dolphin G." <dolphing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:37:54 -0700 (
Subject: Re: [NO] Quoting Style

I've been trying toet Hotmail to reply normally (with ">"'s).  However, it
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:15:21 -0700
Subject: Re: "Origami Practitioners"

At 19:11 99/06/21 -0400, Dorigami wrote:
>I just thought of a great way to call ourselves....Origami
>practitioners........I like that better than Origamiists or origamists.  What
>do the rest of you call yourselves and what do you think of my idea.
>Sometimes I call myself an origami specialist but I like this new one better.

"Paperfolders".
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From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:30:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Tell Me Please...

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> I find the innuendos of OrigamiUSA financial impropriety contained in
> this line of questioning very distasteful.  Please, for all who are
> interested, reserve your questions for the Annual Board Meeting.

I was responding to Wendi Curtis' question: "Who pays for all the travel
done throughout the world by OUSA board members on behalf of OUSA?"

It's a valid question and we HAVE the right to discuss it.  We're not
saying that improprieties are being done, rather we're saying we would
like more information.  Not having access to the information makes one
"wonder".

Should we not question our leadership in any way?  Give them Carte
Blance?  I suppose you were a die-hard Richard Nixon fan to the end.
There needs to be accountability.

We are entitled to question how our money is spent.  The problem is the
OrigamiUSA board has positioned themself as an autocratic government,
answerable to no one. They won't answer our questions and they keep us in
the dark as to the organization's going ons.  You suggest asking such
questions at the Annual Meeting.  Please do!  You'll find you won't get an
answer.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Sam Kendig <neuro_mancer42@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:32:21 -0700
Subject: Re: other hobbies

Hobbies always bring up interesting discussions, since they can be so
varied. As for me, besides spending a good deal of time folding, I'm an
avid fencer (although not a very good one). Also love dealing with
complex mathematics, and just got a paper published in our highschool's
math paper. I'm trying to start designing my own origami models, but
that's a slow process, and there's not much time for it, as school's
taking over more and more of my time...

Popping out from lurking mode,
Sam
Neuro_Mancer42@yahoo.com

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:32:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Tell Me Please...

At 16:30 99/06/21 -0700, Allen Parry wrote:
>The problem is the
>OrigamiUSA board has positioned themself as an autocratic government,
>answerable to no one. They won't answer our questions and they keep us in
>the dark as to the organization's going ons.  You suggest asking such
>questions at the Annual Meeting.  Please do!  You'll find you won't get an
>answer.

Allen, if you are convinced that nothing is going to change, why bother
talking about it?

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From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:24:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Tell Me Please...

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Joseph Wu wrote:

> Allen, if you are convinced that nothing is going to change, why bother
> talking about it?

Why do "you" think I am convinced of that thinks are not going to
change???  Did I say that???  I don't think so.

I believe things are going to change. But the OrigamiUSA Board are
begrudgingly resisting open representation on the Board.  At some point,
that will change.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:30:28 -0400 (
Subject: Re: British Origami Society Magazine June 1999

Hi Penny, How much do I need to send in American Money....could I use Visa?
For the magazine that is.  It sounds great.  Are you coming to OUSA
Convention.  I am thinking about coming to your next one.....Love Dorigami
(Dorothy Kaplan)





From: Deborah Miller <jpm14@CORNELL.EDU>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:44:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Off-subject : What are your other hobbies ?

Making collage cards.  Which means collecting lots of fun papers to
use--and fold (old greek textbook, soil and topographical maps)
Gardening, reading-(history, sci-fi, religion and philosophy), Mexican and
South American cooking.

Deborah Miller
Freeville, NY
