




From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:39:57 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Convention numbers

Dear Kathryn,

Thank you so very much for offering to helps us collate papers this weekend.
I understand your desire to avoid being indoors in the event of beautiful
weather.  Therefore, since I don't really trust the weatherman, please select
whatever day you prefer.  If I don't see you on Saturday, I'll assume you'll
be coming out on Sunday, ok?  As it turns out, I have more volunteers on
Saturday (about 14) than Sunday (about 10).  However, since others are still
confirming their participation, the numbers may change.  I am just hoping
that we get enough help to complete all the collating by Sunday!

One other thing:  THANK YOU for your comments to the list regarding the
registration and class ticketing numbers.  So many people are becoming
paranoid about people from the NYC area getting major advantages over others.
 It's becoming a really bad "WE VS. THEM" attitude which I don't like and is
very unfair.  I think it was great that you mentioned your own situation and
ticking numbers so others will hopefully readjust their thinking...

Looking forward to seeing you this weekend!

Yours,

June





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:01:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Convention numbers

On 1 Jun 99, at 22:39, Foldmaster@AOL.COM wrote:

> Thank you so very much for offering to helps us collate papers this weekend.
 ...

Are we to get the rather unequivocal message that low-registration
numbers are offered to the voluteers as rewards for their efforts?

Note that I have no complaint about such a thing if it were true: when
I've done volunteer stuff like that, some sort of perk was derigeur
[e.g., some comp'ed tickets to a play I did sound for, and the like].

But it would be a delightful bit of honesty in the midst of the murk
that's been swirling about this sort of stuff to actually admit that
that's the sort of thing that goes on (as a less cutesy reply to
Kathryn's question), and perhaps if you offered that "benny" more
publicly, you'd get more volunteers!

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:06:36 -0400
Subject: "That" Rhododendron flower from OUSA '98

At the 1998 OUSA Annual Convention, one of the "hot" models (a favorite during
the after hours folding), was a flower model from "some issue of NOA
magazine." It was dubbed a Rhododendron by the folks I heard talking about
it, but its name and creator were not known.

While looking for something else, I stumbled across this model after getting a
hint from another Western PA folder that it would be in an issue recent
enough that I probably had it.

The model is "Flower" by Kyoko Enomoto and appears in the June '96 NOA
magazine (also number #250).

The model as diagrammed is slightly different than as I learnt it at
the convention. At the convention it was a five piece flower and one
piece leaves/calyx base. In the NOA magazine, it is only a four piece flower
and one piece leaves/calyx base. The "central/top" piece as taught at
convention must have been a "local" variation. The version I learnt at the
convention also had a "lock" to hold the flower and leaves/calyx together and
that lock is not in the diagrams. Shown in the diagrams is a variation on the
leaves/calyx where the petal folds do not go all the way to a point at the
outer most points of the leaves, giving a nicer (IHMO) rounder look.

For all those who don't know what I'm talking about, I'm sorry I cannot
just post/publish the diagrams. They are copyright NOA. If anyone can
obtain permission from NOA and the creator, I would be willing to put a
scan of the diagrams up on my web site

-D'gou





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:11:00 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Is the OUSA Convention Numbering System Rigged?

I live in Albuquerque, NM-

My number for Saturday is 108 for Sunday is 88.  Actually Monday is my
highest number at 158.  I received my registration packet on the Friday after
they were sent out and faxed it in on Monday.

In other years without faxing I have receive low numbers even with being in
the boonies of NM

Patty





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:38:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Convention numbers

On 1 Jun 99, at 23:01, Bernie Cosell wrote:

> On 1 Jun 99, at 22:39, Foldmaster@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > Thank you so very much for offering to helps us collate papers this weekend.
>  ...
>
> Are we to get the rather unequivocal message that low-registration
> numbers are offered to the voluteers as rewards for their efforts?

I apologize for this comment... apparently the fog of folks posting
private-responses out to the whole list managed to confuse me about who
was answering which.  [In partial mitigation, the note to which I
responded [by foldmaster] included *no* prior context  and so it was
anyones guess exactly whose article (and which comments therein) it was
responding to (and I didn't catch it as a mis-addressed private reply) --
and to make it worse, by the wonders of email propagation, I got [and
replied to] foldmaster's note *before* Kathryn's arrived here [and so
misunderstood it to be a reply to June's original inquiry, and not a
private reply to Kathryn].  Aren't we all glad the listserv is set up to
have "reply to list" be the default... :o)

Sigh.. I should know better...

  /Bernie\

ps, btw, if it were up to me (NYC-centric or not! :o)), I'd give the
voluteers free admission to the convention (and probably low numbers,
too!).  Seems only fair... /b\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:53:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami for Advertising

At 10:08 PM 6/1/99 +0100, Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM> wrote:

>Of course, there's no reason why origami should be photogenic, because very
>few models -- if any -- are created with the intention of being
>photographed, but it can mean that from a start list of 150 possibles, I'm
>pushed to find 35 photogenic models for a new book.  I'm not exaggerating!
>And then I don't always get it right.
>
>Does this sound like nonsense, or do other photographers of origami
>understand what I'm trying to say?  I think it's an important topic.

First, welcome to the list Paul! I have always respected your opinion, so
it is good to hear your voice heard in this venue. I have prety much given
up photographing models at conventions, as my results are consistenly poor.
Asides from my (lack of) photography skills, I have found most works to be
way too small to be rendered effectively through the lens. How has size
affected the quality of your work?

Thank you for pringing up paper colour as an issue. It never occured to me
that paper could be too white; I always thougght the enhancement of shadows
is a plus with pasty paper.

Since I think the issues of creating exhibition models and photogenic
models are related, I was wondering what sorts of charecteristics lead to a
model being photogenic? Did those 35 models have anything in common?

This is a very interesting subject to me, and I am not even sure where to
begin asking the questions, but I hope to learn from the responses.

Marc





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:45:42 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Monstruous de Papel (WAS: Re: Paris Convention)

In a message dated 6/2/99 6:13:04 AM Central Daylight Time, lory@NETSIS.IT
writes:
<< I'm interesting to know how to receive Guajardo Gomez new book (sorry
 for my terrible english, i'm italian)
  Can u put me in contact, via mail, with him? I think to write him by
 mail (not e-mail) is too long :(

Hey Lorenzo,

I am working on getting that info... it may take me a couple of days.

BTW, please note that I erred when I stated his name to be Fernando Guajardo
Gomez... it is actually  Fernando GILGARDO Gomez.... just needed clear that
up.

I will let you know.

Sincerely,
Russell Sutherland

DARE TO FOLD!!





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:05:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Monstruos de Papel -> See the model in Spin panorama picture

At 02:35 PM 6/2/1999 +0200, Ariel wrote:

>Let me quote a guy who recently contacted Fernando a couple of days ago
>about buying his book:
>
>>I just spoke to Fernando on the phone. What fun! His English is not very
>good, and my Spanish is even worse! I think we managed, though. >He asked me
>to send him a letter and 2000 pesetas (I checked and that's about 12 US
>dollars, so that seems like it might be about right), >and he would send me
>the book. I'm going to see if I can get an international postal money order
>in pesetas, as I'm not comfortable sending >cash. I'm not sure where I would
>get pesetas anyhow!

That would be me. I contacted my local post office to see if I could get an
     international money order to send to Spain, but they only have them for
     some countries and Spain isn't one of them. Next I was going to contact my
     bank to see what they can do. Wi
 ing the money might be an option, but that would mean setting it up with
     Fernando, and I think that would be difficult because of the language
     barrier, unless I could get someone to act as interpreter.

I'll keep you all posted.

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:31:59 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Monstruous de Papel (WAS: Re: Paris Convention)

In a message dated 6/2/99 6:47:06 AM Central Daylight Time, RGS467@AOL.COM
writes:
<<  I erred when I stated his name to be Fernando Guajardo
 Gomez... it is actually  Fernando GILGARDO Gomez.... just needed clear that
 up.
  >>

OK.... 3rd times the charm???   Fernando GILGADO Gomez   An Englishman gave
me his full name over the phone... I just ASSUMED that the "r" was in there.
My bad.
       ASSUME =  (_|_) <---U & ME---> (_|_)

LoneFolder : \

DARE TO GET IT RIGHT???





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:54:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Monstruos de Papel -> See the model in Spin panorama picture

Ariel indited:

+Fernando lives in Spain and  is currently not available on the internet.
+But you can contact him on the phone. (When in Miami is lunch time -12:00,
+in Spain is about 17:00 or so, so watch out for time differences).
+
+He did a home-production of books which he sells himself, so forget about
+buying the book in a store.
+
+You might try sending him a letter with the money, but that is dangerous
+because the letter can be stolen at the postal office if they see or even
+suspect there is money in it. You can try using Western Union or any other
+system to get the money in his hands.
+
+As another option, Fernando will be attending the Scandinavic Origami
+Convention this year, so you can come here to Stockholm and learn the devil
+directly from him.  :-)
+
+Those interested can email me privately to get Fernando's contact info.

Recently someone else posted with the offer to forward email, but that
doesn't seem to have panned out. I am willing to volunteer to put
together a group order for North America. I did this a few years ago
for one of the Tanteidan convention books. Its probably easier and
cheaper to make one bulk shipment to the US, rather than many little
ones. Price per book would depend on actual shipping costs from Spain
to US, plus the $3.20 priority mail (extra, if you want the insurance),
from me to the eventual recipient in the US, or actual postage costs to
the rest of North America. Given the time for international shipping,
the possibility that more books might have to be produced, this isn't
an overnight deal. With the Tanteidan convention books I was able to
find out the costs in advance. Since the shipping will depend on the
size of the order, I wouldn't be able to get an exact cost until the
books had been shipped, but I'm betting we can get a ballpark figure.

What I'd need to pull this off:  Someone willing to bridge
the language barrier between Fernando and I.

To see if this would be worthwhile, I'd need to get a gauge of interest
level.  If you are interested, drop me a note at: dwp@transarc.com
indicating how much you'd be willing to pay (total cost) and how many
copies at that cost you'd be interested in. From previous origami list
messages, it _seems_ as if it would be approximately $15+share of
shipping from Spain to US.

THIS IS NOT AN OFFER TO BROKER, I AM JUST SEEING IF THERE IS ENOUGH
INTEREST TO BOTHER TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT.
(Sorry to shout, but I wanted that to be quite clear).

-D'gou





From: Jan_Polish@COLPAL.COM
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:41:15 -0400
Subject: Is the OUSA Convention Numbering System Rigged?

I'm on digest, and don't receive the list until 4pm or later, but someone
forwarded me the message from Wendi Curtis on this topic. What we did this year
was little different from prior years, i.e., we used an absolutely fair random
lottery system, with no locational bias, separate for each day, for the first
week's postmarks. The only difference is that since we mailed late this year,
that first week was extremely large - 365 people. (We also waited extra time to
make sure we included those people who said they had received their mail after
the deadline.) So yes, there could easily be 170 numbers, or 250 numbers,
between an attendee's Saturday and Sunday numbers.

We've tried over the years to make the priority number system as fair as
possible. In prior years the mailing method we used, first class mail sent all
together from the main post office in NYC, worked very well. People in
Cincinnati and California received their mail the same time as people in the
Bronx (or before - Bronx mail is notoriously slow), usually in 2-3 days. This
year we found that there were very strange happenings. Pockets of the country
were extremely delayed (the Carolinas, Northwest). People in the same household
received their forms a week or more apart. Canadian members got their forms in 2
days, rather than the 3 weeks it sometimes took in the past. We're not sure what
happened, and we continue to pursue it with the post office and Pitney-Bowes so
that it will not recur. And, yes, of course we will try to send the forms out
earlier next year.

Meanwhile, we're doing our best to treat everyone as fairly as we can. Anyone
who has commented on their form that they received it late was included in the
initial lottery, and will have their late fees, if paid, refunded at the
convention. If anyone still has issues, they're welcome to email me privately at
jan@origami-usa.org.  .... Jan Polish

Wendi Curtis wrote:

I just received my numbers for the OUSA convention.  I was wondering if all the
low numbers (< then 125) for Saturday went to those around New York City?  (It
looks like they are stacking the deck for the fireworks on Saturday at the
busness meeting!) The reason for this question is that there are about 170
numbers between what I have for Saturday and Sunday.  In the past, it has seemed
to me that mostly New York area people have the low numbers for Saturday's
classes.  Can somebody explain how the numbering assignment system worked this
year?  Knowing a lot of people did not receive their registration packet until
late, was there anything different done this year?





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:32:18 +0200
Subject: Is ONLY the OUSA Convention Numbering System Rigged?

Wendi Curtis wrote:
>I just received my numbers for the OUSA convention. I was wondering if all
>the low numbers (< then 125) for Saturday went to those around New York
>City?

Don't you follow alt.conspiracy.ousa? There it says that not only they
rigged the numbers, but also that there's a tiny monitoring device in
the nametag that relays all conversations to the FBI!

Matthias
paranoically challenged





From: "elsje van der ploeg, elst nl" <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:37:04 +0200
Subject: Froebel?

Hello
I am new to the list
And I would very much like to know
If there are any diagrams of Friedrich Froebels
Paperfolding.

Elsje van der Ploeg
Evdploeg@betuwe.net





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:40:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Maxim Candries wrote:

>Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
>nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
>said: 'Cute, but what is it?'

A sumo wrestler? Dino said it was a generic human, but it looks bulky and
almost cartoonish, and seems to have something wrapped around its
midsection, like a sumo wrestler.

-Eric :-P
origami@netspace.org

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From: Bob Nienhuis <nienhuis@WGN.NET>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:41:17 -0700
Subject: Out of print books on demand?

Hello list readers,

Just saw an interesting article about a new process that my solve
the problem of getting out of print origami (and other) books.

Border's books is about to start a service whereby they can print
a book from a digital master right in the store. The whole process
takes about 15 minutes.

See: http://www.pioneerplanet.com:80/seven-days/1/business/docs/010850.htm
for more information.

Bob Nienhuis (Who, unfortunately, has no financial interest in this.)

nienhuis@wgn.net
Origami page: http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:00:47 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

In a message dated 6/2/99 9:57:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
Maxim.Candries@NCL.AC.UK writes:

<< Hello everybody,

 Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
 nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
 said: 'Cute, but what is it?'
 I am curious whether my fellow folders are better at this; have a look
 at the picture on:
 http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
 and let me know what you think it is.
 Keep on folding! >>

It's abundantly clear to me what the model is..... it is not a human being,
nor is it a sumo wrestler... though I can see how one could see both of
those.  My warped mind clearly sees a pullet... a chicken.... plucked and
ready for the fryer.... like the dancing ones in that Robert Palmer video...
or maybe I am just hungry???

Larry Hart showed me a similar model made out of a dinner napkin.
Unfortunately, I got (and continue to get) basically the same response with
it.  I, however, discovered if you "demonstrate" it.... manipulate the wings
and legs like it is dancing .... and hum some Palmer lyrics... it seems to
help : \

SERIOUSLY!

Russell
AKA: LoneFolder

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!





From: Pamela Dailey <pdailey@IBM.NET>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:53:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

Russell Sutherland wrote:

>  I am curious whether my fellow folders are better at this; have a look
>  at the picture on:
>  http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
>  and let me know what you think it is.
>

So what do your friends say when you tell them what it is ? "Oh that's fowl!!"
Ha, ha...I can see the chicken - no problem.
I think it's  hilariously funny and would love to have you sitting at my table
humming  and dancing to the Chicken Dance .....especially some of the dinners I
have to go to <snore>.

Pamela





From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:06:37 +0200
Subject: Re: Monstruous de Papel (WAS: Re: Paris Convention)

I'm interesting to know how to receive Guajardo Gomez new book (sorry
for my terrible english, i'm italian)

Can u put me in contact, via mail, with him? I think to write him by
mail (not e-mail) is too long :(

Thank u very much,
Lorenzo

Jorma Oksanen wrote:
>
> On 23-May-99, Russell Sutherland (RGS467@AOL.COM) wrote:
>
> >Fernando Guajardo Gomez exhibited his collection of monsters from his
> >new book "Origami Monsters." Fernando uses interesting papers to fold
> >his intricate creatures.  This book is a must for those who have an
> >interest in SCI-FI...  if not for the ALIEN alone.
>
> Not just one alien, three aliens!  Facehugger, baby alien and an adult
> one.  Well, I might just type in the contents:
>
> Luna                    Moon
> Sol                     Sun
> Alien 1                 Facehugger
> Alien 2                 Baby alien
> Alien 3                 Adult alien
> Satiro                  Satyre
> Minotauro               Minotaur
> Demonio                 Demon
> Dragsn                  Dragon
> Dragsn Chino            Chinese dragon
> Dragsn de 3 Cabezas     Three-headed dragon (with three different heads)
>
> All text in Spanish but diagrams are very clear (and there's very
> little text in diagrams anyway).  The book doesn't have an ISBN, so
> you alien-freaks should probably write to
>
> Fernando Gilgado Gomez
> C/ Valdecanillas 65, 2-C
> 28037 Madrid
> ESPANA
>
> Phone: 917541646 (+whaterver it takes to call Spain from your country!)
>
> I have his email address somewhere so I can forward your mail to him
> or simply tell it to ones asking for it in private mail (if I get his
> permission to do that, that is).
>
> For masochist alien freaks:  use 70cm (~27") leatherette sheet for the
> facehugger and you have an instant sci-fi -convention mask...
>
> --
> Jorma "hug me anytime" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi
>
> Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds

--
 ----------------------------------------
   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:02:55 -0400 (
Subject: Funky Chicken   WAS: Re: Experiment in recognition

In a message dated 6/2/99 9:57:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
Maxim.Candries@NCL.AC.UK writes:

<<
 Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
 nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
 said: 'Cute, but what is it?' >>

Then, I wrote:

Larry Hart showed me a similar model made out of a dinner napkin.
...................................

The napkin fold I was refering to in the previous post was of the same
subject matter, but a completely different fold.  I do not want to take away
from the genius that is the new model by MAXIM.... Great job.... Keep it up!

Russell : \

DARE TO FOLD THE FUNKY CHICKEN!!!!!





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:35:49 +0200
Subject: Monstruos de Papel -> See the model in Spin panorama picture

It seems that more and more people are interested in Fernando's demon, which
for me sounds logical, since it is a great model. :-)

So Dino Andreozzi and I did a spin type of panoramic picture ( you can see
the model from any angle in the 360 degres range) from a model Fernando
taught me at the Scandinavic Convention in Stockholm last year.

You can look at it here ( you need quicktime viewer, which you can download
at www.quicktime.com )

http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46551/movies/spin.html

( the model looks even better when folded by someone more qualified than me
:-)

For those interested in buying the book where the folding instructions for
the model are, well, the situation is like this:

Fernando lives in Spain and  is currently not available on the internet.
But you can contact him on the phone. (When in Miami is lunch time -12:00,
in Spain is about 17:00 or so, so watch out for time differences).

He did a home-production of books which he sells himself, so forget about
buying the book in a store.

Let me quote a guy who recently contacted Fernando a couple of days ago
about buying his book:

>I just spoke to Fernando on the phone. What fun! His English is not very
good, and my Spanish is even worse! I think we managed, though. >He asked me
to send him a letter and 2000 pesetas (I checked and that's about 12 US
dollars, so that seems like it might be about right), >and he would send me
the book. I'm going to see if I can get an international postal money order
in pesetas, as I'm not comfortable sending >cash. I'm not sure where I would
get pesetas anyhow!

So you can try contacting him on the phone and discuss how to send him the
money and give him your adress.
You might try sending him a letter with the money, but that is dangerous
because the letter can be stolen at the postal office if they see or even
suspect there is money in it. You can try using Western Union or any other
system to get the money in his hands.

As another option, Fernando will be attending the Scandinavic Origami
Convention this year, so you can come here to Stockholm and learn the devil
directly from him.  :-)

Those interested can email me privately to get Fernando's contact info.

Cheers,

                Ariel

PS1: We are trying to put more cool stuff into Origami Sweden homepage like
this spin-panorama. http:://welcome.to/Origami.Sverige

-----Original Message-----
From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Monstruous de Papel (WAS: Re: Paris Convention)

>I'm interesting to know how to receive Guajardo Gomez new book (sorry
>for my terrible english, i'm italian)
>
>Can u put me in contact, via mail, with him? I think to write him by
>mail (not e-mail) is too long :(
>
>Thank u very much,
>Lorenzo
>
>Jorma Oksanen wrote:
>>
>> On 23-May-99, Russell Sutherland (RGS467@AOL.COM) wrote:
>>
>> >Fernando Guajardo Gomez exhibited his collection of monsters from his
>> >new book "Origami Monsters." Fernando uses interesting papers to fold
>> >his intricate creatures.  This book is a must for those who have an
>> >interest in SCI-FI...  if not for the ALIEN alone.
>>
>> Not just one alien, three aliens!  Facehugger, baby alien and an adult
>> one.  Well, I might just type in the contents:
>>
>> Luna                    Moon
>> Sol                     Sun
>> Alien 1                 Facehugger
>> Alien 2                 Baby alien
>> Alien 3                 Adult alien
>> Satiro                  Satyre
>> Minotauro               Minotaur
>> Demonio                 Demon
>> Dragsn                  Dragon
>> Dragsn Chino            Chinese dragon
>> Dragsn de 3 Cabezas     Three-headed dragon (with three different heads)
>>
>> All text in Spanish but diagrams are very clear (and there's very
>> little text in diagrams anyway).  The book doesn't have an ISBN, so
>> you alien-freaks should probably write to
>>
>> Fernando Gilgado Gomez
>> C/ Valdecanillas 65, 2-C
>> 28037 Madrid
>> ESPANA
>>
>> Phone: 917541646 (+whaterver it takes to call Spain from your country!)
>>
>> I have his email address somewhere so I can forward your mail to him
>> or simply tell it to ones asking for it in private mail (if I get his
>> permission to do that, that is).
>>
>> For masochist alien freaks:  use 70cm (~27") leatherette sheet for the
>> facehugger and you have an instant sci-fi -convention mask...
>>
>> --
>> Jorma "hug me anytime" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi
>>
>> Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds
>
>--
> ----------------------------------------
>   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
>   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:11:45 +0200
Subject: SV:      Monstruos de Papel -> See the model in Spin panorama picture

> PS1: We are trying to put more cool stuff into Origami Sweden homepage like
> this spin-panorama. http:://welcome.to/Origami.Sverige

The correct address is:
http://welcome.to/origami.sverige

Fernando's devil was also published in the 1st SOM convention book, a few
     copies are still available so for more details e-mail me privately at:
     dion@hem.passagen.se  The convention book price is 12$ + shipping fees.

Regards

Dino

PS: included in our convention book is also Fernando's beautiful model called
     "La Luna" (the Moon).





From: Maxim Candries <Maxim.Candries@NCL.AC.UK>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:39:29 +0100
Subject: Experiment in recognition

Hello everybody,

Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
said: 'Cute, but what is it?'
I am curious whether my fellow folders are better at this; have a look
at the picture on:
http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
and let me know what you think it is.
Keep on folding!

Maxim





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:38:31 +0200
Subject: SV:      Froebel?

Dear Elsje,
the University of Boras published for a few years ago a little booklet of
     Britta-Lena Json- Oman called "Origami- Konsten att vika papper"
     (Origami-the art of paperfolding). In that booklet showed Britta- Lena
     the 1st , 2nd and 3rd Serie of Froebels mode
 s. The booklet had the following ISSN number: 1401-9434. I beleive that it is
     still possible to buy that booklet throw the University. The price should
     be something like 75/80 Skr. The address of the University is:
Hogskolan i Boras
501 90 Boras
Tel: 033-16 40 00
Fax: 033-16 40 03
E-mail: Info@hb.se
Internet: http://www.hb.se

Good Luck

Dino

----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
Frn: elsje van der ploeg, elst nl <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Till: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Skickat: den 2 juni 1999 10:37
mne: Froebel?

> Hello
> I am new to the list
> And I would very much like to know
> If there are any diagrams of Friedrich Froebels
> Paperfolding.
>
> Elsje van der Ploeg
> Evdploeg@betuwe.net





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:33:37 +0200
Subject: SV:      Experiment in recognition

It looks like a human being.

Regards

Dino

----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
Frn: Maxim Candries <Maxim.Candries@NCL.AC.UK>
Till: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Skickat: den 2 juni 1999 16:39
mne: Experiment in recognition

> Hello everybody,
>
> Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
> nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
> said: 'Cute, but what is it?'
> I am curious whether my fellow folders are better at this; have a look
> at the picture on:
> http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
> and let me know what you think it is.
> Keep on folding!
>
> Maxim





From: Terry Buse <tbuse@VSTA.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:50:05 -0700
Subject: Re: what is it?

Yep,
Definitely a chicken

It was Peter Gabriel's video Sledgehammer.....one of my faves





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:18:24 -0400
Subject: To Marc Kirschenbaum

boy, i hope i didn't butcher your name.

at any rate, i was interested in your helicopter model.  is it realistic,
or a helicopter in the glider sense?  i am also unfamiliar with the
sources in which the diagrams are printed (both seem to be "one-time"
print collections), so any hints on how to get said diagrams (seeing as
how you made up the model? :)

also, just in general, any hints on where to find realistic helicopter
models (must be very difficult, since blades waste so much paper)?

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:53:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

I took the "origami rorschach" and it reminded me of a spaceman/
spacewoman in those 1950's and 1960's science fiction movies.

Dorothy





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:38:27 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Froebel?

Elsje van der Ploeg asks if there are any diagrams of Friedrich Froebel's
folds.

Welcome to Origami-L, Elsje. I hope you will enjoy yourself on this List..
But don't be put off by the sheer bulk of the contirbutions. There are many
very interesting discussions that go on, but admittedly amidst quite a lot of
dross. But, then, one person's dross is another person's gold!

The brief answer to your question is that there is no modern collection of
Froebel's folds (or rather, of Froebelian folding, because much folding that
goes under his name was developed by his successors after his death in 1852.)

Froebelian folding is divided into three ctagories, which have had different
names at different times and in differing contexts. But the following are
common names for the different catagories of Froebelian folding.

!.  FOLDS OF TRUTH.  The Folds of Truth are the elementary geometrical
folding as further deveveloped by T. Sundara Row in his "Geometrical
Exercises in Paper Folding". They were were intended to help children to
discover fro themselves the elementary principles of Euclidean geometry.

2.  FOLDS OF LIFE.  Ther were none other than the traditional folds known
throughout Europe and which continue to be known as traditional folds today.
The purpose of them, for the Froebelians, was to introduce children to
paperfolding before they went on to the more serious Folds of Truth and Folds
of Beauty. They come closest to what we know as papefolding today. However,
the Froebelian movement does not, in general, seem to have taken the Folds of
Life very seriously. There was merely a repetition of previously known folds,
with little, if any, exploration of new designs. Certainly there was little
idea of creative folding such as we have it today and which is the mainspring
of the modern origami movement.

3.  FOLDS OF BEAUTY.  The Folds of Beauty make up the greater part of
Froebelian folding. They were intended to inculcate in the children a sense
of creatitivity and of artistic beauty. The Folds of Beauty were based on
what we now call "blintzing". Everyone experiments with symmetric folding
patterns starting from the "Blintz" and an infinite number of variations is
possible. Children were encouraged to devise new variants and to collect thm
in albums or in square boxes. Many collections dating from the 19th and early
20th Centuries exist in museums and collections all over the world, including
Japan. The Japanese also practised these patterns, but it is not clear
whether it was a native tradition or whether it was intoduced with the
Froebelian Kindrgarten into Japan.

Not all of the Folds of Beaty were based on squares: hexagons and octagons
were also used and there were more advanced developments. However, the Folds
of Beauty  very quicklydeteriorated and their use became sterile.
Uninstructed teachers, themselves, did not understand their creative purpose
and often knew little of folding theselves. So instead of stimulationg
creativity, the Folds of Beauty became mere repetative exercises in copying
what had gone before, the very antithesis of their original purpose. Because
of this, paperfolding in schools acquired a bad reputation and was eventually
eliminated from school curricula in favour of other art forms which offered
"free expression".

The tragedy of Froebelian paperfolding is that the creativity which ws
encouraged in the Folds of Beauty was not applied to the Folds of Life and
the conclusion must be that the Froebelians had only a very imperftect
appreciation of paperfolding and its possibilities.

There were many books written about Froebelian paperfolding in every European
language and in Japanese, too. A bibliography would prove to be very long. I
have obtained photocopies of at least parts of some of them, but I have not
yet compiled a list. A few of them are included in Gershon Legman's
"Bibliography of Paperfolding" (1952).

As far as the "Folds of Life" are concerned, many books contain the
traditional models known in Europe although not all traditional models, by
any means, were known to the Froebelians. Some are contained in Johanna
Huber's "Lustiges Papierfaltbuchlein", which has appeared in many editions,
originally in German. A recent edition is: Johanna Huber and Christel
Claudiius: "Easy and Fun Paper Folding", published in English by Sterling
Publishing Co., Inc., New York in 1990. It may still be in print.

The following is a short list of books containing paperfolding in the
Froebelian tradition:

B. von Marenholk-Bulow.  Handbuch der Frobelischen Erziehuglehre.  (1887).

Marie Muller-Wunderlich:  Die Frobelischen Beschaftigungen. (2Heft: Der
Falten).

August Kohler: Die Praxis des Kindergartens (1873).

Maria Kraus Boelte and John Kraus: The Kindergarten Guide (Undated: before
1916).

H. Goldammer: The Kindergarten (3rd edition: 1874).

W.D.Wiggin and N. A. Smith: Froebel's Occupations. (Date unknown.)

Edward Wiebe: Paradise of Childhood (1896).

Elise van Calcar: De kleine papierwerkers". (1863)

(Elsje van der Ploeg is, I know, familiar with this very early and important
book, which is written in Dutch. She mentions it in her own
book:"Papiervouwen" 1990, which I urge her to have translated into English.)

And last, but not least:

Eleanore heerwart: Course of Paper-Folding (1895).

This last is the most informative book on Froebelian paperfolding, written by
a German lady who worked for many years in England. It begins with a long
discussion of Froebelian paper folding in all its various aspects, followed
by many diagrams of particular folds of life and folds of beauty. The
illustrations are clear enough, but  presented as diagrams on squared paper
and they are not particularly attractive.

All of these books hve been out-of-print for many years and are probably
unobtainable second-hand. They have to be searched for in libraries and
educational institutes.

As for traditional Western paperfolding, David Petty, the Secretary of the
British Origami Society is compiling a list, which can be found on his own
Web site. There is an astonishing number of traditional folds, although by no
means all of them are what could be descreibed as "Froebelian". There are
sketches of the finished folds, but no diagrams, although the books in which
the models have been reproduced are cited and could, if necessary, be
consulted.

One final note: Many traditional folds are known in both the West and in
Japan. A few traditional folds are known in the West, but not in Japan. many
more traditional folds are known in Japan, but not in the West. The
traditional folds of Japan and the West make an interesting comparison. We
may wonder how many of the folds that Froebel himself knew actually
originated in Japan or elsewhere in the East.

I hope that this answers most of Elsje's questions. I shall be writing to her
privately as soon as I have the time. I am just back form two weeks' holiday
on the Algarve in Portugal and have a large backlog of correspondence. My
apologies to all my private correspondents who are waiting for replies from
me for writing this positng, but I thought that if I didn't do it immediately
it would not get done at all. I promise to start on my backlog tomorrow.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:46:36 -0700
Subject: Old Origami

I have a question?  What is the oldest origami model that has been
folded?

My Grandmother recently died and my inheritance included a collection of
Swedish Stars that were folded by my Great-Grandmother.  These have always
been cherished decorations on our Christmas tree and my inspiration that
led me into origami.

I am suspecting that these may be the oldest, but someone out there may
know of something older.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:56:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Froebel Fold

> I think there is at least one example of a model by Froebel in the
> newly re-released Origami Omnibus (Kasahara & Takahama)--a
> three-dimensional house with a chimney.





From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:25:46 -0700
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

It looks better than anything I've created.  If anyone asks, just say the
amazing thing about this model is it is several things at once!  It is a
new form of art.  :)  Just kidding!  I'll go with sumo wrestler if you try
to fold some eyes on the face, else headless chicken for sure!

David

"I will not condone a course of action that will lead us to war."





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:31:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

> Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
> nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
> said: 'Cute, but what is it?'
> I am curious whether my fellow folders are better at this; have a look
> at the picture on:
> http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
> and let me know what you think it is.

A toad, perhaps (viewed from above or below)? When do we get the answer? All
the best-c





From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:51:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

> http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
> and let me know what you think it is.

> Maxim

is it a summo wrestler?
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From: Jeff DeHerdt <jadeherd@IUPUI.EDU>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:08:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

        Instead of dancing the model to "Slegehammer" by Peter
Gabriel, maybe you should fold a paper knife and do your best Julia Childs
imitation while attempting to dissect the bird.(Don't forget to drink
sherry or a good white wine while attempting this.)

                                Jeffrey DeHerdt





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:26:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami sequence (blintz---pajarita)

Joseph,
At 14.31 31/5/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Very nice. You have a few models in there that I've not noticed before (the
>vase in step 13, the hungry fish in step 14, and the sailboat in step 21).

You may also not have noticed that the pajarita could flap its "wings"
(step 17). I've discovered this by chance, but haven't seen it mentioned
elsewhere...

>There are also some that you have missed:

Not missed.... I just had no more space allowed, so have disregarded the
Yakkosan variants ! There are possibly other steps which could be
interpreted as distinct objects, and the whole sequence is ideal to
entertain childrens with a properly designed story.

Roberto





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:39:28 +0200
Subject: Re: Plain Human Figure model?

Jessica,
At 11.09 31/5/1999 EDT, you wrote:

>anybody got a plan for a plain "neutered" body?

There are lots of "angel" models around. Unfortunately they are all
dressed, and I can't say whether they are "neutered" or not. I suppose they
should....
Any plan for a naked angel model ? :-)

Roberto





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:50:31 +0200
Subject: Re: Winged Devil/

MaryAnn,
At 08.17 1/6/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>If you spell it out (as in *g - l - u - e*  or *c - u - t* ) sometimes the
"Origami Police" (or *c - o - p - y* in this case, kopyright extremists)
sometimes miss it.  I've even heard those words whispered, althought I'm
not sure how to whisper via e-mail!

This way, maybe ?
                                   __
                                  /__|    _
                                  \_|||_|(/_
                                   _/   _|_
                                  / \_|_||_
                                  \_(_)|_)\/
                                       |  /

Or this one ?

                         .::::    .::
                       .:    .::  .::
                      .::         .:: .::  .::    .::
                      .::         .:: .::  .::  .:   .::
                      .::   .:::: .:: .::  .:: .::::: .::
                       .::    .:  .:: .::  .:: .:
                        .:::::   .:::   .::.::   .::::
                              .::               .::
                           .::   .::            .::
                          .::        .::  .:: .:.: .:
                          .::        .::  .::   .::
                          .::        .::  .::   .::
                           .::   .:: .::  .::   .::
                         .:: .::::     .::.::    .::
                      .::   .::
                     .::          .::     .: .:: .::   .::
                     .::        .::  .::  .:  .:: .:: .::
                     .::       .::    .:: .:   .::  .:::
                      .::   .:: .::  .::  .:: .::    .::
                        .::::     .::     .::       .::
                                          .::     .::

Roberto





From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:53:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

It is amazing how others can affect your perception.
If that is a chicken it must be on one of those oven stands they sell on
tv.
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From: "Kathryn F. Wagner" <kfwagner@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:16:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Convention numbers

Dear Allen -

Just to clear up the hand delivery vs postmark question you bring up, the
envelope is marked with the date it is delivered as it would have been by
the post office had I just dropped it in the mailbox. There is no advantage.
I just left it in the office on the day I volunteer there.

Also, if memory serves, I think the Annual Meeting is usually on Saturday
after the last class and before the dinner.

Kathrn

At 08:20 PM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
>> Are we to get the rather unequivocal message that low-registration
>> numbers are offered to the voluteers as rewards for their efforts?
>
>No, Bernie, office volunteers don't get any special low-registration
>numbers.  I can see how you could get that from Kathryn's e-mail, but
>I think she was just mentioning her efforts and the fact that her numbers
>were just as average when she hand delivered her forms. (I wonder what
>date they used for her, since her letter was not post marked?)
>
>Allen Parry
>parry@eskimo.com





From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:53:38 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Convention numbers

In a message dated 6/1/99 11:08:36 PM, you wrote:

<<to actually admit that
that's the sort of thing that goes on (as a less cutesy reply to
Kathryn's question), and perhaps if you offered that "benny" more
publicly, you'd get more volunteers!>>

T'aint so, McGee! My husband and I volunteer every year and also teach
classes, and our numbers are just as random as can be, with Saturday's being
relatively low(we somehow managed, with our combined 130-hour work week to
get our forms in the first week), and Sunday's being relatively high.

This "thing" is getting petty and juvenile beyond belief. Get a grip, get a
life, get control.

Merida & Mike





From: Leeh McArthur <Lamms@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:59:26 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

I'm with the chicken crowd. Are you going to let us know soon?

Leeh in Seattle
lamms@aol.com





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:23:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Convention numbers

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Kathryn F. Wagner wrote:

> Also, if memory serves, I think the Annual Meeting is usually on Saturday
> after the last class and before the dinner.

Thank you, you are correct.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: "Dolphin G." <dolphing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:50:42 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

Well, here are two radical ideas as to what that model is: 1) Mr. Potato
Head  2) Armed and legged bird base.
Don't be upset if we can't guess what it is.  Sometimes you just can't tell,
because the real object is a different color, three dimensional, etc.
Usually, when you tell the person what it is, he/she will nod and say "hey,
that looks great!"  And whatever it is, it DOES look cute.

>Hello everybody,
>
>Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
>nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
>said: 'Cute, but what is it?'
>I am curious whether my fellow folders are better at this; have a look
>at the picture on:
>http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
>and let me know what you think it is.
>Keep on folding!
>
>Maxim

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:56:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

It could be a three dimensional projection of some wonderful rose in
hyperspace!

David

"Viceroy, get that stunted piece of slime out of my sight!"

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Dolphin G. wrote:

> Well, here are two radical ideas as to what that model is: 1) Mr. Potato
> Head  2) Armed and legged bird base.
> Don't be upset if we can't guess what it is.  Sometimes you just can't tell,
> because the real object is a different color, three dimensional, etc.
> Usually, when you tell the person what it is, he/she will nod and say "hey,
> that looks great!"  And whatever it is, it DOES look cute.
>
>
>
>
> >Hello everybody,
> >
> >Just a little test. I've created a model which I thought was really
> >nice. However, when I showed it to my friends (who don't fold) they
> >said: 'Cute, but what is it?'
> >I am curious whether my fellow folders are better at this; have a look
> >at the picture on:
> >http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/maxim.candries/origami.html
> >and let me know what you think it is.
> >Keep on folding!
> >
> >Maxim
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
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From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:06:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Convention Numbering

Allen Parry wrote:

> If you want top priority in classes, sign up to be a teacher.  If you
> teach two hours worth of classes, you get your pick of classes.  You sign
> up for which classes you want the day before everyone else and usually get
> what ever you want.

A small point of clarification (I have done been doing this since this system
started, so I have some experience): If you do this, you get to enter a
"priority drawing" for classes. Those spaces are limited, so if it's a popular
class that lots of teachers want, you may not get in. I have missed out
several times, but I've also gotten into a lot of great classes, so on balance
I think I'm ahead. But I'll be surprised if I get into Fuse's class this year.
. .

Another downside is that there are only five hour-blocks on each day (two in
the morning and three in the afternoon). If you're teaching two of them,
this can severely limit the number of classes you're able to sign up for,
especially if you like intermediate or complex models (these classes tend
to be two or three contiguous blocks). I think I've missed more classes due to
scheduling conflicts than I have through bad luck in the ticketing.

Also, (definitely IMHO), nobody benefits from classes slapped together by
teachers who are just hoping to jump the ticketing line. Teach because you
think you have something to offer the people taking your class. If you're
really
set on learning that favorite model, don't worry about getting into the class
-- just get plenty of sleep before the convention, because you can learn any
model you want in the "after hours" sessions, as long as you can stay awake!g

Mike "It's worked for me!" Naughton





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:28:22 +0200
Subject: if you have problems seeing the Spin Panoramic view of the Demon....

I got this email:

> I wasn't able to view the diavolo.mov via your web page. If I typed the
>full URL for the .mov file, it worked just fine, but inside your page, no
go.
>(I have quicktime, and have it setup as a plug-in. I'm using Netscape
>Navigator 4.03 under Windows NT with Service Pack 4, but I don't know enough
>HTML to see if it is my browser or your page which is causing my problem. I
>had the same problem on my iMac at home, also running Netscape Navigator).

you can do as he says and try to see it here:

http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46551/movies/diavolo.mov

Cheers,

                Ariel





From: Michael and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:07:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Is the OUSA Convention Numbering System Rigged?

Wendi,

I'm in NJ about 45 minutes out of NY, my number for Saturday is 153.

Just as an observation, there seem to be many people who attend the
conventions and don't bother to go to classes - they learn all the "good
stuff" informally and after hours.  And if there is a class you don't get
into, just ask around for someone who knows the model or did get into the
class.

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj
----- Original Message -----
From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 8:21 PM
Subject: Is the OUSA Convention Numbering System Rigged?

> I just received my numbers for the OUSA convention.  I was wondering if
all
> the low numbers (< then 125) for Saturday went to those around New York
> City?  (It looks like they are stacking the deck for the fireworks on
> Saturday at the busness meeting!) The reason for this question is that
there
> are about 170 numbers between what I have for Saturday and Sunday.  In the
> past, it has seemed to me that mostly New York area people have the low
> numbers for Saturday's classes.  Can somebody explain how the numbering
> assignment system worked this year?  Knowing a lot of people did not
receive
> their registration packet until late, was there anything different done
this
> year?
>
> WC
>
>
>
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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:40:08 -0700
Subject: Re: To Marc Kirschenbaum

>At 03:18 PM 6/2/99 -0400, Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU> wrote:
>>boy, i hope i didn't butcher your name.
>
>Hey, you got it right. I have been known to miss a letter or two myself, so
>I can not be too hard on people.
>
>>
>>at any rate, i was interested in your helicopter model.  is it realistic,
>>or a helicopter in the glider sense?  i am also unfamiliar with the
>>sources in which the diagrams are printed (both seem to be "one-time"
>>print collections), so any hints on how to get said diagrams (seeing as
>>how you made up the model? :)
>
>
>I have two helicopter models, one in the 1988 Annual Collection and the
>other in the 1987 Annual Collection (which also happens to have my
>biplane). I believe the latter book is still in print (you can check
>www.origami-usa.org for availability).
>
>Both models are the same in basic structure. The sides of a square are
>pleated inwards to and the pleats are stretched at one end to create
>points. That same end is then waterbombed. The top two flaps of the
>waterbomb contain the set of streched points, for a total of four
>rotors.the side pleats are sretched outwards to create landing gear, and
>the tail is truncated to complete.
>>
>>also, just in general, any hints on where to find realistic helicopter
>>models (must be very difficult, since blades waste so much paper)?
>
>Oddly, it does not seem to be a popular subject, white I have seen loads of
>elaborate airplane designs. From a design perspective, it is a lot more
>refreshing to make than your run of the mill four legged mammal.
>
>Speaking of Annual Collections, you can order the new one whether or not
>you plan to attend the OrigamiUSA Convention. It has 307 pages of diagrams
>of models from all around the world and of all levels. This years book
>found us growing through some changes (thank you Rob Hudson for your
>database and new managing editor Andrew Borloz for your more modern ideas),
>and the results are the cleanest looking yet. Of course, next year promises
>to be better, but that should not stop you from getting the current edition.
>
>Marc

How much does it cost?  And while I'm at it, does anyone know how to get a
copy of Spirals by Tomoko Fuse?  I've been going to the local booksellers
around here (one of them Borders) and they just scratch their head and say
it's not in there database.

David





From: John Chambers <jchamber@CRL.COM>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:05:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Experiment in recognition

It looks like the Hunchback of Notre Dame to me.

Maxim Candries wrote:
>
snip
> and let me know what you think it is.
> Keep on folding!
>
> Maxim
