




From: Emmajg <emmajg@CUSTARD.ORG>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:42:04 +0100
Subject: Re: copyright of diagrams

I have written to the relevant publishers and I am awaiting conformation
I don't see a problem in it but if they do then they will be removed.
I'm just trying to help other people have fun with paper
happy folding
emmajg*
-----Original Message-----
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: 14 May 1999 11:49
Subject: Re: Instructions for Star made from strip

>Just curious...have you sought and received permission from the authors of
all
>these diagrams from published copyrighted books to put them on your
web-site?
>I thought it to be against copyright and ethical law to just blatantly
>photocopy something  onto mass media communication.
>Just curious,
>Kimberly Crane
>http://www.kimscrane.com
>
>Emmajg wrote:
>
>> I have that on my web page
>> http://chocolate.custard.org/origami
>> happy folding
>> Emmajg*
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Meristein@AOL.COM <Meristein@AOL.COM>
>> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>> Date: 14 May 1999 02:59
>> Subject: Re: Instructions for Star made from strip
>>
>> >Instructions for this puffy star are in Gay Merrill Gross's book, The
Art
>> of
>> >Origami, ISBN0-7924-5841-9. She calls it the Chinese Lucky Star, and
says
>> it
>> >is a traditional design.
>> >
>> >Have fun folding lots of them!
>> >
>> >
>> >Merida





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:43:45 -0700
Subject: origami mandala, or whatever...

Has anyone ever seen an origami attempt at Escher-like deformed
tesselations? Such as his piece 'Metamorhposis', for example. As for the
discussion a short time ago about origami as art, if one is willing to count
the efects of the process upon the artist as an intrinsic part of the work,
then origami qualifies. Art needn't be all highfalootin' as to solely exist
as commentary upon the human condition. Art can be funky, fun, and frivolous
as well. Origami introduces the folder to the feel of symmetry, chaos, and
balance of form. While it is true that it is a young form in terms of when
and how the canon of 'requisite models to know' has burgeoned of late,
youthful artforms often exhibit a greater tendancy to defy tradition, as
what traditions do exist are often merely defining the craft. Once artistic
potential is recognized, artists scramble to define paradigms of expression,
and it's a wild and wooly race until the art settles into a comfortable
niche, waiting for an epiphany of redefinition. I see origami in its first
defining stages toward an accepted art form, but not quite there yet, and
that makes it an exciting time to be a folder. While that might be
"off-topic" from mere exchanging of models and information, I think it is
essential for people to discuss their motivations, etc. for us all to get a
grip on the shape that we are all giving to origami. From the JPL geniuses
to the dilletantes like myself who play with food and metal folding, I find
almost all input on this list edifying because I choose to make it so.





From: Jeffrey Yen <orangex3@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:05:21 -0700
Subject: Re: hm...

Oh really?
Everytime I tried to cut, the paper changes shape.  Tell me what I am
doing wrong.  It's a toughy.

--- Binzi <binzi@MUENSTER.DE> wrote:
> >Hey,
> >does anyone know how to fold a square from an 8x8
> inch paper?
>
> >Just kidding.
>
> ....yes, but it needs cutting... :o)
>
> Evi
>

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From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:58:40 -0400
Subject: Re: hello origami people!!!

At 11:02 AM 99-05-13 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello Asghar,
>>
>>that is funny, we've got the same special liking for Origami and Star -
>>Trek.
>>I have been searching web pages for models and diagrams, but only found
>>xwing fighters and klingon ships yet.
>>Did you, or will you publish your models/diagrams somewhere in books or on
>>web sites?
>>You would make a lot of trekkies happy!
>>
>>cu
>>Evi
>
>I would really like to see those diagrams, or photos of the finished works
>as well.  Any more folders who are also fans?
>
>Anna
>

Oh, yes--lots of us!  and there are quite a few diagrams kicking around.
I've had a lot of help from this list, actually.

                                CAthy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:23:04 -0600
Subject: Re: The Human Condition

Doug Philips wrote:

> Seems a fair assessment. I might argue that in some of the more technically
> advanced models, there is an emotion of "WOW!" invoked in the observer, esp.
> when the model is known to be from one uncut sheet. I might get the same
> reaction from a 10'x10' piece of art done with 300 dots per inch, pointillism
> (done by hand, not computer synthesis).

Of course there is an emotional response to all good origami,  Wow, joy,
a sense of beauty.  But I was referring more to some emotion
specifically intended by the designer, such as pain, sorrow, anger.

I might also argue that Joisel's
> (cartoonish) rat does evoke humor.
>

Ok, I skipped humor, because that one has been done a lot.  Especially
by Jeremy Shaffer.

> +1) Even though origami is thousands of years old, as a living art form
> +it is really in it's infancy.  Most new pieces have been created in just
> +the last 30 years.
>
> Sorry, Kim, couldn't let that one by. Most "new" pieces have been created
> recently (30 years, 10 minutes, pick your "after this long its old" time
> scale).

all right smart ass, I should have left out the word "new".

> +you see so many challenges like flying insects or smoke.  We have to
> +discover what we can do, before we can use it to say something.
>
> Oh? Are you implying (or trying to) that the tools now available are not
> sufficient? I'd say Josiel's masks/faces are, and probably several pieces of
> Yoshizawa's work on the same subject, though I can't recall the citation for
> an exact piece. Despite some members of B.O.S. who want to explore beyound
> the 90/45/22.5 degree folds, what Yoshizawa does with a bird base amazes me.
>

No, I am saying we DO have the tools.  And it is just because of such
challenges we have them.  I would just like to see these tools used in
new directions.

> Actually, I think it is very much the "one piece of paper" that is limiting in
> this regard. Elias' "Last Waltz" (when well folded) doesn't elicit an
> emtional response from you?

Yes it does.  It is a beautiful model of two people dancing.  But what
do we know about these people?  Have they just met?  Are they re-uniting
after many years.  Or, is this the end of a relationship, and this is
the last waltz before they are no more.  Obviously, we can all put our
own interpretations.  But is it possible for the artist to tell us more?

>
> Contrary to you, I think the "bun-shi" method, Lang's TreeMaker,
> and probably other methods give us the technical framework for realistic
> origami.

Oh pooh on, "realistic origami."  I've seen enough "realistic origami."
After seeing a six legged Samurai helmet beetle in mid flight, I'm
convinced anything is possible.  But maybe we have explored nature
enough, lets explore the human soul!

> At the moment (and only for the moment!) I'll pick Elias' BullFighter and
> Bull.  I may not agree with the "politics" of bull fighting, but at least the
> model I say photographed in an issue of ORU (for me) transcended origami as
> technique.

There is a model that made a point with me, but I'm not sure it was
intended.  It's called "Apartheid",  it's a black bird and a white bird,
sitting next to each other.  It was probably so named because it looked
similar to the symbol of "Apartheid".  But for me it was a strong
condemnation of the political philosophy.  Why?  Because both birds were
created from the same piece of paper.

Actually I can think of a model that makes a specific point.  But I
can't a talk about it on this list, it would upset people.  So pop on
over to Origami unleashed to see what I'm talking about.

I may have spoken to soon when I said I didn't know what I wanted to
say.  I will be entering a model in the Unleashed dollar bill contest,
that makes a definite statement.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:22:14 +0200
Subject: Re: Jerry Harris's "Tyrannosaurus"

Hi Evi,
At 10.56 14/5/1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Here is my mail for Joseph Wu. Hope to meet your sense of humor!

I don't know if your letter to Joseph (and the others to Kim, and to Marc)
were indeed intended to be read by the whole list, or just sent to it by
mistake, but please be careful..... the attached 127 k image does meet "my"
sense of humor: I'm not quite sure that hundreds of other list members do
appreciate wasting time & disk to download it !

:-)

Friendly,

Roberto





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:28:30 -0700 (
Subject: Origami on www.ebay.com

I did a search on origami on www.ebay.com today.  There were 50 items,
mostly current books and jewelry.  Earlier today there was a 1987 edition of
OFTC.

I'm curious about  Item #101778798 which has been bid up to US$51.95 by 31
bidders.  The cover was scanned in upside down.  The book contains 288 pages
and doesn't look particularly old.  Can anyone read the cover and identify
the book?  Text is in Japanese.  Seller is in Christchurch, NZ.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: "Deborah P. Van Treuren" <deborahv@N-JCENTER.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:04:44 -0400
Subject: Re: The Human Condition

Kim Best wrote:
>
> Doug Philips wrote:
>
> > Seems a fair assessment. I might argue that in some of the more technically
> > advanced models, there is an emotion of "WOW!" invoked in the observer, esp.
> > when the model is known to be from one uncut sheet. I might get the same
> > reaction from a 10'x10' piece of art done with 300 dots per inch,
     pointillism
> > (done by hand, not computer synthesis).
>
> Of course there is an emotional response to all good origami,  Wow, joy,
> a sense of beauty.  But I was referring more to some emotion
> specifically intended by the designer, such as pain, sorrow, anger.
>
> I might also argue that Joisel's
> > (cartoonish) rat does evoke humor.
> >
>
> Ok, I skipped humor, because that one has been done a lot.  Especially
> by Jeremy Shaffer.
>
> > +1) Even though origami is thousands of years old, as a living art form
> > +it is really in it's infancy.  Most new pieces have been created in just
> > +the last 30 years.
> >
> > Sorry, Kim, couldn't let that one by. Most "new" pieces have been created
> > recently (30 years, 10 minutes, pick your "after this long its old" time
> > scale).
>
> all right smart ass, I should have left out the word "new".
>
> > +you see so many challenges like flying insects or smoke.  We have to
> > +discover what we can do, before we can use it to say something.
> >
> > Oh? Are you implying (or trying to) that the tools now available are not
> > sufficient? I'd say Josiel's masks/faces are, and probably several pieces of
> > Yoshizawa's work on the same subject, though I can't recall the citation for
> > an exact piece. Despite some members of B.O.S. who want to explore beyound
> > the 90/45/22.5 degree folds, what Yoshizawa does with a bird base amazes me.
> >
>
> No, I am saying we DO have the tools.  And it is just because of such
> challenges we have them.  I would just like to see these tools used in
> new directions.
>
> > Actually, I think it is very much the "one piece of paper" that is limiting
     in
> > this regard. Elias' "Last Waltz" (when well folded) doesn't elicit an
> > emtional response from you?
>
> Yes it does.  It is a beautiful model of two people dancing.  But what
> do we know about these people?  Have they just met?  Are they re-uniting
> after many years.  Or, is this the end of a relationship, and this is
> the last waltz before they are no more.  Obviously, we can all put our
> own interpretations.  But is it possible for the artist to tell us more?
>
> >
> > Contrary to you, I think the "bun-shi" method, Lang's TreeMaker,
> > and probably other methods give us the technical framework for realistic
> > origami.
>
> Oh pooh on, "realistic origami."  I've seen enough "realistic origami."
> After seeing a six legged Samurai helmet beetle in mid flight, I'm
> convinced anything is possible.  But maybe we have explored nature
> enough, lets explore the human soul!
>
> > At the moment (and only for the moment!) I'll pick Elias' BullFighter and
> > Bull.  I may not agree with the "politics" of bull fighting, but at least
     the
> > model I say photographed in an issue of ORU (for me) transcended origami as
> > technique.
>
> There is a model that made a point with me, but I'm not sure it was
> intended.  It's called "Apartheid",  it's a black bird and a white bird,
> sitting next to each other.  It was probably so named because it looked
> similar to the symbol of "Apartheid".  But for me it was a strong
> condemnation of the political philosophy.  Why?  Because both birds were
> created from the same piece of paper.
>
> Actually I can think of a model that makes a specific point.  But I
> can't a talk about it on this list, it would upset people.  So pop on
> over to Origami unleashed to see what I'm talking about.
>
> I may have spoken to soon when I said I didn't know what I wanted to
> say.  I will be entering a model in the Unleashed dollar bill contest,
> that makes a definite statement.
>
> --
> Kim Best                            *******************************
>                                     *          Origamist:         *
> Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
> 420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
> Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************
What evah happened to the idea of jus' havin' fun with origami? Can't we
just do it and have a good a time, learnin' and doin'? Life is too short
to waste. Cheers, DeborahAnne





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:47:37 -0400 (
Subject: Re: [NO] Content-Free Messages

okay, I'm sorry, just trying to impress the world with my grasp of the
question
                                                                        RPlsmn





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:38:34 -0400
Subject: Re: The Human Condition

Kim Best wrote:
+Of course there is an emotional response to all good origami,  Wow, joy,
+a sense of beauty.  But I was referring more to some emotion
+specifically intended by the designer, such as pain, sorrow, anger.

Is it just that there is an overbalance of "joy" or is there another reason
for the focus on the "Dark side"?

+I might also argue that Joisel's
+> (cartoonish) rat does evoke humor.
+Ok, I skipped humor, because that one has been done a lot.  Especially
+by Jeremy Shaffer.

Done a lot because its "easier" or just more acceptable?

+No, I am saying we DO have the tools.  And it is just because of such
+challenges we have them.  I would just like to see these tools used in
+new directions.

I can agree with that. ;-)

+Yes it does.  It is a beautiful model of two people dancing.  But what
+do we know about these people?  Have they just met?  Are they re-uniting
+after many years.  Or, is this the end of a relationship, and this is
+the last waltz before they are no more.  Obviously, we can all put our
+own interpretations.  But is it possible for the artist to tell us more?

Again, even in this case, it is the result of a reductionism.  Or,
would you claim, that the medium of origami is not expressive enough
(or has yet to be made that expressive) to convey those shadings in a
way that a painting (or sculpture) of just those two waltzers could?

+convinced anything is possible.  But maybe we have explored nature
+enough, lets explore the human soul!

I can agree with that too.

+Actually I can think of a model that makes a specific point.  But I
+can't a talk about it on this list, it would upset people.  So pop on
+over to Origami unleashed to see what I'm talking about.

[Enter scarcasm mode.]
Ooooo, oh yes, none of that racy stuff here!  We dare not talk about
that aspect of human nature in polite company.  Let me guess, you're
referring Marc's wonderful model from last year's convention.
[End scarcasm mode.]

Actually, I think if the work of the current Masters (Yoshizawa, Brill,
LaFosse, etc.) were widely known/viewed, you might find more
expressiveness that is seems is commonly out there.

In the end, I think I am more in agreement with you than not.

-D'gou





From: Bob Nienhuis <nienhuis@WGN.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:48:46 -0700
Subject: Re: The Human Condition

>>  I'd say Josiel's masks/faces are, and probably several pieces of
>> Yoshizawa's work on the same subject, though I can't recall the citation for
>> an exact piece.

Yoshizawa's "Self Portrait" springs to mind. Technically awesome and gives
a sense
of the man's personality as well.

Bob
nienhuis@wgn.net





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:11:53 +0100
Subject: Re: Star Trekzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM> sez

>Do you have an Elmer Fudd fold? I'd like to see Woody Woodpecker myself.

Or even Woadwunner?

Nick Wobinson





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:16:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami on www.ebay.com

I too saw that book and wondered....an undiscovered origami book? WOW!  I do
know there are many origami books in Japanese with easy models that we do not
ever see here in the USA because they just would not sell.  Maybe this is one of
them.....
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com

Marcia Mau wrote:

> I did a search on origami on www.ebay.com today.  There were 50 items,
> mostly current books and jewelry.  Earlier today there was a 1987 edition of
> OFTC.
>
> I'm curious about  Item #101778798 which has been bid up to US$51.95 by 31
> bidders.  The cover was scanned in upside down.  The book contains 288 pages
> and doesn't look particularly old.  Can anyone read the cover and identify
> the book?  Text is in Japanese.  Seller is in Christchurch, NZ.
>
> Marcia Mau
> Vienna, VA USA
>
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From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:15:53 -0400
Subject: Re: The Human Condition

Hi!

At 08:59 AM 5/14/99 EDT, you wrote:
>How about geneticly researched miniature folding variations on a full sized
>DNA Double Helix model?
>                                                           -RPlsmn-

Hm well... you could go on the modular approach and fold it atom-by-atom.
Jeremy Shafer has a good realistic C-atom, so the foundation is there!

Good luck... ;^D

Peter Budai





From: Binzi <binzi@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:26:17 +0200
Subject: Re: hm...

>Everytime I tried to cut, the paper changes shape.  Tell me what I am
>doing wrong.  It's a toughy.

Hi Jeffrey,

Cut straight on, not in curve!
And now stop this nonsens, or they will ban us from the list. :o)

CU
Evi





From: Binzi <binzi@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:32:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Jerry Harris's "Tyrannosaurus"

Hi Roberto,

sorry, if some folders think my little joke was a waste of time. It was
meant for all of you. Just fun. I didn't know the rules. I am a bluddy
beginner.

I am sorry!!!!! Stop lynching me! I won't do it again!

This mail is for everybody, since I am too lazy to apologize to every single
person on the list.

Happy folding, anyway

Evi





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:30:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami on www.ebay.com

At 08:16 99/05/15 -0400, you wrote:
>I too saw that book and wondered....an undiscovered origami book? WOW!  I do
>know there are many origami books in Japanese with easy models that we do not
>ever see here in the USA because they just would not sell.  Maybe this is
>one of
>them.....

There are so many collection books in Japan. The image of the book at eBay
is not upside down, but is actually a vertical mirror image. The scan is not
clear enough to make out the author's name. It looks to be a rather
straightforward collection of models ranging from simple to intermediate
difficulty. Interesting, but certainly not worth the $71.95 of the current bid.
At least, it isn't worth it to me. 8)
----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:02:24 -0500
Subject: this that and the other thing

I have not personally tried what you have suggested.
not that I could not make the attempt.
perhaps I will some time.
any creative form is only limited by the mind of the creator.

> > Marcus Hanson's Digital Gallery
> > http://members.tripod.com/~MarcH_3/index.html
>
> Ever though of expressing any of this stuff in origami?  How about this
> for an origami challenge: something that comments on the Human
> Condition.  Anything out there?

as for non origami subjects.
this list is not just about origami.
but also the people who do it.
if an origamist on the list breaks subject.
there is still something to be gained.
--
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From: "Dolphin G." <dolphing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:57:29 -0700 (
Subject: "Moment of Truth" photo?

I've heard alot about Elias's bull-fighting scene, but I've never seen it.
Can someone please direct me to a picture of it?  Thanks!

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From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:27:11 +0200
Subject: Dutch Origami Convention

In April we had our Origami Convention weekend in Veldhoven (The
Netherlands).

At Saturday night we tried folding with our feet.  I had done that
before on
novelty competitions in London, Toulouse and New York.

The one thing very different from that times was: we had a girl with us
that is
born without arms or hands.  Kim van Dinther user het feet for
everything.

We started with the flapping bird.  I finshed as first flapping the bird
with
my feet long before anybody else.  But Kim did it fast also and: very
neat.

Next we tried the OUSA logo (the boat). We all managed nice.

After that Wil Haarsma said to Kim: "You are used to using your feet.
We make
it more difficult for you.  Can you fold the boat with only one foot?".

Kim started, but Sjaak Adriaanse (he is also on this list) and I
couldn't
resist the challenge.  We managed all three.  Kim was the fastest and
neatest.
I was second.  Afterwards I had some pains in my thigh muscles: I used
muscles
I didn't know I had.

Most people around enjoyed seeing Sjaak folding the first diagonal.  He
had
troubles and raised from his chair.  Turning left and right: a kind of
ballet!

To fold with one foot you need a floor that gives resistance.  Parquet
is too
slippery, carpet is good.

----

Sunday morning we met with some people in the swimming pool.

I had prepared some translucent plastic sheets of 10 x 10 cm.  We tried
and
folded under water.  The difficulty then is: you can't see the sheet,
only feel
it.

We folded the double boat and floated it.  Mine went under and I
couldn't find
it anymore! But luckily someone else touched it and returned it to me.

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:51:34 +0200
Subject: Re: origami mandala, or whatever...

Well,
 look at http://home.t-online.de/home/Torsten.Drees/
klick "RELIEFS"

Torsten





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:12:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Jerry Harris's "Tyrannosaurus"

Evi,
At 09.32 15/5/1999 +0200, you wrote:

>sorry, if some folders think my little joke was a waste of time. It was
>meant for all of you. Just fun. I didn't know the rules. I am a bluddy
>beginner.
>
>I am sorry!!!!! Stop lynching me! I won't do it again!

Nobody is lynching you for that innocent joke.... But the so-called "rules
of netiquette" state that sending attachments on a mailing list is not a
good thing, and this is common sense: all of us in this list are used to
get 20-40 messages a day, just think what would happen if EACH of these
should be allowed to attach several kbytes of pictures or other stuff......
 :-)

Don't worry, and keep it up ! Happy folding,

Roberto





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:22:04 -0400
Subject: Re: "Moment of Truth" photo?

On Sat, 15 May 1999, Dolphin G. wrote:

>I've heard alot about Elias's bull-fighting scene, but I've never seen it.
>Can someone please direct me to a picture of it?  Thanks!

I believe I have the photo you are looking for:

http://www.paperfolding.com/torero.jpg

-Eric :-P
origami@netspace.org
origami@paperfolding.com

(I just realized that this second address works as well, since I own the
domain name...pretty cool!)

/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
\   Eric Andersen                                       /
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\     and Origami                 ~  ~ _-\<'_           /
/      ema@netspace.org        ~    ~ (_)/ (_)          \
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         *** http://www.paperfolding.com ***





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:54:24 -0700
Subject: Re: The Human Condition

>Hi!
>
>At 08:59 AM 5/14/99 EDT, you wrote:
>>How about geneticly researched miniature folding variations on a full sized
>>DNA Double Helix model?
>>                                                           -RPlsmn-
>
>Hm well... you could go on the modular approach and fold it atom-by-atom.
>Jeremy Shafer has a good realistic C-atom, so the foundation is there!
>
>Good luck... ;^D
>
>
>Peter Budai

But then your model would have to account for the Heisenberg Uncertainty
Principle, which would be very difficult to accomplish.  And how would you
distinguish in your folds fermions and bosons or even strangeness, and
charmness, etc. in quarks?

David





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:05:53 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami on www.ebay.com

Joseph Wu wrote:

>>I too saw that book and wondered....an undiscovered origami book? WOW!  I do
>>know there are many origami books in Japanese with easy models that we do
not
>>ever see here in the USA because they just would not sell.  Maybe this is
>>one of them.....

>There are so many collection books in Japan. The image of the book at eBay
>is not upside down, but is actually a vertical mirror image. The scan is not
>clear enough to make out the author's name. It looks to be a rather
>straightforward collection of models ranging from simple to intermediate
>difficulty. Interesting, but certainly not worth the $71.95 of the current
bid.

I agree. Hundreds of books like this (for children) have been published in
Japan over the past 30 years, by authors like Toyoaki Kawai, Eiju Nakamura,
Mitsunobu Sonobe, Kunihiko Kasahara, Satoshi Takagi, Haruo Takahashi, Kunio
Ekiguchi, Toshio Chino and many others. I have several of them. With very
few exceptions, they are just trivial collections of traditional and simple
models, certainly not worth that price (and I'm sure the winning bid will
be higher.....).

Roberto





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:39:23 -0500 (
Subject: model request: joker

Hello, does anyone know of a joker model.  A head with cap with one of those
hats that have three tips on it.  Like what you see on many decks of cards.
Thanks.

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 06:07:22 -0400 (
Subject: Re: model request: joker

Dear Douglas,

There's a fine model of a joker by Spanish creater Gabriel Alvarez in a small
pocket - sized book from Grupo Riglos in Spain, called "El Libro de las
Mascaras de Papel
Plegado". If you haven't got this book, or know where to obtain a copy, I
will gladly xerox
you the drawings, if you supply your postal address.
Hope of help.
Cheers, Rick Beech   Ricknbeech@AOL.com





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 06:07:24 -0400 (
Subject: Re: "Moment of Truth" photo?

There's a photo of The Moment Of Truth in ORU 12 page 42.
Rick Beech.





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:45:32 -0700
Subject: [NO] copyright crisis

Copyright does pose a dilemma for origami fans.  New technologies have made
copying much easier.  People fold in many countries, which have differing
cultural attitudes towards copying, and even towards property.  With the
advent of the internet, information, including photos of finished works,
and diagram can be spread more widely than any anarchist with a copy
machine could ever have dreamed of.

I face the dilemma when someone asks me to teach them a fold.  I crave the
challenge of new folds, and find models that I yearn to accomplish -- so I
empathize completely with someone who wishes to learn something I know.  I
want, as one folder to another, to teach what I know, and share the rewards
of beautiful and challenging folds.  The inventor's claim, the diagrammer's
efforts, and the publisher's legal rights all seem more distant than the
person before me asking to learn.  Yet I know that without rewards to the
inventors, the diagrammers, and the publishers, models will become scarcer
and harder to get ahold of.

One of the most interesting discussions of this problem was in an article
by John Perry Barlow in Wired magazine.  He wrote songs for the Grateful
Dead, and argued that their open copying policy had _helped_ them become
more profitable.  He also showed that copy protected software sold less
than uncopy protected, and that the music industry had boomed when
cassettes were introduced, and people could make copies of their favorite
music.  Movies, too, became more profitable when people could copy them on
videocassettes -- even at theatres.  It seems that people make copies when
they cannot afford originals -- but, then, they buy _more_ originals than
when copying was unavailable.  Extremely interesting.  I recommend his
article to your attention.

To my admittedly unscientific sampling, it seems that origami has been
growing rapidly, very much helped by the willingness of its practitioners
to share models freely.

At the same time, I wish to support originators, diagrammers, and
publishers.  The quality of books and models and diagrams out there
deserves to earn my money.  I want to respect those who made the models,
the drawings, and the books.  And I want to obey the law.

So what do I do?

I teach.  Instead of photocopying that model that my fellow folder wanted
to learn, I plan to make sketchy diagrams of the most important information
for folding it -- enough to follow if you have made it before, probably not
enough for a novice.  I keep the book and author information with my
diagrams, and with any models I display.  I borrow books from the library,
and am thankful I live where used books are available.  I accept
photocopies of models from books I cannot obtain, in hopes of getting them
later, and only one or two from each book.

It's a moderate position -- which means it contains something to irritate
everyone.  Everyone except me -- this is the position I am comfortable
living with.

And I have compassion for both those who want copies, and those who wish no
copies were ever made of their works.  I see both sides.  Since we all are
passionate about origami, we have more in common than we differ.

I invite your replies.
Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Krystyna i Wojciech Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:19:17 +0200
Subject: COET 99 ?

There were COET 91, COET 95.
Can I expect (by induction :) COET 99 ?

Wojtek





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:01:35 +0100
Subject: Japanese book

I have seen a book (by Kasahara) with loads of nice folds of animals,
mostly fairly simple on the whole. However I can't get my own copy! I
have the ISBN but all the major online bookshops say they don't have it.
Other than a trip down to London (Yes - I am in the UK!) I don't know
how to get hold of it. Any ideas? Any London folders could email me with
offers of help if they wanted ;)

Thank you for your time

--
Mark





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:13:07 +0100
Subject: Re: model request: joker

Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET> sez

>Hello, does anyone know of a joker model.  A head with cap with one of those
>hats that have three tips on it.

I've a simple model which appeared in the Rupert annual some years ago.
I've put diagrams up at my homepage (under origami!)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:52:14 +0200
Subject: web site updated

hello all,

i updated my web site (99-05-16 18:00:00 MET)

http://home.t-online.de/home/Torsten.Drees/

have fun

torsten





From: Dave Venables <davevenables@USA.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:59:12 -0600 (
Subject: Re: [

Hi

This is quite a good folded example. I have diagrams if requested (private
emails only please).

http://www.netaddress.com/tpl/Door/114AODSZY/Welcome

Best WISHES

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From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:17:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Japanese book

Mark,
At 12.01 16/5/1999 +0100, you wrote:
>I have seen a book (by Kasahara) with loads of nice folds of animals,
>mostly fairly simple on the whole. However I can't get my own copy!

Can you tell me the ISBN (and the title, if you know it ?). Kasahara has
published hundreds of books, the one you mention may well be out of print.
I don't think that London bookshops can be of much help.....

Roberto

PS There is a chance of Kasahara in flesh & bones attending our Italian CDO
Convention in December, but this is a confidential whisper..... don't tell
it around !





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:04:29 +0000
Subject: huge origami sighting

A huge billboard atop the Penn Station entrance of Madison Square Garden (The
main commuter station in New York City) has our Ros Joyce's money bunnies!
These dollar bill rabbits have been appearing in full page ads for Citibank.
They've run several times in many New York area newspapers and an animated
version (done in Seattle Washington) has been shown on T.V.

I've seen various versions of the full page ad which consists of three or
more bunnies and just a little text. The billboard has several bunnies with
wind-up keys added. The bunnies are several feet high, and can be seen on 7nth
Avenue.

This is really wonderful exposure for origami.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:37:34 -0400
Subject: Re: huge origami sighting

>
> A huge billboard atop the Penn Station entrance of Madison Square Garden (The
> main commuter station in New York City) has our Ros Joyce's money bunnies!
> These dollar bill rabbits have been appearing in full page ads for Citibank.
> They've run several times in many New York area newspapers and an animated
> version (done in Seattle Washington) has been shown on T.V.
>
Those rabbits have really been multiplying!
I caught them on tv as well.
It's only good advertising for origami if the viewer has an idea of what
origami is :-)

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:23:13 +0100
Subject: copyright on computer diagrams?

Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM> sez

>Copyright does pose a dilemma for origami fans.

And also for authors - Once you have given computer diagrams to a book
company, the artwork becomes their property. If you wish to edit/alter
the diagrams to use them in another book, exactly what constitutes
sufficient change to avoid copyright problems? You *could* completely
redraw the diagrams, but they are likely to be pretty much the same,
especially for simple designs.

Flipping the diagrams and altering the fill/line width would make them
seem different, but I daresay a computer-savvy court of law would see
the similarities first!

The origami artwork of many Mac users is so close that it's almost
impossible to tell them apart (although there is no real reason why
authors of computer diagrams should not be identifiable from their work
- I like to think mine can..)  How would a court of law handle alleged
theft in such as case?

Comments welcomed, especially from authors who have faced this problem.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:45:05 -0400
Subject: Toronto Club

Toronto Club - how can we reach you?

The Rochester New York club would like to take a 'field trip' and come
to visit one of your meetings - and shop for paper.

You can either contact me by replying privately to me or email the club
at

     rorigami@yahoo.com

We also would like to extend an invitation for you to visit our
meetings.  We meet on the second Wednesday of each month, 7 - 9 pm at
Borders Books and Music, 1000 Hylan Drive,  Rochester (near Marketplace
Mall).  We would be willing to arrange a weekend folding if that would
work better for you.

The invitation to join our meetings extends to all who live in Rochester
or are just visiting.

Our meeting format is usually to teach three models, one at the beginner
level, one at the intermediate level, and one high-intermediate or
complex.
--
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Edith M. Kort
    Rochester Origami Club

  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Before you can be eccentric
          You must know where the circle is





From: "Ewen,Tony (Aust)" <Tony_Ewen@AVCO.AFCC.COM>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:30:07 -0700
Subject: New list member trying to do Kawasaki's Rose

Hi everybody,

I'm a new player in the origami game, and I've been trying to "do the rose"
for the last couple of weeks. I've achieved only partial success though.

The pre-folding goes well, I've got the twist fold down pat, but here I've
hit a brick wall.

I think I've got the wrap-around step right. The "petals" seem to be the
right shape. I'm not entirely sure about the top / bottom though. Does
anyone have a  picture or drawing of what the center part of the top is
meant to actually look like (this bit is just grey on my chart, which is the
PDF version 2.1 Diagrammed by Winson Chan, which I downloaded). I also need
some help getting to step 25 from there. The bottom view from 22/23 looks
fine, but here I'm just confused.

Any help appreciated.

BTW, anyone else here from the Central Coast of New South Wales (Australia)?

Regards
Tony Ewen





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:11:01 -0700
Subject: ORCA Registration

I have not received any registration info. for ORCA, and can't find an email
     address on their website. Does anyone know if registration is being
     accepted yet? According to the website, registration after June 1 will be
     subject to a late fee.
It would be nice if a registration form was available on the website.

Thanks in advance,

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:32:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] copyright crisis

I procrastinated on finding that article in Wired, but it turns out to be
easy.  It is archived on their web site at
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.03/economy.ideas.html

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:00:57 +0200
Subject: [Fwd: WWW form from spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com]

Can someone answer this question? Please reply to the address in the
'E-mail' line and NOT to the list.

WWW server via mailform wrote:
>
> Commentaar=I am looking for any directions for origami folded book
     structures.  I would appreciate any help you can give.
> Thank you
> E-mail=oohsandoz@aol.com
> Instelling=
> Locatie=Fullerton, CA
> Naam=Longerot
> Voorletters=S
> herkomst=ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/index.htm

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:53:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] copyright crisis

I tried, I really did, but you knew I couldn't resist jumping in on this
thread..:o)

A few things: first, for a long time now (like >100 years) there has been
an ongoing debate about whether copyrights and patents help or hurt in
the large [NB: recall that they are *social* mechanisms: the question is
not whether a particular inventor or creator will get more or less rich
given the protections, but whether society as a whole will benefit more].
Barlow's volley is just a recent salvo in the ongoing discussion.

Second, for each Grateful Dead that make a lot of money from appearances,
merchandise and producing more albums and such, there are dozens of small-
time musicians who've basically never made a dime because folk copy
[=pirate] their tapes and CDs and don't buy enough of 'em [I had friends
up in Boston who were in this crowd... and it wasn't fun for them to hear
one of their songs played on a random local station where even the
*STATION* had a bootlegged copy].  It isn't near as cut and dried a win
for creators as Barlow would have you believe.

Third, he pitches the argument to "users", to put force behind the notion
that we'll all rise up and declare that we don't want to be hindered by
copyrights/patents any more...  but the fact is that that's just wrong
(and indeed, feels a little sleazy): he really has to pitch the argument
to _creators_.  The consumers always want something-for-nothing and are
usually delighted to hear persuasive arguments about why it is OK for
them to GET something for nothing.

However, creators and inventors are perfectly capable, right now with no
changes in any legislation or anything, to take Barlow's advice and
forego their legal protections.  Those that choose to: more power to 'em
and we, the parasites that feed on their creativity, appreciate their
contributions; those that choose not to... that's their prerogative ---
let Barlow engage them in a dialectic and try to convince them otherwise.

But overall, I don't think there's anything substantive one way or the
other to it all from the consumer side: for inventors and creators who
choose to retain their "rights" we have no real choice, either legal or
ethical, other than to go along with their wishes.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:41:54 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] copyright crisis

>I procrastinated on finding that article in Wired, but it turns out to be

        "procastinated" ?   Does it hurt ?

                    JJ Caaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:41:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Japanese book

> Mark,
> At 12.01 16/5/1999 +0100, you wrote:
> >I have seen a book (by Kasahara) with loads of nice folds of animals,
> >mostly fairly simple on the whole. However I can't get my own copy!
>
> Can you tell me the ISBN (and the title, if you know it ?). Kasahara has
> published hundreds of books, the one you mention may well be out of print.
> I don't think that London bookshops can be of much help.....
>
The book is quite recent AFAIK, and Dave Brill had got it recently in
London, hence my initial ideas. I wasn't being intentionally vague, it
was just a way of asking how to get foreign language material from
English speaking (or American speaking!!) sources. I did try Sasuga
books who reckoned they could get it direct from Japan in 3-4 weeks, but
i dread to think what the cost would be!!!!
Anyway, the ISBN is 4537014938, and I can't give you the title because I
don't read Japanese!!!!.

--
Mark





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:08:35 -1000
Subject: Re: cats

Binzi wrote:
>
> Hi folders,
>
> Where can I find a realistic looking, complex cat (in addition to the ones
> sleeping in my bed and sitting on my breakfast)?
>
> CU
> Evi

I have had many people comment on how realistic Tomoko Fuse's cat is.
Its found in "Simple Traditional Origami".  It's not complex but it is
charming and realistic.   Jan





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:18:30 -1000
Subject: Re: origami capitalism

Welcome to the club.  I've been doing very well commercially.  However,
I make the origami into jewelry.  It requires me to make them more
permanent than just folding kami.
l. I use washi...better grade of paper.
2. I lacquer it and glue the inside to prevent unfolding and to
waterproof it.
3. I write the creators to ask for permission to fold each model.  I was
refused by only one creator...Yoshizawa, he doesn't like his models
sold.
Good luck.  You can email me personally if you want more information.
Aloha, Jan

> ----------------------
> Kevin A. Hines
> hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:19:40 -0700
Subject: Re: cats

At 17:09 99/05/17 -0400, you wrote:
>> I have recently found an excellent cat model in Tanteidan's 3rd Convention
>> Book.  It is a 3 dimensional model with a curved spine!  A beautiful
>> representation!  It's well worth spending the money for this excellent book.

I believe that the cat in question is by YAMAGUCHI Makoto.

>In addition to that one, there is van Goubergen's Cat and David Brill's Cat.
>van Goubergen's Cat is in the OUSA 1997 Annual Collection, and Brill's Cat is
>in a recent BOS Convention collection.  I'm sure Yoshizawa has some, but I
>don't recall having observed the final results anywhere (I've seen a final
>model of the one you mention, plus the other two, all are very nice).

Yes, Yoshizawa has a nice cat in Sosaku Origami. It's made out of 2 pieces
of paper, though.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:30:39 -0700
Subject: Re: cats

>
> Where can I find a realistic looking, complex cat (in addition to the ones
> sleeping in my bed and sitting on my breakfast)?
> Evi
Engel's Tiger fold can also be adapted to various domestic cat postures and
proportions with a little tweaking. What caught my attention in your post
was the phrase "sitting on my breakfast". Rather than let them sit on your
breakfast, you might just want to make some extra hash-browns for kitty bun
warmers. Just a suggestion.





From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:04:25 -0400
Subject: sighting

Last night's episode of The Simpsons mentioned origami,
albeit briefly.

----------------------
Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:34:41 -0400
Subject: origami capitalism

Hello, all. I've been lurking here for a few months, I must
say that it's (usually) very interesting eavesdropping on
conversations between origami dignitaries. I think I'm
starting to get a feel for the "culture" of origami, which
is good, since until recently I didn't realize that there
WAS a culture.

I've been folding for about 20 years now, but it's always
been (for me) a solitary hobby. Only recently have I
involved myself in local groups, and I must say, I enjoy it
greatly.

My question is this: Is it in any way considered taboo to
sell origami? I know that there are several people on this
list who make money at it, but I get the impression that
income is generated mostly from commissioned designs,
published works, etc., and not from the sale of completed
models. I fold a LOT, but always other people's designs. I
think I'm still a few years away from being competent as a
designer. (Hence, I call myself an origami "craftsperson"
rather than an origami "artist.")

So, I've got this house full of origami (lotsa Fuse
modulars, boxes, Motroll animals, Brill curiosities) and
I'm outta work for the summer. Why not address both
problems with a single solution, and sell some of the
things I've folded,like at craft fairs or something? (I
would, of course, always credit the designer- this is in no
way an attempt at assuming credit for the work of others.)

So...How do y'all weigh in on this issue? I'd appreciate
your opinions, especially those of the artists whose work I
propose to use...

Thanks,
     >K

----------------------
Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:44:43 -0700
Subject: Re: sighting

>Last night's episode of The Simpsons mentioned origami,
>albeit briefly.
>
>----------------------
>Kevin A. Hines
>hines@andrew.cmu.edu

I saw it!  Two mentions, when Homer and Bart were in prison they were
forced to do Origami, and later Homer folded the last of their money into a
crane and it flew away with the breeze.

David





From: "Campbell, Jennifer" <CampbellJ@DFO-MPO.GC.CA>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:33:53 -0400
Subject: realistic domestic cat model

Hi folks,

This is a reply for Evi (Binzi) who was looking for a realistic looking,
complex domestic cat model.

I have found that Montroll's bobcat from North American Animals in Origami
can be modified to become an excellent cat model. But not a cat in repose,
lounging on your bed or sitting on your breakfast as you mentioned. A cat
with its nose down and tail straight, in the stalking posture (whether to
attack a mouse or a mere ball of string is up to you).

The major modification I make to Montroll's bobcat is I eliminate the
whiskers. I know a lot of work went into putting them there, but when I fold
it, the creature ends up looking like a star-nosed mole. This frees up an
extra flap which I use to 3-D the head. I also shorten the snout to be more
domestic-cat-like and change the hind legs somewhat. This cat looks great
posed with a tiny Kasahara's mouse (from Origami Omnibus). I even made a
blue cat once this way and everyone knew exactly what it was!

Jennifer.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:38:43 -0400
Subject: Re: realistic domestic cat model

Campbell, Jennifer wrote:
> I have found that Montroll's bobcat from North American Animals in Origami
> can be modified to become an excellent cat model.

While that is Montroll's Book, it is KAWAHATA's model.  Just for the record.

-Doug





From: "<Ryan Becker>" <RyBecker@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:55:24 -0400 (
Subject: Re: cats

I've always been disappointed with origami cats.  None of them ever seem to
do justice to the feline form.

I have recently found an excellent cat model in Tanteidan's 3rd Convention
Book.  It is a 3 dimensional model with a curved spine!  A beautiful
representation!  It's well worth spending the money for this excellent book.
It is available through Sasuga Japanese Bookstore at
http://www.sasugabooks.com/.

Ryan Becker





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:09:35 -0400
Subject: Re: cats

> I have recently found an excellent cat model in Tanteidan's 3rd Convention
> Book.  It is a 3 dimensional model with a curved spine!  A beautiful
> representation!  It's well worth spending the money for this excellent book.

In addition to that one, there is van Goubergen's Cat and David Brill's Cat.
van Goubergen's Cat is in the OUSA 1997 Annual Collection, and Brill's Cat is
in a recent BOS Convention collection.  I'm sure Yoshizawa has some, but I
don't recall having observed the final results anywhere (I've seen a final
model of the one you mention, plus the other two, all are very nice).

-D'gou





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:20:52 -0300
Subject: Re: realistic domestic cat model

>>From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
>>
>>While that is Montroll's Book, it is KAWAHATA's model.  Just for the record.
>>
>>-Doug
Agreed, like the musk ox and raccoon. Other suggestions for realistic cats:

Montroll's cat in Teach Yourself O. Realistic, although more like a kitten
(large head, short tail).

Pat Crawford's Stalking Cat in Robert Harbin's most recently reprinted book
(sorry, can't remember the title; it's the thin book by Dover with awful
cover and impossible-to-beat price, many models by Crawford for US$2.95
or less). VERY realistic and suggestive, a bit hard to give proper pose.

Toshie TAKAHAMA's cat in (among others) Paul Jackson's Classic Origami. Simple
and effective. More abstract than realistic, but cute nonetheless.

Stephen O'Hanlon's cats. Online in his homepage
www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4800. IMHO not (yet) very polished, yet
attractive.

Akira YOSHIZAWA's cats in Dokuhon II. Two-piece, but extremely realistic.
Resting and walking models. Like most models by AY, easy to learn, hard
to master, impossible to reproduce.

Fred Rohm's cats, BOS booklets. Usually need cuts.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br ~furuti





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:43:20 +0100
Subject: Re: Japanese book

Mark

> > I don't think that London bookshops can be of much help.....
> >
> The book is quite recent AFAIK, and Dave Brill had got it recently in
> London, hence my initial ideas. I wasn't being intentionally vague, it

> Anyway, the ISBN is 4537014938, and I can't give you the title because I

I think I have a copy of this book. It's from the Ai series? and quite a
small format (around A5, perhaps a little smaller)?? There's a red dragon
on the cover??? I found my copy a few years ago in London (probably the
Japan Centre Bookshop). I've not seen in since. You should ask Dave exactly
where he found it, as London is a large place, and bookshops with origami
titles are widely dispersed!

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)
