




From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:14:39 -0500
Subject: Re: OUSA & Polotics yadda yadda yadda

Of course it is necessary. A lot of what I have read in unrealistic.

> If it's not important to you, then skip it ----- but it is informative to
> others.  Your belittleing it is unnecessary.

> >I could sleep through this.

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From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:59:23 -0400
Subject: Re: The Advantages of the French

JJ Caaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaa opines:

> This is the reason why WE, french-speaking people, will get it to work :
> because we won't spend days wondering if what we are doing is politically
> correct, copyright correct, cholesterol-free, and if animals are hurt during
> the process, or even if some kids in a poor country are slave workers for us
> !

No - I hear all you care about is that people speak la belle langue with
the proper accent (or not speak it at all)! ;-)

Mike "Je parle fronsay tray bee yen, ness pah?" Naughton





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:49:03 +0100
Subject: Saving old books

This was on a BookArts Mailing list -- might be helpful for those concerned
about old Origami books -- conservators have undoubtedly thought much about
the subject.

To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU

 The cons-dist list (an email list for conservators of all kinds) had an
interesting posting on a series of documents put out by the Conservation
Forum, a UK group, which is working on ways of defining the role and
standards for professional conservators, as well as a method of
accreditation.  The interesting thing is the way they recognize the
multiple ways people acquire training in their approach.  They don't try
to perscribe programs and contents, they focus on results, sort of a
"the proof is in the pudding" viewpoint, as opposed to a "how do you get
there" one.  The results they are looking for, however, are impressive.
If you have access to the web, you can check out the documents at
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/ukic/jag/
    Dorothy Africa

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:33:04 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Quick random thoughts (NO, copying and publishing)

In a message dated 99-04-21 22:13:42 EDT, you write:

> For the non-computer owner... What about production via Copy Centers.  I
>  just pulled out a big annual...it was 326 pages.... at 5 cents per page
>  that would be $16.30 plus $2 for binding...its still less than $25.  In
>  college, the Copy Centers would hold a book, and you could just order a
>  copy directly from them.

Uh, Parry, problem is that wouldn't leave any income for OUSA. That's why
copying without permission is  No-No. Which is why no ethical copy center
will copy a book anymore.

Altho, for things like the comb-bound convention books, it would be nice
if we could pay OUSA for a per-copy license, sending OUSA a check for
their cut every time we make a copy.

It would save shipping charges, which should reduce the net cost to you
by a couple of bucks. Figure the $25 cost includes production (copying)
costs, P&H (postage and handling, including packaging), and profit for
the copyright owner (in this case OUSA); this would reduce or eliminate
the P&H component.

The big problem with this idea is, it has to run on the Honor System,
and that is notoriously hard to enforce. It might help if OUSA could
respond to the check with a receipt and some kind of pretty license
sticker to put on the copy to make it an official licensed copy.
(And register the copy, so it can be verified, to offset copying the
sticker? Numbering and dating the sticker would be nice, but that
increases the cost too much. _sigh_)

Hmm. Maybe we could send the check first, then take the license to
the copy center as proof that we have permission to copy? They can
copy and file the license along with our ID information, to protect
themselves against infringement lawsuits.

Then the second problem would be how to distribute and store the prime
copy that you print from. Dunno if the copy shops want to be bothered.
This might be a good reason for setting up regional origami libraries.

Scary idea: an origami booklegging network, but legalized, run sort of like
a network-marketing arrangement, like Amway and Tupperware and other
party-plan marketing arrangements. Should integrate well, into a network
of small (and not-so-small) local origami clubs with club libraries.

It'd be like the movie industry was, where you distribute a small number of
"prints" of a work to paid licensees, who then charge per "viewing", keep
records, and send a percent of the "revenues" back up thru the distribution
chain.

We already have a traditional informal ad hoc network for "sharing"
of unpublished or barely published origami diagrams in hardcopy,
and another parallel system developing on the Internet and WWW.

If I remember right, the Sunday funnies, the color comics, are produced
on a relatively small number of big regional presses across the country
(USA), that provide the service to the much larger number of newspapers,
who can't afford their own presses to print those. But that only works
because there's such a large market, that it can keep those high-volume
presses rolling.

At some point, the publishing industry will make another price  adjustment
for the advances in reproduction and delivery technology, and price books
as "commodities" instead of "luxuries", like the way the prices of videos
are falling, but I don't know when that'll happen. The technology for
printing
"books on demand" isn't quite there yet.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com





From: Michael LaFosse <info@ORIGAMIDO.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:34:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Copyright and the OUSA archival collection

Deg Farrelly wrote:

> The intent of my hasty response was to point out that suggestions that the
> OUSA collection be photocopied or scanned for loan or redistribution may be
> a little simplistic and what is actually permissible (not to mention
> feasible) is far more complicated than what may seem apparent.

I would also like to add that physically duplicating the collection of books
will require a lot of time, money, and space.  Not that these elements make a
dead end of the idea but the project would take many years to complete once
started.  I am all for the preservation of both the book and the model
collection, as I would like to see these materials more easily accessed by
members.  We do have plans to improve the storage conditions of the model
collection.

My background is useful here as I do have a lot of experience working with
paper based archives (7 years library experience) and on collections management
(10 years at Peabody Essex Museum, mollusk collection, and three years
association with the Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University) as well
as my own origami collection and my 25 years as a papermaker.

I would like to know which members of OrigamiUSA can help.  Also, if you would
like to help but you are not a member, please consider joining us.  Please
reply to me privately to offer your help. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Michael G. LaFosse
michael@origamido.com





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:39:30 -0400
Subject: Littleton, MA, USA Origami Group meeting Tuesday Night April 27, 1999

The Littleton, MA, USA Origami group will be meeting the last Tuesday of the
month at the library in the "Listening" room.  We hope to have some
discussion about a name for the group as well as the usual stuff - sharing
information and learning models and techniques.

Dennis Brannon

When: Tuesday,  April 27, 1999, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:50:35 -0400
Subject: Joseph's Shark...

Joseph Wu's home page (http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/) has his new Great
White Shark on display!

Nice model, Joseph!

-D'gou





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:55:59 +0800
Subject: kaki

Just an interesting Japanese translation story - kaki means both persimmon
and oyster in Japanese.  An interpreter translated a phrase as 'clinging
like an oyster' - in fact the Japanese phrase is actually clinging like a
persimmon.  In the winter in rural Japan you see these wonderful gnarled and
leafless trees with glowing orange persimmons hanging from them - quite
beautiful, and inspiring many drawings and poems!





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:07:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Copyright and the OUSA archival collection

On 21 Apr 99, at 17:52, Deg Farrelly wrote:

> Allen Parry wrote:
>
> <<Actually, this is not totally true.  A copyright is not perpetual.  That
> is why you are recently seeing inexpensive copies of the classics on
> bookstore shelves.>>

[ ...]
>
> But as Allen Parry's quote from "Copyright and Publishing Law" by Ellen
> Kozak points out...  determining just what is expired and in public domain
> is very complicated.

Let me expand on this: it is *more* than very complicated; it is darn
near impossible!  As far as I know [having talked to a half-dozen
lawyers, two specialists in IP matters, two work for publishing houses],
there is *NO*WAY* to determine whether a work has been placed in the
public domain or who the actual copyright holder is, unless the document
itself says-so (and even that might not help enough: see below).

The problem is that a copyright is an *asset* and as such can be
licensed, transferred under contract, sold, and liquidated during
bankruptcy, just as any other asset can.  Actually, it is worse than
other assets: lots of assets can be destroyed [you can always just throw
a book case in the dumptser], but by and large copyrights *cannot*: they
always go somewhere and never just "disappear" unless the holder
*explicitly* [there is no default action here!!!!] gives up the copying
rights and places the work in the public domain.

There is no requirement [in the US] that a successor copyright holder
*do*anything* to make public notice of the fact that they are, in fact,
the copyright holders.  One lawyer [in the legal department at a real
publisher] told me that often the first and only notice that they receive
that there is a copyright problem is when the actual copyright holder's
lawyer comes to call [bearing proof that they are, in fact, the copyright
holder].

Some times, even when the publisher [or other named copyright holder] can
still be located you *still* can't figure out what's going on: you call
the legal dept at Addison-Wesley about a book that is out of print, and
*THEY* may have virtually no way to know whether the copyright was sold
[say to Dover] or reverted back to the author or what [they can try to
find all the original contracts and paperwork for you, but I suspect
you'd have to pay them to do that research!]
    (on one work I was seeking permission to copy and illustration from,
    it ended up that although it said nothing about it on the copyright
    page of the work, the actual copyright of the illustrations were
    held jointly by the publisher and the artist: the publisher said "ok
    with us if it is OK with the artist", and then I had to chase the
    artist down to finish securing permission)

So the moral is: if you didn't create the work, you have to tread
carefully and be prepared to do some legwork if you want to make
copies...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:12:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Quick random thoughts (NO, copying and publishing)

On 22 Apr 99, at 8:33, Kenny1414@AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 99-04-21 22:13:42 EDT, you write:
>
> > For the non-computer owner... What about production via Copy Centers.  I
> >  just pulled out a big annual...it was 326 pages.... at 5 cents per page
> >  that would be $16.30 plus $2 for binding...its still less than $25.  In
> >  college, the Copy Centers would hold a book, and you could just order a
> >  copy directly from them.
>
> Uh, Parry, problem is that wouldn't leave any income for OUSA. That's why
> copying without permission is  No-No. Which is why no ethical copy center
> will copy a book anymore.
>
> Altho, for things like the comb-bound convention books, it would be nice
> if we could pay OUSA for a per-copy license, sending OUSA a check for
> their cut every time we make a copy.

But why do it that way: why not have *OUSA* keep the "originals" on CD,
and have *THEM* [as copyright holder] go to Kinkos and get the hardcopies
made.  After the initial run, the "archive copies" could simply cost
whatever-it-costs to hand Kinkos a CD and say "print this", plus some
profit, shipping and handling.  That'll undoubtedly be more than the
initial run cost for a copy, but for many that'd be better than the
alternative of not being able to obtain a copy *at*all*, no?

Back when we were discussing getting the Origamian reprinted [a project
I'd *still* be excited to see someone pick up the ball on!!!!], several
folk emailed me that two-sides copies can be had for like .06/page these
days, and so that'd make the printing costs for a 250 page book something
like $15.00.  I'd guess that OUSA could offer the back-copies, reprinted
on demand by the onesies, for $50 and make a profit.

  /Bernie\

--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:06:09 +0900
Subject: Re: kaki

> Just an interesting Japanese translation story - kaki means both persimmon
> and oyster in Japanese.  An interpreter translated a phrase as 'clinging
> like an oyster' - in fact the Japanese phrase is actually clinging like a
> persimmon.  In the winter in rural Japan you see these wonderful gnarled
and
> leafless trees with glowing orange persimmons hanging from them - quite
> beautiful, and inspiring many drawings and poems!

We use phrases like 'clinging like an oyster' in Japan.
Such phrases mean clinging tight.

Kaki as persimmon and kaki as oyster have different kanji characters
in writting and different intonations in speaking. We can distinguish
them easily.

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:27:26 -0500
Subject: Re: origami interview.

Darren Abbey wrote:
>
> Good day,
>
>         I just recieved an email from a high school student in Norcross,
     Georgia
> requesting a phone interview for a project of his on origami.   He needs it
     done
> by this Monday.   It seems procrastination is going well in our country's high
> schools.   I'm unable to help him on this matter due to my hectic schedule for
> the next few days.
>         If any of you folders in the area of Norcross, Georgia have the time
     and the
> inclination to help out I'd appreciate it if you emailed him at
> "brangel@bellsouth.net" as soon as possible.

I just got to my e-mail and found a similar or should I say
Identical message except it was addressed to me (grin), yes
procrastination is doing well here in the US!!

I replied if he couldn't find someone local that he could call
me, tommarrow at 6.  I hope some one can save him a long distance
call!

Gee I wonder how many of us on the net got this same note (LOL)

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:45:50 -0700
Subject: crane decorating idea

Greetings everybody:)

The thousand plus cranes are all strung and I'm putting them
on different size rings.  The ones done with printed paper went
on a large embroidery hoop which I rested on one of the lampshades
in our family room.  When I lit the lamp I decided that I liked
decoration I accidentally created.  I may make some on purpose now.
Just thought I'd share my creation with others on the list.  This
was a bit of serendipity, I'd say.

Ria    ^   ^





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:50:41 -0700
Subject: Update on John's recovery

My best wishes to all of my friends on the list who contributed to
the collection of cranes for my husband who's been undergoing cancer
treatments.  We are optimistic that the most recent round of treatment
will have positive results in a month or two.  Presently, John is able
to work and lead a fairly normal life with medications.

Ria   ^   ^





From: Sandra Wambold <wambold@POBOX.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:00:15 -0400
Subject: crane graphic

Would anyone be able to provide me a crane graphic suitable for a
business card?  I'm making some cards up for a festival this weekend.

-sew





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:23:12 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Sighting

The Mingei International Museum of Folk Crafts, Design and Technology in San
Diego is presently exhibiting treasures from the Tokyo Folk Craft Museum.
Included right near the entrance of the museum is a large collection of
"tatos" folded by Michio Uchiyama who died last year. They are mounted in a
long accordion pleated book.

Tatos were traditionally folded by housewives for storing sewing needles and
other small items. By using origami paper a two-tone effect appears at the
top of the finished purse. Uchiyama took this concept much further. He used
several colored paper squares and angled them on top of each other. This
method is demonstrated at the top of a page and a variety of possible
arrangements is shown on one or two pages. Beautiful.

Happy Folding and all best from Florence.





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:39:00 -0400
Subject: Same Tune

Alan,

>> Diversity of region on the board would be a good thing.

>>I am glad you have changed your stance, Mark.  Now if we could convince
>>OUSA of this.

I have not changed my tune - I will support change WHAT I will not support
is your efforts to bring about a law suit to invalid the election and
threaten the existance of OUSA.  I supported the addition of out of town
board members while I was on the board. I belive that a mixture is good. I
also think that at least half for the time being should be in attendence in
NYC where a bulk of the work is done. The shift to more outside board
members should be phased in.

I still suspect your motives. The future of OUSA as you outlined to me in
January I found and still find alarming. That you do not mention them in any
of your postings scares me more.  I believe that you do not mention it
because it would raise an alarm with most of the membership. I have seen
repeated request for your vision other that "We can run (this year not being
mentioned) and that's not fair! I doubt that your vision would withstand the
light of day.

 I believe that the base in the museum has more benefits that drawbacks. I
think that a central location makes the core group working on things more
cohesive. The cohesion helps to get the work done. Your ideas of ripping the
organisation from the museum and dispersing everything will disappate the
focus and make getting the work done harder in the long term.

Mark





From: rikki donachie <rikki@EDNET.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:01:42 +0100
Subject: Re: crane graphic

Sandra Wambold wrote:

> Would anyone be able to provide me a crane graphic suitable for a
> business card?  I'm making some cards up for a festival this weekend.
>
> -sew

No problems Sandra, e-mail me with the details and requirements and I'll
get on to it straightaway.

e-mail; rikki@ednet.co.uk





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:16:31 +0200
Subject: SCHEHERAZADE

This is Kalmon
blowing his trombone for
Origami in the Clouds

For those of you who are not
averse to wise veiled women
I have arranged to have a very simple
pureland portrait of Sheherazade
added to the Origami Cloud
on www.thok.dk

Greetings
from the Great and Glorious
Kalmon.





From: Daniela Carboni <s134259@STUDENTI.ING.UNIPI.IT>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:45:07 +0200
Subject: Re: Kaki

Joseph wrote:
>At 20:08 99/04/21 +0200, you wrote:
>>>Fiore Di Kaki:
>>        Flower of the persimmon tree, "Persimmon Blossom"
>
>This is interesting because the persimmon is also called "kaki" in Japanese.
>I wonder which language borrowed the word from the other, or if this is
>simply a "coincidence".
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
>t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
>w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca

I am quite sure that the word's origin is Japanese.

And to be honest I like to eat "kaki" in huge number :)

/\_/\    Daniela S. Carboni
 o o     email: s134259@studenti.ing.unipi.it
= # =    -Soon I will have a new web page-





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:50:13 +0200
Subject: Re: Flower Translation, Italian

Joseph,
At 11.18 21/4/1999 -0700, you wrote:

>>        Flower of the persimmon tree, "Persimmon Blossom"
>
>This is interesting because the persimmon is also called "kaki" in Japanese.
>I wonder which language borrowed the word from the other, or if this is
>simply a "coincidence".

Coincidence ??? <:-O

Well, obviously I've not been clear enough. "Kaki" is NOT an Italian word
(even if it has been italicized as "cachi"). It IS the borrowed Japanese
name! Also, the Latin name (Diospyros) can be used in Italian as "Diospiro"
(or "Diospero" in Tuscany).

Roberto





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:36:43 +0200
Subject: Re: SCHEHERAZADE

This is Beautiful !

        JJ Caaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:00:44 +0100
Subject: Sv: Re: SCHEHERAZADE

THORKILD SXNDERGERD <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK> sez

>Dear JJ Caaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>It takes one to see one

So JJ is a woman after all? Jeanne-Jerome perhaps?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:16:14 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: SCHEHERAZADE

>This is Beautiful !
>
>        JJ Caaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dear JJ Caaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
It takes one to see one

Greetings

Kalmon the Great and Glorious
www.thok.dk





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:14:45 -0400
Subject: Winged Stag Beetle in Oru 2

I'm currently working on the winged stag beetle in ORU Vol. 2.  I'm stuck on
step 37 from pg 106. I don't understand how to get to step 38.  Any
suggestions? Thanks.

Keropi





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:50:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Robert Lang's "Moose"

Rick Beech wrote:

"I desperately seek diagrams of Robert
Lang's wonderful Moose model..."

Rick, you will have to contact the origami medium, Clair Voyant, for
this one.  Robert's Moose diagrams are unpublished.

Dorothy





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:33:26 +0100
Subject: Yoshizawa titles

We have three books which we would appreciate help with the titles. They
are:

a hardback book with a gorilla one the front (???back???)

Another hardback with a frog, a drogonfly and some constellations on it

a big softback book in brown with the author showing how to back paper
etc.

If any of you know the titles I would be grateful. Also the contents
would be nice ( my list consisits of things like fish, fish, another
fish, cat, cat cat!!!!)

--
Mark





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:34:11 -0400 (
Subject: Robert Lang's "Moose"

Dear Friends,

As a thank-you gift for a London, England based company called "Loose Moose"
whom I
have just been doing an origami commission for, I desperately seek diagrams
of Robert
Lang's wonderful Moose model (as displayed in England 3 - 4 years ago, and
pictured on
internet pages). I don't know if diagrams exist, but if they do, and anyone
has them, could
they please post them to Rick Beech,  33 Ormskirk Rise,  Spondon,  Derby,
England
DE21 7NU.

Many Thanks,

Rick.





From: Darren Abbey <darren_a@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:06:13 -0500
Subject: origami interview.

Good day,

        I just recieved an email from a high school student in Norcross, Georgia
requesting a phone interview for a project of his on origami.   He needs it done
by this Monday.   It seems procrastination is going well in our country's high
schools.   I'm unable to help him on this matter due to my hectic schedule for
the next few days.
        If any of you folders in the area of Norcross, Georgia have the time
     and the
inclination to help out I'd appreciate it if you emailed him at
"brangel@bellsouth.net" as soon as possible.   I've told him that I'd not be
able to give a phone interview, but might be able to find the free time in my
schedule to formulate answeres to his questions via email.

Thank you.

PS:  I've included a copy of the message I recieved.

> Bruno wrote:
>
> Mr. Abbey,
>
> My name is Bruno, and I am a Senior at Meadowcreek High School, located in
> Norcross, Georgia. I have always admired your work on the art of Origami, and
> I seek the day when I will be able to be as creative as you, and I think the
> time for me to develop my skills has come. In my English class, every student
> is required to discuss a topic, and I gladly chose Origami. As required, we
> also have to interview an expert on the topic, and I could not think of anyone
> better than you. My teacher also says that we should record the interview in a
> tape recorder, which makes it very hard for me to interview you by the
> Internet. I would really appreciate it if you E-Mail me, giving your phone
> number and the time that you would be available to be interviewd by phone with
> me during this weekend (the interview is due Monday, 26th). I will ask you ten
> questions about Origami, its history, and its benefits to people. I really
> appreciate your patience by reading this E-Mail, and I hope you could spare
> some time for me. My E-Mail address is brangel@bellsouth.net
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bruno Rangel Carcassole

--
Darren Abbey     -. .-.   .-. .-.   . E-mail:
Biology student  ||X|||\ /|||X|||\ /|  darren_a@mail.utexas.edu
University of    |/ \|||X|||/ \|||X|| URL:
   Texas, Austin '   `-' `-'   `-' `-  xenobleps.dorm.utexas.edu





From: AvriI@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:21:40 -0400 (
Subject: angelfish

Does anyone have a diagram for the angelfish?  I used to have a book which
included this, but have no idea where it is.





From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:35:38 -0400 (
Subject: Re: angelfish

In a message dated 4/24/1999 11:25:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AvriI@AOL.COM
writes:

> Does anyone have a diagram for the angelfish?  I used to have a book which
>  included this, but have no idea where it is.
>

There is an angelfish in Peter Engel's _Folding the Universe - Origami from
Angelfish to Zen_

Larry





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:43:30 -0400 (
Subject: Flower Folds, more; Temari newsletter

Aloha,

The "Spring/Early Summer 1999" issue of the quarterly newsletter
from Temari, Center for Asian and Pacific Arts, announces two classes
taught by Jodi Fukumoto, whom I don't know, "Orchid Origami", and
Snow King Protea Origami", and has pictures of the finished results,
which look very nice. The Orchids on the cover/first page look like they're
individually folded from a waterbomb base, or maybe the preliminary to
the frog base, and wire-stemmed to a branch. I can't tell whether the
Protea on page 6 is from a single sheet, and whether it's from a square
or octagon, but the center reminds me of the Persimmon, and Rae
Cooker's Strawberry, tho with twice the creases, and eight petals.

Sorry, I forgot who originally asked about Flower Origami.

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:49:13 -0700 (
Subject: Origami Sighting

The 1999 Business Travel Buyer's Handbook has an ad following pg 62
for the Peabody Hotels in Orlando and Memphis.  They are famous for
their ducks and the ad is about the hotels' ability to mold to
business groups, including a sketch of an origami duck for "Bonding
with International Paper."

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: Dor Jeong <DJeong1066@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:01:20 -0400 (
Subject: (no subject)

hi
i will be in San Francisco July 12 and 13.  do u know of any origami meetings
in the area at that time?  i'd like to know.  any information would be
appreciated.





From: "Dolphin G." <dolphing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:32:11 -0700 (
Subject: Re: angelfish

> Does anyone have a diagram for the angelfish?  I used to have a book which
>  included this, but have no idea where it is.
>

There's a very realistic anglefish in
"Origami Sea Life", by Montroll and
Lang.  It's listed as "complex".

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From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:37:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Winged Stag Beetle in Oru 2

At 11:14 PM 4/23/99 -0400, you wrote:

>I'm currently working on the winged stag beetle in ORU Vol. 2.

>I'm stuck on step 37 from pg 106. I don't understand how to get to step
38.  >Any suggestions? Thanks.

Well, first of all, step 38 is an intermediate 3D-step. Supposed that the
point marked by a dot in steps 34-35 is pointing towards you ("forms a
mountain peak") in step 36 and afterall step 37, the thing you should do is
to push the sides in towards the center and try to flatten the model into
what it is in step 39.
Step 38 shows the model with pushed-in-sides but yet opened up.

I don't know how clear this, but the move itself is very similar to what
you do when you are folding your model flat after unwrapping a blintzed
frog base (but this is distorted, so the model does not lie flat in step 38).

Hope this helps.

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:44:56 -0700 (
Subject: 1 year sober

Hi! Many of you may know me as the author of the article which
appeared in both BOS and OUSA's journals about my experience of
folding in jail.
I have struggled with my addictions for the past 36 years and have
finally been able to stay clean and sober for one year.[May 15th]
I can truly say that would not have been possible without the help of
my fellow folders.
My involvement on Origami Kingston and other events that I have taken
place in in my area have always been a great source of relaxation and
reflection.these experiences have done much to help me maintain my
sobriety.
I started a 1000 crane project to help me with the future of my
sobriety and have been unable to fold due to severe Tendinitis.
I relayed the story to a friend who knows of our list and they told me
to "ask for help" the same way I have in fighting my addiction. So
that's what I am doing.
Anyone who would like to send cranes to help me in my recovery from
alcohol and drugs your help would be appreciated.
          Sincerely,
                   Michael E. Kanarek
                    17 Clinton Ave.
                    Kingston, New York, 12401
ps. If anyone has stories about folding in Recovery I would love to
hear them.

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:52:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Flower Folds, more; Temari newsletter

At 11:43 AM 4/25/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Aloha,
>
>The "Spring/Early Summer 1999" issue of the quarterly newsletter
>from Temari, Center for Asian and Pacific Arts, announces two classes
>taught by Jodi Fukumoto, whom I don't know, "Orchid Origami", and
>Snow King Protea Origami", and has pictures of the finished results,
>which look very nice. The Orchids on the cover/first page look like they're
>individually folded from a waterbomb base, or maybe the preliminary to
>the frog base, and wire-stemmed to a branch. I can't tell whether the
>Protea on page 6 is from a single sheet, and whether it's from a square
>or octagon, but the center reminds me of the Persimmon, and Rae
>Cooker's Strawberry, tho with twice the creases, and eight petals.
>
>Sorry, I forgot who originally asked about Flower Origami.
>
>Aloha,
>Kenneth Kawamura
>kenny1414@aol.com
>
>
Aloha,

Kenny, I think Jodi has designed models for Jan Fodor and that she lives in
Hawaii
where she teaches classes and does origami for books.  Kathy Meyer loves
origami flowers
and it was probably her who asked about the topic.

Aloha,
Ria





From: Sam Kendig <neuro_mancer42@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:40:11 -0700
Subject: Fencer Model

Looking through the Origami Tanteidan webpage, I saw under the short
bio of Takashi Hojo that he'd designed a model of a fencer. Does anyone
know if it's diagrammed, and if so, where? I'd love to fold it, being
an avid fencer myself, and having had little luck designing my own
model.

Thanks,
Sam
Neuro_Mancer42@yahoo.com
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From: Martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:41:53 -0700
Subject: Octagon Petal Box

Kenneh M. Kawamura pointed out to me that the Octagonal Box I described
recently is very similar to the Chrysantemum box in Kunio Ekiguchi's,
"Book of Boxes"  (published by Kodansha in 1988) except his has twelve
sides. It is now obvious that here can be any number of sides and the
height and width can be made to whatever dimension.

Does anyone know offhand if this box was original with Kunio Ekiguchi --
or is it based in antiquity?

A warning to those who asked for and received my "crude" drawing. It was
not to scale and was meant only as a pictorial reference -- if you try
to make the box -- use the dimensions I posted and draw your own exact
diagram. My drawing comes close -- but is not accurate.

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574 Fax: 805-965-2414

WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<or>>
http://www.modelshops.com <<or>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Krystyna i Wojciech Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:12:25 +0200
Subject: travel to US

I'm planning my business travel to US.
I will be in Philadelphia and Reading, Pennsylvania from June 3 to June 6.

Can anybody tell me about origami related places or events in neighbourhood  ?

Wojtek





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:28:07 -0400
Subject: Beetle in Oru 2 finished

<snip> I don't know how clear this, but the move itself is very similar to
what
> you do when you are folding your model flat after unwrapping a blintzed
> frog base (but this is distorted, so the model does not lie flat in step
38).
>
> Hope this helps.    Happy folding, Peter Budai

Thank you Peter,  I attempted the beetle today again and am happy to report
that it was sucessful. What I realized after reading your message was that
in step 37, there should only be one layer of paper.  I was trying to get to
step 39 by folding with the paper still wrapped.  Again, thank you for your
help.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu

ps. I tried sending this to you with your email address but for some reason
the server would not allow me.





From: Dale/ Amy Liikala <lmtn@NCWEB.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:49:35 +0100
Subject: Buttonhole Flowers

At last year's OUSA Convention, Gay Merrill Gross was passing out
buttonhole flowers to many attendees.  The flowers were simple and
fairly flat (not the buttonhole flower diagrammed in her book PAPER
CREATIONS).
        I am in search of the diagrams for this model as I want to make some
flowers with my students for May Day gifts.  Any help in locating these
diagrams would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks very much.
Amy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:39:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Flower Folds, more; Temari newsletter

Kenny,

Here's an article about Jodi Fukumoto that was posted to the list
earlier this month.

http://starbulletin.com/1999/04/09/features/story1.html

Dorothy





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:36:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Buttonhole Flowers

At 05:49 PM 4/25/99 +0100, you wrote:
>At last year's OUSA Convention, Gay Merrill Gross was passing out
>buttonhole flowers to many attendees.  The flowers were simple and
>fairly flat (not the buttonhole flower diagrammed in her book PAPER
>CREATIONS).
>        I am in search of the diagrams for this model as I want to make some
>flowers with my students for May Day gifts.  Any help in locating these
>diagrams would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks very much.
>Amy
>
>
Amy:
Try Gay's Art of Origami or her ORIGAMI books for the other flower if you can
get a hold of them.  There are small flowers in there that might be what you're
looking for.
Ria





From: Jerome RAULIN <Jerome.Raulin@SOCGEN.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:16:49 +0200
Subject: Going to Montreal

I'm going to Montreal next week. Is there any good place to find origami book
     in Montreal ?

        Jerome Raulin





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:10:41 -0700
Subject: Re: origami interview.

At 15:06 99/04/24 -0500, you wrote:
>It seems procrastination is going well in our country's high
>schools.

>> Bruno wrote:
>>As required, we
>> also have to interview an expert on the topic, and I could not think of
>> anyone better than you.

And insincere flattery, too. I got the same message, with the same glowing
piece of butt-kissing.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:16:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Yoshizawa titles

At 14:33 99/04/24 +0100, you wrote:
>We have three books which we would appreciate help with the titles. They
>are:
>
>a hardback book with a gorilla one the front (???back???)

Hardback? Is it green, perhaps? If so, it might be "Origami Museum 1: Animals".

>Another hardback with a frog, a drogonfly and some constellations on it

I think that one is "Sousaku Origami" (Creative Origami). My copy is at
home, son I can't check it immediately.

>a big softback book in brown with the author showing how to back paper
>etc.

"Inochi Yutaka na Origami" (Lively Origami or sometimes called Origami
Masterworks).

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:47:55 -0400
Subject: origami sighting

In the foreword of "The Meme Machine" by Susan Blackwell, Richard
Dawkins (author of "The Selfish Gene") uses origami in an example of
how information can spread from person to person, in a reliable way.
This is supposed to show how 'memes', or culture, can spread in the
same way genetically inherited traits can spread through a population.

Dawkins says that transmission of a product, as through the game of
telephone, doesn't spread information accurately. Passing on instructions
on how to make a product, as in making the fortune teller, gets passed
accurately even if individuals don't make accurate fortune tellers.

Rona





From: Gerard Blais <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:16:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Going to Montreal

Check the list on our web site at

    http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/8802/ressources.html

In general, you won't find too many books in stores.  "Chapters" on
Ste-Catherine street
has a few titles and "Au Papier Japonais" on Fairmount also.  If you're
going to visit only
a few stores, I recommend au Papier Japonais, they have some books, tons of
very nice
paper and the owners are very friendly.

Grard

> Date:    Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:16:49 +0200
> From:    Jerome RAULIN <Jerome.Raulin@SOCGEN.COM>
> Subject: Going to Montreal
>
> I'm going to Montreal next week. Is there any good place to find origami
book in Montreal ?
>
>        Jerome Raulin





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:35:03 -0700
Subject:

I was searching the San Francisco Chronicle archives for an origami related
item and came across this recent article about a crane mobile made for a
young paperfolder who died earlier this year in Berkeley:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/03/20
/MN93407.DTL

I found it a moving story and thought perhaps others on the list might like
to read it.

ciao.

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:51:19 -0700
Subject: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

In response to the tragic murders at Columbine High School, Rachel Katz
and I are working with Dee Lynch, who lives in Littleton, Colorado and
coordinates Fellowship of Origami Lovers-Denver, to present the students
of Columbine High School with one thousand cranes when they return to
school in the fall.

Dee has suggested that we fold the cranes in blue and silver, the
school's colors, and that folders write their names and cities and
states on the cranes so that the Columbine students know that the cranes
have come from all over the country - if not the world.

I'd appreciate if you would pass along this information to your folding
friends and origami groups.

Thanks!
Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:21:03 -0700
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

Hi Larry,

Thanks for your interest and support. We've just begun working out the
details and logistics of this project but I will try to get an address
to post to the list.

Dorothy





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:19:57 -0700
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

At 05:21 PM 4/26/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Larry,
>
>Thanks for your interest and support. We've just begun working out the
>details and logistics of this project but I will try to get an address
>to post to the list.
>
>Dorothy
>
>
Great idea Dorothy and my club and I will gladly support your efforts.
ria





From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:58:42 -0400 (
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

In a message dated 4/26/1999 7:54:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET writes:

> In response to the tragic murders at Columbine High School, Rachel Katz
>  and I are working with Dee Lynch, who lives in Littleton, Colorado and
>  coordinates Fellowship of Origami Lovers-Denver, to present the students
>  of Columbine High School with one thousand cranes when they return to
>  school in the fall.
>
>  Dee has suggested that we fold the cranes in blue and silver, the
>  school's colors, and that folders write their names and cities and
>  states on the cranes so that the Columbine students know that the cranes
>  have come from all over the country - if not the world.
>
>  I'd appreciate if you would pass along this information to your folding
>  friends and origami groups.
>
>  Thanks!
>  Dorothy
>

Thanks, Dorothy. Do you have an address to send them?

Larry





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:02:23 -0700
Subject: Re: 1 year sober

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST YEAR!!!!!!!!  What a wonderful accomplishment.
So much behind you & so much ahead to look forward to!!!!!

My husband is a recovering alcoholic (12 years sober) as are many of our
friends.  While I do not have any folding/recovery stories for you I know
that having something positive to look forward to and people to whom you can
relate is a big part of recovery.

You may look forward to cranes in the mail from me!!!!!

One day at a time
MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson
(a fellow NYer)
madawson@sprynet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 7:30 AM
Subject: 1 year sober

>Hi! Many of you may know me as the author of the article which
>appeared in both BOS and OUSA's journals about my experience of
>folding in jail.
>I have struggled with my addictions for the past 36 years and have
>finally been able to stay clean and sober for one year.[May 15th]
>I can truly say that would not have been possible without the help of
>my fellow folders.
>My involvement on Origami Kingston and other events that I have taken
>place in in my area have always been a great source of relaxation and
>reflection.these experiences have done much to help me maintain my
>sobriety.
>I started a 1000 crane project to help me with the future of my
>sobriety and have been unable to fold due to severe Tendinitis.
>I relayed the story to a friend who knows of our list and they told me
>to "ask for help" the same way I have in fighting my addiction. So
>that's what I am doing.
>Anyone who would like to send cranes to help me in my recovery from
>alcohol and drugs your help would be appreciated.
>          Sincerely,
>                   Michael E. Kanarek
>                    17 Clinton Ave.
>                    Kingston, New York, 12401
>ps. If anyone has stories about folding in Recovery I would love to
>hear them.
>
>_______________________________________________________________
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:02:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Nun

Hi Carole,

The Flying Nun is from Stephen Weiss' "Wings and Things", ISBN
312-88228-9.

Dorothy





From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:15:32 -0500
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

A minor issue...silver is easy, what color blue? light, medium, navy?

Carole





From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:22:21 -0500
Subject: Nun

I had, but lent out a diagram I loved to make for some friends.  It was
a nun.  It reminded me of the "flying nun" but was not cartoon-like.  I
once made it for a Japanese-American friend who said "Oh! how
untraditional!".  Anyway, does anyone know the source for a or the nun?

Carole
Raleigh





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:16:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Going to Montreal

At 08:16 AM 99-04-26 +0200, you wrote:
>I'm going to Montreal next week. Is there any good place to find origami
book in Montreal ?
>
>        Jerome Raulin
>
>

Try Chapters or Indigo which are right downtown and easy to get to.  They
have a pretty good selection at Papier japonais, on Fairmont just a stone's
throw from St Laurent.  These are your best bets, but I must warn you the
selection varies, esp at Chapters.  Sometimes I find several interesting
books, sometimes they've got nothing but the stuff that's produced for
kids.  I've heard good things about Indigo which is the new kid in town,
but I have not been there myself.

                                CAthy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Mike Green <screwed@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:20:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

Royal Blue, Medium Blue.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

>A minor issue...silver is easy, what color blue? light, medium, navy?
>
>Carole





From: Martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:35:30 -0700
Subject: Octagonal petal box

This is a variation of Kunio Ekiguchi's 12 sided Chrysanthemum Box seen
in Kodansha's Book of Boxes.
It is now up on our website at -- http://www.papershops.com/petalbox.htm

You also might like to check out  -- http://www.papershops.com/  --- for
an extremely simple set of folding cards and envelopes.

We also have a bunch (almost 500) of downloadable images there which are
free and which can be downloaded to make your own four panel greeting
cards

And we also have 80 free downloadable full page geometric color images
that you can print out on any paper with an ink jet printer to make your
own decorative paper for folding or whatever.

--
Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574 Fax: 805-965-2414

WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<or>>
http://www.modelshops.com <<or>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Pedro Luis Lozano <plozano@ICX.FUJITSU.ES>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:32:00 +0200
Subject: Hello from Spain

    Hello everybody. I'm new at the list. I start to fold a few weeks ago and
     want to know a
little more about origami. I don't speak english good but I will try to expose
     my questions
here.

    - Anybody in the list from spain?
    - Where can I buy books on origami here in Spain?
    - What are the best books on origami?

Thanks for the answers.





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:24:33 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Saving old books

Martin, Did you ever look over my material that I sent you for posting on
your website and have you put anything on your website for me...I havent had
a chance to check it out because I have been so very busy and I didn't hear
further from you..
I saw a new box on Aleenes April 19th show.  Was that yours...The reason I
was was watching was that my spot was supposed to be on again that day...They
announced a paperfolding project and I thought that was going to be me but it
turned out to be this box project.  I called and they told me that my spot
was going to be postponed to April 30th.  I think that  what happened was
that they made a mistake. Let me hear from you.....Dorigami





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:35:55 -0700
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

At 09:15 PM 4/26/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>A minor issue...silver is easy, what color blue? light, medium, navy?
>
>Carole
>
According to Columbine High's website:

http://204.98.1.2/profiles/high/columbine.html

it's navy blue.

Dorothy, I also suggest a paper size be specified. Maybe 6"?

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: Diana Neuman <dmn@ENGARDE.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:49:18 -0600
Subject: Hydralisk Model

Hello,

I have been doing origami for 18 years and I have finally created my
first model!

I have finished the diagrams for it but since this is my first diagramming
experience I think I could use some help cleaning it up. Step 5 is
particularly troublesome as the step seems hard to do from the diagrams.
If people could give me some feedback that would be great!
The diagrams are in GIF format at:
        http://www.engarde.com/~dmn/diana/models/hydralisk.html

Thanks in advance!

Diana Neuman
dmn@EnGarde.com





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:13:48 +0200
Subject: Some models of spanish authors with diagrams

Found here:

http://www.publynet.com/aep/desarrollos.htm





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:09:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Hydralisk Model

At 10:49 99/04/27 -0600, you wrote:
>I have been doing origami for 18 years and I have finally created my
>first model!
>
>I have finished the diagrams for it but since this is my first diagramming
>experience I think I could use some help cleaning it up. Step 5 is
>particularly troublesome as the step seems hard to do from the diagrams.
>If people could give me some feedback that would be great!
>The diagrams are in GIF format at:
>        http://www.engarde.com/~dmn/diana/models/hydralisk.html

Congratulations on your new model, and also on getting married!
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From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:47:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello from Spain

>>From: Pedro Luis Lozano <plozano@ICX.FUJITSU.ES>
>>Subject:      Hello from Spain
>>
>>    Hello everybody. I'm new at the list. I start to fold a few weeks =
>>ago and want to know a=20
>>little more about origami. I don't speak english good but I will try to =
>>expose my questions=20

>>    - Where can I buy books on origami here in Spain?
In Madrid, Libreria Aranda is specialized in Papiroflexia (origami
for Spanish-speaking people) and Terrier dogs (go figure...). It's a
small but cozy bookstore near Plaza Cuzco and the Real Madrid stadium.
Check the several Spanish paperfolding associations like Grupo Zaragoza.
>>    - What are the best books on origami?
Your question is similar to "what's the best wine" or "who's best,
Beatles or Stones". There are many styles (technical, pureland,
modular, ...) of origami, and many more themes (animals, furniture,
abstract, tesselations, flowers, boxes, masks...) to choose.
A book may have the most complex or realistic models, other
may have more elegant creations, other the cutting-edge techniques,
another the easiest-to-understand diagrams. Origami styles, techniques,
themes, diagramming styles and authors are as varied as in any
art form as music or painting. You just can't compare Magritte and
Vermeer, so please tells us more about your personal preferences,
otherwise any hints could instead mislead you.
For a good overview of origami "ways" I'd suggest The New Origami,
Steve & Megumi Biddle, St. Martin's Press. Perfect diagrams, wonderful
variety, and the right price. Get a book like that, see what attracts you
best, then you can find better suggestions to better explore origami.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Mike Green <screwed@TIAC.NET>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:47:35 -0400
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

The ribbons I see people wearing are no way navy in color.
Definitely royal???
But I also say the school website with navy listed.
Navy I would think is to dark..

just my 2 cents..

-Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Littleton Students

>At 09:15 PM 4/26/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>>A minor issue...silver is easy, what color blue? light, medium, navy?
>>
>>Carole
>>
>According to Columbine High's website:
>
>http://204.98.1.2/profiles/high/columbine.html
>
>it's navy blue.
>
>Dorothy, I also suggest a paper size be specified. Maybe 6"?
>
>
>
>John Marcolina
>San Jose, CA.
>jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:29:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Nun

>I had, but lent out a diagram I loved to make for some friends.  It was
>a nun.  It reminded me of the "flying nun" but was not cartoon-like.  I
>once made it for a Japanese-American friend who said "Oh! how
>untraditional!".  Anyway, does anyone know the source for a or the nun?
>
>Carole
>Raleigh

There is an attractive nun in my Modern Origami.  James M. Sakoda
