




From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:10:00 -0400
Subject: Origami Politics II

Allan,

I was hurt and upset when I recieved your letter. When I was on the Board
we tried to enclude all members in our discussion. Implicited in your
letter is that if you are outside of the NY metroploitan area - OUSA
doesn't care about you. That could be farther from the truth. Any policy
discussion was always prefaced by what would this mean to our members - all
of our members. We also had to consider what would any action mean as a
precident. Some actions would lead to the proverbial slippery slope.

I do not find open elections devisive. I find the threat of a lawsuit
devisive.

As to why there is no dicussion, I can only picture a police office reading
you your Miranda rights and then asking why you won't talk to him, i.e.
anything you say can and will be held against you. I am going to sue
unless you do things my way is a similar legal challange. It is not a good
open gambit for a discussion unless you want to raise some hell. In some
cases,
legal challenges are the only way to effect change, I do not believe that
this is the case. I think that the Annual General Meeting is the place to
do it. I expect this years meeting to be bloody and since dinner is
generally schedualled afterwards - I am expecting to get to dinner late if
at all. I do not like attend meetings, but I will be sure to be at this
one. The board is broadening it views and people with regional group
experiance will help. I do not think that the threat of a law suit is going
to help.

The board is expanding its horizons. When I first joined the board, in
1990, there were no non-metropolitian NY board members. There are now three
 - 1 from California and 2 from Massachuttes. I will support expanding more
non-NY area board members but not at the threat of a law suit this year. As
Steve Buck told me that the only people who benefit from a law suit are the
lawyers. I think that there is time, to put the process of change into
force for next year.

I would like to see the expansion of the board to evolve and be phased in
over several years. For the most part, I think that things are running
smoothly. Since much of the work is done at the museum, some of the board
should be based there. Too radical of a shift, too quickly could cause
serious disruption.

I view the work of the museum volunteer as the backbone of the
organisation. You do not strip away the backbone and expect to have the
organization stand.

The ideas about the organizational structure that you expressed to me in
January, I found alarming. I have seen no mention of them in your
subsequent writing, but I believe that they are still in the background.
When I found out that your letter, which raises important issues for All
members, was only sent to members outside of NY, NJ and CT, I felt that you
were stacking the deck. If you want OUSA to be fair to all members, you
should be too.

There has been much discussion on the list of there being no NY group.
There are origami groups that meet in the NY area that are not list - that
is their choice. I suspect that there are other non-listed groups around
the country. I have heard Larry Davis (who lives 30-45 minutes north of the
museum and is retired) say that he can attend 9 origami meetings a month.
This ranges from West Chester north of the City to Long Island, NJ and NYC.
I have heard about a group that in Brooklyn but I don't know if it is still
active. Lillian Oppenheimer had a group that met regularly since the
sixties, it is still meeting. The last time that I attended was at
Lillian's appartment and one of the members brought her daughter who had
just retired. So origami is alive and well in NYC outside of OSUA.

I checked with Carol Ann Wilkes last night. In the beginning of Special
Sessions, she and another member produced "I'm Sorry Kits." The production
was labor intensive, not many people ordered them (those who did were very
pleased) and were dropped as not being effective use of time and resources.
Part the work in producing the kits was getting copyright permission for
the models taught if not getting them diagramed. Since many of the models
taught at the higher levels are unpublished, this takes a while. The kits
also included the paper that was utilized. For modulars and non-square
models, this took lots of manpower. The new rolling blade paper cutters are
more accurate and would improve the time on this job.

In my quick review of the list, the few days before I joined - I think
that it was your comment that some people will ask a Board member a
question at the convention and get snapped at that is because they are
overwhelmed with work. It has happened to me. I've been snapped at by all
of them Michael, Jan, Jean.... Fortuately for me, I have the history so
that I can shrug it off - their overwhelmed with work, tired and cranky -
it is nothing personal. Some of the resentment that I have heard (from
several sources) directed to NY, stems from similar incidents of not being
"customer focused." I don't know how to correct an organization from human
nature.

My Vision for the Future:

I have attend many regional group origami meetings around the country. I
have schedual vacations and business trips to enable me to attend those
meetings. While I was on the board the first formal policy of
Regional/Affiliate groups was formulated. Coming from a Science Fiction
Fandom background, it was my vision that these groups would grow to the
point that they would be putting on their own regional conventions. In SF
Fandon, it is possible to attend a convention almost any weekend if you
have the time and money. I pictured that occurring in Origami. We have not
seen several regional conventions 3 Southeast, 1 Peacock and soon ORCA.
There are mini-conventions held in Vermont by BOG, Long Island by LIFE and
in NJ by Dottie Kaplan. I am sure that there are more. This is my vision as
to where the origami world should be moving.

I would like to see the newsletter be expanded to six times a year. Even a
paid editor can only do so much when the volunteer writers delay in their
submissions. That will entail more expense and labor. This benefit will
have to be compared with cost to members. Some family would consider a
price increase a hardship. Do we have the committment from the members to
make the deadlines for their articles. More diagrams would put a strain on
volunteers. I found that a page of diagrams took me about three hours. Some
of this can be farmed out.

I think that it is important to continue with the Origami by Children
exhibition. I have heard many families talk about how pleased they were to
have thier models displayed in NYC. This exhibition also travels to various
schools and libraries which increases OUSA visibility and respect for
Origami in that it shows the world that Origami is not just cranes and
such.

Any new projects taken on by the OUSA means that we have to have additional
resources - in labor, supplies and expenses. That means new labor and
resources or eliminating on going projects. New York is stretched pretty
much to the limit on what can be done. Anything more or new will have to be
spread around. That will have to come from integration and evolution - not
a law suit.

What is your vision?

I have just over extended my lunch hour so I will be working later tonight
than planned. Sorry for any typos, I don't have time to let it rest. I felt
it was important to answer your letter today. I took stuff home to do but
work and the call from the account took precident on the 15th.

Mark





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:22:08 -0700 (
Subject: please help

Dear list members, is there anyone living in the Boston eara who can
suggect some stores where they sell Origami books?  I am going to
Bostn this coming Monday and I hope to find some origami books.  So
if you can give me any suggestions and maybe even the directions
about how I can get to the stores from Mass Pike that will be great!
Thank you!

Wing

_______________________________________________________________
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From: Theodore Andrew Brown III <screwed@TIAC.NET>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:55:55 -0400
Subject: Re: please help

North of Boston
Peabody Mass.
Borders Books
Rt 128
exit on to Rt 114
Exit # 25, I think.
It is right off the highway! you will see it at the bottom of the exit.

unusually LARGE SELECTION!

- Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 6:23 PM
Subject: please help

>Dear list members, is there anyone living in the Boston eara who can
>suggect some stores where they sell Origami books?  I am going to
>Bostn this coming Monday and I hope to find some origami books.  So
>if you can give me any suggestions and maybe even the directions
>about how I can get to the stores from Mass Pike that will be great!
>Thank you!
>
>Wing
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: Michael and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:48:35 -0400
Subject: Re: please help

Check my origami sources page:

http://www.concentric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj
----- Original Message -----
From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 1999 6:22 PM
Subject: please help

> Dear list members, is there anyone living in the Boston eara who can
> suggect some stores where they sell Origami books?  I am going to
> Bostn this coming Monday and I hope to find some origami books.  So
> if you can give me any suggestions and maybe even the directions
> about how I can get to the stores from Mass Pike that will be great!
> Thank you!
>
> Wing
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: Leeh McArthur <Lamms@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:26:45 -0400 (
Subject: Whale Fluke?

Hi

I'm verrrrrry new to list and already I'm asking questions. I'm looking for a
model or directions for a whale fluke. I have to imagine that someone has
come up with this somewhere. Thank you kindly in advance.

Leeh McArthur
lamms@aol.com





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:57:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Magic Tricks

 Patty and Corey:
> >Does anyone have other ideas of magical things to do with
> paper-origami- that
> >would be good for group viewing?  Thanks,

I allways like doing the captains shirt, it always seems to
tickle everybody.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:23:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Politics II

Mark,

You are repeating yourself.  You have already sent that message to
everyone.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:44:38 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Let's change the subject to paper airplanes

Okay, guys, let's change the subject and get on the lighter than air side..
Talking Origami is more fun than politics....agreed? In March,99 issue of
Family Fun on the last page which I almost missed there is a paper airplane
diagrammed. This plane set world records.  It is by Ken Blackburn.  The plane
really flies great.  It is from a rectangle and after the first two folds,
the top of the page is folded over in 3/4" folds seven times.  The front is
properly weighted and it really flies terrifically.
Very interesting article with very interesting facts and figures included.
This will a great addition to my father and son paper airplane class that I
teach.  If anyone wants to know more try and get the magazine.  Ken held the
world record for time aloft  from 1983 till l996.  Anyone know anymore about
him........Dorigami





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@WORLD.STD.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:18:25 -0400
Subject: Re: please help

>Dear list members, is there anyone living in the Boston eara who can
>suggect some stores where they sell Origami books?  I am going to
>Bostn this coming Monday and I hope to find some origami books.  So
>if you can give me any suggestions and maybe even the directions
>about how I can get to the stores from Mass Pike that will be great!
>Thank you!
>
>Wing
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

The Boston area has lots of great bookstore, but for Origami, you can't
beat Sasuga Books, a Japanese bookstore in Porter Square in Cambridge.
Check out
directions at:
http://www.sasugabooks.com/contact/directions.html?hence=faq.html

These directions are a bit scanty, in my opinion, since Cambridge can be
difficult to navigate.  Try to get a better map from Mapquest or a gas
station, and be prepared to ask directions to Porter Square from the
natives. Mass Ave does go "straight" through Harvard Square before you get
to Porter, but other roads peel off from it and you have to be careful not
to get diverted.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:06:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Politics 287648762386`

> A bunch of messages have been repeats on both ends!

if that is so then it has all been said already and there is no more to
be said.
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From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:23:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Politics II

>
> Mark,
>
> You are repeating yourself.  You have already sent that message to
> everyone.
>
> Allen Parry
> parry@eskimo.com
>
A bunch of messages have been repeats on both ends!

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:40:57 +0100
Subject: Re: Let's change the subject to paper airplanes

Here is his hompage:-

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1817/

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

> ----------
> From:         DORIGAMI@AOL.COM[SMTP:DORIGAMI@AOL.COM]
> Reply To:     Origami List
> Sent:         18 April 1999 15:44
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: Let's change the subject to paper airplanes
>
> Okay, guys, let's change the subject and get on the lighter than air
> side..
> Talking Origami is more fun than politics....agreed? In March,99 issue of
> Family Fun on the last page which I almost missed there is a paper
> airplane
> diagrammed. This plane set world records.  It is by Ken Blackburn.  The
> plane
> really flies great.  It is from a rectangle and after the first two folds,
> the top of the page is folded over in 3/4" folds seven times.  The front
> is
> properly weighted and it really flies terrifically.
> Very interesting article with very interesting facts and figures included.
> This will a great addition to my father and son paper airplane class that
> I
> teach.  If anyone wants to know more try and get the magazine.  Ken held
> the
> world record for time aloft  from 1983 till l996.  Anyone know anymore
> about
> him........Dorigami





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:19:58 -0700
Subject: Re: a question

At 06:48 PM 4/16/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Oh! thanks Ria, I think that I will not be able to buy on then.  Do
>you know how I can subscribe to the group or how I can buy the book?
>I am very interested to sdee what kind of a book it is.  Is it in
>Japanese?  Thanks!
>
>Wing
>
>>From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
>>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>Subject: Re: a question
>>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:05:48 -0700
>>
>>At 01:27 PM 4/15/99 PDT, you wrote:
>>>I was reading the mail from the mailing list and read about a
>>>something something conventional boook, can anyone please explain to
>>>me what it is?  Is there any diagrams in it? Thank you!
>>>Wing
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________________________
>>>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>>>
>>>
>>Wing:
>>Every year the origami group in Japan publishes a book of original
>>diagrams by origami enthusiasts ( I am assuming ) like the book sold
>>to members of the Origami USA.  I have a special one dedicated to one
>>of the founders of OUSA last year.
>>Ria
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
>
Wing,
You can go to Kim's Crane's web page or to Kinokunia'a page and
try to buy the book from there because I think it's in Japanese.
Ria





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:23:03 -0700
Subject: Re: please help

At 03:22 PM 4/17/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Dear list members, is there anyone living in the Boston eara who can
>suggect some stores where they sell Origami books?  I am going to
>Bostn this coming Monday and I hope to find some origami books.  So
>if you can give me any suggestions and maybe even the directions
>about how I can get to the stores from Mass Pike that will be great!
>Thank you!
>
>Wing
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
>
Wing,
Go to the Boston Museum of Fine Art or take a trip to Origamido-
Michael La Fosse's Origami Studio in Haverhill, MA.
Ria





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:06:24 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Yet another home page

In a message dated 4/18/99 2:59:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE writes:

<< And don't complain! I warned you. >>

Very nice gallery.  Thanks for sharing.

Russell Sutherland

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!





From: "Jonathan J. Picker" <Verdigris@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:36:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Alien Grey model photos

A few days ago somebody posted a link to photos of the alien grey origami
model.  Head hung in shame, I humbly request to whoever posted that link
that they email it to me privately as I inadvertently deleted it.  Thanks!

********************************************************
Jonathan J. Picker
Verdigris@earthlink.net

". . . And miles to go before I sleep . . ." --Robert Frost,
from his poem, "Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening".





From: Terry Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:00:07 -0400
Subject: Moving Origami

On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM> said: (snip)
>I am very eager to learn how to make the objects of origami that can
>move, because I have been doing only the origami units.

I hesitated to answer this right away because I thought this question
would result in a flurry of responses.

Two of my favorite books dedicated to origami that moves are "Origami in
Action," by Robert Lang, ISBN 0-312-15618-9, published in 1997, and
"Moving Origami," by the incomparable Tomoko Fuse, ISBN 4-416-39210-9,
published in 1992.  Lang's book runs the gamut from traditional and
simple to simply amazing and complex, such as his snapping Tyrannosaurus
rex head and strumming musicians, Jeremy Shafer's flasher, and Jeff
Benyon's spring.  This book has been previously analyzed in this list,
so search the archives from 1997 and 1998. I've seen it in larger
bookstores like Borders and Barnes & Noble, and I'm sure the usual
origami book suppliers have it.  It's a steal at US $15.95!

I couldn't find any references to Fuse's book in the archives, so I'll
give a stab at it.  This is an unusual book for her, as it doesn't
contain modular pieces.  Rather, it has fun, imaginative models, simple
to intermediate designed by herself and others.  There are clapping
hands, kissing birds, whirling ornaments and beads, an embracing couple,
and even two versions of the working whistle taught by Vicente Palacios
at the 1997 OUSA convention (one by Angel Ecija Blanco and the other by
Masatsugu Tsutsumi).  Also, there is a model of a symbol-clanging monkey
that reminds me of the opening act of Andrew Lloyd Weber's Phantom of
the Opera. My favorite model of the book, though, is a low intermediate
elephant -- hold the front feet and pull under the tail and the
elephant's trunk rises! There are 25 models.  Sadly for those of us who
cannot read the language, it is in Japanese, but Fuse's books always
have very clear diagrams. Perhaps someone on the list who has a copy and
can translate would list the models. I was introduced to this book at
last year's SEOF convention in Charlotte, NC, and determined to get a
copy of my own.  It's not easily found, but I found that Sasuga carries
the book for US $18.65.

Of course, there are lots of books with action models, but these are the
only two I know of which are dedicated to the genre.

Cheers,
Terry Rioux





From: Cosette * <sbbaker@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:18:30 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Origami Politics II

This is the first e-amil out of this discussion that I have read that
makes a lot of sense and I totally agree.  I can see that you are
looking for the good in the organization and you want to help it get
rid of the bad.  I think a lot of people hear the word "legal"
and "lawyers" and automatically think someone is suing someone else,
or someone is mad at someone, or someone wants revenge or payback.
But this is not the case.  It just means that they are really seeking
for answers to the questions, and they are trying to do it in a
professional way.  It would be very unorganized if they didn't do it
this way.  Doing it in a legal environment helps make things clear
and doesn't confuse things.  Often if these measures aren't taken, an
organization can get very confusing and people can misunderstand.

I don't know if I'm making any sense, but I just want to commend
Allen Parry.  Even though in the past I was rather frustrated at his
point of view, this e-mail has led me to a lot more understanding of
the whole situation.

Sarah Beth (aka Cosette)
sbbaker@hotmail.com
On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Kennedy, Mark wrote:

> I do not find open elections devisive. I find the threat of a
lawsuit
> devisive.

Where in the world is this talk of lawsuits coming from???  I OUSA
planning on suinng us for asking to run for the board?  What's with
this?

Mark, we realize you have jumped into the middle of this discussion
and we
are unable to bring you up to speed on this list.  If you go to Joseph
Wu's webpage and do a search on "OUSA" after April 4th, you'll get
all the
discussions covered thus far on the list.  I think if you read them,
you'll find that "devisive" does not apply to us.

-- We have complimented the OrigamiUSA board on their hard work and
efforts, which we really do appreciate.  We have not made a single
negative comment toward ANY individual.

-- We have reached out to them ... asking them to discuss these issues
with their constituency, and their formal reply has been, "Our lawyers
have advised us not to talk".  The board has dug in their heels and
are
not willing to answer our questions.

We are doing everything we can think of to bring resolution to these
issues, to bring peace, but it is really difficult with an
unresponsive
board.  Do you have any suggestions?  We're listening.

We need to build pathways to peace.... to resolution.

> As to why there is no dicussion, I can only picture a police office
reading
> you your Miranda rights and then asking why you won't talk to him,
i.e.
> anything you say can and will be held against you. I am going to sue
> unless you do things my way is a similar legal challange.

Where are you guys picking up these paranoias?  It's sounding like the
Story of Chicken Little, "The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!"

We have been asking over and over.... "From what basis does OrigamiUSA
decline our nominations?"  We asked Jorge Batista; the OUSA
attorney....no
reply.  We asked Jean Baden-Gillette, the president of OUSA.....no
reply.

We gave a copy of the bylaws to an attorney and asked him this
question.
He found no provisions in the bylaws that allow them to be able to
restict
ANY member from running for the board. We were told our attorney was
not
from New York and perhaps New York law was different.  So, we hired
the
best.  A New York attorney who is expert in New York non-profit law.
He
told us the same thing... although his investigation is still on
going,
trying to discover their basis for this action.

Do we not have a right to have the answer to this question?  Does not
be
satisfied with "because" for an answer wrong?

I hardly think this innvestigation constitutes a lawsuit.  Heck, why
don't
they just tell us why?

> I think that the Annual General Meeting is the place to do it. I
expect
> this years meeting to be bloody and since dinner is generally
> schedualled afterwards - I am expecting to get to dinner late if at
all.

Mark.... what's the point of having a bloody meeting?  I hope you're
planing on leaving your battle axe at home.  I'd rather discussions
be civil and productive.  I am not sure if I want to be a part of a
meeting that is already anticipated to be verbally abusive.  I am
getting
a little gun-shy of it lately.

There needs be open discussion. Not everyone can fly to New York and
I am
sure you can expect a dominance of New York members attending that
meeting.  Why condense the discussion into a two to three hour
meeting???  There are so many people with questions to ask.

Our board should be in dialog with their constituency through every
madium
available.... whether it be by mail, the Annual Meeting, or on the
internet.

-------------------------------
This fear a legal suit is nonsense...poppycock.  A really BAD excuse.
What do they have to be afraid of?  Did they do something wrong?
Heck, if
they didn't, they should have to hide.  They need to come out of
hiding
and talk with their people!
-------------------------------

> Steve Buck told me that the only people who benefit from a law suit
are the
> lawyers.

Was Steve quoting me at that time.  I think you will find I also
mentioned
something like that on the list.

> When I found out that your letter, which raises important issues
for All
> members, was only sent to members outside of NY, NJ and CT, I felt
that you
> were stacking the deck. If you want OUSA to be fair to all members,
you
> should be too.

Criticism taken and we will take your advise into account in the
future.
Our next letter will go out to all of U.S. and Canada.  You must
realize
that the cost of these mailings are coming out of the pockets of
individuals and they are not inexpensive.  We did the best with what
money
we had.

Our goal was to launch a response...a response that we hoped would
open
discussions.  It's sad that the OUSA board has opted not to be in
dialog.
The topics raised in our initial letter were issues we were hearing
from
all across the country....and repeated here on the list as concerns
of the
membership.

> What is your vision?

I have a vision of a representative board of directors who listen to
their
constituency.  Not a working board (as Tom Hull said) where they
are "too
over worked" to sit down and entertain other's ideas.  I assure you, I
don't have all the answers (and no one does)....but within all of us
across the country there are a lot of resourses, manpower and a lot of
good ideas.  I don't feel it's any one persons place to define
OrigamiUSA
but the role of the owners; the members, all across the country.

I invision the "entire" membership ignited to participate in the
national
organization....with a feeling of ownership of OrigamiUSA...not
rejected
to only an observer's role.  There is something about participation
that
brings ownership to the individual.

I have a vision for equity, whether a person lives in Lobo Texas or
New
York City.  A board without regional bias, but operates with the best
interest of the whole country in mind.

I'm sorry...I don't share a fatalistic attitude... I'd rather hold on
to
an optimistic one.  I think Origami is loved and enjoyed by many
people...many outside the New York area.  The foundation of our house
goes
deep....in
Michigam...Pennsylvania...Maryland...Minnesota....Arizona...in
California....and many other areas.  With many, many people committed
to
seeing that origami will continue on.

No, the house is not going to collapse as the doomsday sayers are
wanting
you to believe.  There is strength in numbers and SO many of our
numbers
have not yet been enabled.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com

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From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:34:08 -0400
Subject: Help (FW: Rose)

I got attached mail from a private e-mail. Maybe someone can help. My first
guess is Dorigami's $ bill rose. But I could be wrong. Private mail to her
or to the list are welcome.

Thanks.
Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: icebear <icebear@gci.net>
To: chens@asme.org <chens@asme.org>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 3:01 PM
Subject: Rose

>I am looking for a folded money rose pattern which looks like a real
>rose instead of flat folds like origami.  This pattern was probably
>published about 10 to 15 years ago in the ad sections of women's
>magazines.  It makes a beautiful bouquet for a bride.  I have looked in
>many origami books, but none have the curved petals this has, not the
>flat folds angular folds.
>
>I would really like to find this pattern as I want to give the bouquet
>to my daughter for graudation.
>
>Please contact me at schatz@micronet.net instead of the e-mail address
>at the top of this note.
>
>Thanks
>
>Shari Nevitt





From: rikki donachie <rikki@EDNET.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:54:01 +0100
Subject: Re; Smoke

This is how I 'fold' smoke;

Make an attractive candle holder according to taste, insert candle,
light and wait..........

Rikki





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:28:51 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Moving Origami

Dear Terry! thank you very much for explaining for me the books and
the kind of objects I will find in them.  I am planing on going to
the Sasuga tomorrow.  Hopefully my mother will be able to bring me
because she is afraid that the routes will be closed due to the
Boston Marathon tomorrow.  I will try to find the books because them
seem to be great deals!  I bought 2 origami books and they each
costed about $20 but they are not diagrams of action origami.  I
cannot read Japanese but I can read Chinese, they are not the same
but my sister is taking Japanese in school so I think she can help.
Thank you for your help again and I wil linform you about the books
once I get them!

Wing (Tiffany Tam)

>From: Terry Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Moving Origami
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:00:07 -0400
>
>On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM> said:
(snip)
>>I am very eager to learn how to make the objects of origami that can
>>move, because I have been doing only the origami units.
>
>I hesitated to answer this right away because I thought this question
>would result in a flurry of responses.
>
>Two of my favorite books dedicated to origami that moves are
"Origami in
>Action," by Robert Lang, ISBN 0-312-15618-9, published in 1997, and
>"Moving Origami," by the incomparable Tomoko Fuse, ISBN 4-416-39210-
9,
>published in 1992.  Lang's book runs the gamut from traditional and
>simple to simply amazing and complex, such as his snapping
Tyrannosaurus
>rex head and strumming musicians, Jeremy Shafer's flasher, and Jeff
>Benyon's spring.  This book has been previously analyzed in this
list,
>so search the archives from 1997 and 1998. I've seen it in larger
>bookstores like Borders and Barnes & Noble, and I'm sure the usual
>origami book suppliers have it.  It's a steal at US $15.95!
>
>I couldn't find any references to Fuse's book in the archives, so
I'll
>give a stab at it.  This is an unusual book for her, as it doesn't
>contain modular pieces.  Rather, it has fun, imaginative models,
simple
>to intermediate designed by herself and others.  There are clapping
>hands, kissing birds, whirling ornaments and beads, an embracing
couple,
>and even two versions of the working whistle taught by Vicente
Palacios
>at the 1997 OUSA convention (one by Angel Ecija Blanco and the other
by
>Masatsugu Tsutsumi).  Also, there is a model of a symbol-clanging
monkey
>that reminds me of the opening act of Andrew Lloyd Weber's Phantom of
>the Opera. My favorite model of the book, though, is a low
intermediate
>elephant -- hold the front feet and pull under the tail and the
>elephant's trunk rises! There are 25 models.  Sadly for those of us
who
>cannot read the language, it is in Japanese, but Fuse's books always
>have very clear diagrams. Perhaps someone on the list who has a copy
and
>can translate would list the models. I was introduced to this book at
>last year's SEOF convention in Charlotte, NC, and determined to get a
>copy of my own.  It's not easily found, but I found that Sasuga
carries
>the book for US $18.65.
>
>Of course, there are lots of books with action models, but these are
the
>only two I know of which are dedicated to the genre.
>
>Cheers,
>Terry Rioux

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From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:34:30 -0700 (
Subject: Re: a question

Ria, thank you! I will go to their pages when I have time! thank you
again!
Wing
>>
>Wing,
>You can go to Kim's Crane's web page or to Kinokunia'a page and
>try to buy the book from there because I think it's in Japanese.
>Ria

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From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:36:35 -0700 (
Subject: Re: please help

THe Museum of Fine Arts have the information or books on Origami?  I
have been there once but I did not see ay, I think I will go there
during the summer! thank you!
Wing

>From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: please help
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:23:03 -0700
>
>At 03:22 PM 4/17/99 PDT, you wrote:
>>Dear list members, is there anyone living in the Boston eara who can
>>suggect some stores where they sell Origami books?  I am going to
>>Bostn this coming Monday and I hope to find some origami books.  So
>>if you can give me any suggestions and maybe even the directions
>>about how I can get to the stores from Mass Pike that will be great!
>>Thank you!
>>
>>Wing
>>
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>>
>Wing,
>Go to the Boston Museum of Fine Art or take a trip to Origamido-
>Michael La Fosse's Origami Studio in Haverhill, MA.
>Ria

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From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:56:26 +0200
Subject: Yet another home page

I never thought it'd come this far, but it now it has happened. I have
made a home page, and I've even uploaded it to my ISP so that you can
all come and visit it.

But is there a reason for you to visit it? Only if you're not interested
in folding yourself, but in looking at what other people have
folded. And if you're not interested in seeing new stuff, but are
content with looking at stuff you've already seen in your books,
newsletters etc. And if you have a reasonably fast net connection --
some of those graphics are rather big. And if you're not keen on new
diagrams, articles etc.; you won't find any. It's only a picture
gallery.

If these reasons cannot prevent you from trying it yourself, well, there
you are:

http://home.t-online.de/home/skirsch/

And don't complain! I warned you.

(Gee, you'd think I had better things to do than writing a home page,
now that I write my school-leaving exams in 1 1/2 weeks. But I can't
learn now anyway, so I might just as well do something productive. I
guess it's like in that Calvin&Hobbes cartoon: H: Did you write that
paper yet? C: No, I'm waiting for the right mood to write it. H: What
kind of mood is that? C: Last-minute-panic.)

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Daniela Carboni <s134259@STUDENTI.ING.UNIPI.IT>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:29:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Cloud (Re: Omnigami...)

>Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
>>I think clouds came up, too.

Peter wrote:
>In fact, I've made one. Even, it has an action mechanism! Not rain, but a
>lightning. This model is one of my favourites. It was published in a recent
>number of the "Quadrato Magico" (the magazine of C.D.O.) recently.
>
>Happy folding, Peter Budai

              ______________
            _/              \__
           /                   \
           |                    \
           \____________________/
                   /  /
                  /__/
                  \_\    <----- Lightning.
                   //
                   *

I saw it and I assure you it is very stormy. Flip! Csatt!

Daniela.

/\_/\    Daniela S. Carboni
 o o     email: s134259@studenti.ing.unipi.it
= # =    -Soon I will have a new web page-





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:42:30 +0100
Subject: Re: Yet another home page

Absolutely brilliant! You've got some lovely models there.
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

> ----------
> From:         Sebastian Marius Kirsch[SMTP:skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE]
> Reply To:     Origami List
> Sent:         18 April 1999 20:56
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Yet another home page
>
> I never thought it'd come this far, but it now it has happened. I have
> made a home page, and I've even uploaded it to my ISP so that you can
> all come and visit it.
>
> But is there a reason for you to visit it? Only if you're not interested
> in folding yourself, but in looking at what other people have
> folded. And if you're not interested in seeing new stuff, but are
> content with looking at stuff you've already seen in your books,
> newsletters etc. And if you have a reasonably fast net connection --
> some of those graphics are rather big. And if you're not keen on new
> diagrams, articles etc.; you won't find any. It's only a picture
> gallery.
>
> If these reasons cannot prevent you from trying it yourself, well, there
> you are:
>
> http://home.t-online.de/home/skirsch/
>
> And don't complain! I warned you.
>
> (Gee, you'd think I had better things to do than writing a home page,
> now that I write my school-leaving exams in 1 1/2 weeks. But I can't
> learn now anyway, so I might just as well do something productive. I
> guess it's like in that Calvin&Hobbes cartoon: H: Did you write that
> paper yet? C: No, I'm waiting for the right mood to write it. H: What
> kind of mood is that? C: Last-minute-panic.)
>
> --
> Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
>                         /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Dor Jeong <DJeong1066@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:20:06 -0400 (
Subject: Re: a question

RIA
DO U KNOW THE WEB ADDRESSES FOR KINOKUNIA AND KIM CRANE?
I HAVE TRIED AND WAS NOT ABLE TO ACCESS.
TKS
DOR





From: lnahbyrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 05:31:44 -0500
Subject: Re: a question

kimscrane.com

At 02:20 AM 4/19/99 -0400, you wrote:
>RIA
>DO U KNOW THE WEB ADDRESSES FOR KINOKUNIA AND KIM CRANE?
>I HAVE TRIED AND WAS NOT ABLE TO ACCESS.
>TKS
>DOR





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:45:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

At 20:55 99/04/16 -0400, you wrote:
>A friend saved the Business section of the Times for me, so I actually got to
>see the sharks; very nice.
>
>Do the people in charge realize they gave an inadvertent extra plug to a
>particluar brand of paper, Great White?

I think that brand name was what gave them the idea to do a shark.
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:48:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

At 11:23 99/04/17 +0000, you wrote:
>  Last night's (04/16) Millennium featured origami as part of the plot line.

I do wish they would've told me when the episode was airing. Now I'll have
to call the studio to get a copy of the tape. (Yes, that was another one of
my commercial efforts.)

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From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:43:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Magic Tricks

Patty
What about Robt. Neales "Magic Pocket" found in Gay M. Gross's Art of
Origami. This one he could even teach to his audience.!

Joyce





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:58:59 +1000
Subject: priceless preface (long)

Having just received a copy of "Origami" by Toyoaki Kawai, I thought I
would share the transaltor's opening comments:

"As a full-grown, red-blooded male I have numerous preconceptions about
things a man is supposed to do or not do. Men do not get hair permanents,
for example, or otherwise let anyone fool with their hair except to cut
it. Also, playing with paper dolls is for girls, and the closest a guy
approaches a paper doll is in the famous song where he buys "a paper doll
that other fellows will not steal (??)."

Today, hair permanents for men have become fashionable, especially in
Japan. I am so brainwashed, though, that I still cannot imagine myself
ever getting one......

I folded several of the animals and objects in this book in order to
explain the folding sequence better. My little girl laughed when I showed
her my creations, but I am not certain whether she enjoyed them and
laughed or whether she laughed because I folded them "funny". She did
laugh, though, and I am just biased enough to like things that make little
girls happy. I imagine little boys also laugh."

Thomas I. Elliott (1970)

ps my guess is that the little girl was just laughing at him. SO has
anyone ever designed an origami perm?

Regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:32:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami Politics 287648762386`

Marcus Hanson wrote:
> A bunch of messages have been repeats on both ends!
>>If that is so then it has all been said already and there is
>> no more to be said.

This quote might not have anything to do with the above, but...
Kudzu: Repetition will teach Polly to speak!
Polly: Repetition will drive Polly bonkers!

Matthias, not following the thread at all





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:06:00 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Aleenes Creative Living (Dorigami)

I told everyone that I would be on Aleenes Creative Living on April 19th on
TNN showing the Money Rose.....They changed the date to April 30 and didnt
tell me.......I am upset because it is kind of an infomercial and now will be
shown  only two weeks from Mothers Day.  Oh well, life is full of
disappointments..... If anyone wants to see the show it will on this new
date......Dorigami





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:47:10 +0100
Subject: Re: a question

Wing

> I was reading the mail from the mailing list and read about a
> something something conventional boook, can anyone please explain to
> me what it is?  Is there any diagrams in it? Thank you!
> Wing

Many origami societies collect together models from their members and
further afield, and then publish them. These books are then sold at the
origami conventions, many classic origami models have made their first
appearances in such convention books. In some cases models from the
books are taught at the conventions. The BOS has just published its
latest convention book (4.50 pounds - I wonder if it is showing yet on
the BOS website?). These books are my first purchase at each convention.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:57:01 -0500
Subject: Italian translation

I purchased the book "Origami in fiore" and I just love it.
But I wish I knew the names of these flowers. If it isn't
too much trouble, could someone translate the following
words for me? Thank you in advance for your help.

Bella Di Notte
Convolvolo
Fiore Di Pesco
Papavero
Gladiolo
Gladiolo 2
Garofanino Di Montagna
Fiordaliso
Elicriso
Genziana
Genzianella
Soldanella
Stella Alpina
Ranuncolo
Ciclamino
Fiore Di Melograno
Amaryllis
Fiore Di Kaki
Aquilegia
La Nicotiana (Fiore del Tabacco)
Girasole
Dalia
Narciso
Pervinca
Fior di Clematis
Violetta
L'albero nelle Quattro Stagioni
Autunno
Inverno
Primavera
Estate

Sorry for the lengthly list. I do appreciate your time and
trouble.

Kathy  <*))))><





From: MacTeabird@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:13:19 -0400 (
Subject: Hello

I'm new to the list and just wanted to say hello to the list.

Would anybody like a copy of my favorate paper airplane, It is made
from a single sheet of 8 1/2 X 11 paper.

I first discovered this paper aircraft on the school grounds of
Dover Elementary San Pablo CA. in 1974 outside during recess neatly
folded but dirty and stepped on, but it was still in good condition.
I dont know who it belonged to or who made it, still it flew
beautifully and I kept it for myself. This design is simple yet
extremely smart. There is no need for tape, staple or paper clip
to hold this together. Its center of gravity is balanced. If you
fold it right, it is possible to throw it in a circle to come back to you.
Who ever first designed this perfect aircraft is brilliant.

I can DL it to the List or FAX it to you. :-)

T-bird





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:52:30 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Italian translation

Aloha to kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM (Katherine J. Meyer)
(and the rest of origami-l)
from kenny1414@aol.com (Kenneth M. Kawamura)

In a message dated 99-04-19 20:58:02 EDT, you write:

>  purchased the book "Origami in fiore" and I just love it.
>  But I wish I knew the names of these flowers. If it isn't
>  too much trouble, could someone translate the following
>  words for me? Thank you in advance for your help.

(I'm not really translating, I'm recognizing names similar
to English or Latin names I see in garden seed catalogs.

Oh, and I can try searching the Internet using AltaVista
at    http://www.altavista.com    for the italian words I
don't have a clue about.

-- Kenneth Kawamura)

>
>  Bella Di Notte
        Seems to translate as 'Beauty of the Night',
        maybe translates to Latin 'Bella De Nocte' ?
        Wild guess, "Night-blooming Cereus" ?
        Probably not.
>  Convolvolo
        Convolvulus
>  Fiore Di Pesco
        ???? Don't know, seems to say "Flower of the Fish",
        but that doesn't ring any bells with me. Good luck.
>  Papavero
        Poppy, latin name is Papaver.
>  Gladiolo
       Gladiolus
>  Gladiolo 2
      Gladiolus 2
>  Garofanino Di Montagna
        '<something> of the Mountain' ????
>  Fiordaliso
        'Flower of Alise(?)' ?  Oh, a curative herb,
         Fiordaliso (Centaurea cyanus)
         FAMIGLIA : Asteraceae
             (The Aster botanical family)
         NOMI COMUNI : Muneghetta
             (Common name in Italian)
         found in http://www.globalnet.it/erbe/def/fiorda.htm
>  Elicriso
        ? Ah. a curative herb,
        "Elicriso (Helichrysum italicum)
         FAMIGLIA : Asteracae (Compositae)
         NOMI COMUNI : Costo bianco"
         Found at http://www.globalnet.it/erbe/def/elicriso.htm
         using AltaVista.
>  Genziana
        Maybe Gentian, the "Blue Gentian" of the folk song?
>  Genzianella
        Another Gentian?
>  Soldanella
        This appears to be the Latin name for a genus of plants.
        See    http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/collection/Soldanella.htm ?
        There is a particular Soldanella alpina ,
        See
http://www.comune.bologna.it/iperbole/bologna/gev/Docs/FloraPro/Soldanel.html
        but the webpage is in Italian.

>  Stella Alpina
        Clearly Italian for Alpine Star, but which flower is that?
        Stella alpina (Leontopodium alpinum, Leontopodium nivalis)
        found at http://www.cts.it/parchionline/flora/stella.htm .
>  Ranuncolo
        Ranunculus
>  Ciclamino
        Cyclamen
>  Fiore Di Melograno
        Looks like Italian for 'Flower of the black grain(s)'?
        Maybe Black-eyed Susan? Wild guess.
>  Amaryllis
        Amaryllis
>  Fiore Di Kaki
        'Flower of <Kaki>(?)' ????
>  Aquilegia
        ???? But this looks familiar.
        Oh! I searched for Aquilegi* on
            http://www.altavista.com
         and found:
        Aquilegia. "American Columbine" Aquilegia canadensis.
>  La Nicotiana (Fiore del Tabacco)
        This one's easy.
        "The Nicotiana (Flower of Tobacco)", is any one of
        the varieties of ornamental tobacco plants, grown for
        their fragrant (I think white) flowers, and sold under
        the Latin name Nicotiana.
>  Girasole
        Sunflower
>  Dalia
        Dahlia, probably.
>  Narciso
        Narcissus
>  Pervinca
        Periwinkle, maybe, is the Italian name spelled right?
        Seems like I expect another e in there somewhere.
>  Fior di Clematis
        Clematis, a flowering vine, pretty and fairly large,
        hand-sized, flowers, come in a choice of colors,
        including white, blue, purple, red.
>  Violetta
        Violet, almost certainly.
>  L'albero nelle Quattro Stagioni
>  Autunno
        The season Autumn, not a flower.
>  Inverno
        The season Winter, not a flower,
        like the Spanish "invierno".
>  Primavera
        The season Spring, not a flower.
>  Estate
        Guessing from the context,
        the season Summer, maybe?
>
>  Sorry for the lengthly list. I do appreciate your time and
>  trouble.
>
>  Kathy  <*))))><





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:16:52 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Italian translation (NO)

Kathy,

I just found an Italian language webpage
http://www.agricoop.it/fito/cult/pesco.stm
that seems to be about Phytopharmacology.
I think they mean drugs from plants,
rather than drugs for plants, but I'm not sure.
Anyway it says
"PESCO
Prunus persica "

I don't know, that look s like it means
Persian Prune.

Hold on, I've got a book on Fruits downstairs.

Bingo! Pesco, "Prunus Persica", means Peach,
according to the "Seed Savers 1999 Yearbook",
so "Fiore Di Pesco" should mean 'Peach blossom',
or, come to think of it, 'Flowering Peach',
probably an ornamental variety grown only for
the appearance or smell of the flowers, and with
small fruits.

By the way, there is a 1997 book on Clematis,
ISBN 1 85223 284 6 .

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Dor Jeong <DJeong1066@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:31:18 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Hello

yes i would love to have it.  thank u so much for offering it.
if u could fax it to me please put a cover sheet on it with the
name "DOR"  on it.   someone else will have to pick it up for me.
the fax number is (212) 406-8939.  i cannot always get downloads
so therefore i am happy if u would fax.





From: Paul Chabot <OrKman15@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:20:28 -0400 (
Subject: A little request

Hi everybody! My name is Paul and I live in New Hampshire and I've been on
the list a while and this is my first time writing in. LAtely i've been
prodigiuosly inventing different models and I am wondering if anyone knows of
good free diagramming tools or if anyone would be interested in diagramming
my models for me. I'll give a list for those interested, most of my models
are either of 8.5x11 or square. Another little request: Does anyone know of
any really good Mythological or otherwise relatively unexplored model
diagrams? Things like Yoda or a suit of armor...

Bullfrog -8.5x11
Mule -22.5x28.5
Dragon -square
Manticore -square
Gryphon -square
Centaur -22.5x28.5
Phoenix -square
Wildebeest -square
Parrot -square
Three piece Bat -3 sheets 8.5x11
Sabertooth Tiger -square
Torosaurus -square
Ankylosaurus -leftover from 8.5in square
Hamster -square
Peacock -leftover from 8.5in square

Thanks for your time!
Paul Chabot
"OrKman"





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:32:27 -0400 (
Subject: Re: French Convention

Hi, I am still waiting for your Email about putting me on a Web Site.  I am
interested.  I guess you are busy getting ready to go to the French
convention......I'm sorry I didnt print out what you said the other day....I
could have done that.....Dorigami





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:59:16 +0100
Subject: Re: a question

Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK> sez

>(4.50 pounds - I wonder if it is showing yet on
>the BOS website?)

Naturally!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:18 +0100
Subject: Penny Groom honoured

Last weekend we held the BOS convention in York and were amazed by the
folding, agility & skill of Jeremy Shafer. Another event also took place
and since I know she won't tell you herself, I'd like tell you about
Penny Groom.

The BOS have a Sidney French medal (named after our founder), which we
award to members who have given exceptional service to the society or
origami at large. As you will know, Penny has been our first point of
contact for errr lots of years and she has cheerfully volunteered
herself for innumerable jobs. If you're in the BOS, it will have been
partly through Penny's efforts.

I'm sure you'd like to congratulate her on this deserved award, but
she'd rather you didn't address her as "Dame Penny Groom", or bow upon
meeting her.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Doris Lauinger <Doris.L@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:34:43 +0200
Subject: Thanx

A lot of thanx to all BOS members for the wonderful convention in York.
It was so nice to meet you all again and all the other folders from all
over the world
origamically
Doris





From: Cyrille Preaux <cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:15:47 +0200
Subject: Re: digramming was( A little request)

i can help if u want. depends on complexity

if anyone would be interested in diagramming
>my models for me.

>Bullfrog -8.5x11
>Mule -22.5x28.5
>Dragon -square
>Manticore -square
>Gryphon -square
>Centaur -22.5x28.5
>Phoenix -square
>Wildebeest -square
>Parrot -square
>Three piece Bat -3 sheets 8.5x11
>Sabertooth Tiger -square
>Torosaurus -square
>Ankylosaurus -leftover from 8.5in square
>Hamster -square
>Peacock -leftover from 8.5in square
>
>Thanks for your time!
>Paul Chabot
>"OrKman"





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:56:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Cloud

Grazie Daniela, I'm glad you liked the model!

Using your ASCII-drawing I'm describing the action mechanism:

Before action:
              ______________
            _/              \__
           /                   \
           |                    \
           \____________________/

...Flip!...

After action:

              ______________
            _/              \__
           /                   \
           |                    \
           \____________________/
                   /  /
                  /__/
                  \_\    <----- Lightning.
                   //
                   *

>Csatt!

The diags are bilingual and this is the Hungarian equivalent for "Flip!",
which I tried to illustrate the sound of lightning with :-)

Happy folding, Peter Budai
