




From: Kenji Houston <kenji@TFS.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:07:24 -0500
Subject: OUSA like or leave it

There's been a lot of noise and postering about the OUSA. My view, as an
     origamist, if
don't like the way OUSA is representing you. Form your own organization. To me
     OUSA is A
organizatoin that promotes origami, not THE organization that promotes origami.
     We all
need to lighten up!





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:29:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Diagrams on the Web ?

At 09:36 99/04/16 +0000, you wrote:
>I'm Runing Netscape 4.05 it work for all but the animal section ?
>I'll try now that you've cahged your script. It looks great so far !

The animal page works, but it will take some time for Netscape to render the
page since the file is so long.

What needs to be done on this page is for me to finish writing the
administration script. Then people can update the list much easier. We also
need to find the exact URL's for the individual files so that people can
link to them without needing to link to the host site (although the host
site will always be available).

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:31:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Diagrams on the Web ?

At 20:24 99/04/15 -0400, you wrote:
>The change made in the redirection script has enabled my browser to open all
>of the URLs and gain access to the many sites cataloged. Thanks.

You should still consider upgrading your browser. I've merely turned off the
redirection script for now, but I would prefer to use it if possible. It
helps me to keep track of the traffic on my site.

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From: "George W. Hendrickson Jr." <gwhjr@BORG.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:33:23 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA Rare Book Library

Hello I'M George Hendrickson.  My wife joined this forum to get a better
insight into origami. I happened to come across this letter and the
discussion about your rare books. I have a suggestion that differs from this
most obvious methods discussed so far.  How about using one of the currently
available digital cameras to photograph the pages. I have used this method
to get difficult pictures out of books.  I have also gotten text.  I use the
sony Mavica model MVC-FD7. This camera stores the image on a floppy disk as
a JPEG file.  You could then pull the image into any good graphics program
to work with it.  Since it is already digital data. The files could be
stored on any computer and cleaned up as necessary.  You could then record
the data on CD-ROM disks and could make unlimited copies as required using a
standard printer.  If you had a good OCR (Optical Character Recognition)sic
program. You could then bring in the files as text and these would be even
more easily worked with.





From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:11:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Politics

-----Original Message-----
From:   Dorothy Engleman [SMTP:FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET]
Sent:   Wednesday, April 14, 1999 4:19 PM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: Origami Politics

Thanks to Mark Kennedy for his substantial contribution to this
discussion.
[Mark Morden]  ...though, as been said by others in response to his =
message, his personal attack on Allen Parry was uncalled for and =
inappropriate.  Mr. Kennedy please take note: when you start your =
messages with attacks of that sort, it detracts and dilutes the =
effectiveness of your own message.  I for one had to make a real effort =
to take your points seriously after having to read about your personal =
opinion of Allen.  Let's stay on subject.

Having said that, I will digress to defend Allen.  I have known him for =
about four years through Seattle's PAPER group.  The characterization of =
him as a manipulative, power-hungry maniac bent on the destruction of =
OUSA is about as far from the truth as you can get.  He is devoted to =
the art of paperfolding, he has a lot of very good ideas about how =
things can be done and done better, and he has a desire to get involved =
to see his ideas carried out.  In the case of OUSA he believes he has =
something to offer at the national level to make OUSA better, not to =
tear it down.  These type of people should be encouraged, not turned =
away. =20

One last point that I don't think can be said enough:  there is no coup =
attempt here.  Allen and the other three want the opportunity to run for =
office.  They are not demanding board positions, they only want the =
opportunity to run.  They are also trying to get the by-laws enforced, =
not circumvent the rules.  The irony here is they are trying to play by =
the rules, but are being characterized as trying to tear things down. =20

If national representation is the goal in this dispute, why are a
handful of members threatening legal action without the input of the
entire membership?  No litigation without representation!

Legal action is in total opposition to my wishes as a member and should
be  abandoned in favor of the opening up of an inclusive and
constructive dialogue between the Board and OrigamiUSA membership.

[Mark Morden]  I can't imaging there are too many people who want to get =
involved in legal actions over any issue or topic.  However, legal =
actions are effective tools at getting another party's attention when =
there are no satisfactory responses.  In the current situation, legal =
action was not the first option or response.  I believe this was brought =
up after repeated attempts at trying to get any kind of meaningful =
dialog established with the board.  Legal action can be an effective =
wake up call.  Unfortunately, with the current board it has apparently =
driven them deeper into a bunker. =20

The current legal action being discussed is to have an independent =
arbiter review the by-laws and render an opinion about whether they are =
being properly executed or enforced.  That doesn't seem too threatening. =
 Either way the results will be for the better.  Either OUSA will find =
out the by-laws are fine and everything is good, or they will find out =
where some weakness are that can be rectified to make the organization =
stronger. =20





From: Charles Beittel <CBeit24275@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:24:40 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Diagrams on the Web ?

The change made in the redirection script has enabled my browser to open all
of the URLs and gain access to the many sites cataloged. Thanks.

cbeit 24275@aol.com





From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:25:46 +0200
Subject: Re: Omnigami...

Howard Portugal wrote:

> There's diagrams for a "gray" in one of the Tanteidan convention books (#3 I
> think).

Where could i find something about Tandeidan and its conventions ( .... and
convention books, how can i buy them ...) in internet?

Thank a lot,
Lorenzo





From: Gabriel Malmierca <gmalmier@ADINET.COM.UY>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:04:39 -0300
Subject: USA Holiday

Hi list,

I will be travelling around USA during May. I will go to Miami, Boston
and New York.

Any advices regarding what should I visit from an Origami point of view
will be greatly appreciated.

I already wrote down the previous advices posted to the list.

Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Gabriel.

At 08:27 PM 31-01-99 -0500, you wrote:
>In regards to Dennis' query about Boston, Joyce writes:
>
>>>>
>Fanuil Hall Marketplace also has an origami store.
><<<
>
>Acutally, I don't think that's there anymore.  They closed down
>several years ago, and if they've reopened, no one's told
>me about it!
>
>Another cool place to go is Rugg Road, 105 Charles Street (near the
>Charles/MGH T-stop on the red line).  This is an artisan paper shop,
>and if you're a fan of the elusive Elephant Hide paper, they have
>plenty of it there!  (As well as some origami books and other coolish
>stuff.)
>
>I second visiting Michael LaFosse's Origamido Studio in Haverhill
>(you'd have to take the commuter rail to get there).  It's
>definitely worth the trip!
>
>Another thing you should do is contact someone like me, who lives
>in Boston (actually, Somerville, but it's close enough) to see
>if there are any origami gatherings going on.  Wait till closer
>to your trip, though, as we're a spur-of-the-moment group.
>
>----- Tom "tour guide" Hull
>      thull@merrimack.edu





From: Luis Sepulveda <hexander@ALPHA.SG.INTER.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:12:32 +0000
Subject: Hello

Hi!
Im Luis but online Im HEXANDER.
   I'm new to origami and i would like to get some info about sites or
     somewhere else where i can find text or other material about it.
Thanx!!





From: "John E. Clark" <jeclark@CAMALOTT.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:06:13 -0500
Subject: ceramic paper

Hey all,

    While browsing through some sites I saw a term calling for ceramic paper.
     What is this?  Do I need to make it?  If so, where can I find instructions
     to make it?  Thanks

John
Abilene Texas





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:05:48 -0700
Subject: Re: a question

At 01:27 PM 4/15/99 PDT, you wrote:
>I was reading the mail from the mailing list and read about a
>something something conventional boook, can anyone please explain to
>me what it is?  Is there any diagrams in it? Thank you!
>Wing
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
>
Wing:
Every year the origami group in Japan publishes a book of original
diagrams by origami enthusiasts ( I am assuming ) like the book sold
to members of the Origami USA.  I have a special one dedicated to one
of the founders of OUSA last year.
Ria





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:31:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Politics

>
> Thanks to Mark Kennedy for his substantial contribution to this
> discussion.
> [Mark Morden]  ...though, as been said by others in response to his =
> message, his personal attack on Allen Parry was uncalled for and =
> inappropriate.  Mr. Kennedy please take note: when you start your =
> messages with attacks of that sort, it detracts and dilutes the =
> effectiveness of your own message.  I for one had to make a real effort =
> to take your points seriously after having to read about your personal =
> opinion of Allen.  Let's stay on subject.

Mr. Kennedy is entitled to his opinion just as you are entitled to your
opinion, and just as Allen Parry is entitled to his opinion. There is
nothing inappropiate about stating ones opinion.
--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Ho <gmjk@PRIMUS.COM.AU>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:06:38 +0800
Subject: Founder of OrigamiUSA

I would like to include this in the 'people in history' section of my web
site.
Who was the founder(s) of OrigamiUSA?
Can you tell me something about her or him?

I respect people who helped to contribute to the development of this art of
paper-folding.
May I share with you the followings I learned.

Hope origami can empower more people:-

to appreciate what we have
to communicate and share
to recreate and relax
to forgive and
to heal

Sincerely

George Ho

*************   Please note my new address and the backup e-mail :
george_ho@yawmail.com
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From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:17:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Hello

Welcome, Luis,
Joseph Wu's web site (Mother of all origami webs),
http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca , is a must.

-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Sepulveda <hexander@ALPHA.SG.INTER.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 2:16 AM
Subject: Hello

>Hi!
>Im Luis but online Im HEXANDER.
>   I'm new to origami and i would like to get some info about sites or
somewhere else where i can find text or other material about it.
>Thanx!!





From: Darren Scott <Darren.Scott@SCI.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:36:51 +0000
Subject: Re: Diagrams on the Web ?

> At 12:04 99/04/15 -0400, you wrote:
> >That's a remarkable compilation. However, my browser refuses to open any of
> >the listed sites. It disclaims, "The requested header was not found." As I
> >recall, the browser is IE3 running on AOL. Help!
>
> Have you considered getting a newer browser? I don't mean that facetiously.
> IE3 is very buggy. Anyway, I suspect that the problem is with my redirection
> script. I've just changed that, so try again and let me know if it works or
> not.
I'm Runing Netscape 4.05 it work for all but the animal section ?
I'll try now that you've cahged your script. It looks great so far !

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From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:44:58 +0100
Subject: Gecko & Fly

For anyone whos interested there is a picture of this model here:-

http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~origamih/tenji/ehpj22.htm

At the bottom of the page. Click on it for a larger image.
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:46:01 +1000
Subject: Re: Omnigami...

On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Lory wrote:

> Where could i find something about Tandeidan and its conventions ( .... and
> convention books, how can i buy them ...) in internet?

The Tanteidan homepage is as follows:

http://origami.gr.jp/

Some interesting articles galleries and profiles (some in Japanese), as
well as details on how to order the Tanteidan magazines (current and
certain back issues). I'm not sure if they also sell the Tanteidan
Convention issues as well, though I know these are advertised through
Gallery Origami HOuse

http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~origamih/eindex.html

As credit card purchases are not an option, I found it easier to go
through Sasuga Japanese bookstore and pay the extra charge:

http://www.sasugabooks.com/

ps only three of the four Convention books published are available. No. 1
is out of print.

Regards,

Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:37:09 +0100
Subject: origami sighting

The Dutch newspaper 'Volkskrant' of April 15. has a cartoon on the front
page. Two people walk out of a cinema featuring 'Origami, The Movie'. One
of them says "The booklet was better". The cartoonist probably never saw
Thoki Yenn's video...

Greetings,
Sjaak

Sjaak Adriaanse
---------------------------------------------------------------
Tekst & Uitleg





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:48:13 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami Politics (how to make friends, lesson 2)

        hello,

    There has always been (and there WILL always be) people complaining that
almost everything that is done by organizations (whever that's Origami, Kite
flying, Cold Fusion nuclear power or Spanking parties) are done only on the
main town of the country (Paris, New-York, Sarajevo, ...)

    To them, I will say only ONE thing :

        - Either you move your butt and DO something where YOU live,
        - Either you move your butt and decide to live in the gig town !

    OK, now, flame me !

                    JJ Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:20:34 -0500
Subject: OUSA & Polotics yadda yadda yadda

I could sleep through this.
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From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:35:03 -0400
Subject: Smoke (Re: Omnigami...)

At 21:01 99/04/14 +0100, Joseph Wu wrote:

>>My question is this; What has NOT been folded yet?

>My standard answer: smoke.

I remembered you saying this at the '97 OUSA Convention and a few days ago
I've made an attempt... :-)  I have to admit that I have only been able to
create "smog"... :-)  Actually, it's not pure smog :-(  The model is
conceptually very simple, consists of a skyline (in one color) and a
background (in the other colour). So the background can be called "smog". I
know it's cheating, but well, it's just an attempt. :-)

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:35:07 -0400
Subject: Cloud (Re: Omnigami...)

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

>I think clouds came up, too.

In fact, I've made one. Even, it has an action mechanism! Not rain, but a
lightning. This model is one of my favourites. It was published in a recent
number of the "Quadrato Magico" (the magazine of C.D.O.) recently.

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:17:05 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA & Polotics yadda yadda yadda

>
> I could sleep through this.
>
Very easily :-)

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ackerman@dorsai.org
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From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:36:59 -0400
Subject: Origami Politics again

Somehow this didn't get sent right.  I know it's not as much fun as Xuxa
and friends.





From: Anonymous Bill <bill.bill@MAILCITY.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:16:26 -0500
Subject: new member

 this actually has nothing to do with the fact that i'm a new member of this
     mailing list.
what i would like to know is this...
if someone insists upon buying something you've made, how do you price it?

Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com
Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com





From: Anonymous Bill <bill.bill@MAILCITY.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:25:20 -0500
Subject: hello again

was my last message received?  i think i sent it to the wrong address
---
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From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:39:00 -0400
Subject: This about Sums It UP

Allan,

This article about sums up my response to your letter. Except that I found
your retoric to be inflamatory.

   The Japanese government submitted its rebuttal of the US Trade
Representative's National Trade Estimate (NTE) report to the US
embassy here, said a foreign ministry official.
   Some of the April 1 US trade report was accurate, Tokyo conceded
in the written rebuttal.
   "However, in many parts of the NTE report, we observe that the
argument is marked by a one-sided view and misinterpretations of the
facts; it is to our great disappointment that such a report has been
published."

This is what I get for returning to work.

Mark





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:40:15 -0700
Subject: Great White Shark (was Re: Origami Sighting)

At 17:35 99/04/16 -0400, you wrote:
>> ...one day to design, fold, and ship a "great white shark"!
>
>For the curious (at least me), did you keep rights to the model, or are they
>the only ones who can have it?

I still have rights to the model. That is standard for all illustrators,
unless the rights are specifically bought by the client. Usually, that
costs quite a bit more money.

>Thanks for the story.  I love reading these behind the scenes tales, it makes
>the process less "magical mysterious creatorily stuff."

Glad to oblige. BTW, diagrams for the shark are about 2/3 complete. 8)
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From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:48:00 -0400
Subject: Origami Politics II

This did not make it on to the list so I will try again.
 ----------
From: Kennedy, Mark
To: OrigamiList
Subject: Origami Politics II
Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 3:10PM

Allan,

I was hurt and upset when I recieved your letter. When I was on the Board
we tried to enclude all members in our discussion. Implicited in your
letter is that if you are outside of the NY metroploitan area - OUSA
doesn't care about you. That could be farther from the truth. Any policy
discussion was always prefaced by what would this mean to our members - all
of our members. We also had to consider what would any action mean as a
precident. Some actions would lead to the proverbial slippery slope.

I do not find open elections devisive. I find the threat of a lawsuit
devisive.

As to why there is no dicussion, I can only picture a police office reading
you your Miranda rights and then asking why you won't talk to him, i.e.
anything you say can and will be held against you. I am going to sue
unless you do things my way is a similar legal challange. It is not a good
open gambit for a discussion unless you want to raise some hell. In some
cases,
legal challenges are the only way to effect change, I do not believe that
this is the case. I think that the Annual General Meeting is the place to
do it. I expect this years meeting to be bloody and since dinner is
generally schedualled afterwards - I am expecting to get to dinner late if
at all. I do not like attend meetings, but I will be sure to be at this
one. The board is broadening it views and people with regional group
experiance will help. I do not think that the threat of a law suit is going
to help.

The board is expanding its horizons. When I first joined the board, in
1990, there were no non-metropolitian NY board members. There are now three
 - 1 from California and 2 from Massachuttes. I will support expanding more
non-NY area board members but not at the threat of a law suit this year. As
Steve Buck told me that the only people who benefit from a law suit are the
lawyers. I think that there is time, to put the process of change into
force for next year.

I would like to see the expansion of the board to evolve and be phased in
over several years. For the most part, I think that things are running
smoothly. Since much of the work is done at the museum, some of the board
should be based there. Too radical of a shift, too quickly could cause
serious disruption.

I view the work of the museum volunteer as the backbone of the
organisation. You do not strip away the backbone and expect to have the
organization stand.

The ideas about the organizational structure that you expressed to me in
January, I found alarming. I have seen no mention of them in your
subsequent writing, but I believe that they are still in the background.
When I found out that your letter, which raises important issues for All
members, was only sent to members outside of NY, NJ and CT, I felt that you
were stacking the deck. If you want OUSA to be fair to all members, you
should be too.

There has been much discussion on the list of there being no NY group.
There are origami groups that meet in the NY area that are not list - that
is their choice. I suspect that there are other non-listed groups around
the country. I have heard Larry Davis (who lives 30-45 minutes north of the
museum and is retired) say that he can attend 9 origami meetings a month.
This ranges from West Chester north of the City to Long Island, NJ and NYC.
I have heard about a group that in Brooklyn but I don't know if it is still
active. Lillian Oppenheimer had a group that met regularly since the
sixties, it is still meeting. The last time that I attended was at
Lillian's appartment and one of the members brought her daughter who had
just retired. So origami is alive and well in NYC outside of OSUA.

I checked with Carol Ann Wilkes last night. In the beginning of Special
Sessions, she and another member produced "I'm Sorry Kits." The production
was labor intensive, not many people ordered them (those who did were very
pleased) and were dropped as not being effective use of time and resources.
Part the work in producing the kits was getting copyright permission for
the models taught if not getting them diagramed. Since many of the models
taught at the higher levels are unpublished, this takes a while. The kits
also included the paper that was utilized. For modulars and non-square
models, this took lots of manpower. The new rolling blade paper cutters are
more accurate and would improve the time on this job.

In my quick review of the list, the few days before I joined - I think
that it was your comment that some people will ask a Board member a
question at the convention and get snapped at that is because they are
overwhelmed with work. It has happened to me. I've been snapped at by all
of them Michael, Jan, Jean.... Fortuately for me, I have the history so
that I can shrug it off - their overwhelmed with work, tired and cranky -
it is nothing personal. Some of the resentment that I have heard (from
several sources) directed to NY, stems from similar incidents of not being
"customer focused." I don't know how to correct an organization from human
nature.

My Vision for the Future:

I have attend many regional group origami meetings around the country. I
have schedual vacations and business trips to enable me to attend those
meetings. While I was on the board the first formal policy of
Regional/Affiliate groups was formulated. Coming from a Science Fiction
Fandom background, it was my vision that these groups would grow to the
point that they would be putting on their own regional conventions. In SF
Fandon, it is possible to attend a convention almost any weekend if you
have the time and money. I pictured that occurring in Origami. We have not
seen several regional conventions 3 Southeast, 1 Peacock and soon ORCA.
There are mini-conventions held in Vermont by BOG, Long Island by LIFE and
in NJ by Dottie Kaplan. I am sure that there are more. This is my vision as
to where the origami world should be moving.

I would like to see the newsletter be expanded to six times a year. Even a
paid editor can only do so much when the volunteer writers delay in their
submissions. That will entail more expense and labor. This benefit will
have to be compared with cost to members. Some family would consider a
price increase a hardship. Do we have the committment from the members to
make the deadlines for their articles. More diagrams would put a strain on
volunteers. I found that a page of diagrams took me about three hours. Some
of this can be farmed out.

I think that it is important to continue with the Origami by Children
exhibition. I have heard many families talk about how pleased they were to
have thier models displayed in NYC. This exhibition also travels to various
schools and libraries which increases OUSA visibility and respect for
Origami in that it shows the world that Origami is not just cranes and
such.

Any new projects taken on by the OUSA means that we have to have additional
resources - in labor, supplies and expenses. That means new labor and
resources or eliminating on going projects. New York is stretched pretty
much to the limit on what can be done. Anything more or new will have to be
spread around. That will have to come from integration and evolution - not
a law suit.

What is your vision?

I have just over extended my lunch hour so I will be working later tonight
than planned. Sorry for any typos, I don't have time to let it rest. I felt
it was important to answer your letter today. I took stuff home to do but
work and the call from the account took precident on the 15th.

Mark





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:33:44 -0400
Subject: Re: History in a bottle

Dave Brill indited:

> Doug Philips asks about the bottle design which has appeared in
> Brilliant Origami, as well as Kenneway's Origami Paperfolding for Fun
> and Kasahara and Takahama's Origami for the Connoisseur.

Thanks for sharing that Dave!  (Sorry for not replying sooner, it was tax time
here in "The States" this past week).

I'm curious about a few things in the model.  The diagrams that appear in OftC
show more precreasing than the diagrams that appear in your own book.  Do you
precrease, or just make the "pleats" as you fold the neck of the bottle?
Second question:  Is there a trick for getting the neck properly tucked under
the "lip?"

Thanks again!

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:35:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

Joseph,

> Yes, this was a fun project. The business editor contacted me on Tuesday,
> and we managed to discuss the project on Wednesday. The problem was that he
> needed the shark by Friday, meaning that I'd have to send it on
> Thursday...one day to design, fold, and ship a "great white shark"!

For the curious (at least me), did you keep rights to the model, or are they
the only ones who can have it?

> Quite enjoyable, really, and I quite like the final shark. I've made a few
> refinements to it since I sent them the piece used in the article, including
> giving it the hint of a mouth.

Thanks for the story.  I love reading these behind the scenes tales, it makes
the process less "magical mysterious creatorily stuff."

-D'gou





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:40:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Anne LaVin's web page

At 20:19 99/04/16 +0000, you wrote:
>  How do I "Find Anne's page via Joseph Wu's page"? I've tried searching by
>name with no luck.

Probably because I've got it spelled wrong in my database. I'll fix it now.
Sorry. Here's the URL: <http://www-japan.mit.edu/usr/lavin/origami.html>.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:43:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Anne LaVin's web page

At 17:40 99/04/16 -0700, Origami List wrote:
>At 20:19 99/04/16 +0000, you wrote:
>>  How do I "Find Anne's page via Joseph Wu's page"? I've tried searching by
>>name with no luck.
>
>Probably because I've got it spelled wrong in my database. I'll fix it now.
>Sorry. Here's the URL: <http://www-japan.mit.edu/usr/lavin/origami.html>.

Of course, she's moved the URL, too. Here's the correct one:

<http://web.mit.edu/lavin/www/origami.html>.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:48:49 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Politics (how to make friends, lesson 2)

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR> sez

> To them, I will say only ONE thing :
>
>        - Either you move your butt and DO something where YOU live,
>        - Either you move your butt and decide to live in the gig town !

Isn't that two things?

all the best,

Nick the pedant

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:28:00 -0400
Subject: Birds

I don't know who made the original request for birds - sorry for the lack of
personal response.

I have been trying to build an origami bird display. Most of what I have
done was on exhibition in Charlotte for the Southeast Origami Festival.

Most bird models are standing birds. When I think of birds, I think of birds
in flight. Ther are very few birds in flight models that I like or that I
think "read" well. Since my books are at home and I am at work you will get
the ones off of the top of my head.

The suggest to get the Momotani Bird book is a good one. There are a couple
of good models in the book. Unfortunately some of them are two piece models.
Vincente Palacios has done a book on the models Aldolfo Cerceda - under his
Spanish name - I am sorry that I forget it - I has many bird models but they
are all standing. Marc Overmars, in the Netherlands, published an Kingfisher
which rested on a finger. I liked the model and it also illustrates the
international nature of origami - the model was designed by Nakanon - Japan;
diagramed by Jean Jerome Cassalonga - Corsica (France); published in the
Netherlands; and fold by *** in the ****. It should be republished so it is
more available.

John Montroll's forth comming book has a swallow in it that is excellent. It
wet folds well. From Origami for the Enthusiast - the goose model wet folds
well - there are problem of where to string a line from to hang that takes
some trial and error.

The BOS booklet by Anthony O'Hare has an excellant landing hawk from a
waterbomb base. It is two toned.

>From Samuel Randlett (I forget which book) there is an eagle from diaper
fold.

I have an Italian book with and excellent seagull. Unfortunately I don't
know who's it is. The book had duel names on the cover. I found out that one
was the creator and the other the illustrator.

Many years ago Nakano put out a pamphlet with 5 origami birds - the eagle is
a good one. It has good 3-D definition.

Sorry that most of my best recommendations are obscure or out of print
sources.

Mark





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:31:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Magic Tricks

How about a troublewit? I know that there's one in one of the A-Z books, but
I can't recall the name or author. Maybe it's Kenneway, but I'm not sure.

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM [mailto:ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 6:18 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Magic Tricks
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have searched the archives but do not find much on this subject:
>
> My son is planning on doing a "sort of magic origami show"
> for his talent
> show performance.  He is planning on incorporating the
> butterfly ball, the
> magic rose cube, flapping bird, flexigons....
>
> Does anyone have other ideas of magical things to do with
> paper-origami- that
> would be good for group viewing?  Thanks,
>
> Patty & Corey





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:39:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Birds

Kennedy, Mark indited:

> I don't know who made the original request for birds - sorry for the lack of
> personal response.

And the moving electron beam, having "burned"...

> Most bird models are standing birds. When I think of birds, I think of birds
> in flight. Ther are very few birds in flight models that I like or that I
> think "read" well. Since my books are at home and I am at work you will get
> the ones off of the top of my head.

Likewise. ;-)

One of the Tanteidan collections has a kingfisher in it, in flight as I
recall.  Anne LaVin's web page has a contents list.  Find Anne's page via
Joseph Wu's page:  http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/

> John Montroll's forth comming book has a swallow in it that is excellent. It
> wet folds well. From Origami for the Enthusiast - the goose model wet folds
> well - there are problem of where to string a line from to hang that takes
> some trial and error.

Agreed.

> I have an Italian book with and excellent seagull. Unfortunately I don't
> know who's it is. The book had duel names on the cover. I found out that one
> was the creator and the other the illustrator.

Laurie Bisman has a nice looking seagull (never folded it though) in
Kenneway's Origami Paperfolding for Fun.  I think it may also be on his web
site (again, find it through Joseph's site).
>
> Many years ago Nakano put out a pamphlet with 5 origami birds - the eagle is
> a good one. It has good 3-D definition.

One of my favorites!  OUSA sold off a bunch of copies of that at the (I think)
1997 convention.  If someone could arrange for permission, I would be willing
to scan it and put it up on my web page.

> Sorry that most of my best recommendations are obscure or out of print
> sources.

Now that Origami Omnibus is back in print, I recall there being several nice
birds there as well.

Lang's Bald Eagle (from 2x1) is in a great "attack" pose, and I seeem to
recall his Golden Eagle from Origami Zoo is also in an attack pose.

-D'gou





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:48:02 -0700 (
Subject: Re: a question

Oh! thanks Ria, I think that I will not be able to buy on then.  Do
you know how I can subscribe to the group or how I can buy the book?
I am very interested to sdee what kind of a book it is.  Is it in
Japanese?  Thanks!

Wing

>From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: a question
>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:05:48 -0700
>
>At 01:27 PM 4/15/99 PDT, you wrote:
>>I was reading the mail from the mailing list and read about a
>>something something conventional boook, can anyone please explain to
>>me what it is?  Is there any diagrams in it? Thank you!
>>Wing
>>
>>_______________________________________________________________
>>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>>
>>
>Wing:
>Every year the origami group in Japan publishes a book of original
>diagrams by origami enthusiasts ( I am assuming ) like the book sold
>to members of the Origami USA.  I have a special one dedicated to one
>of the founders of OUSA last year.
>Ria

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:01:00 -0400
Subject: HummingBird

In the Origami Newsletter Fall 1991, Scott Bedrick did an excellent Humming
bird  from an offcentered bird base. It is two toned so it gives excellant
color. When done in foil or wet folded it is very life like. The balance
point for hanging is a hole through the head and glued in between the layer
of the breast.

Sorry I forgot this one. I have seen it done posed with its beak in a
flower. Beautifull...

Mark





From: good man <jess2800@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:10:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Birds

Hi Mark:

Her are a few you may have forgotten
      Paloma en Vuelo (Carlos Corda)
       Bird n Flght (Robert Harbin) Secrets                   of Origami
        Robert Neale's Parakeet in Flight    &
                 Secrets of Origami
         Flying Goose (Alice Gray) "Easy Easies" or Step-by Step
Origami"
          Flying Stork/Crane (LiguiaMontoya)
                   Secrets ofOrigami
And so many of Nakano's (see earlier message).   hope this helps,
they're all I  can remember at this moment.
                                  J.





From: Jack Mello <jmello@MEDIAONE.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:19:29 +0000
Subject: Anne LaVin's web page

  How do I "Find Anne's page via Joseph Wu's page"? I've tried searching by
name with no luck.

Jack...

----------
>From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Birds
>Date: Fri, Apr 16, 1999, 10:39 PM
>

> One of the Tanteidan collections has a kingfisher in it, in flight as I
> recall.  Anne LaVin's web page has a contents list.  Find Anne's page via
> Joseph Wu's page:  http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/





From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:55:41 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

A friend saved the Business section of the Times for me, so I actually got to
see the sharks; very nice.

Do the people in charge realize they gave an inadvertent extra plug to a
particluar brand of paper, Great White?

Merida





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:18:21 -0400 (
Subject: Magic Tricks

Hi everyone,

I have searched the archives but do not find much on this subject:

My son is planning on doing a "sort of magic origami show"  for his talent
show performance.  He is planning on incorporating the butterfly ball, the
magic rose cube, flapping bird, flexigons....

Does anyone have other ideas of magical things to do with paper-origami- that
would be good for group viewing?  Thanks,

Patty & Corey





From: Michael and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: USA Holiday

You can check out my origami sources web page for info:

http://www.conecntric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

I'd like to try to keep this list current.  If members of this mailing list
     would check out the listings for cities they are familiar with and let me
     know if any of the shops have closed, moved, etc., it would be greatly
     appreciated.

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gabriel Malmierca
  To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
  Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 12:04 AM
  Subject: USA Holiday

  Hi list,

  I will be travelling around USA during May. I will go to Miami, Boston
  and New York.

  Any advices regarding what should I visit from an Origami point of view
  will be greatly appreciated.





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:57:35 -0400
Subject: Troublewit

The troublewit is in Kenneway's Complete Origami.
--
  Edith M. Kort
  Rochester,  NY





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:35:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Magic Tricks

Patty and Corey:
>Does anyone have other ideas of magical things to do with
paper-origami- that
>would be good for group viewing?  Thanks,

________________
There is Horrors by Robert Neale that changes from a dwarf to a headless
man to a ghost and also his Bunny Bill that has a rabbit popping out of
a hat. Traditional paper poppers are fun and of course Jeremy Shaffer's
Flasher.

Kalei





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:55:37 -0400 (
Subject: Re: new member

Depends primarily on how much you like,
either the person or the model, and secondarily
on whether you're intending repeat sales,
or a one time sale, or even a gift, and how much you
value your costs, your time, the person, and the model.

Also, how much do you want the person to value it?

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:55:39 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Birds

In a message dated 99-04-16 18:29:39 EDT, you write:

> Aldolfo Cerceda - under his
>  Spanish name - I am sorry that I forget it -

If I remember correctly, that was Carlos Corda of Argentina?

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:52:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Politics II

On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Kennedy, Mark wrote:

> I do not find open elections devisive. I find the threat of a lawsuit
> devisive.

Where in the world is this talk of lawsuits coming from???  I OUSA
planning on suinng us for asking to run for the board?  What's with this?

Mark, we realize you have jumped into the middle of this discussion and we
are unable to bring you up to speed on this list.  If you go to Joseph
Wu's webpage and do a search on "OUSA" after April 4th, you'll get all the
discussions covered thus far on the list.  I think if you read them,
you'll find that "devisive" does not apply to us.

-- We have complimented the OrigamiUSA board on their hard work and
efforts, which we really do appreciate.  We have not made a single
negative comment toward ANY individual.

-- We have reached out to them ... asking them to discuss these issues
with their constituency, and their formal reply has been, "Our lawyers
have advised us not to talk".  The board has dug in their heels and are
not willing to answer our questions.

We are doing everything we can think of to bring resolution to these
issues, to bring peace, but it is really difficult with an unresponsive
board.  Do you have any suggestions?  We're listening.

We need to build pathways to peace.... to resolution.

> As to why there is no dicussion, I can only picture a police office reading
> you your Miranda rights and then asking why you won't talk to him, i.e.
> anything you say can and will be held against you. I am going to sue
> unless you do things my way is a similar legal challange.

Where are you guys picking up these paranoias?  It's sounding like the
Story of Chicken Little, "The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!"

We have been asking over and over.... "From what basis does OrigamiUSA
decline our nominations?"  We asked Jorge Batista; the OUSA attorney....no
reply.  We asked Jean Baden-Gillette, the president of OUSA.....no reply.

We gave a copy of the bylaws to an attorney and asked him this question.
He found no provisions in the bylaws that allow them to be able to restict
ANY member from running for the board. We were told our attorney was not
from New York and perhaps New York law was different.  So, we hired the
best.  A New York attorney who is expert in New York non-profit law.  He
told us the same thing... although his investigation is still on going,
trying to discover their basis for this action.

Do we not have a right to have the answer to this question?  Does not be
satisfied with "because" for an answer wrong?

I hardly think this innvestigation constitutes a lawsuit.  Heck, why don't
they just tell us why?

> I think that the Annual General Meeting is the place to do it. I expect
> this years meeting to be bloody and since dinner is generally
> schedualled afterwards - I am expecting to get to dinner late if at all.

Mark.... what's the point of having a bloody meeting?  I hope you're
planing on leaving your battle axe at home.  I'd rather discussions
be civil and productive.  I am not sure if I want to be a part of a
meeting that is already anticipated to be verbally abusive.  I am getting
a little gun-shy of it lately.

There needs be open discussion. Not everyone can fly to New York and I am
sure you can expect a dominance of New York members attending that
meeting.  Why condense the discussion into a two to three hour
meeting???  There are so many people with questions to ask.

Our board should be in dialog with their constituency through every madium
available.... whether it be by mail, the Annual Meeting, or on the
internet.

-------------------------------
This fear a legal suit is nonsense...poppycock.  A really BAD excuse.
What do they have to be afraid of?  Did they do something wrong?  Heck, if
they didn't, they should have to hide.  They need to come out of hiding
and talk with their people!
-------------------------------

> Steve Buck told me that the only people who benefit from a law suit are the
> lawyers.

Was Steve quoting me at that time.  I think you will find I also mentioned
something like that on the list.

> When I found out that your letter, which raises important issues for All
> members, was only sent to members outside of NY, NJ and CT, I felt that you
> were stacking the deck. If you want OUSA to be fair to all members, you
> should be too.

Criticism taken and we will take your advise into account in the future.
Our next letter will go out to all of U.S. and Canada.  You must realize
that the cost of these mailings are coming out of the pockets of
individuals and they are not inexpensive.  We did the best with what money
we had.

Our goal was to launch a response...a response that we hoped would open
discussions.  It's sad that the OUSA board has opted not to be in dialog.
The topics raised in our initial letter were issues we were hearing from
all across the country....and repeated here on the list as concerns of the
membership.

> What is your vision?

I have a vision of a representative board of directors who listen to their
constituency.  Not a working board (as Tom Hull said) where they are "too
over worked" to sit down and entertain other's ideas.  I assure you, I
don't have all the answers (and no one does)....but within all of us
across the country there are a lot of resourses, manpower and a lot of
good ideas.  I don't feel it's any one persons place to define OrigamiUSA
but the role of the owners; the members, all across the country.

I invision the "entire" membership ignited to participate in the national
organization....with a feeling of ownership of OrigamiUSA...not rejected
to only an observer's role.  There is something about participation that
brings ownership to the individual.

I have a vision for equity, whether a person lives in Lobo Texas or New
York City.  A board without regional bias, but operates with the best
interest of the whole country in mind.

I'm sorry...I don't share a fatalistic attitude... I'd rather hold on to
an optimistic one.  I think Origami is loved and enjoyed by many
people...many outside the New York area.  The foundation of our house goes
deep....in Michigam...Pennsylvania...Maryland...Minnesota....Arizona...in
California....and many other areas.  With many, many people committed to
seeing that origami will continue on.

No, the house is not going to collapse as the doomsday sayers are wanting
you to believe.  There is strength in numbers and SO many of our numbers
have not yet been enabled.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:09:56 -0400 (
Subject: Magic

The "Magician's Purse" is a very easy but effective trick made from rectangle
of paper, 2 by 1. Instructions were published in "Paper Magic" (1957) by
Robert Harbin, page 91.

Florence Temko.





From: Jack Mello <jmello@MEDIAONE.NET>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:20:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Anne LaVin's web page

  Thanks Joe!

Jack...

----------
>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anne LaVin's web page
>Date: Sat, Apr 17, 1999, 12:43 AM
>

> At 17:40 99/04/16 -0700, Origami List wrote:
>>At 20:19 99/04/16 +0000, you wrote:
>>>  How do I "Find Anne's page via Joseph Wu's page"? I've tried searching by
>>>name with no luck.
>>
>>Probably because I've got it spelled wrong in my database. I'll fix it now.
>>Sorry. Here's the URL: <http://www-japan.mit.edu/usr/lavin/origami.html>.
>
> Of course, she's moved the URL, too. Here's the correct one:
>
> <http://web.mit.edu/lavin/www/origami.html>.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Jack Mello <jmello@MEDIAONE.NET>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:23:56 +0000
Subject: Origami Sighting

  Last night's (04/16) Millennium featured origami as part of the plot line.

Jack...





From: Emily Brunson <janissa@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:33:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

At 11:23 AM 4/17/1999 +0000, Jack Mello wrote:
>  Last night's (04/16) Millennium featured origami as part of the plot line.

I think Chris Carter must be a big origami fan.  A first-season ep of "The
X Files" also featured origami as an important part of the plot.  It was
more obvious, the reference, in that one -- the origami menagerie was
critical to making the connection between the dead cop and the little girl.
 Last night's "Millennium" ep was a much more obscure usage of origami.

In any case, it's great to see it as part of the shows!  Although it gave
me a pang when Emma unfolded them...  *sigh*

Em





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:32:15 +0200
Subject: Sv:      origami sighting

I qoute:
=================================
"The Dutch newspaper 'Volkskrant' of April 15. has a cartoon on the front
page. Two people walk out of a cinema featuring 'Origami, The Movie'. One
of them says "The booklet was better". The cartoonist probably never saw
Thoki Yenn's video...

Greetings,
Sjaak"
==========================
Apparantly the Cartoonist has studied the BOS BOOKLET NO: 13
"13 Thoki Yenn Orikata"

Greetings and thanks to Sjaak

from the Great and Glorious Kalmon.
www.thok-dk





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:51:11 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Magic Tricks

>Does anyone have other ideas of magical things to do with paper-origami- that
>would be good for group viewing?  Thanks,
>
>Patty & Corey

Yes, I have a very good trick for you
You find it on the Origami Cloud in www.thok.dk
with the title: Inside Outside BOX
It's and old Magic Gag now in Origami.

It is a beautiful illusion of an impossible feat.
You take a Red Box out of Blue Box
and  then you close the Blue Box
and open the red Box and with an elegant hand movement
you put the Blue Box into the Red BOX, and put the lid on..

My good friend the British Magian and Paper Cutting Artist Arthur Day
told me that in England this Trick is called : "The Gezinta Box"
because one gets inta the other.

Apart from all that it a very nice box in itself.

Best of Luck with the performance

Greetings from

The Great and Glorious Kalmon





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:50:37 +0200
Subject: IRC Chat timetable?

Quite some time back, someone mentioned that there will be IRC chats on
origami. Of course, I forgot the server as well as the time of day. Is
this chat still actively used, and can somebody provide me with the
details? Thanks a lot,

Matthias
tanjit@bboxbbs.ch
