




From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:54:27 -0400 (
Subject: Re: ...the letter and the ballot

It would have been nice to have received "the letter" before "the ballot".
Unfortunately I received the ballot a few days before "the letter" and
promptly mailed it in.
I agree that all members should have equal opportunity to be represented on
the board.
Barbara





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:11:05 +0100
Subject: Guam

Dorothy

Did you ever get in touch with the lady from Guam? She has just renewed
her membership of the BOS as her daughter was in the UK.

Time you came to a BOS convention again, it's years since we saw you!

Best

Penny
Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:21:01 -0400 (
Subject: Re: OUSA ....

Thank you Tom for the "rest of the story."  Hopefully through continuing
dialogue changes can occur to make everyone feel satisfied with their
participation in OUSA.
Barbara





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:23:05 +1000
Subject: Seagull (was Re: Flapping Bird)

> There is another model very similar to this which I learned from a book
> a number of years ago and it was titled as a seagull. Unfortunately I
> can't remember either the book or author.

Would this be the Seagull by Laurie Bisman? This model was in the original
Kenneway "Paperfolding for Fun", before they cut the book almost in half
and republished it. The model certainly reminds me of John Smith's
flapping bird

regards,

Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:27:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Seagull (was Re: Flapping Bird)

Mark Rae wrote:

> I had a feeling it was this book after getting a copy of David Brill's
> 'Brilliant Origami'[1] and reading that his bottle was published in this
> book, as I remember the bottle and the three-masted sailing ship being
> in the same book as the bird.
>
> Also, was it this book that had a hedgehog, a spider and a fly in it as well?

Yep, paper folding for fun in the 1st edition does have all of those in it.

Perry

--
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http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with Diagrams!
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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:34:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Seagull (was Re: Flapping Bird)

Mark Rae wrote:
> I had a feeling it was this book after getting a copy of David Brill's
> 'Brilliant Origami'[1] and reading that his bottle was published in this
> book, as I remember the bottle and the three-masted sailing ship being
> in the same book as the bird.

Interestingly enough, Brill's Bottle, as diagrammed in that book, has a
different lock on the bottom than the one printed in Brill's book and in
Origami for the Connoisseur (sp?).

David, was that your change, or did someone else tweak the model?

> Also, was it this book that had a hedgehog, a spider and a fly in it as well?

Yes, it is.  I recently found a copy at Powell's (www.powells.com).  However,
I first found in several local libraries!  If none of your local libraries has
it, and if you're in the US, you should be able to locate a copy to borrow via
interlibrary loan.

The Three Masted Ship in that book is by (if memory serves) Martin Wall.  I've
never folded that one, but its the obvious thing to put into a Brill Bottle
(if made from a clear paper ;-) ).  Patricia Crawford's Three Masted Ship is
the one I've actually folded a few times.  Diagrams for it are the in the
recently reprinted-by-Dover Origami Step by Step by Robert Harbin and diagrams
for it can also be found in J.C. Nolan's Creative Origami.  JC Nolan actually
extended and simplified the folding sequence for severl of Patricia Crawford's
models.  As far as I can recall, he did not change the model itself.  I
personally prefer JC Nolan's version of the diagrams.  I should note, that the
Dover reprint of Origami Step by Step is an amazing deal.  Meaty, "hard,"
models for $3.95!  The only downside is that the diagrams are sometimes tough
to follow, and the only color photos of the models are on the covers.

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:54:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [Re: Elias Animal Base]

Dave Venables indited:

> When I put together the three Neal Elias booklets taken from Neals notebooks.

I've been meaning to thank Dave for a while for the work of putting those
booklets together.  (I'd note on the side that these are much larger (A4?)
than the A5 booklets that BOS seems to have used for everything else).

Thanks Dave!  Its wonderful to have that material available.  As others have
mentioned on this list before, these are not finished diagrams.  But they do
contain enough information to fold the models, so the term notebook is quite
appropriate.

-D'gou





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:54:52 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Folding California

Nicely said. Love Florence.





From: Michael LaFosse <info@ORIGAMIDO.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:19:47 -0400
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

Allen Parry wrote:

> I apologize, no barb intended.... on second thought, maybe it is
> intended... I think we should be hearing from them.  I am frustrated that,
> at this time, only Tom Hull is communicating.  I forgot about Michael and
> V'Ann.
>

I am just trying to be a good listener at this point.  I think that the
complaints and concerns of the members of Origami USA are important and I will
share a debate over these issues with the officers and my fellow board members
during the next several meetings.

Any Origami USA members wishing to voice their concerns to the board, through
     me,
or wish to ask me specific questions regarding these issues or any other Origami
USA activities should e-mail me directly, send a letter to me, or phone me (I am
difficult to reach by phone as I am often out doing programs or arranging
exhibits, so writing an e-mail or letter is best).  All my contact information
follows.

Respectfully,

Michael G. LaFosse
michael@origamido.com
Origamido Studio
63 Wingate Street
Haverhill  MA  01832
USA
(978) 372-1215.





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:03:31 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Robt. Neale's dollar bunny in a hat

Joyce:  Did you get a response on this?  I have the diagrams somewhere. Love
from Florence.





From: Mark Rae <m.rae@INPHARMATICA.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:50:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Seagull (was Re: Flapping Bird)

Michael Gibson wrote:
> Would this be the Seagull by Laurie Bisman? This model was in the original
> Kenneway "Paperfolding for Fun", before they cut the book almost in half
> and republished it. The model certainly reminds me of John Smith's
> flapping bird

Yes, that seems to confirm what I was thinking.

I had a feeling it was this book after getting a copy of David Brill's
'Brilliant Origami'[1] and reading that his bottle was published in this
book, as I remember the bottle and the three-masted sailing ship being
in the same book as the bird.

Also, was it this book that had a hedgehog, a spider and a fly in it as well?

    -Mark

--
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From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:10:47 +0100
Subject: Re: Guam

Sorry all, that was supposed to be private to Dorothy Kaplan!

Penny
Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Martin Liu <liumcn@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:47:29 +1000
Subject: On the lighter side... New Website

hi Russell Sutherland and other fellow folders
what convention in Paris is occurring?
 Is there any where on the web documenting the various conventions
around the world that are occurring on origami?
many thanks in anticipation
Martin Liu





From: "D.G Kent" <dg_kent@CONKNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:59:34 -0500
Subject: Re: (OT) That OUSA business

 I am a member of OUSA and am enjoying the discussion. Many of the ideas
presented are things I've wondered about.
 I made my one and only visit to the home office last April. I called
several days ahead of time  hoping to find it open while I was in NY. It
was, but the volunteer(s) was/were rude and too busy to make me feel
welcome. When I asked if it was possible to see some of the library's
origami books, I was handed a list and told to request them by mail. Just
asking to look around the room seemed to be an imposition. I was
disappointed at the time, but now can understand what happens when
volunteers are burnt out.
  I feel this list is an appropriate place to air members' concerns.
                        Thank you- Barbara K





From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:29:58 -0500
Subject: enough already

just so you all know I stopped reading all this ousa slop some time ago.
if I was that dissatisfied I just wouldn't renew and not whine about it
before the whole world.
--
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                                        - Anatoole France -





From: rikki donachie <rikki@EDNET.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:06:59 +0100
Subject: Two requests

Hi folks,

My first request is;  Pterodactyl Diagrams.  For a film project I am
working on, I have need of a lifelike origami pterodactyl. The greater
the articulation of the wings, legs and especially the jaws, the better.
I will need to fold and compare as many different designs as possible,
which probably precludes buying the twenty or more books I will, no
doubt, be told they are in. No matter, anyone out there who is going to
the BOS Spring Convention in a fortnight please bring them with you and
I will photocopy them or something. If anyone else has diagrams that
they are prepared to post to me, please e-mail me privately and let me
know the details and I will cover the costs.  Thanking you all in
advance.

My second request is: How do I know that the model I have just created
has not been done before? Is there, somewhere, a registry of models? A
bit like a patent office maybe. Could there be? I don't want to
"re-invent the wheel". For example; I have just  created a bat out of a
sheet of A4, it is not particularly difficult and I would be surprised
if someone has not done something very similar already. But how on earth
do I find out?

Kind regards,

Rikki

e- mail;   rikki@ednet.co.uk





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:28:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Herman's Famous Skull (was Gecko)

Terry Rioux wrote:

> Has Herman ever gotten around to diagramming his famous skull model, the
> one that requires a mirror to see the complete image?  This is one of
> those 'Gee Whiz, how did he ever do that!?' models.

Yes it was printed in the CDO's newsletter, which is of the highest quality
printing, number 53 of Quadrato Magico.

Perry

--
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http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:50:32 +0100
Subject: Sv: Re: gecko

I have had an e-mail from Herman van Goubergen today, if anyone wants to
e-mail regarding the gecko. him please contact me and I will pass your
e-mail address on, he has been abroad so was not able to  reply to my
message till today,

Thanks

Penny
Penny Groom
penny@sector.demon.co.uk
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Terry Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:32:48 -0400
Subject: Herman's Famous Skull (was Gecko)

Has Herman ever gotten around to diagramming his famous skull model, the
one that requires a mirror to see the complete image?  This is one of
those 'Gee Whiz, how did he ever do that!?' models.

Cheers,

Terry Rioux

Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK> said:
>I have had an e-mail from Herman van Goubergen today, if anyone wants to
>e-mail regarding the gecko. him please contact me and I will pass your
>e-mail address on





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:57:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Herman's Famous Skull (was Gecko)

At 09:32 PM 4/7/99 -0400, Terry Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU> wrote:
>Has Herman ever gotten around to diagramming his famous skull model, the
>one that requires a mirror to see the complete image?

Hermaan has diagrammed most of his famous models, and the diagrams tend to
make the rounds in the big international convention publications. the
"Skull" diagrams should be in the upcomming OrigamiUSA Annual Collection
(mirror not included).

Marc





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:22:54 +0200
Subject: Re: Two requests

Rikki wrote:
My second request is: How do I know that the model I have just created
has not been done before? Is there, somewhere, a registry of models? A

There are quite a few bats out there, and without a picture or diagrams it's
     impossible to tell whether your bat is original or an 'independent
     parallel creation'.

I don't know of a 'registry', however there is a list of models that have been
     published in books. You can search the list at the OUSA website,
     www.origami-usa.org, buy all the books mentioned (maybe you're lucky and
     they have a pterodactylos , too) and c
 mpare your model to those in the book.

Or you could simply put a picture/diagram of the model on the web, announce it
     here, and  ask whether anyone has seen this model before. Since there are
     500+ members on the list (or is this count outdated?), there's a good
     chance that, if the model exists
 already, someone has seen it. Also, it'll increase your hit counter :-).

If you don't have a homepage: Send me the file, I'll put it on my homepage at
     www.bboxbbs.ch/home/tanjit   (with credits and all, of course).

Matthias
P.S.: If this message contains any html- tags or other gibberish I apologize in
     advance and promise to shoot my MSOutlook...





From: rikki donachie <rikki@EDNET.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:29:27 +0100
Subject: Re; Two requests

Hi folks

In my first message I should have mentioned that I have Kasahara's
Omnibus and that John Montroll's Prehistoric Origami is on order. As for
photocopying, in my innocence I was expecting more than twenty
suggestions and it seemed the easiest way. In about three or four months
the creator will be asked for permission to use it publicly and will get
full credit, this is as I said a film project.

Cheers

Rikki





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:34:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Robt. Neale's dollar bunny in a hat

Florence
I did indeed receive some xeroes from Anita Barbour. I taught the model and
found that it is only suitable for a seminar table, not a classroom.

I am sending all of the comments about the diagrams to Sandy today. The
remark that i liked best from you was about switching the two colored
pieces of paper in the Star Charm. That eliminated all of the reversals and
rotates, good thinking. I have also included all of your comments in the
instructions and have made the step sequence match the drawings. I dont
know when we will see this software but at least we have done our parts
well.

Are you coming to NY in June?

Joyce





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:03:25 +0100
Subject: Re: Two requests

rikki donachie <rikki@EDNET.CO.UK> sez

> I don't want to
>"re-invent the wheel".

When you start creating origami, this is more than likely to happen. You
shouldn't let it put you off. If it's come from your imagination, it's
your design, albeit discovered independantly by others. Tactful people
will complement you & spur you on to greater things. Less considerate
people will point out exactly where & when the fold was published
before.

>I have just  created a bat out of a
>sheet of A4, I would be surprised
>if someone has not done something very similar already. But how on earth
>do I find out?

Show it around, draw *rough* diagrams & send them to people. Working on
the assumption that it may not be unique, I'd hold fire on the decent
diagrams until you've had some feedback.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:09:09 -0400
Subject: New Web site - paperfolding.com

Hi everyone!
I've been in the process of updating my Web site for quite a while now,
but now that I'm nearly finished I thought I might share it with you
before I officially "announce" it on Yahoo et al. The following sections
are fairly complete:

Diagrams - lots of links, none of my own diagrams (yet!)
Origami History (featuring Two Miscellaneous Collections of Jottings on
        the History of Origami by Daivd Lister)
Origami & Math (fine-tuned with the help of Tom Hull)
Links - Origami on the Web, mainly taken from my old site, but now
        including information about origami businesses and this list
My Work - an origami contracting job I did last summer for a trade show
        booth in Atlanta

The following sections are still works in progress:

Insects (featuring the models from Lang's _Origami Insects and Their Kin_)
Dinosaurs (featuring models from Kawahata's _Origami Fantasy_)
Books (which I hope to expand to have a separate page for each book, such
as the previous two)

I would love to get comments and feedback on the site; please click on the
link found at the bottom of each page to reach my Email page.

Oh, here's the URL:

http://www.paperfolding.com

I look forward to your comments! If you like to include a link to this
site on your Web site, that's fine, but please let me know!

Thanks,

-Eric :-P
origami@netspace.org

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From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:03:24 -0400
Subject: Well,... (Re: OUSA...)

Hi folks,

Not being a USA-citizen (however, being an OUSA-member), I may not get into
the issue too deeply, but I may say some words.

The thing that causes problems is that the USA is a very big country and
it's definitely hard to get the volunteering forces to act together and in
synchronisation.

This is a problem that surely cannot be solved in one step but requires
long preparation, a lot of cooperative work, a lot of organisation and will
take a lot of time to overcome. A transition process like that is quite
slow. And thus, _calmness_ will be required to accomplish this.

Well, that's all I wanted to say.

Happy and *peaceful* folding, Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:03:27 -0400
Subject: Re: (OT) That OUSA business

JJ wrote:

>        Yes,
>
>        Down with the american imperialism ! ! ! !
>
>         US go home !
>
>        Free Kosovo !
>
>                JJ Caaaaaasalonga

Sorry, but what do these contradictionary exclamations have to do with
ORIGAMI?

Peter Budai





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:07:50 +0100
Subject: Signing off as BOS Mag Editor

As I finish my stint as editor of British Origami I like to express my
thanks and appreciation to all those members of this list who helped me with
out with information, diagrams, feedback, criticism and ideas. I have found
the discussions continuously inspiring - particularly where I disagreed with
the opinions expressed - and many of the features commissioned for the
magazine arose out of the views put forward.

Thank you everyone!

I should also mention that the Boseditor email address will only work for a
few more days. If anyone wants to contact me in future please use my new
address davemitchell@mizushobai.freeserve.co.uk

Dave Mitchell





From: Mette Pederson <mette.pederson@TRIFOLIUM.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:16:27 -0400
Subject: *** New book and webpage!! ***

<<Caution:  Mette Pederson delurking - It's been 7 years since I've posted>>

I am pleased to announce that my third self-published origami book "Mette
Units 3" is complete!  My little printer is printing off copies as fast as
it can.  The new book will be available as soon as I return from the BOS
convention in York, England.  (If you're lucky, I might be able to fill a
few orders before I leave next Tuesday.)

What are Mette Units?  Who is Mette?
See my new web page at http://mette.pederson.com, where you will find

        -information about my books
        -pictures of the units in my books
        -info on how to get the books, or contact me
        -TOFU (Triangle Origami Folders United) page
        -origami photo album
        -backcoating paper info
        -coming soon... diagrams, more pictures

Thanks,

Mette Pederson
http://mette.pederson.com
MetteUnits@aol.com
Mette@Pederson.com





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:21:56 -0400
Subject: The case of the missing origami pages!

Hmmm...
After sending my last email I decided to actually try some of the links
on my Personal Origami Web Sites page:

http://www.paperfolding.com/links/pages.html

I've had these links for quite a while; they represented what I
thought were some of the nicest origami Web sites around (as of a few
years ago). These Web site owners gave me permission to use an image from
their site as a link to their page.

However, it seems like a number of these pages are gone! If anyone knows
where I might find these pages, or knows for certain that they no longer
exist, please let me know! The missing pages are:

Bob Shuster's Origami Page
Last seen at: http://www.webphoria.com/origami.html

The Origami Page of Edward Crankshaw
Last seen at: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~ejcranks/origami.html
(although this page gives me a "Forbidden" message, not "File not Found")

Paul Close's Origami Photo Gallery
Last seen at: http://reality.sgi.com/pdc/origami.html

Valerie Vann's Modular Origami Page
Last seen at: http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html

--------------------

Oh, and if you would like your page included on my Web site, send me an
email at origami@netspace.org. If possible, I would like to include a
picture for each link, so please also send the URL of an image that I
could use.

Thanks!

-Eric :-P
origami@netspace.org

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From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:06:32 +0100
Subject: Re: [Re: Elias Animal Base]

> I have done a few sketches of the foling sequence for the base and will
> willingly send them to anyone requesting - private emails please to
> Davevenables@usa.net

I would appreciate these diagrams, but I can wait until the York Con!
Thank you in advance...

--
Mark





From: "Deborah P. Van Treuren" <deborahv@N-JCENTER.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:35:59 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....

Allen Parry wrote:
>
> On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Dorothy Engleman wrote:
>
> > As an OrigamiUSA member, I disapprove of court action to resolve this
> > matter.  I believe it would be very destructive to our organization.  I
> > would like to see the parties involved enter into mediation such as the
> > Dispute Resolution services offered by the California Bar Association.
>
> That would be fine by me.  There is no intent by us to be distructive in
> any way.  I'd love someone with expertise (whose opinion we both respect)
> to make a judgement call on this.  The problem is, their non-response,
> non-communication seems to say to us that as they have dug in their heels
> and are unwilling to even enter into dialog.  If they continue with this
> stance...what options do we have?  I am really open to suggestions?
>
> But, hopefully, if the membership express they want non-exlusionary
> elections; making them open to any member, then they would be sensitive to
> their constituency.
>
> Allen Parry
> parry@eskimo.com

Hello All,
This discussion can surely be resolved in an amicable way? Why not just
change the by-laws like they do on hundreds of condo boards across the
nation and accommodate those persons who are willing and clamoring to
serve on it? Like we do when we need to change our constitution? We
decide on the change and vote yea or nay!  What IS all the FUSS? Just DO
IT!
Deborah Van Treuren





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:56:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Xuxa Rojas   WAS:  enough already...

Ya know Russell,

I think that you're right. XUXA does seem somewhat more articulate than
before. Hmmmmmmm ...

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell Sutherland [mailto:RGS467@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 2:44 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Xuxa Rojas WAS: enough already...
>
>
> Xuxa...
>
> Glad to see those "Hooked on PHONICS" tapes I sent are paying
> off... and I
> agree with your observation of the OUSA issue.
>
> LONG LIVE XUXA!!!!
>
> TheLoneFolder
>
> DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:09:22 -0700
Subject: Re: The case of the missing origami pages!

Hi Eric!

My WebTV browser got through to Edward Crankshaw's and Valerie Vann's
origami web sites.

Dorothy





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:47:47 +0200
Subject: Re: enough already

On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 07:29:58PM -0500, Marcus Hanson wrote:
> if I was that dissatisfied I just wouldn't renew and not whine about it
> before the whole world.

Fortunately, there are some people who do not see OUSA as some kind of
company, and who do not see themselves as mere customers. Fortunately,
these people are concerned about the state of the society and want to do
something, want to participate and want to make it better for everyone.

And you are telling them to go away? It's hard to see how societies like
OUSA (or, indeed, any other origami society) that rely entirely on
volunteer labour will survive with this kind of consumer mentality.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Xuxa Rojas <RojasXu@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:11:30 -0400 (
Subject: Re: enough already

In a rare flash of sincerity, I must disagree with you.  Non-Profit
organizations also serve "customers" in the form of membership.  Customer
service and quality standards SHOULD and DO apply to these organizations as
much as for-profit organizations.

The simple reality is that non-profits can survive for longer with a lower
quality of standard UNLESS membership contributes to help and insists on the
higher level of quality.

The alternative to a "consumer" mentality is the acceptance of a lower level
of service, which won't do much to attract new members OR inspire current
members to contribute.

The real question is: how will Origami USA and its membership adapt to change
and grow the organization?

For once, I, Xuxa, provide a commentary which is neither PRO or CON OUSA.

Xuxa





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:43:51 -0400 (
Subject: Xuxa Rojas   WAS:  enough already...

Xuxa...

Glad to see those "Hooked on PHONICS" tapes I sent are paying off... and I
agree with your observation of the OUSA issue.

LONG LIVE XUXA!!!!

TheLoneFolder

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:54:55 -0700
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

> Sorry, but OrigamiUSA's lawyer has recommended that we not discuss this
> matter publicly.

Well, folks, it looks like the OUSA board does not want to answer our
questions.  They are not going to participate in the discussion.  Its my
opinion that they have a duty to communicate with us.  Supposably, they
represent us.  I don't think I'd be too happy if my congressman answered
the people's questions with "NO COMMENT.... I've been instructed by my
arrorney not to say anything."  I think they have an obligation to respond
to us.

A long time ago we asked both Jean Baden-Gillette and their attorney,
Jorge Batista the basis for their decision of not letting the four of us
run for the board.  We still haven't heard anything.  No response...  and
I think we deserve more than that.  It reminds me of when we'd ask mom a
question, "Can I go out and play?" and she'd say "No.". We'd ask "Why?"
and her only reply is "because."  Come on folks, that didn't satiate me
when I was a kid, and it doesn't now.

I am concerned that the OrigamiUSA board is hiding behind their lawyer's
skirts.  I mentioned in earlier e-mails that we are open to suggestions
that will keep this thing out of courts.  We suggested getting an
independent opinion as to whether it was legal for OrigamiUSA to keep us
from running.  (I told you "because" didn't satiate us.  Our and other
expert opinions say that they can't.)  I don't know what they are doing?
Do they not want to work this out?  I am afraid they have "stuck in their
heels and are not going to budge".

I do appreciate VERY much Michael LaFosse openness to any of you and V'Ann
discussions with us in the past.  It is good to know that some of them are
listening to us and are taking our issues to the board to be discussed.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 20:08:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding California

-Congratulations!! It was well deserved...

Toot toot!

Folding California won an award in a major educational media festival.

Dorothy, tooting my horn





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:31:44 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

>
> On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
>
> > Sorry, but OrigamiUSA's lawyer has recommended that we not discuss this
> > matter publicly.
>
>
> Well, folks, it looks like the OUSA board does not want to answer our
> questions.  They are not going to participate in the discussion.  Its my
> opinion that they have a duty to communicate with us.  Supposably, they
> represent us.  I don't think I'd be too happy if my congressman answered
> the people's questions with "NO COMMENT.... I've been instructed by my
> arrorney not to say anything."  I think they have an obligation to respond
> to us.

I agree with you, but who says that they have an obligation to discuss this
on this public origami list? Is everyone on this list really a OUSA member?

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:19:16 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

> > On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
> > > Sorry, but OrigamiUSA's lawyer has recommended that we not discuss this
> > > matter publicly.

I'm glad that at least something has been said about the silence surrounding
this.  Thanks Marc.

> > Well, folks, it looks like the OUSA board does not want to answer our
> > questions.  They are not going to participate in the discussion.  Its my
> > opinion that they have a duty to communicate with us.  Supposably, they
> > represent us.  I don't think I'd be too happy if my congressman answered
> > the people's questions with "NO COMMENT.... I've been instructed by my
> > arrorney not to say anything."  I think they have an obligation to respond
> > to us.
>
> I agree with you, but who says that they have an obligation to discuss this
> on this public origami list? Is everyone on this list really a OUSA member?

I'm not surprised at the "lawyer's advice" comment.  It could even be true.
If The Board feels it is under legal threat then it would could be damaging to
The Board, _and_ to OUSA to speak off the cuff.

What is grating is that The Board has taken the position "What we're doing is
legal" (hear the "Nyah, and you can't make us" at the end of that?  I do.
Everytime.)  The only reason to use that excuse is because you have no better
explanation.

Because its legal?  SO WHAT!  Do _we_ really want an organization that is just
at the legal threshold of civility?  That only communicates when it is
_obligated_ too?  How about "We are doing this because X, Y, Z."?  Or "We're
doing it because its 'The Right Thing To Do.'"?

Several have already made the point that many OUSA members are not on this
list, and that many on this list are not OUSA members.  Fair enough.  If The
Board would rather speak to the entire membership through some forum, that is
fine.  Is it unreasonable to ask for them to be civil and say "Sorry, we'll
respond on <date>, in the following way..."?

-Doug





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:41:57 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

>
> Several have already made the point that many OUSA members are not on this
> list, and that many on this list are not OUSA members.  Fair enough.  If The
> Board would rather speak to the entire membership through some forum, that is
> fine.  Is it unreasonable to ask for them to be civil and say "Sorry, we'll
> respond on <date>, in the following way..."?
>
> -Doug
>
No one says YOU have to be unreasonable. Why don't YOU ask them?

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:49:49 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

At 05:54 PM 4/8/99 -0700, Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM> wrote:
>On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but OrigamiUSA's lawyer has recommended that we not discuss this
>> matter publicly.
>
>
>Well, folks, it looks like the OUSA board does not want to answer our
>questions.  They are not going to participate in the discussion.  Its my
>opinion that they have a duty to communicate with us.  Supposably, they
>represent us.  I don't think I'd be too happy if my congressman answered
>the people's questions with "NO COMMENT.... I've been instructed by my
>arrorney not to say anything."  I think they have an obligation to respond
>to us.

Sorry again. I did not mean to give the impression that OrigamiUSA was not
listening, nor intending to respond. Right now we are drafting a letter for
our membership. The board did not feel Origami-l was the proper place to
air its views, as only a portion of its mempers participate in this forum.

Marc





From: tommy <tomkat@DALLAS.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 23:43:53 -0500
Subject: Re: dodecahedron

Michael,

I have not folded the Greater Stellate Dodecahedron in _Origami_Omnibus_
nor have I seen the Fuse book with the picture of the similar modular.
However, I know a very good module for making both the small and great
stellated dodecahedra. It was discovered independently by Jeannine
Mosely and Roberto Morassi. In her original post (July 11, 1994) to the
origami mailing list Jeannine gave ascii diagrams and mentions that this
design was published in a book by Fuse on international modular origami.
You can find a copy of this post in the archives and also on Jim Plank's
web site
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/origami/origami.html

I think that this may be the module that you are looking for. It is much
more simple than Kasahara's and it meets your requirement of having a
solid finish. I've only made the small stellated dodecahedron with the
module and it turned out wonderful. I feel the same would hold true for
the great stellated dodecahedron. Try this modular fold and I think you
will find the results very satisfying.

Tommy

Michael Gibson wrote:
>
> I have been searching for the 'perfect' christmas tree star for the past
> two
> years or so, and think I have found it in the "greater stellate
> dodecahedron" in Kasahara's Origami Omnibus pg.239. By coincidence, I saw
> a similar modular on the cover of a Fuse book titled "Origami a la carte"
> (this was in a Sasuga catalogue - I no longer have it). I have searched
> the Sasuga database today to try and obtain the ISBN number - without
> luck. It seems either their translation has changed, or the book is no
> longer in stock.
>
> My question is this: are they actually the same model? (ie. the Fuse book
> is a compilation of various designers). The Kasahara model requires a lot
> of measurement and separate units to make it work. I am hoping that the
> Fuse model is a little "neater". I have seen similar stars in other Fuse
> books eg. Multidimensional Transformations, but they all have little
> "windows" of white as part of their design. I would prefer a solid finish.
>
> thanks for any help
>
> regards,
>
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
> ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
> University of Canberra
> PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Tim Piesch <faustus@SCESCAPE.NET>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 01:35:16 -0400
Subject: Re: dodecahedron

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:15 PM
Subject: dodecahedron

> I have been searching for the 'perfect' christmas tree star for the past
> two
> years or so, and think I have found it in the "greater stellate
> dodecahedron" in Kasahara's Origami Omnibus pg.239. By coincidence, I saw

I don't know if it works out to be the same as Jeannine's module - I've
mislaid my
diagram of it - but if you fold Ms. Fuse's "Little Turtle" module on page 56
of _Unit
Origami: Multidimensional Transformations_ and skip step 8, you'll have a
module
that works really well for the greater stellate dodecahedron, but less well
for the
lesser stellate dodecahedron - the flaps don't lock well. You could -
gasp! - _glue_
the modules, but really, the less said of _that_, the better.





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 05:51:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Ousa Net Discussion

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, andalar wrote:

> Hi V'Ann,
>
> >Hi, Laura,
> >
>From V'Ann:
> >Allen Parry's letter states very clearly that he intends
> >to take legal action to void the election if his wishes
> >are not followed.
>

>From Laura:
> I reread his letter twice again and I really don't see this stated so
> clearly and strongly like this.  My take on it is that he's investigating
> the legality of it but he's not ready to pounce into court.  I thought he
> also stated this thought more clearly in a subsequent email to the list.

>From Allen:

V'Ann...you must read the e-mails more carefully.  Everyone of us has said
we do not what to take this thing to court unless we are forced into it.
You were included in the inside discussion in which we were evaluating
worst case senerios...perhaps this is clouding your vision....it does not
mean this is what we want to do. What's the point of winning the war if
there is no country left?  No, we don't want to hurt OrigamiUSA AT ALL!!!
The point is; that because we haven't heard anything much at all and most
of all haven't heard the basis for why we can't run....we are assuming
OUSA is digging in their heals preparing for a legal battle.  If
discussion is closed, we may have no alternatives....  especially if
they're taking their every movement to a lawyer.  (I'm sure the lawyer
wants to make a big hunk of change off you.)  As my contract law professor
said in college, "If you have to go to court, you both have already lost
the battle."  I brought up suggestions that we look for legal arbitration,
and I meant it!  If we can avoid a legal battle in any manner, let's do.
When I wrote; I am open to suggestions to prevent this senerio, that too
was sincere.

Did you share some of our inside discussions with the board?  Perhaps that
is why they are so paranoid about legal action and are not talking? V'Ann,
those conversations were not for distribution to the board.  We included
you in the some of the discussions, because we know both you and Michael
have the same desire to see OrigamiUSA a truely national organization....
where everyone can partake in the benefits of OrigamiUSA equally.  You,
personally, have done so much to help bring that about.  We never thought
you'd pass along those confidences.  I am afraid they may have been
sent out of context.  We were just evaluating "what ifs".  If you passed
on worst case senerios, that could explain the comments being made.  Heck,
it was somebody from the board who suggested we seek advise from a New
York lawyer in interpreting the bylaws.  They stated that New York law may
be different than Washington State law.  We didn't want to leave a stone
unturned... so we got some "expert" advise.

>From V'Ann:
> >At this point, it seems clear that regardless of what
> >the board says, the words may used in legal action.
> >
> >It is not a matter of getting together to get our story
> >the same. We have little interest in entering into this
> >battle.

>From Laura:
> Well, I think the board Should have an interest in addressing this.
>
> I don't feel confident about about an organization of which I'm a member
> where the board doesn't speak to its members when its members ask
> questions.  Maybe members will push the board and/or organization to
> consider topics that it might be shying away from, but in my opinion, good
> boards address these concerns.
>
> I think Doug Philips email of Date:         Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:19:16 -0400
> speaks for me:
>
> Because its legal?  SO WHAT!  Do _we_ really want an organization that is just
> at the legal threshold of civility?  That only communicates when it is
> _obligated_ too?  How about "We are doing this because X, Y, Z."?  Or "We're
> doing it because its 'The Right Thing To Do.'"?

>From V'Ann:
> >Thank you for all your help in the past,
> >
> >V'Ann
> >
> >P.S. You may post this is you wish.

>From Laura:
> I won't post it but I will cc Allen.  I really don't want to keep stirring
> things up unnecessarily and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
> So if Allen thinks it's worth posting, that would be fine with me.
>
> Laura

Thank you Laura.  I hope this letter will bring peace to a difficult
situation.  I want to keep the cards out open on the table. As they taught
me in church, "Distrust can be a devisive tool of the devil."  I hope our
current status is just due to misunderstandings.

To me its like with married couples....If one half of the party is not
willing to talk, there is no hope in repairing a tear in the relationship.
At the end, the only ones talking are the divorice attorneys. Let's hope
we can avoid that.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 06:13:47 -0700
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

> Sorry again. I did not mean to give the impression that OrigamiUSA was not
> listening, nor intending to respond. Right now we are drafting a letter for
> our membership. The board did not feel Origami-l was the proper place to
> air its views, as only a portion of its mempers participate in this forum.
>
> Marc
>

Thank you Marc,

It looks like there may be hope.  I'm sure we all appreciate that there
may be some dialog, finally.  (I hope it is going to be dialog and not
just one way communication.)

Please address in your letter the reason why the board feels that there
should be residential restrictions placed upon board candidates,
especially in light of there being no provisions for such in the bylaws. I
think it is the major question being asked.  It's definately the question
we've been asking.  (I've made the bylaws accessible in my web page:
http://ww.eskimo.com/~parry/bylaws if anyone wants to review them.  They
are public information.)

Thanks again Marc.  I'm excited.  Perhaps we can make some progress.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 06:49:37 -0700
Subject: OUSA...the story so far

Here is my four cents on this issue:

In case the real message has gotten lost in the flurry of messages this =
week, all that some of us members are asking of the Board of OUSA is =
more accountability and wider representation.  Those are not outrageous =
demands that require the Board to retreat in bunker mentality. =20

As a member of OUSA I would like accountability of the following: =20
1.  how are membership monies allocated and information about OUSA's =
budget
2.  what are the duties of the board members.  This is not an attack on =
the current board members; I would like to know what the stated duties =
of one who serves on the board.  =20

As a member of OUSA who lives in the Pacific Northwest I would like =
wider representation on the board so that I can know that this side of =
the country is being heard.  One board member from California to =
represent all folders west of the Mississippi is not adequate.  I don't =
understand why opening board positions to those outside NYC or New =
England should be resisted so.  The argument that an "upheaval" of the =
board will undermine the organization and ruin OUSA does not say very =
much for the structure of the organization.  If OUSA is that fragile, =
then maybe a complete upheaval and revamp of the structure is necessary =
to provide the strength and stability the group needs. =20

In my "old age" (40+) the Lord has blessed me with some wisdom:  many =
hands do indeed make the work lighter and delegation is a wonderful =
thing.  If the current board is overburdened running the organization, =
then perhaps they need to add more board members or begin delegating =
responsibilities to volunteers and have board members focus on policy =
and goals.  I am completely baffled that eager and willing volunteers =
for all positions would not be heartily embraced.  The four who would =
like to run for the board have been portrayed as "power hungry maniacs =
bent on destroying the organization."  I think the reality is that these =
are people who love origami and have ideas on how OUSA can function =
better AND most importantly are willing to give of their time to serve =
on the board.  It seems insanity to turn such people away!   They should =
be embraced.  They are not demanding to be placed on the board, they are =
asking for the opportunity to run for position.=20

I would like to see board members from other parts of the country so =
that OUSA would understand there are other groups out there that should =
be served.  Here is one example of how the board could be directing OUSA =
to promote origami to the rest of the country.    I feel a twinge of =
resentment when I receive mailers announcing quarterly folding sessions =
in NYC.  I have never received a mailer for folding sessions in other =
cities.  OUSA should focus on strengthening the affiliate groups.  Why =
can't the board establish that for 1999 they will sponsor say four =
folding sessions in other cities using the affiliates to run the =
sessions.  And then actively contact groups to find out who would be =
willing to do this.  Off hand I can think of CHAOS in Chicago, Origami =
Minnesota, PAPER in Seattle, POPS in Portland, BARF, in SF, and groups =
in LA, San Diego, and Phoenix that would be able to do this.  And these =
groups only represent a portion of the country.  There are others that =
could do this also.  I know that they say there is a budget for =
affiliates to arrange activities, but the burden is on the affiliates to =
find out what resources are available, promote the idea, etc.  If OUSA =
is a national organization and there are affiliate groups, then OUSA =
should be actively using those groups to promote origami.  This is =
something the board should be directing and probably won't happen until =
there are board members who realize what is happening outside the =
northeast. =20

There is so much more that OUSA could be doing.  Two more examples:
1.  publishing members books or at least helping members get books =
published
2.  actively helping organize affiliate groups.  OUSA has a database of =
members.  They can organize the information regionally and contact =
members in a certain area to help get a group started. =20

I think the board needs more vision from members in other parts of the =
country.  I think the board members need to step back from the daily =
operations of the group and concentrate on the bigger picture: promoting =
origami to the country and meeting the needs of all members.  This can =
only strengthen the organization. =20

Mark Morden =3D=3D marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
There is love in the red letters=20
There is truth in the red letters
There is hope for the hopeless=20
Peace and forgiveness
There is life in the red letters
                dcTalk, "Red Letters"





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:47:06 -0700
Subject: OUSA letters

Greetings:

I can see valid points on both sides of the issue, but it kind of irks me
to get a ballot in the mail with only one person for each position and no
real choice.  Not even the lesser of two evils.  In this day and age of
technology, I think some other people outside of NYC, besides La Fosse and
V'Ann could take more important roles in OUSA to make it truly a National
group. While I know how important the NY volunteers are to OUSA and how it's
roots are in NY, I hope this problem can be resolved without more hard feelings.

I don't really have other complaints about OUSA since I've only been a member
two years.

Ria





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:09:01 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

> Sorry again. I did not mean to give the impression that OrigamiUSA was not
> listening, nor intending to respond. Right now we are drafting a letter for
> our membership. The board did not feel Origami-l was the proper place to
> air its views, as only a portion of its mempers participate in this forum.

Marc,
        Thanks Marc!
                                -Doug





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:40:53 +0100
Subject: INTRODUCING ALORS!

M y close friend Oliver Zachary - already known to many of you from his
frequent contributions to British Origami - has recently established a new
global origami association with which like minded individuals and groups are
now able to associate.

The acronym ALORS! stands for the ALternative ORigami Society.

ALORS! has no council or board of directors, no constitution, no meetings or
conventions, no magazine or convention pack, and best of all NO MEMBERSHIP
FEE.

Membership of ALORS! is informal and constituted solely by a meeting of
minds between its members.

If you believe that origami ought to respect the past but look to the
future,

if you fold for personal fulfilment rather than for status or money,

if you see origami as a bridge by which we can transcend our differences of
race, politics and culture,

then you are already a member of ALORS! You need do nothing else.  All the
benefits of membership are yours already.

Members - whether individuals or groups - are also free to use the ALORS!
acronym on their letterheads or publications. Personal members may wish to
state that they are Personal Affiliates of ALORS!, and groups that they are
Group Affiliates.

Oliver wishes me to make it plain that while ALORS! is his soul-child he
does not run or own it. It belongs to you, the members, to do with it what
you wish. All Oliver asks is that members hold sincerely in their hearts to
the three principles set out above.

David Mitchell





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:15:08 +1000
Subject: dodecahedron

I have been searching for the 'perfect' christmas tree star for the past
two
years or so, and think I have found it in the "greater stellate
dodecahedron" in Kasahara's Origami Omnibus pg.239. By coincidence, I saw
a similar modular on the cover of a Fuse book titled "Origami a la carte"
(this was in a Sasuga catalogue - I no longer have it). I have searched
the Sasuga database today to try and obtain the ISBN number - without
luck. It seems either their translation has changed, or the book is no
longer in stock.

My question is this: are they actually the same model? (ie. the Fuse book
is a compilation of various designers). The Kasahara model requires a lot
of measurement and separate units to make it work. I am hoping that the
Fuse model is a little "neater". I have seen similar stars in other Fuse
books eg. Multidimensional Transformations, but they all have little
"windows" of white as part of their design. I would prefer a solid finish.

thanks for any help

regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:38:25 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

Message text written by Origami List
>Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

> > On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
> > > Sorry, but OrigamiUSA's lawyer has recommended that we not discuss
this
> > > matter publicly.

I'm glad that at least something has been said about the silence
surrounding
this.  Thanks Marc.<

        I'm a bit confused -- has the lawyer advised OUSA to stay silent
because he/she's _endorsing_ a lack of communication between the board and
the members, or has he/she just told them not to say anything _yet_ until
all the legal nuances have been addressed (IOW, a statement will be
forthcoming, let's all just be patient)?

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 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:51:20 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....(Tom Hull)

Message text written by Origami List
>I'm a bit confused -- has the lawyer advised OUSA to stay silent
because he/she's _endorsing_ a lack of communication between the board and
the members, or has he/she just told them not to say anything _yet_ until
all the legal nuances have been addressed (IOW, a statement will be
forthcoming, let's all just be patient)?<

        D'OH!!!  That'll teach me to respond before reading more posts!
Marc answered this in a later post, which I didn't read 'til I'd already
sent this question.  Sorry, all!

 _,_
 ____/_\,) .. _
--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
 102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:31:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Folding California

* * * * CONGRATULATIONS DOROTHY * * * *

Can't wait to see it!!!!  Maybe there could be a viewing table at the NY
Convention????

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson
madawson@sprynet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 7:28 PM
Subject: Folding California

Toot toot!

Folding California won an award in a major educational media festival.

Dorothy, tooting my horn





From: Jacobo Bulaevsky <jacobo@MTEST.TERADYNE.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:13:06 -0700
Subject: Looking for software to do paper folding

A teacher in India asked me if I knew of any applet (or s/w)
that one can use to do paper folding like what you do with
Origami.  He doesn't want to use it for Origami but to fold
paper (on the computer) and use it to teach fractions in a
rural village in India.

Would any of you know of a site that would have an applet to
do just that or any other software that could be used?

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

Jacobo Bulaevsky
jacobo@mtest.teradyne.com
