




From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:32:49 +0100
Subject: Re: gecko

I got it from Eric. I can send it to a few who still want it.
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

> ----------
> From:         Eric Pernin[SMTP:pernin2@ART.ALCATEL.FR]
> Reply To:     Origami List
> Sent:         31 March 1999 10:06
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: gecko
>
> Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> >
> > Eric Pernin wrote:
> > >Hi folks
> > >Last week some of you have asked for a copy of the Gecko and the fly
> > >diagrams. I've sent a copy to Perry Bailey and he was kind enough to
> > >scan them and send me back a PDF file (thanks again Perry, you've
> >spared me a lot of round trips to the post office). So if anybody is
> >interested in these diagrams, I can send a copy of the file. Let me
> >know.
> >
> > I'd suggest asking Herman van Gouberghen for permission to put the
> > diagrams on a homepage. Easier to access, and you don't have to send
> > +500 e-mails out per week ;-).
> >
> > Matthias
>
> Hi Matthias
>
> This seems a good idea, but I don't know how to contact Herman. If
> anybody could be of any help, I would really appreciate. I've been
> sending this model all over the world about 30 times.
>
> What we need now is a permission from Herman and a web site to put the
> pdf file.
>
> I'm sorry I can't send this model any more as it takes me too much time.
> I couldn't think of that many people interested in this model.
>
> May be among the 30 some could afford to mail the file to the others ?
>
> Share the knowledge and be happy.
>
> Cheers
>
> Eric





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:13:28 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: gecko

The Postal Adress of:

Herman van Goubergen
Hof Van Tichelen 38,
2020 AntWerp,
Belgium

Phone 321-38276126

Kind Regards

Thoki Yenn

have a look at www.thok.dk
e-mail: thok@thok.dk





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:26:54 -0800
Subject: model of husky dog?

Greetings:

Does anybody on the list know of a model of a husky?
The closest I came was a spitz model in Isao Honda's
book The World of Origami.  Being from Connecticut; I
would like to make a husky in honor of the Champion
UCONN Huskies basketball team.  I want to give one to
my husband and one to my son for their birthdays coming
up next week.

Thanks in advance,
Ria
PS If I don't hear from anybody, I guess I'll check the
archives.





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:29:57 +0200
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 07:26:54PM -0800, John Sutter wrote:
> Does anybody on the list know of a model of a husky?

@Book{Montroll:Sculptures,
  author =       {John Montroll},
  title =        {Origami Sculptures},
  publisher =    {Antroll},
  address =      {Maryland},
  year =         {1989},
  note =         {ISBN 1--877656--02--X},
  edition =      {Second}
}

There is a husky in this book, based on Montroll's dog base.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:13:10 -0800
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

At 07:29 99/04/01 +0200, you wrote:
>@Book{Montroll:Sculptures,
>  author =       {John Montroll},
>  title =        {Origami Sculptures},
>  publisher =    {Antroll},
>  address =      {Maryland},
>  year =         {1989},
>  note =         {ISBN 1--877656--02--X},
>  edition =      {Second}
>}
>
>There is a husky in this book, based on Montroll's dog base.

Actually, it's based on his brontosaurus (apatosaurus) base, not his dog base.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Eric Pernin <pernin2@ART.ALCATEL.FR>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:57:46 +0200
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

John Sutter wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> Does anybody on the list know of a model of a husky?
> The closest I came was a spitz model in Isao Honda's
> book The World of Origami.  Being from Connecticut; I
> would like to make a husky in honor of the Champion
> UCONN Huskies basketball team.  I want to give one to
> my husband and one to my son for their birthdays coming
> up next week.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ria
> PS If I don't hear from anybody, I guess I'll check the
> archives.

So far , if I remember well, there is a model in origami sculptures by J
Montroll.

Cheers

Eric





From: Norman Budnitz <nbudnitz@DUKE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:50:16 -0500
Subject: iogami web site

A friend drew my attention to this web site that contains animated folding
diagrams for a few origami models.  The designer is Casey Reas.  Enjoy.

http://www.io360.com/v4/yo/iogami

Norm

*******************************************************************
Norman Budnitz          919-684-3592 (day)
nbudnitz@duke.edu               919-383-0553 (eve)
                                919-684-6168 (fax)

Dept of Zoology, Duke University, Box 90325, Durham NC 27708-0325 (work)
4115 Garrett Drive, Durham NC 27705-8005 (home)

PROGRESS: the victory of laughter over dogma.
(Tom Robbins, Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas)





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:54:34 -0300
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

>>From: Eric Pernin <pernin2@ART.ALCATEL.FR>
>>Subject:      Re: model of husky dog?
>>> Does anybody on the list know of a model of a husky?

>>So far , if I remember well, there is a model in origami sculptures by J
>>Montroll.

Correct. Be warned, it's a nice model but despite the name it resembles
more a generic spitz than a _siberian_ husky.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:04:35 -1000
Subject: Jan's Craftfair Schedule

I enjoyed meeting you folders on our last trip so if anyone out there is
so inclined to see me and exchange origami here is my mainland schedule
for our upcoming trip:

april 10-11   california Poppy Festival  10am-6pm
                lancaster City Park 43001 N. 10th Street West

april 16-18   Las Vegas Spring Crafters Village Festival
                cashman Center 850 Las Vegas Blvd. North
                fri. noon-7pm,   sat/Sun 10am-6pm

April 24-25   Magnolia Festival  10am- 5pm
                El Cajon, CA  Main Street

May 1           Village Street Fair   9am-3pm
                Hwy 62 in front of Community Bank
                Joshua Tree, CA

Aloha, Jan





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:45:46 -0800
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

At 13:33 99/04/01 -0500, you wrote:
>> Actually, it's based on his brontosaurus (apatosaurus) base, not his dog
>base.
>
>you could argue that his dog base is just a modified version of his
>brontosaurus base (i forget which book came first, prehistoric or
>sculptures--so it could be vice versa).

You could, I suppose, but it's quite a modification involving a rather
involved rethinking of purpose and process. You might also argue that the
frog base is a modified form the bird base...

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:57:11 -0800
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

At 20:00 99/04/01 +0200, you wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 09:13:10AM -0800, Joseph Wu wrote:
>> Actually, it's based on his brontosaurus (apatosaurus) base, not his
>> dog base.
>
>Well, John calls it "a symmetric variation of the dog base" in the
>book. You used it for your armadillo, didn't you?

Yup, that I did.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:33:20 -0500
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Joseph Wu wrote:

> Actually, it's based on his brontosaurus (apatosaurus) base, not his dog base.

you could argue that his dog base is just a modified version of his
brontosaurus base (i forget which book came first, prehistoric or
sculptures--so it could be vice versa).





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:47:46 -0700
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 31 Mar 1999 to 1 Apr 1999

Ria writes:
        <<

> Date:    Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:26:54 -0800
> From:    John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
> Subject: model of husky dog?
>
> Greetings:
>
> Does anybody on the list know of a model of a husky?
> The closest I came was a spitz model in Isao Honda's
> book The World of Origami.  Being from Connecticut; I
> would like to make a husky in honor of the Champion
> UCONN Huskies basketball team.  I want to give one to
> my husband and one to my son for their birthdays coming
> up next week.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ria
> PS If I don't hear from anybody, I guess I'll check the
> archives.>>
>
>
        A search of the Origami Model database (
http://www.origami-usa.org/frames1c.htm )
        results in a list of these three models:

        Husky by Johathan Walton (Intermediate, uses landmarking base)Origami:
     Paperfolding For Fun by Eric Kenneway page 72

        Husky by John Montroll (High Intermediate, uses dog base base)Origami
     Sculptures by John Montroll page 66

        Husky Dog by Sam Randlett; A Cohen (Intermediate, uses pinwheel
base)Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 78

        Hope this helps.

deg farrelly
Phoenix, Arizona  85029





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:00:49 +0200
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 09:13:10AM -0800, Joseph Wu wrote:
> Actually, it's based on his brontosaurus (apatosaurus) base, not his
> dog base.

Well, John calls it "a symmetric variation of the dog base" in the
book. You used it for your armadillo, didn't you?

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:07:08 -0500
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

        There's also a model of a Husky dog by Jonathan Walton in Eric
Kenneway's _Origami:  Paperfolding for Fun_ (it's in both the short and
rare extended versions).  Unlike Montroll's model, though, it's made from a
1x2 rectangle.

 _,_
 ____/_\,) .. _
--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
 102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: rikki donachie <rikki@EDNET.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:19:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami A_Z

Thank you all

Douglas Zander, and many others, wrote:

> >
>
>  Folding the Universe (Origami form Angelfish to Zen)
>  by Peter Engel
>  ISBN: 0-394-75751-3 (pbk.)

Rikki





From: MrsCalbash@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:23:12 -0500 (
Subject: Origami Oesterreich?

Gruess Gott!
Am Ende April besuche ich Wien--gibt es Papierfalter, die sich vielleicht
fuer ein Treffen interessieren?  Oder gibt es vielleicht eine Origami Gruppe,
die sich regelmaessig trifft?  Gibt es weiter vielleicht Geschaefte, die
wegen ihren Papierwaren oder sonst etwas interessant sind?
Vielen Dank fuer den Rat (Guter Rat ist ja teuer!)
Leslie Blanding

And now in English, in case any non-German speakers have knowledge of Vienna:
 I'll be visiting there in a few weeks--anybody know of anything interesting,
origami-wise, in this wonderful place?
Thanks!
Leslie





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:43:33 -0500
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

At 07:26 PM 99-03-31 -0800, you wrote:
>Greetings:
>
>Does anybody on the list know of a model of a husky?
>The closest I came was a spitz model in Isao Honda's
>book The World of Origami.

John Montroll's Origami Sculptures--the husky is perfect!

                                        CAthy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:47:33 -0800
Subject: Husky model

Greetings:

As always, the list members have come through again.
Thanks everybody for your help with this project.  I
know that the models will make the birthday cards very
special.

Happy Easter,
Ria           ^   ^





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 21:59:09 -0600
Subject: New Model

OK so it's an old model I just got around to diagraming!  Sheesh!

Here it is spring and I feel like I want to go back into
hibernation!  Any way this Model is one I did in the seventies. I
found after checking with several people I think I stole the
basic concept from Kasahara, either that or Harbin it was a long
time ago but I think it was Kasahara, well any way it is a simple
space ship that at the time seemed better to me some how, then
again there really are only so many ways to skin a cat.  I hope
you like it.  Later this month I have something from Kalie and
then later the last of the spaceships from that particular time.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:39:31 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Oesterreich?

> And now in English, in case any non-German speakers have knowledge of Vienna:
>  I'll be visiting there in a few weeks--anybody know of anything interesting,
> origami-wise, in this wonderful place?

I visited Vienna a few weeks ago, over a weekend (one point here - many
shops are closed all weekend!). I found a copy of Paulo Mulatinho's book
Neue Idee im Origami (sorry for the German, it's very rusty) in a remainder
bookshop on Wahringer Strasse, in the University District, on the East Side,
just north of the metro station. It was priced at about 150 Austrian
schillings.

A couple of blocks further north on Wahringer
Strasse, again on the East Side, I spotted a paper shop - there were some
beautiful handmade papers in the window, also elephant hide in a range of
colours, some delighful little pop-up cards - looked like a real treasure
chest for lovers of paper crafts. For me the bad news was that it was closed
(Sat. pm). This shop also has a display window in the University metro
station.

Sorry, I did not note the names of these shops. They are both just a short
(< 5 mins) walk from the University metro station.

Have a great trip!

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:35:07 -0500
Subject: Re: WALTON'S model of husky dog

At 08:07 PM 99-04-01 -0500, you wrote:
>        There's also a model of a Husky dog by Jonathan Walton in Eric
>Kenneway's _Origami:  Paperfolding for Fun_ (it's in both the short and
>rare extended versions).  Unlike Montroll's model, though, it's made from a
>1x2 rectangle.
>
>
> Jerry D. Harris

How does this model compare with John Montroll's? ( level of difficulty,
the look of finished model, etc)

                                        CAthy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:36:09 -0500
Subject: Re: WALTON'S model of husky dog

Message text written by Origami List
>How does this model compare with John Montroll's? ( level of difficulty,
the look of finished model, etc)
<

        Well, IMHO, it lacks a bit in detail compared to Montroll's,
particularly in the head (which appears slightly oversized with respect to
the body).  Overall, it's probably a little bit easier than Montroll's
model, although there's one tricky point:  Step 3 requires several double
open-sinks to produce the skinny legs.  The resultant model is cute, but
less realistic than Montroll's.

 _,_
 ____/_\,) .. _
--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
 102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:09:03 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami flower

> Anyone with a flower diagrammed on their website?  We have a taker!

Quite a few of the origami websites with diagrams have flowers,
here are a few, to get you started:

http://www.ecn.ulaval.ca/~pgon/origami/modeles/orchidee.pdf

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/

http://195.31.193.71/cdo/modelli/fiori.html

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: Daniela Carboni <s134259@STUDENTI.ING.UNIPI.IT>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 23:29:00 +0200
Subject: I have no more a web site.

My web site is down. When I set up a new page I will let you know.

Ciao,
     Daniela.

/\_/\    Daniela S. Carboni
 o o     email: s134259@studenti.ing.unipi.it
= # =    - I no longer have a web site -





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:06:13 +0100
Subject: webtv not working?

Dorothy - I'm having to contact you through this list, I thought you'd
like to know messages for  FoldingCA@webtv.net are not getting through
from over here. They seem to be held in some kind of queue, but never
get through. After 6 tries, the system rejects them.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Michael LaFosse <info@ORIGAMIDO.COM>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 17:05:10 -0500
Subject: Re: New addition to Web Page

Hi folks!

Some fun updates have been made to the Origamido Studio web site.  Visit the
     "NEW" page for listings of my up coming exhibit on Cape Cod.

We have added a gallery page that will feature a new item each month.  This
     month's feature is something unusual: images of  a 3-foot long paper
     sculpture rendition of a Strombus gallus (a
kind of seashell).  If you would like to see it then here is the link.
     http://www.origamido.com/Gallery/gallery.html  There is some text
     regarding the creation of this sculpture that you can
read while the two photos load.

Enjoy!

Respectfully,

Michael LaFosse
Origamido Studio
Haverhill,  Massachusetts





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:23:54 -0800
Subject: New Monthly Origami Meetings in CT

A new folding group has formed in Connecticut (USA)

M.O.O.D.U.S.  (Most Original Origami Designs Under the Sun)

Meets 1st Thursday of the Month at 7:00pm in the
East Haddam Free Public Library, Plains Road, Moodus, CT

Contact Claudia Martin for infromation (860) 873-9310

All are welcome!!!!!!!

>From what I hear, last months meeting was pretty outrageous with "Flying
Machines"  soaring & landing everywhere imaginable (and some unimaginable
too!)

If you live in or near the area or are just passing through stop in and join
in.

(Claudia is planning on being at Convention in June, too.)

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson
madawson@sprynet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: model of husky dog?

>At 07:29 99/04/01 +0200, you wrote:
>>@Book{Montroll:Sculptures,
>>  author =       {John Montroll},
>>  title =        {Origami Sculptures},
>>  publisher =    {Antroll},
>>  address =      {Maryland},
>>  year =         {1989},
>>  note =         {ISBN 1--877656--02--X},
>>  edition =      {Second}
>>}
>>
>>There is a husky in this book, based on Montroll's dog base.
>
>Actually, it's based on his brontosaurus (apatosaurus) base, not his dog
base.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
>t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
>w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:05:19 +0200
Subject: $$ bill folds

This is Kalmon
who has something new to show you.
A Man who likes what I am doing on the Clouds of Thoki Yenn
has sent me pictures of how he has used dollar bills
to fold the Magic Rings, you find the pictures by going to the Origami Cloud
in www.thok.dk and then click on $$ Umuliusis.
You dont have to bother about going to all the other stuff
unless you really want to, or want to find out
how to make a Silver Rectangle from a square.
Then you click on Geometry*.
This kind man Andrew Hans from U.S of A
saw that the proportions of the Long Green Stuff
are close enough to those of Long John Silver,
which is half a Silver rectangle split the long way,
So now you have the opportunity to get some real fun out of your money.

Greetings from the great and glorious
Kalmon van Balticum.





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 08:36:03 -0800 (
Subject: pornographic/panties

Looking for diagram of panties mentioned in OUSA $bill folding book. Was
done originally by magicians.
 Thanks, Mike
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:49:16 +0100
Subject: Paper airplanes

Does anyone have any information they would like to share on the following;
1       What are the inportant characteristics of paper for paper airplanes
--- thickness, density, stiffness, toughness, whatever??
2       How are characteristics like stiffness and toughness or other
related things measured in the laboratory?
3       How are these things measured on a day to day basis by model makers?
4       Specifically, what commercially available papers have you found to
be good for paper planes?
5       Any reference sources??

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Xuxa Rojas <RojasXu@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 16:54:50 -0400 (
Subject: OUSA troubles?

I received a letter the other day indicating that there might be problems
with OUSA and the West Coast?  Has anyone else received this?  What is
happening?

Xuxa





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 16:55:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Paper airplanes

My Girl Scout troop recently did a series of activities with different
designs of paper airplanes.  We worked with a Xerox engineer on a flight
project.  We used standard photo-copy paper.  The success of a given
type of paper is dependent on the fold, as is the case with all
origami.  We made some planes that had minimal folds, and the single
layer of photocopy paper was flimsy and not stiff enough for some
designs.  Another model required several folds, and it was difficult to
get an accurate model because it became too thickly layered.  Another
design worked fairly well with the photocopy paper.

There are others on this list who have much more experience with paper
airplanes than I do, hopefully they will contribute more.
--
  E Kort
  Rochester, NY





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:27:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Paper airplanes

>Does anyone have any information they would like to share on the following;
>1       What are the inportant characteristics of paper for paper airplanes
>--- thickness, density, stiffness, toughness, whatever??
>2       How are characteristics like stiffness and toughness or other
>related things measured in the laboratory?
>3       How are these things measured on a day to day basis by model makers?
>4       Specifically, what commercially available papers have you found to
>be good for paper planes?
>5       Any reference sources??
>
>
>
>Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
>TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
>WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
><<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc

Dear Martin,  I have used ordinary letter size copy paper for folding my
SST.  I have also found that slick magazine pages are of the right weight
and consistency.  If you will look at the last pages of Modern Origami
republished by Dover Publcations in 1997, you will find three variations of
my SST with discussions of pros and cons of various features.  The SST won
the design prize at the first international paper airplane contest and did
not have to meet any flying tests and Time Magazine reported that it was
"unflightworthy."  But it does fly well.  If you wish I can send you an
autographed  copy of Modern Origami if you will send me $13.  James M.
Sakoda, 411 County Road, Barrington, RI 02806-2423





From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:40:01 -0500
Subject: Re: OUSA troubles?

Xuxa Rojas wrote:
>
> I received a letter the other day indicating that there might be problems
> with OUSA and the West Coast?  Has anyone else received this?  What is
> happening?
>
> Xuxa

I received the letter.
But I don't know what is up exactly.
something to do with being geographicaly unable to reap all the
benefits.
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From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 19:09:30 -0400 (
Subject: Re: :  What is it good for from Dorigami

What is origami good for......it just rescued my mental life over and over
again for the last 39 years  during severe times of trauma and as if that
isn't enuf it has brought me wonderful friends, opportunities to travel, deep
satisfaction in the 1000's of people I have taught, a passion for something
that has kept me interested and enthusiastic all of this time.....I hope it
will bring me an afterlife too because hopefully the people I have taught
will in turn teach others.
        In long range plans,  I expect to be the most popular old lady in the
nursing home if I ever have to go into one because all I will need is a
little piece of paper and I can make friends with everyone and give them
little pressies.  (presents).
        And most of all, look at all of the new friends we have made by being
on this Origami-L.  This is an extra special bonus I never expected when I
made that first little W out of a dollar bill...... that's all folks!
Dorigami





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:03:22 -0700
Subject: Re: OUSA ....

If this is going to be discussed on the list, will someone please post
the letter.  Thank you.

Dorothy





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 22:06:00 -0700
Subject: ...the letter

On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> If this is going to be discussed on the list, will someone please post
> the letter.  Thank you.

-------------------------------

It's Not OrigamiNY...it's OrigamiUSA!

So, why be a member of OrigamiUSA?  What do you get for your membership?

In the last newsletter, the OrigamiUSA board expressed their attitude
toward your membership benefits (especially if you live outside the New
York area).  The following is from an article written by Lin Balinsky, the
OUSA's board representative on membership.  The article is titled "About
Membership".

"Where, I am often asked, does my membership money go?  The answer is: to
The Paper.  Where else?  Well actually that's it.  If you are an
individual member, your dues cover the cost of producing and mailing The
Paper, with little or nothing left over."

Are you being told that you should not expect anything more than a
newsletter?  We say, NO!  The truth is that each issue of "The Paper"
costs a little over a dollar apiece to produce and postage is
approximately 50 cents to mail.  So, then, who does benefit from your
membership fees?

As a non-New York member of OrigamiUSA ...

-- You can't run for board elections (this year, it is only New York
people who can run).

-- You can't serve on committees.

-- You can't volunteer.  (At the last Annual Meeting, someone asked about
volunteering from outside the NY area and it was made clear that the board
was only interested in NY volunteers.)

-- You get notices for Special Events and activities, that you can attend
(if you're rich and can afford the airfare to fly across the country for
the New York based events).

-- There is a great collection of rare origami books, and you can view
them if you are in New York.  The lending library is available for the
more common books, but by the time you get them, its time to mail them
back. Not mentioning the cost of the postage.

-- If you volunteer, you can get a unlimited pass to the American Museum
of Natural History.  The same pass, many times, also gets you into museums
across the country for free.  Oh, I forgot, you can't volunteer.

-- Sometimes you get a newsletter that tells you things about people that
you have never met. Their names are bolded, but you have no idea who they
are.  You don't know them, because you don't live in New York.

The top affiliate leaders across the country have had it!
It's not OrigamiNY, it's OrigamiUSA.

We want OrigamiUSA to be a resource to the entire country, not just to one
region. We want national representation on the OrigamiUSA's board.
"No taxation without representation!", just like the Colonies cry of
unfairness, back in 1776.

We are challenging the legality of OrigamiUSA restricting elections to
only those residing in the New York area. We've asked a New York attorney
(with 35 years experience in non-profit corporate law) to review
OrigamiUSA's bylaws.  He says they can't do t hat.  So...
Steve Buck of Washington D.C., Sandy Toivonen of Ann Arbor, Michigan,
Carol Martinson of St. Paul, Minnesota and myself, Allen Parry of Seattle,
Washington submitted our nominations to run for board positions.  We want
you to vote for us.

The board has thumbed their noses at us.

---- page 2----

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO:

You should be getting your OrigamiUSA ballots soon.  Since OrigamiUSA is
not allowing us to be on the ballot, we are asking you to put our name on
the ballot as write-ins. The OrigamiUSA board will not accept it, but your
voice will be heard.  In addition, if you can, slip in a note to Jean
Baden-Gillette voicing your opinion. Your voice will make a difference.
Enclosed you will find an addressed envelope to send it in.

ORIGAMI BACKGROUND ON CANIDATES

ALLEN PARRY (Washington) - I am running along with top affiliate leaders:
Steve Buck, Sandy Toivonen and Carol Martinson because we want change. As
members of the "national" organization, OrigamiUSA we want nation wide
representation and equal benefits to all members, whether they live in New
York or another part of the country. It's not OrigamiNewYork, it's
OrigamiUSA. You can bring fairness to OrigamiUSA by expressing your voice
in voting for these people and myself.

Origami background: Co-founder of the Seattle origami group P.A.P.E.R.,
took a major role in Logistics of the New York convention for the last 3
years, board member of PCOC convention, co-chair of this year's West Coast
origami convention, and a leading designer of dollar bill origami.

STEPHEN BUCK (Maryland) - A long time member of OrigamiUSA, since 1988.
Leader of Capital Folders, an affiliate group local to the Washington D.C.
area.  I have taught Origami in various venues, such as community
festivals, a community college course and I did a video series for
Virginia Satellite Education Network.

CAROL E. MARTINSON (Minnesota) - I have OrigamiUSA membership number #118;
one of the earliest members of OrigamiUSA. A committed leader in Origami
and I am looking to bring changes to OrigamiUSA so that "all" members will
benefit equally. Currently a board member of Origami Minnesota, a large
affiliate group in Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I have previously
functioned as Treasurer and long time publisher of the group's newsletter.
I first began folding when I was 9 years old, after discovering one of
Florence Sakode's small origami books in a department store.

SANDY TOIVONEN (Michigan) - I have been a member of Origami USA for 13
years.  Since the first year, I have attended the annual conventions and
helped with the model menu and taught.  Currently, I am leading the Ann
Arbor Society for Origami as well as other monthly meetings at local
libraries.  I am interested in ensuring that origami is accessible and
shared by everyone of all abilities - everyone should be able to
experience the wonder of creating something out of a sheet of paper!





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:19:46 -0400
Subject: OUSA ....

As has been intimated recently on this list, there is a growing level
of dis-satisfaction with Origami USA.  I too have received "the letter"
and I think it is a topic worthy of discussion.  No, not because I
think this is a US centric list, but because I think dialog about
origami organizations in general benefits us all.  If those outside the
US can provide those of us in the US with examples of how their
organizations run, maybe someone from a different country will get an
idea, and we can all benefit.

Those of you who think this list should just be about "how do I get
past step 300 of the latest mega complex model" or "When is the latest
<author>'s book due out" or other such issues, well, you've probably
already tuned out by now.  If origami weren't a social activity, we
wouldn't even bother with this list, let alone with creating local and
regional, and yes, even national organizations.  Nuff 'said 'bout that.

I found Allen's letter to be very refreshing.  What indeed do I gain from
being a member of OUSA?
        A few issues a year of The Paper.
        The right to attend the annual convention.
        A 10% discount on supplies.
        Access to a rather baroque and very difficult to use lending library.
        [Many of these points were made in Allen's letter.]

What is most disturbing is that the main office doesn't seem to want to
expand their vision beyound the New York skyline.

I've been to a handful of conventions.   I've taught at the last two,
volunteering my time as well.  I know some of the people in the main
office.  They are volunteers there, just as I am in my local origami
organization.  They aren't paid.  They aren't working from penthouse
apartments on Park Avenue.  They are overworked, and probably under
appreciated.  So it is with mixed feelings that I have written this
message.

The question is, what are they overworking themselves for?  As far as I
have been able to determine, it is for the greater New York area
origami community.  The benefits to members outside of that area are,
as listed above, rather uncompelling.  I know at least six folders in
the Pittsburgh area who don't belong because they find no reason too.
Some have tried for a year or two, but quit.

What I find just beyond comprehension is why OUSA would restrict its
board membership.  Do other national organizations really do this?  Do
you have to live within an hour or two of the "main office" to be a
board member?  I'd like to know how BOS and CDO and _ALL_ of the other
national organizations around the world govern themselves _and_ benefit
their far flung members.

Do I appreciate the work that happens in NYC to put on the national
conventions?  Hell Yes!  And to keep the day to day office
administrivia going?  Of course...

So it is with mixed emotions that I've undertaken to write this
message.  I appreciate the volunteer labor.  But I'm saddened that it
isn't directed towards the entire membership.

I urge other US folders to speak up, here on this list, and but
especially to the OUSA board and let us (and the BOARD!) know what you
like, what don't you like.  Why are you a long distance member?  What
do you get out of it?  Why aren't you a member?  What would entice you
to join?

Again, I would also like to know more about how other national organizations
are run.

Thanks,
        -Doug





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 04:58:48 -0400 (
Subject: Origami USA

Letters have been written expressing some disquiet about the policies of
Origami USA and what it provides for members who live outside New York and
nearby states.. It has been asked how other origami societies manage their
organisations. Perhaps as one resident in another country, I may be allowed
to comment. I may add that I have been in contact with the Origami Center and
The Friends from many years and am myself a member of Origami USA. I was
also, for many years a member of the Council of the BOS.

The present complaints are nothing new. From the very beginning in 1958, the
Origami Center was based in New York and although she tried to encompass
paperfolders throughout the United States, and, indeed, the world, Lillian
Oppenheimers effectiveness could only be of a limited extent outside of New
York. What she achieved largely arose out of her own personality and by
virtue of the prodigious amount of correspondence she conducted.

Nevertheless, while people from all over the United States from California,
to Seattle, to Illinois and many other places were in touch with the Origami
Center, the Origami Center could do little to organise functions for those
remote from New York. Many of the famous paperfolders of the 1960s and 1970s
worked in isolation and by correspondence. People like Thelma Mason, Jessie
Seto and Francis McNaul formed their own correspondence circles. One of the
solutions was to form local groups, one of the first of which was the West
Coast Origami Guild. But the actual contacts with New York were not
particularly close. Fred Rohm helped to organise some of the early
conventions even though he was not resident in New York.

If people living away from New York wanted anything to happen then it was
obvious that they must organise it themselves. And in fact there was a
widespread growth of local organisations and groups that did this very thing.
Many of them still exit and are doing sterling work today, some affiliated to
OUSA, others not.

Lillian herself and subsequently the Board of the Friends and of OUSA have
always been conscious that if they are to be a national organisation, then
they must be seen to be one. But if has not been easy. A policy has been
adopted of recruiting to the Board members from different parts of the United
States. But this does not solve the problem. It is one thing to be elected to
the Board; it is quite another to be able to travel long distances to attend
Board Meetings, at any rate frequently. But what in practice can the Board
actually do to serve members I other parts of the United States? If it wishes
to sponsor a regional convention, then of necessity the actual administration
must fall upon local people, as, for instance with PCOC. The most that the
Board could do was to offer advice and  some practical help, especially
during the actual Conference.

All this derives from the fact that the United States is physically a very
extensive country. Here in Britain, the British Origami Society covers a much
smaller area, but it still meets the same problems.. Members of the Council
come from all parts of England, but there are no members from the remoter
parts, such as Ireland or Scotland. The Council has always met in places
which are reasonably central (currently London, which may not be central, but
which is reasonably accessible by train).. in practice, the BOS is run by a
fairly nation-wide council, but between meetings the Officers of the Society
have to communicate by e-mail of telephone. In a larger county, much of this
would not be possible. Despite, it has been necessary to encourage smaller
local groups (or "mini-meetings"  as they are called over here), to provide
hands-on origami for local people.
In the West, we like to go under the illusion of democratic control. In
practice this is an illusion. When it comes to appointing a committee, it is
not so much the people the general membership want to elect who are appointed
as those who are willing to offer their services. One finds that the
committee is to a great extent self-perpetuating, but only because of the
shortage of volunteers. It is only at times of real crisis that the general
membership is galvanised into exerting its theoretical democratic authority.
There is not maliciousness on anybodys part her. It is merely a matter of
finding a way that will work.

Other origami societies have their own way of working. Very often one finds
that at the centre there is a small hardworking group which manfully strives
to keep things going. In another country there may be rival groups, often
depending on clashes of personalities. In a large country, like Russia, one
finds that local groups form in large cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg,
but that no organisation has anything like national control.

So what should be done in the United States.? My own suggestion would be to
encourage a federal system, with regional organisations responsible for
organising things in their own areas, but with Origami USA remaining as an
umbrella organisation. This is, in fact, nearly what exists today. The
central organisation must, however, be made up of representatives from the
regional bodies and not dominated by people living in the New York area. This
implies that New York itself should have its own regional organisation.

Having said this, I know that a federal organisation is not easy to keep in
balance. I know that there is the ever-present problem of finance. There are
also the questions about how libraries shall be administered, magazines
published and books made available for sale. Should these be the
responsibility of the regional organisations or should they be placed under
the control of the central organisation?

But in all this, it must be remembered that with exceptionally few
exceptions, all origami enthusiasts are volunteers. There is no state,
commercial or academic funding to finance conferences, air flights or
residential meetings. We have to achieve what we are able with what
volunteers, resources, and goodwill are available. Before complaining too
much about the set-up that is in being and functioning  (albeit not to
everyones complete satisfaction) think what would be involved in recasting
the system. Think how any re-organisation would be achieved. And think what
might be lost if  the new system failed. A bird in the had is worth two in
the bush.

David Lister.
Grimsby, England





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:52:18 -0400
Subject: Re: ...the letter

>
> WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO:
>
> You should be getting your OrigamiUSA ballots soon.  Since OrigamiUSA is
> not allowing us to be on the ballot, we are asking you to put our name on
> the ballot as write-ins. The OrigamiUSA board will not accept it, but your
> voice will be heard.  In addition, if you can, slip in a note to Jean
> Baden-Gillette voicing your opinion. Your voice will make a difference.
> Enclosed you will find an addressed envelope to send it in.=20

Who supposedly was supposed to receive the above letter?

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:19:54 -0400
Subject: Re: OUSA ....

On 4 Apr 99, at 23:19, Doug Philips wrote:

> Again, I would also like to know more about how other national organizations
> are run.

Well, I don't know about other-countries, nor origami organizations, but
I can mention how two nat'l orgs that I've served as a director for were
organized [both much the same way, actually]:

The boards only meet *once* per year, and it was at the association's
annual meeting.  For one of the groups, the meeting is always in the same
place; for the other the meeting moves around the country.   During the
year, if director/board business arose, it'd be dealt with by phone calls
and/or USmail, these days email.

I don't know enough about what origami associations have to do during the
year to know if that kind of board organization would work, but I can
attest that it does allow far-flung directors to participate.  And while
I find it rather less convenient and a bother, moving the annual meeting
around does help make the association feel more 'nationwide'  [for me,
living in a place poorly served by any sort of transit and mostly tied
down to the farm, what it does is highlight just how @#%$@#$% large the
US is...:o).]

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: =?koi8-r?B?4dLUxc0g89nSz8Xey8/X08vJyg==?= <stal@GLASNET.RU>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:22:12 +0400
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 3 Apr 1999 to 4 Apr 1999

sign off ORIGAMI





From: Bob Stack <Noobob@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:23:06 -0400 (
Subject: Re: What is it good for

An addendum to all that has been said.

       For the elite of Origami it offers unlimited crewative possibilities.
For those of us ordinary mortals it allows us to feel creative.

                        Bob





From: Bob Stack <Noobob@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:36:19 -0400 (
Subject: Re: gecko

I would like the diagrams if you would be so kind.   I wasn't in on the
beginning of this  so-----if they are your, (or anyones who might read this)
and you are interested in publishing them you can submit them to OUSA for
consideration for inclusion in the Annual Collection.
