




From: Jeff DeHerdt <jadeherd@IUPUI.EDU>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:53:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Paper Tips

> Indeed, wrapping paper can be excellent for folding.
> Be careful though, because more and more often you will
> find that stuff sold as "wrapping" is NOT paper. This is
> extra true of foils.

        One note about wrapping papers: be sure to get the kind without a
thick glossy finish. The finish tends to crack when folded, leaving you
with a permanent record of every fold made.
        I've used the Christmas foil used to decorate doors and had good
luck with it, it seems slightly thicker than some of the foil "wrapping".

> A friend "aquired" a fabulous role of white paper that was
> the unused balance of paper used to line the aisle of a church for a
> wedding.

        I have a wedding May 29 and thought of lining an aisle with paper.
But wouldn't this make a "crunchy" sound as the wedding party walked down
the aisle?8-{

> I have had good luck with wrapping paper even foils, shipping brown
> paper rolls and an old roll of doctor's office exam table paper
> (white)..

        Where did you find the doctor's office exam table paper?

                                Jeffrey DeHerdt





From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:29:17 +0100
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

Hi all,

Brett Askinazi already had a pointer to a picure and diagrams for a "Bucky
Ball", but he did not explain wat it is. The link was:

>I have a picture of a completed model made from Thomas Hull's modules on my
>website.
>
>http://home.i1.net/brett/origami.modular.html
><http://home.i1.net/brett/origami.modular.html>  and a link to his website
>where the diagrams can be obtained.  Click the thumbnail for a full sized
>picture.

Snipped from the original message by <ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM>:

>try to find out.  I know it has to do something with pentagons and
>chemistry.

That is right. A bucky ball is a molecule consisting of 60 carbon atoms in the
shape of a soccer ball. It consists of pentagons and hexagons. I have not
looked at Thomas Hull's modules but you could make it from any hexagon and
pentagon modules with the same length of the sides that can be linked
together. (Look at a real soccer ball to see how the units are linked)

And for the American-Football lovers among us, there also exists a larger
version of this molecule, with 70 carbon atoms, in the shape of an
american-football ball.

Greetings,
Mirjam van Vroonhoven
mirjamv@theochem.kun.nl
http://www.theochem.kun.nl/~mirjamv/
--------
All theoretical chemistry is really physics;
and all theoretical chemists know it. -- Richard P. Feynman





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:08:17 -0800
Subject: Re: cuckoo

At 14:23 1999-03-17 -0300, you wrote:
>Probably you're mentioning Lang's "Black Forest Cuckoo Clock",
>decorated with leaves and a stag head. Surely it's not published
>in any of his books, and probably it was never "properly"
>diagrammed. Legend says one of the very few finished models was
>lost or badly damaged in a housefire (tragic, ain't it?)

I'm fairly certain that the BFCC has been diagrammed, but it has not yet been
published. As to the "legend", it is a true story. As of 1994, there were only
2 finished BFCC's in existence, both folded by Robert (there may be more now).
One of them was given to Toshi Aoyagi for his help in bringing Robert to Japan.
When Toshi's apartment was destroyed by fire, the BFCC was one of the few
things that was saved. It suffered some smoke and water damage, but has since
been restored.

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From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:09:24 -0500
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

Hi,

As a chemist, of course I've been following the discussion
thread regarding bucky balls.  It occurred to me that there
is one aspect of "bucky ball chemistry" (the technical name
is "fullerines" after Buckminsterfuller, the inventor of the
geodesic dome) which might be amenable to origamic
investigation --- namely that the stability of fullerine
structures is related to the presence of pentagons.  I can't
go into this too deeply (because I don't know too much about
this aspect of the problem) but hexagons joined together will
tile a plain.  Making the hexagons fold around into a sphere
or American football or other closed figure in a geometrically
stable way requires the introduction of shapes other than
hexagons.  Some fullerine stuctures involve squares and/or
heptagons --- but it is the structures with well placed
pentagons which lead to special stability.  Can anyone add
anything?  Tom Hull from the math end?  Other chemist folders
out there?  (I think that Buckminsterfuller may have written
on this subject.)

                   Have a nice day,
                         Mark
--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:21:36 -0600
Subject: Re: Der Falter - free

>It turns out that 4 International Reply Coupons covers the postage to
>the States. No idea what that will cost you,

 $1.05 each.

-Jane





From: "Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:37:14 -0600
Subject: Re: cuckoo clock

The BFCC has been diagrammed (I beta tested the diagrams for Robert) but
they are not available for release (to my knowledge). There is at least a
3rd finished version (my own) but as it is a first try, it is not of the
quality I would use for display. Robert gave me the diagrams as a challenge
(I had taught his action Cuckoo Clock at an Origami convention and I folded
a miniature of it for him and gave it to him during my visit with him in
California). The challenge was to fold a miniature of the BFCC. The one I
folded took me about 14 hours to fold but I guess I have to try again
because I WILL fold it in miniature one day :-D. (I miniaturize by
converting his suggested dimensions in inches to centimeters [a 2.5x
reduction]). Hopefully I will finish it before Robert is too old to be able
to see it.

Ron (I'm a masochist) Levy

> ----------
> From:         Joseph Wu[SMTP:josephwu@ULTRANET.CA]
> Reply To:     Origami List
> Sent:         March 17, 1999 12:08 PM
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: cuckoo
>
> At 14:23 1999-03-17 -0300, you wrote:
> >Probably you're mentioning Lang's "Black Forest Cuckoo Clock",
> >decorated with leaves and a stag head. Surely it's not published
> >in any of his books, and probably it was never "properly"
> >diagrammed. Legend says one of the very few finished models was
> >lost or badly damaged in a housefire (tragic, ain't it?)
>
> I'm fairly certain that the BFCC has been diagrammed, but it has not yet
> been
> published. As to the "legend", it is a true story. As of 1994, there were
> only
> 2 finished BFCC's in existence, both folded by Robert (there may be more
> now).
> One of them was given to Toshi Aoyagi for his help in bringing Robert to
> Japan.
> When Toshi's apartment was destroyed by fire, the BFCC was one of the few
> things that was saved. It suffered some smoke and water damage, but has
> since
> been restored.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Peter Mielke <peter@DOE.UTORONTO.CA>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:24:09 -0500
Subject: Re: cuckoo

> Probably you're mentioning Lang's "Black Forest Cuckoo Clock",
> decorated with leaves and a stag head. Surely it's not published
> in any of his books, and probably it was never "properly"
> diagrammed. Legend says one of the very few finished models was
> lost or badly damaged in a housefire (tragic, ain't it?)

This is the fire at the Japanese Paper place and Toshi Aoyagi's
apartment. The cuckoo clock did survive as a number of things fell on the
box in which it was. Having seen it afterwards not beforehand, i can't
comment on the difference (it may have been partially crushed). But it
certainly is a beautiful piece.





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:23:48 -0300
Subject: Re: cuckoo

>>From: Eric Pernin <pernin2@ART.ALCATEL.FR>
>>Subject:      cuckoo

>>Is anybody here knows about this cuckoo-clock ? By the way do you know
>>if the diagram has been published in a book or not ?

Probably you're mentioning Lang's "Black Forest Cuckoo Clock",
decorated with leaves and a stag head. Surely it's not published
in any of his books, and probably it was never "properly"
diagrammed. Legend says one of the very few finished models was
lost or badly damaged in a housefire (tragic, ain't it?)

>>Here is my private e-mail : eric.pernin@art.alcatel.fr
I'd answer privately, but I've a related question to Robert or other
folders. I was eagerly expecting him to publish the BFCC in O.in Action.
Does anyone know whether it _is_ an action model?

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: "Deborah P. Van Treuren" <deborahv@N-JCENTER.COM>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:54:42 -0500
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

Casida Mark wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As a chemist, of course I've been following the discussion
> thread regarding bucky balls.  It occurred to me that there
> is one aspect of "bucky ball chemistry" (the technical name
> is "fullerines" after Buckminsterfuller, the inventor of the
> geodesic dome) which might be amenable to origamic
> investigation --- namely that the stability of fullerine
> structures is related to the presence of pentagons.  I can't
> go into this too deeply (because I don't know too much about
> this aspect of the problem) but hexagons joined together will
> tile a plain.  Making the hexagons fold around into a sphere
> or American football or other closed figure in a geometrically
> stable way requires the introduction of shapes other than
> hexagons.  Some fullerine stuctures involve squares and/or
> heptagons --- but it is the structures with well placed
> pentagons which lead to special stability.  Can anyone add
> anything?  Tom Hull from the math end?  Other chemist folders
> out there?  (I think that Buckminsterfuller may have written
> on this subject.)
>
>                    Have a nice day,
>                          Mark
> --
> *-------------------------------------------------------*
> |          Mark E. Casida                               |
> |                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |
> *-------------------------------------------------------*
Mark,
As a person who lives in a geodesic dome, I can confirm what you are
saying about the presence of hexagons and pentagons. The hexagons, as
opposed to squares, yield a much rounder figure. if you use a five
repeater(on the hex) you will be quite satisfied with the results. The
dimensions on the hex are equal lateral triangles. the pentagons require
the same dimension as the side of the hex that connects and slightly
longer sides. Good luck with your project.... Deborah Van Treuren





From: Eric Pernin <pernin2@ART.ALCATEL.FR>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:35:20 +0100
Subject: cuckoo

Hi

I'm a new member to this newsgroup and it seems to be a good opportunity
to tak to other folders around the world. I've been folding for a long
time and one day I came across a snapshot of a cuckoo-clock made by
Robert Lang in a japonese book called ORU. This cuckoo was not the one
you can find in the complete book of origami by R Lang. It was much more
decorated and looked more difficult. Unfortunately the text was in
japanese and the only thing I could grab was that it had been fold using
a rectangle 1x10.
Is anybody here knows about this cuckoo-clock ? By the way do you know
if the diagram has been published in a book or not ?

Any answers are welcomed (I hope that my english is not too bad :)

Eric

Here is my private e-mail : eric.pernin@art.alcatel.fr





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:48:13 -0300
Subject: Re: cuckoo

Thanks to Joseph, Ron & Peter for setting the record straight.
Is it related to the destruction of a lot of copies of the T.rex book?

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

P.S. See Joseph, this time it's neither you nor Robert in the
nagging counter :)





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:18:41 -0800
Subject: Re: cuckoo

At 17:48 99/03/17 -0300, you wrote:
>Thanks to Joseph, Ron & Peter for setting the record straight.
>Is it related to the destruction of a lot of copies of the T.rex book?

Yes, it was the same fire.

>P.S. See Joseph, this time it's neither you nor Robert in the
>nagging counter :)

For which I'm eternally grateful. 8)
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From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:04:54 -0700
Subject: David Shall's 5-Point star

Sonia Wu wrote:

<<Frank Beck, of our little Sarasota Florida origami club, would like very
much to obtain diagrams for the 5-Pointed Star designed by DAVID (not
Michael) Shall (apparently in a taxi on the way to a convention, legend
has it).

DISCLAIMER:  I'm pretty pathetic at things computerish; my attempts at
searching the archives for this would probably have drawn either hearty
guffaws, arch looks, or embarrassed harumphings from most of you.  So if
anyone can point me in the direction of the appropriate OUSA Convention
Annual or other book that houses the diagram, I'd be mightily grateful. >>

I *might* have a copy of that diagram.  (I have most of David's unpublished
diagrams)

I will check this weekend and let you know.

deg farrelly, Associate Librarian
Media / Women's Studies / Document Delivery Program Manager
Arizona State University West
4701 West Thunderbird Road, P.O. Box 37100
Phoenix, Arizona  85069-7100
Phone:  602.543.8522   |   Fax:  602.543.8540   |   E-Mail:  deg@asu.edu





From: "Ducharme, Faron" <duchf@UNITRODE.COM>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:50:26 -0500
Subject: FW: Looking For Books

Thank you for helping me locate those books.

faron





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:16:38 -0500 (
Subject: Re: cuckoo

Joseph & Co. have already answered most of the questions people have asked
about this model, but I will summarize and fill in a few gaps:

1. The Black Forest Cuckoo Clock is made from a 1 x 10 rectangle.

2. There are two folded display models in existence. One is in my house
(that's the one in all the published photos). The other (which I folded on an
episode of "Naruhodo the World" in 1992) survived (with slight water damage)
the fire that wiped out Toshi's apartment. I restored it (the cuckoo clock,
not the apartment) and, except for a slightly charred odor and some ashes
wedged in the cracks, it's as good as new.

N.B. Even if you can't smell it you can tell the two models apart because the
bird in Toshi's model has an open beak. I figured that part out a few years
after the original.

N.B.#2: I folded the original model in 1987 in Germany and through several
household moves, widely varying humidity, and no particular protection from
indirect sunlight, it looks the same now as it did when first folded; a
testimony to the staying power of Zanders Elephantenhaut paper when wet-
folded.

3. There are no published diagrams. I started diagramming it many years ago
and will probably publish them in a book that is 2 or 3 years away. For what
it's worth, my initial diagrams ran about 240 steps and 40 pages. At the time,
that seemed like a lot; in today's era of dinosaur skeletons, it's nothing
special!

4. The BFCC is not an action model (the original Cuckoo Clock was). I designed
the model to be wet-folded (i.e., for show) so there was no value added by
putting in an action mechanism that would seize up when the paper dried.

N.B.#3: Fumiaki Kawahata has also come up with a BFCC of his own, which is on
display at Gallery Origami House. His has a distinctive Tanteidan-style stag
head and the leaves on the sides come in clusters of three.

N.B.#4: The original cuckoo clock came out of a failed attempt at making a
grandfather clock with an action ticking pendulum (squeeze the case slightly,
the pendulum ticks). As far as I know, the subject remains unconquered.

Robert J. Lang





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:35:59 -0500 (
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

In a message dated 99-03-17 10:11:32 EST, you write:

>  It occurred to me that there
>  is one aspect of "bucky ball chemistry" (the technical name
>  is "fullerines" after Buckminsterfuller, the inventor of the
>  geodesic dome)

I've always seen that spelled fullerenes, -ENE not -INE.
Are you sure of your spelling?

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura





From: Bonnie V Raymond <bonnie275@JUNO.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:03:31 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Hi Everyone Need Some Help

Hi

I'am just learning to do Origami.I would like to get some easy diagrams
to fold.My son who is 10 like to fold to.So we do it together.Love to
hear from anyone that could point me in the right direction or could send
us some copies.
Thanks everyone

Have a good Day
Bonnie Raymond
PO Box 264, 153 Lower Dedham Road,  Holden Maine 04429
Home Page:  Http://Members.aol.com/bonn139
Please put Bonnie in subject line so I see YOU!!!!!

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:04:54 -0700 Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
writes:
>Sonia Wu wrote:
>
><<Frank Beck, of our little Sarasota Florida origami club, would like
>very
>much to obtain diagrams for the 5-Pointed Star designed by DAVID (not
>Michael) Shall (apparently in a taxi on the way to a convention,
>legend
>has it).
>
>DISCLAIMER:  I'm pretty pathetic at things computerish; my attempts at
>searching the archives for this would probably have drawn either
>hearty
>guffaws, arch looks, or embarrassed harumphings from most of you.  So
>if
>anyone can point me in the direction of the appropriate OUSA
>Convention
>Annual or other book that houses the diagram, I'd be mightily
>grateful. >>
>
>I *might* have a copy of that diagram.  (I have most of David's
>unpublished
>diagrams)
>
>I will check this weekend and let you know.
>
>
>
>deg farrelly, Associate Librarian
>Media / Women's Studies / Document Delivery Program Manager
>Arizona State University West
>4701 West Thunderbird Road, P.O. Box 37100
>Phoenix, Arizona  85069-7100
>Phone:  602.543.8522   |   Fax:  602.543.8540   |   E-Mail:
>deg@asu.edu

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From: Maura Trucks <mtrucks@GDINET.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:59:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Paper Tips

I have used large paper - a yard square- for making hanging decorations for a
party.  I used the paper teachers typically use to line bulleting boards, and
can be purchased by the yard.  The main drawback is that it when paper is that
large, the folded model may be too soft to stand up well or hold a firm shape.
So, be sure to select paper that has enough stiffness to it.  I stiffened my
sheets by laminating aluminum foil to one side with spray adhesive.  You could
use double sheets laminated together if the paper you find is too thin.  Let us
know how your project works out.
Maura

Michael Smith wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm sure that this topic has been often covered, but I can't seem to find
> what I'm looking for.
>
> I've always folded with the commercially available papers and foils
> available at book stores, craft stores and such.
>
> My first problem is, the largest size of this type of paper I have been able
> to find is 10".  For my first attempts at more complex models, I would
> ideally like a paper in about an 18" size.  Any recommendations what to use
> and where to get it?
>
> Also, I have a project on the go that involves making several large swans,
> 36 or so.  I've chosen a nice swan model, and have determined that to
> achieve the desired size, I need a paper size of about 25".  A light cream
> color would be best.  Any suggestions of what to use in this case, keeping
> in mind that I need 36 sheets, and would like to keep costs down :)
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> --
> Michael Smith
> Product Support Engineer
> MacDonald Dettwiler and Assoc.
> msmith@iotek.ns.ca





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:25:14 -0800
Subject: New Web Page

Well, I finally did it. I put up a page dedicated (mostly) to images of
     wet-folded origami models. I had all these models laying around my house,
     so I took a roll of film and scanned them.

The page is a little rough, and I hope to add to it when I have more time.

Check it out. I'm of course interested in any feedback you have.

http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli

Thanks!

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: Eric Pernin <pernin2@ART.ALCATEL.FR>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:57:36 +0100
Subject: BFCC

Thanks to all of you guys for your answers regarding the BFCC (I did not
the name of that model when I asked for explanations).

Special thank goes to Robert J. Lang for giving extra explanations about
his model. Hope to read your diagrams in a book sometimes.

May The Force be with you.

Eric





From: Cyrille Preaux <cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:18:48 +0100
Subject: Re: Hi Everyone Need Some Help

hi, i'm french and i gonna point u to a french site

if u can read french try
http://www.multimania.com/osele/origami.htm

and now a few advert for me

there is a diagram of me there of a simple dog
this is my first creation based on a text fold instruction of Mark
Kirshenbaum

(hope i wrote is name correctly)





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:35:11 -0500
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

>
> In a message dated 99-03-17 10:11:32 EST, you write:
>
> >  It occurred to me that there
> >  is one aspect of "bucky ball chemistry" (the technical name
> >  is "fullerines" after Buckminsterfuller, the inventor of the
> >  geodesic dome)
>
> I've always seen that spelled fullerenes, -ENE not -INE.
> Are you sure of your spelling?
>
> Aloha,
> Kenneth Kawamura

Oh well, how do I know?  I live and work in two languages and
occasionally mix up similar vowels and consonants which should
be doubled or not doubled as the case may be.  No, seriously,
it should be -ENE since that is the normal ending for conjugated
molecules and fullerenes have aromatic character.

                       Aloha,
                         Mark

P.S. A popular article on fullerenes can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/7712/Articles/FULLERIN.html

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:04:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Paper Tips

Jeffrey -

I don't remember hearing a crunch as the bride walked upthe aisle - who
could hear above the sound of the sobbing (tongue-in-cheek).  Actually,
lining the aisle is a common practice - I just don't know where the paper
comes from or who provides it.  It is rolled out after the guests are seated
but before the bridal party begins to walk .

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson
madawson@sprynet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff DeHerdt <jadeherd@IUPUI.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: Paper Tips

>> Indeed, wrapping paper can be excellent for folding.
>> Be careful though, because more and more often you will
>> find that stuff sold as "wrapping" is NOT paper. This is
>> extra true of foils.
>
>        One note about wrapping papers: be sure to get the kind without a
>thick glossy finish. The finish tends to crack when folded, leaving you
>with a permanent record of every fold made.
>        I've used the Christmas foil used to decorate doors and had good
>luck with it, it seems slightly thicker than some of the foil "wrapping".
>
>> A friend "aquired" a fabulous role of white paper that was
>> the unused balance of paper used to line the aisle of a church for a
>> wedding.
>
>        I have a wedding May 29 and thought of lining an aisle with paper.
>But wouldn't this make a "crunchy" sound as the wedding party walked down
>the aisle?8-{
>
>> I have had good luck with wrapping paper even foils, shipping brown
>> paper rolls and an old roll of doctor's office exam table paper
>> (white)..
>
>        Where did you find the doctor's office exam table paper?
>
>
>                                Jeffrey DeHerdt





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:34:45 -0500
Subject: Looking for Flapping Bird Diagram

A few years ago I saw an interested flapping bird.  This is >>not<< the
traditional bird base model that everyone knows, but it was constructed
from a stretched bird base. An open sink at the base of the tail
provided the flapping mechanism.  Does this ring a bell with anyone?  It
might be a Rohm or Randlett model(?).  Would anyone know where/if the
diagrams are available? A search of the archives and other sources
proved fruitless.

Thanks in advance,

Terry Rioux





From: Tom Hill <teh2@FLASH.NET>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:13:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Paper Tips

madawson wrote:
>
> Jeffrey -
>
> I don't remember hearing a crunch as the bride walked upthe aisle - who
> could hear above the sound of the sobbing (tongue-in-cheek).  Actually,
> lining the aisle is a common practice - I just don't know where the paper
> comes from or who provides it.  It is rolled out after the guests are seated
> but before the bridal party begins to walk .
>

My mom does flower arrangements for weddings as a side business. I don't
think I've ever been to a wedding where there was _NOT_ a paper runner.
I know that she gets all of her supplies from flower and wedding
wholesale places in Chicago. So, I'm guessing that any reasonably
knowlegable wedding coordinator could get you a roll. I have no idea
what it would cost. If you don't have any leads, write me privately, and
I'll ask my mom where she gets that kind of thing from, and how much it
costs.

This takes me back to my own wedding. I know that we had one of those
paper runners, and I know that we used less than half of the roll, but I
couldn't possibly tell you what happened to it. That was over 15 years
ago...

Gee, it's enlightening to read this list and find out that I've got a
good paper source right in my own family, and I never thought about it.





From: Tom Hill <teh2@FLASH.NET>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:17:35 -0600
Subject: Re: cuckoo

> 3. There are no published diagrams. I started diagramming it many years ago
> and will probably publish them in a book that is 2 or 3 years away. For what
> it's worth, my initial diagrams ran about 240 steps and 40 pages. At the time,
> that seemed like a lot; in today's era of dinosaur skeletons, it's nothing
> special!

Robert,

Would it speed up the publishing of that book any if we all got together
and pre-paid for a bunch of advance copies? This model sounds wonderful.

Fold in Peace,

Tom Hill





From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:36:13 -0500
Subject: origaMIT?

hey folx...

just wondering if anyone knows the details of OrigaMIT (the MIT origami
club) if it's still around...when it meets, where it meets, etc...or,
failing that, any other boston-area weekly origami meetings. a friend of
mine and i at brandeis would like to drop in on one soon because we're
feeling distinctly guilty about the almost complete lack of folding in our
lives this school year.

p.s. wotever the event, it needs to be T-accessible (non-bostonians: the T
is the subway/bus/train network) or we need a ride, since neither of us
have cars :p

peace,
alasdair "i swear i will have some more diagrams ready soon" cpq





From: hecht <hecht@CWIX.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:18:12 -0800
Subject: Traditional Models "Cheat-sheet"

Our Seattle group (P.A.P.E.R.) occasionally does public teachings at
festivals and museums.  A frequent comment heard is "That was fun but I'll
never remember how".  Thus I've created a "reminder" sheet to hand out at
such events.  The 6 models are all traditional Japanese forms: flapping
bird, crane, waterbomb, iris, frog, candy dish.  A basic symbol guide is
included, and there's a little empty region for contact info (e.g.
where/when our group meets).  This is all compressed to 2 pages, intended to
fill both sides of a single sheet of copy paper.  Thus it's not appropriate
for instruction, but only for refreshing the memory.

Perhaps this will be useful to others in similar situations.
I've placed the 2-page diagrams on my Web site.
The URL is:  http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm

--steve





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:44:59 -0800
Subject: origami sighting

In Ken Russel's Savage Messiah--an history of the relationship between
Gaudier and Sophie Brezca (sp?), the first scene is Gaudier folding a
flapping bird in a library to impress Sophie. I think that that sums it up,
but it's been about eighteen years since I've seen the film.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:56:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Paper Tips

>I have used large paper - a yard square- for making hanging decorations for
a
>party.  I used the paper teachers typically use to line bulleting boards,
and
>can be purchased by the yard.  The main drawback is that it when paper is
that
>large, the folded model may be too soft to stand up well or hold a firm
shape.
>So, be sure to select paper that has enough stiffness to it.  I stiffened
my
>sheets by laminating aluminum foil to one side with spray adhesive.  You
could
>use double sheets laminated together if the paper you find is too thin.
Let us
>know how your project works out.
>Maura
>

Another good source for large paper is rolls of photographic backdrop paper,
available at many photo supply stores. I believe it is available readily up
to nine feet across, thirty six long. I once used a nine by eighteen sheet
to make the Jack in the box from Eric Kenneway's Complete Origami, and I've
done many nine-by-nine valentines from Peter Engel's Folding the universe.
It's not very likely to be as soft as it is stronger and a bit thicker than
normal paper. Make sure not to buy the plated Super-White, though--folds in
that variety tend to tear easily. I usually get regular white, and paint
designs or just spatter color on one side.





From: Mikael Johansson <e97mijo@THN.HTU.SE>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:03:20 +0100
Subject:

Hi,

Question from a newbe.
I got a description were it says 'start with a streched bird base'.
How do I do that ???

Help please !!

Mikael





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:21:44 -0300
Subject: traditional folds

Hi to all,

I need to know where I can find diagrams of traditional folds. May be
books, photocopies,etc.
If some of you know it, please tell me by private e-mail.

Thanks.

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:13:45 -0500
Subject: Origami Sighting on TV

I was watching yet another interior design show - The Painted House - using
a 'Zen Den' theme and the special guest was a lady demonstrating origami.
She had about a five minute spot and folded the traditional crane and gave
the hostess a large scale Pan mask by Kasahara and traditional kimono models
for wall decorations.  The origami spot justified wasting the half hour in
front of the TV.





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:32:42 -0500 (
Subject: 1000 Cranes For Jay

Dear All,

I received the following e-mail containing two e-mail messages regarding the
death of Jay Trevor.  I would like to personally thank each and every one of
you who contributed towards the 1,000 cranes which were assembled and sent to
Jay in the months before his death.  It is with great sadness that I send you
the following messages:

> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:00:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: PaulBek670@aol.com
> Subject: 1000 Cranes
> To: Foldmaster@aol.com

        Dear June:

I have returned from vacation and learned the sad news that Jay has died.  I
will now share with you the two E mails I received containing this news.

To All of You:  (Group that travelled to Korea with Jay)

I just spoke with Terry and learned that that sweet spirit we knew as Jay has
passed from us.  Jay died late last evening surrounded by his family.  Terry
wanted all of you to know but couldn't face a computer this afternoon.  She
and Gary say that though no one wants to lose their child, Jay died at home
with love in the most beautiful way possible.  They are so happy to have had
him while they could in their lives.  I know all of you are richer for having
known him.

Chris

My Friends,

I'm sad, weak, strong, mindful and forgetful all in the same five minute span.
We (Gary, Vanessa and I) are laughing a lot about things others might not find
funny, about Jay's death, it took hours for him to completely go to heaven.
He did not want to leave us, and finally when we knew it was time, when even
"we" could feel the Lord calling, we had to tell Jay that it was ok, that it
was time for him to go.  And we were winging it, doing a great job, bumbling
along, and praying for guidance.  In the final 24 hours Jay could not speak
anymore, yet he was alert and his knowing eyes, softly, gently, nonjudgmental,
upon us.  God held us in his patient arms for hours while Jay was dying and in
the hours following (yes we met God).  The Memorial service is Korean
American.  Our former pastor of our Korean community church, now retired and
quite dear to me, will give a eulogy.  My cousin will sing an old time
Christian gosple in English.  Amazing Grace will be sung in Korean.

Everything tries to go in a circle,
Terry

June,
Please thank everyone who contributed cranes.  They brought much joy to Jay
and his family during the holidays and were a continuing source of comfort to
all of them.  Your folding friends are very special.

Love
Kathleen





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:58:41 +0100
Subject: Sheet aluminum folding

Working with .005" soda can material proved too difficult for me. As warned
by Joseph Wu, the material cracks when folded sharply in the direction
parallel with the can height. I have been advised by a metals expert that
annealing would not be practical.  Switched to .an 004" thick disposable,
aluminum baking tray -- available in most supermarkets. An 8 x 12"
rectangular sheet was salvaged from the tray I had.

Material is easy to cut with a razor blade or scisssors. Is very soft and
folds easily. Can be sanded, scored, hammered, and embossed to change the
surface. The  edges can be tamed by folding over a hem on each edge.

I made two nice box halves, roughly following the plans at
http://www.papershops.com/origamibox2.htm and
http://www.papershops.com/origamiboxes.htm. They were supposed to fit
together as top and bottom -- but I misjudged the clearance needed. They
are waterproof and would make interesting little planters or seed starters.
I have a few 2" x 3.5" (business card dimensions) pieces left and will cut
more in order to try one of Jeannine Mosely's Wreaths.

I'm certain one of you experienced folders could make some great things
with this material.

Any suggestions on some other simple things I can try? I am very
inexperienced as a folder.

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Eric Pernin <pernin2@ART.ALCATEL.FR>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:05:34 +0100
Subject: Re: Geck and Fly on the wall....where can I get this?

Sreenath Chary wrote:
>
> Hi,
>      I saw this picture of Gecko and the fly on the wall on one of the
> sites and it is truly amazing. Is this model published somewhere? Is there
> a book that I can purchase?
>
>      Next,about Origami Tantedian's convention books...is there any index
> of models published in these convention books?I would dearly like to buy
> them but want to make sure that they don't contain simple models only (I am
> a complex model freak!!) and an index of models in them would be of great
> help!
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Sreenath Chary
>
> Corebanking Solutions
> IBM Australia Ltd
> Phone: +61-2-9354 4209 Mobile:0411 236 630 Fax:+61-2-9634 1678
> e-mail:sreenath@au1.ibm.com

Hi Sreenath

I had your mail regarding Gecko and the fly on the wall. The model is
from a Belgian designer and has been published in a book during a Fench
convention some years ago. I can mail or fax you the sheets (must be 5
to 10 sheets I can't remember right now). Let me known what you would
prefer. This model is rather tricky but as you are a "complex model
freak" to quote you, you should manage.

Cheers

Eric

email : eric.pernin@art.alcatel.fr





From: Bob Nienhuis <nienhuis@WGN.NET>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:35:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Sheet aluminum folding

A place called Small Parts Inc. sells both brass and stainless steel sheets
in thicknesses ranging from .001" to .032". The sheets are available in 6"x 18"
sizes. Costs about $3 to $4/ sheet depending on thickness. The stuff is called
shim stock and is used by machinists and model makers for a variery of
purposes.
The brass should fold well, don't know about the stainless steel (but should
produce a really striking looking model!)

They can be reached at: http://www.smallparts.com

Bob
(who used to work summers in his uncle's machine shop)

nienhuis@wgn.net
http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/

At 08:58 AM 3/19/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Working with .005" soda can material proved too difficult for me.
>annealing would not be practical.  Switched to .an 004" thick disposable,
>aluminum baking tray -- available in most supermarkets. An 8 x 12"
>rectangular sheet was salvaged from the tray I had.
>
>Material is easy to cut with a razor blade or scisssors. Is very soft and
>folds easily. Can be sanded, scored, hammered, and embossed to change the
>surface. The  edges can be tamed by folding over a hem on each edge.
>

>Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
>TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
>WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
><<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Sreenath Chary <sreenath@AU1.IBM.COM>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:53:46 +1000
Subject: Geck and Fly on the wall....where can I get this?

Hi,
     I saw this picture of Gecko and the fly on the wall on one of the
sites and it is truly amazing. Is this model published somewhere? Is there
a book that I can purchase?

     Next,about Origami Tantedian's convention books...is there any index
of models published in these convention books?I would dearly like to buy
them but want to make sure that they don't contain simple models only (I am
a complex model freak!!) and an index of models in them would be of great
help!

Thanks for any help,

Sreenath Chary

Corebanking Solutions
IBM Australia Ltd
Phone: +61-2-9354 4209 Mobile:0411 236 630 Fax:+61-2-9634 1678
e-mail:sreenath@au1.ibm.com





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:31:11 +1100
Subject: Re: Geck and Fly on the wall....where can I get this?

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Sreenath Chary wrote:

> Hi,
>      I saw this picture of Gecko and the fly on the wall on one of the
> sites and it is truly amazing. Is this model published somewhere? Is there
> a book that I can purchase?

Plenty of different sources. I will forward the e-mail Roberto sent to me
re: this same question (a few months ago). In fact it is worth tracking
down other works by Goubergen (IMHO), as he is quite the designer.

>
>      Next,about Origami Tantedian's convention books...is there any index
> of models published in these convention books?I would dearly like to buy
> them but want to make sure that they don't contain simple models only (I am
> a complex model freak!!) and an index of models in them would be of great
> help!
>

Anne R LaVin has done a wonderful job listing the contents of these fine
tomes:

http://web.mit.edu/lavin/www/origami/tanteidan4/

Just replace the number "4" with "3" & "2" to see the other issues. The
issues have a fine mix of simple and complex models, and are well worth
the price

regards,

Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:47:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Traditional Models "Cheat-sheet"

 Hecht wrote:
>Perhaps this will be useful to others in similar situations.
>I've placed the 2-page diagrams on my Web site.
>The URL is: http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm

VERY useful, thanks! For some reason or other, not many traditional
designs are available online. That's why I diagrammed the simple
envelope a while ago; and now that your diagrams are here, I don't have
to try my hands at diagramming the crane :-).

Will your diagrams stay at the above mentioned link? And if so, may I
put a link to them on my own homepage at <shameless plug>
www.bboxbbs.ch/home/tanjit </shameless plug>? I hope you'll diagram
other traditional desings, too.

BTW, what you call the 'candy dish' is (at least in one of my old
japanese origami books) called a 'sanbo'.

Matthias, folding the Alps...





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:33:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Geck and Fly on the wall....where can I get this?

All the tanteidan books have complex models in them.  they also have stuff
that's really simple.  they are all worth the money, though.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:46:07 -0600
Subject: Re: Greetings

Welcome to the list Rikki,

> One thing that I don't quite understand is how finished models of a high
> standard have not been diagrammed. When I create something I find that the
> first attempt is ok as a "rough", but in order to re-do it properly, with
> every crease in the right place, I have to unfold it step by step, drawing as
> I go, which leaves me with the model diagrammed. Or am I missing something?

No, a lot of people work the way you do, but a lot more don't, especialy the
     more
prolific folders, they tend to come up with one model and then get the idea for
the next model and rather than stop and kill the creative spirit of the moment
they set the model aside and on to the next project.  Unfortunately this means
that there are a lot of one of a kind models about that no one has diagrammed,
yet.  Then you add the words, "high standard" some of the diagrams will take the
author weeks to figure out a good way to diagram, also most of us just do a
     rough
idea of the diagrams which we put with the finished model to be diagrammed
     either
on the computer as I do or by hand in a quality manner as does Dave Brill and
several others.  Sure we could put the early versions of the diagrams out there
but then you get a lot of e-mail asking how to do this or what did you mean in
step 46?   Beyond that, most of these fine folks have to deal with real life and
real jobs and families and all the myriad of crises that can fit into a ones
     life,
then they try to get something done.  Occasionaly a prolific author will teach
someone else how to fold a model to get them to do the diagramming.  Sorry all
     for
the length but I hope this helps.  and I didn't even mention the fact that a lot
of the folds out there are waiting on publishers to print and distribute them in
books, after I think something really good is really worth paying for.

Again sorry for the length

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:28:38 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Looking for Flapping Bird Diagram

>>>>
A few years ago I saw an interested flapping bird.  This is >>not<< the
traditional bird base model that everyone knows, but it was constructed from a
stretched bird base. An open sink at the base of the tail provided the
flapping mechanism.  Does this ring a bell with anyone?  It might be a Rohm or
Randlett model(?).  Would anyone know where/if the diagrams are available? A
search of the archives and other sources proved fruitless.
<<<<

Your description fits "Flapping Bird" by J. S. Smith, published
(appropriately) in "The Flapping Bird, an Origami Monthly", #17, 1971,
diagrammed by the incomparable Jean Randlett. You can buy a sprial-bound copy
of all 25 issues of TFB from OrigamiUSA supplies (www.origami-usa.org) for
$18.95.

Robert





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:28:43 -0500 (
Subject: Re: cuckoo

Tom Hill wrote:

>>>>
Would it speed up the publishing of that book [the future book containing
diagrams of the BFCC] any if we all got together and pre-paid for a bunch of
advance copies? This model sounds wonderful.
<<<<

Actually it's not the cost of publishing that's holding it back; it's the time
that it takes to write and diagram a complete origami book, which in my case
is measured in years (and I've got one in the queue ahead of the BFCC book).
Now if you all got together and bid up the price of SDL stock (Nasdaq: SDLI)
to a few hundred bucks a share, I could maybe quit my day job....;-)

Robert





From: rikki donachie <rikki@EDNET.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:10:53 +0000
Subject: Greetings

Hullo Folks,

I am new to this list but have been folding bits of paper for longer
than I care to remember. I've had a quick look around on the web and been
suitably impressed by the quality of the folds out there.(Down-loading the
more interesting models is a pain in the proverbial, as my Mac is very old and
very slow, and, unlike you lucky folk in the States, over here in Scotland we
have to pay BT for our local calls!)

One thing that I don't quite understand is how finished models of a high
standard have not been diagrammed. When I create something I find that the
first attempt is ok as a "rough", but in order to re-do it properly, with
every crease in the right place, I have to unfold it step by step, drawing as
I go, which leaves me with the model diagrammed. Or am I missing something?

Re; An earlier request for fancy papers, may I suggest that you go into
an Artists' Supply shop and ask to look at their hand-made papers, a wee word
of warning, make sure that you go in with NO MONEY, otherwise you will end up
buying loads of stuff! I speak from experience.( Mind you, the snake skin
paper is absolutely marvellous!)

Rikki





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:10:30 -0800 (
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:19:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Greetings

-Perry Bailey wrote:
>
..........also most of us just do a rough
>idea of the diagrams which we put with the finished model to be diagrammed
either
>on the computer as I do or by hand in a quality manner as does Dave Brill
and
>several others............. >
>Perry
>
>>pbailey@opencominc.com
>http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with Diagrams!
>ICQ 23622644

What kind of software do you use to do your diagrams?  I have diagramed some
of the models I was taught by others and have struggled through it using MS
Draw (I don't think that is the actual name but it is in Microsoft & I do
not believe it is really good for this kind of diagraming,)  What do others
use?  I really enjoy diagraming & would like to do more but hate the
struggle I go through.

Reply publicly or at  madawson@sprynet.com

Thanks

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson





From: "Llana L. Harmon" <llharmon@PRIMENET.COM>
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:51:26 -0700
Subject: Cuckoo

OK Robert,

Give us details on SDL.  If its worth it, then your wish can be
answered.  Only thing I want other than the details about SDL is an
opportunity to do some diagramming of those models you do.

Thanks,

Dave

rjlang wrote:

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:28:43 EST
From:    Rjlang@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: cuckoo

Actually it's not the cost of publishing that's holding it back; it's
the
time
that it takes to write and diagram a complete origami book, which in my
case
is measured in years (and I've got one in the queue ahead of the BFCC
book).
Now if you all got together and bid up the price of SDL stock (Nasdaq:
SDLI)
to a few hundred bucks a share, I could maybe quit my day job....;-)

Robert





From: Allen Parry <orca@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:22:26 -0800
Subject: Convention Airfares

For those of you considering coming to our origami convention in Seattle,
from Aug 13th to 15th, there is some airfare news that will make your
vacation more affordable than ever.  Southwest Airlines just announced
lower airfares.

The tickets are  $99  each way from anywhere they fly.

They had the same deal last year and I purchased serveral tickets at the
same price.  It made for an active summer.

So with inexpensive airfares and housing, you can't afford NOT to come to
our convention here in Seattle.  August is the best time of the year to
visit our city.  Mild sunny weather, with no humidity!

The following is a list of Southwest Airlines cities:

AL, Birmingham
AR, Little Rock
AZ, Phoenix
AZ, Tucosn
FL, Jacksonville
FL, Orlando
FL, Tampa Bay
FL, Ft. Lauderdale
IL, Chicago
IN, Indianapolis
KY, Louisville
LA, New Orleans
MD, Baltimore/Wsahington DC
MI, Detroit
MO, Kansas City
MO, St. Louis
MS, Jackson
NE, Omaha
NM, Albuquerque
OH, Cleveland
OH, Columbus
OK, Oklahoma City
OK, Tulsa
RI, Providence
TN, Nashville
TX, Armarillo
TX, Lubbock
TX, Dallas
TX, Austin
TX, San Antonio
TX, Houston
TX, Corpus Christi
TX, El Paso
UT, Salt Lake City





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:43:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Strecthed bird base

Hi Mikael,

>Question from a newbe.
>I got a description were it says 'start with a streched bird base'.
>How do I do that ???

Well, start out with a "normal" bird base (I suppose you know that). Grab
two opposite flaps (that are from the opposite corners of the square) and
pull then apart until the diagonal fold reforms (the top triangle will be
"stretched out" completely, hence it finishes to be a triangle), and
flatten the model. That's it. For the first time it may looks triky but
once you get the hang of it, it's easy and delicate.

I see you're from Sweden. I might recommend you to contact the "Origami
Sverige" (you can have a look at their homepage at
<http://welcome.to/origami.sverige> to meet other folders in Sweden.

Happy folding!

Peter Budai

P.S. Just a hint: you should type something in the 'subject' field (in this
case, something like "Help me with streched bird base") to get attention
and to tell the others what are asking/saying.





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:43:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Greetings

Hi Rikki,

>> One thing that I don't quite understand is how finished models of a high
>> standard have not been diagrammed.

There are a lot of "high-standard" models diagrammed, although many of them
may not be available on the Web. People rather publicate in books and keep
the most of the preferred/good/easy/hard/anything models for a book. If I
would, say, put my "Robert Lang folding a Black Forest Cuckoo Clock" model
(before anyone asks for diagrams, this model is NONEXISTENT, and also,
don't get me wrong, I love that model and Lang stuff in general), then
later if I'd publish it in a book, it wouldn't be *such* a big hit.
However, I'm NOT against publishing diagrams on the Web! I just keep myself
"not to shoot the same rabbit twice".

>> When I create something I find that the
>> first attempt is ok as a "rough", but in order to re-do it properly, with
>> every crease in the right place, I have to unfold it step by step,
drawing as
>> I go, which leaves me with the model diagrammed. Or am I missing something?

I've tried this once, when I had *completely* forgotten the way I got to
fold my butterfly. It's quite useful to do, but a bit more time-consuming
than if you make rough diagrams in a "foward" fashion, while you remember
how you folded the model.

>...they set the model aside and on to the next project.

Please, folks, NEVER, NEVER do this! Or you might end up with those growing
number of boxes with undiagrammed models make them feel more and more
ashamed...

>Sure we could put the early versions of the diagrams out there but then
you get >a lot of e-mail asking how to do this or what did you mean in step
46?

Or kinda "Your diagrams say it's a bear but I've ended up with camera. Have
I done something wrong?"

Happy and fast diagramming,

Peter Budai





From: Terry Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:44:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Looking for Flapping Bird Diagrams

Thank you, Robert, for answering my question.  TFB has been on my 'want
list' for some time, but this gives me an added incentive to send in an
order! My wife hasn't yet complained about my little addiction of buying
origami books (150 to date), but then again, she's a librarian!

>Your description fits "Flapping Bird" by J. S. Smith, published
>(appropriately) in "The Flapping Bird, an Origami Monthly", #17, 1971,
>diagrammed by the incomparable Jean Randlett. You can buy a sprial-bound copy
>of all 25 issues of TFB from OrigamiUSA supplies (www.origami-usa.org) for
>$18.95.

Cheers,

Terry Rioux





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:33:02 +0000
Subject: Easy Crucifix

Yesterday Dave Brill taught us Neil Elias' crucifiction at the
Manchester mini-meeting. Being proud of my achievement I took it to show
people at church (so you all know what's coming next..)

"Can you teach that to a group of children (3-11 year olds!) on Good
Friday?" Not this one!!!! So if any of you know of a fairly easy cross
(for e.g. 8 year olds with no prior folding experience) please let us
know! Time is a bit short of course! And Dave, if you are reading this,
any chance of a copy of the Elias Diags?

Thanks in advance

--
Mark





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:45:06 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Easy Crucifix

In a message dated 99-03-21 08:34:01 EST, you write:

>  Neil Elias' crucifiction

I believe the diagrams are available off-line
(to quote from an e-mail of Terry Rioux, Re: Looking for Flapping Bird
Diagrams)

>in "The Flapping Bird, an Origami Monthly",
...
>diagrammed by the incomparable Jean Randlett. You can buy a spiral-bound copy
>of all 25 issues of TFB from OrigamiUSA supplies (www.origami-usa.org) for
>$18.95.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com
