




From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:03:42 -0500 (
Subject: Re: (NO) Re: sheet metal origami

Congratulations to Dorothy  (Folding  California) for the absolutely
sensational and adorable tape she has produced on Origami.   Such remarkable
creativity in its concept and wonderful music to go with it.  Hope somehow
this will be made available for all to view.





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:40:21 -0800
Subject: Re: good books

I highly recommend "Unit Origami" by Tomoko Fuse for 3-D geometric modulars.
There is plenty there to keep yu busy for a while!!!!  It is in English.
ISBN 0-87040-852-6   Japan Publications, Inc.  List Price $19.00.  Probably
available from OUSA's "The Source" or amazon

-----Original Message-----
From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:37 PM
Subject: good books

>Hi all,
>
>i need proposals to buy some good origami-books.
>i want to have a book about flying objects that
>staying a long time in the air and flying slowly.
>
>in addition i need suggestions about books about
>3D-geometric unit origami with a simple and nice design.
>it may be complex but the design should be simple.
>
>i would be glad, if anybody can help me.
>
>
>ciao
>
>Torsten





From: Jeadams1@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:56:18 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Lang's Grasshopper from "The Complete Book of Origami"

Hi Robert and Daniela!

Thanks! I must admit that after about an hour's more of fussing with the model
after I sent my note to origami-l, I figured out all of the steps I found
puzzling and produced a very nice looking grasshopper! I found it very
satisfying to read your replies and see that I had discovered the same
sequences and intermediate creases. It is a gorgeous model, Robert! Daniela,
thanks for the diagram! A copy of it is going into my book so I don't have to
re-invent the wheel in the future.

Jim Adams





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:40:44 +0100
Subject: good books

Hi all,

i need proposals to buy some good origami-books.
i want to have a book about flying objects that
staying a long time in the air and flying slowly.

in addition i need suggestions about books about
3D-geometric unit origami with a simple and nice design.
it may be complex but the design should be simple.

i would be glad, if anybody can help me.

ciao

Torsten





From: Tom Hill <teh2@FLASH.NET>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 06:32:10 -0600
Subject: BOS Booklet Survey

Hello world,

I'm going to be making a "once-in-a-life-time" trip to England this
summer and I'd like to bring some BOS booklets back with me as
souveniers. So, here's the survey:

Name the top five, essential, must-have BOS booklets.

If you've got more time, I'd also like to know what are the most
compelling places to visit in London, Oxford, and Canturbury. I'm going
to be travelling with a children's choir, so I won't have lots of time.
But, I'd like to get at least a taste of England, since I may not get
back there for quite a while.

Thanks, in advance.

Fold in Peace,

Tom Hill
teh2@flash.net





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 08:41:29 +0800
Subject: book quality

I finally saw Hector Roja's book in a local bookshop, and could understand
many of the complaints.  However, as the only other books available were
some old Dover reprints with few illustrations and a book on seasonal
origami (someone with a Polish extraction name) which were as highly
decorated as Hector's models, I know which I would buy if this were my first
origami book..
I'm not trying to stir the hornets nest, but just seeing things from a
commercial eye.  Maybe we get the books we deserve in Perth, but reprints of
old Harbin type books, while excellent for the specialist, are not going to
bring more folks into the 'fold'!
By the way, for a bit of local origami trivia, Rolf Harris, who illustrated
some early Harbin books and is a Perth boy, used to take great delight in
pinning the long braids of a friend of mine to the old wooden tram seats on
the way to school!





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:36:48 -0800
Subject: Re: That rose again

At 13:12 99/03/09 -0500, Jeffrey DeHerdt wrote:
>        After folding several Kawasaki Roses(the one in OFTC) to give my
>fiance for Valentine's day, I realized I've been having trouble with
>certain procedures. First, that little central square smack in the middle
>of the paper - is there a landmark I should be looking at? I seldom get a
>perfect square when I fold that, and sometimes that throws off the central
>portion of the rose.

There are two ways to deal with this one:

1. Don't fold the central square. The diagonal creases from corner to corner
of the paper can be folded across the centre of the paper (instead of
stopping for the central square like OftC shows). I actually start off with
a waterbomb base when I fold this model. Then, once all of the other
precreases are done, do the twist fold. As the centre comes together, it
will naturally flatten into the required square. (This is my preferred method.)

2. Allow the model to lie flat. Pinch the centre crease into a mountain
fold, but do not pick the paper up off of your working surface. Roll the
mountain fold edge to the next crease line out from the centre. This is your
landmark. Now you can crease where necessary (i.e. only in the middle) to
make the edge of your square.

>Secondly, sometimes the center of the rose pops up(in
>other words comes to a point. Its easily corrected, but is there anyway to
>prevent this.

If you keep the central square flat throughout your folding, you will have
no problems.

>        Also, if there are any pointers for the "accent" folds(the folds
>that curve the petals of the model), I'd like to hear em. I've taken some
>ideas from web pages and pictures I've seen, but I was wondering if
>anybody has any special techniques.

Just pull and bend. 8)

>        Is there anyway to lock the bottom folds? The layers do hold, but
>they are so easily undone. I'd like to be able to put rose potpourri
>inside and have it not fall out so easily.

Well, you should wrap your potpourri in a piece of tissue paper or gauze
anyway to hold it together. The lock, however, does hold tightly. Most
people just don't pull the bottom together tightly enough, so that the
overlapping flaps that form the lock only tuck slightly under each other. A
proper lock has half of each flap completely covered by the next flap that
it is tucked under.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:17:16 -0800
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

At 15:46 99/03/09 -0800, Gabriel (Pancho) wrote:
>My opinion is that if you created the model by yourself as you explained it
>in your e-mails is yours.
>
>This time you found out that your model is similar to Montroll's one. But
>if this wasn't the case, in this line of thinking, you should buy all the
>books and publications with crocodiles models before diagraming your model
>to see if someone created a similar one before. I think that this is a
>waste of time, and it is not possible to do it. The only way to do it is to
>create an organism where you can patent your model, and which judge if your
>model is original or not.

Gabriel, in all intellectual pursuits, the person who thought of something
first gets the credit. Re-creating or re-inventing something does not make
that thing yours. A designer should do their best to find out if a similar
model has been invented and to cite it if necessary. For example, my
"western dragon" has the same base structure as Robert Neale's famous
"dragon". Many others have come up with similar dragons from the same
structure. Some of them worked directly from Neale's model, while others
(like myself) came up with the same structure on our own. Even so, since
Neale's model preceded mine, I still cite his model whenever I refer to my
own (although I make a point of saying something like "discovered
independently"). I simply cannot rule out the possibility that his work
somehow influenced mine, even if it was unconsciously.

At 14:12 99/03/09 -0500, Jeffrey DeHerdt wrote:
>        Does this mean there will be origami lawyers? There could even be
>supreme court cases on origami! Think of the publicity, origami could get
>bigger than Monica Lewinsky.

Is this a reference to all of the media attention about Monica or to all of
the fat jokes about Monica?

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:31:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for ornithorynchys diagram

Serge,

There's a platypus in OrigamiUSA's 96 Annual. I think it's an intermediate
model, but I haven't the book here, I must check at home.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos A. Furuti
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Jeff DeHerdt <jadeherd@IUPUI.EDU>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:12:24 -0500
Subject: That rose again

        After folding several Kawasaki Roses(the one in OFTC) to give my
fiance for Valentine's day, I realized I've been having trouble with
certain procedures. First, that little central square smack in the middle
of the paper - is there a landmark I should be looking at? I seldom get a
perfect square when I fold that, and sometimes that throws off the central
portion of the rose. Secondly, sometimes the center of the rose pops up(in
other words comes to a point. Its easily corrected, but is there anyway to
prevent this.
        Also, if there are any pointers for the "accent" folds(the folds
that curve the petals of the model), I'd like to hear em. I've taken some
ideas from web pages and pictures I've seen, but I was wondering if
anybody has any special techniques.
        Is there anyway to lock the bottom folds? The layers do hold, but
they are so easily undone. I'd like to be able to put rose potpourri
inside and have it not fall out so easily.

        I just received my first OrigamiUSA "Paper" yesterday and it was
interesting to see so many familiar names because of this list. This list
has helped me keep my sanity during this college semester(I'm an
engineering student, sanity is a luxury).

                                Thanks,
                                        Jeffrey DeHerdt





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:04:24 -0500
Subject: Re: That rose again

Joseph Wu, in reply to Jeffrey DeHerdt's query about the OtfC Rose:

> 1. Don't fold the central square.  ... (This is my preferred method.)

But of course, why didn't I think of that? ;-)

> 2. Allow the model to lie flat. Pinch the centre crease into a mountain
> fold, but do not pick the paper up off of your working surface. Roll the
> mountain fold edge to the next crease line out from the centre. This is your
> landmark. Now you can crease where necessary (i.e. only in the middle) to
> make the edge of your square.

This is similar to the method shown in the NOA version of the directions where
they show the 1/8th crease next to the center crease as the one pinched, but
the effect is the same.

But I wonder (and this is why I bothered to reply when Joseph has been so
thorough already) if one needs to define that square at all.  Since the
creases parallel to the central diagonals are used only to affect the twist,
and later, other creases are used to round the model....  Hmmmm, it seems that
the central square does need to exist, but the second set of creases really
doesn't have to extend that far out from the central square...

Precreasing this model helps a lot.  The NOA instructions are much better than
the OftC ones, but if you unfold the model before locking it, you'll easily be
able to see the precreases necessary.  The next fun step is to eliminate as
many of the crease lines as you can from the final model. ;-)

> If you keep the central square flat throughout your folding, you will have
> no problems.

A bit tricky with foil, but a true statement.

> Just pull and bend. 8)

And those too can be easier to do before you completely collapse and lock the
model.

> A proper lock has half of each flap completely covered by the next flap that
> it is tucked under.

True, true.  I find from 6" paper, with the center depressed to (attempt to)
create a smaller/tigher center, that there isn't a lot of room inside the
model for even the tip of Joseph's Calyx, let alone pot pourri.

-D'gou





From: Jeff DeHerdt <jadeherd@IUPUI.EDU>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:12:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Pancho wrote:

> The only way to do it is to create an organism where you can patent your
> model, and which judge if your model is original or not.
>
> Regards,
> Gabriel.
>

        Does this mean there will be origami lawyers? There could even be
supreme court cases on origami! Think of the publicity, origami could get
bigger than Monica Lewinsky.

                                Still dreaming,
                                                Jeffrey DeHerdt





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:08:16 -0500
Subject: Re: good books - Unit Origami

Edith Kort indited:

> The "classic" book on this is Tomoko Fuse's book Unit Origami.
> It has many models, diagrammed and color-photographed.  If you only get
> one book, this is the one to get.

Hear Hear!  Not only does this book give you more models/units than you could
ever fold, it will likely give you ideas about your own Sonobe and other unit
variations as well.  Most of the "easy" variations have been thought of long
ago, but discovering them for yourself is fun anyways!

> Mette Peterson has self-published two books on unit origami.  I'm not
> sure how 3-D her models are.  She is also a member of this list and can
> tell you how to obtain her books.

They are "as 3-D" as any unit piece.  As I recall, most of them are new units,
not new assemblages, though her second book has spirals as well as "closed"
forms.  As for "3-D", it all depends on how you assemble them.  You can as
easily make Mette's Units into flat "quilts" as you can Fuse's units, and visa
versa.

-D'gou





From: Pancho <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:46:14 -0800
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

Hi Peter,

My opinion is that if you created the model by yourself as you explained it
in your
e-mails is yours.

This time you found out that your model is similar to Montroll's one. But
if this wasn't the case, in this line of thinking, you should buy all the
books and publications with crocodiles models before diagraming your model
to see if someone created a similar one before. I think that this is a
waste of time, and it is not possible to do it. The only way to do it is to
create an organism where you can patent your model, and which judge if your
model is original or not.

Regards,
Gabriel.





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:52:48 +0000
Subject: Re: BOS Booklet Survey

Tom Hill <teh2@FLASH.NET> sez

>Name the top five, essential, must-have BOS booklets.

I'd put Philip Shen's at the top of the list, closely followed by
Thoki's Orikata. Any of Edwin Corrie's, Tony O'Hares excellent effort,
plus (impartially) my own "Fold with feeling" (although not actually a
BOS booklet).

These choices represent my tastes rather than a wide cross-section.

I'd buy everything you can find - they don't weigh or cost very much &
think of the postage you'll save!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: "Jonathan J. Picker" <Verdigris@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:05:38 -0500
Subject: BOS Booklet request

At 06:32 AM 3/9/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello world,
>
>I'm going to be making a "once-in-a-life-time" trip to England this
>summer and I'd like to bring some BOS booklets back with me as
>souveniers. So, here's the survey:
>
>Name the top five, essential, must-have BOS booklets.

Er, would you mind terribly picking these up for me as well?  Let me know
how many pounds you spend and I will send you the money along with the
postage it will take to mail them to me.  I don't want to be a bother so if
you don't want the additional hassle in your life, simply say so.  I'll
figure out another way of acquiring them.  In either case, thanks for
reading this.

Oh, have fun in England; it's a great place!

Sincerely,

Jonathan Picker

********************************************************
Jonathan J. Picker
Verdigris@earthlink.net

". . . And miles to go before I sleep . . ." --Robert Frost,
from his poem, "Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening".





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:29:53 +0100
Subject: Re: good books

Sorry,

i had to write that i already have the book from Tomoko Fusi.
But thaks for all the answers.

the reason for my question is that i try to develop models which looks
like a flow or waves in structure. something good for the eyes. it was a
little bit successful with one sheet of paper. now i will try it with
unit origami and i want to avoid to develop something twice.
If possible, i will put a picture of my work in my web page.

Rona,
i hope your books are not only full of polyhedra. Polyhedra are nice and
they have a fantastic geometry, but i alredy folded polyhedra. Before i
heared something of some one elses folding people, i developed my own
units. it was a hard work and i had to notice that many people alredy
folded better units, but it doesen't matter. it was interesting to see
this folds, so that i folded many of the new units.
i folded so many polyhedra that i had to give them to my kollegues at
work, because at home i had no more space for them, at home. now in many
offices are polyhedra. but i think i will try out one of your books.

NOW i try to find more and different techniqes.

i tryed many things and one of the new should be > paper air planes <.
perhaps Nick could tell me something about his books.

ciao and thank you

  Torsten





From: Vince and Cherri <iamgone@IBM.NET>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:02:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Seattle PAPER meeting announcement

Sorry I can't make this meeting...our con is flying in....spring break from
college. I will try to make the April meeting.
Cherri
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 4:11 PM
Subject: Seattle PAPER meeting announcement

I haven't posted for awhile, so I thought I would troll to see if there are
any unattached Pacific Northwesterners looking for a folding group.

This coming Sunday, March 14, is the next meeting of PAPER (Puget Area
Paperfolding Enthusiasts Roundtable).  We will meet from 1-4 pm at the
University Heights Community Center, in Seattle.  If you are interested,
please email me at the address below.  I will be glad to fill you in on the
details.

Come fold with PAPER!

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
There is love in the red letters
There is truth in the red letters
There is hope for the hopeless
Peace and forgiveness
There is life in the red letters
                dcTalk, "Red Letters"





From: "Ducharme, Faron" <duchf@UNITRODE.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:40:01 -0500
Subject: Looking For Books

> Any help in locating the following books would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Origami Flowers & Flower Arrangements by Appel & Gray
>
> Fiori in Origami by Gazzera
>
> Origami Flowers by Takahawa(Japanese)
>
> Flower Origami by Yamaguchi
>
> Classic Flower by Kawasaki
>
> Origami Flowers by Momotani(Japanese) ISBN 4-416-38900-0
>
> Yoshizawa(Italian)
>
> Creative Life with Origami Book III by Takahama
>
>
> faron





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:30:06 -0500 (
Subject: "Bucky ball"

A young high school student asked me if you could make a "bucky ball"  with
origami.  I really did not know what a "bucky ball" is but I told her I would
try to find out.  I know it has to do something with pentagons and chemistry.
I know there are a lot of math whizzes here on this list.  Any one can help
me?  If it is possible, is it diagrammed somewhere?  What level of folding
would you say it is?
This young lady has a project due in 3 weeks--any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Patty





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:58:38 -0500
Subject: Re: That rose again

Jeff:

>        After folding several Kawasaki Roses(the one in OFTC) to give
my
>fiance for Valentine's day, I realized I've been having trouble with
>certain procedures. First, that little central square smack in the
middle
>of the paper - is there a landmark I should be looking at? I seldom get
a
>perfect square when I fold that, and sometimes that throws off the
central
>portion of the rose. Secondly, sometimes the center of the rose pops
up(in
>other words comes to a point. Its easily corrected, but is there anyway
to
>prevent this.

_____________________
There is a very nice rhythmic way to fold this rose.  First fold the
vertical and horizontal grid.  Then with right side facing up on the
table spiral around the +
corners folding the paper over on the valley fold, turning up the raw
corner and folding the edge with the fold up to meet the raw edge of the
turned up corner.  Unfold everything except the raw corner and move to
next corner working around clockwise.  This will give you the little
triangular fold shown on the quarter dividing line (for me it is this
little triangle that is the most important landmark of the model).

Now turn the paper over so the back side is facing up.  Mountain fold
the diagonals and collapse into a waterbomb.  Fold the tip of the
waterbomb down to meet the first division line...this will create the
little center square.  Unfold and treat the center square almost like
you would a sink pinching the edges of the small square into mountain
folds but instead of collapsing both diagonals allow only one diagonal
to collapse (it looks almost like a little bird beak, to me anyway). Now
line up the vertical diagonal fold with the edge of the little triangle
forming a pleat fold front and back (model will be flat).  Open the
model slightly and align the other two mountain folds to the edge of
their respective triangles...and you should have figure 9 in OFtC with a
perfect center square. Hope this made sense or at least more sense than
the instructions in the book.

Jeff:
>        Is there anyway to lock the bottom folds? The layers do hold,
but
>they are so easily undone. I'd like to be able to put rose potpourri
>inside and have it not fall out so easily.
___________________
As Joseph and Doug said...not really.  The best you can do is weave the
tail pieces into each other and pinch slightly on the point where they
fold over to form the base of the rose.  I use 8 inch paper to make my
roses and there is enough room to put in a small amount of potpourri.
However, when I used netting to wrap the potpourri it caused a rattled
inside the rose.  The best suggestion I've heard of is to wrap it in a
cotton ball, but I haven't tried it yet.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Tricia Tait <tait@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:08:41 -0800
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

Hi Patty-

I don't  know the exact html. but if you got the link from Joseph Wu's page
it would take you to Tom Hull's origami math page. I know he designed a
bucky ball and there might be directions for it there. If not- you could
e-mail him. He's very nice- and a math professor!

Hope all is well. Will you be attending the east coast and/or west coast
conventions? I would like to go international next year and am thinking
about either the French or BOS convention. Will see. Gotta save!

Bye for now,
Tricia
-----Original Message-----
From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM <ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:34 PM
Subject: "Bucky ball"

>A young high school student asked me if you could make a "bucky ball"  with
>origami.  I really did not know what a "bucky ball" is but I told her I
would
>try to find out.  I know it has to do something with pentagons and
chemistry.
>I know there are a lot of math whizzes here on this list.  Any one can help
>me?  If it is possible, is it diagrammed somewhere?  What level of folding
>would you say it is?
>This young lady has a project due in 3 weeks--any help would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Patty





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:50:33 -0600
Subject: New model alert

Hi,

I just posted a new model this time by Anita F. Barbour (check
out her web page at "http://www.ulster.net/~spider/" for more
Origami models by Anita).

It is another Columbine this one is made from a pentagon and also
has spurs, for those of you who love flowers.

Have fun folding,

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:50:39 -0800
Subject: Re: Danare:RocknRoll

I agree entirely with your political stance. The best way to change the
system is not to rail about it and hurl invectives, it is to infiltrate, and
make the system subvert itself. That means both support and candidacy. Often
the most productive change is inoccuous at first, but a small, constant
presence will tend to deflect more efficiently than even powerful but
sporadic efforts. To try to effect political change while not biting the
bullet and jumping into the fray is somewhat akin to the vatican dictating
precepts of sexual conduct, it's vaguely oxymoronic, like "civil war" or
"senate ethics committee"-c





From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:51:06 -0500
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

The page that tricia mentioned can be found at:

http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull/phzig/phzig.html

There are no explicit instructions for assembling the 90 required units,
but it's not hard to do, especially if you have a picture to look at.
As for folding difficulty, these units are quite straightforward.  (Though
it will take a bit of patience to make 90 of them.

Stephen Canon
Stephen_Canon@brown.edu

At 08-30 PM 09U03U99 -0500, you wrote:
>A young high school student asked me if you could make a "bucky ball"  with
>origami.  I really did not know what a "bucky ball" is but I told her I would
>try to find out.  I know it has to do something with pentagons and chemistry.
>I know there are a lot of math whizzes here on this list.  Any one can help
>me?  If it is possible, is it diagrammed somewhere?  What level of folding
>would you say it is?
>This young lady has a project due in 3 weeks--any help would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Patty





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:04:47 -0800
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

-----Original Message-----
From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM <ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 6:50 PM
Subject: "Bucky ball"

>A young high school student asked me if you could make a "bucky ball"  with
>origami.  I really did not know what a "bucky ball" is but I told her I
would
>try to find out.  I know it has to do something with pentagons and
chemistry.
>I know there are a lot of math whizzes here on this list.  Any one can help
>me?  If it is possible, is it diagrammed somewhere?  What level of folding
>would you say it is?
>This young lady has a project due in 3 weeks--any help would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Patty
Bucky ball is a large, I believe 60, carbon complex, almost identical to a
soccerball--being ten hexagons joined into a sphere. It's named after
Buckminster Fuller's geodesic dome, and looks quite similar. If there is a
decahedron design, you could just fold that and highlight the carbon bonds,
else, I fear it would be a project that might prove quite daunting in the
time allotted.-c





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:12:31 -0800
Subject: Re: myownRE:Buckyball

Buckball--no help on folding, but I mistakenly refered to ten hexagons,
actually it has a pattern of pentagons surrounded by hexagons--exactly the
form of a soccerball. Guess that means the decahedron's out.





From: KADUKU <kaduku@CDEPOT.NET>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:40:33 -0800
Subject: Re: Folders from Guam

DORIGAMI@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the name of any folders from Guam......Dorigami
hello, i now live in nothern california but, i grew up in a village up
nothern called yigo in guam ,i am 1/2 jap and 1/2 cajin, my name is
frederick gullatt.
hafa adai means hello in chomorro the language of guam.





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:47:06 -0500 (
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

a bucky ball is a chemical mix of carbon and carbon ions that form themselves
into a sphere composed of  a specific number of pentagons and hexigons which
is now the cutting edge of the materials industry's quest for a high
strength/weight ratio. It's proportions and distribution are that of a soccer
ball ... the talk of the town.

-RPLSMN-





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:34:40 -0500
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

You can fold a buckyball from 60 one piece triangle modules from
"3D Geometric Origami: Modular Polyhedra" or from 60 two piece
triangular gyroscope modules from the forthcoming "Modular
Origami Polyhedra: Revised and Enlarged Edition". The triangular
gyroscope module is made from equilateral triangles, with a
triangular preliminary base wrapped around a triangular waterbomb
base. The one piece triangle module is made from an equilateral
triangle folded like the German star with three points tucked
under. There is a buckyball from a one piece triangle module
on one of Krystyna Burczyk's web pages.
  These models are vertex models, and give a very different effect
than the edge models which require 90 modules.

Rona





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:07:12 -0500 (
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

P.S. -  a fascinating feature of the "Bucky Ball" structure is that the
hemispheres of the soccer ball can be split, and a "Bucky Tube" of unspecified
length inserted,  generating a stiff polymer-like "Bucky Fiber".  Imagine a
skyscraper of "Bucky Pillars" where seismic and horizontal wind forces are
harnassed to power capillary action within the members, pumping fluids like a
2000' tree.
         -RPLSMN-  ... contemplating the virtues of combining compressive and
tensile strength in the manipulation of naturally occuring electro-magnetic,
gravitational, strong & weak forces.  (and particles)





From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:13:30 -0500
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

At 11-04 PM 09U03U99 -0800, you wrote:

>Bucky ball is a large, I believe 60, carbon complex, almost identical to a
>soccerball--being ten hexagons joined into a sphere. It's named after
>Buckminster Fuller's geodesic dome, and looks quite similar. If there is a
>decahedron design, you could just fold that and highlight the carbon bonds,
>else, I fear it would be a project that might prove quite daunting in the
>time allotted.-c

I doubt it would be this time-consuming.  Usually a 90-piece edge model
takes me about 5 hours, if i'm not in any hurry to finish.  Even if you've
never worked with modulars before, I'd guess (hope) that it could be done
in under 10 hours of work.

-Steve





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:42:24 -0800
Subject: Re: ring of origami art

At 15:33 99/03/10 +0800, you wrote:
>I just noticed the pictures that mark the ring of origami art web sites -
>the Toucans look suspiciously heavily painted.... where are the purist
>police when you need them (tongue firmly in cheek)!

And, if I remember correctly, those images are taken directly from Hector
Rojas' book.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Pancho <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:15:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

Joseph Wu wrote:
>Gabriel, in all intellectual pursuits, the person who thought of something
>first gets the credit. Re-creating or re-inventing something does not make
>that thing yours. A designer should do their best to find out if a similar
>model has been invented and to cite it if necessary.

Hi Joseph,

thanks for your aclaration, with which I completely agree. Sorry if I was
not clear in my last email.

The problem I see is that this is very difficult to do in Origami because
it is not regulated (which I prefer, don't misunderstand me please). If I
write a book I know that I can copyright it and be kind of sure that it is
an original piece. This not always work either because after pantenting
something, another author can claim that your invention was a copy of his
or her previous patent. But you can be sure that you followed the right
steps to say or think that your invention is original, or different enough
from the influences you had.

In Origami, I don't know which would be the right steps to do this (maybe
they exist). Maybe the right steps are to ask this list as Peter did. Or
maybe to present the model in the OUSA Convention, so a lot of people can
look at it and give a feedback of similar models they know, so that you can
check them before publishing your model. Maybe you also have to send the
model to Japan to receive the same kind of feedback.

>that thing yours. A designer should do their best to find out if a similar
>model has been invented and to cite it if necessary.

Mi point is that it should be defined or agreed between the interested
people what is "to do your best" to find out if a similar model has been
invented before.

Regards,
Gabriel.





From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@ISODE.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:49:08 +0000
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU> writes:

> You can fold a buckyball from 60 one piece triangle modules from "3D
> Geometric Origami: Modular Polyhedra"

So you can.  Indeed, I have one sitting on my desk, about 10cm or so
in diameter.  The modules are easy to make (and to fit together), but
they start with equilateral triangles, so you'll need to be able to
cut those reasonably accurately.  I think the one I've got is made
from two or three sheets of A4 cut up.

The result is reasonably robust (although it's not suitable for cats),
and looks very attractive---it's probably more attractive than you'd
get using some random edge scheme (such as that used in Practical and
Decorative Origami, for example).





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:33:53 +0800
Subject: ring of origami art

I just noticed the pictures that mark the ring of origami art web sites -
the Toucans look suspiciously heavily painted.... where are the purist
police when you need them (tongue firmly in cheek)!





From: Krystyna i Wojciech Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:21:46 +0100
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball"

Hello Patty

"Bucky ball" is a truncated icosahedron.
You can see examples (both edge built with 90 Plank's modules and vertex built
     with 60 trinagle modules) on our page
www.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/origami/g1-10-en.htm

We recommend triangle single piece or double piece modules
folded from 5 cm (2") squares.

Single piece triangle module is diagrammed in
Rona Gurkewitz, Bennett Arnstein, 3-D Geometric Origami Modular Polyhedra,
     Dover Publications, Inc., New York 1995, ISBN 0-486-28863-3, page 37.

Two piece triangle module is diagrammed in
Lewis Simon, Bennett Arnstein, Modular Origami Polyhedra, Los Angeles,
     Westminster, 1989, page 26.

Best regards
Krystyna and Wojtek Burczyk





From: Cyrille Preaux <cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:08 +0100
Subject: Burczyk site error

the adresse below give me no response but
www1.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/origami/g1-10-en.htm

give me some...

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Krystyna i Wojciech Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
 : ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date : mercredi 10 mars 1999 17:25
Objet : Re: "Bucky ball"

Hello Patty

"Bucky ball" is a truncated icosahedron.
You can see examples (both edge built with 90 Plank's modules and vertex
built with 60 trinagle modules) on our page
www.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/origami/g1-10-en.htm

We recommend triangle single piece or double piece modules
folded from 5 cm (2") squares.

Single piece triangle module is diagrammed in
Rona Gurkewitz, Bennett Arnstein, 3-D Geometric Origami Modular Polyhedra,
Dover Publications, Inc., New York 1995, ISBN 0-486-28863-3, page 37.

Two piece triangle module is diagrammed in
Lewis Simon, Bennett Arnstein, Modular Origami Polyhedra, Los Angeles,
Westminster, 1989, page 26.

Best regards
Krystyna and Wojtek Burczyk





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:30:04 +0100
Subject: New URL  of Origami Sweden

Hi All,
a short message just to say that the swedish origami society "Origami Sverige"
     (Sverige= Sweden in swedish) homepage have been moved. The new URL is:
http://welcome.to/origami.sverige
On our homepage you can find some pictures from our last convention in
     Stockholm, some from the last CDO convention in Castel San Pietro Terme
     (Italy), some diagrams (more coming soon!) and vital information about our
     association and our mini-meetings. We
 come!

Regards

Dino Andreozzi





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:02:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Danare:RocknRoll

Christopher Holt wrote:
>
> I agree entirely with your political stance. The best way to change the
> system is not to rail about it and hurl invectives, it is to infiltrate, and
> make the system subvert itself. That means both support and candidacy. Often
> the most productive change is inoccuous at first, but a small, constant
> presence will tend to deflect more efficiently than even powerful but
> sporadic efforts. To try to effect political change while not biting the
> bullet and jumping into the fray is somewhat akin to the vatican dictating
> precepts of sexual conduct, it's vaguely oxymoronic, like "civil war" or
> "senate ethics committee"-c

I suspect this wasn't really intended for the Origami List.  But....
just in case it was check out The Origami Unleashed list:

http://www.findmail.com/list/origami-unleashed/

where infiltrating the Origami establishment with irreverence,
naughtiness, and fun is our main goal.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Jason Todd <jrtodd@MS.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:18:14 -0500
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball" Mainly NO

This is just gratuitous mainly Non-Origami info about Bucky Balls, just
because they are so cool.

Bucky balls are pretty nifty newly discovered form of carbon.
The name comes from Buckminster Fuller, the architect to created
geodesic domes.

In the simplest form they are like a soccer ball (12 pentagons and
plenty of hexagons).  You can create larger ones by adding more
hexagons, but there must always be 12 pentagons.  As mentioned earlier,
you can create a capsule-like object by splitting the sphere in two and
inserting a cylinder.  The whole family of molecules are called
"fullerenes" and are described in decent detail at
http://tiger.chm.bris.ac.uk/cm1/AndrewJ/Welcome.htm
Since they are hollow inside, chemists have been experimenting with
putting other molecules inside (this is called doping).

If you are really interested in modular origami and chemistry, then you
could pretty easily adapt the modulars that Rona and Krystyna have
listed earlier to create any of the larger fullerenes.

-Jason

More gratuitous bucky ball sites:

Gifs and Java applets of other fullerenes
http://shachi.cochem2.tutkie.tut.ac.jp/Fuller/Fuller.html

This one has a cool java app that allows you to rotate the C60 molecule
with the mouse
http://www.chem.ufl.edu/~chapo/thesis/viewer/th...java_bucky.html

Simulations of colliding a C240 with a C60 at different speeds
http://pads1.pa.msu.edu/csc/simulation.html





From: hecht <hecht@MCI2000.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:57:29 -0800
Subject: New diagram available (martini glass)

I've placed diagrams for my "Martini Glass" model on my site:

The URL is:  http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm

I appreciate feedback regarding:
    A.  problems browsing the site
    B.  clarity of the diagrams (graphical and textual)
    C.  errors and oversights
    D.  ideas for improvements/variations in the models

--Steve Hecht





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:38:24 -0700
Subject: Looking For Books

Let me guess...you like flowers!

The Japanese titles you list can be ordered directly from TRC:

Anyway, here is the contact info:

///TRC ONLINE BOOKSTORE
E-mail:sales@trc.co.jp
PHONE:+81-3-3943-3509
FAX:+81-3-3943-9501

And information on how to order is available on this web page:

http://www.trc.co.jp/trc-eng/order/order.htm

You can also order Japanese titles from

http://sasugabooks.com

or

http://fascinating-folds.com

It might also be faster for you to order from the U.S.; although it seems
lately that Sasuga often doesn't have books in stock, and you just have to
wait while they order them from Japan.

I'm pretty sure that TRC can get you all the Takahama and Momotami titles
quickly. I've never had trouble getting books from those publishers through
them. I believe the Kawasaki title you are referring is the new book with
the rose? TRC identifies that title as:

>  1.  Bara To Origami To Sugaku To(Rose origami and Mathematics)
>     Morikitashuppan
>     2800yen

and can get this one as well.

Italian titles can be purchased from one of the Italian online bookstores
listed here:

http://www.acses.com/bookstores.html

(If you order books internationally ACSES is a great site to bookmark.)

I don't think that you can still get the Gazzera book or the Appel and Grey
title. I believe both of these are out of print. You might watch for the
latter in the used bookstore market by visting this site frequently:

http://www.bookfinder.com

Hope you find your books. Ciao....

pat slider.

Date:    Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:40:01 -0500
From:    "Ducharme, Faron" <duchf@UNITRODE.COM>
Subject: Looking For Books

> Any help in locating the following books would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Origami Flowers & Flower Arrangements by Appel & Gray
>
> Fiori in Origami by Gazzera
>
> Origami Flowers by Takahawa(Japanese)
>
> Flower Origami by Yamaguchi
>
> Classic Flower by Kawasaki
>
> Origami Flowers by Momotani(Japanese) ISBN 4-416-38900-0
>
> Yoshizawa(Italian)
>
> Creative Life with Origami Book III by Takahama
>
>
> faron





From: Pancho <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:52:06 -0800
Subject: Re: New URL  of Origami Sweden

Hi Dino,

I tried to enter your frog diagram in:

http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46551/andrahtml/frog1.html

but I couldn't see the image. I couldn't see page 2 either.

I don't know if I'm the only one.

Regards,
Gabriel.

At 08:30 PM 10-03-99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>a short message just to say that the swedish origami society "Origami
Sverige" (Sverige= Sweden in swedish) homepage have been moved. The new URL
is:
>http://welcome.to/origami.sverige
>On our homepage you can find some pictures from our last convention in
Stockholm, some from the last CDO convention in Castel San Pietro Terme
(Italy), some diagrams (more coming soon!) and vital information about our
association and our mini-meetings. Welcome!
>
>Regards
>
>Dino Andreozzi





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:11:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for ornithorynchys diagram

Confirmed, platypus (aka Ornithorhyncus anatinus) found in
OrigamiUSA '96 Annual Convention. Intermediate model by David Chan,
rather terse diagrams.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos A. Furuti
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Krystyna i Wojciech Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:02:59 +0100
Subject: Re: Burczyk site error

Sorry for misspelling my address.
I have just uploaded a new picture of a bucky ball
Try once more.

http://www1.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/origami/g1-10-en.htm

Wojtek

-----Wiadomo oryginalna-----
Od: Cyrille Preaux <cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM>
Do: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Data: 10 marca 1999 18:08
Temat: Burczyk site error

the adresse below give me no response but
www1.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/origami/g1-10-en.htm

give me some...





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:46:57 +0100
Subject: Re: "Bucky ball" Mainly NO

Jason,
At 14.18 10/3/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>This is just gratuitous mainly Non-Origami info about Bucky Balls, just
>because they are so cool.

>More gratuitous bucky ball sites:
............

Just to add my two cents: on an academic chemistry site, I've found a nice
animated GIF featuring the Earth rotating inside a bucky ball. I don't
remember the URL, but I've saved the GIF and can send it to anyone
interested !

Roberto (chemist and paperfolder)





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:40:16 +1100
Subject: contacting TRC (was Re: Looking For Books)

Just a quick note regarding the above Japanese company. TRC do not seem to
respond to e-mails regarding their products without first setting up an
account (ie. you faxing your details to them).

I have tried contacting them on numerous occassions regarding the
availability of certain books - no replies to date. I have
indicated in the e-mails that I would be willing to set up an account
after I know of the book's availability, but this does not seem to help.

Eventually I decided to pay the extra charge through Sasuga as their
service was reliable and punctual. Anyone else facing a similar problem?

regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:58:12 +0000
Subject: Re: Looking For Books

Hi Faron and Members:

Origami Flower Arrangements by Appel & Gray can be found on the Origami USA
website. It's a great booklet, I highly recommend it!

http://www.origami-usa.org/frames1c.htm

I'm having so much fun with these flower arrangements.

Kathy  <*))))><

Ducharme, Faron wrote:

> > Any help in locating the following books would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Origami Flowers & Flower Arrangements by Appel & Gray





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:01:51 -0700
Subject: Re: SV:      Re: New URL  of Origami Sweden

Dino Andreozzi wrote:
>

>
> >Hi Dino,
> >
> >I tried to enter your frog diagram in:
> >
> >http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46551/andrahtml/frog1.html
> >
> >but I couldn't see the image. I couldn't see page 2 either.
>
> Dear Gabriel,
> I have tried the link on my computer and it works fine, I really don't know
     why you can not access the file.
>
> Regards
>
> Dino

I had the same problem as Gabriel, using Netscape 4.5.  Instead of
diagrams, I got a broken image.  However if I click on the broken image,
with the right button on my mouse,  I got the diagrams.

If I used Microsoft's Internet Explorer, they came out fine.  Obviously,
more of Bill Gates' machinations.
--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:25:40 -0800
Subject: Anyone heard of Biruta Kresling?

I received a pamphlet today about this woman's exhibition and workshops at
the villa Kujoyama in Kyoto. She's there on a research & creation residence
sponsoered by the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Her work is very
mathematical and it all looks like stuff I've seen before, but I believe
that she has developed it all on her own. She includes applications of her
work in architecture, engineering, product design, materials development,
and packaging.

I'd like to find out more about this person if possible. Anyone have any
info (especially people in France)?

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:02:49 -0800
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Biruta Kresling?

At 20:46 99/03/11 -0500, you wrote:
>Joseph asked about Biruta Kresling.
>
>She has an article on her work in the Prodeecings from the 3rd
>International Meeting on Origami Science and Scientific Origami
>(held in Otsu, Japan, 1994).  She also had an article in
>the special "origami issues" of the Quarterly Journal of
>ISIS-Symmetry back in 1994.  (Fascinating Folds was selling copies
>of these at one point.)

I knew her work seemed familiar. I should have looked in the proceedings
before I asked. Thanks for the info, Tom!

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:35:22 -0700
Subject: Re: contacting TRC

>Just a quick note regarding the above Japanese company. TRC do not seem to
>respond to e-mails regarding their products without first setting up an
>account (ie. you faxing your details to them).
>
>I have tried contacting them on numerous occassions regarding the
>availability of certain books - no replies to date. I have
>indicated in the e-mails that I would be willing to set up an account
>after I know of the book's availability, but this does not seem to help.

Well, I have vague memories that when I first contacted them they told me I
had to set up an account before they looked anything up, but I never had
any but minor translation difficulties with them after setting up an
account. (hmmmm. There was a small period of time last y

I actually understand their policy though. These international orders
require a TRC employee to spend time translating and communicating with you
on a personal basis. And the people I have dealt with really do attempt to
hunt down books for me. When I was first signed up I tried to get some
Origami House titles. They tried all their standard sources. Finally they
got the Origami House telephone number from me and called them up. They
have also been willing to look at cover scans to try and identify the
correct title I am trying to purchase. On a few occasions identifying the
correct title and isbn for a book that I only know a rough English
translation for has taken a number of email messages. So far I feel that
they believe in doing as much as possible to help me get the book I'm
looking for. A very high level of service.

Anyway, the point is, I can understand that they don't want to go through
all this effort for a casual inquiry. If someone has a Japanese browser
though, they can look up books in the TRC online database.





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:57:13 -0700
Subject: Re: contacting TRC

>Just a quick note regarding the above Japanese company. TRC do not seem to
>respond to e-mails regarding their products without first setting up an
>account (ie. you faxing your details to them).
>
>I have tried contacting them on numerous occassions regarding the
>availability of certain books - no replies to date. I have
>indicated in the e-mails that I would be willing to set up an account
>after I know of the book's availability, but this does not seem to help.

Well, I have vague memories that when I first contacted them they told me I
had to set up an account before they looked anything up, but I never had
any but minor translation difficulties with them after setting up an
account. (hmmmm. There was a small period of time last year when their
email software wasn't working correctly.)

I actually understand their "customer only" policy though. These
international orders require a TRC employee to spend time translating and
communicating with you on a personal basis. And the people I have dealt
with really do attempt to hunt down books for me. When I was first signed
up I tried to get some Origami House titles. They tried all their standard
sources. Finally they got the Origami House telephone number from me and
called them up. They have also been willing to look at cover scans to try
and identify the correct title I am trying to purchase. On a few occasions
identifying the correct title and isbn for a book that I only know a rough
English translation for has taken a number of email messages. So far I feel
that they believe in doing as much as possible to help me get the book I'm
looking for. A very high level of service.

Anyway, the point is, I can understand that they don't want to go through
all this effort for a casual inquiry. It could potentially be a time
investment for them of several hours.

This policy is just for those of us ordering from overseas. If you know
someone who has a Japanese browser, they can easily look up books in the
TRC online database.

TRC by the way is not an open bookstore in Japan. They are a library
supplier akin to Brodart (who sells books to libraries within the U.S.
too). It is my impression that the company just decided to take advantage
of already having a database-driven, warehouse sales system to make
additional internet sales as well.

>Eventually I decided to pay the extra charge through Sasuga as their
>service was reliable and punctual.

Well, I'm a member of Sasuga's book club and while I do indeed I appreciate
their service, I can't resist saying that I don't think I would use the
phrase "reliable and punctual" to describe them. I expect that other Sasuga
regulars will know exactly what I mean here :->. Sometimes I feel like I
have to become a bit of a nag to find out what is going on with my book
orders from them. Perhaps the employees have too much to do.

ciao,

pat slider.





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:46:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Biruta Kresling?

Joseph asked about Biruta Kresling.

She has an article on her work in the Prodeecings from the 3rd
International Meeting on Origami Science and Scientific Origami
(held in Otsu, Japan, 1994).  She also had an article in
the special "origami issues" of the Quarterly Journal of
ISIS-Symmetry back in 1994.  (Fascinating Folds was selling copies
of these at one point.)

Biruta seems interested in ways that nature folds things up,
like an incect's wings or a leaf unfolding from a bud.
She draws parallels to certain "pattern" folds, like Miura's
Map Fold, to what she sees happening in nature.  But the only
articles I've seen discuss the surface of this work - I
haven't seen any of her more scientific analysis.  I'd be
interested to know if anyone has more informative sources!

---- Tom "jam jam jammer" Hull
     Merrimack College
     thull@merrimack.edu





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:45:44 +0100
Subject: SV:      Re: New URL  of Origami Sweden

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Frn: Pancho <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Till: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Datum: den 10 mars 1999 22:22
mne: Re: New URL of Origami Sweden

>Hi Dino,
>
>I tried to enter your frog diagram in:
>
>http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46551/andrahtml/frog1.html
>
>but I couldn't see the image. I couldn't see page 2 either.

Dear Gabriel,
I have tried the link on my computer and it works fine, I really don't know why
     you can not access the file.

Regards

Dino
