




From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:31:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Der Falter "BOS" edition - free!

Mirjam van Vroonhoven asked about getting appropriate postage to the BOS
for a copy of Der Falter. I, too, have been puzzling over what to do.

In the USA, we can buy International Reply Coupons for $1.05 each and
send them anywhere in the world. They may be exchanged at any post office
for the value of a lowest-denomination airmail stamp. Since I don't know
how much a one-stamp airmail letter in UK may weigh, and I don't know how
much the booklet weighs, and the dollar-fives can add up quickly, I
decided not to do anything, at least for now. I will simply practice my
German in some other way.

But I thought the information above might help someone or encourage the
posting of more clues by Nick Robinson or other BOS Faltern (Falters?
Faltleute?), so there it is.

-Jane





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:23:08 -0500
Subject: Rabbit

Message text written by Origami List
>It seems I only send a message to the list when I need help--as now.  In
Randlett's Best of Origami, he has a picture of a rabbit by Neal Elias.  He
says it is closely related to Mr. Elias' lion, which is diagrammed in the
book.  The rabbit is not diagrammed.  If anyone has played around with this
and knows what changes to make to the lion diagram,  I would greatly
appreciate hearing from them.  Thanks in advance.  Pat<

        Elias had a rabbit in one of the old Origamian issues, possibly the
one you're looking for!  Mine are buried right now, but perhaps someone
else could provide the reference...?

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 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
 102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Michael LaFosse <info@ORIGAMIDO.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:38:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

Marcus Hanson wrote:

> Origami should be for every one.
> If I made a design I would share it with everyone.
> to hell with copyright in this case.

Copyright is not the issue, history is.  I think it a great service to
the origami community when credit is given, where credit is due.

I also find it refreshing to hear the creator of an origami design
graciously acknowledging the influence or borrowed technology of
another.  I personally feel more comfortable around such people: I know
I will be treated fairly should my work influence theirs.

Michael G. LaFosse





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:45:37 +0100
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

Marcus Hanson said :
>Anyway I find John Montrolls work repulsivly over detailed

    I hope John doesn't have a sister named Xuxi !

                    JJ Caaaaaaaaaslaongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:57:38 +0100
Subject: Re: Der Falter "BOS" edition - free!

On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Nick Robinson wrote:

< snip story about "Der Falters" for free >

>All you have to do is send a Stamped Addressed Envelope with enough
>postage to return a smallish booklet back to you - if there *isn't*
>enough postage, it won't be sent - sorry!

I would like to have this booklet, but I'm in the Netherlands. And I can't buy
English stamps here. Should I send money with my envelope? And how much? I may
be able to find some British pounds somewhere...

Greetings,

Mirjam van Vroonhoven.
------------
mirjamv@theochem.kun.nl
http://www.theochem.kun.nl/~mirjamv/





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:58:55 -0500 (
Subject: NOLAN's Creating Origami  WAS: Design (crediting) problem.

In a message dated 3/3/99 9:43:36 AM Central Standard Time, info@ORIGAMIDO.COM
writes:

<<
 I also find it refreshing to hear the creator of an origami design
 graciously acknowledging the influence or borrowed technology of
 another.  I personally feel more comfortable around such people: I know
 I will be treated fairly should my work influence theirs.
  >>
Hey gang:

I like how JC NOLAN's book " Creating Origami" is credited.... He gives us
lots of explanation of the ways his models were created... and gives credit.

I found this book, CREATING ORIGAMI, to be a "treasure chest" of information.
and I applaud Blace and CO. for publishing it.... I hope to have a book
published within the year, and I plan on using this approach to explain the
origins of my designs.  It is interesting to hear the whole story about how
his models came about.

I highly recommend NOLAN's Creating Origami!

Sincerely,
Russell : )

DARE TO FOLD!





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 14:02:19 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Der Falter "BOS" edition - free!

Nick, How much American money for postage do we need to send for a free copy
of Der Falter.  Dorigami





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:16:07 +1100
Subject: Re: sheet metal origami

An interesting site to check out where various metals have been used in
folding is:

http://personal.redestb.es/jhoms/Lluind_a.htm

Lluis has used aluminium cans for modular work, and even folded a Pajarite
from a peseta coin!

regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:23:51 +1100
Subject: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?

Hi all,

I have recently been discovering the joys of Neil Elias. According to the
introduction to the BOS Elias handbooks, a "Complete Works" was slated for
releasesome time after 1990, edited by Dave Venerables. After checking the
archives, I found that Steve Casey asked the same question back in 1996,
but I couldn't find an answer.

I was also thinking back to when I first joined this list a while back,
and there was talk at the time of work on a CD ROM regarding a particular
artist. At the time I knew very little about origami, so I didn't take a
great deal of notice, but the name "Elias" is now tugging at my memory as
the subject of this project. I remember there was a call for questions
to be submitted from members of origami-l.

Any help is appreciated in this matter, and as always thankyou in advance

regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Steven Casey <093535@BUD.CC.SWIN.EDU.AU>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:04:32 +1100
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

 I believe Peter Budai should receive recognition for his his creative
efforts even if the finished model is similar in structure. I think
you'll see a clear difference in the way John and Peter arrive at the finish
product. And the finishing off is probably entirely different. Maybe an
acknowledgement of Johns independent work would be thoughtful if there
is an obvious link . Although this gets a bit tiresome when a model
radically departs and takes on its own personality.

 I am reminded of the time Wayne Brown innocently sent me diagrams of a
flapping bird, and at the top the diagram he had claimed credit as the
designer. It was in fact an exact copy of a a model I had previously
designed and had been published in 'British Origami'. A few weeks later
Wayne wrote back to me saying he felt like an idiot because he had
subconsciously reproduced the model and sent it to the original designer
. But I felt he should still receive recognition for it because
he had in fact gone through a deliberate design process and had nutted it
out for himself. The process and techniques where different even if the
model wasn't. It was his way of folding it!.

 However I was some what peeved when I visit Steve and Megumi Biddle some
years ago and showed them a number of my designs, when without asking
Steve began reverse engineering my 'Santa'. Years Later the model turned
up with some modifications in a book. Although the issue of credit was
'neatly' side stepped by saying the model was based on a previous
design by myself.

 Only the designer knows ultimately if he or she honestly and
independently designed a model. It's an impossible thing to prove out right.

Steve Casey





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:53:32 +0100
Subject: Re: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?

>I have recently been discovering the joys of Neil Elias. According to the
>introduction to the BOS Elias handbooks, a "Complete Works" was slated for
>releasesome time after 1990, edited by Dave Venerables. After checking the
>archives, I found that Steve Casey asked the same question back in 1996,
>but I couldn't find an answer.

A "complete works" was never done in printed form.

However Dave Venables and I are making a CDROM that contains the scanned
complete works.

>I was also thinking back to when I first joined this list a while back,
>and there was talk at the time of work on a CD ROM regarding a particular
>artist. At the time I knew very little about origami, so I didn't take a
>great deal of notice, but the name "Elias" is now tugging at my memory as
>the subject of this project. I remember there was a call for questions
>to be submitted from members of origami-l.

probably it was this CDROM about Neal.

The status on the CD is as follows:

* all diagrams are scanned, the database containing them created, as well as
some basic zooming,panning and previewing funcionality.

* an audio interview was recorded and edited...and it sounds like shit
because Neal didn't have any professional recording equipment, so he
recorded it using a home tape recoder. But at least it'd done the best we
could.

* a video interview, also amateurish ( with the good and bad sides of it)
was also recorded on tape, but I have been having problems digitalizing it
 after 30 minutes video and audio skew about one second, and no dropped
frames had been reported). So I am working on it.

The CDROM will be ready this year. I am doing all the programming,
digitalizing of audio,video and that stuff...and I have been having some
stormy months ( moving to a new house, changing jobs,and all that), that is
why it's quite silent about it.





From: Marcus Hanson <hecatomb@CARROLLSWEB.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:25:37 -0600
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

> >Anyway I find John Montrolls work repulsivly over detailed<
>
>         Sounds like someone's itching to restart the "Realism vs.
> Symbolicism" debate...

Fine by me.
Funny I expected more bashing than this.
Anyway, I have my opinion and philosophy about origami .
Weather it be constructive or not I feel I have the right to share it.

Perhaps it's my modern artist sensibility's that cause me to appreciate
simplification over realistic.
Perhaps it's because I feel I'm molesting the paper when I do most
overly complex models.
In short Some one once said " Art must delight and inspire"
art or not I am neither delighted or inspired by Mr Montroll.
Or as kasahara said " were we to try to give accurate origami
representation
to insect body forms, the result would be grotesque, but if we give
attention
to the general form rather than the details, they turn out to be
surprisingly good."
While he was specificly referring to insects. I contend that  it apply's
to all origami.
For example
compare Mr. Kasahara's Rhino to Mr. Montroll's
the main differance between the two end results is the 2nd horn.
Kasahara's has none.
While Kasahara's is under 15 steps - Montroll's is 80+
Also to get a six inch tall model on montroll's you must start with a
two foot
sheet of paper.
I know I tried.
I feel kasahara's is in no way inferior to Montroll's
Yet it has the simplicity and elegance that Montroll's does not.
But that is my personal sense of aesthetics.

p.s. to be a creator is not for the faint of heart.
I'm sure Mr. Montroll can take it.





From: hecht <hecht@MCI2000.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:36:19 -0800
Subject: New diagram available ($ hexagon ring)

I've placed diagrams for my "$ Hexagon Ring" model on my site:

The URL is:  http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm

I've also added PDF-format diagram files for all the models.  Sorry it took
so long, but I didn't realize it was so droolingly easy to create them from
Freehand8.  I recommend these over the GIFs, which I'll continue to provide.

As always, I appreciate feedback regarding:
    A.  problems browsing the site
    B.  clarity of the diagrams (graphical and textual)
    C.  errors and oversights
    D.  ideas for improvements/variations in the models

--steve hecht





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:10:45 +0000
Subject: Re: Der Falter "BOS" edition - free!

Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL> sez

>Should I send money with my envelope? And how much? I may
>be able to find some British pounds somewhere...

#2 should cover it, if you can!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/   - back online!





From: Caleb Cheung <caleb@OUSD.K12.CA.US>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:05:41 -0800
Subject: New to the Group/Classroom Origami

Hi!

I'm really glad to find this list!  I have been folding origami since I was a
kid.  I remember being bored with simple models and not finding enough good
books with complex models.  In this past year my interest was revived upon
running across Lang's Insect Origami Book.  Having an Entomology background,
this book was great!  It combined two of my favorite interests.  Since then, my
origami book collection has grown quite a bit.

Are there are other books that will be or have been published recently with
mostly complex models similar to Lang's Insect book or Montroll's Sea
Life/Dinos/Animal's books?  Are there magazines or other sources I access?
I've folded pretty much all the models in the books that I have and would
love to look for more.

I am also a middle school science teacher out here in Oakland,
California.  My students have seen me folding various things in the past year
and asked if I could teach them.  What started as a few students casually
meeting after school has become a full blown club that meets weekly to learn
from each other.  I've been using Montroll's Teach Yourself Origami.  It's
probably the best beginner's book I've seen.  It covers all the basics and helps
my students to make quick progress.  Before I ran across it I almost put
together a hodge podge of stuff just to get at all the basics that I wanted to
teach.  Thanks John!  Are there others of you that also teach Origami regularly
to students?  I would love to hear about experiences and how you have everything
set up.

Thanks in advance and look forward to reading things on this list!

Caleb Cheung
Carter Middle School
Oakland, California
The Niche - http://ousdmail.ousd.k12.ca.us/~caleb/index.html





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:57:46 -0500
Subject: That Ol' Debate...

Message text written by Origami List
>Fine by me.
Funny I expected more bashing than this.
Anyway, I have my opinion and philosophy about origami .
Weather it be constructive or not I feel I have the right to share it.
<

        Well, I _was_ being a bit facetious when I brought up the old,
oft-times heated debate!  8-D  You are, of course, entitled to your
opinion:  if you prefer simpler models, that's your prerogative and no one
can tell you otherwise.  (Personally, I prefer the challenge of folding the
complex models and producing the largest number of anatomically correct
details, but then again, I'm in a heavily biological profession in which
the study and perception of anatomical details is of prime importance, so I
may be biased...)  And, what with freedom of speech and all, you've
certainly got the right to voice your opinion where and when you choose (as
long as your opinions don't include the opinion that there is a fire in a
crowded theater...  ;-D  )

 _,_
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--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
 102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:55:17 -0800
Subject: Re; M.LaFosse

What a great perspective on the issue of credit! It's nice to see origami
can bring out the zen in something as mundane as copyright. Just think, some
day this discussion will be over genes.





From: Dave Venables <davevenables@USA.NET>
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 02:36:57 -0700 (
Subject: Re: [      Re: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?]

         Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE> wrote:
>I have recently been discovering the joys of Neil Elias. According to the
>introduction to the BOS Elias handbooks, a "Complete Works" was slated for
>releasesome time after 1990, edited by Dave Venables. After checking the
>archives, I found that Steve Casey asked the same question back in 1996,
>but I couldn't find an answer.

>From Dave Venables:

Please bear with us on this project. It has grown bigger than ever I imagined,
thinking that at one time just the scanned images on a cd would be a
substitute for the printed form which never appeared (partly because of time
and partly because of the inability to find a sponser). The CD seemed to be a
way of making Neal Elias's origami contribution more widely available. The
idea of re drawing all the models - even selecting the better ones was always
a non starter. The BOS booklet no. 10 with only 10 models took an age to draw
up. Neals diagrams are generally accurate although they frequently cross
reference each other and often include several steps in one diagram. The were
only ever intended as a personal record to save having to store folded
examples.
Getting together with Ariel has taken the project to new levels. Ok it will
never be as polished as some other origami publications but it will be a
quantum leap from my first intentions.
There are over 700 models spanning Neals creativity  over 25 years in the
collection. We will complete the project but we both have other distractions
in life such as work and family. This is an ametuer project at the end of the
day and both Ariel and I are into it for the love of it only. Please be as
patient as you can. Those that have offered help - thank you. I have a few
dilemmas - finished models - would be nice to have... would like the scanned
images cleaned.....  but all will take time - 700 models and I guess over 1000
pages of diagrams. When we've deceided the direction we'll be in touch.

Best Wishes

Dave Venables

____________________________________________________________________
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From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:32:28 -0500
Subject: Wopit wopit, paper art from the Phillipines?

Has anybody heard of this?

-Eric Andersen
origami@netspace.org

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:45:16 EST
From: Arose1962@aol.com
To: origami@netspace.org

I am interested in a paper art form from the Phillipines. Forgive the
spelling, but it is proncounced WOPIT WOPIT which means to cut. Do you know
anything about this or where I could learn more? Thanks for any info.





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:30:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Design (crediting) problem.

Hello Fellows,

First of all, thanks for the answers. Let me react on the main points.

I went public with this issue because I know problems like this emerge with
almost everyone who tries to create something. I did not want to blow
another copyright-bomb but I guess there was nothing about "copyright"
itself in my mail. In my opinion, "re-creational" problems like this are
less 'copyrighty' than consciencious. I do have re-created some models
which, when I got to know they were duplicates, I immediately canceled. But
now there was a difference in appearance.

Of course, I didn't want to go without any credit/permission of John Montroll.
I was rather hesitating about how to do it or wether to do anything more
with the model.

I don't think this case is similar to "the purlioned xyz", because I don't
claim myself the first one who created it. It would be ridiculous.

Just to make things clearer, (I forgot to write it before), I have designed
the croco after a model by myself (the Comodo Dragon -> Published in an
OUSA Annual, I guess '97).

For the Comodo Dragon I constructed the base myself, using a compound
technique of Robert Lang's Tree Method plus a kind of "Bun-shi" (Molecules)
Method. [Just because I wasn't 100% good implementing the Tree Method by
hand and rulers, from what I've heard of Bun-shi, I mixed it up with the
results of the Tree Method and I was ready]. Then later, I have made two
more models from this base (an anteater and this croco).
But only now I did realise that the base could have been derieved from
Montroll's Crocodile. I don't feel bad about the base, the Comodo Dragon
and the Anteater but the croco is the same subject, so...

The diagrams are different, because the first 20-25 pictures are the same
as the Comodo Dragon.

I do created this croco independently but since I know it's structurally
the very same, I can not claim it my very own afterall. On the other hand,
as I told, it looks different, so I decided to diagram the model (although
it will be set back in priority), so that those who are interested, can fol
it (wet-folding gives a nice result).
But I guess I won't publish it in book. If I get along well with HTML, I'm
planning to operate a small Web page, to which I intend to put it (so
folders who really want to fold it -and have Internet-access-, can access
it). First of course, I have to speak with John Montroll, no doubt. Of
course credit will be given.

And yes, I have discovered that I must go another way and I think of new or
fresh subjets (such as 'Comodo Dragon' and like that -even if it could be
called "lizard"-). And I do keep away from creating modulars, too. If I
bingo on a Montroll model, what would happen in the world of modulars? :)
(My first modular attempt turned out to be a re-creation....brrrr....)

BTW, yes, J.C. Nolan's Creating Origami has a lot of truth about creating
origami models.

Thank you all again for the tips and views!

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:38:09 -0500 (
Subject: What is the World's Record???

Hey Fellow Folders,

I have just created a model with which I hope to break the WORLD'S RECORD for
the tallest freestanding one piece origami.

I have searched the archives, the origami curiosities page, and even called
GUINESS (answering machine... I hate answering machines).  Unfortunately , I
have not found out what the current record ( if there is one) is.

Can anyone enlighten me... so I know how tall I have to make this model?  Mr.
Lister???

Regards,

Russell Sutherland
AKA: the LONE FOLDER

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!!





From: Bob Stack <Noobob@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:36:32 -0500 (
Subject: Re: [      Re: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?]

To Dave and Ariel
        We will try to be patient but are eager to see the end product





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:53:59 +0100
Subject: Re: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?

On Wed, Mar 03, 1999 at 04:53:32PM +0100, Ariel wrote:
> * all diagrams are scanned, the database containing them created, as well as
> some basic zooming,panning and previewing funcionality.

Oh dear. I may be fearing the worst, but --

Does this mean that the CDROM will be accessible only under Windows?

I hope not, since this would make it impossible for me (and many other
people, I expect) to appreciate Neal Elias's genius. I do hope that the
scanned pages are also available in some standard format, like pdf, gif
or png -- perhaps with a nice HTML interface.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:51:57 -0500 (
Subject: Origami Screensaver

Will the person who contacted me about an origami screensaver please email me
again.  I lost your email address.

Thanks
Patty

@  Rockygrod.aol.com





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:05:16 +0000
Subject: Re: What is the World's Record???

Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM> sez

>I have just created a model with which I hope to break the WORLD'S RECORD for
>the tallest freestanding one piece origami.

I once had a 20foot roll of paper stood on one end, so that's one target
to aim for! You might need to clarify your conditions...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:07:51 +0000
Subject: Re: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?

Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU> sez

>I have recently been discovering the joys of Neil Elias. According to the
>introduction to the BOS Elias handbooks, a "Complete Works" was slated for
>releasesome time after 1990, edited by Dave Venerables.

As you've heard, Mr Venerables is hard at work on the project (between
eating Cadbury's Cream Eggs!) but in the meantime, why not have a look
at the 3 other Elias volumes still in print at BOS supplies?

We're hoping to reprint the classic early booklet, perhaps the best
existing collection of Neil's work, also written by Mr. Venrrables.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:11:39 -0500
Subject: Nick Robinson's New Book

  Just saw Nick Robinson's new book, Absolute Beginner's Origami, at my
local Barnes&Noble. Great job, Nick! Beautifully laid out, lay-flat ring
binding, color photos - all the classics are there, including some simple
non-standards, like the woodpecker. There is also a photo gallery of
non-diagrammed pieces at the end. Looks like a must-have, especially if you
do any teaching at all. A bit pricey at $22.50 US list but available for $18
at amazon (see link). Thanks Nick!

Yaacov Metzger

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0823000540/qid%3D920657298/002-216283
9-8144047





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:35:22 +1100
Subject: Spelling cofusion [ was whatever happened to the Elias volumes?]

Hi Dave,

Thanks to Ariel and yourself for the update on the CDROM, and apologies
for the mis-spelling of your surname. I could argue, however, that
"venerable" is an apt term for those willing to undertake this particular
project!

This work is certainly anticipated (by me at least), and although I am not
sure what help I can offer besides support and encouragment, please feel
free to contact me privately with suggestions (maybe providing finished
models?)

Regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Dave Venables <davevenables@USA.NET>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:43:53 -0700 (
Subject: Re: [      Re: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?]

 Ok, ok,ok.......

The name is VENABLES !!

I've been spurred into action and am activley woring on the Elias project.
This Year is a real promise.......

Best Wishes

Dave Venables

       Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK> wrote:

>releasesome time after 1990, edited by Dave Venerables.

We're hoping to reprint the classic early booklet, perhaps the best
existing collection of Neil's work, also written by Mr. Venrrables.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda
syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos

____________________________________________________________________
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From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:20:27 +0900
Subject: Three announcements from Origami Tanteidan

Origami Tanteidan, the group of origamists in Japan, has three
announcements for foreign origamists.

1) Origami Tanteidan will hold the 5th convention this August 20-22.
 We would like to invite two foreign origamists to this convention.
 We are accepting candidates until the end of this March.

 The selected guests must attend 5th convention and
 instruct some models. They must also supervise an exhibition
 at Gallery Origami House.

 Yoshino Issei Fund offers each of them 200,000 yen for traveling
 and staying expenses. We exempt them from the admission fee of 5th
 convention and the social. We also advise on their stay.

 See http://www.origami.gr.jp/Media/Y-Found99-e.html for the detail.

2) Origami Tanteidan exempt all foreigners from the admission fee of
 5th convention and the social to celebrate our 10th anniversary.
 We will welcome all of you to our 5th convention.

3) Origami Tanteidan is accepting the subscription to our
 Origami Tanteidan Magazine (former Origami Tanteidan Newsletter).
 The first issue of volume 10 will be published in this May.

 We will publish six issues a year. Each has 36 pages, including
 diagrams of 16 pages and articles by Robert Lang, Fuse Tomoko,
 Maekawa Jun, Tanaka Tomoko, and so on. They are written in
 Japanese but you will have English titles of all articles.

 The annual fee is 3,000 yen or US$30.
 To subscribe, see http://www.origami.gr.jp/Intro/join-e.html

If you have any questions, feel free to ask to me.

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:51:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Nick Robinson's New Book

Metzger, Jacob <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM> sez

>  Just saw Nick Robinson's new book, Absolute Beginner's Origami, at my
>local Barnes&Noble.

I'm glad to hear it 'cause they haven't sent me a copy yet - I've seen
the review copy they sent Dave Brill though... ;(

>Great job, Nick! Beautifully laid out, lay-flat ring
>binding, color photos

I'm happy with that aspect.

>There is also a photo gallery of
>non-diagrammed pieces at the end.

Yes indeed. These were a box of samples I gave them at the start of the
project, to give them some ideas. I didn't realise they were going in
the book until it was too late to make better ones. I therefore
apologise for these! The same applies to the "quick tips" at the foot of
each page - I did *not* draw them and the publishers did *not* make the
corrections I sent down. Therefore, nit-pickers can have a field day
tracking down the errors. However, they are relatively small in the
grand scheme of things & don't spoil the book (except for me!)

Start to finish I think was about 2 months, woefully short to do a
proper job, but perhaps better that a "real" folder tackled it rather
than an in-house "craftsperson".

Perhaps this would be a very bad time to request flying designs of all
kinds for my next project (for a German publisher) but nonetheless, wing
them to me ASAP!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:06:07 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Three announcements from Origami Tanteidan

Dear Friends,  I am excited to hear about your convention this year, I hope to
make the
trip from England myself. And I will also be sending the 3,000 yen to
subscribe to the new
Tanteidan magazine. My very best wishes to you all for the success of the
convention, and with the magazine.
Just one more question: In a recent NOA magazine I saw an advertisement for a
new
origami magazine (I think?) by Fumiaki Kawahata called "TAN - KA".......I
would like to
buy copies of this magazine, and I wonder if you could E - Mail me, to let me
know how I
can do this?
Many thanks for your help. Incidentally, my address is Ricknbeech@AOL.com

I look forward to hearing from you......

Your Friend,

Rick Beech.





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:39:34 +0000
Subject: Re: Three announcements from Origami Tanteidan

Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM> sez

>Dear Friends,  I am excited to hear about your convention this year, I hope to
>make the

Rick - if you click "reply" to any ori-l messages, your reply goes back
to every subscriber. If you want to reply personally, you have to
cut/paste their individual address into the "to" box. I know this
because I sent quite a personal reply to the whole list & severely
embarrassed myself!

Please let me know if you want this kind of "netiquette" pointing out!!!

How's the dtp'ing coming along?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 00:03:12 +0100
Subject: Rick & Nick

Nick,
At 19.39 6/3/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM> sez
>
>>Dear Friends,  I am excited to hear about your convention this year, I
hope to
>>make the
>
>Rick - if you click "reply" to any ori-l messages, your reply goes back
>to every subscriber.

Did you click "reply", Nick ? Was THIS reply intended for Rick only ? It is
being read by every suscriber.....

;-)

Roberto

BTW: Welcome to this list, Rick ! Hope your family is well. It's years I'm
not hearing from you.





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 11:00:53 -0800 (
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek

______________________________________________________
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From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:40:53 -0500 (
Subject: Re: New to the Group/Classroom Origami

In a message dated 3-3-99 10:41:43 PM, you wrote:

<<Are there others of you that also teach Origami regularly
to students?  I would love to hear about experiences and how you have
everything
set up.>>

I am a retired teacher who often as a sub uses origami in the classroom.  I
try to always use 2 sided paper so the students can see the folds better.  I
use paper much larger than the students and fold one fold at a time then go
around to each table.  If someone is having trouble I designate another
student to help.  We often review basic folds and/or bases by doing quick and
easy projects.  Sometimes I pass out a diagram and ask them to fold it on
their own.  This gives you a chance to see who needs help reading diagams -
which seems to be where most errors are made.  Keep up the good work with
kids.  Barbara





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:43:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Folding California

Is "Folding California" available to the public?  Where?  How much?

Thank you

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson
madawson@sprynet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: sheet metal origami

Hi Clare!

I would enjoy hearing your comments and feedback, both positive and
negative, about Folding California.

Dorothy





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:20:54 -0800
Subject: Re: New to the Group/Classroom Origami

At 12:40 PM 3/7/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3-3-99 10:41:43 PM, you wrote:
>
><<Are there others of you that also teach Origami regularly
>to students?  I would love to hear about experiences and how you have
>everything
>set up.>>
>
>I am a retired teacher who often as a sub uses origami in the classroom.  I
>try to always use 2 sided paper so the students can see the folds better.  I
>use paper much larger than the students and fold one fold at a time then go
>around to each table.  If someone is having trouble I designate another
>student to help.  We often review basic folds and/or bases by doing quick and
>easy projects.  Sometimes I pass out a diagram and ask them to fold it on
>their own.  This gives you a chance to see who needs help reading diagams -
>which seems to be where most errors are made.  Keep up the good work with
>kids.  Barbara
>
>

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for answering the post.  It sounds like we do pretty much the same thing
when we use origami for subbing.  I have an origami club at the local
library too,
and a web page with a friend who takes my material and puts it up for me on the
site.  Have you ever gone to a convention for Origami?  Where are you located?
You can see my page under USA links on Joseph Wu's Origami Page Links -
Ria's Fold
If you visit the site, please let me know what you think.

Cheers,
Ria





From: Jeadams1@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:14:19 -0500 (
Subject: Lang's Grasshopper from "The Complete Book of Origami"

I'm am having problems with step 7 of Robert Lang's grasshopper from "The
Complete Book of Origami." Here's a portion of the diagram in question.

                                A

 -------------------------------*
                              //|\\
                            //  |  \
                          //    |   \\
                        //      |     \\
                      //        |       \\ C
                     /          |         \
                   //           |          X\
                 //             |         / \\\
               //               |        /   \ \\
             //                 |        /   \   \
           //                   |       /     \   \\   E
         X/                     |      /      \     \X
          \\                    |      /       \   //
            \\                  |     /         \ /
              \\                |     /         X/
                \\              |    /        // D
                  \\            |   /       //
                    \           |   /      /
                     \\         |  /     //
                       \\       | /    //
                         \\     | /  //
                           \\   |/  /
                             \\ / //
 -------------------------------*/
                                B

Are angles ABC and CBE equal, i.e., bisect angle ABE? What is the relationship
between angles BCD and DCE? I don't think they bisect angle BCE. Is this
required sink on the right-hand side suppose to be a double sink, i.e., sink
in along crease BC and then sink out along crease CD? Are these open sinks or
closed sinks? The real problems I have are relating the results of this
maneuver to the diagrams in step 10 and 19. In step 10 I don't get a flap on
the right side that can be easily sink folded. In step 19, I can't fold the
flaps on the far right up on both sides to produce the figure in step 20.

I've searched for help through the Origami-L database as well as the Errata
and Hints file without luck. (Well, others have expressed the same problems,
but no replies were found.) Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks!

Jim Adams





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:34:45 -0800
Subject: Re: New to the Group/Classroom Origami

At 07:05 PM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I'm really glad to find this list!  I have been folding origami since I was a
>kid.  I remember being bored with simple models and not finding enough good
>books with complex models.  In this past year my interest was revived upon
>running across Lang's Insect Origami Book.  Having an Entomology background,
>this book was great!  It combined two of my favorite interests.  Since then, my
>origami book collection has grown quite a bit.
>
>Are there are other books that will be or have been published recently with
>mostly complex models similar to Lang's Insect book or Montroll's Sea
>Life/Dinos/Animal's books?  Are there magazines or other sources I access?
>I've folded pretty much all the models in the books that I have and would
>love to look for more.
>
>I am also a middle school science teacher out here in Oakland,
>California.  My students have seen me folding various things in the past year
>and asked if I could teach them.  What started as a few students casually
>meeting after school has become a full blown club that meets weekly to learn
>from each other.  I've been using Montroll's Teach Yourself Origami.  It's
>probably the best beginner's book I've seen.  It covers all the basics and
helps
>my students to make quick progress.  Before I ran across it I almost put
>together a hodge podge of stuff just to get at all the basics that I wanted to
>teach.  Thanks John!  Are there others of you that also teach Origami regularly
>to students?  I would love to hear about experiences and how you have
everything
>set up.
>
>Thanks in advance and look forward to reading things on this list!
>
>Caleb Cheung
>Carter Middle School
>Oakland, California
>The Niche - http://ousdmail.ousd.k12.ca.us/~caleb/index.html
>
>
Hi Caleb,

    I searched my mail back to last week and found your original post.  I
wrote to
another substitute teacher who answered your post.  I, too, have used the
same Montroll
book to cover the basics.  I started the club for kids at the library, but
now we have
adults who enjoy origami too, and I hope to get them interested in attending
a convention
in NYC this summer.

Welcome to the list!

Ria Sutter





From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:34:30 -0800
Subject: Seattle PAPER meeting announcement

I haven't posted for awhile, so I thought I would troll to see if there are any
     unattached Pacific Northwesterners looking for a folding group.

This coming Sunday, March 14, is the next meeting of PAPER (Puget Area
     Paperfolding Enthusiasts Roundtable).  We will meet from 1-4 pm at the
     University Heights Community Center, in Seattle.  If you are interested,
     please email me at the address below.  I
 will be glad to fill you in on the details.

Come fold with PAPER!

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
There is love in the red letters
There is truth in the red letters
There is hope for the hopeless
Peace and forgiveness
There is life in the red letters
                dcTalk, "Red Letters"





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 16:44:20 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Lang's Grasshopper from "The Complete Book of Origami"

Jim Adams wrote:

> I'm am having problems with step 7 of Robert Lang's grasshopper
> from "The Complete Book of Origami." Here's a portion of the
> diagram in question.
                                A
 -------------------------------*
                              //|\\
                            //  |  \
                          //    |   \\
                        //      |     \\
                      //        |       \\ C
                     /          |         \
                   //           |          X\
                 //             |         / \\\
               //               |        /   \ \\
             //                 |        /   \   \
           //                   |       /     \   \\   E
         X/                     |      /      \     \X
          \\                    |      /       \   //
            \\                  |     /         \ /
              \\                |     /         X/
                \\              |    /        // D
                  \\            |   /       //
                    \           |   /      /
                     \\         |  /     //
                       \\       | /    //
                         \\     | /  //
                           \\   |/  /
                             \\ / //
 -------------------------------*/
                                B

> Are angles ABC and CBE equal, i.e., bisect angle ABE?

Yes.

> What is the relationship between angles BCD and DCE? I don't think > they
bisect angle BCE.

CBD and DCE are equal. BCD is twice DCE.

> Is this required sink on the right-hand side suppose to be a double
> sink, i.e., sink in along crease BC and then sink out along crease
> CD?

Yes. And then you go back in so that the raw edge of the paper ends up along
line AB (on the inside of the model).

> Are these open sinks or closed sinks?

Open.

> The real problems I have are relating the results of this maneuver > to the
diagrams in step 10 and 19. In step 10 I don't get a flap on
> the right side that can be easily sink folded.

Well, it's not easy to sink-fold. It might help to know that the corner of the
flap to be sunk in step 10 has 4 edges emanating from it (two up, two down)
and the two edges on the upper side have a layer of paper between them that
makes the sink harder. But it's still doable.

> In step 19, I can't fold the flaps on the far right up on both
> sides to produce the figure in step 20.

Can't help you on this one. Do you have two distinct flaps? It might help to
think of the sinks in this way: when you're done with the sinks, the raw edge
of the paper is in exactly the same place it was in step 7.

> I've searched for help through the Origami-L database as well as
> the Errata and Hints file without luck. (Well, others have
> expressed the same problems, but no replies were found.) Any
> assistance would be appreciated. Thanks!

Hope this helps,

Robert





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 19:20:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Rick & Nick

Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT> sez

>Did you click "reply", Nick ? Was THIS reply intended for Rick only ? It is
>being read by every suscriber.....

Of course it was private, just as this message is. Do you think I'm a
*complete* fool?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: hecht <hecht@MCI2000.COM>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 19:49:27 -0800
Subject: New diagram available ($ heart ring)

I've placed diagrams for my "$ Heart Ring" model on my site:

The URL is:  http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm

(Sorry, a little bit late for Valentine's day this year...)

I appreciate feedback regarding:
    A.  problems browsing the site
    B.  clarity of the diagrams (graphical and textual)
    C.  errors and oversights
    D.  ideas for improvements/variations in the models

--Steve Hecht





From: Daniela Carboni <s134259@STUDENTI.ING.UNIPI.IT>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 00:08:32 +0100
Subject: Re: Lang's Grasshopper from "The Complete Book of Origami"

Jim Adams wrote

>I'm am having problems with step 7 of Robert Lang's grasshopper from "The
>Complete Book of Origami."

                                A

 -------------------------------*
                              //|\\
                            //  |  \
                          //    |   \\
                        //      |     \\
                      //        |       \\ C
                     /          |         \
                   //           |          X\
                 //             |         / \\\
               //               |        /   \ \\
             //                 |        /   \   \
           //                   |       /     \   \\   E
         X/                     |      /      \     \X
          \\                    |      /       \   //
            \\                  |     /         \ /
              \\                |     /         X/
                \\              |    /        // D
                  \\            |   /       //
                    \           |   /      /
                     \\         |  /     //
                       \\       | /    //
                         \\     | /  //
                           \\   |/  /
                             \\ / //
 -------------------------------*/
                                B

>Are angles ABC and CBE equal, i.e., bisect angle ABE?

Yes.

>What is the relationship
>between angles BCD and DCE? I don't think they bisect angle BCE.

That's right, they don't bisect angle BCE

I tried to fold the model, here is a partial view of the zone in which you
have to do the sink fold. I draw the fold lines on the re-opened paper.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                            (Up here is the rest of the model)

                     A
    __________________
____________________
                     |\                  |                 /|
                     |  :                                :  |
                     |    \              |             /    |
                     |      :                        :      |
                     |        \          |         /        |
       (Here is a    |          :                :          |
       white flap)   |           \  C    |    H/            |      (Here is a
                     |             :_.._.._.._:             |      white flap)
                     |            /\     :    /\            |
                     |           :       |      :           |
                     |          /    \   :E  /   \          |
                     |         :         |        :         |
                     |        /       D\ _ /G      \        |
                     |       :       /  :|: \       :       |
                     |      /      /    \ /   \      \      |
                     |     :     /     ..^..    \     :     |            //
         \\          |    /    /    ../  |F \..   \    \    |          //
           \\        |   :   /   ../           \..  \   :   |        //
             \\      |  /  /  ../        |        \.. \  \  |      //
               \\    | : / ../                       \..\ : |    //
                 \\  |//../              |              \.\\|  //
                   \\|/____________________________________\|//
                    B                    L

I think it is better if you first fold the preliminary folds shown in step
7, than partially unfold the model, take a look at the above scheme and
then sink fold all the thing.

BAC is 45 degrees angle.

ABC = CBD = DBF = FBL.

Pay attention to the trapezium CDGH and to the triangle DFG, the trapezium
goes inwards from top to bottom, the triangle comes outwards. Point E (on
your scheme) is somewhere on the middle line of trapetium CDGH.

Segment CH is the edge of the small triangle on the right in the diagram of
step 8.

Edge BL is inside the model when all is folded toghether, BC and BF are
coincident and they are the lower right edge shown in the diagram of step 8.

I am not sure it is the right way but it seemed to work.

It is not the simplest sink fold I have encountered in my life.

I hope I have been of help.

Ciao,
     Daniela.

/\_/\    Daniela S. Carboni
 o o     email: s134259@studenti.ing.unipi.it
= # =    http://www.fortunecity.com/rushdie/93/





From: Bob Stack <Noobob@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:07:10 -0500 (
Subject: Re: [      Re: whatever happened to the Elias volumes?]

Out of curiousity is the missing letter h or k?

The name is VENABLES !!

I've been spurred into action and am activley woring on the Elias project.
This Year is a real promise.......

Best Wishes

Dave Venables





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:47:43 -0500 (
Subject:

Is there anyone from the island of Guam on the Origami-L list or does anyone
know someone from there.  I am looking for a woman to whom I taught the star
of David to at an Origami convention about 3 years ago.  Dorigami@aol.com





From: Serge =?iso-8859-1?Q?DHlye?= <Serge-Yves.DELYE@GRENOBLE.IUFM.FR>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:01:14 +0100
Subject: Looking for ornithorynchys diagram

Hi everybody,

Does anybody know where can I find an ornithorynchys diagram (if it exists !) ?

Thank you for the answer...

Serge. (I check my mails only on Mondays & Thuedays)





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:52:39 +0100
Subject: Re: Rick & Nick

Nick,
At 19.20 7/3/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT> sez
>
>>Did you click "reply", Nick ? Was THIS reply intended for Rick only ? It is
>>being read by every suscriber.....
>
>Of course it was private, just as this message is. Do you think I'm a
>*complete* fool?

No. Not complete, just a good %. Possibly like me and somebody else here.

Roberto

PS Would you mind if I make THIS reply public ? ;-)





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:01:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Rick & Nick

>Of course it was private, just as this message is. Do you think I'm a
>*complete* fool?
>
The jury's still out!

>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>
>email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
>homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
>BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos

Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: "John E. Clark" <jeclark@CAMALOTT.COM>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:29:26 -0600
Subject: Re: Looking for ornithorynchys diagram

Heck Know it?  I can't even pronounce it, let alone know it.

hahahaha

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Serge DHlye <Serge-Yves.DELYE@GRENOBLE.IUFM.FR>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:01 AM
Subject: Looking for ornithorynchys diagram

>Hi everybody,
>
>Does anybody know where can I find an ornithorynchys diagram (if it exists
!) ?
>
>Thank you for the answer...
>
>
>Serge. (I check my mails only on Mondays & Thuedays)





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:04:28 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Folders from Guam

Does anyone know the name of any folders from Guam......Dorigami





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:45:38 -0500
Subject: Re: good books - Unit Origami

The "classic" book on this is Tomoko Fuse's book Unit Origami.
It has many models, diagrammed and color-photographed.  If you only get
one book, this is the one to get.

There is also
3-D Geometric Origami: Modular Polyhedra by Rona Gurkewitz and Bennett
Arnstein.  I believe Rona Gurkewitz is a member of this list and could
better tell you how this differs from Fuse.  It has some models not in
Fuse, is organized differently, has fewer models than Fuse.

Mette Peterson has self-published two books on unit origami.  I'm not
sure how 3-D her models are.  She is also a member of this list and can
tell you how to obtain her books.

--
  Edith M. Kort

still diggin out from the storm in
  Rochester,  NY
