




From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:10:49 -0500
Subject: [NO] Re: Sink fold tips

Quoted from Jeremy "Deranged" Shafer's old post:

Why did the almost deranged folder drown
himself?  Because the diagram said, "Sink."
-----------------------------------------------------------
If it is open sink you can probably get help;
If it is "closed" sink you are out of luck...

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Sink fold tips

>John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET> sez
>
>>Sink folds are still difficult for me to do
>
>Don't worry - it's a common problem. I find it easiest to open the paper
>out as much as possible, then carefully pinch the edge creases into
>mountains before closing again. If your creasing was sharp & accurate to
>start with, it should "pop" in without too much trouble. The less the
>paper opens out, the harder it gets, culminating in the dreaded black-
>belt closed-sink.
>
>Try practising with a waterbomb base and doing multiple "in-out" sinks.
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>
>email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
>homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda
syphons!
>BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/   - back online!





From: Michael Clark <mdc@IVC.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:13:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Sink Fold Tips

The model mentioned from the Biddle's book for learning sink folds is called
the "Sink Flower". For maximum sinking experience, fold from 1" paper!

The best way I have found for successfully executing sinks is to unfold the
model until the sink can be accomplished with the least stress on the paper.

HTH!

---------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Clark                    Phone: (919) 363-0292 ext. 101
IVC, Inc.                        mdc@ivc.com





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:45:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami-Montreal - next meeting

At 02:13 PM 99-02-23 -0500, you wrote:
>The next meeting of Origami-Montreal will be:
>
>======================================================================
>     Sunday, February 28, from 1 PM to 4 PM,
>     at 6848 Christophe-Colomb, Montreal.

I will try to attend!

                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:21:36 -0600
Subject: Re: That Kawasaki rose, again

Doug wrote:
>Hmmm, I don't recall seeing a rose in ORU.

Doug was right.  The Kawasaki rose from Origami for the Connoisseur also
appeared in NOA. No Kawasaki rose appeared in ORU.

Mea culpa.

-Jane





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:05:27 -0800
Subject: Sarasota FL?

I recently received mail from a gentleman in Sarasota FL who is looking for
     others in his area interested in folding.  Please contact me with name,
     address, phone # & I will pass it along to him.

Thank you

madawson@sprynet.com





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:47:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Aladdin 's Lamp diagrams

Teach yourself Origami has been republished as :

Origami : The Art of Paperfolding  by Robert Harbin  ISBN 0-06-092269-9

I just finished folding that model myself.  It was a little confusing at the
point where the genie meets the lamp but I muddled through it & it turned
out satisfactory.  Enjoy!

-----Original Message-----
From: Imtiaz Razvi <imtiazrazvi@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 1:54 AM
Subject: Aladdin 's Lamp diagrams

>Has anyone got diagrams for Aladdin/ Genie and lamp that they could send
>me?
>
>I think the model is by Harbin but I'm not sure.
>
>Can exchange.
>
>
>Regards
>
>Imtiaz
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:57:31 -0800
Subject: Re: Zsuszana Kricskovics

Does anyone have an e-mail and/or regular mailing address for Zsuszanna
Kricskovics?  I have something to share with her re: Tea Bag folding.

madawson@sprynet.com

Thank you
MASD

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Spring BOS convention

>Krystyna i Wojciech Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL> sez
>
>>I have checked BOS homepage, but there is no information about this
convention.
>>Could you send any information ?
>
>Thanks for the prod - have another look!
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>
>email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
>homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda
syphons!
>BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/   - back online!





From: Gerard Blais <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:11:26 -0500
Subject: Origami-Montreal new web site

Please note that the web site of Origami-Montreal
has been moved to the following location:

        http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/8802

Update your bookmarks!

The site is only in french for now,
but if you have any comments or questions about the
club or our web site, don't hesitate to write to us
at origami@francomedia.qc.ca or orimtl@geocities.com

Cheerio!

Gerard





From: Beverly <dphilipo@STNY.LRUN.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:20:38 -0500
Subject: Re: PDF help

Dear Glenda,

I just took a very quick look at your website.  Fantastic!  I can't wait
till I have enough time to really study it.  As a quilter, it looks like it
will be great fun - nice ideas for gifts, and hopefully not too difficult to
learn.  I subscribed to the Origami list because I am fascinated with paper
and the folding process, but really have not had any real experience with
it.  So, I keep reading and looking at the various sites as they are listed.

Beverly





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:43:47 -0500 (
Subject: Re: A new origami list ! yeah ! In french ! Boo !

AH, the FRENCH!!!  <sigh>

...Looking forward to meeting that French Roasted Nut and showing him my
Origami Screen Saver... in PIG LATIN!

PS: How many origamists does it take fold a poker player??   NONE...  He is
able to fold himself. (DOH)

Russell  : )

DARE TO FOLD!!!





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:17:55 -0800
Subject: Giraffe fold

I've been looking for a simple/moderate giraffe fold. Certainly no more
difficult than the Engel Folding the Universe giraffe, but preferably with
two horns, rather than Engel's one-horned version. A point in the right
direction would be greatly apreciated.





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:16:28 +0100
Subject: A new origami list ! yeah ! In french ! Boo !

    Dear all,

This message is to annouce to you that there is a new list devoted to
Origami now running.

    The object of this list is to build an Origami computer software.  The
language used by this list is French.

    The reason it's in French is that we, french speaking people, are better
that you English speaking people.

    So, if you speak french, if you want to get involved into one of the
biggest origami project on Earth, come and join us !

    To subscribe, send a mail to :
            origatique-subscribe@egroups.com

You can also read past mails (and join the fun) there :
        http://www.egroups.com/list/origatique/

    So, if you want to have a software that could show you how to fold a
Montroll's Stegosaurus, either you learn how to speak French, either YOU
create an english list, and we see who gets there first !

        Let's race !

Come on, are you afraid of a dozen french frogs ?

        Let's compete !

            JJ Caaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:44:17 +0900
Subject: Re: That Kawasaki rose, again

> Hmmm, I don't recall seeing a rose in ORU.

Kawasaki's rose (OftC version) appeared in ORU No.4 page 123.

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1999 16:06:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Giraffe fold

>I've been looking for a simple/moderate giraffe fold. Certainly no more
>difficult than the Engel Folding the Universe giraffe, but preferably with
>two horns, rather than Engel's one-horned version. A point in the right
>direction would be greatly apreciated.

There's a nice-looking giraffe with very nice lines in Modern Origami, but
don't ask how many horns or legs or bends in the legs.  If necessary ask
other people which one appeals to them the most.  James M. Sakoda.





From: Martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:07:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Giraffe fold

Y2K??? or Twilight Zone??
This message was headed by the following in my in basket --
"Subject: Re: Giraffe fold -- Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1956 16:06:02"
 It was also filed in the incoming pile and labeled there as though it came in
12/31/69

"James M. Sakoda" wrote: ... snip...

Martin R. Carbone





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:48:56 -0800
Subject: Different Rose

        In Oru No. 8, Spring 1995, on page 35, there is a photo of a
bouquet of flowers in the upper left hand corner.  It includes what
appears to be three pink non-Kawasaki roses of great beauty.  Since I
cannot read Japanese, I cannot tell who created them and if there
might be diagrams somewhere.  Would someone be able to provide some
information on these roses?

        Thanks,

        Carol Martinson

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:35:53 -0700
Subject: Giraffe Models

These are the Origami Giraffe Models listed in the Origami Model
Database  (http://www.the-village.com/origami/model.html)
which is linked on Alex Barber's Origami Page
(http://www.the-village.com/origami/index.html)

Hope this helps.

Apologies for the formatting.. .looks like each table cell is on a
different line...

It should read:  Name of the Model (Giraffe, duh!), Creator, Book the
diagram appears in.

In best Librarian fashion, I have used the best existing bibliographic
record to identify the items and sources... this is not an evaluative
list.  I leave that to the rest of you to cuss and discuss.

I receive the list as an archive.  Apologies if this duplicates
another's/others' efforts in responding to the question.

deg farrelly
1601 West Sunnyside Drive, #115
Phoenix, Arizona  85029
Phone:  602.943.8175

                            Model
     Creator
Book                            Giraffe
     George Rhoads
Best of Origami
                            Giraffe
     Robert Neale
Secrets of Origami
                            Giraffe
     John Montroll
African Animals in Origami

                            Giraffe
     Kunihiko
Kasahara
Creative Origami

                            Giraffe
     Peter Engel
Folding the Universe
                            Giraffe
     Peter Engel
Origami for the Connoisseur
                            Giraffe
     John Montroll
Origami for the Enthusiast
                            Giraffe
     Akira
Yoshizawa
Origami Museum I: Animals
                            Giraffe
     John Montroll
Animal Origami for the
Enthusiast
                            Giraffe
     Toshie
Takahama
Joy of Origami
                            Giraffe
     Stephen Weiss
Origami Zoo
                            Giraffe
     Kunihiko
Kasahara
Viva Origami
                            Giraffe
     Toyoaki Kawai
Colorful Origami
                            Giraffe
     Robert Harbin
Paper Magic
                            Giraffe
     Takuji
Sugimura
Living Origami
                            Giraffe)
     Kunihiko
Kasahara
El Mundo Nuevo
                            Giraffe)
     Jun Maekawa
La Era Nueva
                            Giraffe Notepaper
     Takuji
Sugimura
Living Origami

                            Jirafa (giraffe)
     Adolfo
Cerceda
Facinante Papiroflexia
                            Spotted Giraffe
     John Montroll
African Animals in Origami





From: Maureen Evans <kanga@ESCAPE.CA>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:03:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Giraffe fold

<I've been looking for a simple/moderate giraffe fold>

Try Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon's site:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4800/

look under diagrams then animals.  Don't stop there though, its a great site.

Maureen Evans
kanga@escape.ca





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:03:38 +0100
Subject: Re: NO: Outlook problems

John,
At 14.58 23/2/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>I believe I am the one he speaks of.  I do use Outlook Express as my Email
>Client.  I am, unfortunately, unable to switch to plane text format.

As far as I CAN remember, you are NOT the one I was speaking of ! And there
are NO attachments in your message..... have you switched to text on this
occasion ? ;-)

Roberto





From: "Cohen, David N" <DC35983@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:14:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Sink Fold Tips

An interesting discussion on the sink, which is generally regarded as the
most difficult of the standard folds in origami. Take a look at Paul
Jackson's "Origami - A Complete Step-By-Step Guide" (1989), which I think is
unusual in the sense that models are grouped together in sections, split by
type of fold - valley/mountain, squash, inside and outside reverse folds,
petal fold, pre-crease, and lastly our dear friend the sink! Of the sink
Paul says:

"The sink fold is perhaps the most advanced of all origami techniques, but
with correct preparation and practice it is actually no more difficult than
any other technique. It takes more guises, ranging from its classic
application sinking the top of a waterbomb base or preliminary fold, to the
complex multi-sink of Exercise Four [a practice fold] and the eight-sided
sink in Steps 2-3 of the Octagonal Flower and stem on page 152. This variety
is more diverse than, say, how one inside reverse fold might differ from
another, and each variation has to be learnt. It is therefore particularly
important to fold the Basic example, then work through the Exercises, before
folding the designs which follow."

Apart from the basic example, there are four exercises to work through,
which should prove the point that the more you practice sinks, then better
you'll get. However, I think that sinks break this rule and it seems that
people always have difficulty with them!

David Cohen
B.O.S Newsdesk





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:17:16 -0500
Subject: Re: A new origami list ! yeah ! In french ! Boo !

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>

>    So, if you want to have a software that could show you how to fold a
>Montroll's Stegosaurus, either you learn how to speak French,

I thought the program would show us how to fold Joisel's Pangolin, not
english-speaking Stegosaurus.

Sy Chen





From: Connie Lamborn <camasal@MAIL.UPLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:59:18 -0500
Subject: Rabbit Box

I recently bought a package of origami paper with a picture on the front of
a box-shaped rabbit.  However, when I opened the package at home, the only
instructions inside were the same ones I've gotten in every other pack of
paper I've bought.  I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find
instructions to make this design.  It is made with paper that is colored on
one side, white on the other and the finished project has the box white and
the colored-side bent back from the center of one side to make the ears.
The eyes are added.

If you like, contact me personally at
camasal@csrlink.net

Thanks, Connie





From: "Juan P. Fernandez" <jpf@DAISY.PHAST.UMASS.EDU>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:02:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Sink Fold Tips

I tend to believe that I started this discussion on
sink folds.  I would like to thank everybody for
their tips, and for all of the insight into folding
techniques that all of the messages have given me.

As for the elephant that started it all:  even with
the first response (Morgana's) I found out what to
do, and I can do that hellish closed-sink fold
routinely now (and without tweezers!).  In that
particular case, the fold can also be done without
closed-sinking by disassembling the paper, sinking
in the tips by reversing already-made folds, and
reassembling.  In the end. of course, just closed-
sinking is more effective - but the results are
not as nice.

Once again, thanks everybody.

jp





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:28:43 +0100
Subject: Re: A new origami list ! yeah ! In french ! Boo !

Are they going to have also a lot of copyright and patenting discussions in
this new list ?

..Just curious...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: den 24 februari 1999 14:16
Subject: A new origami list ! yeah ! In french ! Boo !

>    Dear all,
>
>This message is to annouce to you that there is a new list devoted to
>Origami now running.
>
>    The object of this list is to build an Origami computer software.  The
>language used by this list is French.
>
>    The reason it's in French is that we, french speaking people, are
better
>that you English speaking people.
>
>    So, if you speak french, if you want to get involved into one of the
>biggest origami project on Earth, come and join us !
>
>    To subscribe, send a mail to :
>            origatique-subscribe@egroups.com
>
>You can also read past mails (and join the fun) there :
>        http://www.egroups.com/list/origatique/
>
>    So, if you want to have a software that could show you how to fold a
>Montroll's Stegosaurus, either you learn how to speak French, either YOU
>create an english list, and we see who gets there first !
>
>        Let's race !
>
>Come on, are you afraid of a dozen french frogs ?
>
>        Let's compete !
>
>            JJ Caaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:38:04 +0100
Subject: the new french list : copyrights ?

>Are they going to have also a lot of copyright and patenting discussions in
>this new list ?

    I hope not !  All we want to do is to create a nice origami software.

    Why would you us talking about such rude words ?

This is the reason why WE, french-speaking people, will get it to work :
because we won't spend days wondering if what we are doing is politically
correct, copyright correct, cholesterol-free, and if animals are hurt during
the process, or even if some kids in a poor country are slave workers for us
!

        JJ Caaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:40:13 +0900
Subject: Re: Different Rose

Carol Martinson said

>         In Oru No. 8, Spring 1995, on page 35, there is a photo of a
> bouquet of flowers in the upper left hand corner.  It includes what
> appears to be three pink non-Kawasaki roses of great beauty.  Since I
> cannot read Japanese, I cannot tell who created them and if there
> might be diagrams somewhere.  Would someone be able to provide some
> information on these roses?

They are designed by YAMANASHI Akiko.
She has six children. Wow \(O_O)/

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:49:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Origami-Honolulu- next meeting

Not enough advance notice to make the meeting from NY!!!!  (HA-HA) But the
thought of folding in Hawaii is quite intriquing, especially on a cold day
like today when they are predicting snow!!!!!!!  Maybe I'll fold some
flowers & imagine......................

MASD
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: Origami-Honolulu- next meeting

>Next Honolulu Origami meeting on Feb. 27, Sat.  at Jan's Mom's house.
>Marcia Mau to grace us with her world traveled presence.  Call Jan at
>545-1068 if you want directions in getting there.   Aloha, Jan





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:37:44 -0800
Subject: Re: Sink Fold Tips

At 09:14 AM 2/25/99 -0000, you wrote:
>An interesting discussion on the sink, which is generally regarded as the
>most difficult of the standard folds in origami. Take a look at Paul
>Jackson's "Origami - A Complete Step-By-Step Guide" (1989), which I think is
>unusual in the sense that models are grouped together in sections, split by
>type of fold - valley/mountain, squash, inside and outside reverse folds,
>petal fold, pre-crease, and lastly our dear friend the sink! Of the sink
>Paul says:
>
>"The sink fold is perhaps the most advanced of all origami techniques, but
>with correct preparation and practice it is actually no more difficult than
>any other technique. It takes more guises, ranging from its classic
>application sinking the top of a waterbomb base or preliminary fold, to the
>complex multi-sink of Exercise Four [a practice fold] and the eight-sided
>sink in Steps 2-3 of the Octagonal Flower and stem on page 152. This variety
>is more diverse than, say, how one inside reverse fold might differ from
>another, and each variation has to be learnt. It is therefore particularly
>important to fold the Basic example, then work through the Exercises, before
>folding the designs which follow."
>
>Apart from the basic example, there are four exercises to work through,
>which should prove the point that the more you practice sinks, then better
>you'll get. However, I think that sinks break this rule and it seems that
>people always have difficulty with them!
>
>David Cohen
>B.O.S Newsdesk
>
>
Hi Dave,

   Thanks to you and to my other origami-l friends, I'm encouraged to learn
how to do those sink folds and not let them get me down!  I'm gonna see if
OUSA's lending library has that Paul Jackson book you mentioned too.

Unsinkable Ria





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:50:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Double Rose

>MY CLASS IS TRYING TO MAKE A DOLLAR ROSE/FLOWER.  THIS IS A MESSAGE THAT I
>GOT FROM ONE OF YOUR STUDENTS.  SO I DECIDED TO WRITE AND SEE IF YOU HAVE
>THE DIRECTIONS YOU COULD SENT TO ME.  THANK YOU>
>
>Hi Matt, that's great that you found what you were looking. The only thing
>is, I probably wouldn't classify it as origami, since there really isn't
>much folding involved in this model. There is a *very* nice two-rose
>dollar bill model that I've made; Professor Sakoda taught it to me (his
>web page is here: http://idt.net/~kittyv/ ). However, I don't see the
>diagrams on his Web site.
>
>Also, you have to spend $5 to make this rose! What a rip-off :-)
>
>-Eric :-P
>On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, mattsam wrote:
>
>>http://www.techgirls.com/dollar.htm
>>Thanks for everyone's help!
To: "mattsam" <mattsam@erols.com>
     The quick answer is that I don't have the diagam for the dkouble rose
on a dollar bill.  It is not really mne, except for the original bird base
rose.  Someone else developed the double rose and showed it to me at a New
York convention.  The bird base rose was published originally in the
OrigamiUSA convention book for 1993.  It also appears in Dover
Publications' new Origami Flowers, along with many other flowers, and
stems, leaves and vase to do a Japanese style flower arrangement.  I have
made a booklet to accompany the Flower Book called the New Stem Holder,
which makes folding a flower arangement from five inch foil paper much
easier.  Also it is possible to make arrangemens at different heights and
comb ine them into more complex displays.  If you afe inteested in the
double fose on a dollar bill primarily you might be able to work on it
after learning the simple birdbase rose.  It would be a great project for
your class.  I have a few dollar bill folds on my web site which is given
above.  James M. Sakoda.





From: Dale/ Amy Liikala <lmtn@NCWEB.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:11:50 +0100
Subject: Heart-y request

Hello All,
        I am in search of diagrams for dollar bill heart with quarter inserted
in the front of the heart.  Each search I have done has led to a dead
end.  Thank you for any information you might have in helping me locate
the source for this model (creator?).
        Amy





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:47:33 -0500
Subject: action turtle challenge

Hi all,
    A friend of mine (non-folder) suggested something very interesting.  A
turtle that when pressed (perhaps on the shell) would extend the head and
all four legs from within its shell outward and after relieving the
pressure, all four legs and head would retract into the shell.  I think this
would be a great origami action model.  Anyone up to the challenge?

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:03:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

Did you check Frances Ow's book on hearts for the diagrams?  I don't
know if it's in there, but that's a good resource.

If not, there is a version of it in Somerset Magazine in a recent
issue.  That version does not have the sinks to make the sides, but just
has folds in the back.  It also has the center fold simplified.  If you
can't find another version, I can explain the differences.  I taught it
at our last club meeting.

A reminder, any Rochester NY area folders are welcome to join the
Rochester Origami Club on the second Wednesday of each month at Borders
at 7 pm.

--
  Edith M. Kort
  Rochester,   NY





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:35:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

Charles Knuffke diagrammed it in

http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/$Charm.pdf

I believe it is also published in one issue of BARF?
It might be an adaptation from "Flower Heart" by Kathleen Weiler (2x1 paper)
or from Flowery Heart by Francis Ow (4x1). I don't know who come first.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale/ Amy Liikala <lmtn@NCWEB.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:03 PM
Subject: Heart-y request

>Hello All,
>        I am in search of diagrams for dollar bill heart with quarter
inserted
>in the front of the heart.  Each search I have done has led to a dead
>end.  Thank you for any information you might have in helping me locate
>the source for this model (creator?).
>        Amy





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:36:47 +0100
Subject: Query for simple envelope

Can someone give an answer to this query? Reply to her personal
address and not to the list please.

Sabrina Girvan writes:

> I have recently been trying my hand at the Art of Origami and find it
     absolutely facinating.
In all honesty I did not think to link up to a web site for more
information and as was getting
my ideas all out of a book. I am really writing this letter to ask you
if you would be able to
provide me with instructions of how to make a simple envelope. I f
that is  not asking for too
much, I would really appreciate it. Thanking you, Sabrina Girvan,
fellow artist.
> E-mail=girvan@colis.com
> Location=Kingston, Jamaica
> Name=Sabrina Girvan

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:04:48 -0500
Subject: Envelop and letter folding website

There is a web site which is devoted to Envelope and Letter Folding that I
found awhile ago.  I've also sent the site address to Sabrina; since it is
about folding, I'm including it here for those that might be interested in
taking a look.  Envelope folding diagrams include 'box-pleated", "frog",
"hawk", "trap", "valentine", "butterfly", and many many more.  Check it out.

http://www.ghh.com/elf/

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
To: ORIGAMI@mitvma.mit.edu <ORIGAMI@mitvma.mit.edu>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Query for simple envelope

>To answer the request, I just made some diagrams for a simple
>traditional envelope. Much faster than searching the internet :-).
>The diagrams are on their e-mail-way to Sabrina. Will also put them on
>my webpage ASAP.
>
>Matthias, smirking





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:03:49 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

In a message dated 2-25-99 7:03:22 PM, you wrote:

<< I am in search of diagrams for dollar bill heart with quarter inserted
in the front of the heart.>>

Try the Friends of the Origami Center of American Annual Collection , 1990 on
page 78.  This is a heart change holder.  Good luck,  Barbara





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:51:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Query for simple envelope

To answer the request, I just made some diagrams for a simple
traditional envelope. Much faster than searching the internet :-).
The diagrams are on their e-mail-way to Sabrina. Will also put them on
my webpage ASAP.

Matthias, smirking





From: Boseditor@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:56:58 -0500 (
Subject: That Kawasaki Rose again!

Jane Rosemarin writes;

<< Contrary to what Dave said in his review, this rose does appear in "Rose,
 Origami and Mathematics"  (pp. 109-115). The folding sequence is so
 different from Winson Chan's, that it is almost impossible to understand
 that it is precisely the same model without comparing the finished
 products or opening up the models and comparing creases.>>

Thanks for this insight, Jane. Clearly I should have folded 'both' roses to
compare them!

 <<Was "butterfly locks" a spontaneous invention, or is it a known term I have
not encountered? >>

It's a known term - at least this side of the Atlantic. I suspect it may have
been coined by Philip Shen - or by someone analysing his work. It's a move
that he uses a lot to create beautiful dishes and bowls. Long ago I started
out calling them squidge folds but then found there was already a name in use.

Dave Mitchell





From: Jeff & Helen Sperber <jlsperber@SPRINTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:58:13 -0800
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

>Hello All,
>        I am in search of diagrams for dollar bill heart with quarter inserted
>in the front of the heart.

This heart was designed by Francis Ow, and diagramed by Herman Lau.  The
diagram was in the February newsletter of the West Coast Origami Guild.  I
don't think it's in any of his books.

Speaking of Herman Lau, does anyone know where a diagram of his dollar bill
"flower-in-pot" might be located.  We learned it at our monthly meeting,
and it's a wonderful design.

Helen Sperber





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:05:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Envelop and letter folding website

> There is a web site which is devoted to Envelope and Letter Folding that I
> found awhile ago.

Hmmmm.... I think I might be missing something here.  I imagine envelope and
letter folding as something that you would fold put a stamp on and mail --- only
that.  Now I begin to get the idea that letter folds are intended as decorative
secondary envelopes that are intended to wrap letters in a decorative way but
to be sent inside a more functional primary envelope.  Is that right?  Can
     anyone
help me out here understanding how envelope and letter folds tend to be used
in practice?

                    Many thanks,

*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:11:23 +0100
Subject: Re: action turtle challenge

On Thu, Feb 25, 1999 at 10:47:33PM -0500, Keropi wrote:
>     A friend of mine (non-folder) suggested something very interesting.  A
> turtle that when pressed (perhaps on the shell) would extend the head and
> all four legs from within its shell outward and after relieving the
> pressure, all four legs and head would retract into the shell.  I think this
> would be a great origami action model.  Anyone up to the challenge?

Mister Lang? I think someone is calling for you.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:25:17 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Action Turtle Challenge

In response to Keropi's request, there is a tortoise that advances and
retracts its head called "The Shy Tortoise" in Robert Harbin's "Paper Magic"
dating from as long ago as 1956.

Action models  were a great rarity in those days. It was one of Robert
Harbin's own models, a very early instance of creative origami and a
remarkable model for its age.

It uses his "Basic Fold Number Two", which was one of the bases that didn't
make it to what we now call "The Classic Bases".

David Lister





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:46:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

I think you can find this model in a relatively recent issue of BARF, under
the heading
A Change of Heart!

>        I am in search of diagrams for dollar bill heart with quarter
inserted
>in the front of the heart.  Each search I have done has led to a dead
>end.  Thank you for any information you might have in helping me locate
>the source for this model (creator?).





From: Martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:51:41 -0800
Subject: Re: Envelop and letter folding website

I understand that separate envelopes are a recent development and earlier
     letters
were folded in such a way as to hold them together. There is an organization
     and site
that deals with letter folding -- shows all the quite clever ways letters can be
folded. I offered to reprint, for general distribution, a handbook they offered
     at
one time -- but somehow the discussion never developed into a product  --
     (which I
think would be well received by the general public as well as
     Origamenthusiasts). I
am sure David Lister knows all about this and I, for one, would be happy to
     hear what
he has to say about the subject.

Casida Mark wrote:

> > There is a web site which is devoted to Envelope and Letter Folding that I
> > found awhile ago.
>
> Hmmmm.... I think I might be missing something here.  I imagine envelope and
> letter folding as something that you would fold put a stamp on and mail ---
     only
> that.  Now I begin to get the idea that letter folds are intended as
     decorative
> secondary envelopes that are intended to wrap letters in a decorative way but
> to be sent inside a more functional primary envelope.  Is that right?  Can
     anyone
> help me out here understanding how envelope and letter folds tend to be used
> in practice?
>
>                     Many thanks,
>
> *-------------------------------------------------------*
> |          Mark E. Casida                               |
> |                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |
> *-------------------------------------------------------*

--
Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574 Fax: 805-965-2414

WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<or>>
http://www.modelshops.com <<or>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:54:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Harbin's "Paper Magic" (was  Re: Action Turtle Challenge)

Is Harbin's "Paper Magic" still available (in print)?  I'd love to take a
look at "the Shy Tortoise".  Sounds like alot of fun.  Well, since we have a
model with the head moving, how about the legs shifting (as if its walking)
and add a tail swaying motion too.  80)  I'm asking too much, huh?

Keropi..."viva les tortue!"...
keropi@vt.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: DLister891@AOL.COM <DLister891@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@mitvma.mit.edu <ORIGAMI@mitvma.mit.edu>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Action Turtle Challenge

>In response to Keropi's request, there is a tortoise that advances and
>retracts its head called "The Shy Tortoise" in Robert Harbin's "Paper
Magic"
>dating from as long ago as 1956.
>
>Action models  were a great rarity in those days. It was one of Robert
>Harbin's own models, a very early instance of creative origami and a
>remarkable model for its age.
>
>It uses his "Basic Fold Number Two", which was one of the bases that didn't
>make it to what we now call "The Classic Bases".
>
>David Lister





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:24:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

Is this the same 'flower-in-pot' that makes an appearance in Folding
California? That is such a cute model! Does the illustrious Herman have
other $ folds? A book? Any and all info welcome... Tks.
>
>Speaking of Herman Lau, does anyone know where a diagram of his dollar bill
>"flower-in-pot" might be located.  We learned it at our monthly meeting,
>and it's a wonderful design.





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:11:51 -0600
Subject: Tanteidan annuals

Does any one know of a translation for the 3rd Tandeidan
convention annual?  I bought the book for Sasuga, and would like
to know if a translation exists?

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:52:23 -0500 (
Subject: Re: G. Legman

Patrick Kearney wrote in message <7b3knv$2rh@canyon.sr.hp.com>
(to rec.collecting.books) :

>I regret to announce the death of Gershon Legman, who died
>at his home in Valbonne, France, on February 23rd.
>
>Legman was a pioneer researcher into erotic folklore, and
>his many books on limericks, dirty jokes and related
>subjects, are justly celebrated.
>
>He will be greatly missed.

8< --- snip --- >8

Oh, dear. He was also a key figure in modern origami,
not as a folder, but as a bibliographer.

I hope you don't mind, I'm going to copy the announcement
to the origami mailing list, and rec.arts.origami and alt.arts.origami.





From: "John E. Clark" <jeclark@CAMALOTT.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:13:38 -0600
Subject: Story Boxes

Hi all,

    I friend of mine saw I have playing around with Origami and told me
     something he had as a kids.  It does remember anything about making it,
     and doesn't remember who made it for him.  He said there was a poem on a
     regular sheet of paper that was then f
 lded into a box,  Once the folding was done, you would still be able to read
     the poem.  Has anyone heard of this, or knows where the instructions are.
     He was unclear as to say the same poem was the one that was wrote.  I took
     it that one poem was perfol
 e

John





From: "John E. Clark" <jeclark@CAMALOTT.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:13:30 -0600
Subject: Re: Sink Fold Tips

Well, I have found the BEST way to tackle Sink Folds.  I just don't make
anything with sink folds in it.  Just kidding.  Being new I am still all
thumbs,  I have found that I can get most of it in by simply move some parts
out, then push it in a little.  Next I get a dental pick to push it in all
the way.  They are small enough to get in the real tight coners, and strong
enough to push the paper.  Give it a try.  Can't hurt

John

----- Original Message -----
From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Sink Fold Tips

>At 09:14 AM 2/25/99 -0000, you wrote:
>>An interesting discussion on the sink, which is generally regarded as the
>>most difficult of the standard folds in origami. Take a look at Paul
>>Jackson's "Origami - A Complete Step-By-Step Guide" (1989), which I think
is
>>unusual in the sense that models are grouped together in sections, split
by
>>type of fold - valley/mountain, squash, inside and outside reverse folds,
>>petal fold, pre-crease, and lastly our dear friend the sink! Of the sink
>>Paul says:
>>
>>"The sink fold is perhaps the most advanced of all origami techniques, but
>>with correct preparation and practice it is actually no more difficult
than
>>any other technique. It takes more guises, ranging from its classic
>>application sinking the top of a waterbomb base or preliminary fold, to
the
>>complex multi-sink of Exercise Four [a practice fold] and the eight-sided
>>sink in Steps 2-3 of the Octagonal Flower and stem on page 152. This
variety
>>is more diverse than, say, how one inside reverse fold might differ from
>>another, and each variation has to be learnt. It is therefore particularly
>>important to fold the Basic example, then work through the Exercises,
before
>>folding the designs which follow."
>>
>>Apart from the basic example, there are four exercises to work through,
>>which should prove the point that the more you practice sinks, then better
>>you'll get. However, I think that sinks break this rule and it seems that
>>people always have difficulty with them!
>>
>>David Cohen
>>B.O.S Newsdesk
>>
>>
>Hi Dave,
>
>   Thanks to you and to my other origami-l friends, I'm encouraged to learn
>how to do those sink folds and not let them get me down!  I'm gonna see if
>OUSA's lending library has that Paul Jackson book you mentioned too.
>
>Unsinkable Ria





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:01:32 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

I would be very much interested in a flower in a pot money fold......can any
one describe it more fully, know who designed it?, or know where the diagrams
might be found? Dorigami





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:19:58 -0800
Subject: sheet metal origami

I suppose it can't be called origami if it's not paper, but if you think of
it as thick foil, I guess it's okay. I took a stab at sheet-metal folding
(10'x10', 1/8" steel) some years back. While I had some success with simpler
folds, it was clear that either I would have to squander my life's savings
on materials trying to perfect a technique, or find some one else who had
attempted the effort, and learn from their knowledge, god forbid--maybe even
find a book or paper on it somewhere. Until finding this list, I'd had few
oppotunities to discuss serious folding, so I appeal to all of you wonderful
folders out there; if you know of any origami-metal-sculpture resources, I
would appreciate hearing about them. Also: thanks for the varied input about
the giraffe fold!!! Guess there're a couple new books on my 'to buy'
list. -c





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:37:48 -0500 (
Subject: The Death of Gershon Legman

I was very saddened to hear of the death on 23rd February of Gershon Legman.

He had been in poor health for many years, but when the news eventually comes
it is still something of a shock.

Some subscribers to Origami-L will have read what I have written in the past
about Gershon Legman and his deep interest in paperfolding. One or two of my
shorter articles are still available on the BOS Website.

Of course, the modern Origami movement would still have been born without
Gershon Legman, but it is likely that it would have taken many more years to
become established. It was he who started serious research into paperfolding
as a serious pursuit in 1945. It was he who compiled the first Bibliography of
Paperfolding (1952). It was he who first made contact wih Dr Solorzano Sagredo
and Ligia Montoya in Argentina and so brought Spanish and South American
paperfolding into the view of folders in northern Europe and North America. It
was he who discovered Akira Yoshizawa in 1953 and who arranged the first
exhibition of his work in the West at Amsterdam in 1955 . It was Gershon
Legman who made sought out contact with the few scattered paperfolders of the
West during the 1950s and brought them together in a fellowship by
correspondence.

Gershon Legman was later put in touch first with Robert Harbin and then with
Lillian Oppenheimer who were able to "take over the baton" and build on
Gershon Legman's foundation and so founded the living Origami movement which
continues today - and to which we all belong. Without Gershon Legman's start,
it is hard to see how they could have done this.

It is unfortunate that Gershon Legman himself wrote so little about
paperfolding. The few articles that he wrote contain perceptions that
illuminate the way we think about our activity. The papers he left must be
invaluable for researchers into paperfolding and its history and it is to be
hoped that every effort will be made to preserve them before some unthinking
person consigns them to the rubbish tip.

Gershon Legman will be remembered in fields other than Paperfolding, but I
should like to think that the modern origami movement will prove to be his
greatest monument.

David Lister.





From: Katherine Nelson <revkat@EARTHLING.NET>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:15:17 -0800
Subject: Re: Envelop and letter folding website

In junior high my friends and I would exchange letters all day folded in
various ways.  Two of the main requirements for an acceptable high school
letterfold were 1-The written contents of the letter had to be _completely_
hidden (of course) and 2-there had to be some very cool locking mechanism.
The completed fold needed to be small for ease of passing in class, and the
folds had to be repeatable for rapid refolding if prying eyes should
approach.

Katherine

----------
> From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
> ...  Can anyone
> help me out here understanding how envelope and letter folds tend to be
used
> in practice?





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:50:10 +0100
Subject: envelope folding website

Here is the URL for the envelope folding website. --
http://www.ghh.com/elf/elf.html

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: "Ken E. Martin" <mrmiraculous@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:58:00 -0800
Subject: flower in  pot money-fold

Herman Lau of Sacramento, CA designed a nice  flower in a pot money-fold. He
sometimes posts on this list.
Maybe your interest will encourage him to diagram it sometime soon.
Ken Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM <DORIGAMI@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

>I would be very much interested in a flower in a pot money fold......can
any
>one describe it more fully, know who designed it?, or know where the
diagrams
>might be found? Dorigami





From: "Ken E. Martin" <mrmiraculous@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:16:41 -0800
Subject: Re: Heart-y request

Hi- The dollar bill heart with the quarter inside was diagrammed by Charles
Knuffke of the San Francisco  origami group ( B.A.R.F.)  Also , I'm pretty
sure Jeremy Shafer published it in the B.A.R.F. newsletter.
Good luck,   Ken Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale/ Amy Liikala <lmtn@NCWEB.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:03 PM
Subject: Heart-y request

>Hello All,
>        I am in search of diagrams for dollar bill heart with quarter
inserted
>in the front of the heart.  Each search I have done has led to a dead
>end.  Thank you for any information you might have in helping me locate
>the source for this model (creator?).
>        Amy





From: Martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:57:22 -0800
Subject: Stiffening fabric

Following the post on stiffening fabric. I have stiffened fabric and
plastic film by taking a sheet of full size (8-1/2" x 11") pressure
sensitive adhesive label paper and applying it to the backside of the
fabric --- it works well for standard folded boxes.

--
Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574 Fax: 805-965-2414

WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<or>>
http://www.modelshops.com <<or>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:24:44 -0800
Subject: New diagrams: envelope

The quick&dirty diagrams for a traditional envelope are now on my
homepage at
www.bboxbbs.ch/home/tanjit.

Matthias





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:49:55 -0500
Subject: Double Rose Instructions (verbal)

<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><bigger><bigger>

Dollar Double Rose

        The dollar bill version of the bird base rose was invented by Bob Stix
a few years ago.  I was sitting at a table in the main meeting place of
the OrigamiUSA convention when he came and showed me the dollar bill
version of my birdbase rose, which was first published in the
Convention book for 1993.  What was remarkable about the double rose on
a dollar bill was that the two roses fit perfectly, with little extra
space between them.  I was asked for a diagram for it on Origami-L, and
not having it I have been trying out the procedure for it.  Here is a
verbal description of the steps, which should help to fold the double
rose and also to remember the steps.

        Step 1.  Practice folding the bird base rose, which is included in
Dover Publications's Origami Flowers.  If you contact me I can send you
an autographed copy of the book and its companion booklet, The New Stem
Holder,  at list price plus postage.

        Step 2.  Preliminary Creases.  Take a dollat bill or an equivalent
size paper and prepare to fold  bird bases at opposite ends of the
bill.  First valley fold diagonal creases at both ends. with the top
corners folded down to the bottom line.  Note that the right side forms
a mirror image of the left side.  Then open out and fold the lower
corners to the upper edge.  Then fold the outer edges to the respective
ends of the square and unfold.  Then  mountain fold the bill lengthwise
in half.

        Step 3.   Do the preliminary fold at each end by pushing the folded
edge together and gather the three loose flaps at the ends.   The
remaining flap is connected to the center extra space between the
squares.

        Step 4.  Use the inside reverse fold to fold in the raw  edges to form
the kite shape for the three flaps on each end.

        Step 5  Complete the inside reverse fold for the remaining connected
flap.  Start with a preliminary fold and follow through with the inside
reverse fold of the folded edge.  The two bird bases should be standing
side by side , held together by the center connector piece.

        Step 6.  Fold up the wide middle front and back flaps and fold down in
half,  taking care of both sides at the same time.  Omit the locking
operation for convenience.    Start with the connected segment in front
and back.  Then open out each of the loose flaps and complete the
operation, one end at a time.  This completes the formation of the four
petals for each rose.

        Step 7.  From this point on work on one flower at a time.   To
identify the four petals place the center peak of the flower in the
center in an upright position and open out each of the four flaps in a
horizontal position.. Each petal will have two corners on the outer
end.  For each flower two of the  four  flaps are connected to the
other end and are sources of confusion.

        Step 8.  The Push.  Take two petals one in each hand and push the
corner and ridge to the center of the petal on the left to the middle
of the petal on the right, thus  overlapping the two.  Take the next
petal to the left  and repeat the above operation, overlapping the
third petal over the second.    Keep moving to the left each time until
all four petals are pushed forward.  Ignore the call for a second of
even  a third push farther in for a tighter flower.

        Step 9.  The Twist.  Hold the flower in the palm of one hand and with
the other hand grasp the center post of the flower and give it two ofr
three twists in the same direction as the Push above.  kCheck to see
that all of the petals are properly connected to the center stem.  As
an aid to twisting take four round toothpicks and bind one end with a
rubber band,leaving the othef end sligdhtly spread out.  Insert each
toothpick in a separate slot around the center stem and twist the
toothpicks, instead of using one's hand.  /I learned of this neat trick
from Rachel Katz, but she'll have to remind me again the name of the
person from whom she learned it.

        Step 10.  This can be followed with the bending under of the corners
of the petals if the paper holds the bends.

        Step 11.  Repeat Steps 7-10 on the other rose.  The two roses should
be sitting side by side.

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From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:11:45 -0500 (
Subject: Heart-y request (Floewer in Pot)

Dorigami's request for a flower in a pot money fold reminds me of  the one
folded by Fred Rohm using box-pleating techniques.

I have, buried away somewhere, an example of a flower in a pot, folded not
with a Dollar Bill, but in foil. I would never dare to unravel it to see how
it was made. Yet I have never seen diagrams for it. I think, however, there is
photo in an early issue of the Origamian.

So I, eagerly look forward to instructions for this model if anyone can
oblige.

David Lister.





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:05:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Heart-y request (Flower in Pot)

David Lister wrote:

"Dorigami's request for a flower in a pot money fold reminds me of the
one folded by Fred Rohm using box-pleating techniques.

I have, buried away somewhere, an example of a flower in a pot, folded
not with a Dollar Bill, but in foil."

Though not the model David has in mind, another similar model, Fred
Rohm's Four Roses in a Vase, and also folded from a square of foil,
appears in Harbin's Origami 4.

Dorothy





From: Bob Stack <Noobob@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:25:16 -0500 (
Subject: Re: flower in  pot money-fold

And if Herman Lau diagrams it he might also be interested in submitting it to
Origami USA c/o AMNH at 15 West 79 Street, New York, NY 10024 for publishing
it.
