




From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:01:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Eric Joisel diagrams

You can search origami-l archive to find it:

Diagrams for Eric Joisel's Rat (Un Rat), are in the April '98 Issue of the
British Origami Newsletter. It was issue #189.

At 03:03 PM 1/8/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Does anybody know where i can get Eric Joisel diagrams I've folded
>his rat and seen the photos on Joseph Wu's page.
>
>Hope someone can help
>
>Darren





From: Cindy <cw@JPS.NET>
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:40:34 -0800
Subject: Eric Joisel Diagrams

I too would like to voice my interest in Eric Joisel diagrams, particularly
the snail model that I saw on Joseph Wu's site.





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 04:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Eric Joisel diagrams

At 03:02 PM 1/8/99 -0500, Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>  wrote:
>
>From where did you obtain the Rat diagrams?  Are they published
>somewhere?

They were published a few issues ago in British Origami (back issues are
probably available. The diagrams were also published in an old French
convention book (about a year ago, I think). The model will also be taght
at classes held through OrigamiUSA (in NYC).

Marc





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:01:39 +0000
Subject: origami earrings and ornaments.

>For anyone who may have been looking for a way to stiffen small origami
>masterpieces, I found that clear nail polish is most effective.
I made a brooch from some lovely pearlized paper and thought clear nail
polish would protect and stiffen it, all it did was strip it of it's
colour! Sad because it was my last piece of that paper, if in doubt test
a small piece before you fold your masterpiece.

Happy New Year

Penny

Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://nw.demon.co.uk/rpmrecords/bos/index.html





From: "WILLIAM F. SINDEL" <CISSITT@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 12:36:41 -0500
Subject: origami earrings and ornaments.

thanks.  that's good to know.
The main reason I started using nail polish was because none of those
fabric stiffeners or spray enamels work on paper very well.
Carly





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:10:56 -0800
Subject: origami earrings and ornaments.

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>thanks.  that's good to know.
>The main reason I started using nail polish was because none of those
>fabric stiffeners or spray enamels work on paper very well.
>Carly
>
>
Hi Carly and origami jewelry buffs,

An alternative to nail polish and laquers is a water based jewelry glaze or
white glue that dries clear and doesn't yellow.  Nail polish tends to yellow
and laquers smell as nasty or worse.  Also, there is a clear sealer in an
acrylic matte finish that can be found in craft stores that will work well
if sprayed lightly in
several coats.  I have allergies and can't stand the fumes, so I mostly
paint the glaze on my finished pieces, but it mostly depends on the quality
of the papers.  You have to experiment and know your papers.

Ria Sutter





From: "WILLIAM F. SINDEL" <CISSITT@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:50:58 -0500
Subject: Lang's insects

Has anyone tried Robert Lang's ORIGAMI INSECTS?  I got the book after
enjoying a book by Montroll and Lang, but I have found most of Lang's
diagrams to be impossible to complete, especially the insects.  I have
never been eluded so much by any of John Montroll's books.   Is there
something I am missing about Lang's insects that makes them so difficult?





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 14:12:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Lang's insects

On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, WILLIAM F. SINDEL wrote:

>Has anyone tried Robert Lang's ORIGAMI INSECTS?  I got the book after
>enjoying a book by Montroll and Lang, but I have found most of Lang's
>diagrams to be impossible to complete, especially the insects.  I have
>never been eluded so much by any of John Montroll's books.   Is there
>something I am missing about Lang's insects that makes them so difficult?

William,
Yes, they are quite difficult, but also quite rewarding to complete. I
have a page dedicated to the book:

http://www.jeno.com/insects.html

I recommend that you start with the first few models in the book, and use
large squares, at least 12 or 15 inches to a side.

Good luck!

-Eric :-P

/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
\   Eric Andersen                                       /
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/      ema@netspace.org        ~    ~ (_)/ (_)          \
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From: JacAlArt@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:37:22 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Lang's insects

In a message dated 1/9/99 01:54:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CISSITT@COMPUSERVE.COM writes:

> Has anyone tried Robert Lang's ORIGAMI INSECTS?  I got the book after
>  enjoying a book by Montroll and Lang, but I have found most of Lang's
>  diagrams to be impossible to complete, especially the insects.  I have
>  never been eluded so much by any of John Montroll's books.   Is there
>  something I am missing about Lang's insects that makes them so difficult?
>
Yup. Did them all. It was a personal challenge. The Butterfly was by far the
toughest for me, but all are possible. I use tissue foil -- seems to make it
easier. Kami was awful.

~Alec





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:31:23 -0800
Subject: Complex Models

When it comes to doing harder models I have 2 wishes :

1) The designer of the book would use a spiral bound format
   Actually, I wish all origami books were spiral bound so they'd stay open
2) The model creator would recommend how big and what type paper to use for
inexperienced folders of complex
   models

(  Regular Kami paper just doesn't work very well in lots of cases )

Ria





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 19:51:37 -0500
Subject: Lang's insects

Message text written by Origami List
>Has anyone tried Robert Lang's ORIGAMI INSECTS?  I got the book after
enjoying a book by Montroll and Lang, but I have found most of Lang's
diagrams to be impossible to complete, especially the insects.  I have
never been eluded so much by any of John Montroll's books.   Is there
something I am missing about Lang's insects that makes them so difficult?=
 =

<

        I'm not positive where the problem may be, but I've successfully
folded every single one of the models in the book; in fact, I find Robert=
's
most recent diagrams to be clearer than some of John's (although it's bee=
n
a long time since I had a problem following any of John's diagrams,
either...)  If you could be a bit more specific about where you're gettin=
g
hung up, we could perhaps help you pinpoint the source of your difficulti=
es
a bit better!

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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \\/ \-----_---__
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 /\=A0 '=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

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From: Rosalinda Sanchez <RRosalinda@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:23:08 -0500 (
Subject: For the Connoisseur

Anyone know if there are any additions or changes between the first edition of
Origami for the Connoisseur, and the current reprint?  I have the old edition
and want to know if it would be worth the money to buy the new one.  Thanks.





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 23:11:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Flower by Dover

To all those interested in origami flowers and flower arrangement:  For
much of the year I have been working on a revision of my Origami Flower
Arrangement book.  Dover had agreed to publish it earlier in the year, and
has finally come out with an announcment in its New Book Catalog, January,
1999. It is titled Origami Flowers, 80 pages in length, and retailing for
$6.95.  The title is appropriate since its strength is in the many kinds of
flower folding diagramed.  It also  includes the bird base rose and tulips,
as well as the wheat stalk.
         I was working on a stem holder to replace the boxy vase folded
from poster board I had developed, but I did not complete the revision in
time to get it included in the book.  Its advantage is that it is folded
from the simple double boat folded from a five inch square foil paper.
Consequently  the stem holder,  stems and simpler flowers and leaves can be
folded from five inch foil paper.  This makes it possible to introduce the
subject even to beginners, and would have greatly simplified the process of
buying paper to start learning or teaching the subject.  In addition, the
base  sIem attached  to the stem holder can be easily shortened to make
vases which are tall, middle size or short.  One outcome of this has been
the placing of two or more arrangements, usually of different heights, to
maker a fuller display.  I  hope to put this new material on my web page,
where hopefully it will be accessible to those interested in origami
flowers and flower arrangement.  I'll let you know when it is ready.
         As I did with Modern Origami, I will be offering the book
autographed and sent by priority mail for $10  for those in US and Canada,
when copies of the book become available.
        In the same catalog there are also listings of  Teach Yourself
Origami ($9.95) and Easy Origami ($3.50), both by John Montroll.
        James M. Sakoda, Web Page:  http://idt.net/~kittyv
        Home Address:  411 County Road, Barrington, RI 02806





From: Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:14:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Lang's insects page inaccesable?

Hi Eric,

I would be interested to have a look at your page, but my browser
says it can't find it! Is something wrong with your page, or with my
browser?

cheers, Thies

On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, WILLIAM F. SINDEL wrote:

>Has anyone tried Robert Lang's ORIGAMI INSECTS?  I got the book after
>enjoying a book by Montroll and Lang, but I have found most of Lang's
>diagrams to be impossible to complete, especially the insects.  I have
>never been eluded so much by any of John Montroll's books.   Is there
>something I am missing about Lang's insects that makes them so difficult?

William,
Yes, they are quite difficult, but also quite rewarding to complete. I
have a page dedicated to the book:

http://www.jeno.com/insects.html

I recommend that you start with the first few models in the book, and use
large squares, at least 12 or 15 inches to a side.

Good luck!

-Eric :-P

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Apartado Postal 01-01-862
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+593-7-822052 (thuis/home/casa)
+593-7-840254 (werk/office/oficina)
Ik heb nu slechts =E9=E9n email-adres/
I now have only one email address/
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From: JacAlArt@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:53:39 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Lang's insects page inaccesable?

In a message dated 1/10/99 12:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC writes:

> I would be interested to have a look at your page, but my browser
>  says it can't find it! Is something wrong with your page, or with my
>  browser?

Me too. Can't access it!





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:08:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Lang's insects page inaccesable?

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 JacAlArt@AOL.COM wrote:

>In a message dated 1/10/99 12:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC writes:
>
>> I would be interested to have a look at your page, but my browser
>>  says it can't find it! Is something wrong with your page, or with my
>>  browser?
>
>Me too. Can't access it!

That's strange, I just tried it and it worked fine. Please make sure you
are copying and pasting the URL, or that you are not mistyping, e.g.,
"insect" instead of "insects". It shouldn't make a difference, but try
this URL instead:

http://www.netspace.org/~ema/insects.html

Although it happens rarely, it's also possible that Netspace was down for
a short period of time. Please try again. If you are still having
problems, please email me privately (origami@netspace.org) and tell me the
error message that you are receiving. I will try to figure out what's
going on.

-Eric :-P

/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
\   Eric Andersen                                       /
/    Mathematics, Music             ~  ~ __o            \
\     and Origami                 ~  ~ _-\<'_           /
/      ema@netspace.org        ~    ~ (_)/ (_)          \
\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/
            *** http://www.jeno.com ***





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 05:40:36 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

In his posting reeived this morning, John Sutter expresses the wishe that all
Origami Books were spiral bound. I see his point and acknowledge that when
both your hands are busy, it is very helpful to have a book that lies flat
when it is open.

But the thought of all origami books being spiral bound or even comb-bound
horrifies me. I have enough of them with spiral bindings already, all lying
there in heaps in smug anonymity behind their mechanical spirals. Speaking
from one whose interest in origami is more historical than practical, and who
often has a multitude of books on my desk at any one time, I should find it
almost impossible to lay my hands on a book that I was looking for. I have so
many origami books that, even with the titles on the spines, (even when they
are in English, not Japanese,) it is often difficult to find a particular
book. And anyway, I like nicely bound books. They sit much more comfortably on
the bookshelves and are a pleasure to hold.

I admit that a closely bound book which refuses to open is a nuisance, even
when you are only studying it and not folding from it. I usually lay something
heavy, possibly another book acoss the top of the opened pages. But there are
book weights and book stands which are designed to keep a book open while your
hands are occupied. They are popular with cooks.

There is a clear conflict of interest. I doubt if it will ever be wholly
solved, but some traditional bindings are better than others and do enable the
book to lie open and flat without any accessories. I doubt, however, if we
will ever persuade publishers to adopt perfection of opening as a high
priority for origami books.

Having vented my prejudices, I have to add another point against myself.
Spiral and comb bindings are much cheaper than traditionally bound books and
they can be used by anyone, without any of the skills required for formal book
binding. Some people know that I am intending to publish privately my series
of articles on "The Origins of the Origami Center" (probably under a different
title) and the intention is that it will be comb-bound. Beggars can't be
choosers, but I still have a pipe dream about a book nicely boundbook sitting
on my bookshelves, to which I can cast my gaze with loving pride from time to
time.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:01:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

Message text written by Origami List
>ut the thought of all origami books being spiral bound or even comb-boun=
d
horrifies me. I have enough of them with spiral bindings already, all lyi=
ng
there in heaps in smug anonymity behind their mechanical spirals. <

        I had this problem too, but I solved it by printing out neat but
small-type labels with the title of the book and the author and publicati=
on
year on my computer and then just carefully Scotch-taping them to the fla=
t
(not toothed) part of the spiral binding.  I don't think any actual book
publishers do this, so having them actually publish their book spiral bou=
nd
wouldn't help, but it's a solution for those books we already _do_ have
that are spiral bound!

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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ..=A0 _=A0=A0 =

--____-=3D=3D=3D(=A0 _\/=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \\/ \-----_---__
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 /\=A0 '=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Jerry D. Har=
ris
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From: Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:52:46 -0500
Subject: Langs Bat?

Hi list,

A Happy Newyear to all!

A few months ago I saw a extremely nice bat by Lang on the Xerox-
site. Does anyone know whether that model has been published, or
perhaps is available on the Web?

Ciao, Thies
----------------------------------
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Apartado Postal 01-01-862
Cuenca, ECUADOR
+593-7-822052 (thuis/home/casa)
+593-7-840254 (werk/office/oficina)
Ik heb nu slechts =E9=E9n email-adres/
I now have only one email address/
Ahora solo tengo una direcci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico:
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From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:33:23 +0100
Subject: Question for a shirt

Can someone give an answer to this question (not via the list, but
directly to the questioner)?

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Subject: WWW form from host-209-214-200-80.gsp.bellsouth.net
Date: Sunday, 10-Jan-99 08:28:10 EST
From: nobody@info2.service.rug.nl (WWW server via mailform)
To: M.J.van.Gelder@KVI.nl

Commentaar=Please help me I want a dress shirt with long sleeves with
cuffs a collar and a neck tie. the shirt was folded out of dollars and a
red neck tie stuck to the front.
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From: Martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:31:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

Following the recent discussion by Ria Sutter and David Lister on ring and comb
binding and the spineless anonymity of such -- I offer the following.

It is a simple matter for people who work with paper and cardstock to fashion a
rigid wraparound cover that attaches to the front -- or back cover of the spiral
bound book and which wraps around the spine. A pocket can be provided into which
the unattached cover slips.

Descriptive information can then be printed on the spine.

Pockets for both the front and back covers also work.

If anyone asks by private email -- I would be happy to send simple drawings.

I hate to be so commercial -- but my Boxmaker can be used efffectively to score
such wraparound covers. And we are still looking for some company to
     commercialize
our simple system for binding books that lay flat and also have a spine.

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574 Fax: 805-965-2414

WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<or>>
http://www.modelshops.com <<or>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:53:47 -0800
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

One could also make an open sided boxes to hold individual ring bound books.
     Such
boxes are often used by libraries to hold multiple issues of magazines and very
     fine
books are often shelved in such boxes -- are they called slip cases??





From: Black Eagle <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:35:43 -0600
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

Jerry D. Harris wrote:

>         I had this problem too, but I solved it by printing out neat but
> small-type labels with the title of the book and the author and
> publication year on my computer and then just carefully Scotch-taping them
> to the flat (not toothed) part of the spiral binding.  I don't think any
> actual book publishers do this, so having them actually publish their book
> spiral bound wouldn't help, but it's a solution for those books we already
> _do_ have that are spiral bound!

Some publishers do this.  I have several with white printing on the
black part of the plastic spiral binding, and a few with black printing
on white spirals.  The problem with the plastic spirals is that plastic
inevitably gets brittle with age and starts breaking in use.  Metal
spirals get rusted.  The best bindings I have seen are metal spirals
coated with Teflon, but I've seen few books bound that way.

Dover publications uses a binding method that allows books to lie
flat, but few publishers do the same, and Dover doesn't always do it.

Black Eagle
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From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:49:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

Yo yo yo!  David Lister comments...

>>>
Spiral and comb bindings are much cheaper than traditionally bound books...
<<<

I beg to difer here.  Yes, for organizations like OUSA or the BOS
who are self-publishing small runs, spiral binding is the cheap
way to go.

But when I was dealing with St. Martin's Press over Origami, Plain and
Simple and Russian Origami, they told me that it's actually ** cheaper **
for them to do more normal binding.  I think this has to do with
the fact that they print 10,000 copies at a time and can get good
rates from large-scale commercial printers.  This is why it is
rare to find commercially published spiral-bound books.  They
do exist, but rarely.  The impression that I got from St. Martin's
was that they'd never be willing to spiral-bind an origami
book that they publish.

------- Tom "hey - I tried!" Hull
        thull@merrimack.edu





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:57:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Lang's insects

> Has anyone tried Robert Lang's ORIGAMI INSECTS?  I got the book after
> enjoying a book by Montroll and Lang, but I have found most of Lang's
> diagrams to be impossible to complete, especially the insects.  I have
> never been eluded so much by any of John Montroll's books.   Is there
> something I am missing about Lang's insects that makes them so difficult?

The diagrams are actually as clear as they can be.  There are a number of
insects that are pretty straightforward: the orbweaver, the ant, the
ladybug (surprisingly so, don't be intimidated by all the spots).  Others
are just plain stressful on the paper, like the beautiful praying mantis.
The only one that's I've found patently impossible is the butterfly.  I
did many on the first try with 10" and with tweezers.  The cicada and
paper wasp still give me difficulty, too (the cicada gets stressful on the
paper).

Btw, the book isn't in order of difficulty.  The scorpion isn't that bad,
considering the results.  The butterfly is smack in the middle, and it's
the one I find the hardest.





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:04:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

David
I do hope that your book will be publically available to sit on other
person's bookshelves as well.

Joyce





From: "WILLIAM F. SINDEL" <CISSITT@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:16:23 -0500
Subject: Lang's insects

I think one reason I became frustrated by the book was that I tried like
hell to do the butterfly.  Yesterday I made a nice-looking scarab beetle
which helped my confidence level  Thanks to everyone for their tidbits.





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:36:49 +0100
Subject: Re: Binding of Origami Books

I think the problem is not that origami-books should be spiral-bound or
comb-bound instead of lumbecked.

The problem is that all craft books (and cookbooks, and song book --
practically everything you do anything from) need to be hard-bound, and
not simply hard-bound, but with real threads that hold the pages together.
(You can also make books with a cardboard cover where the pages are simply
glued into the back.)

With a properly-bound book, it is no problem to open it completely and to
lie it on the desk -- they stay open, and because the threads hold them
together, not the glue, there is no danger of the falling apart. (Indeed,
if a properly bound book should loose pages after centuries of use, you
can take it completely apart, replace the threads and bind it again.)

The publishers probably argue that soft-bound books are cheaper -- but it
cannot be very much. There is a publishing company in Germany (the
Augustus Verlag) which is specialised in craft books and which publishes
only hard-bound books. These books are not more expensive than other
soft-bound craft books, and since the publisher is not ruined yet, I
suppose that producing them is not that much more expensive.

I am sad to see that the new books by the Gallery Origami House are not
hard-bound either -- there at last is someone who should know how origami
books have to be bound, and they produce soft-bound books! :-(

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:30:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

Hi!  David Lister wrote:

> But the thought of all origami books being spiral bound or even comb-bound
> horrifies me. I have enough of them with spiral bindings already, all lying
> there in heaps in smug anonymity behind their mechanical spirals.

Computer manuals are often spiral bound but have a cover that wraps over the
spiral cover and shows the name of the book.  I think this could be a good
solution to David's problem.  (Though I wonder if spiral bound books would
have the durability of a regular binding.  Not that all of my regularly bound
origami books have stood up to all their usage!)

                              ciao,
                                Mark

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From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:37:30 +0000
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

Oh No! Not spiral bound books!!!

Sorry, but all the spiral bound books I have used (eg the new trendy
mark book/diary we are issued with at the school I teach in) are more
hassle then they are worth. The pages rip around the wires and the pages
start to drop out. With regular use the book becomes unusable.

Just my 0.02 Euros worth!

--
Mark





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:20:04 -0800
Subject: new flower origami book

Dear Mr. Sakoda,

Count me in on the book deal when it comes out this year:  Ria Sutter
                                                           51 Brimwood Dr.
                                                           Vernon, CT 06066

Ria,
sutterj@earthlink.net
ps   I had to send this to the list because my server didn't connect to your
webpage.





From: "Llana L. Harmon" <llharmon@PRIMENET.COM>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:38:12 -0700
Subject: Binding of Origami Books

As a suggestion to anyone having a problem with keeping a book open
while folding a model, I recently found a simple solution.  At a store
called "The Container Store" I picked up a very inexpensive wire clip
made specifically to keep a book open.  Works just fine and does not
require you to ruin the binding of a book to do those complex models.

Happy folding

David Harmon
Mesa, Arizona





From: Imtiaz Razvi <imtiazrazvi@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:32:16 -0800 (
Subject: STILL DESPERATE FOR HULK HOGAN DIAGRAMS

Please there must be someone out there who has a copy of Origami
Tanteidan vol 4 Newsletter 23.

This has a Hulk Hogan model by Kimura which I am still seeking.
Happy to swap for something!

regards

Imtiaz

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From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:45:31 -0500
Subject: Webpage update

Hi all,

In an attempt to beat out Perry Bailey for the most frequent webpage
updates, yes, there is another addition to my page. This is another classic
puzzle where you can make the pieces with paper. The pieces are easy to
fold, but solving the puzzle could give you some trouble. As always I am
willing tpo e-mail the solution to the easily stumped. Good luck!

Marc

http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com/





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:02:04 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Binding of Origami Books

Hoping for all origami books to be spiral bound is not realistic.  Besides, it
STILL doesn't solve your problems on what to do with those books in your
origami library which are thick or will not stay open while reading the
diagrams.

I have discovered that the common "cookbook holder" readily found in most
kitchen houseware departments to be most effective in solving the problem of
reading diagrams from books which do not lay flat.  They are not expensive
(about $5-6 each) are usually made of clear plexiglas so you can read the
diagrams clearly and will hold fairly thick books open for you without
damaging the binding.  I bought mine at Bed, Bath & Beyond several years ago,
but I know other stores carry them also.

I highly recommend that everyone go out and get your own plexiglas book holder
-- it will make your folding much more headache-free!!!

Yours,

June Sakamoto





From: tommy <tomkat@DALLAS.NET>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:07:14 -0600
Subject: Panda by Kunihiko Kasahara

This weekend I was thumbing through my origami books and I came across
two references to a panda model by Kunihiko Kasahara. I first noticed a
drawing of it in _Origami for the Connoisseur_ (on page 26 of the
reprint). No diagrams in OftC though. I then noticed it in a photograph
in _Origami Omnibus_ . It's sitting in the 'panorama box' on page 15 (of
the reprint). Alas, the diagrams for this panda are not in the book. It
even says the folding instructions are omitted under the section of the
book where there is an explanation of the panorama cube. (There are
diagrams for a panda in _Origami Omnibus_ just not the panda pictured.)

Can anyone tell me which book has the diagrams for this panda?

Thanks,
Tommy





From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:28:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Panda by Kunihiko Kasahara

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From: Boseditor@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:56:11 -0500 (
Subject: Book Announcement

This message is to let all the US members of the list know that Paperfolding
Puzzles is now available from Fascinating Folds. Check out Bren's website if
you're interested.

(Of course, anyone outside the US can still get hold of a copy by contacting
me direct!)

If you're a BOS member you'll already know a little about the book through the
mag. If you aren't ... or just want to know more ... read on.

Basically I put the book together because of the enormous interest in the
puzzles published in my Serendipity column in British Origami last year. Some
of that interest even spilled over onto this list. My guess is that a lot of
this arose because the puzzles could be solved by folding the paper directly -
by a combination of trial and error and insight rather than by mathematical
analysis. Also perhaps it was because they were original puzzles about folding
paper rather than origami versions of puzzles usually made out of other
materials.

There are 18 puzzles in the book offering over 50 separate challenges in all.
All but 2 are my own. Most of them are pure origami. Some are single sheet,
some are modular. A few of them require some preliminary cutting and gluing.

The solutions to most of the puzzles are included of course. The exception is
Merlin's Mat - a kind of folding tangram - in which only one of the many
solutions to the most difficult figure is given. (You'll easily find the other
figures for yourself. Well - some of them are easy anyway!) The main reason
for this was lack of space. I wanted room to include the famous Flexotube
puzzle ( a cubic tube that can be folded inside out) because although the
puzzle is widely published a lot of the most interesting solutions are
virtually unknown. I wanted room to diagram all six and a half of them that I
knew. Though there may be more ...

Origami puzzles are a very different kind of origami - but I have a theory
that you can learn more about how paper behaves during the folding process in
five minutes wrestling with a puzzle than in several hours patiently following
folding instructions. Attempting a puzzle helps you to think about paper
creatively. What happens if I .... ah - now I see!

Dave Mitchell





From: Tim Rueger <trueger@CRYSTAL.CIRRUS.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:19:02 -0600
Subject: Re: Complex Models: Binding of Origami Books

David,

>>>>> "dl" == DLister891  <DLister891@AOL.COM> writes:

    dl> In his posting reeived this morning, John Sutter expresses the
    dl> wishe that all Origami Books were spiral bound. I see his point
    dl> and acknowledge that when both your hands are busy, it is very
    dl> helpful to have a book that lies flat when it is open.

When I fold on my lap, I use an notebook-sized piece of plexiglass on my
lap to hold the book flat underneath.  It holds the book open and
provides a flat work-surface that I can read the book through.

One could use a clear clipboard, but I prefer something more compact,
without the huge clip on top.

Those clear plastic stand-up cookbook holders also work nicely if you're
folding on a table top.

-Tim
--
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Phone: (512) 912-3420  4210 S. Industrial Dr., Austin, TX 78744
Fax:   (512) 912-3230  Email: trueger@crystal.cirrus.com





From: Gareth Morfill <gmorfill@REDBRICK.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:20:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Panda by Kunihiko Kasahara

Tommy
There is a Panda in Origami Made Easy by Kasahara. Don't have it with me at
the moment but it looks like the one used in both OftC and OO. If I
remember correctly it is a two piece model, one for the head and one for
the body. Really cute model.
Hope this helps - this really is a nice model,
Cheers - Gareth

At 02:07 AM 1/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>This weekend I was thumbing through my origami books and I came across
>two references to a panda model by Kunihiko Kasahara. I first noticed a
>drawing of it in _Origami for the Connoisseur_ (on page 26 of the
>reprint). No diagrams in OftC though. I then noticed it in a photograph
>in _Origami Omnibus_ . It's sitting in the 'panorama box' on page 15 (of
>the reprint). Alas, the diagrams for this panda are not in the book. It
>even says the folding instructions are omitted under the section of the
>book where there is an explanation of the panorama cube. (There are
>diagrams for a panda in _Origami Omnibus_ just not the panda pictured.)
>
>Can anyone tell me which book has the diagrams for this panda?
>
>Thanks,
>Tommy





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:04:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Crane Fabrics

Edith Kort wrote:

> I saw several fabrics at USA Conference in NYC.  One of the vendors sold
> vests (I think) made from the fabric.  Someone told me that the fabric
> was available at some west coast up-scale fabric shops and cost $20 per
> yard and up.  The Boston Museum of Art sells a crane tie - so they must
> also have a source of fabric.

I just noticed that Fascinating Folds' website now lists crane fabric under
New Products.  If anyone tries it out, please let us know what its like.

-D'gou





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:55:59 +0900
Subject: Origami Art Competition

Origami Tougei Center announced that they hold an international
origami art competition this year.
They contrived three types of paper, Saitenshi which is some-treated
thin washi, Sairyushi which is some-treated marbled thin washi, and
Saitoushi which is bakable combination of paper and clay.
Models folded with these paper are judged by Kasahara, Fuse, Brill,
Kawasaki, and Yamamoto (ceramic artist).
The prize amounts to one million yen (it's about 7500 US-dollars).
For details, ask to...

    Origami Tougei Center

   Sun city residence BF101,
   6-13 Miuramachi, Sasebo,
   Nagasaki, 857-0863, Japan

     fax: +81-956-22-1162

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:29:57 +0000
Subject: Re: origami earrings and ornaments.

Thinking about my message saying that clear nail polish stripped my
lovely paper of it's colour I wonder if anyone can tell me where to buy
more.

I received it from WCOG (I think ) in Autumn 1997 to make the Tres Joli
model and return to them. I was away when it came and was too late to do
it. Can anyone remember what the beautiful turquoise paper was and tell
me who stocks it.

Thanks

Penny
Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://nw.demon.co.uk/rpmrecords/bos/index.html





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:34:40 -0600
Subject: Re: Webpage update

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In an attempt to beat out Perry Bailey for the most frequent webpage
> updates, yes, there is another addition to my page. This is another classic
> puzzle where you can make the pieces with paper. The pieces are easy to
> fold, but solving the puzzle could give you some trouble. As always I am
> willing tpo e-mail the solution to the easily stumped. Good luck
>
> http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com/

Wonderful! more new models!  quick someone else join the competition, the
winners are, Everybody!!!!!

Perry (didn't even know I was competing, but ya gotta love the results) Bailey

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:52:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Complex Models

I have found a few things that might help you along.

2 Big rocks to hold the books down, come to think of it anything HEAVY would
probably do.  Couldn't pass this up sorry :)

And for the Complex models/paper recommendation, look at the number of
steps.  If the number of steps approaches or exceeds 100 don't start with
anything less than a 10" square.  Also if the model involves 3d shaping or
an extreme number of layers consider foil or wet folding.  Also look at the
pictures in the book (some books have em) it's fairly easy to pick out what
kind of paper was used from a photo.

Also if the number of steps approaches or exceeds 100 you can pretty much
bet on coming out with a fairly terribly approximation of the original so .
. . don't use your best papers first.

Also there is a website someone keeps with dimensions and such, this could
help you out greatly.  And help everyone out greatly if we all contributed
:)

B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
From:   John Sutter [mailto:sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent:   Saturday, January 09, 1999 7:31 PM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Complex Models

When it comes to doing harder models I have 2 wishes :

1) The designer of the book would use a spiral bound format
   Actually, I wish all origami books were spiral bound so they'd stay open
2) The model creator would recommend how big and what type paper to use for
inexperienced folders of complex
   models

(  Regular Kami paper just doesn't work very well in lots of cases )

Ria





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:41:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Langs Bat?

Post the website so we can all see it.

B R E T T=20

-----Original Message-----
From:   Thies de Waard [mailto:twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC]
Sent:   Sunday, January 10, 1999 8:53 AM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Langs Bat?

Hi list,

A Happy Newyear to all!

A few months ago I saw a extremely nice bat by Lang on the Xerox-
site. Does anyone know whether that model has been published, or
perhaps is available on the Web?

Ciao, Thies
----------------------------------
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Cuenca, ECUADOR
+593-7-822052 (thuis/home/casa)
+593-7-840254 (werk/office/oficina)
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Ahora solo tengo una direcci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico:
twaard@c.ecua.net.ec





From: Black Eagle <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:45:52 -0600
Subject: Re: origami earrings and ornaments.

Penny Groom wrote:

> Thinking about my message saying that clear nail polish stripped my
> lovely paper of it's colour I wonder if anyone can tell me where to buy
> more.

I wrote this on the list some time ago, but, because of this thread, I
thought I'd throw my two cents in, again.  If you take one of those
white household utility pastes and dilute them 50-50 with water,
you end up with a solution that can be painted lightly on any
origami (very lightly - I've even put some in a spray bottle, but you
have to clean out the spray mechanism very thoroughly when
you're through), and use up to three coats.  The result is shiny, but
sturdy and, when dry, relatively water-proof.

I have a bowl made over 25 years ago and still in good condition.  I
dust it on occasion with a damp rag.

Black Eagle
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Ask for my PGP public key
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From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:49:01 -0600
Subject: Re: origami earrings and ornaments.

Penny,

The Tres Joli was the 1997 Origami USA annual gift. As I recall, the
paper sent by OUSA was Folder's Foil. It is available from  Fascinating
folds for $7.95 for 50 sheets of 6-inch paper. Last time I checked (Fall
1998) the paper was not stocked by OUSA or Kim's Crane. It is a
monochromatic, jewel-like speckled  paper, almost holographic. It is
American-made, so I wonder if that would limit its availability in Europe.

Funny that OUSA would send a paper they do not sell, but I think I am
remembering correctly.

Happy folding!

-Jane





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:51:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Lang's insects

I have completed a few also, the Ant comes to mind as the one the most
people start with.

Also I found the Hercules beetle very Doable even with Kami. I have a
picture of one done from 6" Kami on my website.  Also pictured there is
langs long necked seed bug, considerably harder.

http://home.i1.net/brett/origami.animals.html
<http://home.i1.net/brett/origami.animals.html>

B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
From:   WILLIAM F. SINDEL [mailto:CISSITT@COMPUSERVE.COM]
Sent:   Saturday, January 09, 1999 12:51 PM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Lang's insects

Has anyone tried Robert Lang's ORIGAMI INSECTS?  I got the book after
enjoying a book by Montroll and Lang, but I have found most of Lang's
diagrams to be impossible to complete, especially the insects.  I have
never been eluded so much by any of John Montroll's books.   Is there
something I am missing about Lang's insects that makes them so difficult?





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:27:40 -0600
Subject: Re: looking for missouri members

I work in St. Louis and live in Illinois.

Email me at brett@hagerhinge.com <mailto:brett@hagerhinge.com>  maybe we can
setup a chat.

There are a few others on the list, names don't leap to mind though.
B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
From:   WILLIAM F. SINDEL [mailto:CISSITT@COMPUSERVE.COM]
Sent:   Wednesday, December 30, 1998 9:22 PM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        looking for missouri members

I am looking for members of this list who live in Missouri, particularly
St. Louis.
Carly Issitt





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:31:45 -0600
Subject: Re: Maitreya (was: Origami display at Xerox PARC)

The model is diagrammed in Tanteidan Convention book 4.

B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
From:   Kim Best [mailto:kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU]
Sent:   Friday, October 23, 1998 4:51 PM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Maitreya (was: Origami display at Xerox PARC)

Rjlang@AOL.COM wrote:

> You can see a selection of featured models at Marshall Bern's web site:

> http://www.parc.xerox.com/csl/members/bern/origami.html
>

I have some questions about the model labeled :
Takashi Hojyo, Maitreya (Miroku-Bosatsu)

Who is this gorgeous lady?  I don't know what 'Maitreya' means in english.
Anyone have more background?

Is her headgear supposed to look like a fancy engineers cap?  Thats what it
looks
like when I fold it, but from the photograph I can't tell if that supposed
to be
the case.

This is such a richly detail and beautiful model.  And should make anyone
who
claims that complex folding is so mired in technique it loses it's charm,
hang
their head in same.
--
Kim Best                            *******************************
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From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:43:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Model (Request, Challenge, or Attempt at Humor)

Hi, all.

I have a buddy who has a passion for Pez, the little candies that come
with a plastic dispenser (generally topped by a cartoon character--from
under whose chin the individual pieces of candy are dispensed).

I don't suppose anyone has designed a working origami Pez dispenser?
Perhaps the illustrious Jeremy Shafer?

Let me know....

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:48:01 +0100
Subject: Sv:      Re: origami earrings and ornaments.

Dear Penny Groom

I am sure that Silke has the paper you need for "tres joli"
Paulo created it and dedicated it to Silke.
So ask in Freising - Origami Germany.

Thok 99

thok@thok.dk
www.thok.dk  under construction.

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Til: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Dato: 11. januar 1999 15:53
Emne: Re: origami earrings and ornaments.

>Thinking about my message saying that clear nail polish stripped my
>lovely paper of it's colour I wonder if anyone can tell me where to buy
>more.
>
>I received it from WCOG (I think ) in Autumn 1997 to make the Tres Joli
>model and return to them. I was away when it came and was too late to do
>it. Can anyone remember what the beautiful turquoise paper was and tell
>me who stocks it.
>
>Thanks
>
>Penny
>Penny Groom
>Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
>BOS Homepage
>http://nw.demon.co.uk/rpmrecords/bos/index.html





From: "WILLIAM F. SINDEL" <CISSITT@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:05:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Lang's insects

Thanks  Brett.  I will try the long-necked seed bug and the ant.  I got
stumped on the dragonfly last night, and I still can't do the butterfly.  I
did a grasshopper and a scarab beetle, both with kami, and they came out
fine.
Carly





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:09:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Panda by Kunihiko Kasahara

Another Kunihiko Kasahara Panda is pictured on page 39 of Peter Engel's
"Origami From Angelfish to Zen" (originally published as "Folding The
Universe: Origami From Angelfish to Zen").

Does anyone know if diagrams for this Panda model have ever been
published?

Thanks!
Dorothy





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:15:49 +0100
Subject: Sv:      Re: origami earrings and ornaments.

Dear Penny Groom
I am sure that Silke has the paper you want for "tres joli"
Paulo created it and dedicated it to Silke.
Silke has all kinds of paper in stock
so e:mail: salzundpfeffer@t-online.de
or write or call or fax:
viereck verlag
Silke Schr=F6der - postfach 1922 - 85319 - Freising -Germany
tel 08161/41787  fax 08161/41785

Greetings from Kalmon, who will gladly blow the trumpet for=20
Silke and Paulo any time

also for Thok 99 once in a while
thok@thok.dk
www.thok.dk  under construction.





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VEhPUktJTEQgU9hOREVSR8VSRA==?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:44:02 +0100
Subject: Sv:      Re: origami earrings and ornaments.

Dear Penny Groom

I am sure Silke has the paper you need for "tres Joli"
Paulo created the model and dedicated it to Silke,.
so e-mail: salzundpfeffer@t-online.de
or write, call  or fax::
viereck verlag
origami - papier -  b=FCcher=20
Silke Schr=F6der - Postfach 1922 - 85319 Freising Germany.
tel: 08161/41787 fax: 08161/41785

greetings Kalmon, who will gladly blow the trumpet
for Silke and Paulo anytime

and also for Thok 99
once in while

thok@thok.dk
www.thok.dk   underconstruction.=20





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:49:57 +0100
Subject: Re: Panda by Kunihiko Kasahara

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, tommy wrote:
> Can anyone tell me which book has the diagrams for this panda?

Folding instructions for this particular panda appear (among others, I am
sure) in Paulo Mulatinho's book "Pfiffiges Origami".

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:37:33 -0800
Subject: Re: Complex Models

>X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by firewall.hagerhinge.com
>Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:52:12 -0600
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sender: Origami Mailing List <Origami@MIT.Edu>
>From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
>Subject:      Re: Complex Models
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>
>I have found a few things that might help you along.
>
>2 Big rocks to hold the books down, come to think of it anything HEAVY would
>probably do.  Couldn't pass this up sorry :)
>
>And for the Complex models/paper recommendation, look at the number of
>steps.  If the number of steps approaches or exceeds 100 don't start with
>anything less than a 10" square.  Also if the model involves 3d shaping or
>an extreme number of layers consider foil or wet folding.  Also look at the
>pictures in the book (some books have em) it's fairly easy to pick out what
>kind of paper was used from a photo.
>
>Also if the number of steps approaches or exceeds 100 you can pretty much
>bet on coming out with a fairly terribly approximation of the original so .
>. . don't use your best papers first.
>
>Also there is a website someone keeps with dimensions and such, this could
>help you out greatly.  And help everyone out greatly if we all contributed
>:)
>
>B R E T T
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:   John Sutter [mailto:sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET]
>Sent:   Saturday, January 09, 1999 7:31 PM
>To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject:        Complex Models
>
>When it comes to doing harder models I have 2 wishes :
>
>1) The designer of the book would use a spiral bound format
>   Actually, I wish all origami books were spiral bound so they'd stay open
>2) The model creator would recommend how big and what type paper to use for
>inexperienced folders of complex
>   models
>
>(  Regular Kami paper just doesn't work very well in lots of cases )
>
>Ria
>
>
BRETT:   1)  Rocks are a hassel and I prefer the other tips to get a
plexiglass cookbook holder, lap board or
             a metal clip :)  Thanks, June and Tim!  Thanks to Martin for
his tip about spiral bound books too.

         2)  There usually aren't photos of the models available and I've
found that I prefer 10" paper even
             for models that only are 40 to 50 steps :) I'm not as expert as
you are or as sassy! :)

Ria  ^   ^
    ( * * )
     -----
PS        Maybe hard cover books with better bindings would be an
alternative if they were less expensive, as            some list members
suggested, but that doesn't seem realistic afterall.  Anyhow, all the
opinions on
          were interesting to read, especially David Lister's.





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:42:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Panda by Kunihiko Kasahara

>This weekend I was thumbing through my origami books and I came across
>two references to a panda model by Kunihiko Kasahara. I first noticed a
>drawing of it in _Origami for the Connoisseur_ (on page 26 of the
>reprint). No diagrams in OftC though. I then noticed it in a photograph
>in _Origami Omnibus_ . It's sitting in the 'panorama box' on page 15 (of
>the reprint). Alas, the diagrams for this panda are not in the book. It
>even says the folding instructions are omitted under the section of the
>book where there is an explanation of the panorama cube. (There are
>diagrams for a panda in _Origami Omnibus_ just not the panda pictured.)
>
>Can anyone tell me which book has the diagrams for this panda?
>
>Thanks,
>Tommy

The Giant Panda can be found on Page 170 of Origami Omnibus, in both the
old and new editions.  It can be folded also in a smaller size to serve as
the baby panda, which can be placed in the mother panda's arms.  Very
attractive.  I used my new stem holder to hold a stem, which then could be
used as a stand to hold the mether panda by inserting in a slit inside the
body.
        James M. Sakoda
