




From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:24:33 +0100
Subject: Christmas stable and figures

Hi all of you,

I have a question, I heard some of you talking about decorating the christmas
tree with origami-models, and that is a nice idea. But now I wonder wether
there are models available for a christmas stable with figures, a Joseph,
Mary, little Jesus, shepherd, sheep, kings and so on. I guess it will not be
difficult to find models for the animals, but I have never seen a complete
set, all fitting together.

Does anybody know this?

Greetings,
Mirjam.
------------
mirjamv@theochem.kun.nl
http://www.theochem.kun.nl/~mirjamv/





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:38:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Sasuga

Gabriel wrote:
> I tried to contact Sasuga Bookstore via e-mail to the address in the web
> page, to check availabily of some books before placing the order.
>
> I did it twice and never receive an answer.
>
> Do you know which would be the best way to contact them?

I have always called.  When I did use email (quite a while ago) for general
inquiries, it seemed that they were only reading email a few times a week.  I
don't know if that has changed or not.

> I would appreciate a lot any help.

I would strongly suggest telephone.  I can't tell from your email address what
country and/or timezone you are in though.  If you are out of synch time wise,
contact me via private email and maybe I can act as a go-between.

-D'gou





From: Orazio Puglisi <puglisi@SCIENCE.UNITN.IT>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Christmas stable and figures

>Hi all of you,
>
>I have a question, I heard some of you talking about decorating the christmas
>tree with origami-models, and that is a nice idea. But now I wonder wether
>there are models available for a christmas stable with figures, a Joseph,
>Mary, little Jesus, shepherd, sheep, kings and so on. I guess it will not be
>difficult to find models for the animals, but I have never seen a complete
>set, all fitting together.
>
>Does anybody know this?
>
>Greetings,
>Mirjam.

There is a book by an italian folder, Luigi Leonardi,  " Presepe e Babbo
Natale in origami", which contains what you are looking for.
It is edited, as far as I remember, by " Il Castello".

All the best

Orazio

============================================================================
Orazio Puglisi
Department of Mathematics
University of  Trento
I-38050 Povo
ITALY

puglisi@alpha.science.unitn.it





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:05:41 -0500
Subject: Re: "folks from OUSA"

Heeeeey!  Perry Bailey writes:

>>>
If you folks from OUSA are listening, I also think this would be a good
idea, if you can keep the cost under $20.00 I would buy it!
<<<

Just to set the record straight - there are *some* of OUSA's
board members that are also readers of this mailing list.  But
not all.  Further, there is no official OUSA person who keeps
tabs on what is said on origami-l.  It's informal -- if something
of interest is brought up on origami-l, then I or someone else
might bring it up at a board meeting.  But this rarely happens.

If anyone is seriously interested in OUSA compiling old
Origamians into a book form (or better yet - if anyone would
like to HELP with such a project!!!  We're all volunteers, you
know, and you don't have to live in NYC to help out)
then you should contact the publications committee at OUSA.
Either look in a copy of The Paper or on OUSA's web site
(http://www.origami-usa.org/) to see who is on the
publications committee and how to get in touch with them.

Later,

----- Tom "ragged, but right" Hull
      thull@merrimack.edu





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:16:37 -0200
Subject: Re: Sasuga

>>From: Gabriel <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>

>>I tried to contact Sasuga Bookstore via e-mail to the address in the web
>>I did it twice and never receive an answer.
Sasuga's responsiveness looks much worse than it was two years ago. I
ordered goods there several times and never had any problem after the items
were actually shipped.

I likewise complained about the delay (one month) reporting the status
of my latest order. The recent (this week) message mentioned that
their new mailing system caused several (I'd say too many) e-mail
answers to be dropped.  They reverted to the old system---let's hope
service gets better now.





From: Glenda Scott <gdscott@OWT.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:21:10 -0700
Subject: Re: dividers for triangular boxes

My deepest appreciation and thanks go to Robert Moe and Elizabeth George
for their help in locating the dividers for triangular boxes.

...proving once again what a terrific resource the people on the origami
mailing list are.

Thank you.

Glenda Scott





From: Saliers <msaliers@HOME.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:48:22 -0800
Subject: Re: "folks from OUSA"

>take up a *lot* of room.  However, the Star of David out of a US
>dollar bill (verbal description, only - no diagrams) is something I
>have seen nowhere else.

Its in one of the OUSA convention folders.





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:00:45 -0600
Subject: Re: "folks from OUSA"

Thomas C Hull wrote:

> Heeeeey!  Perry Bailey writes:
>
> >>>
> If you folks from OUSA are listening, I also think this would be a good
> idea, if you can keep the cost under $20.00 I would buy it!
> <<<
>
> Just to set the record straight - there are *some* of OUSA's
> board members that are also readers of this mailing list.  But
> not all.  Further, there is no official OUSA person who keeps
> tabs on what is said on origami-l.  It's informal -- if something
> of interest is brought up on origami-l, then I or someone else
> might bring it up at a board meeting.  But this rarely happens.
>

Yes its a shame isn't ?  Wouldn't be nice if we could think that sometimes
the people who are on this list and in a position to do something actually
might?!  Yes Tom, it is a shame.

> If anyone is seriously interested in OUSA compiling old
> Origamians into a book form (or better yet - if anyone would
> like to HELP with such a project!!!  We're all volunteers, you
> know, and you don't have to live in NYC to help out)

Yes I would be willing.

>
> then you should contact the publications committee at OUSA.
> Either look in a copy of The Paper or on OUSA's web site
> (http://www.origami-usa.org/) to see who is on the
> publications committee and how to get in touch with them.
> ----- Tom "ragged, but right" Hull

I will drop a note to Marc Kirschenbaum offering to worfk on it after I
finnish typing this reply.

Perry (poorly dressed but not to be repressed)

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:19:28 -0800
Subject: The Origamian

More on my scheme to bug OrigamiUSA to publish a complete set of "The
Origamian".   Poetic justice too, since Alice was an entomologist!

Perhaps OrigamiUSA could poll its members  (as well as international
organizations) and offer paid subscriptions to an anthology of "The
Origamian".  This would indicate how many people would be willing to
support republication.  OUSA could then determine whether it would be
financially feasible to republish "The Origamian".

Dorothy





From: Black Eagle <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:45:51 -0600
Subject: Re: "folks from OUSA"

Perry Bailey writes:

        (snip)

> > If anyone is seriously interested in OUSA compiling old
> > Origamians into a book form (or better yet - if anyone would
> > like to HELP with such a project!!!  We're all volunteers, you
> > know, and you don't have to live in NYC to help out)

The thought was expressed that someone would be interested in paying
$20 for a book copy of the old Origamians.  I doubt it could be
published for so little.  I have copies back to the first issue (but
missing copies from the time of my divorce - 11 years ago) and they
take up a *lot* of room.  However, the Star of David out of a US
dollar bill (verbal description, only - no diagrams) is something I
have seen nowhere else.  There are a lot of Cerceda's models and
several others I've not seen anywhere else.

I would be willing to pay $20 a volume for a three volume set, if
anyone would be interested in compiling just the origami articles.
The other articles might be of historical interest, though, so there
might be some interest in a complete reprinting.

Oh, for those interested in accurate copyright dates, many models
first appeared in The Origamian and would establish copyright dates
for those wanting them.

Black Eagle
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From: Black Eagle <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:52:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

John Marcolina wrote:
> At 04:29 PM 11/18/1998 -0800, you wrote:
> >At 16:53 98/11/18 -0500, you wrote:
> >>I recently tried folding Fumiaki Kawahata's Stegosaurus model
> >>from Origami Fantasy (great book!).  I started folding it using
> >>brown kraft wrapping paper, but found it too thick and springy
> >>for this model.

        (snip)
> Fascinating folds carries a paper called "Crushed Leather", that
> looks remarkably similar to the paper in the photos (I think the
> T-Rex on the front cover is also folded from the same type of paper
> as the steg.). I tried folding from this paper and didn't like it
> nearly as much as Elephant Hide. It seems to have a lot of body, but
> it doesn't hold its shape as well when dry. Maybe it's not the same.
> The stuff F.F. has IS made in Taiwan, though. Hmmm.

Try this stunt.  Mix water and Elmer's Glue (or some similar
household glue) 50-50.  Brush on a model lightly, let dry and repeat
three times.  It stiffens the model without making it look plastic
and it will hold its shape better.  In addition, although the glue is
water-based, when dry, it prevents moisutre from the air from
reaching the paper.

Black Eagle
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From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:43:22 -0500 (
Subject: Re: "folks from OUSA"

Aloha Black Eagle,

In a message dated 98-11-20 20:45:39 EST, you write:

> However, the Star of David out of a US
>  dollar bill (verbal description, only - no diagrams) is something I
>  have seen nowhere else.

I believe Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Star of David is
diagrammed in OrigamiUSA's book
    "Making More With Money"
along with his Dollar Bill Stag, and many if not all
of the dollar bill folds from the  convention books
and the Origamian.

Go ahead list-eners, and tell me what got left out.
I'd love to know.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 06:43:50 -0500 (
Subject: Re: The Origamian

I should like to add my own voice to the plea for a reprint of the complete
run of The Origamian. I have, in fact, already spoken to organising members of
Origami USA about it. It is, however, something that will not happen without
focussed determination.

I am fortunate in that I already possess a complete set of original copies of
the Origamian, from volumes 2 to 16. I also have copies of the issues of
volume one, but one or two of them are photocopies, not originals. Volume 1
was not printed, but was what we used to call "duplicated", using waxed
"skins". No.1 one was reproduced on American letter-sized paper and nos. 2 to
5 on American foolscap-sized paper. Some of the printing is muzzy and the
diagrams are faint, so that volume one would not reproduce at all well.
Ideally it should be reset. But Volume 1 dealt with the heady days immediately
following the formation of the Origami Center in October 1958, and I am sure
that a reprint of this one volume would be a joy to most folders.

Volume 1 appeared in five issues from October 1958 to March 1959. Then there
was a gap during which the difficulties of publishing a regular newsletter or
magazine defeated Lillian. But unexpectedly, in 1961, a newsapaper publisher,
Peter Miller from far away in Peru, Illinois, telephoned her offering to print
an origami periodical on his newspaper press. Lillian called him her Fairy
Godmother and jumped at his offer. In this way that the Origamian reumed
publiction in the Summer of 1961, but transformed into the form of a
newspaper. Perhaps this was not inappropriate, because the name "Origamian"
had been chosen at the suggestion of Lillian's great friend, Sylvia Rabinof,
the concert pianist, as a play on the name of the distinguished West Coast
newspaper, "The Oregonian".

Every tribute must be paid to Peter Miller. As I understand it, he printed
"The Origamian" and did not ask for payment. Without "The Origamian", the
Origami Center could never have been so influential as it was in bringing
paperfolders together and stimulating the growth of the modern Origami
Movement. And without Peter Miller, there would have been no Origamian. Still
today, he deserves our very warmest thanks.

The remainder of the issues of The Origamian, beginning in 1961 are
consequently printed professionally as a newspaper on large pages, 11 1/2  by
14 1/2 inches. In the earlier issues, there was only one sheet folded in half
to make four pages, but later the number of pages was increased to eight. In
the later volumes, too, issues were often delayed and then combined together.
Occasionally special issues were  published combining three issues together,
for a special pupose, such as the jumbo-sized issue on Dokuohtei Nakano, which
contained Gershon Legman's very long tribute to Nakano..

The trouble is, however, that The Origamian was printed on cheap newsprint
paper. In the normal course of events, newsprint is intended to have a life of
one day before being thrown away or used to light fires or (in England) used
to wrap up fish and chips. As soon as it has been made, the acid present in
newsprint paper begins to attack the paper from within and it quickly becomes
brittle and tears very easily. Collectors of childeren's comics are very aware
of this characteristic and go to great lengths to keep their precious copies
intact, putting them in special bags, which are renewed regularly. The Times
of London used to have a special edition of the newspaper printed on good
quality paper. Copies were sent to the reigning monarch and other prominent
people and to those who paid a special subscription, and also to libraries. I
don't know whether this is still done today, but in the interests of
historical record, I hope so. No doubt other newspapers did the same thing;
perhaps they still do.

My own copies of The Origamian are not exempt from this slow decay and they
are becoming very brittle, tending to tear along the folds. I handle them as
seldom as possible and as carefully as posible, but it grieves me to watch the
progress of the disintegration. Don't breathe a word to the copyright people,
but I have made photocopies of the parts I use most frequently, solely to
avoid handling the originals more than necessary.

So, I would certainly welcome a new reproduction of the complete "Origamian".
To my mind, the actual process of reproduction of The Origamian should not be
a very difficult process, given modern technology. The printing is sharp.
Photogrphs might present more of a problem than the text or diagrams. Another
problem is that many issues have a double-spread centrefold. It would be
necessary to ensure that the two pages appeared opposite to each other in the
reproduction, which should open flat, and without losing any part of the
contents in the binding.

Because  the issues varied in the number of pages, it is not possible to
arrive at an accurate figure for the number of pages without counting each
issue and I do not have the time for that.. But a rough estimate is possible.
There were 57 copies of the Origamian from volume 2 to volume 16, some, as I
have said, being put together in combined issues. Taking the average number of
pages as six per issue, this makes a rough total of 336 pages.

A book of 336 pages of paper, 11 1/2  x   14  1/3  inches would be a very
substantial publication.. Even this does not include Volume 1, which would
require separate treatment. I do not think that a volume (or two or three
voumes, which would be more manageable) could possibly be done for $20.00.

There is, too, the question of how many paperfolders would be willing to pay
for such a prroduction. I know I would gladly pay for a copy whatever the
cost, and probably buy two copies. But then I know I am a peculiar sort of
paper folder, interested in history and other abstract aspects rather than in
doing real folding. Many subscribers to Origami-L are not interested in
matters of this sort, but they are interested in actual models and how to fold
them and overcome the frequent knotty points that arise in the instructions
for complex models. This seems a very reasonable attitude to me., But I know
that such practical folders would be reluctant to spend $50 or more on a
reproduction of The Origamian, even is it did contain many intructions for
maodels, when they could spend their money of books containing instructions
for challenging complex models.

I mention these points not in order to dissuade Origami USA or any other
potential publisher from taking up this project. Far from it  But in order for
any project to succeeed, a realistic appreciation of the difficulties must be
kept in mind.

Having said that, I do hope that subscribers to Origami-L and all other paper
folders will bombard Origami USA (in a kindly sort of way - remember, they are
volunteers) with encouragement at least to look into a project for
reproduction of "The Origamian". Better still, as has been suggested,
volunteer to join in working on the project. And if you have them, seek the
interest of your millionaire uncles in the project. Hard work is what is
wanted, but money, as always, would come in useful. In this way the Project
can and WILL come to fruition.

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.
(But where on earth is Grimsby?)

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 06:44:26 -0700
Subject: Re: ObExplanation

>ObOrigami: Watching _The Pretender_ the other night I was
>amused to see that Jarod's folding ability has decreased
>dramatically since the first season. IIRC (If I recall correctly),
>in one of the first episodes he had folded Icarus, but now he's
>folding the traditional swan.
>
Actually, it wasn't quite the traditional swan...the neck was formed with a
crimp fold instead of the usual outside reverse fold.  I thought it was an
interesting twist on the normal model, and made it slightly more appealing.

Bugly





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 09:45:09 -0500 (
Subject: Re: straw folding...source

Jasmine  requested sources on straw weaving.

Here are some old sources - Doxie Keller and Lois McNeil's book called Wheat
Weaving, write to Doxie at 127 West 30th, Hutchinson, KS 67501 and also Straw
Weaver Inc. in Haven, KS

Years ago I bought directions as well as nice wheat from her.
Good Luck,  Barbara





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:15:12 -0800 (
Subject: meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0507
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike & Anita

______________________________________________________
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From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:08:27 -0500 (
Subject: Re: The Origamian

Any thought to a CD-ROM instead of print media for the Origamian? I have no
idea of costs, but the images could be scanned quite faithfully. Just a
thought.

Merida





From: SeananF@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:31:02 -0500 (
Subject: Re: The Origamian

Dear Merida,

You have to be careful about all that thinking; it burns brain cells, you
know.

Lots of love,

Seanan

PS Are you planning to be at the NY convention next summer?  I can't remember
when it is, but am hoping to be there.





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:28:45 -0500
Subject: Re: The Origamian

On 21 Nov 98, at 6:43, DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

> I should like to add my own voice to the plea for a reprint of the complete
> run of The Origamian.

Mine, too!!  I think it'd be great to have The Origamian reprinted...

> So, I would certainly welcome a new reproduction of the complete "Origamian".
> To my mind, the actual process of reproduction of The Origamian should not be
> a very difficult process, given modern technology.

I agree.  producing other-than-hardbound books has never been easier, and
making diagrams has never been easier.  Even photos aren't that much of a
problem --- the only hard part would be finding a not-too-yellowed
original to scan in.

> A book of 336 pages of paper, 11 1/2  x   14  1/3  inches would be a very
> substantial publication.. Even this does not include Volume 1, which would
> require separate treatment. I do not think that a volume (or two or three
> voumes, which would be more manageable) could possibly be done for $20.00.
>
> There is, too, the question of how many paperfolders would be willing to pay
> for such a prroduction. I know I would gladly pay for a copy whatever the
> cost, and probably buy two copies.

Well, I"m not sure I"m in the 'whatever the cost' camp, but I'd for-sure
get a set at up to $100 without a thought...

Someone [in another message] suggested putting the collection on CD-ROM.
I think that'd be pretty effective, on the whole, if it were done
carefully.  I, personally, find online/computerized documents fairly
unsatisfactory, but on the other hand for something like a collection of
The Origamian, I could easily get by if it had a decent print engine [and
the various bits and pieces were suitably formatted] so that I could get
hardcopies when I needed them.  NOte that David was talking about double-
spread 11x14 sheets, and few of us even have screens as large as an
8.5x11/A4 page.

On the other hand, one thing that would probably bring the costs WAY down
would be to duplicate the _content_ but not necessarily the -form- of The
Origamian.

Unlike David [lucky you!!!] I have only a few issues of The Origamian
about...  I have one here Vol 15, combined issues 2,3,4 [what's amazing
is that *NOWHERE* is there any indication of what year [nor copyright
info..  was the copyright held by Alice, by the Origami Center, retained
by the individual authors... UGH!!!].  I haven't looked at it in years...
what a *treasure*...  Wow..

Oh...back to my point: it is 11x14 on newsprint, but a skim through
revealed nothing that couldn't, without -any- loss, be rendered in a less
cumbersome format.  Since the only thing that makes sense is to key in
the info again, putting it in 8x11 wouldn't be that hard [although it
would up the page count a bit, but cut the cost dramatically].

> I mention these points not in order to dissuade Origami USA or any other
> potential publisher from taking up this project. Far from it  But in order for
> any project to succeeed, a realistic appreciation of the difficulties must be
> kept in mind.
>
> Having said that, I do hope that subscribers to Origami-L and all other paper
> folders will bombard Origami USA (in a kindly sort of way - remember, they are
> volunteers) with encouragement at least to look into a project for
> reproduction of "The Origamian". Better still, as has been suggested,
> volunteer to join in working on the project. And if you have them, seek the
> interest of your millionaire uncles in the project. Hard work is what is
> wanted, but money, as always, would come in useful. In this way the Project
> can and WILL come to fruition.

Well, I'd love to see it happen.  I'm in not much of a position to help
much [I live on a farm several hundred miles from anywhere, and with few
resources], and the question of contributions is a bit knotty
unless/until something gets organized.  What the project needs is a
person [or small committee] to make it happen, not necessarily any money.

Note that it might not need the involvement of OUSA [although I can't see
why they wouldn't be enthusiastic at the idea of the reprints!] ---
wasn't the Flapping Bird reprinted privately?

Anyone want to volunteer to try to organize the effort?

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:11:39 +0000
Subject: soccer ball - Neale and Shall versions

Joan Appel wrote:
> Enough of the nostalgia and down to origami bussiness.  I was surprised
> that in the exhaustive discussion of soccer balls nobody mentioned David
> Shall's version which he presented (and if I remember correctly, taught
> at the 1982 FOCA convention. it is made from a square divided in thirds
> one way and in sixths the other yeilding six modules (3x2). The
> dodecahedron (inverted soccer ball) requires 30 modules and also make a
> stunning Xmas ornament. Ninrty of the same module produce a truncated
> icosohedron. At the end of his excellent diagrams he notes...."This
> (icosohedron) is the same as...Robert Neale'sNo More After
> This",although the modoles are quite different".
>
One caveat - I made the Robt. Neale version many summers ago out of kami.
Within a week, the humidity had caused it to sag into a teardrop (to match
mine after folding and putting 90 pieces together.) There wasn't a "next time"
or I would have used something stiffer.

Nice to see you on the list, Joan, I've missed you at our origami events.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:55:38 -0600
Subject: Re: The Origamian

Meristein@AOL.COM wrote:

> Any thought to a CD-ROM instead of print media for the Origamian? I have no
> idea of costs, but the images could be scanned quite faithfully. Just a
> thought.

I could get into this idea.  or another way of keeping expenses down reprint as
a series of books for a low individual price.  That way those on a budget could
still buy, without out laying down a hundred on the spot.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Dania El Iraqi <dana_near_you@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:45:37 -0800
Subject: Papyrus Production

Thank you all for the warm welcome I received.

I'm sorry for the late reply, but it took me some time to finally find
ac computer with an access to the Internet at my new job.

Rachel, I've been trying to find some connection between Papyrus &
Origami, but till now I've had no such luck yet.  However, I'm
currently reading a book about papyrus and although I've read it some
years back - before becoming a tourist guide - I find it more
fascinating now since it gives me a new insight into the history of
Papyrus.  The ancient Egyptians used this plant for many things - no
wonder they worshipped it.  They even used it to make food.  Did you
know that it contains a certain amount of sugar and that this sugar is
the factor that made the pieces of papyrus stick together to from
paper?  Tell you what, I'll enclose a complete description of papyrus
manufacture at the end of this message.  By the way I'd like to tell
you that you'd be most welcome whenever you decide to visit Egypt.
And if you'd like, it'd be my pleasure to be your official tour guide.

Dorigami, I'd love to come to the Origami Convention in NY and meet
you when & if I visit the USA.

To those who're interested, this is a complete albeit short
description of papyrus production as performed by the ancient Egyptians:
Papyrus is a plant that consists of a long stalk with an umbelligerous
flower head. The lower part of the stalk, which is the most suitable
part for paper manufacture, is cut off with the measurement of the
desired paper length.  The outer green rind (or skin) is peeled off,
which is quite strong and thus was used to make sandals for the
priests, boxes, mattresses and baskets, among other things.  The inner
white pith, on the other hand, was used to make paper by slicing it
into longitudinal strips.  These strips, however, are brittle since
they contain a lot of water.  To rid them of this water, they have to
be hammered using a wooden mallet and then rolled to flatten them.
Unfortunately the strips still contain about 20% sugar, which has to
be reduced to only about 10% which is the proper amount to make the
strips stick together.  To achieve this, the strips are placed in
water for about 6 days after which they become a little brown in color
as well as sticky.  Now the strips are ready for making paper.  Next
the sliced strips are placed between 2 sheets of cotton cloths.
They're arranged in such a way that they form 2 layers, the first
takes a horizontal direction, while the second is placed crosswise to
the first layer.  The strips are then hammered very hard and pressed &
dried for another six days between 2 flat stones after which a real
strong piece of papyrus is ready for use as paper.

Unfortunately I won't be able to send pictures to clarify these steps,
but I hope that this short description has given you some idea of the
process of papyrus manufacture.  If you'd like to know anything else
related to ancient Egyptian civilization, I'd be glad to help out.

Dana
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From: Pete Miller <pmiller@NICOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:51:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Christmas stable and figures

The Origami for Christmas by Chiyo Araki has a nativity scene (without
Joseph).  It has Mary, the Infant Jesus, Wise Men (made out of 2 pieces of
paper, one for the man and one for the cape), Manger, simple horse and
Camel.  (no sheep)
The manger does not have a stand, they have instructions for making a stand
by taking 3 pieces of paper and cutting and gluing.

In addition to a Nativity schene, it also has Santa and some reindeer
(although the horns are cut out and inserted into the deers head, and the
model has one cut involved to split the 2 rear feet.  Even with the cuts it
is a simple but nice looking Reindeer.

The book also has some nice ideas to make an tree with a wire to hand
origami ornaments from and a second tree out of paper, some nice wreath
ideas, a deer head which it suggests (and I have used) for a present tag,
and some cut out card ideas.

The models in the book are fairly simple, and some require minor cutting
with scissors (which I am usually against), but I highly recommend the
book, both for the models and the ideas on how to use the models in
displays, wreaths, cards,  and ornaments.

I bought this book about 9 years ago and made some poinsettas to use as
ornamets on my tree.  I still have them and hang them every year.

----------
> From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Christmas stable and figures
> Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 9:24 AM
>
> Hi all of you,
>
> I have a question, I heard some of you talking about decorating the
christmas
> tree with origami-models, and that is a nice idea. But now I wonder
wether
> there are models available for a christmas stable with figures, a Joseph,
> Mary, little Jesus, shepherd, sheep, kings and so on. I guess it will not
be
> difficult to find models for the animals, but I have never seen a
complete
> set, all fitting together.
>
> Does anybody know this?
>
> Greetings,
> Mirjam.
> ------------
> mirjamv@theochem.kun.nl
> http://www.theochem.kun.nl/~mirjamv/





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:34:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Origamian, Repro & Star of David

On 22 Nov 98, at 10:56, Martha Winslow-Cole wrote:

> Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
> > Oh...back to my point: it is 11x14 on newsprint, but a skim through
> > revealed nothing that couldn't, without -any- loss, be rendered in a less
> > cumbersome format.  Since the only thing that makes sense is to key in
> > the info again, putting it in 8x11 wouldn't be that hard [although it
> > would up the page count a bit, but cut the cost dramatically].
> >
>
> I'm not necessarily advocating that the format of a reproduced Origamian be
     changed,
> but, although I haven't tried it yet with one of my Origamians, they could
     probably
> be scanned through a good optical character reader and would not have to be
> rekeyed.

I'd be surprised if anyone could find a copy of ten-year-old newsprint
that would scan really well.  I know mine are pretty yellowed and a bit
tattered around the edges...  YOu really think that OCR would be good
enough to get us non-image text...  having test-files as huge graphic
images is pretty unwieldy generally [IMO].

I guess it also is a matter of scale: once you assume you'll ahve to do
editing/reformatting, two things come to the fore: one is that you _can_
reformat [e.g., to 8.5x11]. Another is that it is relatively simple to do
searching and indexing [for example, if we did do a CD-ROM version, it is
awfully seductive to have it HTML formatted and be able to use hyperlinks
to move around between articles and such], and the material could benefit
from modern tools [jpg, pdf, etc] and provide a *lot* of flexibility in
the output [both HTML, on-computer, and a plethora of hardcopy output
choices].

On the other hand, if we could scan the stuff, photoshop or something the
figures right into separate images and OCR the text right into text, it
would go a LONG LONG way toward making the project hugely easier [which,
of course, goes a long way to getting it to happen! :o)].  And the
rekeying could then be done *later*.  [There could be the 'proof' edition
of the Origamian [OCR/scanned imagage] and the "final" edition [rekeyed
and rediagrammed], and the latter could dribble out long after the first.

> A side comment.  One of the most challenging things I have ever folded was
     the Star
> of David money fold from Alice's written directions in the Origamian. ..

Me too!!!  I couldn't find it last night but I'm sure I have -that- issue
of the Origamian tucked away someplace [precisely because of the SoD
fold].  Boy I wish someone could secure all the rights and do a Rohm
collection... it would be mind-blowing.  He was a truly amazing creator.

  /Bernie\
--
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mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:56:33 -0500
Subject: Origamian, Repro & Star of David

Bernie Cosell wrote:

> Oh...back to my point: it is 11x14 on newsprint, but a skim through
> revealed nothing that couldn't, without -any- loss, be rendered in a less
> cumbersome format.  Since the only thing that makes sense is to key in
> the info again, putting it in 8x11 wouldn't be that hard [although it
> would up the page count a bit, but cut the cost dramatically].
>

I'm not necessarily advocating that the format of a reproduced Origamian be
     changed,
but, although I haven't tried it yet with one of my Origamians, they could
     probably
be scanned through a good optical character reader and would not have to be
rekeyed.  I have scanned and run newsprint size columns through an OCR with
     great
success.  I will try this evening.  Also, I would be willing to help in any way
     I
could with a reproduction effort.

A side comment.  One of the most challenging things I have ever folded was the
     Star
of David money fold from Alice's written directions in the Origamian.
     Inititally I
became quite frustrated, but the photo of the finished model kept me going.  I
     was
in the hinterlands and didn't know anyone who could help me, but I was
     determined.
When I finally figured it out, I was ecstatic and immediately folded several
     more to
have some to take apart if I ever had trouble again..

Martha (formerly Mitchen) Winslow-Cole





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:26:16 -0500
Subject: Re: "folks from OUSA"

Tom Hull wrote:
> . . . if something of interest is brought up on origami-l,
> then I or someone else might bring it up at a board meeting.
>  But this rarely happens.

and Perry Bailey replied:
> Yes its a shame isn't ?  Wouldn't be nice if we could think that sometimes
> the people who are on this list and in a position to do something actually
> might?!

I agree that it's a shame when people "in a position to do something"
fail to act, but I think Tom's point (if I may speak for Mr. "does a
pretty good job all by himself" Hull) was that _every_ OUSA member is
just as much "in a position to do something" about Perry's suggestion
as any other, including Board members.

Being a Board member has a lot of perks -- you get to go to all those
meetings; you get to deal with all the legal mumbo-jumbo that keeps
the corporation going; and you get to work long hours before, during,
and after each Annual Convention, to the point where you start looking
like a zombie sometime around Sunday noon (no offense, guys!) -- and
there are probably dozens more that I can't even think of. I think that
expecting Board members to treat every suggestion addressed to "you
folks from OUSA" as a personal directive is going a little too far
-- they're having enough fun already!

Just my two cents,

Mike Naughton





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:38:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Origamian, Repro

On 22 Nov 98, at 12:03, Martha Winslow-Cole wrote:

> Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
> > I'd be surprised if anyone could find a copy of ten-year-old newsprint
> > that would scan really well.  I know mine are pretty yellowed and a bit
> > tattered around the edges...  YOu really think that OCR would be good
> > enough to get us non-image text...  having test-files as huge graphic
> > images is pretty unwieldy generally [IMO].
>
> I happened to still be on line when your reply came, so you challenged me.  I
     pulled out
> Volume 2, Issue 1 of the Origamian which I purchased at the convention this
     year and
> scanned one column through my OCR into Word Pad.  I didn't run it through a
     speller or
> proof it word for word,. but it appears to have scanned flawlessly.

That sounds great by me.  If we really can find good-enough copies that
will scan/OCR well, even spellchecking/editing after the fact is a
relatively simple matter, and converting the sections-of-scan that hold
diagrams into .jpg's or the like also ought to be fairly simple.

So it sounds to me like it would be doable [at least to get great-quality
electronic versions of The Origamian].

I'd say that stage-1 [assuming someone was willing to step forward to
oversee the project] would be threefold:
   a) securing copryight permissions
   b) finding the best copies we can of the original issues
   c) finding someone to do the first-pass scan-em-in and OCR-em.

[note that once that's done, we'll be dealing with digital media and so
drafts can be emailed around, dozens of folk can assist with the project
with just a click or two, etc... and so it looks to me like those first
steps would be the real startup-bottleneck.]

  /Bernie\

--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:41:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Christmas stable and figures

>
>
> ----------
> > From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL> I have never seen a
> complete
> > set, all fitting together.
> >
> > Does anybody know this?
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Mirjam.
> > ------------
> > mirjamv@theochem.kun.nl
> > http://www.theochem.kun.nl/~mirjamv/
> > ------------

A comment on, Pressepe e Babbo Natale in Origami by Luigi Leonardi.  It
contains:
The baby Jesus
A crib
Mary
Joseph
a crook for Joseph
a shepard holding a sheep
the three Kings
sheep
a bull
a donkey
camels both standing and kneeling
a manger
a shooting star
palm trees
a seated and a flying angel

In the back , it also contains a Santa, reindeer, sleigh and star (which is
modified to become the palm fronds on the palm trees)

It is the most complete set I have seen.  I think the only one with a Manger.
With the exception of the crook and the base of the palm trees, I believe all
the other models are made out of various sized squares.  The proportions of the
squares with the finished height are given which makes it possible to scale the
figures to the final size you desire.  Years ago, inspired by a picture in the
book of all the figures folded out of gold foil, I made a complete miniature
set (most pieces about an inch high) out of gold foil for my sister.  It really
looks nice in miniature.

This fall at SEOF, I purchased another Italian book from Kim's Crane that has
the nativity, Un Natale tutto di carta by Enap Ruscitti, also published by Il
Castello.  It contains figures that are flat enough to be affixed to cards,
although they can also stand.  I think all the animals are two piece models.  I
have not yet folded anything from it.  It also contains some modular Christmas
tree ornaments in the back.





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:03:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Origamian, Repro

Bernie Cosell wrote:

> I'd be surprised if anyone could find a copy of ten-year-old newsprint
> that would scan really well.  I know mine are pretty yellowed and a bit
> tattered around the edges...  YOu really think that OCR would be good
> enough to get us non-image text...  having test-files as huge graphic
> images is pretty unwieldy generally [IMO].
>

Bernie,

I happened to still be on line when your reply came, so you challenged me.  I
     pulled out
Volume 2, Issue 1 of the Origamian which I purchased at the convention this
     year and
scanned one column through my OCR into Word Pad.  I didn't run it through a
     speller or
proof it word for word,. but it appears to have scanned flawlessly.

Martha





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:07:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Origamian, Repro

Bernie,

I just tried a very yellowed copy and it scanned fairly well.  It only seemed
     to have missed a
couple of words.  I'm not sure when I started getting the Origamian, probably
     the late 70's
and my issues are yellowed and dog earred.  So I bought all four sets of the
     Origamian they
were selling at the convention this year.  They weren't complete sets.  But I
     do have many of
the issues starting with volume 2.  Some however, are printed on red paper.
     The contrast was
to poor for me to scan in black and white and my OCR version will not do color
     so I could not
run them.  But I would assume there are versions that will, if fact, I think
     the one we use at
work will.  The columns do scan well in color so I'm sure they will convert if
     conversion from
color is possible.

Martha





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:21:10 -0800
Subject: Re: The Origamian

My thanks to all of you who responded to the list and to me privately in
support of my suggestion that OrigamiUSA re-publish a complete set of
"The Origamian".

I would just like to add that though a CD-ROM of "The Origamian" may be
technologically and financially feasible for OrigamiUSA to undertake, I
strongly oppose this method of re-publication.

My feeling is that the re-publication of an historic document as "The
Origamian" deserves the widest possible audience.
In the interest of origami history, a book format should be selected for
re-publication.

My "entomological lobbying" will commence in earnest next month (or
shortly after the holidays), after I complete Folding California.

If anyone would like to contact the  OrigamiUSA Publications Committee,
they can be reached by email from OUSA's web site.

Dorothy





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:06:36 +0100
Subject: Re: The Origamian

    I too would like to get the reprint of the Origamian.  And in fact, if
this project ever comes real, it could lead to the reprint of other Origami
publications (I vote for the BO magazines).

    The main problem will be copyrights (No, I don't want to start the same
thread again).    But if OrigamiUSA can solve the problem for the Origamian,
it could be used as a jurisprudence for other reprints.

    And to answer the many answers that I will get, NO, I don't plan to
reprint the COSB !

        JJ Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:20:09 -0500
Subject: Re: The Origamian

On 22 Nov 98, at 13:21, Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> My thanks to all of you who responded to the list and to me privately in
> support of my suggestion that OrigamiUSA re-publish a complete set of
> "The Origamian".
>
> I would just like to add that though a CD-ROM of "The Origamian" may be
> technologically and financially feasible for OrigamiUSA to undertake, I
> strongly oppose this method of re-publication.
>
> My feeling is that the re-publication of an historic document as "The
> Origamian" deserves the widest possible audience.
> In the interest of origami history, a book format should be selected for
> re-publication.

I agree, except for two problems;
   1) book form will be more difficult to produce
   2) book form will be a bunch more expensive

(1) isn't profound but just normal stuff: getting things printed on a
properly-adjusted printer, managing the consider sheaf of "originals" and
then getting them reproduced and bound and storing them and shipping them
is just more involved than the equivalent operations for producting CD-
ROMs these days.

But I think that (2) will be the real killer..  As much as I love real
books and would treasure a beautifully-produced "on paper" version of the
Origamian, I think that the additional cost of that over a CD-ROM version
will in part defeat your goal of "the widest possible audience".  David
estimated 325+ pages [and I"m not sure if that was even for the entire
corpus], and if I remember right they were -large-format- pages.  300+
pages of a folio edition and would be a nightmare to get printed and
bound and stored and shipped [even that many pages of ordinary-printing
is a fairly hefty book and won't be inexpensive].  If David's estimate
WAS folio and it turned into 500-600 (more?) pages of 8.5x11 sheets, that
would make for a *real* difficult printing and binding job, it seems to
me, and so it would be a fairly pricey item when all was said and done.

Altogether, it scares me more than a little bit...  I got enthusiastic
that a CD-ROM version would be doable; I fear that a properly-produced
hardcopy version will be MUCH to difficult a project...

[but as with the scanning, I'd be -delighted- to be proven wrong...
Here's my quick-cut of how a CD-ROM version would go: Given that I
suspect there'll be a plethora of volunteer effort available, I would
guess that the production costs of the collection could be quite minimal
no matter what final medium is chosen.

BUT: CD-ROM production costs are pretty small these days; I'd guess that
the whole collection will fit on a single CD-ROM, and I would bet that
OUSA could get them reproduced [including a printed cover] for <$5 each,
and so could sell them for $10 or $20 and make a tidy profit and still
have it well within the grasp of just about everyone.  Also, the up-front
costs of getting a run of CD's made isn't so severe and so they could do
smallish runs and "reprint" as necessary, and so cut down on the capital
investment.

Perhaps someone familiar with what's available could estimate what it
would take to print and bind a book that would be 500 8.5x11 pages.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Jim Elliott <jpmh@NET.BLUEMOON.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:14:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Baby Grand Piano

I lost directions for folding a baby grand piano in an apartment fire
last spring. I hand made paper to use for a large scale origami model of
a baby grand piano in anticipation of finding another copy of the
instructions in time for a  presentation for my paper art class in early
December.  I have not been sucessful in locating another copy of the
instructions thus far.  I have already folded a large mockup of a  piano
with an attached figure  but it has proven unusable for my situation. I
do not wish to abandon the baby grand piano, so I would be very grateful
if someone of you would e-mail me a copy of the instructions for an
origami baby grand piano as soon as possible. Thank you, Maire





From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:40:22 -0500 (
Subject: Re: The Origamian

Gosh, I'm really glad my CD-ROM suggestion was so well received!!! It seems to
me that this format can reach the intended audience at an affordable price and
will therefore serve all intended purposes.

I can help with graphics such as designing the cover, or simply supplying hand
lettering for the appropriate parts.

Merida





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:43:38 -0800
Subject: Re: The Origamian

Merida,

What is the intended audience for your
CD-ROM and how can a CD-ROM serve all intended purposes?

I originally submitted the suggestion to the list to republish The
Origamian, yet I don't have a computer and so I could not benefit from
reading The Origamian if a CD-ROM was the sole avenue for
re-publication.

If OrigamiUSA agrees to re-publish The Origamian, whether or not a
companion CD-ROM is offered which, by the  way, would be a great idea,
I feel a printed version of The Origamian is absolutely essential.

Besides, there are inexpensive methods of printing and binding that
would not present such a financially daunting task to OrigamiUSA,
especially if copies were initially offered on a pre-paid subscription
basis.

Dorothy





From: Nancy Hulen <nhulen@SOCKETS.NET>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:48:52 -0600
Subject: Re: Christmas stable and figures

Christmas Origami volume 4 has a very simple but attractive Nativity.
It has Mary, the Infant Jesus, Wise Men, Manger and simple horse.

I made my  origami Nativity using the horse and camel from
Origami for Christmas by Chiyo Araki and the human figures and manger
from Christmas Origami.

Christmas Origami is a 4 volume set published by Heian International, Inc.
the ISBN for vol 4 is 0-89346-283-7.  Each volume is usually sold
separately.
Each volume has 14 pages.

Nancy Hulen
nhulen@sockets.net





From: cory <Cory@CHICAGO.AVENEW.COM>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:05:45 -0600
Subject: Re: The Origamian

Greetings,

    This is my first time posting to the list, so let me just say what a
pleasure it's been spying on you the past couple of  weeks and the
splendid resources I've found just from this list.

    Now, I'm on the younger side, so I don't know too much about the cost
and other various troubleof publications and what not, but it would seem
to me that the initial problem is logging the information onto a
computer.  Once the information is transported onto something more
flexible, could it not be given to one company who spits out CD-roms, and
another who produces books?

    So perhaps only a few books would be made, but I know companies make
information packets all the time, and if the Origamian were split into
several different books, and printed as companies produce packets, I can't
imagine costs being near the $100 dollars a set a person stated they would
be willing to pay.

Personally, I missed the original printing of the Origamian, and have seen
only a single issue of it many years ago when I was quite teeny.  So I
would absolutly love to see it reprinted.  I would imagine that if it had
a very nice print engine, that a CD-rom would be much more plausible.
Almost every library that I've seen has a computer, or at work, several
colleges have computers, and I'm willing to bet that every person on this
list has access to a computer.  And with very nice printing properties,
you could simply print 'the model of the day' and take it home to work on
it.  Granted this is a massive inconvienance to several people.  But I
would imagine a much less inconvienance in the long run, than having
everyone drop $100 to purchase it.

Cory Miller                                                        "Common
sense is what tells you the world is flat"
Avenew Technical
Support
-Principia Discordia





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 06:03:37 -0800
Subject: easy origami garland no chains

Greetings,

Some time ago I asked list members to suggest where I might find diagrams
for garland for Xmas trees and I did
go to Van de Gelder's site and try the ones there, but they would take too
long.  Does anybody know a quick and
easy diamond shape garland?  I've seen this at a tree festival once before.
I've made something like it before
when I made Gay Merrill Gross's model for barretts in her Art of Origami book.

I folded a Kasahara Christmas Tree that looks like a 3' pyramid with shelves
on top of another solid pyramid like base ( from the Magic of Origami), but
I'd like to trim it with more than animals and flower models so
does anybody have some ideas for me?

Ria ^   ^





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:00:17 +1100
Subject: Re: Sasuga

Hi Gabriel,

I also have e-mailed Sasuga a number of times with varying results - most
recently those results being very poor.

I have always resorted to faxing when actually placing an order with them,
and these seem gain an instant e-mail confirmation of the order.

Regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:09:06 +1100
Subject: Re: Christmas stable and figures

If memory serves, "Creative Origami" by Kunihiko Kasahara has a number of
figures for the nativity scene.

Doug mentioned The Creche section from "Secrets of Origami". It is
the only complete scene of the nativity that I have seen, though the
unusual measurements used in the models, and (maybe I'm wrong on this
point) use of cutting has made me shy away from folding these.

Just a personal quibble.

Regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:00:06 -0500
Subject: Origami (plane) sighting

For those keeping track...

Last week's episode of "Hercules-The Legendary Journeys" (yes, I watch it.
And "Buffy-the Vampire Slayer," too.  Wanna make something of it?), the one
which deals with (of all things) the Norse gods, Loki (villain) floats a
page from the book of fate toward the heroes.  Incongruously, it is folded
into a nifty, modernish paper airplane...

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:27:47 +0000
Subject: Re: "folks from OUSA"

Michael J. Naughton <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM> sez

>and after each Annual Convention, to the point where you start looking
>like a zombie sometime around Sunday noon

Don't forget the bit about being too busy organsing to do any folding!
That's my fave....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
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RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:32:03 +0000
Subject: Re: The Origamian

Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM> sez

>   2) book form will be a bunch more expensive

Take a lesson fomr the BOS and COET - we still have 90% left because
they cost too much to post...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!
