




From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:48:47 +0000 (
Subject: Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:13:28 +0100, Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
wrote:

>why
>not rename "football" (as the rest of the world does....) what they call
>"soccer", and rename "eggball" what they call "football"..... ? ;-)

Because then you eliminate the source of much wonderful confusion and
make everyone concentrate on the world's real problems. Where would we
be then - probably will have to have a war :)
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:48:49 +0000 (
Subject: Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:09:11 +0100, Krystyna Burczyk
<burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL> wrote:

>You can find photos of these models on my origami page:
>http://www1.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/galery1.html
>This page is in Polish, but you can see on pictures instead of text.
>
>Best regards
>Wojtek Burczyk

No to kto w koncu robi to origami - Wojtek czy Krystyna? :)
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:48:50 +0000 (
Subject: Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:04:23 +0800, "Chamberlain, Clare"
<Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU> wrote:

> it is played by blokes with odd shaped
>balls

Is that a selection criterion to get on the team? :)))))
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:04:23 +0800
Subject: Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

Here is a provocatory and hopeless suggestion to our American friends: why
not rename "football" (as the rest of the world does....) what they call
"soccer", and rename "eggball" what they call "football"..... ? ;-)

The rest of the world??  In the centre of the universe (Australia), THE game
is 'footy'.  Only people with unpronounceable Greek and Italian names play
soccer, and a few others play rugby.  Footy?  It's a real man's game - no
rules, lots of blood, and little fan violence. It's a game that both unites
and divides a continent, (and yes, it is played by blokes with odd shaped
balls).





From: Chong Kwai Fun <jasmine@DLSJUBM.COM.MY>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:33:19 +0800
Subject: rose straw

i've got lots of mail from u ppl out there regarding this rose made of =
straw. I'm sorry to tell you ppl that i don't have a website. I'll be =
away for this week. I'll try to get the steps of making it drawn asap =
and hopefully i'llbe able to mail to u ppl when i'm back later.

YOU HAVE BEEN MAILED BY JASMINE CHONG





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:43:10 -0500
Subject: Re: straw whistle plus

I haven't tried this in a few years, but it used to be the case that
if you got a straw from Burger King and another from McDonalds
(in the states anyway) one would fit inside the other. (I think McD
is the larger one.) If you cut the "reed" in the smaller straw, you
can use the larger one as a "slide trombone."

You can, of course, use straws from other sources if
you can find suitable sizes.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:39:12 -0800 (
Subject: Re: NO: football FLAME

>
>Hi Doc:
>
>Too Funny! Hey it makes sense to us!!
>That's interesting.....what do you call an American Football then???

Hmm, how do I respond.

1) I suppose I could call it 'Saaaarc-er', just to annoy any Americans
out there.

2) A poor relation of Rugby, a real mans game, where you dont need to
wear all this poofter body armour.

3) Erm...I represented my college at it when I was at oxford for approx
1 game. But I never bothered with any of the armour. Funnily enough,
that games was called a 'free for all blood-bath'

Anyway, to stop this being pointless NO spam, anyone know how to fold a
nice RUGBY ball? (the shape that american footballs stole)

Yours Xenophobically,
Stephen





From: Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:47:36 -0500
Subject: Re: straw whistle plus

Hm.  It seems to me that there has been quite a lot of independent invention
of this particular trick going on.  I know *I* thought it up on my own
something over 30 years ago.  But then, I always thought of it as a "straw
oboe," since it is, after all, a double reed "instrument."

>Apropos straw whistle.
>There is a little additional fun to be had with the straw whistle.

>When you have preparted your straw and the sound is coming out all right
>with your scissors you snip of a little bit at a time,  and the tone
changes
>and the notes gets higher and higher..

On a couple of related notes :) ... you can also vary the pitch by biting
gently on the straw reeds, as well as by sliding your teeth over them;
another rather odd effect can be had by removing the clapper and end cap

Finally, it is not really necessary to slit the sides (but you've got to be
using a plastic straw); all you've got to do is to bite the thing into
shape, and you're all set to amaze and annoy those around you.

-- Jim Puccio





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:29:14 -0800
Subject: Re: NO: football FLAME

Dr. O'Hanlon wrote:

"A poor relation of Rugby, a real mans game, where you dont need to wear
all this poofter body armour."

What is poofter?

Dorothy, colonially challenged





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:26:05 -0500
Subject: ObExplanation

Dave asked about the meaning of Ob<Whatever>. I suspect
he's gotten an answer privately, but for the rest of you who
are wondering: "Ob" is short for "Obligatory." It is primarily
used when appending something to a message that is "on topic"
for the group. It's an acknowledgement that the main content
of the message is off topic.

I picked it up reading alt.folklore.urban, where the even
more cryptic form "ObUL" is used ("UL" meaning "Urban
Legend" and not "Underwriter's Lab.")

So, since this message to the origami list isn't about origami,
I'll add:

ObOrigami: Watching _The Pretender_ the other night I was
amused to see that Jarod's folding ability has decreased
dramatically since the first season. IIRC (If I recall correctly),
in one of the first episodes he had folded Icarus, but now he's
folding the traditional swan.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Dennis Brannon <dennis.brannon@DIGITAL.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:51:02 -0500
Subject: Re: straw folding...
Importance: Normal

Jan Foder wrote

>Hi Chong Kwai,
>        There is a hand craft here called "Wheat Weaving".

I just fed "Wheat Weaving" to www.lycos.com and
found some interesting sites.
Check out http://members.aol.com/wheatmagic/
and http://www-city.europeonline.com/home/jmcc/

I didn't even know this craft existed.

Thanks!
Dennis Brannon





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:23:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Straw Folding

DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

> Doris Johnson and Alec Coker;  The Complete book of Straw Craft and Corn
> Dollies.   Paperback.  Published 1987.  Amazon's price:  Three Dollars 96c
> (This is the book I mentioned in my first posting and i recommend it.)

I've been out of town so am chiming in rather late, but Straw Craft or Wheat
Weaving as it is called here, has been a  passion of mine ever since I first saw
and aquired some traditional dollies at a craft show years ago. .  So for those
who are interested, I just wanted to add the following info - The book David
mentions above is a Dover Book, ISBN 0-486-25249-3.  It is priced in Dover's
     most
recent catalog at $4.95.  I. too, would recommend it.





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:48:51 -0600
Subject: Re: ObExplanation

Lisa Hodsdon wrote:

> Dave asked about the meaning of Ob<Whatever>. I suspect
> he's gotten an answer privately, but for the rest of you who
> are wondering: "Ob" is short for "Obligatory." It is primarily
> used when appending something to a message that is "on topic"
> for the group. It's an acknowledgement that the main content
> of the message is off topic.

And now to get completley off topic.  The use of Ob acyually goes back
Great Explosion"  It deals with the after math off the discovery of a
cheap efiecient way to travel to the stars.  In it the remnants of
society have put themselves together and go out to see how the
children of earth have done.  It is fairly comical and predictable
untll they reach the last planet thier ship is ever going to reach.
This one was the kicker, it was peopled by agresive pacifists.  People
who if they decide against doing something just walk off, there is no
money, no barter, but they do accept, Ob's.  As earler stated stated
it does come out to be an abreviation, but a big part of the language
of these folks was inital slang.  My favorite was thier ultimatame
weapon F-IW (freedom, I won't), an entire planet full of followers of
Gahndi, right down to being willing to starve before giving in.  Good
book, and one that did impact on the world, as seen here on the
internet, even if it was started by a bunch of nerdy guys who liked
science fiction

Perry  (I promise not to go off topic again for a while)

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Black Eagle <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:53:59 -0600
Subject: Re: NO: football FLAME

> >
> >Hi Doc:
> >
> >Too Funny! Hey it makes sense to us!!
> >That's interesting.....what do you call an American Football then???

Okay!  I can't stand this anymore.  In Germany, they call it
Fussball, which, spelled slightly differently, is an entirely
different game.  Now what?

Black Eagle
Ask ab. Poly Ft Worth (TX) Pot Lucks
Ask for my PGP public key
bus web site: http://www.desertsilver.com
Use the H.A.M.R. at http://www.hamr.com





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:27:04 +0100
Subject: Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

I think, violence is present, in soccer and in football.
( truncated icosahedron ball and eggball )

It is very intersting that someone got the idea, to use that nice forms
to kick.

Torsten





From: Krystyna Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:55:00 +0100
Subject: Odp:      Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

-----Wiadomo orginalna-----
Od: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Do: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Data: 16 listopada 1998 09:56
Temat: Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:09:11 +0100, Krystyna Burczyk
<burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL> wrote:

>You can find photos of these models on my origami page:
>http://www1.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/galery1.html
>This page is in Polish, but you can see on pictures instead of text.
>
>Best regards
>Wojtek Burczyk

No to kto w koncu robi to origami - Wojtek czy Krystyna? :)
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA
-------

The models are mine,
Wojtek is also mine (husband).

Krystyna





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:59:06 +0100
Subject: Re: Odp:      Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

Krystyna,
At 22.55 16/11/1998 +0100, you wrote:

>The models are mine,
>Wojtek is also mine (husband).

Ehm.... and you fold ALL of them ?? :-)

Roberto





From: Krystyna Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:53:02 +0100
Subject: Re: Modular Soccer Ball Question

Try this link:
http://www1.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/football.htm

It's something for both side of discussion, I hope :)

Wojtek





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:13:33 -0500
Subject: Littleton, MA, USA Origami Group Meets 24 November 1998

Hi,

Just a reminder that the Littleton Origami Group meets the last Tuesday of the
month.
This month, we have the "small room" downstairs reserved. It's to the left of
the elevator with a glass front.

Hope to see you there.

Kristine Tomlinson

When: Tuesday,  24 November 1998, 7:00 - 9:00.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.  This
intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic lights.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A West)
toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 119
    West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is
    a right hand fork -- this is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other entrance
to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite
Badger Funeral home. The sign says Town Offices.

There's parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:11:50 -0800
Subject: Dollar Bill Stag

Does anyone know where Fred Rohm's dollar bill stag was originally
published?

Thanks!
Dorothy





From: Glenda Scott <gdscott@OWT.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:56:06 -0700
Subject: dividers for triangular boxes

"I've always depended on the kindess of strangers..."

I know I saw dividers for a triangular shaped box, but can't recall where.
Have you seen these diagrams?

Many thanks to Rob Moes for his information on pentagonal boxes.  You
answered more than one person's inquiry with your generosity.

Glenda Scott





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:54:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Stag

Hi Kenny!

Yes, my first introduction to Fred Rohm's dollar bill stag was also
Alice Gray's "The Origamian", which was the predecessor of OrigamiUSA's
"The Paper".

The diagrams in "The Origamian" looked like they were copied from
another publication.

I'll pass the buck to another folder:  can anyone cite the original
source of Fred Rohm's diagrams for his dollar bill stag?

Thanks!
Dorothy





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:29:02 -0800
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

At 16:53 98/11/18 -0500, you wrote:
>I recently tried folding Fumiaki Kawahata's Stegosaurus model
>from Origami Fantasy (great book!).  I started folding it using
>brown kraft wrapping paper, but found it too thick and springy
>for this model.
>
>I was wondering if someone could tell me the kind of paper
>and what square size would be best for this model.

Wet fold for best effect, and start LARGE!

>On the book cover of Origami Fantasy, it looks like Kawahata
>used some kind of textured foil paper..  never seen this stuff before..
>Any idea as to where this kind of paper/foil can be found?

It's not foil. It's a leather textured paper that's much like Wyndstone
marble (or elephant hide) in consistency and foldability. I have some,
bought in Japan, and I don't know where to get it outside of Japan. If I
remember correctly, I bought it at Itoya in Tokyo.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Gerard Blais <Gerard.Blais.gblais@NT.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:32:19 -0500
Subject: annual gift - LATE

Is it too late to send the butterflies for the
origami USA annual gift?  I have folded a few but
just now realized they had to be in before nov 13.
I should have read the date on the letter better! :-(

Gerard





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:40:55 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Stag

Aloha Dorothy,

Sorry, no, I don't know where this was first published.

I think I first saw Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag in a
back issue of the Origamian.  Unfortunately,
I've lost my collection of pre-1985 Origamians,
so I don't know which issue.

I just looked in Adolfo Cerceda's "Folding Money",
and Samuel Randlett's "Folding Money, Volume Two",
and it doesn't seem to be in there.

Maybe OrigamiUSA knows?

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Gerard Blais <Gerard.Blais.gblais@NT.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:53:01 -0500
Subject: Kawahata's stegosaurus

I recently tried folding Fumiaki Kawahata's Stegosaurus model
from Origami Fantasy (great book!).  I started folding it using
brown kraft wrapping paper, but found it too thick and springy
for this model.

I was wondering if someone could tell me the kind of paper
and what square size would be best for this model.

I saw the one folded by Eric Andersen on his web page at
http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/
(Really nice work by the way!)  It sort of looks like regular
kami, but I'm not sure.

On the book cover of Origami Fantasy, it looks like Kawahata
used some kind of textured foil paper..  never seen this stuff before..
Any idea as to where this kind of paper/foil can be found?

Gerard
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Origami-Montreal: http://www.ecn.ulaval.ca/~pgon/origami/origami.html





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:03:15 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Stag (2nd response)

In a message dated 98-11-18 06:14:00 EST, you write:

> Does anyone know where Fred Rohm's dollar bill stag was originally
>  published?

Aloha Dorothy,

I did some more digging.

In OrigamiUSA's "Making More With Money",
the diagrams for the stag are labelled
"copyright 1969", and "Diagrammed by Alice Gray, 1969",
so I'd look thru the Origamian for 1969-1970.
I'd bet it was published in the Origamian before
being published in any book. And "Making More
With Money" may be its first book publication.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:07:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Stag

Kenny1414@AOL.COM indited:
> Sorry, no, I don't know where this was first published.

Nor do I.  Searching the Origami USA database found:

Stag by Fred Rohm (High Intermediate, uses w/b base)
Making More with Money by May Leo page 81
Paper used is 3x7 $

Stag $ by Fred Rohm (High Intermediate, uses waterbomb base)
1992 by T. Cheng et al page 161
Paper used is 3x7

I think it might also appear in The Flapping Bird, but my copy is at home.
Maybe that was even the first place it appeared, but I don't know enough about
the history of the early origamian and the original flapping bird
publications.

-Daddy-o "Use the Web, Luke" D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:24:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Copyrights

Krystyna Burczyk wrote:

> 1. Though we are living in Poland we can pay for any book we want to read.
> Even Valerie's book, if she will write any. ;)

Oooooh, maybe that's why Valerie signed off!  Hmmm..... (No, I don't know
anything, just idle speculation).

> 2. The problem is not in money. Perhaps it is suprising for Valerie, but
> there are some people not reading English. How can you appeal them to buy
> English book? In our opinion the best way is to show them that language
> is not a barrier (at least in origami).

I don't think Valerie was talking about just English books, but I may have
forgotten the previous messages.  The only "foreign" language I read is
origami diagrams (preferably the Yoshizawa/Randlett dialect or its improved
descendants).  Indeed, language is not a barrier, though in any book with
explanitory text....  Several Japanese origami books, and the ORU magazine,
appear to me (someone who cannot read Japanese) to contain extensive
discourses on the subtleties, joys, anguishes, heart, mind, and soul of
origami.  Being unable to read that is my loss, agreed, but being able to read
the diagrams, that is my gain!

> 3. Valerie, your pages on modular origami are great. Thanks.

Agreed!

-D'gou





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:47:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Stag

-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by Origami List

"I think I first saw Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag in a
back issue of the Origamian.  Unfortunately,
I've lost my collection of pre-1985 Origamians,
so I don't know which issue."

-------------------- End Original Message --------------------

        It's Vol. 9, Issue 1 (Spring 1969), with the cover article on
Herman Shall.

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__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

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                 Fossil Preparation Lab
          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
                 Phone:  (505) 899-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2866
               102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:16:52 -0500
Subject: Re: dividers for triangular boxes

>"I've always depended on the kindess of strangers..."
>
>I know I saw dividers for a triangular shaped box, but can't recall where.
>Have you seen these diagrams?
>
>Many thanks to Rob Moes for his information on pentagonal boxes.  You
>answered more than one person's inquiry with your generosity.

Indeed!  One of the best things about this list is "ask and ye shall
receive."  I've gotten my share of favors, so I certainly don't mind
sharing with others.

You need to find Tomoko Fuse's Japanese "Book 2" ISBN 4-480-87142-X.  I
believe it's available through OrigamiUSA for $25.  It has her unique
oblong octagonal boxes on the cover.

The inserts were designed by Francis Ow.  I'm not sure if they are
published elsewhere.  He also designed the rhombus inserts & pentagonal
inserts for her hexagonal boxes.  These are practically must-haves for Fuse
fans.  Get this book!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:53:16 +0000
Subject: Holiday Tree Ornaments
Priority: normal

Any of you who have some models or some time to fold them quickly, I was
contacted with the following request.

>Return-Path: <MMKegs@aol.com>
>From: MMKegs@aol.com

>       For our "Holiday Open House" at the Memorial Art Gallery of the
     University of
>Rochester,( New York)  we are committed to decorating a Christmas tree entirely
>in origami.  While it is a concept that delighted all ..the tree must be up by
>December 7th and our attempt to enlist local school children to help make
>origami has failed.  The tree is fourteen feet high and we are trying to find
a >solution to our dilemma.  Do you have any suggestions as to how we might find
>some help within your organization?  I would very much appreciate your
>suggestions.  Thank you very much for your assistance in this matter.   Mary

Please contact Mary to find out the mailing address as she omitted it in her
request. Our L.I.F.E. group will be donating all our extra models (we decorate
our tree on Monday.) Perhaps other groups and individuals can help out too.
OUSA plans to send some of their extra models.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:49:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Gerard Blais wrote:

> I saw the one folded by Eric Andersen on his web page at
> http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami/fantasy/
> (Really nice work by the way!)  It sort of looks like regular
> kami, but I'm not sure.

Thanks, Gerard! Yes, that's plain kami, 48 inches to a side. Joseph Wu
said it - use big paper for this model, and wet-folding if necessary.
I bought the 48-inch kami in the RISD bookstore, a large art supply store
in Providence.

-Eric :-P
origami@netspace.org

/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
\   Eric Andersen                                       /
/    Mathematics and Music          ~  ~ __o            \
\     ema@netspace.org            ~  ~ _-\<'_           /
/      Music@brown.edu         ~    ~ (_)/ (_)          \
\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/
        *** http://www.netspace.org/~ema/ ***





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:13:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Gerard Blais wrote:

> I recently tried folding Fumiaki Kawahata's Stegosaurus model
> from Origami Fantasy (great book!).  I started folding it using
> brown kraft wrapping paper, but found it too thick and springy
> for this model.

Eric has mentioned 48" kami--round my parts, that's a little hard to come
by :).  It's easier to find kami in 13.75", readily available from places
like fascinating folds and kimscrane.  The model is perfectly doable from
that size (I confess to getting a little stuck when adding the "curve"),
but best results would probably come from wet-folding (which would prolly
take an obscene amount of time).





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:57:25 +0100
Subject: Treemaker

Hi !!!

            I would like to know who of you are using Treemaker. I am trying
idea on how it works I can't tell if it is working properly. If anyone has a
sample file ( a Treemaker file) that I could use to open it and see if it
works, it'd be great.

                    cheers,

                                    Ariel





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:47:34 +1100
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Eric Andersen wrote:

> Thanks, Gerard! Yes, that's plain kami, 48 inches to a side. Joseph Wu
> said it - use big paper for this model, and wet-folding if necessary.
> I bought the 48-inch kami in the RISD bookstore, a large art supply store
> in Providence.
>

48 inches! Does it fold to be lifesize!? Man, I always thought if they
said to start big, my 15 inch square was overly-catious ;}. All this time
I have been bent over a square of paper, tongue firmly jammed in the
corner of my mouth as I mentally curse my fingers for being too big, when
all I really needed was this "Paul Bunyan" paper.

This calls for a major overhaul in my origami preconceptions. Suddenly, in
my mind's eye, I am picturing origami for furniture. An apatosaurus coffee
table, Tuojiangosaurus shoe-rack.......

Regards, from an enlightened one
Michael Janssen-Gibson





Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:11:03 -0200
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Subject:      Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

Hi Gerard,

I folded mine using 10" monocolor kami. Compared with ordinary kami,
monocolor is thinner and more suited to complex models; besides,
apparently the ink is absorbed by the paper, instead of creating a
colored "skin" (easily chipped off leaving unsightly white spots
when doing sharp points in plain kami).

I folded KAWAHATA-san's Tuoji*rus in plain single-face 10" kami;
light colors like melon green are less subject to chipping off.

In both cases I folded dry, then damped and shaped the models 3D.

        Sincerely yours,
                Carlos A. Furuti
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:35:27 CST
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Subject:      Getting 2x2x2 cubes (fwd)

Forwarded message:
> If anyone is interested in getting 2x2x2 cubes, during my holiday in the
> UK two weeks ago I found a shop in Sheffield which has them in stock.
> It's called "The Puzzle Shop" and in situated in Meadowhall shopping
> centre. The cubes are GBP 5 each, and they have a few other things like
> keyring 3x3x3s etc.
>
> Michael

 I don't remember if this has been said but here in the States we can get
 3x3x3 and 2x2x2 cubes at the drug store known as Walgreens.  I suspect they
 are cheap imitations of the Rubik's named cubes.  I don't work for
 Walgreens.

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:25:04 +0100
From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Subject:      Re: NO: football FLAME

Stephen,
At 09.13 18/11/1998 PST, you wrote:

>>Dorothy, colonially challenged
>
>As in you have had some of your colon removed? Interesting for me - Im
>working for a Colonorectal surgeon for the next 3 months.

I think she made a mistake in punctuation. It should have been

>>>Dorothy; colonially challenged

Do you see the semi-colon, now ? :-)))

Roberto






From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:03:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

At 04:29 PM 11/18/1998 -0800, you wrote:
>At 16:53 98/11/18 -0500, you wrote:
>>I recently tried folding Fumiaki Kawahata's Stegosaurus model
>>from Origami Fantasy (great book!).  I started folding it using
>>brown kraft wrapping paper, but found it too thick and springy
>>for this model.
>>
>>I was wondering if someone could tell me the kind of paper
>>and what square size would be best for this model.
>
>Wet fold for best effect, and start LARGE!

I wet-folded this model from a 13" square of elephant-hide, if I recall
     correctly. The results can be seen here, courtesy of Mark Morden:

http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/pcoc/marco_dino.jpg

The finished model was about 7-8" in length.

>>On the book cover of Origami Fantasy, it looks like Kawahata
>>used some kind of textured foil paper..  never seen this stuff before..
>>Any idea as to where this kind of paper/foil can be found?
>
>It's not foil. It's a leather textured paper that's much like Wyndstone
>marble (or elephant hide) in consistency and foldability. I have some,
>bought in Japan, and I don't know where to get it outside of Japan. If I
>remember correctly, I bought it at Itoya in Tokyo.

Fascinating folds carries a paper called "Crushed Leather", that looks
     remarkably similar to the paper in the photos (I think the T-Rex on the
     front cover is also folded from the same type of paper as the steg.). I
     tried folding from this paper and didn't
 like it nearly as much as Elephant Hide. It seems to have a lot of body, but
     it doesn't hold its shape as well when dry. Maybe it's not the same. The
     stuff F.F. has IS made in Taiwan, though. Hmmm.

Well, Kawahata is a better folder than I...

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:10:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving models?

Doug Philips inquired:

"For those of us celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday (not every in the
US does, and not everyone who does is in the US), have you any favorite
models?"

Any model with a squash fold.

Dorothy





From: TesaFord@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:50:05 -0500 (
Subject: Boxes

I finally visited Doug Phillips' website.  Very nice.

In the new gallery he has a couple of boxes I am interested in.  Could you
tell me where to find the diagrams for the Six Sided Box by Fuse?? and the
Lotus Box by V'Ann Cornelius? Which books are they in, and where can I
purchase them?  Thanks in advance for your help.

~ Teresa Ford





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:52:34 -0500
Subject: Thanksgiving models?

For those of us celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday (not every in the US
does, and not everyone who does is in the US), have you any favorite models?
I'll start with my pitifully short list:

        Turkey, by Fred Rohm, in Randlett's Best of Origami

I know that there are some Indian models, and probably some human figures that
could be tweaked to be "Pilgrims" but I haven't folded them to know if they
are "good" models.

If there are any worthwhile other models, I can start up a web page for this
too.

-D'gou





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:41:43 +0100
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Gerard Blais wrote:
> I was wondering if someone could tell me the kind of paper
> and what square size would be best for this model.

I made one from really thin Kraft paper, laminated on foil. But even
though the Kraft paper was very thin, it damaged the foil when folded.
(For those of you who were at Wuerzburg, this is the stuff we made the
mushrooms from). For a new model, I'd use thin mulberry paper, preferably
painted with paste colour. (This makes the paper sturdier, but not sturdy
enough to harm the foil.) Favourite size? Mine was from 40cm square, and
it was big enough for me -- although I have to admit that I have a faible
for big models.

> On the book cover of Origami Fantasy, it looks like Kawahata
> used some kind of textured foil paper..  never seen this stuff before..
> Any idea as to where this kind of paper/foil can be found?

This is a sturdy, embossed leather-like paper; I've seen it at copy shops
to be used as book covers, but (unfortunately) not bigger than A4. I
remember that there were some messages about "leatherette" in the past;
perhaps that's how it is called?

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:53:10 -0600 (
Subject: Re: Getting 2x2x2 cubes

 this is strange, I subscribe to both the origami mailing list and
 the Rubik's Cube mailing list.  Why is this on the *origami* mailing
 list?  How did this thread start?  This should be on the Rubik's Cube
 mailing list...  (confused person here)
==========================================================================
>
> > If anyone is interested in getting 2x2x2 cubes, during my holiday in the
> > UK two weeks ago I found a shop in Sheffield which has them in stock.
> > It's called "The Puzzle Shop" and in situated in Meadowhall shopping
> > centre. The cubes are GBP 5 each, and they have a few other things like
> > keyring 3x3x3s etc.
>
> I found the same (2x2x2 cube) in a shop in Nottingham last September
> when I visited the BOS convention.
> So I now have the whole range from 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5. That
> last one I got in a puzzle shop in here in Groningen (price 50 DFL,
> about 25 US$).
>
> --
> Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl
>
>
>

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:21:05 -0800
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag

Many thanks to Kenny Kawamura, Jerry Harris, David Lister and Doug
Philips for responding to my query about Fred Rohm's dollar bill Stag.

Your information has been invaluable to me as I compile the end-credits
for my television show, Folding California. (Several of Fred's wonderful
models will be represented in Folding California, including his
magnificent dollar bill Stag).

David Lister commented that Alice Gray's diagramming remains very much
under-appreciated. I heartily concur.

Diagrams bearing Alice's understated "A" and "G" signature were models
of clarity and precision. Her contribution to the art of origami
diagramming was notable.

Dorothy





From: David <tamagotchi@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:08:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Boxes

Could you post the URL for Doug Phillip's website.  I must have missed it the
first time.  Thanks!

~ David Harter

TesaFord@AOL.COM wrote:

> I finally visited Doug Phillips' website.  Very nice.
>
> In the new gallery he has a couple of boxes I am interested in.  Could you
> tell me where to find the diagrams for the Six Sided Box by Fuse?? and the
> Lotus Box by V'Ann Cornelius? Which books are they in, and where can I
> purchase them?  Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> ~ Teresa Ford





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:12:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Boxes

> Could you post the URL for Doug Phillip's website.  I must have missed it the
> first time.  Thanks!

http://www.pgh.net/~dwp is my main page.
http://www.pgh.net/~dwp/origami/Origami.html is the origami page

-D'gou





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:52:21 -0500 (
Subject: Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag.

Many thanks to Jerry Harris for finding Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag among the
many issues of The Origamian. As he says, it appears in Volume 9, issue 1 for
Spring 1969. This issue profiles Herman Shall, (Father of Donald, Michael and
David).

A little more information may, however, be helpful to those who do not have
ready access to the copies of The Origamian. In addition to the profile of
Herman Shall, the issue contains an article by Fred Rohm titled "Folders'
Fodder - On Money Folds". In previous issues of The Origamian, Fred had a
regular column headed "Folders' Fodder" and they included some very pertinent
comments on all manner of aspects of folding. Perhaps they should be collected
together, for Fred was one of the wisest commenatators on all aspects of
paperfolding.

In his article Fred mentions Robert Harbin's "Paper magic", Adolfo Cerceda's
"Folding Money no.1" and also "Folding Money no 2", which he points out
contains a number of bill folds by  Fred's friendly rival, Neal Elias. Fred
goes on to mention the alphabet folding of Victor Frenkill and the money bow-
ties of Max Katz. He also mentions that Herman Shall was was very foknd of
Bill Folds and  made a speciality of Fred's own "Jack in the Box", which Fred
had modified so that it could be made from a dollar bill, instead of a square.

Fred goes on to  write about his Dollar Bill Stag, which is such a prominent
feature of this issue of the Origamian, (taking up two and a half pages). I
think it is worth quoting:

"Now is the time to tell you about the fold I devised especially to accompany
this article. I cast about for a subject so proportioned that it could make
use of the whole bill, without underfolding. The long neck of the camel or a
giraffe appeared to be promising, and I decided upon the camel. I developed
two versions, one--humped and two-humped. (I prefer the one with two humps.)
But before I had completed the camel I foresaw the method by which I could
achieve a goal much cherished and long worked-upon, a no-cut antlered stag. So
eager was I to start working out the stag design that I had to discipline
myself to finishe the camel first.

"The stag turned out so well that it far surassed the camel. In my opinion, it
is my best fold to date. It proved so popular that I folded fifty stags (stage
money, of course) for distribution at the Origami Convention in November,
1967. I taught the group how to fold both the stag and the camel, and I
believe that most of those present can now fold the models from memory.

"Alice Gray, who learned the stag on that occasion, has diagrammed the folding
thoroughly, and any experienced folder should be able to follow her
directions.

"So - never again let it be said that I don't include folding instructions. I
have done it - once."      Fred   Rohm.

This is particularly valuable, because it not only gives an account of the
genesis of one of Fred's models, but it also gives an insight into his
approach to paperfolding and his way of working. It happens too, to be one of
his greatest models - a superlative tour de force. And we now know that Fred
devised the model especially to accompany his article on Money Folds in the
Origamian and that (although she doesn't sign or initial the diagrams), the
diagrams were drawn by Alice Gray. Alice's skills in diagramming remain very
much under-appreciated, largely because, although she was the editor, she drew
diagrams for many issues of The Origamian anonymously.

We must thank Dorothy Engleman for asking about this model and for helping to
throw an unexpected light on Fred Rohm and Alice Gray, two of the giants of
our origami heritage.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:05:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag.

David Lister's article on Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag reminded me that I had
in fact checked my copy of The Flapping Bird last night and found that the
Fred Rohm Stag in that publication was not from a dollar bill, and that it
involved cutting to form the antlers.  That Stag model looks OK (though I have
not folded it yet), but does not nearly get the effect from the cuts that his
Halloween Cat does.  I often wondered about the cut Stag model, and it seems
from Fred's own words, as quoted by David Lister, that he was also not happy
with the Stag as well.

Fred's comments, as quoted by David Lister:
> But before I had completed the camel I foresaw the method by which I could
> achieve a goal much cherished and long worked-upon, a no-cut antlered stag. So
> eager was I to start working out the stag design that I had to discipline
> myself to finishe the camel first.

Thank you David, I enjoyed that message.

-D'gou





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:43:15 +0100
Subject: Re: Getting 2x2x2 cubes

> If anyone is interested in getting 2x2x2 cubes, during my holiday in the
> UK two weeks ago I found a shop in Sheffield which has them in stock.
> It's called "The Puzzle Shop" and in situated in Meadowhall shopping
> centre. The cubes are GBP 5 each, and they have a few other things like
> keyring 3x3x3s etc.

I found the same (2x2x2 cube) in a shop in Nottingham last September
when I visited the BOS convention.
So I now have the whole range from 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5. That
last one I got in a puzzle shop in here in Groningen (price 50 DFL,
about 25 US$).

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:00:37 -0500
Subject: Re: dividers for triangular boxes

I must have deleted the original request, so I don't know who to
'Dear.....,'

I have leisurely scanned through my Fuse box books (always a pleasure)...
and found triangular dividers in the following:

    ISBN 4-14-031068-5  I haven't a clue to the title, I believe I got it
from the Source (OUSA), although I'm failing to find it in the current copy
of their offerings. It's a hard backed book, and the boxes are categorized
by shape, the dividers are in Part 2. The cover shows 5 boxes, 3 have
vertical type fanning on the lids, one has the in and out 'sculptural' type
lids that I've only ever seen in this book, and the last is a six sided
spiral type thing.

    ISBN 4-480-87203-5  The Source titles this one Boxes in One Piece, most
of these are folded from largish rectangles, one sheet for box, one for lid.

    Both Fabulous Origami Boxes and Joyful Origami Boxes (thankfully in
English) have nesting versions of triangular boxes that you could most
likely size to fit as dividers.

Thanks for giving me the excuse to review these great books. Hope you find
something that will fill your need.

-e.





From: joan appel <joragami@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:21:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag

The recent e-mail re:Fred Rohm' Stag and Alice Gray' diagrams inspired
me to look through my issues of The Origamian---what an era of
innovation they encompass and how exciting it was to be a part of it. As
for Alice, I have never known a more knowledgeable, generous and gentle
woman.
Enough of the nostalgia and down to origami bussiness.  I was surprised
that in the exhaustive discussion of soccer balls nobody mentioned David
Shall's version which he presented (and if I remember correctly, taught
at the 1982 FOCA convention. it is made from a square divided in thirds
one way and in sixths the other yeilding six modules (3x2). The
dodecahedron (inverted soccer ball) requires 30 modules and also make a
stunning Xmas ornament. Ninrty of the same module produce a truncated
icosohedron. At the end of his excellent diagrams he notes...."This
(icosohedron) is the same as...Robert Neale'sNo More After
This",although the modoles are quite different".





From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@BCPL.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:11:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Holiday Tree Ornaments

Since I've not seen an address posted yet perhaps this might help.
The 1998 Official Museum Directory gives the following information

Memorial Art Gallery of the University of Rochester
500 University Ave.
Rochester, NY 14607
I suppose anything sent should be marked something to the effect of
"Attention-For Holiday Tree"
Tel:716-473-7720

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Rachel Katz wrote:

> Any of you who have some models or some time to fold them quickly, I was
> contacted with the following request.
>
> >Return-Path: <MMKegs@aol.com>
> >From: MMKegs@aol.com
>
> >       For our "Holiday Open House" at the Memorial Art Gallery of the
     University of
> >Rochester,( New York)  we are committed to decorating a Christmas tree
     entirely
> >in origami.  While it is a concept that delighted all ..the tree must be up
     by
> >December 7th and our attempt to enlist local school children to help make
> >origami has failed.  The tree is fourteen feet high and we are trying to find
> a >solution to our dilemma.  Do you have any suggestions as to how we might
     find
> >some help within your organization?  I would very much appreciate your
> >suggestions.  Thank you very much for your assistance in this matter.   Mary
>
> Please contact Mary to find out the mailing address as she omitted it in her
> request. Our L.I.F.E. group will be donating all our extra models (we decorate
> our tree on Monday.) Perhaps other groups and individuals can help out too.
> OUSA plans to send some of their extra models.
>
>
> Rachel Katz
> Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:21:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Christmas stable and figures

Orazio Puglisi wrote:
> Mirajm asked:
> >tree with origami-models, and that is a nice idea. But now I wonder wether
> >there are models available for a christmas stable with figures, a Joseph,
> >Mary, little Jesus, shepherd, sheep, kings and so on. I guess it will not be
...
> >Does anybody know this?

> There is a book by an italian folder, Luigi Leonardi,  " Presepe e Babbo
> Natale in origami", which contains what you are looking for.
> It is edited, as far as I remember, by " Il Castello".

Harbin's "Secrets of Origami" has a creche scene by Ligia Montoya.  Here is
the cut'n'paste from a model search on the Origami USA web site:
http://www.origami-usa.org/
NOTE:  Not all the paper used starts as a square! ;-)

Since that book has been recently reprinted by Dover, and has been in stores
for a while, it shouldn't be too hard to locate.

-D'gou

Creche: Angel by Ligia Montoya (Intermediate, uses waterbomb base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 132
Paper used is 11.5x15 cm

Creche: Crib by Ligia Montoya (Moderate, uses cupboard base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 136
Paper used is 6x8cm

Creche: Goose by Ligia Montoya (Moderate, uses fish base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 142
Paper used is sw (5cm)

Creche: Infant by Ligia Montoya (Intermediate, uses waterbomb base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 142
Paper used is 5x8 cm

Creche: Mary by Ligia Montoya (Intermediate, uses watebomb base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 130
Paper used is 11x19.5 cm

Creche: Sheep by Ligia Montoya (Intermediate, uses frog base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 140
Paper used is sq(9cm)

Creche: Shepherd with Crook by Ligia Montoya (Intermediate, uses waterbomb
base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 138
Paper used is 11x18cm

Creche: Woman by Ligia Montoya (Intermediate, uses waterbomb base)
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 134
Paper used is 11.5x15.5 cm





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:35:45 -0800
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag

Joan Appel wrote about Alice Gray:

"As for Alice, I have never known a more knowledgeable, generous and
gentle woman."

Greetings, Joan.  I'm delighted my query has inspired a secondary
discussion of Alice Gray - and your emergence on list!

In honor of Alice, I think I'll bug OrigamiUSA to publish a complete set
of "The Origamian" in book form.

Dorothy





From: Black Eagle <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:36:07 -0600
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag.

> David Lister's article on Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag reminded me
> that I had in fact checked my copy of The Flapping Bird last night
> and found that the Fred Rohm Stag in that publication was not from a
> dollar bill, and that it involved cutting to form the antlers.  That
> Stag model looks OK (though I have not folded it yet), but does not
> nearly get the effect from the cuts that his Halloween Cat does.  I
> often wondered about the cut Stag model, and it seems from Fred's
> own words, as quoted by David Lister, that he was also not happy
> with the Stag as well.

Not only does it look good, but with a fairly stiff paper, it looks
fantastic!  I had one as a show-piece in my office for over three
years.  I always got comments on it.

Black Eagle
Ask ab. Poly Ft Worth (TX) Pot Lucks
Ask for my PGP public key
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Use the H.A.M.R. at http://www.hamr.com





From: Gerard Blais <Gerard.Blais.gblais@NT.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:28:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Kawahata's stegosaurus

Thanks to all who responded!  I'll try
to find a different kind of paper to do this.
Large paper.. :-)

Joseph Wu wrote:
>Wet fold for best effect, and start LARGE!

Eric Andersen wrote:
>I bought the 48-inch kami in the RISD bookstore, a large art supply store
>in Providence.

Wow!  I didn't know it came in such large size!  If I
ever come accross it, I'll make sure to buy a couple
sheets!  :-)

> Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
>In both cases I folded dry, then damped and shaped the models 3D.

I think I'll try this with my model.  I'm at the point
where I fold the legs, but the model opens up too much.
Maybe with a bit of water, the paper will be more
easily shaped.

Thanks again,

Gerard
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Origami-Montreal: http://www.ecn.ulaval.ca/~pgon/origami/origami.html





From: Katharina Grif <Katharina.Grif@UIBK.AC.AT>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:38:22 +0100
Subject: Re: dividers for triangular boxes

I think i saw boxes dividers on fabric origami page. There are some
diagrams of T.Fuse's boxes and dividers. But i am not sure if it was
for triangle boxes or only for square boxes,sorey :)

kate





From: Gabriel <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:43:35 -0800
Subject: Sasuga

Hi list,

I tried to contact Sasuga Bookstore via e-mail to the address in the web
page, to check availabily of some books before placing the order.

I did it twice and never receive an answer.

Do you know which would be the best way to contact them?

I wouldnt like to send and order and then wait without any feedback to see
if a book arrives, or if my credit card is charged.

I would appreciate a lot any help.

Thanks,
Regards,
Gabriel.





From: Chris Hotz <christian.hotz@SSGEUROPE.IE>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:52:00 -0500
Subject: found: Christmas stable and figures

     Hi all

     This is my first posting to the list, and brief it will be as it is
     Friday and I'm running home from work to fold  giant flying pigs for
     Xmas-pressies, but here's a diagram url for shepherds/kings and the
     like:
                http://www.accessin.com.au/~paris/origami/origami.htm
     Regards
             Chris





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:25:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Stag

Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> Joan Appel wrote about Alice Gray:
>
> "As for Alice, I have never known a more knowledgeable, generous and
> gentle woman."
>
> Greetings, Joan.  I'm delighted my query has inspired a secondary
> discussion of Alice Gray - and your emergence on list!
>
> In honor of Alice, I think I'll bug OrigamiUSA to publish a complete set
> of "The Origamian" in book form.
>
> Dorothy

If you folks from OUSA are listening, I also think this would be a good
idea, if you can keep the cost under $20.00 I would buy it!

Perry

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From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:08:14 +0200
Subject: Leatherette

On 19-Nov-98, Sebastian Marius Kirsch (skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE) wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Gerard Blais wrote:

>> On the book cover of Origami Fantasy, it looks like Kawahata
>> used some kind of textured foil paper..  never seen this stuff before..
>> Any idea as to where this kind of paper/foil can be found?

>This is a sturdy, embossed leather-like paper; I've seen it at copy shops
>to be used as book covers, but (unfortunately) not bigger than A4. I
>remember that there were some messages about "leatherette" in the past;
>perhaps that's how it is called?

I have both good news and bad news. Bad news first.

I don't know at all whether I'm talking about the same paper as you
are.  The paper I have feels like coated wallpaper and really needs to
be wet-folded.  There's a picture of Engel's Alligator folded from
this on http://www.origami.net/homes/sweeden/meeting/gallery1.htm and
another on http://www.sci.fi/~tenu/som.html but neither of pictures
shows the paper well enough to be identified.  I'll try to convince
Dino to photo a close-up of the alligator.

And then the good news.  If this is the paper you are talking about
(actually, even if it isn't :) I can get it "as much I want" as the
lady in the local craft-shop told me.  Sheets are near B1 size, about
70x100cm (28x40") and if I recall correctly cost 3$/four sheets.

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