




From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:20:24 -0800
Subject: Re: NO: Dragons

At 10:45 1998/11/03 +0000, you wrote:
>> For a good source of dragon lore, conveniently packaged into story
>> form, check out Anne McCaffrey's "A Diversity of Dragons" (ISBN
006105531X).
>
>Thanks for the tip. I will look out for this book :)

Actually, I should have said a good SUMMARY, not a good SOURCE.

>> There are, of course, many other good sources of dragon lore, but all of my
>> good books are at home. (Yes, I like to do a lot of research on the
subjects
>> of the models I design.
>
>I'm sure all us Dragon lovers would like to know about the books you have.

Here they are:

Shuker, Dr. Karl, "Dragons: A Natural History", ISBN 1-55144-094-6
  (Foreward by Dr. Desmond Morris)
  The best bibliography and an excellent source (written by a biologist).

Mackenzie, Donald A., "China and Japan", ISBN 1-85958-013-0
  (Part of Senate's "Myths and Legends" series)
  Info on Chinese (and Japanese) dragons.

Sant, Montse, "The Book of the Dragon", ISBN 1-85028-214-5
  Nice pictures, but the author makes up a lot of stuff about dragons in the
text.

Dickinson, Peter, "The Flight of Dragons", ISBN 0-06-011074-0
  The author puts forth a coherent theory on how dragons could have really
  existed in our world. Fun stuff, and very rigorous!

Nye, Jody Lynn, "The Dragonlover's Guide to Pern", ISBN 0-345-37946-2
  (with Anne McCaffrey)
  Overview of the world of Pern, with details on McCaffrey's dragons.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:21:00 -0600
Subject: Re: two book enquiries (long)

Michael Gibson asked about Tomoko Fuse's The Mask:

>. . .How many  masks would be included in this book,
35
>and what range of difficulty would you give it?
high intermediate

I received my copy about a week ago, and I am quite pleased with it. The
designs in the book are detailed, three-dimnensional, and have great
sculptural possibilities when wet folded. The masks have a grotesque
beauty that I think will be particularly appreciated by the non-origamist
viewer.

The diagrams are numerous and detailed. One problem is that they are
rather small, and in some cases it takes a good hard look at the next few
steps and the finished mask to determine exactly how many layers of what
goes where, and whether you are making something three-dimensional or
flat. The book, therefore is best for a somewhat experienced folder.
Conversely, Fuse is remarkably good at breaking down the folding process
into simple, logical steps.

My excuse for buying this book was that I will be teaching a class of
14-year old Japanese-language students how to make Kasahara-san's Mask of
Pan, and I wanted to have other masks to show. I am sure these kids will
be impressed, and I hope they and their teacher can tell me the names of
some of the models.

I am looking forward to reading what others on the list have to say about
the Yoshizawa books. I, for one, am glad Michael asked these questions.

Happy folding!

-Jane





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:02:07 -0500
Subject: Decagons

First let me say this is more a favor than a question.

I am folding Chris Palmers 5 Petal Flower Tower which starts from a
decagon. I know how to create a decagon by folding and cutting but I don't
always get accurate results. For pentagons and hexagons I use AutoShapes in
WORD97 to create a Word document containing those shapes (which are
proportionally scaleable by holding down the Shift (I think) key while
dragging to resize (I think there is also an option to say always keep
proportional ?)). Then I print out the shape, lay THAT page on top of my
KAMI (or what ever) and using the printed page as a template cut out BOTH
sheets. This has worked great and a benefit of doing it this way is that
you always get a practice paper for each real paper you cut :-). {If
anybody wants me to forward them my WORD doc of shapes I'll be glad to
(assuming I don't get way to many requests :-) email me privately and I'll
send it, without warranty :-) to you}.

The problem is that this doesn't work for a decagon because AutoShapes in
WORD97 does not provide that shape. I have tried other things in WORD like
using Copy-'n-paste and Zoom 500% and Rotate to try and create a good
decagon but its just not working.  So now for the favor. Does anyone have a
way to create a good printable decagon that they could email to me (along
with a ~ viewer ~ if needed :-). It would be a big help :-).

Thanks, Jeff Kerwood





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:45:49 +0000 (
Subject: Re: NO: Dragons
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

>
> For a good source of dragon lore, conveniently packaged into story
> form, check out Anne McCaffrey's "A Diversity of Dragons" (ISBN 006105531X).

Thanks for the tip. I will look out for this book :)

> There are, of course, many other good sources of dragon lore, but all of my
> good books are at home. (Yes, I like to do a lot of research on the subjects
> of the models I design.

I'm sure all us Dragon lovers would like to know about the books you have.

>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca
>
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
* Andrew Daw                   email:  andrewd@redac.co.uk        *





From: Gabriel <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:46:35 -0800
Subject: Re: two book enquiries (long)

I would like also to add to the question about Yoshizawa's books:

Yasashii Origami - Easy Origami  - Yoshizawa

I search the list archives and found nothing about it.

Regards,
Gabriel.





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:47:54 -0500
Subject: closing a bag?

To make a long story short, I was unable to finish a bag of candies
(Skittles, to be exact) and would like to keep the bag close without the use
of a chip clip.  Does anyone have a good folding method to close the top of
the bag tightly so that if accidentally tipped, the contents would not fall
out?  Of course, I'm not talking about some heavy content like chicken wings
or something, but small light stuff like potato chips, m&m candy, small
seeds etc..which are generally packaged in plastic or paper bags and
generally require a clip to close (or I generally place it in a zip-lock bag
to keep fresh).  Thanks.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:21:13 -0500
Subject: Re: closing a bag?

I usually resort to a clothespin: good for holding open
origami books and holding closed slippery plastic bags
that won't hold a crease. Who said clothesdriers would
be the end of clothespins?

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:14:05 -0500
Subject: Decagons

-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by Origami List

"The problem is that this doesn't work for a decagon because AutoShapes in
WORD97 does not provide that shape. I have tried other things in WORD like
using Copy-'n-paste and Zoom 500% and Rotate to try and create a good
decagon but its just not working.  So now for the favor. Does anyone have a
way to create a good printable decagon that they could email to me (along
with a ~ viewer ~ if needed :-). It would be a big help :-)."

-------------------- End Original Message --------------------

        I can't say I've used the program you're using, so I don't know if
you'd be able to do this or not, but if you have the program generate two
identical pentagons on top of each other, then rotate only one of them such
that it is 36 degrees off the other one (36 is half of 72 degrees, which is
the measure of the angle of a pentagon), you should have a nice,
ten-pointed star (with short, broad points).  If you can connect the tips
of all 10 points, you'll have a decagon.  Whether the program can do this,
I don't know, but you can always print out the 10-pointed star and then
connect the points manually with a ruler!

        Hope this helps!

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

                     Jerry D. Harris
                 Fossil Preparation Lab
          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
                 Phone:  (505) 899-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2866
               102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cyrille_Pr=E9aux?= <cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:58:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Decagons

well, I would try to do it like that ,

1_ take a drawing program like paint shop pro
2_ Make a straight line
3_ copy it 8 times
4_ with eatch of the copy rotate 36
5_connect all line at center
6_connect all end line and you have a decagone

i send you a image i've done quickly as an example

So now for the favor. Does anyone have a
>way to create a good printable decagon that they could email to me (along
>with a ~ viewer ~ if needed :-). It would be a big help :-).
>
>Thanks, Jeff Kerwood





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 19:37:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Decagons
Priority: normal

On 3 Nov 98, at 18:14, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

> -------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------
>
> Message text written by Origami List
>
> "The problem is that this doesn't work for a decagon because AutoShapes in
> WORD97 does not provide that shape. I have tried other things in WORD like
> using Copy-'n-paste and Zoom 500% and Rotate to try and create a good
> decagon but its just not working....
>
> -------------------- End Original Message --------------------
>
>         I can't say I've used the program you're using, so I don't know if
> you'd be able to do this or not, but if you have the program generate two
> identical pentagons on top of each other, then rotate only one of them such
> that it is 36 degrees off the other one (36 is half of 72 degrees, which is
> the measure of the angle of a pentagon), you should have a nice,
> ten-pointed star (with short, broad points).

36 degrees isn't a likely rotation for them to have... BUT: 180 is.  If
you had two identical pentagons and just flipped one over you'd be done.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:30:31 -0500
Subject: Re: closing a bag?

Actually I was referring to a folding technique which would close the bag
tightly not a mechanical devise or taping the bag.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu

ps. I also use a clothes pin to hold plastic bags, but I was hoping to be
able to just somehow fold it closed so I don't have to run around getting
the clothes pin.

-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 4:22 PM

>I usually resort to a clothespin: good for holding open
>origami books and holding closed slippery plastic bags
>that won't hold a crease. Who said clothesdriers would
>be the end of clothespins?
>
>Lisa
>Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:39:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Decagons

>The problem is that this doesn't work for a decagon because AutoShapes in
>WORD97 does not provide that shape. I have tried other things in WORD like
>using Copy-'n-paste and Zoom 500% and Rotate to try and create a good
>decagon but its just not working.  So now for the favor. Does anyone have a
>way to create a good printable decagon that they could email to me (along
>with a ~ viewer ~ if needed :-). It would be a big help :-).
>
>Thanks, Jeff Kerwood

I'm completely embarrassed to tell you how quick and easy this is to do on
a Macintosh.  I use ClarisWorks 3.0 as my word processor, and it can
generate perfect polygons of ANY number of sides.

The resulting decagon can then be scaled to any size, colored in or left as
a line drawing.  (For example I know that the largest decagon out of
standard U.S. letter paper is about 2.5 inches on each of the sides.) The
default Macintosh format is PICT, but I can convert it into JPEG or GIF or
TIFF or BMP and e-mail it to you.

Tell me your specifics, and I'll see if I can cook something up for you.

Rob...anyone need a heptagon template?
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:02:53 +0000
Subject: Decagons & free Designworks

>way to create a good printable decagon that they could email to me

Any old drawing package should be bale to generate decagons
automatically. The prog I use (designworks) certainly can, with any line
thickness/shade. If anyone wants to try a copy, the full version 3 is
free on this months PC Home CD (UK only). Excellent value!!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:25:07 -0500
Subject: Sasuga Order of OftC, Origami Omnibus

Hello everybody,

I was wondering if anyone who had pre-ordered Origami for the Connoiseur
or Origami Omnibus from Sasuga back in July has received it yet. I
haven't.

Thanks,

Carmine

---------
Carmine Di Chiara
cadichia@mit.edu
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec





From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:29:16 -0500
Subject: Origami Technical Paper

Hello again.

I've had this reference for a while, and I thought someone on the list
might take an interest. It's an MIT thesis back in 1993, probably a
bachelor's, entitled _A Computer Based Method for Constructing
Three-Dimensional Surfaces from Sheet Material_. It's written by Benjamin
Linder, and I haven't taken a look at it yet.

I suppose the only way to access the thesis is by coming to campus. I
don't believe it's online.

If someone's very interested, I might be able to swing by and copy down
its abstract to get more information.

Carmine

---------
Carmine Di Chiara
cadichia@mit.edu
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:25:39 +0200
Subject: ET from developmental plans

On 22-Oct-98, Askinazi, Brett (brett@HAGERHINGE.COM) wrote:

>I would like to know how you did the ET model though.
>I have been trying that one for a while and never can get it right.

If you can fold it up to the point shown in crease pattern, position
the model with the closed point upwards, feet part up.  Mountain fold
from top to the fingertips (open sink here makes cleaner model and
isn't much harder).  Valley fold head to front slightly above the
widest point of head.  Turn over and valley nose so it points up.
Turn over, valley nose down, squash to form eyes and form nose.

I don't have the model here so I can't tell exactly how I did feet,
but try folding the little triangular flap down and making the lower
body a bit thinner.

I hope this helps.  I've tried to find an easy-to-diagram method to
fold the crease patern, but haven't succeeded yet.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Howard Portugal <howardp@FAST.NET>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:57:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Sasuga Order of OftC, Origami Omnibus

Carmine,

I pre-ordered also and haven't received it either. I just assumed that they
lost the order (they didn't charge my credit card) and I'll get around to
calling them soon.

Howard

Carmine Di Chiara wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I was wondering if anyone who had pre-ordered Origami for the Connoiseur
> or Origami Omnibus from Sasuga back in July has received it yet. I
> haven't.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carmine
>
> ---------
> Carmine Di Chiara
> cadichia@mit.edu
>         Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
>                 - Stanislaw Lec

--
Howard Portugal, West Chester, PA email:howardp@fast.net
---------------------------------------------------
"A problem worthy of attack, proves its worth by fighting back."
Author Unknown





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:02:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Closing a Bag

>Date:    Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:30:31 -0500
>From:    Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
>Subject: Re: closing a bag?
>
>Actually I was referring to a folding technique which would close the bag
>tightly not a mechanical devise or taping the bag.
>
>Keropi
>keropi@vt.edu
>

Jeanine Mosely (I think) once posted a method for closing a bag of M&Ms.
Check the archives for the details.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:33:42 -0600
Subject: new models

I just put 2 new models up on my web page they are both by Anita
S. Barbour, they are a Heart and a Slug.  I hope you enjoy them!
later this month I will be putting up finished diagrams of my
Model Twisted Dancer is PDF format.

Thanks
Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: David Harter <tamagotchi@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:50:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Sasuga Order of OftC, Origami Omnibus

I ordered mine from amazon.com AFTER is came out, got it for almost $4 less
than anywere else, and it arrived in less than a week.

Happy folding!
David Harter

Carmine Di Chiara wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I was wondering if anyone who had pre-ordered Origami for the Connoiseur
> or Origami Omnibus from Sasuga back in July has received it yet. I
> haven't.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carmine
>
> ---------
> Carmine Di Chiara
> cadichia@mit.edu
>         Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
>                 - Stanislaw Lec





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:36:33 -0500
Subject: three-masted sailing ship inquiry

    Does anyone know where else (book, pamphlet, OUSA, Tanteidan,
newsletter....) besides Kenneway's Paperfolding for Fun that the
Three-masted sailing ship by Martin Wall may be found?  I've folded Patrica
Crawford's Full-rigged ship from Harbin's Origami: Step by Step guide and
have thoroughly enjoyed it.  In fact I was trying to find the ship that was
shown with Brill's bottle in OFTC.  I inquired on the O-List earlier and
Michael Gibson replied that there was a three-masted sailing ship in
Kenneway's Paperfolding for fun which just so happens to be missing from my
edition.  I've tried the interlibrary loan for the 1st ed. of the book but
its seems to have vanished and further search on the internet for used books
brought up nothing as well.  Thanks in advance for any information provide.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: Tony O'Hare <tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 01:44:56 +0000
Subject: Jim Davidson's "Generation Game"

I've been passed a message from BOS's Martin Wall saying that he and
Pete Ford are appearing on the popular BBC TV game show "Jim Davidson's
Generation Game" to be screened this Saturday 7th November.
Channel: BBC1. Time:6pm - 7pm. 3rd game - just after Nora Batty!!
They are shown folding a large size ORIGAMI BOAT, a variation of the
traditional Sampan from a 3m square.
Regards
Tony O'Hare
tohare@cableinet.co.uk





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 05:28:36 -0500 (
Subject: Closing a Bag.

On third, November, Keropi asked how to close up a bag of candies (Skittles -
what are they?) without using a clothes pin (what we would call a clothes peg
in England) or any other mechanical apparatus. My own problem is usually with
potato crisps (potato chips across the Pond), which go soggy once the packet
has been opened. If I can find one I usually resort to one of those spring-
clip types of clothes pegs, as opposed to the simple forked pegs like those
sold by the Gypsies.

Having tried to close bags all my life, I don't think there is a really secure
way of fastening a bag of  lumpy things. The difficulty is in devising a lock.
Given a very large bag, this might be possible, but the sort of bag we are
thinking of is just big enough to enclose the contents and to tip everything
into a jumbo-sized bag would defeat the object of the exercise.

However.

I am old enough to remember the days when what were called loose goods were
delivered to grocers' shops in bulk. My uncle had a corner shop in Grimsby.
After he retired, it changed hands several times and still exists, one of the
few corner shops not to have succumbed to competition from the supermarkets.

When I was young, I spent many hours in my uncle's shop. It was a meeting
place for the local community and all the local gossip was dispensed there.
Here all life with its joys and sorrows was to be found. Some lonely people
would visit the shop for oddments several times a day to find the company that
was lacking form their lives. So I had ample opportunity for watching the
packaging of dry goods. The usual dry goods were sugar, flour and washing
soda. (detergents hadn't yet been invented and the soda was necessary for
softening the water for washing clothes.)

In an earlier day, the grocer had himself wrapped the dry goods in bags folded
from plain sheets of paper. I regret that I do not know the technique of
making such bags, but it was one of the most important examples of a useful or
utility fold. I'm sure the technique must be reorded somewhere and if anyone
can tell me where, I shall be very pleased to know. Once the bag had been
made, the sugar or whatever was weighed into it and the bag was fastened up
without clips, staples,  glue or sticky tape.

By the time I came along, the grocer no longer made his own bags, and the
basic bags were bought already made in bulk. Blue for sugar, white for flour
and brown for washing soda. I can remember the bags being filled to an
approximate level. They were then place on  the scales and more sugar or
whatever tipped into them until the exact quantity was reached, allowing, I
seem to remember, a little extra to cover the weight of the bag.

Then came the fastening of the bag. Here it becomes difficult to describe
without diagams, but I'll try. The bag was filled to within about three inches
of the top edge of the opening. Then the front of the bag above the dsugar or
flour was pushed forward and down to lie on the top of the sugar. This left
the remaining three sides of the bag still upright. The left side was the
folded down diagonally towards the right as far as it would go. Next the right
hand side was folded down similarly. This left the back side of the top of the
bag staning up as a triangle. This was folded over from the top about two
times. it was then tucked under the left and right flaps (Now lying on top of
the front side of the bag, which in turn is lying on top of the sugar).

This technique of closing a bag containing granular or powdery substances was
secure, and normally gave no trouble. Modern bags of sugar and flour whether
sold in corner shops or in supermarkets are made in much the same way, but the
top of the bag is glued down instead of being tucked in.

The reason why bags of lumpy things like toffees or potato crisps/chips cannot
be closed in this way is that the surface of the toffees is not flat like the
top of a bag of sugar and there is no neat flat slot into which to insert the
tuned-down top flap.

Sweets (candies) were sold in their special cone-shapes bags. A "dunces cap"
was made (this is easy) and held in position with a twist at the bottom. The
top was then either tisted up or, sometimes the top was colosed in the same
way as a bag of sugar as i have described. The curious thing is that when
sweet bags came manufactured and sold already made to the shopkeeper, they
were still made in  the triangular shpe of a cone. And I think that some of
them still are. This is a curious example of historical inertia.

Packaging is one of the areas of life most rich in utility folds. I have
collected them when they have come my way. I have, for instance, examples of
folds in which powders for medicine were sold by the chemist and others used
for packaging seeds.

A friend of mine is the secretary of the Hardy Plants Society, in charge of
the exchange of seeds between the members, and I found that his members were
using the same design for seed packets as I had previously obtained from a
lady who was born in Germany. I have no doubt that exactly the same packets
are to be found in North America and other parts of the world.

Another aspect useful folds is the difference between the ways that Westerners
and Japanese wrap up their parcels. This was a subject aired in Origami-L some
time ago.

Envelope and letter folds are other examples of utility folds, but an aspect
that has been thoroughly investigated by the Envelope and Letter Fold
Association, the members of which have developed it into a branch of creative
paperfolding in its own right.

In view of the increasing mechanisation of life, I hope that all the
traditional useful folds wiill be collected together before it is too late. I
hope that this will jog the memories of other subscribers to Origami-L and
that they will share their recollections with us.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL





From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:10:47 +0100
Subject: Re: closing a bag?

On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU> wrote:

>Actually I was referring to a folding technique which would close the bag
>tightly not a mechanical devise or taping the bag.

Closing plastic bags by folding will be rather difficult, because the folds
tend to not to stay folded. It unfolds. But paper bags is not so difficult, i
think. I try to diagram:

1.
                        Top of bag (open side)
        ---------------------------------------------
        |                                           |
        |         1. valley down                    |
        |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
Side    |                                           |  Side
        |                                           |
        |         2. valley down again              |
        |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|
        |                                           |
        |                                           |
                               |
                              \ /
                        To the underside

2.                      Folded top side
        ---------------------------------------------
        |     /                               \     |
Side    |    .                                 .    |  Side
        |   /      mountain folds to lock       \   |
        |--.-------------------------------------.--|
        | /                                       \ |
        |.                                         .|
                               |
                              \ /
                        To the underside

With a paper bag, this stays closed quite well. I hope this is what you meant.

Greetings,
Mirjam.





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:48:17 -0500
Subject: Re: closing a bag?

>Actually I was referring to a folding technique which would close the bag
>tightly not a mechanical devise or taping the bag.

And I obviously did not have my tongue planted firmly enough in my cheek!

If you don't have a clothespin (not a clothes peg) (a binder clip will do)
within reach at all times, you obviously don't have enough of them
laying around. ;-)

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@BCPL.NET>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:25:27 -0500
Subject: OftC, Origami Omnibus

For Baltimore area residents I saw two copies of each of the above at
Bibilow's Bookstore in Timonium about a week ago.

Arlene
aanderso@bcpl.net





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:57:06 +0200
Subject: Re: Closing a Bag

On 04-Nov-98, Keropi (keropi@VT.EDU) wrote:

>Actually I was referring to a folding technique which would close the
>bag tightly not a mechanical devise or taping the bag.

Try this:

1.
+---------------------+
|                     |
|  A    valley        |
|        fold         |
+ - - - - - - - - - - +
|                     |
|  B    valley        |
|       again         |
+ - - - - - - - - - - +
|                     |
|                     |

2.

+---+-------------+---+
|  /               \  |
| .     reverse     . |
|/       folds       \|
+---------------------+
|                     |
|                     |

3.

Tuck reversed corners between layers A and B.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:47:09 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

Referring to book Origami Boxes for Gifts, Treasures and etc.  Where can I
find this book.  Does anyone know.  It sounds neat . Dorigami





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:04:13 -0800
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

At 17:03 98/11/05 -0500, you wrote:
>> Please, DO NOT BUY THIS BOOK!
>>
>>  It is a rip off of Tomoko Fuse's designs/work.
>>
>Sorry that I bought this book before I joined this list.  Now I almost feel
>guilty for owning it.....

No need to cry over spilled milk. What's done is done, and you didn't know.
But if we can keep others from knowingly doing the same thing, then we're
that much further ahead, right?

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Teresa Ford <TesaFord@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:09:11 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

> Referring to book Origami Boxes for Gifts, Treasures and etc.  Where can I
>  find this book.

I bought mine at the local book store.  I just checked amazon and they have
it.

Teresa Ford





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:37:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

Teresa Ford wrote:
> > Referring to book Origami Boxes for Gifts, Treasures and etc.  Where can I
> >  find this book.

> I bought mine at the local book store.  I just checked amazon and they have
> it.

Please, DO NOT BUY THIS BOOK!

It is a rip off of Tomoko Fuse's designs/work.

The definitive "analysis" of this in the archive is a message posted by
Valerie Vann back on June 2nd, 1998.

Without rehashing and reposting previous messages from the archive yet
again...
To access the archives from the web, check out either:
        http://www-japan.mit.edu/origami
or      http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/faqs/index.htm
and include a line that says only:                      faq

And if you wonder why you as a consumer of origami books should care, try
searching the archive to find out just how hard it is to get books published
and how pitifully little (if any) origami authors make from their books.  We
don't need to add any further incentive for authors not publish, and besides,
supporting ripoff's is just WRONG.

-D'gou





From: Teresa Ford <TesaFord@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 17:03:53 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

> Please, DO NOT BUY THIS BOOK!
>
>  It is a rip off of Tomoko Fuse's designs/work.
>
Sorry that I bought this book before I joined this list.  Now I almost feel
guilty for owning it.....

Teresa Ford





From: nimba <wahtuse@TSTT.NET.TT>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 17:49:02 -0500
Subject: Squirrel

Hi:  Hi there Nick, I have step by step instructions on how to make a
squirrel. The book I got it from is donkey years old.  I do not have access
to a scanner, or I would send it to you via the computer.  If you want you
can give me your address and I will mail it to you.  You can e-mail me at
wahtuse@tstt.net.tt and I will give you my address.  By the way, my name is
Nimba.

----------
> From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: squirrel wanted
> Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 1:35 PM
>
> I received this the other day - anyone who can help should write
> privately to Boajn(?)
>
> Can u help me please .... ?
> I need a help about ORIGAMI .... I can`t find a way to make a squirrel
> .... step by step .....and I really need it .
> By the way ...... I am 15 years old girl from Yugoslavia ... Belgrade
> .... and it is very important for me to find it ....
> please ...... u look like a perfect person for that sort of help
> My E-mail adress is :
> bojan@telekom.yu
>
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
> RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:35:30 +0000
Subject: squirrel wanted

I received this the other day - anyone who can help should write
privately to Boajn(?)

Can u help me please .... ?
I need a help about ORIGAMI .... I can`t find a way to make a squirrel
.... step by step .....and I really need it .
By the way ...... I am 15 years old girl from Yugoslavia ... Belgrade
.... and it is very important for me to find it ....
please ...... u look like a perfect person for that sort of help
My E-mail adress is :
bojan@telekom.yu

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:57:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Sasuga Order of OftC, Origami Omnibus

I have received my order for Origami Omnibus from Sasuga.  I pre-ordered it
back in July and received it a couple of weeks ago.

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj

-----Original Message-----
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 8:58 PM

>Carmine,
>
>I pre-ordered also and haven't received it either. I just assumed that they
>lost the order (they didn't charge my credit card) and I'll get around to
>calling them soon.
>
>Howard
>
>Carmine Di Chiara wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone who had pre-ordered Origami for the Connoiseur
>> or Origami Omnibus from Sasuga back in July has received it yet. I
>> haven't.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carmine
>>
>> ---------
>> Carmine Di Chiara
>> cadichia@mit.edu
>>         Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
>>                 - Stanislaw Lec
>
>--
>Howard Portugal, West Chester, PA email:howardp@fast.net
>---------------------------------------------------
>"A problem worthy of attack, proves its worth by fighting back."
>Author Unknown





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:13:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Foil Backed Fabric

Just a quick announcement for those who might venture into Washington D.C.
The National Gallery of Art will host the exhibition "Edo:  Art in Japan
1615-1868" from 15 November 98 - 15 February 99.  This exhibition, the first
comprehensive survey in the U.S. of Japanese art of the Edo Period, features
nearly 300 works--painted scrolls and screens, ceramics, and woodblock
prints--to reveal the vibrant popular culture of Edo.

Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com

Kimberly Crane





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:26:09 -0500
Subject: Edo:  Art in Japan 1615-1868

Just a quick announcement for those who might venture into Washington
D.C.
The National Gallery of Art will host the exhibition "Edo:  Art in Japan

1615-1868" from 15 November 98 - 15 February 99.  This exhibition, the
first
comprehensive survey in the U.S. of Japanese art of the Edo Period,
features
nearly 300 works--painted scrolls and screens, ceramics, and woodblock
prints--to reveal the vibrant popular culture of Edo.

Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:37:43 -0500
Subject: bag closed

Thanks to all who've replied about the bag problem.

Jorma Oksanen:  Thanks for your directions.  I've tried it on a bag of
candies ( the material was a composite of plastic and paper) and it worked
well.

Mirjam Van Vroonhoven:  Was the mountain fold parallel to the 2 valley
folds, except further down the bag?  It didn't hold too well, but maybe I'm
folding it wrong.  When I was done, the result was a pleat, does that sound
right? Please explain further.  Thanks.

Lisa Hodsdon: I think I'm going to have to buy some more clothespin and
place them everywhere so I can get to them whenever I need them.  80)

Pat Slider:  I've tried searching the O-list database but didn't come up
with anything on M&M and Jeanine Mosely, however I did find a folding
method/lock for paper (lunch) bags by Karen Reeds and by you about practical
folds.  80)
Anyways, if anyone is interested on what Karen Reeds had written about the
baglock, here's the info. to place in the database:

David Lister: Thanks for the wonderfully long reply,  I really enjoyed
reading about some history on practical folding methods.  As a matter of
fact, I've been using the method you had described to close sugar bags (5 lb
or 2.27 kg) that I get from the grocery store.  Interesting to know that the
same folding method is practiced everywhere in the world.  Skittles is a
sweet manufactured in the States (only, I think).  They are about the same
size as M&M's (not chocolate, though) in various flavors like strawberry,
grape, orange, lemon, and lime (all in one package).

As to the problem of closing and locking the slippery, fold-resistant
plastic bags, the consensus is to resort to some type of mechanical device
(clothespin, clip, paper clip...whatever it take to lock in the
"freshness").  Anyone else have a good method to close and lock plastic
bags?  I think closing and locking a paper bag that has four sides
(self-standing type) is much easier than bags that are just two sheets
sealed on three sides with an opening (which the consumer made) on the top.
The latter bag was what I had in mind when I originally posted to the list.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 22:13:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

Joseph Wu indited:

+But if we can keep others from knowingly doing the same thing, then we're
+that much further ahead, right?

Right!

Teresa:
No need to feel guilty for owning the book, I completely agree with
Joseph.

Sorry if I shouted in your ear.  On October 23rd both Sebastian Marius
Kirsch and I posted messages indicating the true nature of Dirk's
book.  Those messages made it in to the archives, but seem to have been
lost on others... and either not received, or not well read and
understood.  My intent was only to prevent another uninformed purchase
of that book.

-D'gou





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:09:08 -0500
Subject: karigami?

I recently diagramed how to fold a rectangular sheet (preferrably 2 or
greater to 1 ratio) which when cut/torn into equal thirds would produce the
cross and pieces left over to form the word "hell".  I know its not exactly
origami (since its not from a square and its cut/torn to form the final
result...karigami(sp?)..."tear"igami...), but its such a wonderful piece(s)
that I couldn't resist sharing it.  I've shown it to a few people and they
all seem to enjoy it immensely (whether they are Christians or not).  If
anyone is interested, I'll try to get it scanned and sent.  There is a story
that goes along with the folding and results but I won't go on with that
unless people are interested.  Also, if I what I'm saying is out of bounds
with origami please let me know so I won't make the same mistake again.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:01:20 +0100
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

The question is : What can we do to prevent this and to make understand the
ripper that he should not do that again ?
 - Kill him ?
 - Force him to fold models from Zulal Arthur-Scheele books ?
 - Force him to read all my mails ?
 - Send Keneth Starr to him ? (no, too expensive)
 - Flood his E-Mail with tons of angry mails (and his editor's e-mail)
 - Send a letter to him and his editor
 - ...

I'm completly with you about not buying this book.  That's really sad to see
that some people with ne talent get to publish Origami books.

    JJ Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Odes Choate <Odes-Choate@DATA-DIMENSIONS.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 06:35:55 -0800
Subject: Re: karigami?

I would be greatly interested in the Cross/Hell "tear"igami.

Thank you.

Odes Choate
Data Dimensions, Inc
Raleigh Solution Center

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keropi [SMTP:keropi@VT.EDU]
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:09 PM
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      karigami?
>
> I recently diagramed how to fold a rectangular sheet (preferrably 2 or
> greater to 1 ratio) which when cut/torn into equal thirds would
> produce the
> cross and pieces left over to form the word "hell".  I know its not
> exactly
> origami (since its not from a square and its cut/torn to form the
> final
> result...karigami(sp?)..."tear"igami...), but its such a wonderful
> piece(s)
> that I couldn't resist sharing it.  I've shown it to a few people and
> they
> all seem to enjoy it immensely (whether they are Christians or not).
> If
> anyone is interested, I'll try to get it scanned and sent.  There is a
> story
> that goes along with the folding and results but I won't go on with
> that
> unless people are interested.  Also, if I what I'm saying is out of
> bounds
> with origami please let me know so I won't make the same mistake
> again.
>
> Keropi
> keropi@vt.edu





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 12:33:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Playing with origami

I believe I read in the archives (by someone?) sometime ago that a group
started with a piece of paper (square preferrably?)  and each person in turn
makes a fold on the same piece of paper, after awhile, a model will result
which was the collaborative efforts of the entire group. I think each person
was not suppose to say what they are trying to achieve when they make the
fold until the final result is done.  I personally have not had the pleasure
of sitting together with other folders to start a "game" like this but it
does sound interesting, at least to see what the outcome of the folds are.
Anyone can chime in and help?

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu

-----Original Message-----
Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 11:47 AM

>here is my story ....
>
>Today somebody have seen some of the fold i brought to work.
>As he liked it, he want me to join a meeting on games.
>
>as i don't really consider Origami as a game i would like to know
>if someone as ideas on making game in origami
>
>thanks in advance.
>
>Cyrille,





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:08:01 -0700
Subject: Re: karigami?

Keropi wrote:
>
> I recently diagramed how to fold a rectangular sheet (preferrably 2 or
> greater to 1 ratio) which when cut/torn into equal thirds would produce the
> cross and pieces left over to form the word "hell".

Isn't there a store that goes along with that. Something like...

I man makes a living writing origami books.  But instead of creating his
own models he steals other peoples creations and passes them off as his
own.  So one day he dies and goes up to heaven.  Saint Peter meets him
at the gate, and says, "Here is where we will determine your fate.  In
order to do it in an appropriate fashion, you must tell me what you did
for a living."

The man replied, "I was a creator of origami. And a writer of books on
the subject."

"Very well.  Since you lived by paper, we will let paper determine your
fate."

Peter then takes out a piece of paper and starts folding.  He then takes
out a pair of scissors and looks up at the man.  He see's no reaction.
So, he starts cutting. Still no reation.  Finally, he cuts a piece
completely off.  Seeing that the man doesn't even wince he cuts the
paper a second time.  He then lays the pieces of paper on a table and
says, "These pieces will determine your eternal reward."

The man unfolds the pieces and finds a cross, and shouts out with joy.
But Saint Peter shakes his head and takes the remaining pieces and
spells out the mans true final residence.

Ok, so that's not exactly how it went.  But it's close.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:57:48 +0100
Subject: Re: Useful Origami

re -- >>  It is a rip off of Tomoko Fuse's designs/work.

Can somebody educate me? If the designs are copyrighted or covered by
patents, I assume our laws protect the designer. If they are not protected
by a copyright or design patent I assume they are not protected and it
really is somewhat unfair to call publication a "ripoff". How can a
publisher tell who invented what? Can't Tomoko Fuse or her publisher take
these people to court?

It seems to me that the Origami community has an obligation in this regard.

The following, which might be beyond any one individual, could be done as a
group effort.

1       Study the laws (each country?) as they relate to Origami and
publish the study through some Origami group --- or perhaps as a letter
which would stay in the magnificent archives of this mailing group. This
information would allow all designers to protect themselves if that is of
interest to them. (Some, may not want to -- they may offer their designs
freely for the public good --- not everyone is motivated by commercial
interests.)

2       Compile a list of EVERY published Origami item and  list each
designer, along with information on how to contact each for permission.
Denote which designs are from antiquity and/or in the public domain.

3       Publish (probably on the internet) sugested guidelines for
individuals, publishers and manfacturers on this subject.

I am a developer, inventor, writer, manufacturer and business owner with (I
hope) a good sense of fair play (not the legalities of the matter) and
would welcome guidance on this subject. I am currently developing some
Origami Kits and have offered the designers of the basic Origami items a 5%
royalty on sales --- whether or not they have a copyright or patent or even
proof that they, in fact, were the actual first creator of the item. All
that matters to me is that I would not have thought of the item if they
hadn't done it.

My previous email letter (last week?) asking for guidelines on this subject
was not, to my knowlege, answered by anyone.

Some wise person once said something to the effect that, "Rights not
protected are quickly lost."

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Jack Thomas Weres <jtweres@LUCENT.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:14:22 -0600
Subject: Re: closing a bag?
Original-From: jtweres@ihgp.ih.lucent.com

David Lister wrote:

> In view of the increasing mechanisation of life, I hope that all the
> traditional useful folds wiill be collected together before it is too late. I
> hope that this will jog the memories of other subscribers to Origami-L and
> that they will share their recollections with us.

this sounds like an excellent book idea
or the beginnings of a web page dedicated to useful folds

who knows
         but there may already be a web page

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:20:21 -0500
Subject: who's the creator? (was kirigami?)

Yup.  The storyline I heard doesn't involve origami, but I like your version
better. Do you know where the folding originated?  I learnt it from my
brother who learnt it through his co-worker who learnt it through his
pastor...  so I really don't know to whom should the credit be given.  I'm
going to wait and see if someone can provide the name of the creator (so I
can give proper credit) before I scan in the diagrams and send it to those
who've requested it.  If I don't hear from anyone, I'll get it scanned this
weekend and send it out.  Thanks.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu

-----Original Message-----
Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 3:09 PM

>Keropi wrote:
>>
>> I recently diagramed how to fold a rectangular sheet (preferrably 2 or
>> greater to 1 ratio) which when cut/torn into equal thirds would produce
the
>> cross and pieces left over to form the word "hell".
>
>Isn't there a store that goes along with that. Something like...
>
>I man makes a living writing origami books.  But instead of creating his
>own models he steals other peoples creations and passes them off as his
>own.  So one day he dies and goes up to heaven.  Saint Peter meets him
>at the gate, and says, "Here is where we will determine your fate.  In
>order to do it in an appropriate fashion, you must tell me what you did
>for a living."
>
>The man replied, "I was a creator of origami. And a writer of books on
>the subject."
>
>"Very well.  Since you lived by paper, we will let paper determine your
>fate."
>
>Peter then takes out a piece of paper and starts folding.  He then takes
>out a pair of scissors and looks up at the man.  He see's no reaction.
>So, he starts cutting. Still no reation.  Finally, he cuts a piece
>completely off.  Seeing that the man doesn't even wince he cuts the
>paper a second time.  He then lays the pieces of paper on a table and
>says, "These pieces will determine your eternal reward."
>
>The man unfolds the pieces and finds a cross, and shouts out with joy.
>But Saint Peter shakes his head and takes the remaining pieces and
>spells out the mans true final residence.
>
>Ok, so that's not exactly how it went.  But it's close.
>
>--
>Kim Best                            *******************************
>                                    *          Origamist:         *
>Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
>420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
>Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cyrille_Pr=E9aux?= <cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 17:45:22 +0100
Subject: Playing with origami

here is my story ....

Today somebody have seen some of the fold i brought to work.
As he liked it, he want me to join a meeting on games.

as i don't really consider Origami as a game i would like to know
if someone as ideas on making game in origami

thanks in advance.

Cyrille,





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:05:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Sasuga Order of OftC, Origami Omnibus

I pre-ordered from Sasuga in July (and received 20% discounts) they arrived
last Friday...

>Hello everybody,
>
>I was wondering if anyone who had pre-ordered Origami for the Connoiseur
>or Origami Omnibus from Sasuga back in July has received it yet. I
>haven't.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carmine
>
>---------
>Carmine Di Chiara
>cadichia@mit.edu
>        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
>                - Stanislaw Lec





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:40:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Closing bags

     Mirjam and others have covered the topic pretty well.  Her solution
needs a little addition to make the instructions more complete.  When the
top layer of an open bag is valley folded twice it is attached to the two
sides, whih needs to be taken into account.  One way of handling this is to
fold the top layer two folds worth and allow the two sides be squash folded
flat.  Then the top layer can be folded under, the sides mountain folded to
hold the top layer in place, and the bottom layer then valley folded over
the top layer and tucked under it.
     This method of folding holds the fold fairly well because the bottom
fits snugly under the top layer.
This approach is similar to folding the newspaper hat, whidh starts with a
couple of sheets of newspaper folded in half and the top corners folded to
the vertical center line to close the sides on top to form a container.
Because the sides are split it is possible to bend the bottom sides at
right angles to hold the folded top layer in place.  To close the bag it is
a simple matter to valleyfold and tuck the lower edge under the folded top
layer.  To make a hat the bottom layer is folded under and tucked inside
the folded in sides.
     I have worked out a number of variations of pocketbook and knife
holder from letter size paper.  One of thse I use to carry five inch dor
six inch square paper folded in half.  James M. Sakoda





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 00:27:04 -0500
Subject: bag closing clarification

-----Original Message-----
Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 9:40 PM

>     Mirjam and others have covered the topic pretty well.  Her solution
>needs a little addition to make the instructions more complete.

Thanks you for the clarification on Mirjam's folding.  I'm some what
confused though, it this folding for a paper bag ie. the kind you get at
grocery stores? Doggy bags?  If this is so, then the method is very good for
locking the opening.  However, I had mentioned in an earlier posting to the
list that I was originally thinking about a flat plastic bag when I pose the
question.  Do you know of a method to fold/lock flat plastic bags ie potato
chip bags, M&M candy bags, etc...

>     I have worked out a number of variations of pocketbook and knife
>holder from letter size paper.  One of thse I use to carry five inch dor
>six inch square paper folded in half.  James M. Sakoda

I would be very interested to know the folding methods for the pocket book
and knife holder you've described above.  Maybe you would place it on your
website for other folders (myself included) who would enjoy some practical
folds.   Again, thank you for the extended instructions to Mirjam's folding
method.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:06:55 -0800 (
Subject: meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0507
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike & Anita

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