




From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:03:58 +0100
Subject: FANTASTIC convention in Stockholm (Read it!)

Hi All,

I just arrived home today from the 1st Scandinavian Origami Meeting (SOM) in
Stockholm organised by Origami Sverige with cooperation with Origami Finland.

The convention took place near Stockholm, at "Hagelbyparken" (a beautiful
park), from the 23th to the 26th October but for me it seemed this
convention started before and ended after these dates. Dino and Antonieta
Andreozzi, these very kind people hosted many people in their home, so I met
Claudine Pisasale, Thoki Yenn and David Brill before the convention, and the
fun already started in this "family atmosphere". Still before the convention
started, we met the "Finnish division", Sadi Sandell, his sister and her
fianc, and Jorma Oksanen putting their models out to the exhibition
(including two, about 1 meter long Yoshino skeletons -- T-rex and the
Triceratops --, Jorma's foldings from paper and else-than-paper and several
kusudamas).

Now about the place. The convention was in a big cafeteria room, where we
had the breakfast, lunch and dinner as well as "coffe breaks", which
everybody was waiting for (we didn't sleep to much). On the upper floor
there was the marvellous exhibition room with models from the participants.
Not only models were exhibited but there were two "stations" where visitors
(the exhibition was open for everyone) could get to know more things about
origami or try it. The two stations were Thoki Yenn's Origami Archives video
tape played continously for the public, and a CD-I station with a CD to try
folding some easy (and more advanced models). During the convention time
much of us slept at a youth hostel just on opposite side of the convention
place. All the flags of the participant countries were run up on flagpoles,
which was a very pleasant and kind thing I never saw before.

The convention was opened on Saturday morning, people could sit and fold
(there were informal classes both on Saturday and Sunday), talk, or look
around the exhibition. About 35-40 people took part in this extraordinary
event, which always had this special atmosphere I call "family-like". I met
Doris Lauinger (Germany) and Tatiana Khliamova (Russia) for the second time,
and it was nice to meet Ariel Aramburu (Sweden), Fernando Gilgado Gomez
(Spain), Paul Slater (England) and several other folders (from Sweden,
Germany and Holland) for the first time.

I didn't tell about a special thing yet because I wanted the emphasise it
better. The convention was sponsored by a Swedish paper factory called
ORIGAMI PAPER OPP AB, who (listen!), in cooperation with Dino, have been
developing origami paper for two years now. They supplied the convention
with _plenty_ of this paper and asked us to test its foldablity, crispness,
possible color combinations, etc. This is an outstanding effort, I think, to
develop origami paper outside Japan! Two men (Mr. Olofsson and Mr. Svenson -
I hope the spelling is okay) came to represent the company and they were
very enthusiastic about getting feedback from us. We tested two kinds of
paper, one for "dry" (called KRAFT SKIN) and another for wet folding (called
SHARK SKIN). As for my opinion, the KRAFT SKIN is excellent for folding, we
only recommended a few changes. The shark skin dries extremely fast but
needs some changing but it is on its way. I hope these papers will be soon
available. By the way, they are cheap compared to the Japanese paper and the
company doesn't charge extra mailing costs (!) For example one can order
paper from, say, Italy, and he pays the same price if he ordered it in
Sweden. Putting the financial issues aside, I belive this paper has a future
in origami and I hope to have much of it soon :)
You can check out the company's site at www.origamipaper.com

Saturday morning Mr. Olofsson gave an interesting lecture on how paper is
made in different ways for different usage, how environmental manufacturing
works, etc. In the evening we folded 100 candleholders (little boxes) and
remembered Lillian Oppenheimer's 100th birthday.
On Sunday we made a visit to an old paper mill nearby. It was very exciting
how they made paper in the old days by hand and how the watermarking, etc.
ahs developed during the time.

After the convention ended, I went back to Dino's house where I spent the
following two days with Dino, Antonieta, Claudine, David and Fernando.
During plane delay, also Paul Slater stayed with us one day. We folded,
chat, went to Stockholm for sightseeing (the Vasa museum is amazing, I
recommend it to everybody who's visiting Stockolm). So, for me, the
convention only ended when I had to say good bye at Arlanda airport.

The exhibition was open until today (28/Oct) and Dino and Antonieta were
giving classes for beginners from Monday to Wednesday (today). They did a
huge amount of job which deserves admiration.

I have so much good memories that possibly I forgot to mention all of them.
Anyway, this convention was very SPECIAL with capital letters and many times
many thanks goes Dino and Antonieta Andreozzi who worked a lot to present
this convention to us and also to the Origami Paper OPP AB for sponsoring
the meeting (including my trip) and for providing quality paper for us
throughout the time.

I strongly hope to get back here next year and help Origami Sverige in the
big work they do.

Some photos of the convention and exhibition are available at the Origami
Sverige homepage (Dino, please announce the path for it, I don't remember
exactly), with some -hopefully- funny comments Dino made with me and Dave.
Enjoy them!

See you in Stockholm next year!

Peter Budai





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:34:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat 3.0 sale (NORM)

Thanks for the information. I would suggest to try GhostScript. It can
produce compact pdf file from postscript format. You can download it from
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ for various platforms. I have used it to
generate  many of my pdf diagrams successfully.

At 11:19 PM 10/27/98 +0100, James M. Sakoda
 wrote:
>To those interested in producing portable document format.  I have just
>receoved a ad for Adobe Acrobat 3.0 at a special sale price of $85
>(regularly priced at $184.32) from CDW.  Their phone number  is
>800-239-741, if you are interested in placing an order.  Upgrade from
>Acrobat Exchange v.2.1 or Acroibat Pro V2.1 is $73.21 or $56.30.  Portable

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:51:30 +0100
Subject: NO: Halloween

NO origami..... but so funny !!

http://www.ohmygoodness.com/Cards/Animated/halloween-flasher.gif

Roberto





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:25:18 +0900
Subject: Re: One legged Demon

"One legged Demon" is called KARAKASA-OBAKE (Chinese Umbrella bogeyman)
in Japan.
It is traditinally said that old things get their lives and
become bogeymen.
Many things become many monster, a wall to a NURIKABE,
a piece of cloth to a ITTAN-MOMEN, and a umbrella to a KARAKASA-OBAKE.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  We can rather cast blank votes than keep away from polls.  *
*    _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/                                     *
*   _/ HATORI Koshiro _/      hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp           *
*  _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/   http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/  *





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:25:56 -0500
Subject: NO: Montroll writes literature and fiction!

I was browsing through Amazon.com's recommendations for me. I tried the
food category first and then music and art. I was impressed with how good
their program was at finding books I would actually like to own.

Then I switched to literature and fiction. The number one recommendation
was Montroll's "Animal Origami for the Enthusiast." It lead a list that
included Jane Austen, Andre Gide, Shakespeare and Eco and other
contemporary authors, but no other origami books.

I guess I will have to take another look at "Animal Origami" to check out
its literary merits.

-Jane





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:23:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Pictorial origami

At 20:47 26-10-1998, Nick Robinson wrote:

>This is an area I'm exploring at the moment - if you wish I can rattle
>some diagrams together - you might try "mount2.gif" at my homepage
>(address below).

Thanks Nick! The mount2.gif is certainly an example of what I mean.

Greetings,
Sjaak

Sjaak Adriaanse
email: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net
----------------------------------
We perform the miracles
Kate Bush





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:40:18 +0200
Subject: Re: FANTASTIC convention in Stockholm (Read it!)

On 28-Oct-98, Peter Budai (peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU) wrote:

>I just arrived home today from the 1st Scandinavian Origami Meeting
>(SOM) in Stockholm organised by Origami Sverige with cooperation with
>Origami Finland.

Uh, we Finns just provided some exhibit models.  All organization was
done by Origami Sverige.

>Still before the convention started, we met the "Finnish division",
>Sadi Sandell, his sister and her fiance,

Neither Mette nor Bo were folders, but Mette got seriously hooked
during the meeting.  It was quite fun to see her being so excited
about origami.

>and Jorma Oksanen

Hey, that's me!  :)

>putting their models out to the exhibition (including two, about 1
>meter long Yoshino skeletons -- T-rex and the Triceratops --,

Both folded by Sadi.

>Jorma's foldings from paper and else-than-paper

Not so many, I was lazy.

>and several kusudamas).

Folded by other members of Origami Finland.

>The exhibition was open until today (28/Oct) and Dino and Antonieta
>were giving classes for beginners from Monday to Wednesday (today).
>They did a huge amount of job which deserves admiration.

Well said, mate.  Thank you for a memorable meeting, Dino and
Antonieta!

Big thanks also to everyone else who was there, making my first
convention the nice experience it was.

>See you in Stockholm next year!

You bet.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:44:11 -0500
Subject: One more paper question:

Dave,

I knew there was one model I left out. What paper did you use for the
cigarette pack?

Carmine

---------
Carmine Di Chiara
cadichia@mit.edu
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:34:55 +0100
Subject: Site not working *yet* (www.origamipaper.com)

Hi All,

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the www.origamipaper.com site will be only
accessible after about the 1st of November.

So anyone who tried couldn't access it. Sorry again.

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:05:49 -0800
Subject: Blind Money Folds

Hi Everyone,

I know this is an old subject, but I met with my sisterlast night, who is
a mobility/blind teacher (she teaches the blind,  she is not blind) and
asked her about this subject.  She said the reason we got so many
different types of folds that the blind do, is because the folds are
personal and created by each individual.  She will instruct her students
to come up with a fold for each denomination and leave them to come up
with their own.  There is no standard.

Judy

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From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:34:42 -0500
Subject: SEOF -- Diagrams for Star Box

      During the recent Southeastern Origami Festival I took two classes
each titled 'Star Box'. One was by Kevin Kinney which was made from two
rectangular pieces, one for the box, one for the lid, we did it in gold
foil, it's quite nice!
    The second star box was a unit construction, six sheets for the box and
six for the lid. I've tossed my class list and am not sure of the name of
the woman who taught it, I think it was Merida Weinstern. Anyway, we
completed the box, but time ran short and we were unable to complete the
lid. Diagrams were meant to be forthcoming by mail (e, or snail). However I
have yet to receive them. Was anyone on the list, by chance, also in that
class? If so, have you received the diagrams? Do you remember Merida's last
name? Is she on the list? Do you know how I could contact her? This is yet
another wonderful box (boxes are my favorites), and I'd love to finish it up
and maybe do another before amnesia sets in and it's lost to me.
    Any and all help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!





From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:44:59 -0500 (
Subject: Re: SEOF -- Diagrams for Star Box

Regarding the diagrams for the Star Box:

I haven't forgotten you guys! The files are so big they were hard to transmit,
so I resolved to snail mail them to those of you who were supposed to get
email attachments.

They're on the way; no, really!!!

Merida





From: Dave Brill <davebrill@WORTHHALL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:42:27 +0000
Subject: Fag packet paper

Dear Carmine (and any one else interested!)

The cigarette packet in Brilliant Origami was made from some sort of
foil: have no idea exactly what!

I have to say that foil is really not my favourite material, but as
always there are exceptions to rules, including the ones I set for
myself! The Christmas tree fairy was also folded from foil...

Yours

Dave Brill

davebrill@worthhall.demon.co.uk





From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:09:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Rohm Rights

>Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> sez
>
>>Since BOS has released booklets of Fred's sketches/diagrams, the
>>question is whether they acquired exclusive rights to them or not.
>>Hopefully someone from BOS can pipe in with an answer on that.
>
>I don't think we have exclusive rights - these remain with the creator
>and/or their estate. In the circumstances, I'd have thought limited
>releases on the web would be acceptable, provided there was no profit
>motive involved. Don't quote me on this when the lawyers arrive though!
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson

I was just reading a copy of John Montroll's Easy Origami, and in it there
are two Rohm models, the waterwheel and impossible vase, and he thanks Bea
Rohm in the forward for allowing him to use the models.  This made me assume
that the estate probably has controll over publishing, so I would figure out
how to get permission from them before doing anything else.

Bugly





From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:15:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Joseph's Eastern Dragon difficulty...

Ok, I'm not even going to try to snip out relevant parts of the conversation
since I only have one question.  Where do the legs move to when you use a
longer rectangle?  Do you approach the tail as a fixed length and then count
the creases in until you find where it should be, or is it just personal
preference?

By the way, I love the way this model looks, but I still want an
eastern-style dragon with the proper number of claws...oh well, I always
seem to want the nearly impossible things.

Thanks in advance,
        Bugly





From: Jason Todd <jrtodd@MS.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:55:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Joseph's Eastern Dragon difficulty...

Because of the "modular" nature of the dragon, you can put them
anywhere.  As I recall, the legs use up about 6 "units".  So you can
pretty easily plan it all out if you are that type or you can just wing
it and see what you get (which is what I did).  The nice thing about
winging it is that you can see what it looks like and adjust as
necessary.

-Jason

P.S.  As I've never seen a real eastern dragon, could you tell me the
proper number of claws.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 7:15 AM

Ok, I'm not even going to try to snip out relevant parts of the
conversation
since I only have one question.  Where do the legs move to when you use
a
longer rectangle?  Do you approach the tail as a fixed length and then
count
the creases in until you find where it should be, or is it just personal
preference?

By the way, I love the way this model looks, but I still want an
eastern-style dragon with the proper number of claws...oh well, I always
seem to want the nearly impossible things.

Thanks in advance,
        Bugly





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:01:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Joseph's Eastern Dragon difficulty...

At 05:15 98/10/30 -0700, you wrote:
>Ok, I'm not even going to try to snip out relevant parts of the conversation
>since I only have one question.  Where do the legs move to when you use a
>longer rectangle?  Do you approach the tail as a fixed length and then count
>the creases in until you find where it should be, or is it just personal
>preference?

As Jason said, you can just rely on personal preference. One rule of thumb
that I sometimes use is to position the hind legs exactly halfway between
the end of the tail and the back of the front legs. Another consideration is
the amount of arch in the body. The longer the body, the less curve in the
arch, so if you want to fix the length of a feature, fix the length of the
body, not of the tail. Also, it is possible to make a loop in the body
and/or the tail if you make it long enough.

>By the way, I love the way this model looks, but I still want an
>eastern-style dragon with the proper number of claws...oh well, I always
>seem to want the nearly impossible things.

Not impossible at all. It's been done...many times. I've seen the photos,
but I don't know of any diagrams to them.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Michie Sahara <michies@WESTWORLD.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:34:17 -0800
Subject: tsunagiori demonstration

My mother Masako Sakai and I will be demonstrating origami...Rokoan style on
     November 7th, Sat. 1pm-5pm at Kokoro Konfectionery of Brentwood...11952
     San Vicente Blvd., L.A. 310-820-7061  Kokoro (meaning "heart" in Japanese)
     specializes in tea and chocolat





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:01:09 -0500
Subject: Origami Show

On 10/30/98 (today) there will be a fashion rerated show (mostly of works
by David Rodriguez), that will also feature origami related works by Cris
Palmer. The show starts at 1:00, and is on 428 Broadway, 2nd Floor (by
Canal St. in NYC, USA). Call Ali Taekman at 212 685-8705 to make an
appointment. Sorry to all for the short notice (I just found out a minute
ago).

Marc





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:28:16 -0600
Subject: Cornucopia

Hi All:

A friend of mine asked if I knew of any diagrams of a Cornucopia (horn
of plenty)? I looked in the model search and found a napkin fold in
Festive Folding by Paul Jackson. Does anyone know of any other diagrams
in books or possibly on the Internet?

I would appreciate any information you might have. Thanks in advance for
your help.

Kathy  <*))))><





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:34:21 -0500
Subject: Origami Tree at AMNH

Can anyone tell me what dates the annual origami Xmas tree in the
American Museum of Natural History in NYC is exhibited?  Where
exactly is the tree shown?  The photos of last year's tree in
OUSA's Paper were spectacular.

Thanks

Terry Rioux
--
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Diving Safety Officer, MS# 28        |   FAX:   (508) 457-2195
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution |   Foot:  Iselin 151
Woods Hole, MA 02543                 |   Email: trioux@whoi.edu





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:38:43 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Origami Tree at AMNH

The exact location and display dates are yet to be determined.  Aldo Putiagno
and myself will be working on the decorating of the tree and set up in the
next few weeks.  As soon as details are cleared up, we will let the origami
list know.  Thanks for your interest!

Yours,

June Sakamoto





From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:39:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Rohm Rights

>Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> sez
>>
>>>Since BOS has released booklets of Fred's sketches/diagrams, the
>>>question is whether they acquired exclusive rights to them or not.
>>>Hopefully someone from BOS can pipe in with an answer on that.
>>
>>I don't think we have exclusive rights - these remain with the creator
>>and/or their estate. In the circumstances, I'd have thought limited
>>releases on the web would be acceptable, provided there was no profit
>>motive involved. Don't quote me on this when the lawyers arrive though!
>>
>>all the best,
>>
>>Nick Robinson
>
>I was just reading a copy of John Montroll's Easy Origami, and in it there
>are two Rohm models, the waterwheel and impossible vase, and he thanks Bea
>Rohm in the forward for allowing him to use the models.  This made me assume
>that the estate probably has controll over publishing, so I would figure out
>how to get permission from them before doing anything else.
>
>Bugly
>
Oops, I was wrong, it was "Teach Yourself Origami", not "Easy Origami."
Serves me right for not making sure before I sent the letter.

Bugly





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:42:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Cornucopia

> A friend of mine asked if I knew of any diagrams of a Cornucopia (horn
> of plenty)? I looked in the model search and found a napkin fold in
> Festive Folding by Paul Jackson. Does anyone know of any other diagrams
> in books or possibly on the Internet?

I believe there is a Cornucopia in Mark Turner's book (but it is at home and I
am not).

-D'gou





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:05:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Tree at AMNH

Traditionally it's been on the first floor, immediately down the right
corridor as you walk in the main entrance.  You don't have to pay admission
to see the tree.

The lighting of the tree is spectacular.  No photograph does it justice!

Go see it, if you possibly can.  In an age where so much about the December
holidays is crass and commercial, it does my heart good knowing that this
tree exists.

It is a labor of love and a coming-together of so many human hands:  male
and female,young and old, richer and poorer.

Nothing in all of New York City captures this spirit better.

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:37:56 -0500
Subject: Halloween page update...

I've added a few more models to the Halloween page.  Thanks to Carmine Di
Chiara for several suggestions.

May your Folds be Fiendishly, Frightfully Fun!

-D'gou

P.S.  In case you didn't save it, (i.e. for the lazy ;-)) go to my origami
page http://www.pgh.net/~dwp/origami/Origami.html and click on the Halloween
models link.





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:41:45 -0800
Subject: Garland of unit origami?

Greetings,

       Would somebody on the list reply about an easy garland my club can
fold for our Christmas tree?

Thanks,
Ria   ^   ^
     ( * * )
      -----

PS  If possible please name book or send diagrams via email.





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:00:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Cornucopia

Laura Kruskal has a cornucopia from 8 1/2 by 11 paper.





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:26:39 -0600
Subject: Re: Cornucopia

Hi Rona:

Thanks for the reply. Is this a 3D model? Can it be opened? The children
want to put fruit made of play dough into it. Do you know what  book it
is in?

Rona Gurkewitz wrote:

> Laura Kruskal has a cornucopia from 8 1/2 by 11 paper.





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:58:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Joseph's Eastern Dragon difficulty...

Hello,

Dragons are a popular subject in origami and a distincition is often
made between Eastern and Western dragons.  Some may wonder about the
basis for this distinction.  May be some experts could clarify?  A
Chinese acquaintance told me that in ancient Chinese history there
were various tribes, each having an animal as their emblem.  Gradually
the snake tribe took over the other tribes.  Each time it did so,
the snake was transformed, adding a feature of some other type of
animal until it became the Eastern dragon that we know today.  Can
anyone confirm or refute this?  What is the origin of the Western
dragon?  Also I've seen Viking dragons on longboat prows, rune stones,
and stavekirke.  It seems to me that this dragon is neither the Western
dragon nor the Eastern dragon, but it must come into the evolution of
the form of the Western dragon somewhere, eh?

                                 Au revoir,
                                    Mark
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca                     |





From: tommy <tomkat@DALLAS.NET>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:22:47 -0600
Subject: Re: Garland of unit origami?

There is a section on origami chains and garlands at the Origami
Interest Group web site. The designs are by Maarten van Gelder and Kero
van Gelder. Diagrams are in gif format. Check them out here...
http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models.bin/garland/index.htm

Tommy





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:25:43 +0100
Subject: More on the Scandinavian Meeting

Hi All,

Two more things about the 1st Scandinavian Origami Meeting.

I forgot to tell you that every paricipant received an origami badge (made
by Mark Kennnedy) as a present.

There was a convention book (100 pages) as well. Models are included from
Thoki Yenn, Alfredo Giunta, Perry Bailey, Michael La Fosse, Julius Kusserow,
Tatiana Khliamova, Lionel Albertino, Dave Brill, Pasquale D'Auria, Lars
Arell, Dino Andreozzi, Fernando Gilgado Gomez, Alex Bateman and me.

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: RBE <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:35:43 +0600
Subject: Re: Joseph's Eastern Dragon difficulty...
Priority: normal

Mark Wrote:

> Dragons are a popular subject in origami and a distincition is often
> made between Eastern and Western dragons.  Some may wonder about the
> basis for this distinction.  May be some experts could clarify?  A
> Chinese acquaintance told me that in ancient Chinese history there
> were various tribes, each having an animal as their emblem.
> Gradually the snake tribe took over the other tribes.  Each time it
> did so, the snake was transformed, adding a feature of some other
> type of animal until it became the Eastern dragon that we know
> today.  Can anyone confirm or refute this?  What is the origin of
> the Western dragon?  Also I've seen Viking dragons on longboat
> prows, rune stones, and stavekirke.  It seems to me that this dragon
> is neither the Western dragon nor the Eastern dragon, but it must
> come into the evolution of the form of the Western dragon somewhere,
> eh?

I can add a little, but not much.  In later years (at least), the
Chinese Imperial Dragon had 5 claws on each foot; top officials had 4
claws on their clan's dragons, and so on down to footless dragons.
I've never seen less than 3 claws, so I can't comment beyond that.

I have no idea what emblematic structures appeared on the Japanese
dragons.  Western dragons were early called "worms" and were legless,
more like giant snakes.  The Viking dragons have some similarity to
some "cloud dragons" in Northern Italy.  The wild stuff on the heads
is supposed to represent flames or clouds.  The various symbolic
elements merged.

I'm not sure when Western dragons acquired feet, but I do know the
current versions were influenced by early misconceptions of dinosaurs
plus various artists' imaginations.  The more recent versions may
have subconscious elements in their design, but the conscious purpose
is mainly artistic liscense rather than any thought to express a
symbol using an existing image.

Looking forward to even more info -- and some references, since I
have not had time to find out where this came from (many, many
sources over many, many years).

I like the Disney realistic Dragons and would love to see some models
that looked like them.

Love & Blessings,
Black Eagle





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:53:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Garland of unit origami?

Ria,

The chain by David Shall, which Karen Reeds described in a posting
earlier this month, makes a great garland when made with assorted foil
wrapping papers. 2" x 8" is a good proportion for Christmas trees. I
learned this a few years ago from an OUSA volunteer in the Christmas tree
room at the Museum of Natural History.

A clip from Karen's message:
"Link for chain--simple. Fold long sides of narrow rectangle to center
and unfold. Fold down the top and bottom short ends as tabs going in
opposite directions.  Roll the paper into a circle, hook the two tabs into
each other, and lock by folding into the circle along the long creases."

-Jane





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:02:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Joseph's Eastern Dragon difficulty...

> At 05:15 98/10/30 -0700, you wrote:

> >By the way, I love the way this model looks, but I still want an
> >eastern-style dragon with the proper number of claws...oh well, I always
> >seem to want the nearly impossible things.

There's a very nice one in the Oru Quarterly#2, which you can get from
Sasuga Bookstore in Boston at http://www.sasugabooks.com.  It is two
pieces, but it is a fine model.





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:28:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragons

>There's a very nice one in the Oru Quarterly#2, which you can get from
>Sasuga Bookstore in Boston at http://www.sasugabooks.com.  It is two
>pieces, but it is a fine model.

I believe it's three pieces actually:  head, body, wings.  Wings, of
course, could be optional  :)

Great two-color model as a centerpiece for a table--lots of character!  The
body is very sinuous with crimped pleats; it has pointy claws, and some
beautiful detailing to the head and face.  I think the detail here would be
very difficult to achieve in a one-piece model without adding considerable
bulk.

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: David M Foulds <dmfoulds@ORIGAMI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:45:35 +0000
Subject: Origami Sighting

Hi,

Included with Saturday's edition of the Independent UK newspaper there was a
leaflet advertising an Internet connection package from Cable & Wireless.

Each side of the yellow sheet had printed fold lines for a paper dart, along
with folding diagrams at the base of one side.  The dart is traditional apart
shown and get off to a flying start."

Dave

PS. Feel free to include this, and my other sightings, in the BOS magazine.
If this has already been done, no problem 8^)

--
David M Foulds [dmfoulds@origami.freeserve.co.uk] [dmfoulds@bigfoot.com]

Foulds' Folds - Selected Origami Designs
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





From: David M Foulds <dmfoulds@ORIGAMI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:45:42 +0000
Subject: OUSA's The Paper

Hi there,

While I was looking at my copies of The Paper to gather the model contents
for my website bibliography I noticed that I didn't seem to have Issue 59
Summer 1997.  Although I joined at the same time as requesting a convention
'Sorry' pack (around May-June time) I do have the Spring issue.

This year I again renewed my membership at convention time, and again I have
not yet received the Summer issue.  When does the Summer issue normally reach
the UK?  Also, is there a specific membership 'year' - ie. from a particular
month one year to the next, like the BOS, or does it just depend on when you
join?

By the way, it isn't the case of an incorrect mailing address because I have
If someone linked with OUSA could comment, I would appreciate it.  Thank you.

Dave

--
David M Foulds [dmfoulds@origami.freeserve.co.uk] [dmfoulds@bigfoot.com]

Foulds' Folds - Selected Origami Designs
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:26:22 -0600 (
Subject: Re: OUSA's The Paper

Dave, I am not linked to OUSA but just to let you know, I got my Summer 1998
Issue #62 around the first week of August.  I live in Wisconsin USA.  This
issue has the main article on the front entitled "An American in Paris" and
a photo of a sailboat and the article is spectacular with nice pictures.
Also, the previous issue #60 was a combination winter and spring issue; so
IIRC there was no spring issue.

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:37:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Papiroflexia Selecta by Vincente Palacios

Papiroflexia Selecta  by Vincente Palacios is now available at Kim's
Crane.  Many other new products have also been added.  Please come have a
look.

Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:15:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Cornucopia

I don't know if Laura Kruskal's cornucopia is in a book, so here goes
from memory:

1. Start with an 8 1/2 x 11 oriented so that the 8 1/2 is horizontal.
2. Fold the lower edge to the right hand edge, forming a triangle
   on the bottom of the model.
3. Fold the two layer triangle in half by bringing the lower right point
   to the upper left poin of the triangle.
4. Fold the top right and left corners of the 8 1/2 x 11 down to the top
   of the triangle.
5. Fold the paper above the large triangle over and into the large triangle's
   pocket.

 You now have a triangular shaped pocket.

6. Squash the triangle in half by squeezing it so it opens and its two
   edges meet.
7. Tuck one point down all the way into the pocket.

Open the pocket and you have a cornucopia.

Rona





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 15:44:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragons

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Rob Moes wrote:

> I believe it's three pieces actually:  head, body, wings.  Wings, of
> course, could be optional  :)

That's a western dragon, actually.  There's another eastern dragon later
on with 3 claws on each toe which is two pieces.  Both are very fine
models.





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:13:12 -0600
Subject: Spring summer 98

The reason as I understand it that there was only a summer is is
that it was a sring/summer issue combined, the reson for the
combining I think had something to do with a change of editors,
allways a messy prospect, especially for a small publication like
ours that is heavily understaffed.  You want to help, if you buy
origami books hot off the shelf when they are just released,
write a a review, e-mail it in!  If they had enough of these type
of contributions from members they would allways be able to put
together a news letter, and don't forget, if you teach a class
others would be interested, write it up and send it in.  Before I
got injured and was forced onto disability I used to write
reviews on games and books for computers, for different
newssletters, but hen I had to move, and can't afford to buy hot
off the shelf origami books, or I'd start sending in reviews!
Even if every one in the club wrote any kind of article, poem,
reveiw whaat have you, at the rate one every three years, it
would still keep them with plenty of extra material.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Glenda Scott <gdscott@OWT.COM>
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 18:46:00 -0700
Subject: pentagonal box

Has anyone seen directions for folding a pentagonal box?
Many thanks in advance.

Glenda Scott





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 23:14:41 -0600
Subject: Puss in Boots

Well folks,
As to the diagrams of Puss In Boots by Fred Rohm, I have come to
the decision that there probably is someone out there somewhere
who holds some kind of copyright, so rather than put the
depository in the rather delicat position of refusing a model, I
am going to refrain from posting it.  This does not on the other
hand mean I will not share the diagrams with others.  Just
remember it is an 800+k pdf file and I may wait till others more
than one request comes in.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:03:14 +0000 (
Subject: NO: Dragons
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

I was rummaging around on the internet on Friday looking for pictures
of Dragons and came accross this page:

http://www.draconian.com/whatis/

It tells you all about the various types of Dragon you can get
(14 or so).

Andrew Daw





From: SUJATHA SIMON <SUJATHASIMON@BIGPOND.COM>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:46:45 +1030
Subject: Re: pentagonal box

There are directions for a pentagonal box in the book by Andrew Stoker and
Sasha Williamson called Fantastic Folds.  I hope this is helpful to you.

Sujatha.





From: Pete Miller <pmiller@NICOM.COM>
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1998 23:41:35 -0500
Subject: Origami Book

I was in Borders looking thru the piles of special books (after going thru
the origami section) and came across the book The Step by Step Art of
Origami by Jon Tremaine on sale for $5.98.  The book is interesting because
it not only shows different diagrams, but also shows things you can do with
the folded figures such as making a candelabra, wreath, necklace, and
cards.  One of the more interesting diagrams is a Traditional Chinese Vase.
 It is remarkable how nice the vase turns out with very simple folds.
There is also a simple Tulip made from a water bomb base. The book has a
little bit of everything, from several types of boxes, flowers, animals,
and a couple of ornaments.  I would recommend the book even at a normal
price.





From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:06:40 -0800 (
Subject: Origami sighting and book question

I was reading through CNN's news and found an article that was giving
toy and gift recommendations for children this Christmas. One of the
recommendations was as follows:

   Trick Folds Origami ($6) from Think of It explores
   the ancient art of paper folding. The kit includes
   instructions to make 11 toys and fifty sheets of
   colorful paper.

My son (age 8) is getting more and more interested in origami and I was
wondering if anyone knew anything about this kit.

Wayne "Flu" Fluharty
wflu@hotmail.com

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: joyce saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:25:47 -0400
Subject: Origami sighting?

On the cover of the NY Times Education section (Section 4A/Nov. 1, 1998) is
a photo of a student teacher, her students, diagrams, and what looks to be
a 3D model in the foreground. Looks like origami to me, perhaps a math
class.  Did anyone else see this illustration as Origami instuction or am I
reinterpreting the world to suit my vision.

Joyce Saler





From: "Charles M. Heron" <cheron@ICHIPS.INTEL.COM>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:30:07 -0800
Subject: Re: pentagonal box

There's a pentagonal box in one of the Tomoko
Fuse' books. It's written in Japanese so I don't
know the name, but it's got various square boxes
that have little crane variations and other little
small origami's as part of the box tops (there's
a box with 2 hearts on the cover.) But it
has a pentagonal box with a star pattern.
I got it at Umijamaya (sp) in Portland/Beaverton
OR.
I'll try and remember to write down the ISBN.

-charles

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Glenda Scott wrote:

> Has anyone seen directions for folding a pentagonal box?
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Glenda Scott





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:30:22 +0100
Subject: Re: Puss in Boots

Following this thread. Aside from the legalities. Is there an officially
established published position on the rights and responsibilities of
creators  and users related to origami models, descriptions, pictures and
diagrams by any Origami group in any country?

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:21:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Origami sighting?

>Did anyone else see this illustration as Origami instuction

It looked like origami to me, too, but it is impossible to tell what the
diagrams are for.
-Jane





From: Black Eagle <rbe@FLASH.NET>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:41:58 -0600
Subject: Re: Puss in Boots
Priority: normal

Perry wrote:

> Well folks,
> As to the diagrams of Puss In Boots by Fred Rohm, I have come to the
> decision that there probably is someone out there somewhere who
> holds some kind of copyright, so rather than put the depository in
> the rather delicat position of refusing a model, I am going to
> refrain from posting it.  This does not on the other hand mean I
> will not share the diagrams with others.  Just remember it is an
> 800+k pdf file and I may wait till others more than one request
> comes in.

To the best of my knowledge, Fred Rohm's Puss In Boots was originally
published in The Flapping Bird, which was later published in spiral
bound book format by the Origami Center of America.  I don't know if
it's available anymore at all.

If it's a normal copyright of a model submitted by Rohm, the
copyright is held by the Origami Center or its successor for a time
and then reverts to Rohm or his estate.  At least that's the normal
way copyright goes.

The way copyright laws work, whatever you write is copyrighted as a
simple matter of being published or written.  You may register the
copyright as a way of establishing the copyright date, or publish it.
 The whole point of that action is to set a date, not to "get a
copyright."  This letter is copyrighted, but published in a forum
where it is considered to be released for public use and is subject
only to the rules of the list.  In other words, I own the copyright,
but give the rights away by my choice of forum.

If I am quoted and you add something to what I say and then claim it
was what I wrote,  you have violated copyright laws as well as
committed another crime (which depends on context).  Usually the
copyright laws are not the ones invoked in lawsuits.

Can anyone add any details to this?  I would think it would be
worthwhile making public if the copyright is clear or permission can
be obtained.
Black Eagle
Ask ab. Poly Ft Worth (TX) Pot Lucks
Ask for my PGP public key
bus web site: http://www.desertsilver.com
Use the H.A.M.R. at http://www.hamr.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:03:58 -0800
Subject: Re: NO: Dragons

At 08:03 98/11/02 +0000, you wrote:
>I was rummaging around on the internet on Friday looking for pictures
>of Dragons and came accross this page:
>
>http://www.draconian.com/whatis/
>
>It tells you all about the various types of Dragon you can get
>(14 or so).

An interesting site, but fully of misinformation (i.e. stuff that
contradicts traditional dragon lore...I'm not going to go into "truth" about
dragons). For a good source of dragon lore, conveniently packaged into story
form, check out Anne McCaffrey's "A Diversity of Dragons" (ISBN 006105531X).
There are, of course, many other good sources of dragon lore, but all of my
good books are at home. (Yes, I like to do a lot of research on the subjects
of the models I design.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:08:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Garland of unit origami?

>The chain by David Shall, which Karen Reeds described in a posting
>earlier this month, makes a great garland when made with assorted foil
>wrapping papers. 2" x 8" is a good proportion for Christmas trees.
--

Actually, this is a great way of using up all those strips left
over from cutting red and green copy paper for making magic rose
cubes ;-)

If you fold one more time from the edge to the center, the link
thins out a little bit and becomes amazingly strong.  In a pinch
you can use a link made from newspaper to wrap old papers for
recycling, and it's strong enough to lift the bundle without
falling apart.

Terry Rioux





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:04:35 -0500
Subject: Mt. Fuji Success

With all the origami knowledge on this list, I just knew someone would be
able to help.  I forwarded all the messages to Joan and she immediately went
out and purchased Kennaway's 'Complete Origami' so she can teach Mt. Fuji
and banger models at a convention this weekend for her fellow school
teachers.  She also tells me she fears she is getting 'hooked' on origami
and sends along her thanks.

Thanks again!  I can't help but wonder how many children will be exposed to
the art of origami in the coming years all due to the responses to just one
question!

Sarah





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:07:10 +0100
Subject: Re: Foil Backed Fabric

Here is, as promised, the summary of response to foil/fabric laminate I
sent to you.

9 recipients responded and 15 did not --- according to my records.

In abbreviated form,  what was said follows my analysis.

MY ANALYSIS --- Although a few people were enthusiastic and there may be
some promise for the material, , I judged the response to be lukewarm at
best and we think it is no mistake that Origami enthusiasts work mostly
with paper. We will abandon our effort to make foil backed fabric and will
just sell the adhesive backed fabric --(it is now listed for sale on our
website at $2.75 / linear foot of 22" wide material). Origami workers can
simply laminate it directly to household aluminum foil if they desire. I
did the samples I sent you that way with the aid of a rolling pin. If you
would like to buy some ---I can sell you as much as you need for $1 /
linear foot.

THE RESPONSE
Joel Hoffman --- My overall reaction is positive.  I hope you go through
and market this so I can buy it.  (Indeed, if you had several solid colored
sheets I would buy some now.) ...It should be square. ... It is the only
"paper" I've seen that's foldable yet which shows no creases on the
outside.  This is what makes it so nice.  I made a lovely rose out of it.
... It doesn't really hold a fold that well.  ... make the cloth thinner,
...  I didn't try anything complex, but I don't think this would work. ...
Solid colors are a better bet than patterns, or, offer both, but most
people want solids ....  At any rate, I think it's a great idea.  It's
biggest selling point will be that you don't see any creases on the final
model.

Ria Sutter ...  impressed with how well it folded and held its shape.
However, it doesn't work as well when there are folds of double thickness.
Simple models with single creases work well

Peg Barber --- I cut one square and tried to make a crab out of it -- This
was successful, but I found it difficult to see the creases on the fabric
side.    I liked the flexibility the fabric provided.  The foil gave the
medium more "fold-hold-ability"  I found this useful,

Darren Scott --- As a new matertial it's great to fold but but maybe not a
large enough range(ofr patterns)  and a  little too expensive.

Rachel Katz --- The foil backed fabric is wonderful. ... I love the fact
that I was able to iron out my creation and start again  with a nearly
fresh piece. It really is reusable. Another important thing would be size.
I'd be inclined to make larger projects with this more durable material and
would want 18 inch width

Diana Wolf -- The one thing I did see at first glance is the wrinkles could
cause problems

Garrett Alley --- It's a fun material to work with! I folded a one piece
Fuse box, and the material really held up well and turned out nice. With
the strip left over from the rectangle, I experimented with box-pleating
for about 30 minutes. Even that constant handling and manipulation didn't
damage the material. I know that you're looking for the things that weren't
great about the stuff, though, so I would like to mention that some of the
edges were a bit frayed when I was done (loose threads hanging).I would be
willing to pay up to $1/sqft for the foil backed cotton.

Marcia Mau --- It was easy to fold.  I did not like all the wrinkles in the
foil in the finished model.  I find the
foil too shiny -

Robert Vandenberg --- It tends to be rather thick and cumbersome where
there are multiple layers and thus appears to require simple folding
patterns where the number of layers is small.

No response from --- Catherine Ortiz -- Merida Weinstein -- June Sakamoto
-- Wayne Fluharty -- Elizabeth George -- Judy Pagnusat  -- Yaacov Metzger
-- Edith M. Kort -- Helen Sperber --Tricia Tait -- Michie Sahara -- J.
Robert A. Lemieux -- Faye Goldman --- Gerard Blais -- Anne LaVin

Steve Woodmansee ( package returned as undeliverable ???)

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:14:39 +0100
Subject: Last message re foil/fabric

Sorry -- my last message was sent in error to list--- thought I was
answering off-line email.

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:08:54 -0600
Subject: Wedding Butterflies

I will be giving a talk on origami in Japanese culture, and I would like
to be able to make some traditional wedding butterflies. These are
illustrated, but not diagrammed, on page 35 of Kenneway's Complete
Origami. I have so far been able to reverse engineer something close with
a waterbomb base, but I wondered if anyone has seen diagrams for the
actual model. I am intrigued by the fact that this is one of the oldest
known origami designs, and would love to be able to reproduce it.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks.
-Jane





From: joyce saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:18:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Wedding Butterflies

Jane
Florence Temko has a traditional butterfly in her book, "Wedding Origami".
She has just revised the model and if you like the one in the book, I can
send you a xerox of the revised diagram.

Joyce





From: Jeadams1@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:39:14 -0500 (
Subject: Pentagonal Box

One of the pleasant origami puzzles for me this past summer was figuring how
to fold a pentagonal box from Tomoko Fuse's 6-, 7- and 8-sided box diagrams in
"Joyful Origami Boxes" (ISBN 0-87040-974-3). The diagrams for a 5-sided box
are not explicitly in there, but there is only one angle that is fundamentally
different between the other boxes. You just change it to the correct angle for
a 5-sided figure and, voila!, a 5-sided box!

Jim

> Date:    Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:46:00 -0700
> From:    Glenda Scott <gdscott@OWT.COM>
> Subject: pentagonal box
>
> Has anyone seen directions for folding a pentagonal box?
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Glenda Scott





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:56:04 +1100
Subject: two book enquiries (long)

I don't know how unpopular it makes one to continually aks questions about
particular books, but as this mailing list is the only resource I know of
where you can get honest answers to your origami book questions, I will
have be a pain :}.

Whilst flicking through the online bookstores I came across two book which
caught my eye. The first was by Akira Yoshizawa, translated as
"Compilation of Masterworks by Akira Yoahizawa" ISBN 4916096312.

I currently own Creative Origami & Origami Museum I, and I enjoy both
immensely.
The character and life that his models posess just awe me at times. The
simplicity of his models, and the encouraging words he has to
offer with each diagram have given me confidence to modify and 'play' with
his creations, even arranging mini-displays to try and emmulate the lovely
photographs included in each of his books.

As you can imagine I am sorely tempted to purchase the aforementioned
book, though I generally like to hear the opinions of others who are more
knowledgeable than myself before making this large a financial
committment. Specific questions I have include:
* is it true that the models included are previously unpublished?
* how would the book rate in people's Yoshizawa collection, especially
when compared to the other two books I own.

Any other comments are of course welcome and appreciated.

I was also intrigued by the book simply titled "The Mask" by Tomoko
Fuse (no ISBN) found at Origami House and Fascinating Folds. How many
masks would be included in this book, and what range of difficulty would
you give it?

If I do go ahead with these purchases I hope to write a book review for
the list, thereby giving back some of what I take.

Kindest regards,

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:21:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Foil Backed Fabric

Martin,

My address again is   Judy Pagnusat
                                        714 w. School St.
                                         Cotati, CA 94931

Thanks,

Judy

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From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 06:50:42 +0100
Subject: Re: Foil Backed Fabric

That's what I had --- this is copied from your original request

Judy Pagnusat
714 W. School St
Cotati, CA 94931
Unfortunately, we used usmail and can't trace the package.

>Martin,
>
>My address again is   Judy Pagnusat
>                                        714 w. School St.
>                                         Cotati, CA 94931
>
>Thanks,
>
>Judy
>
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