




From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:44:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans
At 01:32 PM 10/19/1998 -0200, Carlos wrote:
>>>From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
>>>
>>>Uh, there is no gamecock with seven claws, in Origami Omnibus, or any other
     book that I know of. Can you please clarify this? I don't believe there is
     a rhino either.
>>>
>>>Unless new models have been added to the reprint??
>Hi, John
>
>You're partially right about the gamecock: there's a developmental plan
>with three claws, and a challenge to create a four-clawed one.
<snip>

Sorry, I didn't read the original email closely enough.

It's early for me, and I haven't had my coffee yet. :-)

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:09:14 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Book bindings

In a message dated 10/15/98 6:00:07 AM, you wrote:

<<has a very tight binding that makes it hard to use the book
>without breaking the binding. I would almost consider buying
>another copy if the new edition has an "easier-to-use" binding.>>

To help prevent this from any book, when you first receive a book the binding
should be "seasoned".  This is much easier to show than describe.
Lay the book with spine down on the table (all the pages are perpendicular).
Open the cover and gently run your fingers along the spine all the while the
pages are perpendicular to the spine and the table..  Do the same with the
back cover.  Then taking only a few (less than 10) pages from the front, open
them and press along the spine, continue alternately from the front and then
the back till the whole book has been seasoned.  You should end up with the
book open on the table about half way. Do a final press on the center. Hope
this helps.

Barbara





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:31:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Book bindings

Barbara wrote about "seasoning" a book binding:
>. . . Open the cover and gently run your fingers along the spine all the
while
>the pages are perpendicular to the spine and the table..  Do the same with
the
>back cover.  Then taking only a few (less than 10) pages from the front,
open
>them and press along the spine, continue alternately from the front and
then
>the back till the whole book has been seasoned.  . . .

This helped my copy of OFTC---I finally ending up doing it one page
at a time. So, maybe, now if I get one of those cookbook holders
it will hold the book open for me. This binding is totally inappropriate
for an origami book. (For any book actually, in my opinion.) It's not
the only one with the problem, just one of the most popular.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:38:31 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami Book Review

Someone asked about a book review source.  I am not sure how I got into this
but the following is what is on the bottom of a page I printed off.  Good
luck.
Barbara

Try >       ftp:/home.yosemite.net/home/slider/Origami.txt





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:27:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Caution: OUSA Annual Gift Info

Well, some of us must get more junk mail (regular kind) than
you do Bernie, if you take time to note the stamp, address
label, etc on all your mail :)

Anyway, it would probably help if OUSA would print their logo
or something on the address label. At this time of year every
non-profit organization in the universe is sending out mail...

valerie





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:46:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

>Uh, there is no gamecock with seven claws, in Origami Omnibus, or any other
book that I know of. Can you please clarify this? I don't believe there is a
rhino either.
>

John
Gamecock (with seven! claws) is on page 89 of Origami Omnibus,
the peacock  on page 94 and the rhinoceros is on page 95 how ever there are
not eny step by step directions. which is what the developmental plans are.

>Unless new models have been added to the reprint??

My copy is fifth printing 1992

Hobbit





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:32:28 -0200
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

>>From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
>>
>>Uh, there is no gamecock with seven claws, in Origami Omnibus, or any other
     book that I know of. Can you please clarify this? I don't believe there is
     a rhino either.
>>
>>Unless new models have been added to the reprint??
Hi, John

You're partially right about the gamecock: there's a developmental plan
with three claws, and a challenge to create a four-clawed one. Of course
the "seven-claw" did push the game a little too far.
There's actually a rhino, in DP/partial/finished model forms, beside
a peacock. Look for it next to the T.rex model, near chapter 3.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

P.S. I'm writing what I remember from the original OO, I haven't seen
the new edition.





From: Jason C Troye <troyejas@PILOT.MSU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:42:02 -0400
Subject: Yoda

Could anyone tell me if there is a diagram of Kawahata's Yoda on the web?
If not, where could I find the Tanteidan Convention 3 book?
Thanks,
Jason C. Troye
troyejas@pilot.msu.edu





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:45:55 -0400
Subject: Kawasaki's Rose Images.

I have folded a few of Kawasaki's Rose from the now reprinted book
Origami for the Connoisseur, and put the photos up on my web site:
http://www.pgh.net/~dwp/origami/Origami.html
then see the roses link at the end of the galleries list.

I used a "paper" known as ColorMesh, it is a rayon fabric, not paper
really, though it is packaged and sold as Origami Paper.  Not
appropriate for all models, but it gives the rose a cool look.
Hopefully some of that cool look will come across in the photos.  Sorry
about the yucky thumbnails, the real photos are better.

Enjoy,
        -D'gou





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:24:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose Images.

How well does this fabric hold together?  From the pictures, it looks like
the calyx and rose might straighten out again with time.  the pictures are
beautiful, though and the mesh folding gives the rose a unique look and feel
(uh, from looking at it...)

Keropi
Keropi@vt.edu

-----Original Message-----
Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 2:48 PM

>I have folded a few of Kawasaki's Rose from the now reprinted book
>Origami for the Connoisseur, and put the photos up on my web site:
>http://www.pgh.net/~dwp/origami/Origami.html
>then see the roses link at the end of the galleries list.
>
>I used a "paper" known as ColorMesh, it is a rayon fabric, not paper
>really, though it is packaged and sold as Origami Paper.  Not
>appropriate for all models, but it gives the rose a cool look.
>Hopefully some of that cool look will come across in the photos.  Sorry
>about the yucky thumbnails, the real photos are better.
>
>Enjoy,
>        -D'gou





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:33:44 +0200
Subject: Folding from developmental plans

I might have learned something in last three years after all, as I
just finished the gamecock (with seven! claws) from Origami Omnibus.
Before that I managed to fold peacock and rhinoceros from the same
book, and (drumroll, please) the extraterrestial being from Origami
for the Connoisseur.  All using only the crease pattern and picture of
the final model.

I haven't yet decided whether folding from crease patterns is fun or
not, so I would like to know if there are other books containing
developmental plans for models.

--
Jorma "slowly developing" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cyrille_Pr=E9aux?= <cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:41:38 +0200
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

>so I would like to know if there are other books containing
>developmental plans for models.
>

hi ,

this is my come back on this list : one year alone :-( imagine

particular salutation to Roberto Morassi...if he is still here

well, my message :

can someone help me to understand what is "developmental plans "

thanks in advance...

cyrille





From: Jansill@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:06:15 -0400 (
Subject: And More Yoda

Hello,

Speaking of Yoda..I saw a very nice Origami Yoda with diagrams months back,
but I lost all the info. Can anyone suggest which site may have had a Yoda on
it?? I'd be interested in any of them.

Thanks
As ever,
Jay

Jay Ansill
Jansill@AOL.com
http://www.fortissimo.org/artists/Ansill
There's no money in poetry, but there is no poetry in money either. Robert
Graves





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:29:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose Images.

Keropi wrote:

> How well does this fabric hold together?  From the pictures, it looks like
> the calyx and rose might straighten out again with time.  the pictures are
> beautiful, though and the mesh folding gives the rose a unique look and feel
> (uh, from looking at it...)

Actually, the fabric is stiff so the feel is on the rough side.  Folding
it is interesting because crease lines disappear when you unfold it, so
reference lines/marks are not obvious to find by sight.

As to it holding together....  The rose is only a few weeks old, but
that model locks rather well, there isn't much "give" for the paper to
open up.  Its hard to explain, but if you know the model, you know that
the folding and the resulting tension doesn't give it much chance to
unfold, except maybe the final lock on the bottom.  The mesh is rough
enough that so far it hasn't moved, the friction has held it quite well
against the force of unfolding. ... Joseph's Calyx is based on the bird
base, so it is possible that at the ends of the leaves, the bottom layer
would open out, but I think the pleats would create sufficient
resistance to that.

Joseph had some of this "paper" at the '97 convention, and I made two of
his snowflakes from it, though I only kept one for myself.  A year later
(this past spring) I put the snowflake into an exhibit.  When I took it
out of storage to prepare it for display, it had gotten a bit puffy.
Not unfolded, but definitely relaxed and puffy.

I did use a slightly larger sheet for the Calyx than Joseph calls for.
I had to shorten the central spike on the Calyx as a result...

If anyone thinks to, ask me again in 6 months or so, and I'll give an
update on how well it has stayed folded.

-D'gou





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:21:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Book Review

At 17:22 98/10/19 -0700, Pat Slider wrote:
>>Try >       ftp:/home.yosemite.net/home/slider/Origami.txt
>
>This was my pseudo-FAQ. Essentially just a collection of quotes from the
>mailing list. But I think it is gone now. (Sorry, never got around to doing
>the promised web pages due to a death in the family and a baby and...well,
>you get the picture. Now I have other ideas for some more personal webpages
>combining papermaking and origami and bookhounding....But don't hold your
>breadth :->.)

Oh, it's still there. I still refer people to it.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:22:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Yoda

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Jason C Troye wrote:

> Could anyone tell me if there is a diagram of Kawahata's Yoda on the web?
> If not, where could I find the Tanteidan Convention 3 book?

Try http://www.sasugabooks.com

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:22:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Book Review

>Date:    Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:38:31 EDT
>From:    Barbra0336@AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: Origami Book Review
>
>Someone asked about a book review source.  I am not sure how I got into this
>but the following is what is on the bottom of a page I printed off.  Good
>luck.
>Barbara
>
>Try >       ftp:/home.yosemite.net/home/slider/Origami.txt

This was my pseudo-FAQ. Essentially just a collection of quotes from the
mailing list. But I think it is gone now. (Sorry, never got around to doing
the promised web pages due to a death in the family and a baby and...well,
you get the picture. Now I have other ideas for some more personal webpages
combining papermaking and origami and bookhounding....But don't hold your
breadth :->.)

I do have the original document somewhere and lots of additional info it
add. I'll try to finish it as "Book FAQ" and put it in the archives this
week.  Failing that, I'll go ahead and put the old version up in the
archives.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:23:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Yoda

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

> A related question: Does anyone of you know how many fingers Yoda has?
> Kawahata's Yoda has four finger, but on the photos I could only count
> three fingers.

He has three fingers... and a thumb :).

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:21:01 +0200
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

Cyrille,
At 15.41 19/10/1998 +0200, you wrote:

>this is my come back on this list : one year alone :-( imagine

Welcome back, Soldier Cyrille !!! I hope you had unsubscribed the list or
set it to Postpone, in the meantime....... :-)
>
>particular salutation to Roberto Morassi...if he is still here

Should I be somewhere else ????  <:-)

(oh, well..... I've been in Lyon a couple of times, during your
"holidays".... )

Ciao !
Roberto





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:47:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by Origami List

"Uh, there is no gamecock with seven claws, in Origami Omnibus, or any
other book that I know of. Can you please clarify this? I don't believe
there is a rhino either.

Unless new models have been added to the reprint??"

-------------------- End Original Message --------------------

        As has already been pointed out, both are indeed in the book (the
gamecock on p. 89 and the rhino on p. 94-5).  Both can be folded similar to
the _Tyrannosaurus_ on pp. 90-93...compare the folding maps of both to the
one of the _Tyrannosaurus_ on p. 93.  Getting to Step 9 of the
_Tyrannosaurus_ is a good starting point for both!

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

                     Jerry D. Harris
                 Fossil Preparation Lab
          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
                 Phone:  (505) 899-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2866
               102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:57:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Book Review Addendum

Just checked. Actually the old page is still there. But the correct URL is
as follows:

ftp://home.yosemite.net/home/slider/

The one previously posted was missing a backslash.

Should be accessible from any browser even if you can't get at it from your
email software.

I'll still work on putting a complete, improved version up ASAP.

pat slider.





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:25:58 +0200
Subject: Re: Yoda

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Jason C Troye wrote:
> Could anyone tell me if there is a diagram of Kawahata's Yoda on the web?

Not Kawahata's Yoda, but Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon's Yoda can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4800/.

> If not, where could I find the Tanteidan Convention 3 book?

Kawahata's Yoda is also published in the BOS Spring Convention Book 1998
(Birmingham), which might or might not be easier to obtain for you.

A related question: Does anyone of you know how many fingers Yoda has?
Kawahata's Yoda has four finger, but on the photos I could only count
three fingers.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:00:52 -0500
Subject: new model

Howdy,

Got a new model on the webpage, by Anita S. Barbour (I lost your
e-mail address) and it is of a pumpkin, not a jack'o'lantern, a
pumpkin!  I hope you all enjoy the model.

Anita, E-mail me! I lost your E-mail address.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:12:55 +0000 (
Subject: Re: Caution: OUSA Annual Gift Info

On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:27:30 -0700, Pat Slider
<slider@STONECUTTER.COM> wrote:

>I almost put it in the pile of doomed junk mail thinking it was another
>renewal notice....

Me too. Luckily I was in a letter-opening mood that day :) But I
remember it came in a museum envelope last year, too. I just didn't
remember that until I saw this year's envelope :))) Definitely should
mark it in some way. Maybe a rubber stamp with the OUSA logo?
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:26:12 -0400 (
Subject: Colormesh "paper" (was Re: Kawasaki's Rose Images.)

> I used a "paper" known as ColorMesh, it is a rayon fabric, not paper
> really, though it is packaged and sold as Origami Paper.  Not
> appropriate for all models, but it gives the rose a cool look.

Aloha y'all,

I was just given an AITOH's catalog, and it lists the ColorMesh
paper under the AITOH brand, so there's at least one source for it.
That might help if you try to special order it. Any others?

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:56:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Bibliography

John Smith wrote, a little while ago (though an eon on the internet):

( His Web Site is:
http://www.paston.co.uk/users/jon.pure/bitsofsmith.htm )

> Please look in, you are most welcome. There are many other items of interest
> to folders, even some Haiku.

Indeed... there is a treasure trove here.  Thanks for making it
available!

-Doug





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:57:47 +0200
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

On 19-Oct-98, John Marcolina (jmarcoli@CISCO.COM) wrote:

>Uh, there is no gamecock with seven claws, in Origami Omnibus, or any
>other book that I know of. Can you please clarify this? I don't believe
>there is a rhino either.

Gamecock on page 89, seven claws as the right foot has three claws as
shown in DP and left one having four as challenged. Call it a mute :)

Rhinoceros is on pages 94-95, as is peacock.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:39:09 +0200
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

On 19-Oct-98, Cyrille Praux (cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM) wrote:

>can someone help me to understand what is "developmental plans "

There are no step folds, only a crease map of a model base, maybe a
picture of the base, and a picture of the finished model.  Crease map
and base also show which part of paper is used for which part of
model.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:50:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Colormesh "paper" (was Re: Kawasaki's Rose Images.)

Kenneth Kawamura indited:

> I was just given an AITOH's catalog, and it lists the ColorMesh
> paper under the AITOH brand, so there's at least one source for it.
> That might help if you try to special order it. Any others?

I got it from Fascinating Folds (http://www.fascinating-folds.com/).
They carry it in three sizes:  5 7/8inch, 7 inch, and 9 3/4inch!

If only it were available in rolls... but I'd probably be one of about
only three people to want it that way.

I just checked the OUSA site (http://www.origami-usa.org/) and Kim's
Crane (http://www.kimscrane.com/), but they aren't showing it (yet, I
presume like such supplies, "The Big Three" will all eventually have
it).

-Doug





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:02:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Colormesh "paper" (was Re: Kawasaki's Rose Images.)

Thanks for the bait Doug, I had to bit on this one!  Yes, Kim's Crane does
carry the mesh paper in three sizes as many can attest who purchased it at
the Southeastern Origami Festival.  We just have not yet had the time to
put this and many other products on our site.  The 6" (15 cm) is $5.50,
the 7" (18cm) is $6.75, and the 9 3/4" (24 cm) is $11.00.    I agree
having it on rolls would be nice. I will keep my eyes open - : )

Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane

Doug Philips wrote:

> Kenneth Kawamura indited:
>
> > I was just given an AITOH's catalog, and it lists the ColorMesh
> > paper under the AITOH brand, so there's at least one source for it.
> > That might help if you try to special order it. Any others?
>
> I got it from Fascinating Folds (http://www.fascinating-folds.com/).
> They carry it in three sizes:  5 7/8inch, 7 inch, and 9 3/4inch!
>
> If only it were available in rolls... but I'd probably be one of about
> only three people to want it that way.
>
> I just checked the OUSA site (http://www.origami-usa.org/) and Kim's
> Crane (http://www.kimscrane.com/), but they aren't showing it (yet, I
> presume like such supplies, "The Big Three" will all eventually have
> it).
>
> -Doug





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:46:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Fav. Halloween Models

With barely over a week to go, its time to FOLD FOLD FOLD!

Dorothy Engleman inquired as to favorite Halloween origami.
Since we don't have a conventionally agreed upon plural, I will presume
that the plural and singular are the same:  origami.  One model is
origami, two models are origami, etc.  (proof by induction!)

[Sources for models are not definitive lists, just some that I know.]

-Doug
P.S.  I'll put this on the web too, since I'll undoubtably change my
mind when I look into the models others have already mentioned recently.
;-)

Cats:
        Fred Rohm's Halloween Cat  [Yes, this model requires cutting.]
                in Best of Origami
                by Samuel Randlett

        Toshie Takahama's Cat
                in Classic Origami
                by Paul Jackson

Bats:
        Michael LaFosse's Happy, Good Luck Bat
                1995 OUSA Convention book (out of print :-( :-( )
                or his video Happy, Good Luck Bat & Horseshoe Crab
                        (http://www.origamido.com/)

        Tom Hull's Flapping Bat
                in ????

Witches:
        Paul Jackson's Witch on a Broomstick
                in Festive Folding
                by Paul Jackson
                (this model needs a bit of tweaking, but is good
                 as is too, and pretty simple/fast to fold)

        ???'s Witch on a Broomstick (title is a guess)
                in Origami Tanteidan 4th Convention Book
                by ????
                (pages 132-140) complex and cool looking
                        (saw one folded by a co-worker and co-folder,
                        haven't folded it myself yet)





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:19:19 -0400
Subject: Littleton, MA (USA) Origami Group Meeting 27 October 1998

Hi,

Just a reminder, the Littleton Origami Group meets the last Tuesday of the
month (Oct. 27th).  We'll be meeting in the "Listening Room" this week  -- all
the other rooms were in use.  It's a tiny room to the left of the main entrance
-- near the fiction section.  Warning: the room only seats 4 so it's elbow room
only.  Maybe we can play records while we fold to make it less cramped or
practice folding in the air??  :-)

Looking forward to seeing you next Tuesday; I'll bring a shoehorn!

Kristine

When: Tuesday,  27 October 1998, 7:00 - 9:00.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.  This
intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic lights.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A West)
 toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 119
    West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is
    a right hand fork -- this is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other entrance
to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite
Badger Funeral home. The sign says Town Offices.

There's parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:29:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Fav. Halloween Models

 Doug Philips lists Michael LaFosse's Happy, Good Luck Bat as one of his
favorite Halloween models. Please note that diagrams are also available,
thanks to Alex Barber, at:
http://www.the-village.com/origami/diagram.html

-Jane





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:35:52 -0400
Subject: Halloween Special Model!

Hello all!

I love Halloween.  And seeing Doug "I luv my hog" Phillips
mention my Flapping Bat model as one of his faves, well, it
got me all teary-eyed.

Thus, I've put diagrams for this model on my web page.  They're
crude GIF files that I hope everyone can read.  (I'm not savvy
on that PDF stuff.)

You can get to them via my home page:

http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull

Happy Halloween!  DOn't let the bats scare you!

---- Tom "bla! bla!" Hull
     Merrimack College
     thull@merrimack.edu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:46:27 -0700
Subject: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

Well, after much nagging, the diagrams for my "Eastern dragon" are finally
available. There's a link to it directly from my home page. The URL in
question is <http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca>.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:42:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Wet-Folded, and two different colors...

At 20:37 98/10/20 -0400, Carmine Di Chiara wrote:
>I've been wondering how to make a wet-folded model that has a different
>color on each side. For example, several of the models in David Brill's
>_Brilliant Origami_ appear to be wetfolded and duo-colored. What paper is
>he using? Is this an example of backcoated paper? If it is backcoated
>paper, won't the fixative dissolve when it's wet, causing the two papers
>to separate? Is instead the paper painted beforehand or afterwards?
>
>I haven't finished searching the archive, so please excuse me if this has
>been documented in the past.

Backcoat using methyl cellulose (book binder's paste), let dry, and the wet
fold not with water but with more methyl cellulose.
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w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: LLATM@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:52:39 -0400 (
Subject: Butterfly diagrams/OUSA Annual Gift

Hi everyone,

Aside from the fact that I almost did not open the envelope, I realized that
the Alice Gray butterfly diagrams I received have the instructions up until
step 14 on one side. I turned the paper over to continue, and the instructions
are repeated in the back again up to step 14.
I could not finish the butterfly!
Did this happen to anyone else?
If not, where could I find the complete diagrams?

Thanks,

Leyla Torres





From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:37:37 -0400
Subject: Wet-Folded, and two different colors...

Hello,

I've been wondering how to make a wet-folded model that has a different
color on each side. For example, several of the models in David Brill's
_Brilliant Origami_ appear to be wetfolded and duo-colored. What paper is
he using? Is this an example of backcoated paper? If it is backcoated
paper, won't the fixative dissolve when it's wet, causing the two papers
to separate? Is instead the paper painted beforehand or afterwards?

I haven't finished searching the archive, so please excuse me if this has
been documented in the past.

Thanks for your help,

Carmine

---------
Carmine Di Chiara
cadichia@mit.edu
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:07:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams
Joseph Wu wrote:

> Well, after much nagging, the diagrams for my "Eastern dragon" are finally
> available. There's a link to it directly from my home page. The URL in
> question is <http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca>.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------

YES!!!! Success!!! Do we start nagging him about the turtle now???

Thank you for diagramming and making your Eastern Dragon available to
everyone.

Perry
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:42:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Puss

Dear friends,

I have recieved from a friend a copy of Fred Rohms Puss in Boots Diagrams.
Frankly I don't know if they are held anywhere under copyright.  I know fred
has passed on, I'm not too sure about his spouse.  I do know the BOS has
several of his diagrams in thier publications.  is there any one who can
tell me whether or not it would be proper to post these diagrams. One of my
friends gave me the following input.

>   I suggest you query
> the list on the ownership of Puss's diagrams.  BOS published some of
> Fred's designs.  Perhaps Penny Groom, BOS's secretary who is on the list
> will know. Or maybe OrigamiUSA.
>
> I suspect the diagrams were Fred's and that it will be OK for you to put
> them up on your web page.  But I think it's a good idea to try to
> ascertain ownership before publishing them.

I will wait for 30 days before I put them on the web, then if there is no
protest, I will upload them to the main Origami Diagrams site in the
netherlands (ftp://rugcis.nl/origami/index/)  I would put them on my site,
but they don't belong to me, they belong to everyone, especially as Fred is
no longer with us.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:52:32 +0200
Subject: Re: Fav. Halloween Models

On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Doug Philips wrote:
> Bats:
>         Michael LaFosse's Happy, Good Luck Bat
>                 1995 OUSA Convention book (out of print :-( :-( )
>                 or his video Happy, Good Luck Bat & Horseshoe Crab
>                         (http://www.origamido.com/)

Just for the record, you can also get this one from
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/luckbat.ps.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Julie Rhodes <kettir@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:13:47 +0000 (
Subject: Useful Origami

I only a lowly "folder" myself--I use diagrams of creations by other
people.  I haven't touched my books for quite a long time other than making
origami for Christmas wrapping and so on, but lately I decided to get back
into it and now I'm finding lots of great stuff on the Net, including this
newsgroup.

I love the creative stuff, but I also like the useful origami, such as
placecard holders, cups, boxes, bags, hats, napkin rings, and other great
things you can do with paper.  (I make my living with paper, you might
say--I'm a secretary.)  Today I did a Carryout Bag with handles made from
an 8"x4" piece of paper, but what I really want is a regular-size "paper
lunch bag".  I'd like to be able to whip one up whenever I need it instead
of buying them.  Anybody got one of these?

Also, I'd like a fairly easy dragon with wings.  I know that's a tall order
but the ones I've seen on the websites so far are rather difficult for me
in that most online diagrams either don't have instructions suitable for
someone at my level, or the instructions say "now fold this back here" and
don't really show how you get there.  I usually figure it out, but some of
these are tough!

Thanks for any help on these two requests.





From: DRAPY1@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 03:34:57 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

Thank you much, Joseph.  Very generous & gracious of you.

dana r





From: Dave Brill <davebrill@WORTHHALL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:06:05 +0100
Subject: Wet-Folded, and two different colors...Brilly's response

Dear All

Guess it's time for me to re-emerge from the shadows and try to answer
this: am not sure which models Carmine is thinking about: perhaps if you
let me know I can try and remember which paper I used.

I'm not a fan of back-coating as it seems to me to be straying a little
too far away from my purist ideals...I really prefer to use paper which
is already available since for me the greatest attaction of origami is
(and always has been) that it doesn't need any great preparation, it's
just you and the paper. However rules are meant for bending!

 A lot of the paper I used the models in the photos for Brilliant
Origami was acquired during visits to Japan, so I may not be able to be
too specific about exact names for the types of paper. However I'm a
great believer in experimentation in finding the best paper for the
design in question: there's so much choice everywhere!

Just to let you all know that I enjoy reading the entries to this list
and it's usually part of my "waking-up process" early in the morning.

Favourite comments seen recently include:

"What's the difference between a mountain and valley fold? "

"I didn't get to meet Tomoko Fuse because I went to lunch..."

Hope to see lots of you at meetings somewhere in the world: I'm off to
Stockholm tomorrow, and am also greatly looking forward to the CDO
celebrations in Castel San Pietro.

Yours

Dave Brill

davebrill@worthhall.demon.co.uk





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:36:29 +0900
Subject: Re: Fav. Halloween Models

Doug wrote:
> Witches:
>         ???'s Witch on a Broomstick (title is a guess)
>                 in Origami Tanteidan 4th Convention Book
>                 by ????
>                 (pages 132-140) complex and cool looking
>                         (saw one folded by a co-worker and co-folder,
>                         haven't folded it myself yet)

The title is write.
It is designed by Miyajima Noboru.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  We can rather cast blank votes than keep away from polls.  *
*    _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/                                     *
*   _/ HATORI Koshiro _/      hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp           *
*  _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/   http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/  *





From: Renata Fontenelle <ren@NLINK.COM.BR>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:43:41 -0300
Subject: Looking for Black Belt....

Hi all,

Some months ago someone from the list contacted me for my snail address so
they could send me a copy of the diagrams for their creation, a human
figure black belt. I have recently changed computers and with the old one
went all my old messages and addresses. So if you're out there still (you
were a couple if I remember well, and from Britain, I think), forgive me
but I have forgotten your name (s). I still have not received your
correspondence.

Thanks again,

Renata Fontenelle





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:16:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

I too would like to thank you,  Joseph for the diagrams to fold the
Eastern Dragon (my favorite dragon).  I wanted to take your course at
OUSA in 1998 but just did not think I could finish the model in the
allotted time.  Many thanks again!
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:03:58 -0400
Subject: Re: thanks

Joseph,
About time!!!
Hobbit





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:44:35 -0400
Subject: Useful Origami (Dragons)

Perry Bailey has some mythical beasts that
are good for less experienced folders.

(Perry, don't you have a dragon that's easier
than your flapping wing model? I thought I
remembered one or two?)

valerie





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

yes yes ! nag Joseph about his turtle or whatever;
that will cut down on the nagging I get about the
MRC diagrams....
:)
valerie





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:02:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

Valerie Vann wrote:

> yes yes ! nag Joseph about his turtle or whatever;
> that will cut down on the nagging I get about the
> MRC diagrams....

Actually, I have volunteered to do diagrams for Joseph's Turtle, so
rightly, I am the one to be nagged about that.  I'm hoping to have them
finished and approved by Joseph by early December at the latest.
They'll be announced when they are ready.

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:09:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Puss

Perry Bailey wrote:

> I have recieved from a friend a copy of Fred Rohms Puss in Boots Diagrams.
> Frankly I don't know if they are held anywhere under copyright.  I know fred
> has passed on, I'm not too sure about his spouse.  I do know the BOS has
> several of his diagrams in thier publications.  is there any one who can
> tell me whether or not it would be proper to post these diagrams. One of my
> friends gave me the following input.

> I will wait for 30 days before I put them on the web, then if there is no
> protest, I will upload them to the main Origami Diagrams site in the
> netherlands (ftp://rugcis.nl/origami/index/)  I would put them on my site,
> but they don't belong to me, they belong to everyone, especially as Fred is
> no longer with us.

Thanks for asking instead of just putting them out there.

Puss in Boots appears in (at least) "The Flapping Bird" a book published
by Magic, Inc.  (I don't think they are on the web, but who knows!).

It depends on who holds the copyright on the particular diagrams you
have.  If they were Fred's own diagrams, then his _estate_ has controll
over them and would be the people to contact (I have no idea how to, or
even who they are).

Since BOS has released booklets of Fred's sketches/diagrams, the
question is whether they acquired exclusive rights to them or not.
Hopefully someone from BOS can pipe in with an answer on that.

-D'gou





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:07:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

At 12:02 98/10/21 -0400, Doug Philips wrote:
>Valerie Vann wrote:
>> yes yes ! nag Joseph about his turtle or whatever;
>> that will cut down on the nagging I get about the
>> MRC diagrams....

Actually, I get many requests for that model. Diagram it already! 8)

>Actually, I have volunteered to do diagrams for Joseph's Turtle, so
>rightly, I am the one to be nagged about that.  I'm hoping to have them
>finished and approved by Joseph by early December at the latest.
>They'll be announced when they are ready.

You, too, Doug! 8)

Another note: I'm changing ISP's right now, so the web site may be
intermittently out of service. Please be patient for the next few days.
Thanks.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:09:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Halloween Special Model!

Tom,

Down loaded and folded your bat.  I enjoyed it and plan to share it with
my club tonight.

Thanks,

Judy

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From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:22:17 -0400
Subject: Looking for "The Magic Paper"

I was folding, for the first time, Chirs Palmers Flower Tower thingy. And I
noticed something when I finished, mine looked a bit ;-) different from
his. Oh, I'd done all the precreasing and collapsing fine - but something
was just different. I'm guessing SOME of it was a difference in skill level
(perhaps even a BIG "some" ;-). But I also noticed that despite relatively
careful handling mine (from kami) looked crumpled where as his did not. So
the question is - what is a good paper to use when you are going to be
doing lots of precreasing? Velum comes to mind (I haven't tried it yet but
from what I can tell from watching the video that isn't what Chris was
using).The paper Chris used (in the video) bent a lot but didn't crumple,
it held a crease well and when he did make the crease he didn't have to
press or pinch hard (as you would with elephant hide) to make the crease.
Any ideas?

Jeff Kerwood





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:00:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Yoda (NO)

Here are some Yoda Links for Pictures.

A good shot of Yodas Hand http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8154/JULEYODA.JPG

An .avi with Yoda on Luke's Back
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kocevski/jediuses.avi 1.3mb it will take a
few.

A funny severed Yoda Head hehe http://arex.com/~ldn/yoda.gif

Yet another severed Yoda Head
http://galoob.com/images/MMSPACE/SWTransHeads/SmallHeads/Yoda.GIF

A painting with good hand detail
http://bozo.lpl.arizona.edu/seds/expansion/yoda2.gif

YodaSpiderMan? http://club.in-touch.net/home/raveinfo/yoda2.gif

A rare closeup of Yoda's Feet http://home.onestop.net/darklord/yoda.jpg
Sexy !

The check is in the mail, I never saw that guy before in my life, and I
SWEAR I'll have her home before midnight.

B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:23 PM

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

> A related question: Does anyone of you know how many fingers Yoda has?
> Kawahata's Yoda has four finger, but on the photos I could only count
> three fingers.

He has three fingers... and a thumb :).

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:30:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Halloween Special Model!

Tom Hull indited:

> You can get to them via my home page:
>
> http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull
>
> Happy Halloween!  DOn't let the bats scare you!

Thanks Tom!!

-D'gou





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:34:30 +0100
Subject: Paper airplane

Oldie -- September 1930 Popular Science Monthly had an article on a rubber
powered flying model completely made of writing paper.

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:22:58 -0500
Subject: Re: "long-mouth/nose" weevel diagrams?

There is also a WEEVIL, and ASPARAGUS BEETLE  in "Origami Sculptures" by Jon
Montroll which may be similar to what you want both have elongated Heads.

A variant of the Weevil called Ground Beetle also appears in Origami for the
ConneSEWER (if I'm gonna butcher the spelling . . . it might as well be
good).

The check is in the mail, I never saw that guy before in my life, and I
SWEAR I'll have her home before midnight.
B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Andrew Daw [mailto:andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK]
                Sent:   Friday, October 16, 1998 3:27 AM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Re: "long-mouth/nose" weevel diagrams?

                > Does anyone know whether there are diagrams or origami
model pictures for a
                > "long-mouth/nose" weevel (sp.?)?  I recently caught one of
these and thought
                <snip>
                The nearest you will get, as far as I know, is the
'Long-Necked Seed Bug' by
                Robert Lang (Origami Insects and Their Kin).  You can have a
look at a picture
                I have found on the web at:
                http://www.io.com/~rueger/origami/insects/longnecked.html

                Andrew Daw





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:25:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Wet-Folded, and two different colors...Brilly's response

Hi, Dave !
Welcome back.

At 08.06 21/10/1998 +0100, you wrote:

>Just to let you all know that I enjoy reading the entries to this list
>and it's usually part of my "waking-up process" early in the morning.

Good for you. I suppose that most "listers" use to read these entries as a
part of their "sleeping-down process" late in the evening....
:-)

>and am also greatly looking forward to the CDO
>celebrations in Castel San Pietro.

We know, we know..... I "may" be there, too....

Ciao !
Roberto





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:28:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

Roger that,

Thanks for the warning, I thought I was having DNS problems on this end.
Your page is like old faithful and I use it to test.

The check is in the mail, I never saw that guy before in my life, and I
SWEAR I'll have her home before midnight.
B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Joseph Wu [mailto:josephwu@ULTRANET.CA]
                Sent:   Wednesday, October 21, 1998 5:08 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

                Another note: I'm changing ISP's right now, so the web site
may be
                intermittently out of service. Please be patient for the
next few days.
                Thanks.





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:33:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

I have made the peacock from the DP.

It was fun for a puzzle, but I still prefer step by steps.

I would like to know how you did the ET model though.

I have been trying that one for a while and never can get it right.

The check is in the mail, I never saw that guy before in my life, and I
SWEAR I'll have her home before midnight.
B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Jorma Oksanen [mailto:tenu@SCI.FI]
                Sent:   Tuesday, October 20, 1998 6:39 AM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Re: Folding from developmental plans

                On 19-Oct-98, Cyrille Praux
(cyrille.preaux@ACCESINTERNET.COM) wrote:

                >can someone help me to understand what is "developmental
plans "

                There are no step folds, only a crease map of a model base,
maybe a
                picture of the base, and a picture of the finished model.
Crease map
                and base also show which part of paper is used for which
part of
                model.

                --
                Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

                Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: JacAlArt@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:09:35 -0400 (
Subject: New diagrams at...

New diagrams for a high-intermediate Tic-tac-Toe board with game pieces.
Created, diagrammed, and uploaded by Alec Fehl.

Click Here: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/jacalart/private/origami.htm">~
Welcome to Alecs Pages - Graphic Design & Or</A>

(http://members.aol.com/jacalart/private/origami.htm)

~Alec





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:14:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon Diagrams

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From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:19:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Useful Origami (Dragons)

Valerie Vann wrote:

> Perry Bailey has some mythical beasts that
> are good for less experienced folders.
>
> (Perry, don't you have a dragon that's easier
> than your flapping wing model? I thought I
> remembered one or two?)

Sorry, but I have got any dragons diagrammed that are easier than

the fire lizard.  I think Ian (forgot your last name) did have
some on his web page.
and there is a dragon that is fairly easy available from either
alex barbers homepage or from the origami diagram repository in
the Netherlands. But I forget the author.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:54:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Wet-Folded, and two different colors...

Thank you for all the responses. David, the models I was referring to are,
There may be others...

I wanted to get the strength, durability and smooth look of wet-folding
with dual colors.

Thanks,

Carmine

---------
Carmine Di Chiara
cadichia@mit.edu
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:11:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Puss
> Puss in Boots appears in (at least) "The Flapping Bird" a book published
> by Magic, Inc.  (I don't think they are on the web, but who knows!).
>

That tells me something.

>
> Hopefully someone from BOS can pipe in with an answer on that.

That was what I was hoping!!  I figure if in 30 days no one can come up with an
objection, I might as well send them on to netherlands.  Though I would dearly
love to know what the true status really is.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:40:30 +0100
Subject: Rohm Rights

Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> sez

>Since BOS has released booklets of Fred's sketches/diagrams, the
>question is whether they acquired exclusive rights to them or not.
>Hopefully someone from BOS can pipe in with an answer on that.

I don't think we have exclusive rights - these remain with the creator
and/or their estate. In the circumstances, I'd have thought limited
releases on the web would be acceptable, provided there was no profit
motive involved. Don't quote me on this when the lawyers arrive though!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:35:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Wet-Folded, and two different colors...

I have tried something called Momigami Genshi Reversible, which I bought
from Kim's Crane. So far the only model I wet-folded from this kind of
paper is my own design. I have not yet done much folding to give it
evaluation/judgement. My folded model, 'Mom Crane and Baby', can be viewed
in either
http://www.erols.com/sychen1/Photo/mcraneb1.jpg
or
http://www.erols.com/sychen1/Photo/mcraneb2.jpg
I would love to hear any further review on this kind of paper.

Sy Chen

At 08:54 PM 10/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Thank you for all the responses. David, the models I was referring to are,
>from memory, "The Three Kings", "Pinocchio", "Gepetto", and "The Witch".
>There may be others...
>
>I wanted to get the strength, durability and smooth look of wet-folding
>with dual colors.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carmine
>
>---------
>Carmine Di Chiara
>cadichia@mit.edu
>        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
>                - Stanislaw Lec





From: Darren Abbey <darren_a@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:49:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Useful Origami (Dragons)

I've got a rather simple dragon design on my home page.   It's only in
postscript format right now, but I could post it in gif or jpeg if you'd
like.   It's at: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~psycho/origami.html
        I've been meaning to update the page, but let me know what you think.
:-)

Valerie Vann wrote:
>
> Perry Bailey has some mythical beasts that
> are good for less experienced folders.
>
> (Perry, don't you have a dragon that's easier
> than your flapping wing model? I thought I
> remembered one or two?)

--
Darren Abbey (darren_a@mail.utexas.edu)
home page :
   http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~psycho/
work in progress :
   http://xenobleps.dorm.utexas.edu/





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:31:51 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Puss in Boots.

In a message received by me on 22nd October, Perry Bailley wrote:

< Puss in Boots appears in (at least) "The Flapping Bird" a book published
  by Magic, Inc.
 <That tells me something.
 < Hopefully someone from BOS can pipe in with an answer on that.>

Well, I'm a member of the BOS and can give a partial answer.

The "Flapping Bird" was a periodical compiled by Sam Randlett and illustrated
by his first wife Jean between 1968 and 1978. It contained no text, but was
merely a collection of diagrams for models drawn by Jean in  the same
immaculate style as her illustrations for Sam's "Art of Origami" and "Best of
Origami". Twenty-five issues of The Flapping Bird appeared. It was intended to
be monthly, but became irregular and came to an end because of Jean's untimely
death. The pages were numbered consecutively throughout the whole series.

"The Flapping Bird" was published by Jay Marshall of Chicago. Jay is the
proprietor of Magic Inc., a magic shop of Chicago. He has been friendly with
the origami movement since the 1950s and is well known to members of CHAOS. I
regret that I don't know whether he or Magic Inc. have an e-mail address.

After the last issue, "The Flapping Bird" was issued as a ring-bound book and
was available from The Friends. I do not know whether it is still in print,
but it ranks with "The Art of Origami" and "The Best of Origami" as essential
books for every paper-folder's library. I collected my own twenty-four
separate issues of "The Flapping Bird" together and had them hard-bound. Then
a long time later a belated and unexpected twenty-fifth issue appeared and I
had to send the book back to the binder for it to be inserted! The ring-bound
edition appeared after that.

Puss in Boots appears on pages 41 to 43 of issue no.7, which has the copyright
date, 1969. The creator of the model was Fred Rohm. The title of the model may
be considered mesisleading. It is not the figure of a cat wearing over-sized
thigh boots in the tradition of the fairy tale and pantomime, but is a small
cat sitting INSIDE a boot. It is, in fact, a typically imaginative Fred Rohm
production.





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:40:14 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Puss in Boots(2)

In case anybody wonders who sent the posting about Puss in Boots a few moments
ago, it was me - er - I,  David Lister.

Sorry I was to fast on the trigger. I should learn to steady up.

DLister891@AOL.com
