




From: Becky Zec <imbz@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:58:22 -0500
Subject: Origami supply site

I'm sure that this is a known site to a lot of you but for those of
you who don't know...here is a web site that has origami papers,
books, kits, etc available.

http://members.xoom.com/fanny_ong/main.htm

Becky Zec
http://home.earthlink.net/~markzec/bekcraft.html





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:10:47 -0400
Subject: Reprinted out-of-print books

Now that OftC and OOmnibus have been reprinted, are there any plans to
reprint any other out-of-print origami books? Like maybe (pant pant)
something by Fujimoto? Is there someone we can write to, to
request/bed/plead/bribe them to reprint more books?

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From: Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:28:05 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

>If you can find one of those plexiglas cookbook holders at a kitchenwares
>store, this is also excellent.  I have always used mine for OFTC, and it
>has held up very well.

Either you're lucky, or I'm not, because my OFTC binding is *so* strong &
springy that my plexiglas cookbook holder can't stay closed with the book in
it.  The clothespin trick works a tad better.  Of course, there's always
buying a copy of the reprint with the deliberate intent of destroying it (I
do this with "beach" copies of fine literature, for example), something I'm
seriously considering doing with both of these books.

-- Jim Puccio





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:41:23 -0400 (
Subject: Meeting at Monmouth County Library

Library on Symmes Rd, Manalapan, N. J.    right after Value City on Rte
9....seven to nine oclock, 10/13/98...Wednesday night.  That's tomorrow
nite......Hope to see you there.  Rob, Oka, Mark, and any others who see
this.....Dorigami





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:12:29 +0900
Subject: Re: moose, moose, moose, moooooooose

> Does anyone know who designed the moose in the 4th convention book?

Kamiya Satoshi designed it. He is a very talented teenage boy.
The diagrams are written by Kawahata Fumiaki.

The model is titled "Reindeer".
I don't know what is the difference between a moose and a reindeer :)





From: Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:03:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!

You wrote:

At 10:01 AM 10/13/98 -0500, Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>  wrote:

>I'm not sure I understand what a mountain-fold is... What to do
>here? I would be very grateful if somebody could help me!

Mountain and valley folds are the basic building blocks of origami. They
are closely related to each other in the sme way that a convex object is
related to a concave object; the two are the same, but just viewed from
opposite ends. When you partially unfold a valley fold, you are left with a
concave "valley." If you were to turn the paper over, you would have a
convex "mountain" like shape. Diagrammers do nopt always tel the folder to
turn the paper over to form a valley fold; often it is a lot easier (and
clearer) to just say make a mountain fold.

Marc

Thanks for the tips! To me it is still a bit unlogic; what dou you call
a fold from right to left!...

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From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:15:45 +0100
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

FOLLOWING

>>If you can find one of those plexiglas cookbook holders at a kitchenwares
>>store, >>this is also excellent.  I have always used mine for OFTC, and
>>it has held up >>very well.(SNIP) and the other letters on this subject
>>...

Spread the word to all Origami publishers --- there is a bookbinding
machine on the market whereby publishers can bind books so they lay
relatively flat. I forget the name of the system --- but can find it if
anyone is interested. The machines are expensive --- but lots of binderies
have them.

I developed a competitive system years ago which would allow any existing
bindery to achieve the same effect by switching the adhesive in their
existing machines to another easily obtainable adhesive --- with no cost
penalty. We called them "pancake brand books". Unfortunately, I used the
system for some time in my small printing business and did not apply for a
patent -- so I can't figure out how to profitably get it on the market now.

You can see information on the books we were producing and selling at
<<<http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc/pancake.html#PANCAKE(tm) BRAND BLANK
BOOKS>>>
We are no longer selling these --- but we do have a few samples left over
which I would be happy to trade one-to-one for Origami boxes. Let me know
if you are interested offline.

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:36:46 -0500
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

>>PS for users of the first edition: If you clip a full-sized clothespin
>>to both the left and right sides of the open book, they will do a
>>reasonably good job of holding it open.

Another idea:

Someone I know took her copy of Fuse's Unit Origami to Kinko's (a
photocopying business) and had it spiral bound. I believe they cut off
the gum binding so the pages were loose. This does not work for those who
care about the integrity of the book, of course, but at least the pages
will stay together and lie flat.

-Jane





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:47:08 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC

English!  So I have some hope of following the directions correctly....

Sonia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dorothy Engleman [SMTP:FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:38 PM
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: The New OFTC
>
> Does anyone know in what language the new OFTC was published?
>
> Dorothy





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:21:42 -0500
Subject: Re: moose, moose, moose, moooooooose

Hatori Koshiro wrote:
>I don't know what is the difference between a moose and a reindeer :)

FIrst, thank you for the information on Kamiya Satoshi's Reindeer. I will
write it into my Tanteidan 4th Convention book.

I have just looked up moose and reindeer in my encyclopedia.

Reindeer are European and both males and females have antlers, which seem
to be branch like. Reindeer are considered to be the same species as the
caribou of North America. They weigh about 250 lbs (115 kg). Their fur is
shades of beige.

Moose are American. They also occur in Europe and Asia, where they are
called elk. Only males have antlers, which tend to be large and flat. The
animals are massive, weighing up to 1,820 lbs (825 kg). They are dark
brown.

That said, Kamiya Satoshi's Reindeer has color changes that correspond
very well with the coloration of the actual animal, and looks like a
beautiful model.

-Jane





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:18:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!

At 08:03 AM 10/14/98 -0500, Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC> wrote:
>
>Thanks for the tips! To me it is still a bit unlogic; what dou you call
>a fold from right to left!...

The diriction of the fold is not an issue. Try this example. Start with a
square, white side up. Fold the paper in half any way you like (left to
right, right to left, along the diagonal, ect.). If the result is a
coloured "model," then you have performed a valley fold. If the result is a
white "model," you have formed a mountain fold. Try it.

Marc





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:44:05 -0700
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:54 -0400 "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
writes:
>Call it morbid curiosity....
>
>Any day now, I will get my copy of the new edition of Origami for the
>Connoisseur.  I have gotten more than a fleeting look at the
>out-of-print version.
>
>So is the new edition as good as the old one?  Does it have all the
>same
>models?
>
>I ask because a recent trip to a used bookstore yielded a copy of
>Kenneway's Paperfolding for Fun.  "Oh neat, a hedgehog model.  Should
>be
>on page 84.  Wait a minute--THERE IS NO PAGE 84!  AUGHHHH!"  Having
>pooh-poohed the postings about cannibalization of old books for
>reprints, my origami karma caught up with me.  Please say it isn't so
>for the new OFTC!
>
>Sonia Wu
>(Florida)
>
Sonia,

I have the same book by Kenneway and there are about 4 models missing.
Bummer!

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:47:21 -0700
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:28:05 -0400 Chrome Digital
<chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
>>If you can find one of those plexiglas cookbook holders at a
>kitchenwares
>>store, this is also excellent.  I have always used mine for OFTC, and
>it
>>has held up very well.
>
>Either you're lucky, or I'm not, because my OFTC binding is *so*
>strong &
>springy that my plexiglas cookbook holder can't stay closed with the
>book in
>it.  The clothespin trick works a tad better.  Of course, there's
>always
>buying a copy of the reprint with the deliberate intent of destroying
>it (I
>do this with "beach" copies of fine literature, for example),
>something I'm
>seriously considering doing with both of these books.
>
>-- Jim Puccio
>
I have a freind who has her books spiral bound if she knows she will use
it alot.

Judy

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From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:38:16 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

>>If you can find one of those plexiglas cookbook holders at a kitchenwares
>>store, this is also excellent.  I have always used mine for OFTC, and it
>>has held up very well.
>
>Either you're lucky, or I'm not, because my OFTC binding is *so* strong &
>springy that my plexiglas cookbook holder can't stay closed with the book in
>it.  The clothespin trick works a tad better.
>-- Jim Puccio

I can't remember where I bought mine (maybe Lechter's) but it's a really
big holder that can even handle my hardcover Origami Omnibus.  Good luck in
finding them--this is certainly a good time of year to begin the hunt.

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:13:48 -0500
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

Judy D Pagnusat wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:54 -0400 "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
> writes:
> >Call it morbid curiosity....
> >
> >Any day now, I will get my copy of the new edition of Origami for the
> >Connoisseur.  I have gotten more than a fleeting look at the
> >out-of-print version.
> >
> >So is the new edition as good as the old one?  Does it have all the
> >same
> >models?
> >
> >I ask because a recent trip to a used bookstore yielded a copy of
> >Kenneway's Paperfolding for Fun.  "Oh neat, a hedgehog model.  Should
> >be
> >on page 84.  Wait a minute--THERE IS NO PAGE 84!  AUGHHHH!"  Having
> >pooh-poohed the postings about cannibalization of old books for
> >reprints, my origami karma caught up with me.  Please say it isn't so
> >for the new OFTC!
> >
> >Sonia Wu
> >(Florida)
> >
> Sonia,
>
> I have the same book by Kenneway and there are about 4 models missing.
> Bummer!
>
> Judy

Here is a question for the group, I have the full 93 (94 if you count the
end picture) copy of the book Paperfolding for Fun by Kenneway.  Would I
then be doing something horribly wrong if I were to offer to copy the, of
say missing hedgehog for one of those who spent perfectly good money for
thier "new" copy that claims to have the model, but doesn't?  I would be
interested to hear your comments either publicly or pivately, and if it is
any kind of request, please be private!

Thank you

Perry
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:42:04 +0200
Subject: Re: 16th C.D.O. CONVENTION

Joyce,
At 18.05 11/10/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>I have just received an e-mail message  along with a Microsoft word
>attachment from Sara Giarrusso  who handles foreign affairs for CDO Italia.
>Sara's message follows:
>
>I'm sending you the word file CDO98.doc with the information you may
>need about our next convention, which will be held from the 5th to the
>8th December 1998 at Castel San Pietro Terme (BO).

For those interested, I've stored this document at the following URL:

http://www.zen.it/~morassi/cdo98.doc

from which it can be downloaded.

Roberto

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From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:58:53 -0700 (
Subject: Book bindings

>has a very tight binding that makes it hard to use the book
>without breaking the binding. I would almost consider buying
>another copy if the new edition has an "easier-to-use" binding.

If you take your book to a local "copy shop", you can ask them to cut
off the spine of the book for a small fee (usually $1.00). Have them cut
as close to the edge as possible. Then your "book" will just be loose
pages. Go to an office supply store and pick up a 3-ring binder and a
box of sheet protectors. Put the pages in the sheet protectors and the
sheet protectors in the notebook. Now the sheets are protected from
damage and the pages will lay flat. Most 3-ring notebooks have "slots"
on the front and back of the notebook, which you can put the front and
back cover into. And if you shop correctly, you can find a notebook with
a slot on the spine where you can put the spine of your book into (make
sure you tell the copy shop that you want to keep the spine). This has
always worked for me...

Wayne "Flu" Fluharty
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From: "Charles M. Heron" <cheron@ICHIPS.INTEL.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:12:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Book bindings (library hardcover copy of OFTC)

I currently have a hardback copy of OFTC that I
checked out from the library.
It has the same cover illustration as the soft
cover. So I'm guessing that it has been re-bound
in hardcover, and the front and back were pasted
on the cover.

The pages lay pretty flat (flat enough so the book
doesn't close on it's own) and has the added bonus
of having a hard flat surface to fold on.

I don't know how much it would cost to have this
done, but it's much better than the soft cover.
And for a book like this, I think it would
probably be worth it.

-charles





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:17:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Book bindings

Wayne Fluharty suggested taking your book to a "copy shop" and having
the binding sliced off, and then placing the pages into sheet protectos
which can be three ring bound, etc.

That is very similar to a technique that I use...
I do not alter the binding in anyway, except by using the book.  What I
do is make, for my own private and personal use, copies of the pages I
most often use.  I use the page protectors as Wayne has indicated, so
that I do not have to punch holes in the copies.  I avoid the holes for
two reasons:  They tend to tear.  They take up room... if I have
enlarged/shrunk the diagrams in copying, I try to make them fill the
page as much as possible, so I don't leave room for the holes because I
don't want to make them in the first place.  I also learned pretty
quickly that I have to make note of the book (I use author's last name,
title, and ISBN number) the diagrams came from if I ever hope to be able
to find the originals again. ;-)

I keep several loose leaf note books with copied diagrams in them,
organized by subject (animals, sea life, geometrics, birds, etc).

What I like about my system is that I can take a stack of 40 diagrams
(of, say, cats and mice, or mice and elephants) with me on a trip.
Taking all the books themselves would require a small suitcase, which is
much less practical.

But I am thinking of maybe de-binding some books and rebinding them
differently, but I have been thinking about doing that for quite a
while, based on finding a "cool/neat/hip" binding, one that would both
lie-flat and also be a unique "arty" like thing. ;-)

-D'gou





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:38:31 +0100
Subject: Mac Donald's Origami

The little catsup cups at Mac Donald's are folded from a circle of paper.
It is easy to figure out a way to make all the creases that run from the
bottom to the rim --- but does anyone know how the manufacturer folds over
the top lip? -- seems impossible to me. Is there a related Origami
technique?

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
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From: Gabriel <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:17:32 -0300
Subject: Jewish Origami

Hi,

my sister works doing flower arrangements for parties and celebrations.

Next month she has to do the decorations for a Bar Mitsva, and she asked me
if I could do some origami to put as decoration in each napkin.

I would appreciate any ideas of models, specific places to look for jewish
origami in the net, books, etc, or any idea that you would like to share
with me.

I also dont know if there are some models that would fit better for the
ocassion.

Thanks in advance for your help, ( to reduce email traffic )
Regards,
Gabriel.





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:42:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Jewish Origami

I guess the #1 choice would be a Star of David (six-pointed star) a VERY
popular origami topic. There is a simple one made from an equilateral
triangle which can be found in the following books:

Jewish Origami
by Florence Temko

Magic of Origami
by Alice Gray, Kunihiko Kasahara

Complete Origami
by Eric Kenneway

Festive Folding
by Paul Jackson

The last two include directions for creating the eqilateral triangle from
letter size paper, if I remember correctly.

If you want to get a little fancier, there is the

Six-Piece Harlequin Star (by Francis Ow)
New Origami
by Steve Biddle

which is a 6 piece modular star that looks great from blue foil and white
paper.

Also appropriate would be a Torah Scroll, from Jewish Origami (above).

Other models, such as a shofar or dreidel, might be appropriate depending on
the time of year the affair is held. (Let us know if you have more details.)

Hope this helps.

Yaacov Metzger

> I would appreciate any ideas of models, specific places to
> look for jewish
> origami in the net, books, etc, or any idea that you would
> like to share
> with me.
>
> I also don=B4t know if there are some models that would fit
> better for the
> ocassion.





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:17:04 -0400
Subject: book reviews

anybody has a site with a review of most or alot of origami books?  I know
I've seen one before, but can't recall who the site maintainer is or what
the address to the site is.   Any help is greatly appreciated.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: David M Foulds <dmfoulds@ORIGAMI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:34:22 +0100
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

At 21:28 13/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Of course, there's always
>buying a copy of the reprint with the deliberate intent of destroying it (I
>do this with "beach" copies of fine literature, for example), something I'm
>seriously considering doing with both of these books.
>
>-- Jim Puccio

This is something I have thought about doing as well.  One month after
buying my copy of OftC, the table of contents pages began to fall out
so I have been *very* careful with it since then.

Dave

--
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From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:27:28 -0400
Subject: "long-mouth/nose" weevel diagrams?

Does anyone know whether there are diagrams or origami model pictures for a
"long-mouth/nose" weevel (sp.?)?  I recently caught one of these and thought
that it would make a great origami model.  Its "mouth-piece" (a thin long
straw-like section) is actually a part of the head and the mouth is only at
the tip of the long section.  There are two feelers (I think?) about 1/3 of
the way from the head on the "mouth-piece" too.  The thin straw-like piece
is about the same length as the body if not more.  Fascinating!

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:30:57 -0700
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:13:48 -0500 Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
writes:
>Judy D Pagnusat wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:54 -0400 "Wu, Sonia"
><swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
>> writes:
>> >Call it morbid curiosity....
>> >
>> >Any day now, I will get my copy of the new edition of Origami for
>the
>> >Connoisseur.  I have gotten more than a fleeting look at the
>> >out-of-print version.
>> >
>> >So is the new edition as good as the old one?  Does it have all the
>> >same
>> >models?
>> >
>> >I ask because a recent trip to a used bookstore yielded a copy of
>> >Kenneway's Paperfolding for Fun.  "Oh neat, a hedgehog model.
>Should
>> >be
>> >on page 84.  Wait a minute--THERE IS NO PAGE 84!  AUGHHHH!"  Having
>> >pooh-poohed the postings about cannibalization of old books for
>> >reprints, my origami karma caught up with me.  Please say it isn't
>so
>> >for the new OFTC!
>> >
>> >Sonia Wu
>> >(Florida)
>> >
>> Sonia,
>>
>> I have the same book by Kenneway and there are about 4 models
>missing.
>> Bummer!
>>
>> Judy
>
>Here is a question for the group, I have the full 93 (94 if you count
>the
>end picture) copy of the book Paperfolding for Fun by Kenneway.  Would
>I
>then be doing something horribly wrong if I were to offer to copy the,
>of
>say missing hedgehog for one of those who spent perfectly good money
>for
>thier "new" copy that claims to have the model, but doesn't?  I would
>be
>interested to hear your comments either publicly or pivately, and if
>it is
>any kind of request, please be private!
>
>Thank you
>
>Perry
>--
>pbailey@opencominc.com
>www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!
>
Perry,

I would be interested in what others thought about this.  The cover has
and interior pictures show the models thhat were not publish.  I would
like to do that hedghog he is really cute.  I think there was supposed to
be a ladybug in there that looked interesting also.

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:46:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!)

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:50:20 +0200 Peter Budai
<peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU> writes:
>At 10:01 AM 10/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I have been able to deduce form diagrams what valley
>>folds and squash folds are, but the mountain fold appearantly is
>>beyond my intellectual capacities...
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Thies
>
>
>And then New World Society wrote:
>
>>Hi, I'm having serious problem when i'm folding. And my problems
>start when
>>in some diagram sence "Valley Folding" or "squach" and some other
>techical
>>statements that i don't handle, so, I'll be glad if you explainme
>some of
>>them or send me the information that somebody reply to you 'bout the
>>techniques.
>
>Well, the simplest definition would be:
>"valley fold = fold the paper towards yourself"
>"mountain fold = fold the paper behind (away from yourself)".
>
>So, when you do a valley fold and somebody's watching you in front of
>you,
>that person sees a mountain fold.
>
>BTW, as now diagrams not only appear in book but also on the Net, it
>would
>be useful to have a symbols/terminology/techniques-introducing page (I
>don't
>know if there's one already or not).
>
>Happy folding, Peter Budai
>
The explanations are great.  The other thing I remember when I started to
fold from diagrams was that I had a hard time remembering which lines
were mountain folds and which were valleys.  I learned to remember in
this way

--------------------- a staight dotted line is flat like a valley

---...---... and a sequence of dots and dashes was like haveing mountains
every so often.

Judy

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From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:02:30 +0200
Subject: Re: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
>
> At 08:03 AM 10/14/98 -0500, Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC> wrote:
> >
> >Thanks for the tips! To me it is still a bit unlogic; what dou you call
> >a fold from right to left!...
>
> The diriction of the fold is not an issue. Try this example. Start with a
> square, white side up. Fold the paper in half any way you like (left to
> right, right to left, along the diagonal, ect.). If the result is a
> coloured "model," then you have performed a valley fold. If the result is a
> white "model," you have formed a mountain fold. Try it.
>
> Marc

Well, I think it confused.
perhaps it is better to start with an easy example:

- Take a thin book and open it.
- Do it open on the table.

   if you see the pages, you see a valley fold between
   the pages. it looks a little like a valley.

   if you put the book with the pages to the table,
   then you see the back side, wich is a mountain fold.
   when you watch the book, you can see a little mountain.

it is really not difficult. the reason of the confusion, i think is that
a vallay fold and a mountain fold is exactly the same.
it is onlny a question of the point of view.

Torsten





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:29:18 +0000
Subject: Re: Jewish Origami

Gabriel wrote..
>
> my sister works doing flower arrangements for parties and celebrations.
>
> Next month she has to do the decorations for a Bar Mitsva, and she asked me
> if I could do some origami to put as decoration in each napkin.
>
> I would appreciate any ideas of models, specific places to look for jewish
> origami in the net, books, etc, or any idea that you would like to share
> with me.

Though this may not help Gabriel, Jeanine Mosely's business card ring
(described recently on this list) can be done with blue construction paper.
Six 4"x7" pieces made a flying ring (six pointed star with open center) that
measured about 8 1/2" when complete. Might make a nice circle on which to
place flower arrangement.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:50:20 +0200
Subject: Valley and mountain folds (WAS:Re: Correction Help needed with folding

At 10:01 AM 10/13/98 -0500, you wrote:

I have been able to deduce form diagrams what valley
>folds and squash folds are, but the mountain fold appearantly is
>beyond my intellectual capacities...
>
>Thanks.
>
>Thies

And then New World Society wrote:

>Hi, I'm having serious problem when i'm folding. And my problems start when
>in some diagram sence "Valley Folding" or "squach" and some other techical
>statements that i don't handle, so, I'll be glad if you explainme some of
>them or send me the information that somebody reply to you 'bout the
>techniques.

Well, the simplest definition would be:
"valley fold = fold the paper towards yourself"
"mountain fold = fold the paper behind (away from yourself)".

So, when you do a valley fold and somebody's watching you in front of you,
that person sees a mountain fold.

BTW, as now diagrams not only appear in book but also on the Net, it would
be useful to have a symbols/terminology/techniques-introducing page (I don't
know if there's one already or not).

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@MA.ULTRANET.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:02:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Jewish Origami

For a complex Jewish Origami, see Fred Rohm's
Star of David Money Fold in "Making More with Money",
from OrigamiUSA.

Happy folding....

Bob





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:26:31 +0100 (
Subject: Re: "long-mouth/nose" weevel diagrams?

> Does anyone know whether there are diagrams or origami model pictures for a
> "long-mouth/nose" weevel (sp.?)?  I recently caught one of these and thought
<snip>
The nearest you will get, as far as I know, is the 'Long-Necked Seed Bug' by
Robert Lang (Origami Insects and Their Kin).  You can have a look at a picture
I have found on the web at:
http://www.io.com/~rueger/origami/insects/longnecked.html

Andrew Daw





From: Lenora Oftedahl <oftl@CRITFC.ORG>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:38:03 -0700
Subject: Salmon

Hi.  I looked in the archives on the web and did find some mentions of a salmon
     model/pattern...but I did not find where the pattern is located.  Could
     someone give me a title and author.

I work at the Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission whose mission is the
     restoration of salmon  and other anadromous species to the Columbia River
     Basin.

TIA

Lenora Oftedahl
Asst. Librarian
StreamNet/CRITFC Library
Ste 190, 729 NE Oregon St
Portland, OR  97232
503-731-1304
503-731-1260 (FAX)
fishlib@critfc.org





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:41:12 -0700
Subject: Halloween Origami

My favorite Halloween origami decoration is Steven Biddle's fetching
Dracula (lips with fangs) from Harbin's Origami 4.

I attach it to a wall or door and cut a piece of stiff white paper and
place it under the lips (like the "cloud-like" design coming out of
cartoon characters' mouths).  On the paper I write:  "Have a frightfully
nice day".

What is your favorite Halloween origami?





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:54:02 -0400 (
Subject: Re: The New OFTC

I hate initials!....can someone tell me what OFTC means?  Dorigami





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:07:55 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC

> I hate initials!....can someone tell me what OFTC means?  Dorigami

Origami for the Connoisseur  /b\
--
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mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:33:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Salmon

There is a fine salmon in Issei Yosshino's _Super Complex Origami_.
Contrary to its title, though, it's not all _that_ complex.  You can get
this book from Origami USA, Fascinating Folds, or Sasuga Books.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:35:46 -0400
Subject: weevel info.

Thanks for the tip, I do have this book and have looked at it already, I
guess I could modify it abit.  Here's what Spider Barbour wrote when I asked
the question.

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Hi -- there are several books with weevils and other beetles in them:
Montroll -- Origami Sculptures has a long-nosed weevil that is probably like
the one you describe.
Kawahata -- Origami Beetles of the World (available from Sasuga bookstore)
Convention collections '95 and ''98
Lang -- Insects
Anita

I noticed that you have quite a collection of origami insects, maybe you
also have the books that Spider B. described above?  maybe even some models?
I'd love to see them if there are any.  Thanks again for your help.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu

-----Original Message-----
Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 8:25 AM

>> Does anyone know whether there are diagrams or origami model pictures for
a
>> "long-mouth/nose" weevel (sp.?)?  I recently caught one of these and
thought
><snip>
>The nearest you will get, as far as I know, is the 'Long-Necked Seed Bug'
by
>Robert Lang (Origami Insects and Their Kin).  You can have a look at a
picture
>I have found on the web at:
>http://www.io.com/~rueger/origami/insects/longnecked.html
>
>Andrew Daw





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:38:06 -0400
Subject: sorry

Sorry everyone, I meant to sent the weevel info. mail to Andrew Daw only.  I
guess I clicked the send button too quickly before I had a chance to see
where it was going, my fault.  Sorry.

Keropi
keropi@vt.edu





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:56:00 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC

Sorry, OFTC means Origami for the Connoisseur, by Kunihiko Kasahara and
Toshie Takahama.  It's just been reprinted and is an incredibly spiffy
book.  Also reprinted recently (and also incredibly spiffy) is Kunihiko
Kasahara's Origami Omnibus.

Sonia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM [SMTP:DORIGAMI@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 11:54 AM
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: The New OFTC
>
> I hate initials!....can someone tell me what OFTC means?  Dorigami





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:02:12 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Halloween Origami

Dear Dorothy,

My favorite Halloween origami is by far Michael La Foss' Happy Good Luck
Bat!!!  Simple to fold (wet-folded canson paper is best) and wonderful to
display!!!

Yours,

June





From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:31:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Halloween Origami

Dorothy queries:
>What is your favorite Halloween origami?
__________________________
My favorite is Robert Harbin's Welsh Witch surrounded by a
flight/fright of Alice Gray's bats.  Makes a great centerpiece.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:46:34 -0500 (
Subject: toxic paper?

Hello all,
  I just got a letter in the mail from Origami-USA asking for butterflies.
I needed paper so I went to a local art/toy/game store and bought some six
inch multi-colored paper that I thought would look nice for butterflies.
When I got home and opened the package (and also the inside package the
paper was in) I got a wiff of the paper and it wreaked of oil or petrolium.
I called the store and they said I can bring it back and the manager would
smell the paper.  When I got to the store, they were all too happy to refund
my money without smelling the paper but I insisted on someone identifying
the smell.  The store manager insisted it was moldy from being in a damp
environment on-board the ship from being imported from Japan.  I took my
money and left.  My impression was that they knew the paper had a smell and
they were selling (possibly toxic) bad paper.  (How can origami paper get
wet or damp when it is packaged in a bag within a bag?  Does the paper come
from Japan unsealed and then they package it here in the USA?  If they
transport it from Japan in unsealed bundles then it may have been
contaminated onboard ship.)
  I wonder if anyone else has had this problem with origami paper.
The paper was made in Japan and imported by AITOH of San Fransisco.  I swear
that the smell was some kind of petrolium based oil.  It was very strong
and obnoxious; almost toxic in nature.  I believe this may be a health
hazard and I wish to know if I should contact some type of authority like
the federal health department (or who should I contact? anyone know?) in the
USA.  I started to get a headache from that paper.

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:08:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Halloween Origami

There is a really neat bat in Akira Yoshizawa's book (not the recent
paperback with tan cover, but the other one with the white dust jacket
with photos)....

Sonia
(Florida)





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:16:47 +0100
Subject: Re: Book bindings (library hardcover copy of OFTC)

At 10:12 15-10-1998, Charles M. Heron wrote:
>I currently have a hardback copy of OFTC that I
>checked out from the library.
>It has the same cover illustration as the soft
>cover. So I'm guessing that it has been re-bound
>in hardcover, and the front and back were pasted
>on the cover.

Public libraries in the Netherlands always bind new paperbacks in hardcover.
Maybe the library people will do it for you if you ask them nicely and pay
the cost.

Greetings,
Sjaak

Sjaak Adriaanse
email: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net
----------------------------------
We perform the miracles
Kate Bush





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:33:13 +0200
Subject: Re: Valley and mountain folds (WAS:Re: Correction Help needed with

On 15-Oct-98, Peter Budai (peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU) wrote:

>BTW, as now diagrams not only appear in book but also on the Net, it would
>be useful to have a symbols/terminology/techniques-introducing page (I
>don't know if there's one already or not).

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon's Origami Page at

http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800

Follow links to Diagrams/Basics

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:16:19 -0500
Subject: Which origami books to buy!?!?

Hi!

I'm currently working in Ecuador, a country with an alarming lack of
bookstores, want to buy a few books on origami, and am
considering doing that through Amazon.com. The initial shipping
costs are high, but to ship more than one book is relatively cheap,
so I would like to buy a number of books. The question now is:
which ones? Which books would the Folder-in-Heart-and-Kidneys
(to translate a Dutch expression...) recommend? Which is an
absolute must-have? Which is the bible for the deeply orthodox
folder? I'm interested in books with relatively complicated,
challenging models, I'm not really into folding spaceships or Jedys
(with all due respect), but more so in animals (I love, no: adore,
Joseph Wu's Flying Pigs for example), people, asian things,
perhaps you couls say more tradional subjects.

Judging from the discussion of the last few days, Origami for the
Connoisseur, would be number one, I guess (with or without perspex
cooking stand)... But I would greatly appreciate you
opinions/recommendations on other titles as well!

By the way, many thanks to everyone who has contributed to the
discussion on the would-be difference between valley folds and
mountain folds. It's like one of M.C Eschers drawings (another
Dutch influence here): it all depends from which point you are
looking at it...

Thanks, and ciao,

Thies de Waard
Cuenca, Ecuador
----------------------------------
Thies de Waard
Apartado Postal 01-01-862
Cuenca, ECUADOR
+593-7-822052 (thuis/home/casa)
+593-7-840254 (werk/office/oficina)
Ik heb nu slechts n email-adres/
I now have only one email address/
Ahora solo tengo una direccin de correo electrnico:
twaard@c.ecua.net.ec





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:21:46 -0700
Subject: Toxic or just Stinky?

Doug Zander reports he may have tried to fold butterflies from poisonous
paper.  I too have had some papers that smelled pretty strange, especially
the imported ones.  I buy AITOH papers pretty frequently, especially in the
5 7/8" size, since they have some beautiful foils and patterns in that range.

Not with the foils, but the regular papers there has from time to time been
a bizarre sort of paste-industrial waste-evil smell when one opens the
package.  Usually, if the paper is left to air out for a little while the
smell is not so noticeable and seems to eventually go away.

I've always assumed this was some sort of preservative to prevent
compromising the paper quality during shipping and storage.  There also
seems to be some sort of tiny powdery grit on the papers when this happens,
which I've assumed to be the source of the odor.

Never got a headache from it though, only from trying to squint extra hard
at difficult diagrams!!!

Sounds like a case for Mulder and Scully...

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:39:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Salmon

There is always my design of a Chinoook Salmon (out of a dollar) that OUSA
is working to putting in next year's convention annual.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:47:23 -0400
Subject: Re: ------ ......---- & ---------------

Judy,
Your analogy is WONDERFUL!!
thanks
Hoppit the dyslex Hobbit





From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@FASCINATING-FOLDS.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:54:38 -0700
Subject: Origami Flying Cranes T-Shirts

For those of you who attended the Southeast Origami Festival and saw our new
Flying Cranes T- shirts (before they sold out) - they're back in stock.  The
shirts have a row of white origami cranes in a night sky (black shirt).  The
back of the shirt has a design, too - the Japanese symbol for Long Life.  We
now have XXLarge, too.   Details are on the website in Origami Land. There
is a little extra surprise on the website, too :-)

 . . . and yes, we have Origami for the Connoisseur and Origami Omnibus.

Happy folding -
Bren
Fascinating Folds
Suppliers for Origami and the Paper Arts
http://www.fascinating-folds.com





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jj-casalonga@MAGIC.FR>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:57:02 +0100
Subject: The Mad Corsican Folder's New E-mail Address

        Warning : this message does NOT contain any sexualy explicit words.

    Hello to all of you who do not throw away any message that comes from
me.

    Just a quick note to tell you that my new e-mail address is :

            jj-casalonga@magic.fr

    You can also visit my home page : www.mygale.org/~jjcasalo

    It deals with minimalist origami (all models in less than 4 folds).

       I's gald to ba able to continue to receive my daily drug of Origami.

                The Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad CCordican Folder,

            Jean-Jerome Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:16:23 -0700
Subject: Re: toxic paper?

On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:46:34 CDT Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
writes:
>Hello all,
>  I just got a letter in the mail from Origami-USA asking for
>butterflies.
>I needed paper so I went to a local art/toy/game store and bought some
>six
>inch multi-colored paper that I thought would look nice for
>butterflies.
>When I got home and opened the package (and also the inside package
>the
>paper was in) I got a wiff of the paper and it wreaked of oil or
>petrolium.
>I called the store and they said I can bring it back and the manager
>would
>smell the paper.  When I got to the store, they were all too happy to
>refund
>my money without smelling the paper but I insisted on someone
>identifying
>the smell.  The store manager insisted it was moldy from being in a
>damp
>environment on-board the ship from being imported from Japan.  I took
>my
>money and left.  My impression was that they knew the paper had a
>smell and
>they were selling (possibly toxic) bad paper.  (How can origami paper
>get
>wet or damp when it is packaged in a bag within a bag?  Does the paper
>come
>from Japan unsealed and then they package it here in the USA?  If they
>transport it from Japan in unsealed bundles then it may have been
>contaminated onboard ship.)
>  I wonder if anyone else has had this problem with origami paper.
>The paper was made in Japan and imported by AITOH of San Fransisco.  I
>swear
>that the smell was some kind of petrolium based oil.  It was very
>strong
>and obnoxious; almost toxic in nature.  I believe this may be a health
>hazard and I wish to know if I should contact some type of authority
>like
>the federal health department (or who should I contact? anyone know?)
>in the
>USA.  I started to get a headache from that paper.
>
>--
> Douglas Zander                |
> dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
> Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |
>
Douglas,

It could be the ink.  Papers are packaged in Japan even if they are a
package within a package, it's less costly that way.  If you really think
it is toxic maybe you should contact Aitoh.  There are strict toxicity
regulations on art supplies.

Judy

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From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:27:30 -0700
Subject: Caution: OUSA Annual Gift Info

Just got the info on the OUSA Annual Gift info. (The model requested for
this year's tree is LaFosse's Alice Gray Butterfly.) Thought I would warn
everyone that OUSA sent the info and paper out in envelopes from the Museum
of Natural History versus their own letterhead.

I almost put it in the pile of doomed junk mail thinking it was another
renewal notice....

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:16:19 -0500
Subject: Which origami books to buy!?!?

>Judging from the discussion of the last few days, Origami for the
>Connoisseur, would be number one, I guess (with or without perspex
>cooking stand)... But I would greatly appreciate you
>opinions/recommendations on other titles as well!

Given your preference for complex animals and more traditional subjects. I
expect you would be happy with Robert Lang's and John Montroll's books. If
you want to try one in particular, I'd recommend "Origami Sea Life" by Lang
and Montroll or "Origami Sculptures" by Montroll.

I'd also add David Brill's "Brilliant Origami" to the list of English
titles. If you have a source for Japanese titles such as Sasuga, I'd add
Akira Yoshizawa's "Origami Masterpieces" and "Origami Fantasy" by Kawahata.

You can find reviews of all these titles by searching the archives. Just
send email to:

        origami@ftp.rug.nl

with the command MESSAGES and some keywords such as:

        MESSAGES Lang AND Sea AND Life

Nothing required in your message's subject line.

You'll get an email message back with past postings that included the
keywords. Or if you really want to read through some past material, try
emailing the archives with:

MESSAGES complex AND animals AND book

or

MESSAGES complex AND book AND recommend

I'd suggest reading the archives anyway to those new to the list. Lots of
wonderful information in there.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:34:10 -0400
Subject: Caution: OUSA Annual Gift Info

whoops, me too! I had to retrieve it from the recycle barrel.
I get scads of subscription, etc offers from outfits like
the Museum at this time of year...

I think, though, that OUSA has done this before, because
the event is actually a Museum function, and so they pay
for the mailing. But maybe there was a OUSA address stamp
or something on it..

valerie





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:38:41 -0400
Subject: toxic paper?

Some Japanese origami paper inks are pretty chemical smelling; I just
air them out before using them. :)

On the other hand, some soy ink printed stuff smells pretty odd too;
and we use some kind of "environmentally correct" paper towels at
work that are a muddy brown color (no bleach) and smell fishy".
I suspect them of being made from old trawler ropes and left over
seaweed...

valerie





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:43:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Caution: OUSA Annual Gift Info

On 17 Oct 98, at 21:27, Pat Slider wrote:

> Just got the info on the OUSA Annual Gift info. (The model requested for
> this year's tree is LaFosse's Alice Gray Butterfly.) Thought I would warn
> everyone that OUSA sent the info and paper out in envelopes from the Museum
> of Natural History versus their own letterhead.

Let me just mention that as far as I can remember, the annual gift info has
*always* come in a MusNatHist envelope, so rather than thinking this an
anomaly, best to take the Museum -off- of your junk-mail list.

If you're a careful junk-mail filterer, you'll also notice two other things
that would help you not trash OUSA's stuff: 1) the mailing label has your OUSA
membership number/expiration on it, and 2) it has fully first-class postage.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Gerard Blais <Gerard.Blais.gblais@NT.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:00:30 -0400
Subject: Origami Montreal - Next meeting announcement

Hear! Hear!

The next meeting of Origami Montreal will be held:
======================================================================
    Sunday, October 25, from 1 PM to 4 PM,
    at 6848 Christophe-Colomb, Montreal.
======================================================================

On the menu:
    - Discussions: local events, international events, new books,
           interesting news, etc.
    - Planification/Annoncement of the next meeting.
    - Folding workshop presented by Hideko Sinto:
         Origami boxes
                        (check http://www.ogi.edu/~gren/origami.html for a
few
          examples of origami boxes.)

    - Free folding, discussion, etc.

Origami material (i.e. paper) will be provided for those who need it.

Be there!

Gerard, on behalf of Origami Montreal.

+-----+ Origami Montreal
|     | telephone & fax: (450) 448-2530 (Hideko Sinto)
|     | email: origami@francomedia.qc.ca (Hideko Sinto)
+-----+ web: http://www.ecn.ulaval.ca/~pgon/origami/origami.html





From: PErick3491@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:51:24 -0400 (
Subject: noshi thanks

Thanks to all who helped me with info about noshi and pinecones.  There is
another pinecone on David Petty's page.  I don't know the address.  I got
there through the BOS page.  Now, I need help.  I'm trying to fold the
pinecone in OFTC and have worked for hours on steps 16 and 17.  If anyone has
folded this, are there any nice little hints you could pass along.  Thank you.
Pat





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:05:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Caution: OUSA Annual Gift Info

>On 18 Oct 1998, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
>Let me just mention that as far as I can remember, the annual gift info has
>*always* come in a MusNatHist envelope, so rather than thinking this an
>anomaly, best to take the Museum -off- of your junk-mail list.
>
>If you're a careful junk-mail filterer, you'll also notice two other things
>that would help you not trash OUSA's stuff: 1) the mailing label has your OUSA
>membership number/expiration on it, and 2) it has fully first-class postage.

Well, you have me there. I am NOT a careful junk-mail filterer.

In my defense I would point out that if you are a member of the Museum and
get the Natural History magazine as I do, you do get some first-class
postage junk mail from them. I think something more obvious than my OUSA
membership number would definitely help me and other not-so-meticulous junk
mail sorters.

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:45:58 +0100
Subject: Scandinavian 1st Origami convention

Hi !!!!

                I am writing on behalf of the "Origami Sverige" association (
Sverige="Sweden").

                This friday begins the very first scandinavian origami
     convention. We are
happy and proud to have visitors like Thoki Yen, Peter Budai, David Brill,
among others.

                We still have place, so if anyone is interested, the
     information is here:
http://www.origami.net/homes/sweeden

                Cheers,

                                Ariel





From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:05:00 -0400
Subject: Help--Annual Gift

Erp...How many steps in this model?  I received steps 1-14 printed on
both sides of the paper but the letter says that there are 24.  What
are the other 10?  Help.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:54:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Help--Annual Gift

Kalei,
I just looked at my copy steps 15 - 24 are on the backside with 1 -14 on the
front looks like LUCKY YOU got the special misprint with two fronts!! Just
e-mail Toby at the office origami-info@origami-usa.org and ask for one with
page 2.
hobbit





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:00:24 -0500 (
Subject: Forgive me, for I have cut paper.

Concerning the annual gift model, "A Butterfly for Alice Gray", I did
something some of you may object to.  I created antenae for the butterfly
by cutting some of the paper that is folded back in step 20-B.  If you
carefully snip from the edge toward the center (but not all the way) then
you are able to valley fold the thin strips you have cut and bring them up
and to the top of the butterfly.  I believe this minor cut is a "justified
cut" and adds greatly to the model.  Does anyone else agree with me?
I ask that everyone who has folded the head of this butterfly to fold one
and try this cut to judge for yourselves how the model looks with this cut.
Please note that the antenae can only be formed if some of the paper is
folded back and behind.  What do you all think?  I wonder if OrigamiUSA
would mind if some of the butterflies had antenae from a "justified cut"?

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:20:00 +0200
Subject: OFTC Pinecone

On 18-Oct-98, PErick3491@AOL.COM (PErick3491@AOL.COM) wrote:

>I'm trying to fold the pinecone in OFTC and have worked for hours
>on steps 16 and 17.

Assuming you have the model on a flat surface, and have made creases
shown on step 16, raise the two indicated flaps up (making valley folds
where mountain folds are drawn!). Pull P out. Push from below to make
the center crease. Do this on all four sides before going on. Do step
17 on all flaps. On step 18 you fold all flaps 90 degrees counterclock-
wise and insert them in pockets on the left, which isn't all that easy
the first time you do it. Step 19 is wrong! Attempted ASCII diagram
follows (showing only the small triangular flap which should be 3D):

     P
     ^
    /|\
   / | \
  /. |  \
 /  .|   \
*---------*

Make a valley fold along the dots, bringing P to bottom left corner.
Fold as on step 20 and do 19-20 on the remaining sides.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:03:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Folding from developmental plans

At 03:33 PM 10/19/1998 +0200, Jorma Oksanen wrote:
>I might have learned something in last three years after all, as I
>just finished the gamecock (with seven! claws) from Origami Omnibus.
>Before that I managed to fold peacock and rhinoceros from the same
>book, and
<snip>

Uh, there is no gamecock with seven claws, in Origami Omnibus, or any other
     book that I know of. Can you please clarify this? I don't believe there is
     a rhino either.

Unless new models have been added to the reprint??

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com
