




From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:55:16 +0200
Subject: Re: Iterative Origami Series (Math)

David Chow wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>         While playing with some well-known iterative origami techniques, most
     notably
> folding a square into thirds, I began wondering about analytical rather than
> geometric solutions to some math problems.  The one I specifically would like
> to ask about is the following.
>
> 1.  Suppose we have a square of paper ABCD, with center E and side length l.
> 2.  Fold A to E and unfold.
> 3.  Fold C to the center of the crease just made and unfold.
> 4.  Fold A to the center of the crease just made and unfold.
> 5.  Repeat [ (3) , (4) ] infinitely many times.
>
>         Now, intuitively we know the distance between the last two creases
     made is
> 1/3 the diagonal of the square, (l*sqrt(2))/3.  However, is there a way to
> prove this with an infinite series (that hopefully converges)?  Just
> wondering.  My apologies if this has been dealt with on the list already; I
> know someone has developed this method a long time ago.
> Thanks.
>
> Have fun!
> David C.

I tried to get a math expression for n Elements in
your infinite series. I've looked at the differences between the
new creases of each side. It was not so good because it becomes
quickly difficult.

Then I asked a friend of mine (non folding Frank) and he described
one side (in youre example (A-side)

he gave me following:
(It is a little bit difficult to write math-expressions in ascii, but
i hope you can read it.)

x is the difference between A and new creases on A-side.
n is the actual number of creases on A-Side

x (for n+1) = (1/2)*(1-(1/2)*(1-(x for n)))
or
x (for n+1) = (1/2)-(1/4) + (1/4)(x for n)

If You want to have the other side, you can calculate 1-result.

If you want both you can build a serie with the
element (-1)exponent(n).

with the result of the first 5 elements you can get a new expression:

x (for n) = ((1/3)((2 exponent (2*n-1))+1))/((2 exponent (2*n-1))

x (for n) = (1/3)*(1+(1/(2 exponent (2*n-1)))
with n --> infinite you get 1/3, because the expression (2 exponent
(2*n-1))
becomes fast bigger.

I think it proofs it, too.
if you want to see the hand written sheet I will try to use a scanner
(I don't have an own one) and mail a picture.

Torsten





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:59:29 +0200
Subject: New

Hello all,

I am new in this mailing list. My name is Torsten Drees and I am foldig
paper
since two years ago.
I am still not ready to try out my favorite part of origami. These is
Unit Origami, math, complex animals and the beauty of simple models.
I' ve made my first attemts to develope own models, but normaly someone
has
aready published it before I began to develop it. But I like Origami
more and more.

I hope, You will not angry with me, if my comments are not so polite,
because I
have some problems to get gently words in english language.
I already sent a comment (some weeks ago) and I am afraid that somebody
think, that I want to bleat.
When I 'm not agree with someones writing I will write it, if I have
time
enough. I mean and ment it allways good.

peaceful regards

Torsten





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:02:31 +0200
Subject: prevention

Hello I've a question,

I read in the book "from Angelfish to Zen" an
interesting part.

"Tea ceremoniy masters received theire diplomas specially
folded to prevent misuse in case the documents should fall
into the wrong hands. (Once the Paper was opened, it could not be
resealed without allowing extra creases to show.)"

Does anybody know something of this kind of folding?
I want to try it and I need some fold instructions, if available.

Torsten





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:17:30 -0700 (
Subject: Origami on HGTV

On Thursday, Oct 8th the Carol Duvall Show at 9AM EST will include
origami.  According to their web site www.hgtv.com, Week 40 Episode 506
is an origami heart card and frog's tongue by Jeremy Shafer.  Diagrams
for the heart and instructions for the tongue are on the website.

The ad for Thursday's show was an origami box and sounded like the
entire show was on origami.  That may have been misleading if the
episode description is corrrect.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:43:16 +0100
Subject: Red satin -- backed with black paper

I have purchased an 80 yard, 60" wide roll of wonderfully bright red satin
backed with black paper (total sheet thickness about .0145") and had it cut
into sheets -- 18" x 60". This works out to be 7-1/2 square feet / sheet. I
can sell this material for $ 7.50 / 18" x 60" sheet ($1.00 / square foot)
--- no minimum --- rolled up and shipped in a cardstock tube. Add $4.00/
total order to cover shipping. (the more you order, the more you save on
shipping). Send check with order. For 9" x 10" sample (cut square) in 9" x
12" envelope with protective chipboard folder -- send check for $3.00
(includes postage). For 3" x 5" swatch sent in regular #10 envelope ---
send $1.00. Should make good Christmas ornaments or Saint Valentine
projects. If this turns out to be a useful material, we can probably make
it available on a continuous basis at about 75 cents / square foot. How
does that price sound compared to other available materials? We are new in
this market and are not knowledgeable about prices.

Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
TEL: 805-965-5574 / FAX: 805-965-2414 / EMAIL: mrcinc@silcom.com
WEBSITES: http://www.papershops.com <<<and>>> http://www.modelshops.com
<<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:00:31 -0400
Subject: References (Enigma Cubes and Proteus Units)

<<some time ago Valerie Vann's site was
rumoured to contain diagrams for units she'd reverse engineered from the
photos.

Sorry, but the rumors are incorrect. I have no diagrams
for these models on my site.

*All* of the diagrams that
I DO have on my web pages are EASILY accessed from
links on the same pages as the photos. So if you don't
see a link on the page of a model you're interested in
THERE ARE NO DIAGRAMS.

Valerie Vann





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:18:30 -0400 (
Subject: Prevention. Origami Certificates.

Torsten Drees asks about the reference to Origami certificates in Peter
Engel's "Angelfish to Zen".

I regret that I cannot give an answer to his question as to how the
certificates were folded, and I should like to know the answer. Certificates
were also given to certify the manufacture and excellence of such things as
Japanese swords.

A certificate was known as an "origami" and this was probably the earliest use
of that word, long before it became applied to actual paperfolding.  It seems
that the word "origami" was then used in the context of actual paperolding for
ceremonial folding like noshi and tstutsumi. It was not until the end of the
19th Century that recretional folding came to be called "Origami". Before
that, recreational folding was known by a variety of words, including
"orikata", "orisue" and "tatamgami".

The real point of interest about the use of the word "origami" for a
certificate is that it exactly parallels the Greek use of the word "diploma",
which means a paper, folded into two. (Actually,  in the Greek context it
could not be paper, but would be papyrus or vellum.) It is extrraordinary that
two very different cultures at opposite ends of the earth should adopt the
same usage. Or was there some link we do not know about?

Related to this, there is a way of folding a letter (typically a love letter)
in a manner that  will indicate immediately if it has been unfolded before it
reached the intended recipient. In this method, the paper is rolled into a
tube abour a third of and inch in diameter. The tube is then pinched all along
its length, each pinch being at right angles to its adjacent pinches. The
letter can never be rolled up in exactly the same way, one it has ben
unrolled.

Apart from Peter Engel's reference to Origami Certificates being folded in
such a way that they could not be unfoded without revealing the fact, I had
always assumed that the method of folding an origami certificte was quite
simple and merely for ceremonial purposes. What would be the purpose of
folding a certificate in such a way that nobody could unfold it to read its
contents? I do not know where Peter Engel got his information, but I should
very much like to know his reference. Or any other reference. I look forward
to any information that any subscriber to Origami-L can give.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.cim





From: Andy Carpenter <Andy.Carpenter@MCI.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:30:29 -0600
Subject: Request for dog diagrams
Importance: Normal

Does anyone know of any really good diagrams of dogs (preferably a
Weimaraner) that are published? I've seen some Montroll diagrams for a few
dogs but they are not what I'm looking for. I guess I'm looking for
something on a par with Brill's horse or lion(s) or various Lang animals.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback.

Andy





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:11:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Request for dog diagrams

Andy Carpenter inquired about dog diagrams.

There is a book of dog diagrams in Japanese, ISBN4-416-38616-8.  It's by
Yasuhiro Sano.

As I recall, there is a sort of German Pointer dog diagram in Isao
Honda's World of Origami.

Good luck!

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:09:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Display Idea

Hi, All--

This has probably been suggested before, but I have an idea for origami
display.

In finishing up my last notecard from a batch of ten, I noticed what a
neat little box was left with a clear plastic cover.  I had on my office
bookshelf a Yoshizawa toad (or frog, I'm not sure which--from the
hardcover book with dust jacket with photos on it; got it from OUSA a
few years ago, published in the late '80s I think).  I happened to have
some of the same paper with me (a thin "artist's" paper, tan with lots
of little specks of natural looking stuff in it), so I lined the bottom
of the box with that.  Placed the toad and some dried fall leaves on
top.  Clear plastic cover over that (which even keeps the contents in
place).  It looks pretty nifty (especially when you consider it's a
freeby).  It would probably be especially cool for things like fish
models so you could be looking down on something as though seeing in the
water from above (without the distraction of seeing how it is mounted).
There goes my next box--time to find more reasons to write cards.

With holiday cards looming ahead you could collect these boxes from
friends (assuming they don't have Hallmark stickers on the covers).  It
might be a good art class project.

Anyway, thought this might be a useful idea.

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:56:36 -0400
Subject: Rochester (NY) Origami Club

The next meeting of the

ROCHESTER (NY) ORIGAMI CLUB

Wednesday October 14, 1998      7 - 9 pm

Borders Books & Music  --  Cafe
1000 Hylan Drive     (across from Marketplace Mall)
Rochester NY

focus on Mask Folding

for more info call (716) 594-2366  or email at rorigami@yahoo.com

Club meets the second Wednesday of each Month

We hope there are some lurkers who will join us.





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:51:48 +0900
Subject: Re: Request for dog diagrams

> Andy Carpenter inquired about dog diagrams.
>
> There is a book of dog diagrams in Japanese, ISBN4-416-38616-8.  It's by
> Yasuhiro Sano.

I have another book of dogs by Sano-san:
"PAPER FOLDING FOR FUN  ORIGAMI 1" ISBN4-88643-008-2.
It is written in Japanese and English.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  We can rather cast blank votes than keep away from polls.  *
*    _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/                                     *
*   _/ HATORI Koshiro _/      hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp           *
*  _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/   http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/  *





From: Mark Saliers <msaliers@HOME.COM>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:02:06 -0700
Subject: Origami Dimensions Page Relocation

The Origami Dimensions page is being moved!

The new page is at:

http://www.saliers.addr.com/origami/orgdims.shtml





From: Vicky Mihara Avery <vavery@WENET.NET>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:53:34 -0700
Subject: San Franciso's Lillian Event

In addition to the Redwood Origami Club's hosting public workshops and
demonstrations in Santa Rosa from 10-4 on the 24th, I would like to
announce a second Northern Calif. location for the international "day of
folding" celebration on Lillian Oppenheimer's 100th birthday.

San Francisco and bay area (rapid) folders will teach and exhibit and
share origami in the mall front of the Kinokuniya Book Store in
Japantown, from 11:00am - 3:00pm on Saturday Oct 24.  An exhibition of
models will be presented in the Book store's window, and in the window
of Paper Tree (also in Japantown) from October 24th though October 31.
This will include models from the NOA group (Nippon Origami Association)
that visited us at Cherry Blossom Festival, as well as models from other
bay area folders.

Please feel free to contact me if you are interested in participating,
exhibiing, teaching or just coming to hang out!

Vicky Mihara Avery
(650) 728-3537
vavery@wenet.net





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 05:05:09 -0700 (
Subject: New diagrams

Hello all.

Ive added 50 pages of diagrams onto my web site, ranging from simple to
complex. Ive also added a section on basic folds, and intructions for
the simple bases and a few traditional models. The site is still far
from finished, but some of you may like an advanced peak.

The new pages are :
www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800/diagrams_new.html

The main site is :
http://fast.to/origami

Do enjoy, and with luck, I'll have it finished one of these days!

Stephen

PS : New models
Dinosaurs : allosaurus, procompsognathus (new improved), dimetrodon,
parasaurolophus, diplodocus, apatosaurus, stegosaurus(complex)
Fantasy : Unicorn(complex)
Animals : Thin cat,Elephant
Plants : Simple rose and base, vase, Prayer plant
Plus all the bases and some simple models

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From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:37:33 -0700
Subject: Origami Club date changes

Greetings,

      In a previous post I gave the wrong dates for the Origami Club
meetings in the South Windsor
Public Library.  They will be 11/15 & 11/22 and 12/6 & 12/13 at 2pm in the
program room of the
childrens department downstairs.  These are all Sunday afternoons.  We will
be working on holiday
models, unit origami and peace cranes.  Any folders in the tri town area are
welcome to join us for
an informal session, especially if you are a more advanced level folder than
intermediate level.

      I will be showing pictures from the Origami Festival in Charlotte at
our October 25th meeting.

Ria Sutter
Welcome to Ria's Fold  ^   ^





From: Andy Carpenter <Andy.Carpenter@MCI.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:18:08 -0600
Subject: Proof reading bird diagram
Importance: Normal

I am in the process of finalizing diagrams for a bird that I recently
folded. The model is 3-d has clawed feet (which the model will balance on)
and is probably an intermediate fold. Before I put the diagrams up on the
net I'd appreciate it if anyone wanted to proof read them and add their
comments. Hopefully I could then improve he diagrams before general posting.

I can provide the diagrams in either .vst (visio) or .pdf format. Please
email me privately if interested.

Andy.Carpenter@mci.com





From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:29:55 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Kasahara's unit horse, dog, bird...

From Thomas C Hull:
>Here's a fun, more simple exercise to get you started:
>Make a Sonobe-unit HEART!  I devised a way to do this with
>(I think - it was a long time ago during a rather interesting
>Valentine's Day...) 14 or 20 units, and doing this taught me a lot
>about this kind of Sonobe unit sculpting.

Sorry, I meant to ask this way back when it was written... Is this heart
3D or flat?

Thanks,
Wayne "Flu" Fluharty
wflu@hotmail.com

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From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:29:04 -0400 (
Subject: Re: COOP OF MONMOUTH CTY. MEETING

THERE WILL BE A MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT 7 OCLOCK AT THE MONMOUTH
COUNTY LIBRARY, SYMMES RD, MANALAPAN, N.J.  THIS WILL BE THE SECOND WEDNESDAY
NIGHT OF THE MONTH.   WE ARE REORGANIZING SO PLEASE TRY TO ATTEND.  DORIGAMI





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:07:30 -0700
Subject: Re: origami club changes
Dorigami pointed out to me that I left out some important details in my last
post today, namely the location
of South Windsor Public Library and the times.   South Windsor is east of
Hartford, Connecticut and the
library is on Sullivan Ave.  To repeat the times, they are at 2pm to
3or3:30pm on the following Sunday
afternoons 11/15 & 11/22, 12/6 & 12/12.  Dates in '99 need to be decided yet.

Thanks,
Ria Sutter





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:58:09 -0500
Subject: Re: New diagrams

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> Ive added 50 pages of diagrams onto my web site, ranging from simple to
> complex. Ive also added a section on basic folds, and intructions for
> the simple bases and a few traditional models. The site is still far
> from finished, but some of you may like an advanced peak.
>
> The new pages are :
> www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800/diagrams_new.html
>
> The main site is :
> http://fast.to/origami
>
> Do enjoy, and with luck, I'll have it finished one of these days!
>
> Stephen
>
> PS : New models
> Dinosaurs : allosaurus, procompsognathus (new improved), dimetrodon,
> parasaurolophus, diplodocus, apatosaurus, stegosaurus(complex)
> Fantasy : Unicorn(complex)
> Animals : Thin cat,Elephant
> Plants : Simple rose and base, vase, Prayer plant
> Plus all the bases and some simple models

Yippee!!!!!  Smorgasbord!!!!!!

Perry
--
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www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:29:10 +1000
Subject: Herman van Goubergen

A book by Michael La Fosse recently passed through work, I was very
interested in the "Gecko and Fly" model by Goubergen. I have since
discovered that the model can be found in "der Falter" No. 14 issue, but I
was wondering if it had been published elsewhere.

If this is the only place the model is available, it would be easier to
order a number of these issues, so does anyone have some favourites or
recommendations they could pass on?

In regards to the construction of the model, it looks to my untrained eye
like a series of twist-folds (like Kawasaki's rose) are used to create
the necessary flaps, but I am easily mistaken and would appreciate
illumination

The other twist-models by Chris Palmer are excellent as well. Are these in
print?

Enough questions. As alwasy, my thanks to those in the community who enjoy
sharing their knowledge

regards,
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:26:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Kasahara's unit horse, dog, bird...

Wayne asked:

>>>
Sorry, I meant to ask this way back when it was written... Is this heart
3D or flat?
<<<

3D.  The way I did mine, I had "cubey" things for the top of the heart
(actually, they were oriented to look more diamond-esque then
cubical) and then a "smooth" interlocking of Sonobe units
to construct the body.

I also made a little Sonobe-unit stand for it.  Wheee!

--- Tom "heart & soul" Hull





From: "J. Corley" <jamii@SWCP.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:42:27 -0600
Subject: Re: Herman van Goubergen

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Michael Gibson wrote:

> A book by Michael La Fosse recently passed through work, I was very
> interested in the "Gecko and Fly" model by Goubergen. I have since
> discovered that the model can be found in "der Falter" No. 14 issue, but I
> was wondering if it had been published elsewhere.
>
I'm also interested in finding any diagrams of Goubergen's work.  Where
does one find information about "der Falter"?

> If this is the only place the model is available, it would be easier to
> order a number of these issues, so does anyone have some favourites or
> recommendations they could pass on?
>
> In regards to the construction of the model, it looks to my untrained eye
> like a series of twist-folds (like Kawasaki's rose) are used to create
> the necessary flaps, but I am easily mistaken and would appreciate
> illumination
>
> The other twist-models by Chris Palmer are excellent as well. Are these in
> print?

 I don't know of any books with his work, but there's an excellant video
available at Origamido.
Hira-Ori: The Paper Folding Techniques of Chris K. Palmer

http://www.origamido.com/new.html

               Jamii

>
>
> Enough questions. As alwasy, my thanks to those in the community who enjoy
> sharing their knowledge
>
> regards,
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
> ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
> University of Canberra
> PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616
> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                     Jamii Corley   --- jamii@swcp.com





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:58:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Kawahata/THREE-D ANIMALS

Ariel inquired:

>         Does anyone know what models this book contains: Kawahata/THREE-D
> ANIMALS, ISBN4-900747-11-4. Any pictures on the net ?

There is a picture of the cover on Fascinating Folds web site
(http://www.fascinating-folds.com), use their search function with the
ISBN number.

Based on the name you're inquiring about that book under, you found it
on the OUSA web site (http://www.origami-usa.com/).  Kim's Crane
(http://www.kimscrane.com/) and/or Sasuga (http://www.sasugabooks.com)
might also carry it, I don't know.

Its interesting that the title doesn't seem to have a canonical
translation.

Since the title is not "constant" I'd suggest you use Joseph Wu's
archive search function for "Kawahata", I know this book has been
discussed before.  Start at Joseph's Home Page
(http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/)

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:03:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Kawahata/THREE-D ANIMALS

Doug Philips wrote:
> Based on the name you're inquiring about that book under, you found it
> on the OUSA web site (http://www.origami-usa.com/).  Kim's Crane

Oops.  Its http://www.origami-usa.org/  Sorry.

-D'gou





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:35:45 -0400
Subject: American Money

I heard on the radio this morning that the US govt was considering
contracting with someone other than Crane for creating currency
paper. Ever since I learned that Crane made currency paper, I've felt
that it's all the more important to fold it!

For info on the redesign:  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah

Does anyone know when the ones are supposed to change? My bank
told me they would order unused ones for me if I wanted 1000.
They don't normally order them because merchants don't like 'em.

ObOrigami: I learned a neat trick at convention that works quite
well with the large portrait on the new $20. Make a mountain
fold through the left edge of the mouth with the center of the
left pupil. Make a similar mountain fold through the right side.
Curl the paper to make a "rounded valley" between the two
mountain folds. Hold the bill with the top edge towards you and
look at the portrait. Then tilt the bill so that the bottom edge is
towards you. Surprise! This also works really nicely with the queen
on the old Canadian $2 and should work with *any* portrait
that is "head on" so that you can see all of the mouth and
both eyes. Larger portraits work better, so Jackson on the
new $20 is better than George on the $1, but he'll do it too.

Have fun!

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:08:46 -0500
Subject: anticlimax

If you haven't gone to Doc O'Hanlon's web page yet and looked at the new
models you ought to!  They are good, even a stegasaurus with a grumpy
look on its face!

Then when you have time, I added something silly to my web page, it's
called Eyebrows, the Watcher, it's a doodle from a 3x5 index card, that
was too cute to trash.  To the other folks who already designed a
similar model, can you send me a copy, I would like to see it!  Really I
would, I like the strange and the cute.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <----Web Page with Diagrams!





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:28:28 +0200
Subject: Kawahata/THREE-D ANIMALS

HI !!!

        Does anyone know what models this book contains: Kawahata/THREE-D
ANIMALS, ISBN4-900747-11-4. Any pictures on the net ?





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:29:10 +0200
Subject: Herman's models

Hi all !

For those interested in locating the models by Herman Van Goubergen, here
is a provisional list of what has been published, and where (private info
by Herman):

-------------------
gecko/fly = gecko and fly on the wall
reader = reading the newspaper
o/u water = on the water, under water

Oru 3 : reader
Oru collection 1 : gorilla

BOS convention books :
autumn 92 : snake
autumn 93 : cherub
spring 95 : gecko/fly
spring 96 : o/u water

AEP (Spain) convention books :
93 : gorilla, cherub
96 : snake, pecking bird, reader, cherub, lion, gorilla, whelk, o/u water

CDO (Italy) convention books :
93 : cherub
94 : gecko/fly

MFPP (France) convention books :
94 : gecko/fly, gorilla
96 : whelk, simple spinning top

OD (Germany) convention book 94 : gecko/fly, cherub

FOCA/OUSA convention books :
94 : cherub, reader
95 : gorilla, pecking bird, snake
96 : lion, airmail, whelk, o/u water, car

Magazines :

Le Pli (MFPP) :
#66 o/u water
#65 gohei heart chain
#62-63 car, airmail
#56 cherub
#55 lion
#52 reader
#49 pecking bird

Der Falter (OD) :
#19 o/u water
#17 car
#14 gecko/fly
#10 reader

Pajarita (AEP) :
#55 o/u water, reader
#46 gecko/fly

Quadrato Magico (CDO) :
#45 o/u water
#41 airmail, car
#38 whelk
#37 snake
#36 gorilla
#35 lion
#33 reader

Das Diagramm (OM) (Munich) :
#23 car
#16 gorilla
#14 lion

BOS magazine :
#177 o/u water
#174 airmail
#173 car
#160 reader
#152 pecking bird
#146 gorilla
#139 whelk
#128 lion
--------------------------

Hope this helps.
Roberto





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:29:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami for the Connoisseur and Origami Omnibus

Just a heads-up...Origami for the Connoisseur and Origami Omnibus just arrived
today and are available for purchase from Kim's Crane.  If you live in the USA
and placed an advance order, your order has already been shipped.

Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane (Kim's Crane)
http://www.kimscrane.com





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:32:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Herman van Goubergen

J. Corley <jamii@SWCP.COM> sez

>I'm also interested in finding any diagrams of Goubergen's work.  Where
>does one find information about "der Falter"?

Go to the BOS site - check links & there's a link to their site. A
superb magazine, well worth reading even if your German is less than
wonderful ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:37:39 +0100
Subject: comments wanted

Hi there, I've just uploaded an update to the BOS homepage, featuring a
new bit of code that offers non-underlined links.

Please don't start a mass debate about whether this is a good idea or
not, but if anyone *can't* access these links, I'd very much like to
know what browser & version you use. If it's a major problem I'll then
restore it to the previous format!

Please sign the guestbook while you're there!

thanks,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:57:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Herman van Goubergen

> A book by Michael La Fosse recently passed through work, I was very
> interested in the "Gecko and Fly" model by Goubergen. I have since
> discovered that the model can be found in "der Falter" No. 14 issue, but I
> was wondering if it had been published elsewhere.

The diagrams for this model also appear in one of the past convention books
of the BOS. Many of these are still available from BOS Supplies. The only
problem is I can't recall which pack contains this model. I'll see if I can
look this weekend.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:28:54 +0900
Subject: Re: Herman van Goubergen

> A book by Michael La Fosse recently passed through work, I was very
> interested in the "Gecko and Fly" model by Goubergen. I have since
> discovered that the model can be found in "der Falter" No. 14 issue, but I
> was wondering if it had been published elsewhere.

It is also diagramed in Origami Tanteidan Newsletter Vol.6.
The diagrams are written by Yoshino Issei.
They are still available now. Check their site:
http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/

> In regards to the construction of the model, it looks to my untrained eye
> like a series of twist-folds (like Kawasaki's rose) are used to create
> the necessary flaps, but I am easily mistaken and would appreciate
> illumination

I think they are called box-pleats.

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From: Becky Zec <imbz@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:11:37 -0500
Subject: Diagram Assist
Priority: normal

Hello,

  I've been lurking....and have realized how utterly over my head
this is for me....  :)   I thought I'd ask for an assist with
something anyway.  I've got a book called Festive Folding and I've
folded the Man in the Moon and the Ghost for Halloween.  I found a
diagram on the net for something called Pumpkin Face and have gotten
down to the last two steps but I simply can not figure how to
complete them.  I'm wondering if someone could check it out, here is
the URL for the diagram:

http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models.bin/PumpkinF.gif

I'd also like to know if anyone is aware if any other origami lists.

Thanks!

Becky Zec
Stumped folder





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:32:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Diagram Assist

Hi Becky,
  Do not go away, the list is for all levels. If a discussion is over your
head
do not worry about it, just stay out of that part of the pond or ask for
help. Origami is allot like playing a piano the more you play the better (in
most cases) you get. Also some people like to play classics, some jazz, but
some people are forever happy with
simple tunes. For me one look at an Origami math question and it is in the
deleted file. Not my idea of fun but it is FUN for a lot of folders. Sort
out the posts you like and do not worry about the rest.

About Pumpkin Face...I did a quick look and I think that your problem may be
at step 6. Looking at step 7 the mouth triangle is in between the layers of
the fold as you are told to do in step 6 but how you do this is not clear, I
did not have the time to figure it out. Sy Chen is on the list so I hope you
get a clarification from the creator. I would not like to 2ed guess unless
you do not get a reply.

-I'd also like to know if anyone is aware if any other origami lists.
I do not think there are any other O-lists.

have fun

Hobbit





From: joyce saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:05:11 -0400
Subject: 16th C.D.O. CONVENTION

I have just received an e-mail message  along with a Microsoft word
attachment from Sara Giarrusso  who handles foreign affairs for CDO Italia.
Sara's message follows:

I'm sending you the word file CDO98.doc with the information you may
need about our next convention, which will be held from the 5th to the
8th December 1998 at Castel San Pietro Terme (BO).

If you are interested in learning more about this convention,  Sara can be
reached by e-mail at papersar@tin.it.  Her complete address label is:

Sara Giarrusso
Viale San Gimignano, 2
20146 Milano - Italy
Tel: ++39-2-48300288
e-mail: papersar@tin.it
Foreign Affairs for CDO Italia
Casella Postale 42
21040 Caronno Varesino (VA) - Italy

Joyce Saler





From: Becky Zec <imbz@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:28:13 -0500
Subject: Problem solved
Priority: normal

I wanted to thank those of you who responded with help on the Pumpkin
Face diagram!   I was able to figure it out and the finished pumpkin
is great....makes a good addition to my Halloween decoration
collection.

Becky Zec
Druid Folder





From: David M Foulds <dmfoulds@ORIGAMI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:00:08 +0100
Subject: Hello again

Hi there,

It's nice to be back on the list after a hiatus of about three months, thanks
to the new free Internet access service, Freeserve, which includes a POP3
email account.  I was also lucky enough to get origami as my subdomain 8^)

At the last BOS convention in Nottingham I displayed some of my latest designs
on the exhibition table.  I wanted to include a name card to identify myself
and had been intent on including the title of my website, Dave's Origami.
However, there are a number of members called David so it wouldn't have been
very distinguishing!  I decided to use an alternative which I had been
thinking about for some time.  My choice seemed to go down rather well so I
have decided to change the title of my website to this new name.

Say goodbye to Dave's Origami, and please welcome Foulds' Folds.

Time now to check back through the archives!

Dave

--
David M Foulds [dmfoulds@origami.freeserve.co.uk] [dmfoulds@bigfoot.com]

Foulds' Folds - Selected Origami Designs
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





From: David M Foulds <dmfoulds@ORIGAMI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:15:00 +0100
Subject: Origami Sightings

Hi there,

I've noticed Origami being used quite a lot recently in UK adverts and TV
programmes, as well as print advertisements.

About one month ago a Nationwide Building Society TV advert included 3
traditional flapping birds, shown animated flapping across the screen.

The Air Show on BBC2, all about the Farnborough Air Show, used a multitude of
(no doubt computer generated) paper airplanes gliding through the sky, for the
programme's titles.

A couple of weeks ago, a Eurostar TV advert showed a young boy sat at a table
folding, with various models visible on the table.  Did one of our members
fold the models for this advert?

Finally, on the BBC2 Blue Peter Night on Saturday, there was a short section
on Origami, with a close up of a Swan, and a quick shot of a large display.
Was the BOS originally involved with that item?

Dave

--
David M Foulds [dmfoulds@origami.freeserve.co.uk] [dmfoulds@bigfoot.com]

Foulds' Folds - Selected Origami Designs
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:58:40 -0100
Subject: who invented these models, please?

Hi,             10/10/98

I'm surfacing briefly to ask who created 2  models I'll be teaching this
Tuesday for a Christmas origami ornament workshop for a church group.  I've
diagrammed them from reverse-engineering models in my over-flowing box of
things I've made, learned or been given, but want to give proper credit for
these lovely models. Here are  descriptions/directions for the 2 models  in
hopes that you can tell me who first published them (and, if possible,
when/where).

Many thanks,
Karen
reeds@openix.com

1. Link for chain--simple. Fold long sides of narrow rectangle to center
and unfold. Fold down the top and bottom short ends as tabs going in
opposite directions.  Roll the paper into a circle, hook the two tabs into
each other, and lock by folding into the circle along the long creases.
[The group will be recycling church bulletins to make chains.]

2. Five-pointed, 5-piece modular Star. Position square on point as a
diamond. White side up.
1) Crease diagonal of square.
2) Valley fold both top edges to diagonal, bisecting the two top 45 degree
angles. Now you have an upside-down ice-cream cone. The top point of the
cone will be a point of the finished star.
3)Valley fold loose bottom triangle (the icecream) upward.
4)Unfold everything. You see a tall isosceles triangle of creases in the
middle of the square. The spot where the base of the creased triangle hits
the lower-right side becomes a landmark.
5)Valley fold lower-left edge to the right, parallel to the edge, bisecting
the length between bottom point and landmark point. You now have a narrow
rectangular layer on top.
6) At the lower left folded edge of the rectangle, you'll see a point where
the original diagonal and the creased base of interior triangle meet. Pull
the top righthand loose point of the rectangular flap down along existing
creases to that point (sort of a rabbit-ear) creating a loose triangular
flap pointing downwards. Call this Flap A  and note the pocket inside it.
7) Valley-fold the righthand corner of the original square along the
existing crease from Step 2). This long right triangle will partially cover
the rectangular flap of Step 5), leaving a small  triangle pointing
downwards.
8) Valley-fold this small triangle upwards  along base of right-hand right
triangle and unfold. Call this small triangle Tab B.
MODULE FINISHED. MAKE FIVE.

9) To assemble. Start with Module 1 with star-point pointing upwards and
Tab B1 pointing downwards, and with Module 2 with star-point pointing to
the right and Tab B2 pointing to the left.
10) Slide Module 2 around the long right side of Module 1, so that Flap A2
covers the bottom-right corner of Mod 1's tall right triangle, and Tab B1
rests on top of Mod 2's tall right-hand triangle. (The piece of Mod 2 under
Flap A2 slides under Mod 1. )
11) Lock modules together by tucking Tab B1 into the pocket of Flap A2.
12) Continue around. 4 modules give you a flat 4-pointed start. For the
five-pointed star, you will have to valley-fold along original diagonals
(leading to the points of the star), and mountain-fold along the outer edge
of the Flap As.
Star looks good either way up. Especially nice in foil.





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:49:49 -0500
Subject: Re: who invented these models, please?

The star is by Nick Robinson. It appears in the out-of-print "Classic
Origami" by Paul Jackson. Jackson's folding sequence produces a module
with more pre-creases, so that the five-pointed version can be made
without additional folding at the end.

I have taught both the star and the chain link recently. They are
excellent designs for teaching.

-Jane





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:11:23 -0400
Subject: Re: who invented these models, please?

The chain link is David Shall's.

Rona





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:03:29 -0400
Subject: Re: who invented these models, please?

Jane Rosemarin wrote:
>
> The star is by Nick Robinson. It appears in the out-of-print "Classic
> Origami" by Paul Jackson. Jackson's folding sequence produces a module
> with more pre-creases, so that the five-pointed version can be made
> without additional folding at the end.

Just a note about "Classic Origami" (which happens to be an excellent
book and one of my all time favorites, but I digress).  It is apparently
still in print, or at least still available, in England.  In the US the
contents of that book have been reused and glommed together with another
book, the two books being released as one book under a few different
titles.  I haven't done a contents analysis, so I can't say if any of
the re-releases exactly contain the same set of models.  Unfortunately,
the releasing with different titles and slightly different content has
also happened to Gay Merrill Gross' books.

If you want more explicit details, the archives of this list should be
quite informative, I've posted additional details in the past.

-Doug





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:34:53 +0200
Subject: Re: Request for dog diagrams
On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Andy Carpenter wrote:
> Does anyone know of any really good diagrams of dogs
...
> something on a par with Brill's horse or lion(s) or various Lang animals.

I think there are a dog from Dave Brill in the book Brilliant Origami.

Hope that helps
        Julius





From: Tung Ken Lam <TKLam@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:46:26 -0400
Subject: Origami sighting (Edge magazine Nov 98)

Seen in "develop" section (page 91) of Edge, a UK computer and video games
magazine). In a column on recruiting staff for his startup computer games
company, Denis Hassabis tells of his interview of candidate Joe McDonagh
who listed origami and boxing as his interests:

"But after only narrowly beating him in a race to make the classic origami
model, the crane, I wisely decided against testing out his boxing skills...
Clearly he was crazy (after all, what sort of man comes to a job interview
armed with origami papers in his wallet)"

It seems I'm not alone in always having paper handt for an idle moment
(7.5cm Muji paper fits neatlythe pockets of most wallets)





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:16:25 -0100
Subject: Re: who invented these models, please?

>The chain link is David Shall's.
>
>Rona

Thanks very much.  I am so glad to be able to give David Shall credit for
this wonderful model.
Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:19:31 -0100
Subject: Re: who invented these models, please?

>The star is by Nick Robinson. It appears in the out-of-print "Classic
>Origami" by Paul Jackson. Jackson's folding sequence produces a module
>with more pre-creases, so that the five-pointed version can be made
>without additional folding at the end.
>
>I have taught both the star and the chain link recently. They are
>excellent designs for teaching.
>
>-Jane

Thanks very much for identifying the creator and the book. I'll keep a copy
of your email in my copy of Jackson's terrific book, and check out the
folding sequence before I teach it tomorrow.
Glad to know that I've chosen good models for teaching.

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:29:21 +1000
Subject: Re: Request for dog diagrams

On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Julius Kusserow wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Andy Carpenter wrote:
> > Does anyone know of any really good diagrams of dogs
> ...
> > something on a par with Brill's horse or lion(s) or various Lang animals.
>

As you mentioned Lang I assume you have seen the two dogs featured in
"Origami Zoo" - a collie and a setter if I remember correctly.
Akira Yoshizawa also has a compound dog base in "Sosaku Origami", which he
uses to create a wide variety of different breeds.

I think Montroll also created a "dog base" in Origami Sculptures, and
features the instructions for 3 or 4 different breeds (with varying
results)

Hope this helps,

Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:03:22 -0500
Subject: Help needed with folding dragon!!
Priority: normal

Hi,

I'm trying to fold Ian's dragons
(www.accessin.com.au/~paris/datasj/origami.htm), but get stuck
every time at step 13: "mountain fold the little flap (edge) indicated".
I'm not sure I understand what a mountain-fold is... What to do
here? I would be very grateful if somebody could help me!

Thanks a lot,

Ciao, Thies
Ecuador
----------------------------------
Thies de Waard
Apartado Postal 01-01-862
Cuenca, ECUADOR
+593-7-822052 (thuis/home/casa)
+593-7-840254 (werk/office/oficina)
Ik heb nu slechts n email-adres/
I now have only one email address/
Ahora solo tengo una direccin de correo electrnico:
twaard@c.ecua.net.ec





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:39:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Problem solved (Pumpkin Face)

Thanks for trying this model. I am willing to improve the diagram if you
can give me a little more detail about the confusion and where you got
stuck thru private e-mail. Anyway here is another challenge:
You can make two lower center teeth by adding extra pleat in step 7.
Happy Halloween!

At 06:28 PM 10/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I wanted to thank those of you who responded with help on the Pumpkin
>Face diagram!   I was able to figure it out and the finished pumpkin
>is great....makes a good addition to my Halloween decoration
>collection.
>
>Becky Zec
>Druid Folder
>
|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 04:57:53 -0700
Subject: Complexity ratings

In both my attempts at designing and in finding new models I keep coming
across those complexity ratings, and I'm just wondering what they mean.

For me, since I fold very differently from the average person, most of these
ratings end up meaning nothing, and I actually have to read the instructions
to find out if I should consider trying the design.  I end up, in some
cases, being able to fold the most complicated design in a book, and finding
the supposedly intermediate folds impossible.

        Bugly





From: Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:01:34 -0500
Subject: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!
Priority: normal

I wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to fold Ian's dragons
(www.accessin.com.au/~paris/datasj/origami.htm), but get stuck
every time at step 13: "mountain fold the little flap (edge) indicated".
I'm not sure I understand what a mountain-fold is... What to do
here? I would be very grateful if somebody could help me!

Thanks a lot,

Ciao, Thies
Ecuador

There's a small mistake in the direction: datasj should be datajs.
Bur perhaps it would be enough if someone could just explain to me
what a mountain fold is. I don't know a lot about the technical terms
of Origami yet (is there a site that gives information about those
terms?). I have been able to deduce form diagrams what valley
folds and squash folds are, but the mountain fold appearantly is
beyond my intellectual capacities...

Thanks.

Thies
----------------------------------
Thies de Waard
Apartado Postal 01-01-862
Cuenca, ECUADOR
+593-7-822052 (thuis/home/casa)
+593-7-840254 (werk/office/oficina)
Ik heb nu slechts n email-adres/
I now have only one email address/
Ahora solo tengo una direccin de correo electrnico:
twaard@c.ecua.net.ec





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:32:46 -0500
Subject: Re: moose, moose, moose, moooooooose
Ariel asked about moose models.

The Origami Tanteidan 4th Convention moose is on the Internet. I haven't
folded it, or the Lang model you referred to, but from the pictures, this
one looks very much like a moose.
Two photos of it are at:

http://www.cnet-sb.ne.jp/anzai/con4\12-2.jpg

http://www.cnet-sb.ne.jp/anzai/con4\14-2.jpg

The convention site, mentioned on the origami list a few months ago, has
many other photos of models and people:
http://www.cnet-sb.ne.jp/anzai/con4.html

Does anyone know who designed the moose in the 4th convention book?

-Jane





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:59:00 -0400 (
Subject: moose, moose, moose, moooooooose

>The Origami Tanteidan 4th Convention moose is on the Internet. I haven't
>folded it, or the Lang model you referred to, but from the pictures, this
>one looks very much like a moose.
>Two photos of it are at:
>
>http://www.cnet-sb.ne.jp/anzai/con4\12-2.jpg
>
>http://www.cnet-sb.ne.jp/anzai/con4\14-2.jpg

Are folding instructions on-line, too?





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:07:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!
At 10:01 AM 10/13/98 -0500, Thies de Waard <twaard@C.ECUA.NET.EC>  wrote:

>I'm not sure I understand what a mountain-fold is... What to do
>here? I would be very grateful if somebody could help me!

Mountain and valley folds are the basic building blocks of origami. They
are closely related to each other in the sme way that a convex object is
related to a concave object; the two are the same, but just viewed from
opposite ends. When you partially unfold a valley fold, you are left with a
concave "valley." If you were to turn the paper over, you would have a
convex "mountain" like shape. Diagrammers do nopt always tel the folder to
turn the paper over to form a valley fold; often it is a lot easier (and
clearer) to just say make a mountain fold.

Marc





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:05:31 -0500
Subject: Re: moose, moose, moose, moooooooose

>Are folding instructions on-line, too?

No. Just pictures.

-Jane





From: New World Society <granados@DNS1.ONLINE.COM.MX>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:16:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!
> Bur perhaps it would be enough if someone could just explain to me
> what a mountain fold is. I don't know a lot about the technical terms
> of Origami yet (is there a site that gives information about those
> terms?). I have been able to deduce form diagrams what valley
> folds and squash folds are, but the mountain fold appearantly is
> beyond my intellectual capacities...
>

Hi, I'm having serious problem when i'm folding. And my problems start when
in some diagram sence "Valley Folding" or "squach" and some other techical
statements that i don't handle, so, I'll be glad if you explainme some of
them or send me the information that somebody reply to you 'bout the
techniques.

For Your Atention,
Thank U Very Much.

The New World Society





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:54 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

Call it morbid curiosity....

Any day now, I will get my copy of the new edition of Origami for the
Connoisseur.  I have gotten more than a fleeting look at the
out-of-print version.

So is the new edition as good as the old one?  Does it have all the same
models?

I ask because a recent trip to a used bookstore yielded a copy of
Kenneway's Paperfolding for Fun.  "Oh neat, a hedgehog model.  Should be
on page 84.  Wait a minute--THERE IS NO PAGE 84!  AUGHHHH!"  Having
pooh-poohed the postings about cannibalization of old books for
reprints, my origami karma caught up with me.  Please say it isn't so
for the new OFTC!

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:29:58 +0200
Subject: moose, moose, moose, moooooooose

Hi to all !!!!

                    I am looking for detailed models of mooses. As it was
mentioned many times on the list, the best moose ever is not yet diagrammed,
nor it seems ( regretably and sadly) that it will be diagrammed in the near
future ( you can see it here http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/  ->
Galleries->Other Impressive Origami ->moose, made by R.Lang).

                    So I am looking for other alternative mooses. After some
emailing and looking in OUSA index, the mooses I know of are:
                    - Origami Tanteidan 4th convention book ( does it look
more like a generic horned animal ?)
                    - John Montrol's North american animals
                    - a moose in some book of Kasahara ( which ?)
                    - a moose by Kawahata that is in fact a crease layout
and it is mentioned casually in a math article describing Kawahata's
technique. (is it diagrammed in any book ?)

                    My questions therefore are:

                    1) Does anyone know of any moose other than those
mentioned above?

                    2) Does anyone have pictures of any of those mooses I
mentioned ( to see how realistic are compared to Robert Lang's masterwork)

                    3) Does anyone know which Kasahara book (title, ISBN) a
moose is featured ?

Thanks.





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:31:57 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

Another question:

Is the binding any better in the new edition? The original edition
has a very tight binding that makes it hard to use the book
without breaking the binding. I would almost consider buying
another copy if the new edition has an "easier-to-use" binding.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

PS for users of the first edition: If you clip a full-sized clothespin
to both the left and right sides of the open book, they will do a
reasonably good job of holding it open.





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:23 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Sightings - Blue Peter

> Finally, on the BBC2 Blue Peter Night on Saturday, there was a short section
> on Origami, with a close up of a Swan, and a quick shot of a large display.
> Was the BOS originally involved with that item?

I believe the models were contributed by Akira Yoshizawa, who was a guest
on the programme. I think his vist and display was featured in one of
the Blue Peter annuals - number 21?

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:26:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed with folding dragon!!

At 11:03 PM 98-10-12 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to fold Ian's dragons

www.accessin.com.au/~paris/datasj/origami.htm

I was unable to access this site.  I love dragons, and would like to see
these.  Would you please check the URL?

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:27:50 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

>PS for users of the first edition: If you clip a full-sized clothespin
>to both the left and right sides of the open book, they will do a
>reasonably good job of holding it open.

If you can find one of those plexiglas cookbook holders at a kitchenwares
store, this is also excellent.  I have always used mine for OFTC, and it
has held up very well.

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:40:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Correction Help needed with folding dragon!!

At 10:01 AM 98-10-13 -0500, you wrote:
>
>There's a small mistake in the direction: datasj should be datajs.

OK, got it this time.  A mountain fold is the opposite of a valley.  I
think you should be able to just fold the little flap down *away* from you.
 I'll try folding it later this week, and then if I'm wrong we can both
send out for help!

                Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:45:46 -0400
Subject: Re: The New OFTC, A Question

At 04:31 PM 98-10-13 -0400, you wrote:
>Another question:
>
>Is the binding any better in the new edition? The original edition
>has a very tight binding that makes it hard to use the book
>without breaking the binding. I would almost consider buying
>another copy if the new edition has an "easier-to-use" binding.

That's true of both books.  In fact I now find my favourite models quite
easily, Whole sections just fall out as needed!!

                        CAthy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:37:51 -0700
Subject: Re: The New OFTC

Does anyone know in what language the new OFTC was published?

Dorothy
