




From: David Harter <tamagotchi@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:38:42 -0400
Subject: Rose Cube

There's a really neat Rose on the CHAOS web site (Chicago Area Origami
Society).  Its a cube that apparently flattens out into a rose.  Can
anyone tell me where I might find the folding directions for this one?

http://www.suba.com/~blonnie/gallery.html

Check it out!

Regards,
David Harter





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:52:58 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami requires abstract thinking??

martin wrote:

> What human characteristics do you think the test measures and are those
> characteristics abundant in those skilled in origami? Are there many
> electrical engineers doing origami?
>
Please be careful with the testresult.

I'm an electical engineer and the most of my collegues, too. I started
with an origami workshop with them and I tought them some taditional
japanese models. (At that time they where beginners) It was very
succsessful, so that a second workshop is required.
I think, it's easy to fold paper with engineers, because the have the
ability of abstract thinking.
BUT other people, who don't needs any abstract thinking for theire job,
Origami could open a new world. (inside and outside of brain)

I am shure that origami could be an interface between art and
mathematic.
The ability to think abstract you can learn.
And, don't forget the possibilities. If there are different people with
different abilities and folding together, the result will be greater
than every body have nearly the same abilities.

Torsten





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:22:40 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami sighting

Wayne,
At 04.46 20/9/1998 PDT, you wrote:
>
>After detailed instructions and variuos
>folds, however, our fluted papers didn't quite match the instructor's.
>Dismayed, I leaned over and asked my friend, "What is this?"
>   He replied, "Origami chemistry."

Ehm.... I am a chemist, with several students in a lab course. The same
thing invariably occurs when students try their skills on fluted paper
filters. They never match mine. I am expecting a comment like that, some
day or another....

Roberto





From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:58:32 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Rose Cube

>There's a really neat Rose on the CHAOS web site (Chicago Area
>Origami Society).  Its a cube that apparently flattens out into a
>rose.  Can anyone tell me where I might find the folding directions
>for this one?

Just as a reminder to those who have been on the list for a while and as
an introduction to those who are "new" to the list, you can search the
origami-l archives at Joseph Wu's page:
   http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/
I've discovered that sometimes it is better to go search the archives
before asking a question or just in general to look for answers because
most topics have been discussed on the list before and checking the
archives can give you the answer you are looking for or help you to
define the question better.

As for the infamous "Rose Cube", many of us are anxiously waiting for
the day that these diagrams become available. As of right now, they are
not ready, but are being worked on... <sigh> :)

Wayne "Flu" Fluharty
wflu@hotmail.com

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From: Renata Fontenelle <ren@NLINK.COM.BR>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:25:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Origami supply shops in NYC

Janet,

Thank you very much for your help.
The list on your page will be most useful.

Cheers,

Renata

At 10:12 18/09/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Could anyone in the NY area provide me with some addresses of origami
>>supplies stores in the area?
>>Thanks a bunch,
>>Renata
>
>
>Check my web page at http://www.concentric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml
>
>Janet Hamilton
>
>mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
>http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj





From: Gareth Morfill <gmorfill@REDBRICK.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:27:41 -0400
Subject: Origami Sighting - Penn & Teller

Last night on Penn & Teller - Sin City Experienceon the Fox Cable channel
FX - vetran performer Jay Marshall (??) performed a wonderful routine with
a paper hat that unfolded through a series of hats to a sheet of newspaper.
Very entertaining - I believe the show will be repeated tonight.
Cheers - Gareth

PS - Anyone know of this routine and can share some details???





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:36:52 -0700
Subject: Morphing hats (was Re: Origami Sighting - Penn & Teller)
At 09:27 98/09/21 -0400, you wrote:
>Last night on Penn & Teller - Sin City Experienceon the Fox Cable channel
>FX - vetran performer Jay Marshall (??) performed a wonderful routine with
>a paper hat that unfolded through a series of hats to a sheet of newspaper.
>Very entertaining - I believe the show will be repeated tonight.
>Cheers - Gareth
>
>PS - Anyone know of this routine and can share some details???

I didn't see it, but it sounds like the traditional printer's (painter's)
hat series. It can be found in Steve & Megumi Biddle's "The New Origami"
(ISBN 0-09-177667-8). Their version starts with a "party hat" (or "G.I.
hat"), progresses to the "printer's hat", with stops along the way for a
"jester's cap" and a "mortar-board" ("graduation cap"), before becoming a
"bishop's mitre".

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From: Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:36:29 -0400
Subject: Origami hearing, part II

I s'pose the Boulez composition "Pli Selon Pli" may well be considered
origami-related, and certainly predates Eve6's "Inside Out" by quite a few
years.

-- Jim Puccio





From: Darren Scott <Darren.Scott@SCI.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:32:31 +0000
Subject: 2D -Origami
Priority: normal

I've just picked up a copy of  Origami Quilts - Japanese by Tomoko
Fuse - 4-480-87261-2 and wanted to know if there is any other simlar
books of web pages out there.

Thanks in advance

Darren Scott





From: Stephen Hudson <Sah5234@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:41:05 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami hearing

Well, now that you ask I do know of an Origami hearing on an older Newsboys CD
called Going Public. The song is Shine ...dull as dirt you can't assert the
kind of light that might persuade a strict dictator to retire fire the army
teach the poor Origami
the truth is in...      Love that song! Uh, anyway...

>What with all these sightings, I figure it's about time that someone mention
what may be the first instance of origami cropping up in music - the current
>hit single by the band "Eve 6" (don't know the song title... sorry), has
among its lyrics "... my origami, fold it up and just pretend ..."

>Know of any others?

>-- Jim Puccio





From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:08:40 -0400
Subject: Query on Tissue Foil and Rollataq

I almost never fold foil but some models need to be folded in that
media for good results.  For these I like to use tissue foil rather
than regular foil because, personally, I find it more appealing.

Several months ago during a discussion on how to make tissue foil I
suggested using Rollataq...no, I don't work for the company...a few
people mentioned that they were going to try it as an alternative.  My
question is how did it compare with the other methods of making tissue
foil?

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:00:33 +0100
Subject: Origami Songs

Old songs --
Paper Moon -- <<<It's only a paper moon hanging over a cardboard sky.>>>
Paper Roses -- or is it Faded Roses, wrapped in paper --- either way it
qualifies.
Paper Doll --- Ink Spots Tune --- <<<I'd rather have a paper doll to call
my own than have a fickle minded real live girl.>>>

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: http://www.modelshops.com <<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Gerard Blais <Gerard.Blais.gblais@NT.COM>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:41:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Query on Tissue Foil and Rollataq

> Several months ago during a discussion on how to make tissue foil I
> suggested using Rollataq...no, I don't work for the company...a few

Sorry, I guess I missed the discussion...
What's Rollataq?  Some kind of glue?

Gerard
Montreal, Qc, Canada
(testing accents... )





From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:12:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Query on Tissue Foil and Rollataq

Gerard:
>Sorry, I guess I missed the discussion...
>What's Rollataq?  Some kind of glue?

___________________
Rollataq I think is the name of the dispenser (I use a hand held
model) which rolls a thin layer of glue onto a surface.  Daige is the
manufacturer.  For the few models that I do in foil it has worked for
me.  I'm just curious if anyone else tried it and what they thought.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:01:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Query on Tissue Foil and Rollataq

At 02:08 PM 9/22/98 -0400, "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM> wrote:

>Several months ago during a discussion on how to make tissue foil I
>suggested using Rollataq...no, I don't work for the company...a few
>people mentioned that they were going to try it as an alternative.  My
>question is how did it compare with the other methods of making tissue
>foil?

I investigated it and am still sticking with (pun not intended) 3M Artists
Adhesive (which I have no affiliation with). I discussed Rolataq with some
people who sell it, and for the sizes I work with (typically greater than
18"), I would have to purchase one of their special automated (or
semi-automated) applicators. I recall these cost in the 100's of dollars,
and I really did not want to experiment on my nice papers either. For
smaller projects, the Rollataq could be a reasonable alternative.

Marc





From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:18:58 -0400
Subject: Help with R.Lang's Rock Climber

I have been trying to fold Robert Lang's Rock Climber model found in the
1993 OUSA Annual Collection.  So far, I am stuck on the sequence in steps
33 - 36. I do not understand the rabbit ear on one side, fold flap over
and do rabbit ear on other side, then finally pull two layers out.  I end
up with mush when I pull the inner layer out.  :-(  My husband is really
into rock climbing, so I'd really like to be able to fold this model -- it
looks really cool.  Any help you can give would be much appreciated.

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





From: lnahbyrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:35:26 -0500
Subject: Traditional American Frog?

I would like to know if there are other published sources for the
traditional American frog in Eric Kenneway's Complete Origami. I would like
to create an original set of diagrams similar to those diagrams (with
slight modifications) so that I can distribute them freely when people ask
how to make them. The frogs are listed as traditional, but I would like
further confirmation/research. I am making 1500 frogs to give to
underprivileged and at-risk kids as part of a charity event this Saturday.
I would like to give them diagrams also, but I don't want to infringe on
anyone's work. I am also teaching several people who would like to teach
their boy/girl scout troups, church groups, etc., and I hope to do several
teaching sessions at local stores/libraries. Any suggestions would be
_greatly_ appreciated.

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:58:24 +0900
Subject: Re: Origami hearing, part II

> I s'pose the Boulez composition "Pli Selon Pli" may well be considered
> origami-related, and certainly predates Eve6's "Inside Out" by quite a few
> years.

Boulez's "Pli Selon Pli" comes from Mallarme's poem
"Rememoration d'amis belges". The first part reads,

     A des heures et sans que tel souffle l'emeuve
     Toute la vetuste presque couleur encens
     Comme furtive d'elle et visible je sens
     Que se devet pli selon pli la pierre veuve

     (Accents are removed)

So I don't think it relates to origami.

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From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:14:00 +0900
Subject: Re: Origami hearing

Many of Japanese songs are related to origmi.
Two of them includes "origami" in their titles.

One is Murashita Kozo's "Origami",
and another is Dreaming's "Origami-no Uta (A Song of Origami)"

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From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:43:25 -0700
Subject: NO: Ink Spots, Paper Doll

Martin R. Carbone wrote about some old songs, including one by one of my
favorite old groups, the Ink Spots.  Recently I found a great old
collection of their stuff (and another one of the Mills Brothers, BTW) and
have been playing it around the house, in the car, etc.

Last week I overheard my 13 year old singing along with "Paper Doll," but
she misheard the lyric quoted by Martin.  Here's what she sang:

"I'd rather have a paper doll, to call my own, than have a pickle with a
real live girl"

Needless to say, the car had to be pulled over until I could quit laughing!

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:19:11 +0100
Subject: Paper folding project

Check out <<<http://www.papershops.com/fold1.html>>> it is the first screen
of four, all clickable in succession. We are extremely proud of the photos.
Feel free to browse around, you may also be interested in the <<<Paper and
Plotter>>>  and <<<Scoring Techniques>>>, both screens reached through
<<<Information>>> at the Home screen. Comments are invited --- good and
bad.

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: http://www.modelshops.com <<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:49:34 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Songs

martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM> sez

>Old songs --

There's a origami top 20 from Jeff Beynon at the bos site under
"highlights 130-139"

all the best,

Nick Robinson

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:21:50 -0700 (
Subject: Web site

For all your entertainment, Ive added a few new photos to my web page.
The much promised diagrams will be added soon...the 60 mile round trip
to use the scanner at Cambridge is putting me off!

Stephen

www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800

Enjoy!

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From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:16:46 -0400
Subject: Littleton (MA, USA) Origami Group Meeting Next Tuesday

Hi Everyone,

A monthly reminder, the Littleton Origami Group is meeting next Tuesday,
September 29th at the Reuben Hoar Library from 7:00 - 9:00. Telephone:
978-486-4046.  As some of you know, there's a glass display case in the lobby
and we can talk about if we'd like to sponsor it one month.  Bring your ideas!
(And of course, models, paper, etc.)

I'll be late, but someone should be there at 7:00.

Kristine Tomlinson

If you need directions, let me know (or can someone else send them? or check
the archive) I've just run out of disk space and can't open my e-mail folder!





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:19:55 -0400
Subject: How to reach Stephen Weiss?

Does anyone know how I can reach Stephen Weiss, author of "Flite Rings" and
"Wings and Things: Origami that Flies"?

The reason I want to contact him is that I purchased a used copy of "Flite
Rings", which came without the instruction manual. I called AG Industries
in Redmond, WA (the publisher), but they said they haven't carried the
product for 6 years, and all their inventory was destroyed in a warehouse
accident, so they have nothing left. I hope Stephen might have a copy of
the instruction manual.

Thanks in advance,

Robert

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From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:25:57 -0700
Subject: The technical side of Origami

When I was at convention they sold out of a book, that some of you more
technical minded might be interested in getting your hands on.  Its
called:

Origami Science and Art
(Proceedings of the Second International Meeting of
Origami Science and Scientific Origami
Seian University of Art and Design
Otsu, Japan)

Anyway.....I have discovered that the OUSA office has some of these for
sale (they re-ordered for the waiting list and then some).  If your
interested, call Toby at the USA office.  Her number is (212)769-5635.

This book is oriented to the mathmatician or the person interested in the
technical side of designing origami.....a collection of papers from orgami
designers (from across the world), describing how they go about designing
origami.

I'd be surprised if they don't sell out of them by the end of this week.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:39:47 -0400 (
Subject: (NO) Joanne Ortman's in the hospital ...

(from Kenneth Kawamura, with permission from Joanne Ortman)

so any C.H.A.O.S. members out there will understand if she is late
getting out the next issue of Manifold.

About two weeks ago, Joanne Ortman had a stroke. If I understood
right, she was at Rush Presbyterian Memorial Hospital, but has
been upgraded to recovery status and moved next door to The
Recovery Institute of Chicago.

Sounds like her stroke was more severe han mine, she has
paralysis on one side.

I just found out about this Sunday night. (Thank you, Robert Smith,
for the phone message Sunday.)

DON'T call Rush ... Hospital. I tried. I guess her file was closed
when they transferred her, so they have no record of where she went.

I just got the name of the Recovery Institute ... from her (I came
down with a flu bug for the last two days, plus other distractions),
and haven't called them to find out her/their mailing address, but
she'd appreciate mail, it breaks up the boredom of days in the
hospital. If I do get an address and my computer is working,
I'll post the address.

I have a phone number direct to her bed but not permission to
pass it around. Yes, I forgot to ask her when I called tonight.
Sorry, one-track mind, easily derailed.

My computer is no longer recognizing that it has a mouse,
and the send button in AOL 3.0 fror Windows doesn't react to
an <Enter>, so this may not get sent. I'm going to try to trick it
into saving and sending when I close the session.

That didn't work, last night, Wednesday. But this morning the
mouse is working. Yay!

In the meantime, I called and got an address to send letters,
cards, origami  to:

Joanne Ortman
room 420, bed two
c/o
Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago
345 East Superior
Chicago, IL  60601

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com    (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:19:02 -0400
Subject: Annual Collection from 1995

I would like to buy a copy of the Annual Collection from 1995, but OUSA is
sold out. Does anyone have one for sale?

Thanks,

Robert

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:21:16 +0100
Subject: BOS supplies

The ever improving BOS supplies service would like to let you know the
following;

You can now order any or all of our stock online via e-mail. The
familiar fax or postal service remains. Several new items have been
added, including 3 booklets by John Morgan about folding from silver
(A4) rectangles, a Fred Rohm Vol. 3, a reprint of Tony O'Hares classic,
plus the recent Nottingham convention pack, full of unpublished goodies.

A description of some of the booklets, plus pix of the contents, is now
available. This list will grow as I have time to scan & code them! For
all this and more, check the BOS web site & click on "supplies"!

As mentioned before, you can also sign the guestbook (don't be shy!) or
leave a for sale/wanted/swap advert.

Please let me know of any errors you spot!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:51:28 +0100
Subject: Re: (NO) Joanne Ortman's in the hospital ...

Kenny1414@AOL.COM sez

>I have a phone number direct to her bed but not permission to
>pass it around.

I'm sure she'd let me have it - please ask if you get the chance...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:00:55 +0100
Subject: Re: Annual Collection from 1995

Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM> sez

>I would like to buy a copy of the Annual Collection from 1995, but OUSA is
>sold out. Does anyone have one for sale?

If you can't find a copy, why not buy some of the BOS convention packs
instead? They are excellent value for money - see BOS supplies...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:28:25 +0000
Subject: Chain units in archives
Priority: normal

After some experiments with units I have made three types of units to
make a paper chain.
With these chains you can lift some weight (the strongest lifts about
1.4 kg).

The simple unit we used in the Novelty Competition in Nottingham
(last weekend). We had 15 minutes to make a construction as large as
possible that could be held in the air (pending) for at least 10
seconds. The paper to fold with was something like magazine cover:
thick ad glossy. Squares of 10 x 10 cm (4 inch).
We made a chain of just over 2 meter (7 foot). And that won the
contest. The prize was a pile of the paper we used.

I've put the diagrams along with some other (stronger) units in the
archives. In PostScript and GIF format (I think GIF is easier to
view, because most browsers show this themselves).

Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:11:49 +0100
Subject: Re: Chain units in archives

Maarten wrote ...> Novelty Competition ... paper chain.

I am a newby and didn't realize there was physical competition in Origami.
Here in Santa Barbara, there is a competition at the oceanfront every year
where competitors try to make a boat out of a 4' x 8' -- 200 pound test
corrugated Kraft sheet (cardboard box material). Cutting and the use of a
limited amount of duct tape are allowed. First person to make the boat,
launch it and paddle out to a buoy (about 15 yards away) and back wins the
relatively worthless prize.

Any suitable designs floating (pun intended) around in this group?

I think each entrant is sponsored by some group. Would be nice to have an
origami group sponsored entrant. Any Southern California members of this
list interested in getting together on this?

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
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From: David Harter <tamagotchi@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:59:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Chain units in archives

Newbie question:

How do I retrieve the archives where these diagrams have been sent?

Thanks,
David

Maarten van Gelder wrote:

> After some experiments with units I have made three types of units to
> make a paper chain.
> With these chains you can lift some weight (the strongest lifts about
> 1.4 kg).
>
> The simple unit we used in the Novelty Competition in Nottingham
> (last weekend). We had 15 minutes to make a construction as large as
> possible that could be held in the air (pending) for at least 10
> seconds. The paper to fold with was something like magazine cover:
> thick ad glossy. Squares of 10 x 10 cm (4 inch).
> We made a chain of just over 2 meter (7 foot). And that won the
> contest. The prize was a pile of the paper we used.
>
> I've put the diagrams along with some other (stronger) units in the
> archives. In PostScript and GIF format (I think GIF is easier to
> view, because most browsers show this themselves).
>
> Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: David Chow <Davegchow@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 05:52:55 -0400 (
Subject: Iterative Origami Series (Math)

Greetings!
        While playing with some well-known iterative origami techniques, most
     notably
folding a square into thirds, I began wondering about analytical rather than
geometric solutions to some math problems.  The one I specifically would like
to ask about is the following.

1.  Suppose we have a square of paper ABCD, with center E and side length l.
2.  Fold A to E and unfold.
3.  Fold C to the center of the crease just made and unfold.
4.  Fold A to the center of the crease just made and unfold.
5.  Repeat [ (3) , (4) ] infinitely many times.

        Now, intuitively we know the distance between the last two creases made
     is
1/3 the diagonal of the square, (l*sqrt(2))/3.  However, is there a way to
prove this with an infinite series (that hopefully converges)?  Just
wondering.  My apologies if this has been dealt with on the list already; I
know someone has developed this method a long time ago.
Thanks.

Have fun!
David C.





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:06:06 +0900
Subject: Re: Chain units in archives

> I am a newby and didn't realize there was physical competition in Origami.
> Here in Santa Barbara, there is a competition at the oceanfront every year
> where competitors try to make a boat out of a 4' x 8' -- 200 pound test
> corrugated Kraft sheet (cardboard box material). Cutting and the use of a
> limited amount of duct tape are allowed. First person to make the boat,
> launch it and paddle out to a buoy (about 15 yards away) and back wins the
> relatively worthless prize.
>
> Any suitable designs floating (pun intended) around in this group?

We have a TV program in Japan two years ago,
and Yamaguchi-san folded some boats that a person can be on board.
He tried four kinds of paper and succeeded with washi coated in DOSA.
(DOSA is used for waterproofing.)
One of them floated for several minutes.
The boats were his original design.

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*  We can rather cast blank votes than keep away from polls.  *
*    _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/                                     *
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From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:42:31 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Iterative Origami Series (Math)

>>>>
1.  Suppose we have a square of paper ABCD, with center E and side length l.
2.  Fold A to E and unfold.
3.  Fold C to the center of the crease just made and unfold.
4.  Fold A to the center of the crease just made and unfold.
5.  Repeat [ (3) , (4) ] infinitely many times.
...Is there a way to prove that the distance between the last two creases made
is 1/3 the diagonal of the square, (l*sqrt(2))/3 with an infinite series (that
hopefully converges)?
<<<<

Yes. This is a special case of the binary method for folding a given
proportion, so let me repeat the method:

Given a straight line between two points A and C and a fraction written in
binary (for example, x = .011011), start from the right of the binary
expression:

for the first 1 at the right, fold A to C and unfold;
for every subsequent digit, moving from right to left,
     for every 1, fold A to the last crease and unfold
     for every 0, fold C to the last crease and unfold
The last crease you make will divide the line between A and C into proportions
(x) and (1-x).

Now, applying this to the problem David Chow posed, he's making an infinite
repeating binary fraction. By alternating between corners A and C, he's making
the fraction x=.101010101... (written in binary). Now we need to convert this
to a regular fraction. We all learned in grade school that a repeating decimal
.abcdabcdabcd... corresponded to the fraction abcd/9999; the same sort of
thing works in binary, so the repeating "decimal" .101010... is given by the
fraction 10/11 where both the numerator and denominator are in binary. In
binary, 10 = 2, and 11 = 3, so the upper crease is 2/3 of the way from C to A;
the lower crease is half that distance, or 1/3 of the way.

So that proves that the creases converge to 1/3 and 1/3 of the diagonal. The
question next arises, are there similar repeating sequences that give other
fractions? Yes, and they're fairly easy to construct using this technique. For
example, let's take 1/5. This has the binary representation .001100110011...So
you'd fold C, C, A, A, and repeat, to have the sequence converge on the points
1/5 and 3/5.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:42:30 +0900
Subject: Re: Origami hearing

Miyajima-san showed me a CD: Amateur Lovers' "virgin white lies".
It has the diagrams of Fortune Teller in the jacket.

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From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:05:32 +0100
Subject: Foil Backed Fabric

I have just developed a foil back cotton fabric (red field with .050" dots
about 1/8" apart). Measures .009" thick. I have very little experience with
origami --- but I think this material might be useful. I used it to make an
open box with a square bottom and eight triangular sides --- worked well.
It holds a sharp edge when creased with finger pressure --- but the edge
can be removed with finger pressure if you so desire. At the very least, I
think it will make wonderful bows. We are thinking of manufacturing this
product and will do so if it has appeal to those knowledgable in origami.
Can, of course, use a variety of patterns. I will send a 6" x 6" sample to
the first twenty people who ask for it by email (off-list) if they promise
to send me honest criticism --- (good or bad). I will then send a summary
of whatever I hear to each who respond.

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: http://www.modelshops.com <<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Faye Goldman <FayeG@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:22:58 -0500
Subject: Foil Backed Fabric

Martin-
I am always interested in trying new combinations of paper or
anything foldable!
Please send me a sample, and I will tell you my thoughts.

Thanks,
Faye Goldman
616 Valley View Road
Ardmore Pa 19003





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:53:52 -0500
Subject: Festival

Hi All:

Boy am I tired.....WOW what a weekend! I had the most Perfect time at
the Festival!

Friday Night's Gala was fun. I was hoping they would have had some sort
of ceremony  introducing the "Origami Greats" that attended the Festival
but I had a good time regardless. Was that the worst Cheese Cake you
ever tasted? Thanks Russ for telling me that was Brie....Too Funny!

What a great way to start the day...The Kawasaki Rose. I heard so much
about it on this list and was delighted to find it offered as a class. I
thought the stretched bird base was cool but that twist fold on the
center square was Way Too Cool!! I would have
been satisfied if the class ended there. What a wonderful rose. Vicky
Mihara-Avery was great, after teaching us the rose with kami she treated
us with some very special Japanese paper and everyone walked out of her
class with two beautiful roses.

I can't say enough about Anibal Voyer, I did his Wasp and Cat. In both
classes he took the time to make sure everyone had each fold completed
correctly before continuing on. He is the most patient man I have ever
met. And what awesome models, don't you just love the tail on that Wasp!

I couldn't pass up that fabulous Umbrella. I would have to say that was
the most "fun" class. The hardest part was choosing from the beautiful
papers! Carol Hall was a "Hit", she taught us a great way to make
pleats. It was no rainy day in her class!

One of the Festival Highlights for me was the Tomoko Fuse Special Event.
It was a great honor for me to attend her class, one of the things I
most wanted to do. She even took time afterwards for autographs and
photos! (I'm in heaven!)

"After Hours" folding on the 2nd Floor was one of my favorite things
about the Festival. I met so many fantastic people there, so generous
with their time and knowledge. I
was able to learn some of the models from the classes I didn't attend
but wanted to like Vann's famous Magic Rose Cube and the Modular Flower
Pin. We made some great Spinners and Toys and Cubes from business cards.
And that great modular "Fireworks" that is the neatest thing ever! I met
so many wonderful people, it was such great fun!

I missed the Paper Cup Races because it was scheduled during classes. I
didn't get to see many exhibits, they were scattered about the city, it
would have been nice if they were all in one or two buildings. The
Variety Evening was great I especially loved the fashion show and guitar
solo.

To top off a wonderful weekend, at the airport I was greeted by my
boyfriend with a kiss and a rose...and afterwards we made
"fireworks"....the model....yeah right!  :)

Kathy  <*))))><





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:17:55 +0100
Subject: Re: Foil Backed Fabric

Sample will go out this week --- thanks for asking and have fun in any event.

>Martin-
>I am always interested in trying new combinations of paper or
>anything foldable!
>Please send me a sample, and I will tell you my thoughts.
>
>Thanks,
>Faye Goldman
>616 Valley View Road
>Ardmore Pa 19003

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: http://www.modelshops.com <<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: lnahbyrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:40:53 -0500
Subject: Frogs & Books

Whew! I survived the weekend! We had an event this past weekend to give
books to underprivileged and at-risk kids in Houston, Texas, and my husband
and I offered to help. We helped sort books, but our main contribution was
the making and distribution of origami frogs. I got taken by the idea of
making frogs for all the kids (we were expecting between 1,000 to 1,500!),
so I went on a frog-making binge. A lady at my work started joinging me for
lunch to create them. Then a couple more people joined us. We would sit in
the conference room laughing, chatting, and folding *lots* of green paper.
As others wandered by, they wanted to join. This became _the_ lunchtime
activity. One lady loved doing them so much that I was told later that she
was doing them during a meeting - be the other person in the meeting
couldn't say much, as this was her supervisor doing the folding! We had
lots of lunchtime helpers. The next day, as this same supervisor was at
another office in class, we got a call, there was a CRISIS! Oh, no, what
was wrong, we asked? "I'm out of green frog paper!" I kid you not, we had
to get a bunch of green paper, put it in an envelope, and send it to the
other office on the regular shuttle bus between the offices! She was in a
2-day class, and had several people in the class folding frog.! People were
taking paper home and coming back with hundreds done. By the time of the
event, we had 1,750 frogs!

At the book giveaway, we made sure that each kid went away with at least 2
books and a frog. Since we had fewer children than we expected, we told
them to take one frog for them and one for their best friend to share. We
were a major hit, despite the rain (this was an outdoor event, as the store
doing this is very small). Some frogs got damp and couldn't quite make the
jump, but we had plenty. I taught some kids how to create the frogs,
including one gentleman whose hand has extremely little movement. His
parents loved it and will encourage him in this, since it will be something
fun for him to exercise that hand and hopefully get more use from it. Also
many of the adults were thrilled with the frogs, and I gave most of them
some small Fuse boxes I happen to have with me. Several said they will
contact me in the future for more lessons, and one took an extra box for a
friend of hers who is a folder. I told her he could have the box only if he
would contact me at least once, as I was always trying to meet new folders
in the area. We were listed in the program guide for the event, so I did my
best to make sure that all the people who helped at work got their names in
there as a thank-you.

We did not give away all of the frogs, so I sent the rest with a teacher
friend of mine who teaches special education. She has about 500 kids, and
she will give each kid one and have them do frogs as a class project. If
she has many left over, I may contact a children's hospital to see if they
would be interested in the frogs for their kids.

Now I have been requested to teach more origami at work, so we will be
holding folding lunches every Wednesday. They looked at a couple of models
I had, and they decided they want to learn the flapping crane from Origami
In Action next. A reporter at the event from the local paper suggested I
contact a particular center that does classes in all sorts of things, that
many people would be interested in learning. I may, it might be a good way
to start a group of folders in this area.

Those who create origami models do not know just how much joy and how many
smiles you bring into the world. I can't thank you enough, nor can the
children, nor can the -taller- kids. It has brought many, many people
together, both for projects like this and even just to help complete a
particular model. It has helped me learn more about people everywhere I go
- ***THANK YOU***

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: Lynn&Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:49:06 -0500
Subject: Origami Workshop - Houston, TX

Texas Art Supply in Houston, TX, is sponsoring an Origami Workshop on
Sunday, October 4, 1998. Joan Son will lead the workshop. From the flier,
"Her work has been carried by several museum ships including the
Smithsonian in Washington, The Dallas Museum of Art, The Houston Museum of
Natural Science and the Asian Art Museum in San Franciso. The Houston Grand
Opera utilized her service for origami demonstration and sold her work
during their production of Madame Butterfly in January/February 1998." She
is a OrigamiUSA member. She does beautiful butterfly pins that are sold at
the Houston Museum of Natural Science. From the pictures, it appears that
she paints and possibly lacquers her creations, although I am not positive
about this.

Class is limited to 8, I am not sure if there are still seats available,
cost is $50 including materials. If you are interested, the number listed
on the flier is 713-522-5377.

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:11:45 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Finding Origami people to fold with

Regarding starting an origami group......Leave a little poster in the library,
put an insert in the local newspaper in the meeting notice column, say you are
looking for Origami enthusiasts to meet together, ask for a room at the
library, check the local bookstores and leave a notice there if they will let
you, teach a few people who seem interested, ask around if they know anyone
who does any kind of folding....moneyfolding, napkin folding, just a few
origami models, ask them to show you and then tell them you are meeting at so
and so and you would like them to show up and share what they know with the
other.  If the book store has a coffee shop sit and fold there and talk to
people.....you will soon have a nucleus of people and they will bring
others....you'll see, it works......Get a list from the origami center of
people who live within 30 miles from you who do origami...origami people will
travel....Good luck...Dorigami





From: Michie Sahara <michies@WESTWORLD.COM>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:22:22 -0700
Subject: Open house at the Japanese Garden

My mother, Masako Sakai and I will be demonstrating Origami...Rokoan
     Style...the art of folding connected cranes...at the Japanese Garden in
     Van Nuys, CA on October 4th from 10:30am to 3:30pm.  This Garden is owned
     by the City of Los Angeles and located a





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@CONCENTRA.COM>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:57:11 -0400
Subject: Four Pointed Dollar Bill Star (was Re: Flying things: The Next
The correct dimensions are 1:sqrt(2)+1, which as Doug observed is
close to 3:7, or the proportions of a U.S. dollar bill!

(Excuse my tardy reply -- I have been away for the last week at the
Southeastern Origami Festival.)

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:56:40 +0200
Subject: Places Of Interest in London/Brighton

Yes, this is one of those boring "where do I find ... in ..." questions.

I'm going on a quasi-school trip to Brighton next week (9th to 17th), and
since we will also spend one or two days in London, the standard question
poses itself:

Where can I go in London to get the most out of this trip, origamically
speaking?

The standard places are, obviously, book shops, art supply stores and
stationery stores -- any good places for buying Japanese washi papers? I
won't be as bold as asking whether Paul Jackson's studio is open for the
public, but there are certainly loads of interesting places in London.
Japanese department stores? used book shops?

And with a little luck, I might even be able to drag my travelmates to one
of these places -- now I only have to find a list of record stores to keep
them (especially one of them) happy.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:18:02 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Display & Opening

I and several other origami artists have contributed to an origami display at
Xerox PARC in Palo Alto (20 miles south of San Francisco). It was arranged by
Marshall Bern (one of the "Origami crease assignment is NP-hard" duo). The
opening reception is this Thursday evening. Should be good, fairly
mathematical. Several of the artists will be there, including, I am told, the
elusive David Huffman (inventor of Huffman coding).

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com

The official description is:

Origami Art Show, Xerox PARC, featuring models by Tom Hull, David Huffman,
Robert Lang, John Montroll, Chris Palmer, Jeremy Shafer, and Joseph Wu, and
photographs of models by Takashi Hojyo.

Opening reception:  Thursday, October 1, 5-7 pm.

Driving Directions:  Take 280 to Palo Alto and exit at Page Mill Rd.
Drive east 1.2 miles and turn right on Coyote Hill Rd.
Xerox PARC is on the left, just after the crest of the hill.
The entrance is to your left as you enter the driveway.





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:24:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Four Pointed Dollar Bill Star (was Re: Flying things: The Next

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Jeannine Mosely wrote:

>
>      I am sorry!  I am wrong!  I actually do not know the exact proportions!
>      They definitly are *not* 1 : square root of 3   or   1 : 1.73205

The dimensions of a dollar bill is 2.6000 x 6.1585 inches according to my
electronic calipers.  I hope this is useful for your calculations.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:01:37 +0100
Subject: Re: Places Of Interest in London/Brighton

Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE> sez

>Where can I go in London to get the most out of this trip, origamically
>speaking?

Why not take a detour up to sunny Sheffield? We could do some *real*
folding!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@CONCENTRA.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:54:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Four Pointed Dollar Bill Star (was Re: Flying things: The Next
On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Allen Parry wrote:

   On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Jeannine Mosely wrote:

   >
   >      I am sorry!  I am wrong!  I actually do not know the exact
     proportions!
   >      They definitly are *not* 1 : square root of 3   or   1 : 1.73205

   The dimensions of a dollar bill is 2.6000 x 6.1585 inches according to my
   electronic calipers.  I hope this is useful for your calculations.

Allen -- please be more careful how you "quote" people.  I wrote no
such thing.  That text was written by Doug Zander and quoted (with
attribution) by me in a reply.

The proportions of dollar bills are frequently quoted on this list,
usually as 3:7, but occasionally with more decimal places, as Allen
provides.  While I believe that the U.S. government cuts dollars bills
to a higher degree of accuracy than the average business card printer,
I cannot trust any mere *measurement* of an actual specimen to
represent the intended dimensions.  Does anyone what the official
dimensions are?  I have searched the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and
Printing's website (www.moneyfactory.com) without luck.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@CONCENTRA.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:07:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Display & Opening
For those of us who can't make the opening of the Xerox PARC exhibit,
how long will it be up?

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:36:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Four Pointed Dollar Bill Star (was Re: Flying things: The Next

Jeannine Mosley indited:

        The proportions of dollar bills are frequently quoted on this list,
        usually as 3:7, but occasionally with more decimal places, as Allen
        provides.  While I believe that the U.S. government cuts dollars bills
        to a higher degree of accuracy than the average business card printer,
        I cannot trust any mere *measurement* of an actual specimen to
        represent the intended dimensions.  Does anyone what the official
        dimensions are?  I have searched the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and
        Printing's website (www.moneyfactory.com) without luck.

Don't know why you picked that site, but here is what you are looking for:

              Our present sized currency measures 2.61 inches wide by 6.14
              inches long, and the thickness is .0043 inches. If each
              currency note printed was laid end to end, they would stretch
              around the earth's equator approximately 24 times. Larger
              sized notes in circulation before 1919 measured 3.125 inches
              by 7.4218 inches.

Taken from: http://www.bep.treas.gov/nptemp1.cfm

-Doug





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@CONCENTRA.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:56:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Four Pointed Dollar Bill Star (was Re: Flying things: The Next
Doug wrote:

   Jeannine Mosley indited:

           The proportions of dollar bills are frequently quoted on this list,
           usually as 3:7, but occasionally with more decimal places, as Allen
           provides.  While I believe that the U.S. government cuts dollars
     bills
           to a higher degree of accuracy than the average business card
     printer,
           I cannot trust any mere *measurement* of an actual specimen to
           represent the intended dimensions.  Does anyone what the official
           dimensions are?  I have searched the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and
           Printing's website (www.moneyfactory.com) without luck.

   Don't know why you picked that site, but here is what you are looking for:

The usmint.gov site had a pointer to it so I thought it was
"official".  I was puzzled that it appeared to be a commercial site.

                 Our present sized currency measures 2.61 inches wide by 6.14
                 inches long, and the thickness is .0043 inches. If each
                 currency note printed was laid end to end, they would stretch
                 around the earth's equator approximately 24 times. Larger
                 sized notes in circulation before 1919 measured 3.125 inches
                 by 7.4218 inches.

   Taken from: http://www.bep.treas.gov/nptemp1.cfm

Where in the world did these weird dimensions come from?

        -- Jeannine





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:35:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Places Of Interest in London/Brighton

Sebastian

> The standard places are, obviously, book shops, art supply stores and
> stationery stores -- any good places for buying Japanese washi papers?

> public, but there are certainly loads of interesting places in London.
> Japanese department stores? used book shops?

Here are the places I usually visit on my trips to London.

In central London:

1. Bookends (now official book sellers to the BOS), Exhibition Road, Sth.
   Kensington (nearest tube - South Kensington).

2. Japan Centre Bookshop, on the south side of Piccadilly, near Piccadilly
   Circus (nearest tube - Piccadilly Circus). Usually have a good selection
   of paper, and some books.

3. Nippon Books, St. Pauls Churchyard, near St. Pauls Cathedral (nearest
   tube - St Pauls). stock is rather variable.

4. Muji shops, in various locations around London. Japanese 'no brand'.
   Their packs of paper are the cheapest I know of - available in 3" and
   6". Try a London phone directory for locations, I know there is one in
   Long Acre, near Stanfords map shop.

5. Paperchase, Tottenham Court Road (nearest tube is Goodge Street, I think?).
   Stock a wide range of papers.

6. Faulkners Fine Papers, Southampton Row. Feast your eyes on a truly
   fabulous range of papers. (nearest tube: Holborn)

7. Foyles, probably the world's worst organised book shop, but with a huge
   stock, so worth a look. Charing Cross Road (nearest tube: Tottenham Court
   Road, I think?).

a bit further out -

8. Asahiya bookshop, this is a huge Japanese bookshop, in an oriental shopping
   plaza. It takes about an hour to get there by central London on the tube,
   including the walk to the Yaohan plaza from the nearest tube station,
   Colindale.

I believe that the London section of the BOS holds its regular meetings on
the second Saturday of each month (should be 10 Oct), at the Daiwa foundation.
There should be further info in the BOS magazine, or try the BOS website.

I don't have any suggestions for shops for used books in London.

Hope you have a good trip.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)

PS (to Nick) I think Sebastian will find this more helpful than your
flippant reply.





From: Tim Heil <teach@EZL.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:01:45 -0500
Subject: U.S. currency dimensions
of Engraving and Printing "Facts and Trivia" page at:

        http://www.bep.treas.gov/nptemp1.cfm

"Our present sized currency measures 2.61 inches wide by 6.14
inches long, and the thickness is .0043 inches. If each
currency note printed was laid end to end, they would stretch
around the earth's equator approximately 24 times. Larger
sized notes in circulation before 1919 measured 3.125 inches
by 7.4218 inches. "

        So, now we know what the official dimensions are.

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:51:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Four Pointed Dollar Bill Star (was Re: Flying things: The Next

Jeannine Mosely indited:

+           I cannot trust any mere *measurement* of an actual specimen to
+           represent the intended dimensions.

Indeed.  While the size of the bills might not vary too much unless the
cutting edges/blades get dull and start pulling, the centering of the bills is
often obviously unbalanced.  Sheesh!
+                 Our present sized currency measures 2.61 inches wide by 6.14
+                 inches long, and the thickness is .0043 inches.
+
+   Taken from: http://www.bep.treas.gov/nptemp1.cfm
+
+Where in the world did these weird dimensions come from?

I haven't found anything about that, though I haven't scoured that site
thoroughly either.  Its often quoted that removing the largest square from one
end of a 1:sqrt(2) paper leaves a US$bill shaped piece, I've never checked the
math (I just tried, but can't convince myself I did it correctly)...  Given
the gap between bills (cutting "kerf" if you will) and the rectangular layout
of bills on a large sheet...  Naw, just shots in the dark.

-D'gou
