




From: lnahbyrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:53:02 -0500
Subject: NO - Lost Addresses, Emails

Due to a recent hard drive crash and lack of having backed up my email
(amongst other things), I have lost all email addresses acquired in the
last 6 months, as well as any emails sent or received during that time. If
I should have your email address, please send it to me as I probably lost
it. Also if I have exchanged any emails with you in that time, please
consider sending me a copy as I no longer have it. This does include the
kind permissions several people gave me for folding their models for the
(hopefully) upcoming fundraiser for the Japanese Gardens, and also the
folders in the Houston area, whose emails to me are gone with the wind. It
has been a painful struggle to get things back up and running, but I'm at
least back up to a quick jog now.

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:58:09 +0200
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On 13-Sep-98, Doug Philips (dwp@TRANSARC.COM) wrote:
>Judy D Pagnusat indited:

>+ Will 20" be of interest to you?

>Maybe.  I would depend on price and also on how square the paper
>really is.  At that size, having to fix a non square piece is enough
>of a pain that I'd just as soon use a different paper.

The relative error is likely to be smaller than with badly cut 10"
paper.  I have seen 2mm error with 12.5cm paper, which is *bad*.

>At 20", the standard paper will be effectively very thin, perhaps
>even "floppy" in the final model.

Sounds just right for some Lang models :) Standing figures may require
some additional support, though.  My T-rex (Prehistoric Origami) from
70cm (28") square of 70g/m2 Canson paper required some cardboard
between leg layers to stand up.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Chris T Durham <gandalf_15@JUNO.COM>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:01:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

YES!!! can we order it from you?
CTD
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From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:42:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Reproducibility of origami.

>>Hi:
>>
>>    I was reading some of David Lister's postings to origami-l and I
>>started thinking about origami and it's relation to other art forms.
>>The question that occurred t me is why is it that some art works like
>>music, origami or architecture have "written" instructions like sheet
>>music, diagrams and blueprints and are therefore reproducible, and
>>others like paintings, sculptures or films are not?
>
>And, of course, for at least a few of us, the real beauty of origami is in
>its reproducibility.  I have some limited capacity to appreciate a painting
>by Da Vinci (or, more often, his sketches), or a sculpture by Michalangelo,
>but, you know those pale next to my knowledge that someone out there has
>created a set of simple (well, relatively) directions for a rhinoceros,
>which, if I follow them correctly, results in a very nice rhino.  Until I
>started folding, I really derived little to no enjoyment from the
>non-performing arts, but origami, as an art form I can actually participate
>in, has made a big difference.  I think that's why I still prefer folds by
>Montroll or Lang et al to some of the others-not only are their models
>beautiful and detailed, but they explicitly make the directions for
>reproducing them available to little old me.
>
>At the last SEOF, in 96, I remember seeing some of E. Joisel's Faces, and a
>display by Michael LaFosse of some wonderful creations (including a very
>pretty, lifelike frog).  I looked at them, and thought they were very nice,
>but they still pale next to the rhino, 'cause I can *make* it.
>
>Of course, I'm a scientist, so reproducibility is a concern...
>
>(the rhino in question, for those who are curious, is the one in Montrolls'
>"Origami Sculptures."  )
>
>Kevin Kinney
>
>Kevin Kinney
>kkinney@carolinas.org
>
I also apreciate origami's ability to be condensed into a single format that
any person literate in that format can reproduce to some extent, but the
other aspect of origami that makes it one of the three art forms in which I
regularly participate (the other two are music and the martial arts) is the
ability to take someone's work and add "personality" either by simple
inaccuracy of reproduction or by altering detail folds.

I prefer to do animal origami, though I have done some of everything.(I find
nothing more enjoyable than to make someone's favorite animal and deliver it
in one of Tomoko Fuse's box designs)  The appeal of animal origami for me is
that I can reproduce a recognizable animal, and then go an adjust the legs,
head, and any other extremities so that they balance in a way that amuses me.

Just felt like putting my own spin on this wonderful thread,
        Bugly





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:01:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Reproducibility of origami.

At 7:37 14-09-1998, martin wrote:
>A great book was self published a few years ago that systematically
>considered all sorts of ingeneous graphic representations of various
>things. I forget the name of the book or author --- but his best example
>was a graphic showing Napoleon's  campaign in and out of Russia. Someone
>else may contribute the title. If you are interested in this field, --- get
>this book.

You must be talking about one of the magnificent books by Edward Tufte, in
this case 'Envisioning Information'. It is the second in a series of three
(yet):
1. The Visual Display of Quantitative Information ('pictures of numbers)
2. Envisioning Information ('pictures of nouns')
3. Visual Explanations ('pictures of verbs')

They are indeed great books.

Greetings,
Sjaak

Sjaak Adriaanse
email: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net
----------------------------------
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Kate Bush





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:25:07 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Regarding blind money folds

Jason writes that he has heard that the blind fold their bills each
differently in order to differentiate them....Someone showed me this a long
time ago.  I think the dollar is folded in half the short way. Then a five is
folded differently, I think in half the short way and then in half the short
way again.  I cant remember the others but can find out if you want me to.
Dorigami





From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:50:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Regarding blind money folds

>Jason writes that he has heard that the blind fold their bills each
>differently in order to differentiate them....Someone showed me this a long
>time ago.  I think the dollar is folded in half the short way. Then a five is
>folded differently, I think in half the short way and then in half the short
>way again.  I cant remember the others but can find out if you want me to.

The way I was told by a friend of mine who was mostly blind was that it's
ones unfolded, fives in half the short way, tens the long, and I've never
met anyone who really bothered with twenties or higher since my circle of
friends are mostly teenagers.

I always thought this was a pretty neat system, but the method for
distinguishing coin money in the US is a lot easier...

Bugly





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:01:46 +0900
Subject: Re: Reproducibility of origami.

> The question that occurred t me is why is it that some art works like
> music, origami or architecture have "written" instructions like sheet
> music, diagrams and blueprints and are therefore reproducible, and
> others like paintings, sculptures or films are not?

Diagrams are the important part of origami. The origami model
with diagrams will be folded by many people, and it can grow up
after designed.
Not all designers can fold well, and each folder can fold different
rhinos with the same diagrams of a rhino. So, I think, folding
origami models is as a creative work as designing origami models.

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From: lnahbyrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:57:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Models for beginner classes

Where is this model located? Sounds wonderful!

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net

>Models for beginners classes?   I love teaching Robert Neales fidget
>(Expanding Star)





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:10:00 -0400 (
Subject: Valerie Vann's magic rose cube?

Whatever happened with plans to publish diagrams for Valerie Vann's
magic rose cube?  Are diagrams available anywhere?

Thanks.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:56:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

Valerie Vann writes:

(snip) "...And on the subject of origami paper wish lists: what I'd like
most (for boxes and modulars) is more variety in duo paper (different front
and back), and packages with more sheets of particular combinations.  Boxes
often take 8-16 pieces of the same paper, and 30 sheets is a very common
requirement for modulars.  (as are multiples of 30: 60, 90, 120, 210, 270)."

Amen!

I love the 3" paper packs from F/Folds, but there are certain combinations
that are prevalent and others that are rare.  There's some beautiful apple
green, magenta and violet papers, but usually only about 2 of each per
pack, whereas there's a ton of pale pink with pale grey flip side - YUCK.
I always wonder how many packs of paper had to be purchased to achieve the
designs in some of the photographed models in Fuse's books!  Ah well, looks
like I'll be doing rainbow modular boxes for some time to come...

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Marty Perrigo <mperrigo@MEMH.TI.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:16:29 -0500
Subject: Re: NO - Lost Addresses, Emails

lnahbyrd writes:
>
> Due to a recent hard drive crash and lack of having backed up my email
> (amongst other things), I have lost all email addresses acquired in the
> last 6 months, as well as any emails sent or received during that time. If
> I should have your email address, please send it to me as I probably lost
> it. Also if I have exchanged any emails with you in that time, please
> consider sending me a copy as I no longer have it. This does include the
> kind permissions several people gave me for folding their models for the
> (hopefully) upcoming fundraiser for the Japanese Gardens, and also the
> folders in the Houston area, whose emails to me are gone with the wind. It
> has been a painful struggle to get things back up and running, but I'm at
> least back up to a quick jog now.
>
> Ahliana Byrd
> lnahbyrd@onramp.net
>
Hi Ahliana,

I'll try to send back copies of our conversations.  Sorry I haven't gotten
back ahold of you to get together, but my life has been a bit chaotic
lately.  There is a chance I may be leaving Houston soon as my current
job is going away around the end of the month.  If you'd like to stay in
touch my personal account (mperrigo@brokersys.com) should remain valid
for some months to come.  At least until the end of the month, my current
email (mperrigo@ti.com) should work as well.  Should the need to move
come up, I will sadly have to unsubscribe from the group for a while.

After talking with you, I have picked up a couple Fuse books and love them.
I bought _Joyful Origami Boxes_ and _Fabulous Origami Boxes_.  Of course
my wife brought many of them in to work and gave them to her coworkers,
as they do take up a bit of room :-)  I'm still waiting for the bookstores
to get in _Origami for the Connoisseur_.  From all the discussions in the
group, that sounds like a great book to get.

Take care.
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From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:17:12 -0400 (
Subject: the FESTIVAL.....  TAKE PITY ON ME!!!

Greetings Fellow Folders:

I waited too long to book a room at the Holiday Inn for the FESTIVAL, and no
rooms are available.  I don't know what I'm going to do.  If there is anyone
wo wouldn't mind sharing a room with a nice guy from Texas, I would greatly
appreciate it.... would settle for a roomy closet at this point.    I am
planning on staying the nites of the 24th, 25th, and 26th.

OK, I'm desperate..... SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME!!!

   Sincerely,
   RUSSELL : \
rgs467@aol.com





From: Marty Perrigo <mperrigo@MEMH.TI.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:20:41 -0500
Subject: Re: NO - Lost Addresses, Emails

Oooooooooppppppps,  Sorry about that last message.  I forgot to change
the header... it was meant to go privately... please disregard.

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From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:38 -0400
Subject: Valerie Vann's magic rose cube?

Diagrams still under construction; not available yet.
Valerie Vann





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

I think the 20 inch paper might be good for
experimenting with tesselations/twistfolds.
I've done them with the 12 & 14 inch paper,
but wished I had bigger. Its light enough in
weight, and looks pretty held up to the light.

The main problem I've had with the big kami
is the packaging: it almost always gets bent
or dinged corners in shipping/handling. maybe
it could be packaged rolled up on a cardboard
tube? And it would be nice to have some big
duo paper too.

About innaccuracies: some paper get out of square
due to temperature & humidity changes; and it seems
to vary somewhat by color too. For instance, I was
making Fuse boxes in the last 2 weeks, and some of
the designs are really sensitive to squareness. (As
are some of her modulars). I was working with red
and blue kami in the 4-3/4 size, and the weather
changed a lot: we went from very hot and very dry
to medium hot and very humid to cool and raining
in the course of a week, and the red paper especially
was radically off square when it was hot and humid,
while paper from the same package was back to square
within acceptable tolerances by the time the temperature
and humidity were back to normal.

And on the subject of origami paper wish lists:
what I'd like most (for boxes and modulars) is more
variety in duo paper (different front and back), and
packages with more sheets of particular combinations.
Boxes often take 8-16 pieces of the same paper, and
30 sheets is a very common requirement for modulars.
(as are multiples of 30: 60, 90, 120, 210, 270).

Its hard to get enough of a certain type of paper to
complete a project. Currently this is mainly in the
form of kusudama kits, where you get at least 6 sheets
alike. I make Magic Rose Cubes from some of these, as
there are duo sheets of pink/red and yellow/green or
blue/green in one of the current kits, and I can use
those for the MRC's.

Some of the duo papers with shaded colors on one side
and solid on the other have enough sheets for boxes
and modulars in the small sizes (3 in.) packages that
are meant for senbazuru making. Unfortunately, the
arrangement of most of the shaded colors on one side
make good cranes, but the boring part of the paper is
what shows the most on most modular and box designs.

Valerie Vann





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:50:17 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Reproducibility of origami.

Aloha from kenny1414@aol (Kenneth M. Kawamura),

In a message dated 98-09-14 10:36:10 EDT,
informat@CHILESAT.NET (Rodrigo A. Pantoja) writes:

> why is it that some art works like
>  music, origami or architecture have "written" instructions like sheet
>  music, diagrams and blueprints and are therefore reproducible, and
>  others like paintings, sculptures or films are not?

I disagree. Consider the historical evolution of the arts and crafts and
their teaching methods. Not only do you have to have someone
knowledgeable in the craft to devise a way of recording it, but you also
need suitable technology for the recording, and it has to be economical.

Historically, paintings and sculpture are reproducible, usually
from sketches or small models.

Some Abstract Art could be fully described in writing.

Now we have photography to replace, or supplement,  the older
sketching, painting, and modeling.

You could extend the language of Heraldry to a description
language for paintings and such, but it would be too cumbersome.
Origami Instruction Language (O.I.L.) seems to have the same
problem compared to origami diagrams.

And films do have written instructions, film scripts. Films also
have set designs and costumes, and casting, some of which
can be described in writing or with drawings and photographs.

> I was originally
>  thinking it had to do with complexity, maybe an origami model is less
>  complex than a painting and so it is possible to "write" instructions
>  for making it that are simple enough for anybody to follow.  Then I
>  thought that St. Peter's Cathedral is quite complex also, but if you had
>  the blueprints you might be able to build another one.

"For anybody to follow"? Notice how many people cannot learn to fold
the traditional Crane from the diagrams alone? Then compare the
diagrams for the Crane with the diagrams for Robert Lang's "Cuckoo
Clock". Now compare that "Cuckoo Clock" with St. Peter's Cathedral.
See the increasing number of details? That's complexity.

There's several orders of magnitude difference between "written"
instructions on the one hand, and diagrams and blueprints on the other,
as far as how much information we can get out of them.

The corresponding next steps up the scale, suitable for paintings and
sculpture, would be drawings (sketches), copies, photographs,
digitized pictures, and compressed digitized pictures.

When you get to film, movies have scripts and set designs and costumes.
The scripts and "direction" may be written, but I think the set designs need
pictures, and the costumes at least need drawings, or written references
to known drawings. Casting's a little trickier; appearance descriptions,
drawings or photos, and sound bites would help there.

So I think it does come down to complexity and amount of information.

Without specialized playback equipment, we humans are stuck with
written instructions, diagrams, photos, and models (drawn, painted, or
sculpted), going up the scale of complexity.

With newer technology we have JPEG, MPEG, AVI, etc. coded files,
CAD/CAM and NC machinery (Computer Assisted Drafting/Computer
Assisted Manufacturing and Numerically Controlled machinery),
Stereo-Lithography (I think that's what it's called, where you build up
a 3-D model a thin layer at a time), automated protein synthesis,
the PCR (right name?) invention for "amplifying" a DNA sequence,
computer-generated holograms, CAD scans and their display
technology, vapor deposition, electron tunneling microscopes and
the corresponding techniques to do atom-at-a-time sculpture,
nano-technology, etc.

I think a sculpture could be digitized, converted to
a collection of "objects" in one of the newer 3-D art programs,
and/or texture-mapped, then saved in a suitable file, to be
"rendered" later, as a 3-D image or a sculpture.

Remember the staircase notes, the computer generated series
of sounds that seemed to keep spiralling up the scale, when
they were really going in a circle? As far as I know, you couldn't
do that with a purely acoustic instrument. But the specification
for it can be written down.

I'm starting to meander off the topic,

Aloha,

kenny1414@aol.com    (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:38:46 -0400
Subject: NORM: written instructions for sculpture

Kenny wrote (and someone said something similar earlier today):

>I think a sculpture could be digitized, converted to
>a collection of "objects" in one of the newer 3-D art programs,
>and/or texture-mapped, then saved in a suitable file, to be
>"rendered" later, as a 3-D image or a sculpture.

I know of at least two (professional) sculptors who use
rendering software to design their sculptures. (Brent Collins
and Bruce Beasley) A third (and better known: Helaman
Ferguson) uses a "virtual sculpture" to determine the position
of a computer-driven drill during part of his sculpting
process. All three have "written" instructions that are used
for creating their sculptures. Granted, all three focus primarily
on geometric shapes rather than human or animal figures.

Collins and Beasley each have software that has been written
specifically to address their style of sculpture. In a discussion
of whether this software would allow others to copy their style,
Carlo Sequin (the author of Collins' software) said that most
users design ugly models because they don't have the necessary
artistic sense that enables the artist to know what will "work."

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
(Art & Math is a great conference!)





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:00:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Regarding blind money folds

Following this thread.

My uncle was blind and he ran a news stand in Newark, N.J. He told me about
this trick that could be used by the blind when given what the customer
said was a $5 or $10 bill.

The blind man can turn his back and take out a stack of $1 bills, putting
the bill he has just received at, say, the third place down in the stack
--- he then says to the customer -- please help me and tell me the
denomination of each bill I am giving you as change. He then peels off each
bill from the stack -- when he gets to the third bill, if the customer says
, "that is a $5 (or $10) bill -- the blind man knows the customer is honest
--- but if he says the bill is a $1 bill --- he was trying to cheat.
Although my uncle knew this trick, he said it was to much trouble to use
and he just trusted his customers -- he never got cheated in about thirty
years in business.

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:34:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:01:01 -0400 Chris T Durham <gandalf_15@JUNO.COM>
writes:
>YES!!! can we order it from you?
>CTD
>The Sporkificator
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Chris,

This paper is not available at this time.  We are trying to determine
interest.  We do have 14" available though.  Request it from where you
purchase origami paper.  It is Yasutomo item number 4254, 20 sheets
assorted colors, includes 2 sheets of foil.

Thanks,
Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:38:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:58:09 +0200 Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI> writes:
>On 13-Sep-98, Doug Philips (dwp@TRANSARC.COM) wrote:
>>Judy D Pagnusat indited:
>
>>+ Will 20" be of interest to you?
>
>>Maybe.  I would depend on price and also on how square the paper
>>really is.  At that size, having to fix a non square piece is enough
>>of a pain that I'd just as soon use a different paper.
>
>The relative error is likely to be smaller than with badly cut 10"
>paper.  I have seen 2mm error with 12.5cm paper, which is *bad*.
>
>
>
>>At 20", the standard paper will be effectively very thin, perhaps
>>even "floppy" in the final model.
>
>Sounds just right for some Lang models :) Standing figures may require
>some additional support, though.  My T-rex (Prehistoric Origami) from
>70cm (28") square of 70g/m2 Canson paper required some cardboard
>between leg layers to stand up.
>
>
>--
>Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi
>
>Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds
>
Jorma,

The floppiness of large paper was something that was brought up at the
office and we felt that some models would require interior splinting.

Thanks,
Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:40:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:42:48 +0800 "Chamberlain, Clare"
<Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU> writes:
>PLEASE, please what is kami paper??  do you mean traditional origami
>paper?
>Kami paper is a completely meaningless term, as it just means 'paper'
>paper.
>And while I'm being a pedant, what's 20 inches anyway......about 50 cm
>suqare?
>
Clare,

Yes I am referring to regular weight origami paper when I say "Kami" and
I do believe 20 inches is about 50cm

Thanks,

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:44:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:04:27 -0700 Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
writes:
>Judy P. wrote:
>(snip) Will 20" be of interest to you?
>>
>Oh my God yes!  Large paper would be invaluable to me in trying out
>new
>models.  I'd particularly love to re-attempt some of Lang's insects
>with
>big paper so the finer parts wouldn't be so hard to observe or match
>to the
>diagrams.
>
>Is it available now?  Can I order it from you?
>
>"Peace In Creases"
>
>Steve Woodmansee
>stevew@empnet.com
>
Steve,

This paper is not available yet, we just determining interest.  You might
be able to get our 14" through your origami supplier, $5.50 for 20 sheets
including 2 sheets of foil.

Thanks,

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:50:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:22:08 -0400 Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
writes:
>Judy D Pagnusat indited:
>
>+the size would be 201/2" square.  We already have 14" for sale and so
>far
>+we have not gotten the information out that it is available so not
>many
>+of you have probably seen it. Will 20" be of interest to you?
>
>Maybe.  I would depend on price and also on how square the paper
>really is.
>At that size, having to fix a non square piece is enough of a pain
>that I'd
>just as soon use a different paper.  At 20", the standard paper will
>be
>effectively very thin, perhaps even "floppy" in the final model.  What
>have
>you folded with it so far?
>
>Thanks for asking!
>    -D'gou
>
D'gou,

I have not folded this paper.  I have folded our 14" and liked it.  on
paper this large, you might need to use interior splinting of some kind.
Since we have not imported it as yet, I don't have a price, but to give
you an idea, our 14" retails for $5.50, contains 20 sheets including 2
sheets of foil.

Thanks,

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:52:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:27:42 -0500 Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
writes:
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I am very privilaged as I get to work with origami paper every day as
>=
>my
>>job.  My company was sent some samples from Japan for us to consider
>>importing and selling here in the states.  We would appriciate an =
>opinion
>>from any of you who care to give one.  The paper  would be kami
>paper,
>>the size would be 201/2" square.  We already have 14" for sale and so
>=
>far
>>we have not gotten the information out that it is available so not
>many
>>of you have probably seen it. Will 20" be of interest to you?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your help,
>
>
>I don't know Judy, how much will it cost?
>Perry
>
Perry,

I don't know the cost but to give you an idea, our 14" is $5.50 for 20
sheets.

Thanks,

Judy

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From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:57:13 +0900
Subject: Re: Regarding blind money folds

> Jason writes that he has heard that the blind fold their bills each
> differently in order to differentiate them....Someone showed me this a long
> time ago.  I think the dollar is folded in half the short way. Then a five is
> folded differently, I think in half the short way and then in half the short
> way again.  I cant remember the others but can find out if you want me to.

It's interesting for me.
The blind in Japan don't have to fold.
Japanese bills have different ratio. 76mm*150mm for 1,000 yen,
76mm*155mm for 5,000 yen, and 76mm*160mm for 10,000 yen.
They also have embosses. One circle for 1,000 yen,
two circle lined horizontally for 5,000 yen, and two circles
lined vertically for 10,000 yen.
So we can differentiate them without seeing.

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:00:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:56:04 -0700 Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
writes:
>Valerie Vann writes:
>
>(snip) "...And on the subject of origami paper wish lists: what I'd
>like
>most (for boxes and modulars) is more variety in duo paper (different
>front
>and back), and packages with more sheets of particular combinations.
>Boxes
>often take 8-16 pieces of the same paper, and 30 sheets is a very
>common
>requirement for modulars.  (as are multiples of 30: 60, 90, 120, 210,
>270)."
>
>Amen!
>
>I love the 3" paper packs from F/Folds, but there are certain
>combinations
>that are prevalent and others that are rare.  There's some beautiful
>apple
>green, magenta and violet papers, but usually only about 2 of each per
>pack, whereas there's a ton of pale pink with pale grey flip side -
>YUCK.
>I always wonder how many packs of paper had to be purchased to achieve
>the
>designs in some of the photographed models in Fuse's books!  Ah well,
>looks
>like I'll be doing rainbow modular boxes for some time to come...
>
>
>"Peace In Creases"
>
>Steve Woodmansee
>stevew@empnet.com
>
Steve,

If you wind up with allot of paper you don't like the colors of, paint
it.  Use a sea sponge and acrylic paints.  Jusy dab it on.  the paint
doesn't crack on folding and the texture is allot like urban metals, if
you are faviliar with them.  Try what are called interference colors,
they are pearlessent and metalic but let the color of the paper show
through.

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:11:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:59:54 -0400 Chrome Digital
<chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
>>The paper  would be kami paper,
>>the size would be 201/2" square.  We already have 14" for sale and so
>far
>>we have not gotten the information out that it is available so not
>many
>>of you have probably seen it. Will 20" be of interest to you?
>
>Absolutely, but for machine-made paper in that size range, I'd be
>*considerably* more interested in Japanese foils than plain kami.
>
>-- Jim Puccio
>
Jim,

We are noting these responces.  our 14" pack does contain 2 sheets of
foli 1 gold and 1 silver.

Thanks,

Judy

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From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:38:06 +0900
Subject: Re: Regarding blind money folds

Oops, I made a mistake.

> They also have embosses. One circle for 1,000 yen,
> two circle lined horizontally for 5,000 yen, and two circles
> lined vertically for 10,000 yen.

To correct, two circles lined vertically for 5,000 yen,
and two circles lined horizontally for 10,000 yen.

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From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:48:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Boxes

Gabriel asks:

>I would like to get into boxes folding. Could you recomend me which would
>be the first, second and third book I should buy on this topic ?

I'd recommend the following:

Quick & Easy Origami Boxes   Tomoko Fuse ISBN# 0-87040-939-5

(If you can find it.)  This is a wirebound set of instructions more than a
book and is well diagrammed.  If you're like the rest of us you will soon
be under Fuse-san's spell!

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:52:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

Judy Pagnusat suggested the following:

>If you wind up with allot of paper you don't like the colors of, paint
>it.  Use a sea sponge and acrylic paints.  Jusy dab it on.  the paint
>doesn't crack on folding and the texture is allot like urban metals, if
>you are faviliar with them.

I'd be interested in hearing from those who've tried this.  Since the paint
is wet, does the application of it compromise the usability of the paper
(I'm thinking of paper used for Fuse-boxes specifically).  Am I being
forced into my first adventure with wet-folding?

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Gabriel <jperezanda@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:15:25 -0300
Subject: Boxes

Hi All,

I have been dedicated to animals in Origami.

I would like to get into boxes folding. Could you recomend me which would
be the first, second and third book I should buy on this topic ?
( any other resources would be ok also, but I would like to make a ranking.
I live in Uruguay, South America, and books are the easiest things to get
via mail )

Thanks,
Regards,
Gabriel.





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:54:25 -0400
Subject: Boxes

Tomoko Fuse has 4 box books in English. One is also a kit of paper plus
a book, and is simple. The other three are just books. All 4 are in print
I believe and readily available from the mail order origami sources and
bookstores. Even if you don't buy through the online bookstore
amazon.com, you can use it to get the ordering information. Just search
on Origami Boxes and Tomoko Fuse.

I would recommend that you get the three books, and use them in the
order they were published, oldest first. It is the most fundamental, and
in general the three books progress in difficulty.

If you can use Japanese language books, Fuse has perhaps a dozen
more origami books devoted to box making. Most of these are available
through the online Japanese bookstore, sasuga.com.

Valerie Vann





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:21:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

Judy D Pagnusat, replying to Jim Puccio, indited:
> Jim Puccio wrote:
> >Absolutely, but for machine-made paper in that size range, I'd be
> >*considerably* more interested in Japanese foils than plain kami.

> We are noting these responces.  our 14" pack does contain 2 sheets of
> foli 1 gold and 1 silver.

Judy,
        Thanks for all the replies.
        I realize you don't make the packaging decisions...  For a group of
     origami
fanatics, you'll probably find that what we want isn't what the "target
customers" that the paper companies are going for, want.  Its nice to say "a
few sheets of foil" in every package, but if I want only foil, that drives the
cost up by a factor of ten (or worse).  Similiarly with assorted packages of
patterns.  I think finally the packagers/manufacturers have gotten the idea of
selling paper in single color packages...  Good luck, and thanks again,
                                -Doug





From: Boseditor@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:34:38 -0400 (
Subject: NO: Help with empty files

Like many other folk I take the list in digest form. Normally I just get each
digest as straight e-mail but over a certain size Aol downloads it as a file.
Normally this is no problem but the last couple of times this has happened the
downloaded file has been empty.

Has anyone any idea why this might be happening or any suggestions as to what
I can do about it. I'd really like to stay in touch with what's going on!

Thanks

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From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:42:54 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's New Rose Question - Mounting on a Stem

>Where on the web are the rose diagrams?

Pictures and a link are at:
   http://www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/4222/origami.html
(Sorry, every so often, you have to plug your own site...)

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From: Jurgen Pletinckx <jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:54:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Boxes

In addition to the books Valerie mentioned, (the
bibles of boxes),
there are a few resources that deserve mention.
(These are the ones
I recall at this moment. If I forget any marvels,
please do tell us.)

First off, there is a gorgeous one-piece box on
Origami Munich's pages.
It is credited to Rene Lucio und Jan Spuetz, and
was published in
Urania-Ravensburger's "Das grosse Origamibuch").
Instructions are in
German, but the diagrams are clear, copious and
simple. A must-fold.

http://www.whatsup.de/WEBSPACE/17193/WEB17193.NSF/69ce731284cdeda9c1256437005910
     a6/bc4cd7173294536f8125660d00717399?OpenDocument

(ugly url, though. If it gets mangled, you can get
there
from Joseph Wu's site -> links -> Europe ->
Germany -> Origami
Munich -> Tato-schachtel).

Then there is the "Bonsai" box from Origami
Studio. Again
a one-piece, and a real looker. Credited to Katrin
Shumakova.

http://www.icomm.ru/home/origami/gallery/hall1/bonsai_e.htm

Finally, there is Glenda Scott's Fabric Origami
site, which
contains (amongst lots of other things) diagrams
for dozens
of Fuse (and Fuse-like) boxes. Marvelous pictures
of the finished
models, too. Diagrams are in PDF format, but worth
the bother of
installing an Acrobat Reader. You might want to
check this site
out to see whether Fuse boxes are to your liking.

http://www.owt.com/gdscott/

Enjoy,

Jurgen





From: Robert Vandeberg <rvandeberg@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:22:02 -0600
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's New Rose Question - Mounting on a Stem

Carmine Di Chiara wrote:

> Hi again.
>
> I've been enjoying Kawasaki's New Rose from the Web, and I'd like to mount
> it on a piece of floral wire.

Did I miss something?  Where on the web are the rose diagrams?  My part-timers
(the kids say I'm just being an air-head ;-)   ) must have kicked in again.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!!





From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:30:20 -0400
Subject: Question about lightweight paper for wetfolding.

Hi.

Would someone give me some advice on lighter papers suitable for
wetfolding? I've been using Canson, Strathmore, and Canford papers which
are all around the 150-160 grams per square meter (gsm) weight. They're
not working so well for my attempts at smaller models. I use brown
wrapping paper for practice, but its color and texture doesn't lend itself
to every model.

I also have access to Ingres paper at Pearl (90 gsm), but I recall that it
didn't have many strong or dark colors.

Is it possible to wetfold kami without a lot of frustration or
disintegration?

Another related question: Does anyone know the size of a sheet of Fabriano
paper? I'm trying to convert the 100lbs. per ream into gsm.

Thank you,

Carmine

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From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:50:14 -0400
Subject: Kawasaki's New Rose Question - Mounting on a Stem

Hi again.

I've been enjoying Kawasaki's New Rose from the Web, and I'd like to mount
it on a piece of floral wire. Or, if I could, on a completely origami
stem. I was looking for some help in the following areas:

1) An Origami Stem: I'm comfortable with the floral wire/floral tape
technique my friend Irene Yeh taught me. Does anyone have any books that
might describe an origami stem? I'm looking for one that is complex or
"realistic" enough to compliment and hopefully enhance Kawasaki's
great-looking rose.

2) The Calyx and Leaves: I haven't tried Joseph Wu's calyx from the
archives yet. It looks quite good.  Would anyone know of a source that
contains realistic rose leaves?  The petals I use with Kawasaki's original
rose start with a kite base and end like wide corrugated palm fronds. Does
anyone know how to make the leaves in this picture?

http://www.mit.edu/~cadichia/rose1.jpg

Thanks,

Carmine

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From: David Harter <tamagotchi@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:04:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's New Rose Question - Mounting on a Stem

Hi ...

Is the folding instructions for the rose on the web?  Can you give me the URL?

Thanks,
David Harter

Carmine Di Chiara wrote:

> Hi again.
>
> I've been enjoying Kawasaki's New Rose from the Web, and I'd like to mount
> it on a piece of floral wire. Or, if I could, on a completely origami
> stem. I was looking for some help in the following areas:
>
> 1) An Origami Stem: I'm comfortable with the floral wire/floral tape
> technique my friend Irene Yeh taught me. Does anyone have any books that
> might describe an origami stem? I'm looking for one that is complex or
> "realistic" enough to compliment and hopefully enhance Kawasaki's
> great-looking rose.
>
> 2) The Calyx and Leaves: I haven't tried Joseph Wu's calyx from the
> archives yet. It looks quite good.  Would anyone know of a source that
> contains realistic rose leaves?  The petals I use with Kawasaki's original
> rose start with a kite base and end like wide corrugated palm fronds. Does
> anyone know how to make the leaves in this picture?
>
> http://www.mit.edu/~cadichia/rose1.jpg
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carmine
>
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:04:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's New Rose Question - Mounting on a Stem

Here are two Rose Leave Models listed in the Origami Model Index.

Rose Leaves
 Creator: Toshie Takahama
 Book: Origami: Paperfolding For Fun  page 51  By: Kenneway
Eric
 Begin w/ a sq folding into diamond base  Level:
S  10 steps
 Keywords: plant leaf

Rose with Leaves)
 Creator: Toshikazu Kawasaki
 Book: La Era Nueva  page 38  By: Kasahara Kunihiko
 Begin w/ a sq folding into Star Twist base  Level: I
16 steps  Folds: sink  Keywords: plant flower rose

Toshie Takahama's leaves are the essence of simplicity and beauty.

By the way, Joseph's Wu's Rose Base looks absolutely stunning with a
Kawasaki Rose placed in the center.

Dorothy





From: Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:16:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

>> We are noting these responces.  our 14" pack does contain 2 sheets of
>> foli 1 gold and 1 silver.

This is not a package of foils, and will not be purchased by someone who
wants to fold in foil.  It is only of use to someone that wants kami
primarily.

>Its nice to say "a
>few sheets of foil" in every package, but if I want only foil, that drives
the
>cost up by a factor of ten (or worse).  Similiarly with assorted packages
of
>patterns.

Indeed, in general I would *prefer* to buy entire packages of a single
foil/paper color combination.  I absolutely loathe assortments (in foil *or*
kami!).  There are many models I haven't bothered to make yet simply because
I can't get my hands (economically) on enough material of a given type.

My particular desires, when it comes to machine made paper are:

* Foil
* Choice of foil color
* Choice of paper color
* Availability of big sheets (though I often do fold small)
* Large numbers of sheets per package
* Single style per package

>I think finally the packagers/manufacturers have gotten the idea of
>selling paper in single color packages...

Really?  Please point me to one, because I haven't seen this, with the
exception of 15 cm gold or silver foils with a white paper side - yucky
enough (though plentiful) that I pretty much only use them for practice
folds.

-- Jim Puccio





From: Peter Mielke <peter@DOE.UTORONTO.CA>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:26:15 -0400
Subject: Francisco Caboblanco's Formula One racing car
Gnu-Emacs: because editing your files should be a traumatic experience.

In the latest BOS Mini-Meeting Diary there is mention of a "realistic
Formula One racing car by Francisco Caboblanco. This was made for eight
pieces, each a slight modification of the same simple module."

Where can i get the diagrams for this model?

Thanks in advance,

Peter





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:17:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

Jim Puccio indited:
+Indeed, in general I would *prefer* to buy entire packages of a single
+foil/paper color combination.  I absolutely loathe assortments (in foil *or*
+kami!).  There are many models I haven't bothered to make yet simply because
+I can't get my hands (economically) on enough material of a given type.

Agreed.  But I don't think pre-packaged origami paper is aimed at the
afficiando's...

+>I think finally the packagers/manufacturers have gotten the idea of
+>selling paper in single color packages...
+
+Really?  Please point me to one, because I haven't seen this, with the
+exception of 15 cm gold or silver foils with a white paper side - yucky
+enough (though plentiful) that I pretty much only use them for practice
+folds.

I have not seen it in any retail store where I live (Pittsburgh, PA,
USA), but Fascinating Folds (http://www.fascinating-folds.com/), Kim's
Crane (http://www.kimscrane.com/), and the OUSA Source
(http://www.origami-usa.org/)all stock various sizes of paper that is
packaged only one color per package.

-D'gou





From: Tony O'Hare <tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:17:46 +0100
Subject: BOS Convention

A brief note/reminder for anyone passing near Nottingham, England this
weekend - 'Tis the British Origami Society Autumn Convention at Florence
Boot Hall, Nottingham University. Feel free to drop in, even if you
haven't booked a place (yet). Attendance is free, but I'm sure we'll get
some money out of you somehow!
We're planning to join other societies (incl. USA, Germany) in
celebrating Lillian Oppenheimer's 100th Anniversary and her role in the
spread of origami round the world - and specifically the BOS's debt to
Lillian - by releasing 100 balloons on Saturday afternoon. Anyone
attending is invited to personally launch a balloon with an origami
model or message etc attached, so if you have some particular favourite
please bring it along or fold on the day.
There's also a packed programme of model mayhem, strange games, books
galore from "Bookends" our new suppliers from London, fine English
cuisine (!) and folding/drinking til the small hours (hopefully).
Contact myself on 0117 9145857 or Rick Beech on 01332 281802 for more
details, or drop me an email.
Tony
tohare@cableinet.co.uk





From: "Katherine N." <revkat@EARTHLING.NET>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:48:13 -0700
Subject: Re: Is Fuse's lizard published somewhere?

There is a modular lizard in the book "The New Origami" by Steve & Megumi
Biddle (apologies if I got the title wrong).  The model is called Action
Lizard.  It's one of my favorites.  I don't recall whether the model is
Fuse's or not.

Katherine Nelson
revkat@earthling.net

> In Brill's book "Brilliant Origami" is a photo of a wonderful
> modular lizard of Tomoko Fuse which moves when you hold its
> tail and wave your hand (a bit like certain bamboo snakes that
> I used to see in San Francisco's China Town).  Does anyone know
> if instructions for this lizard have been published?  And
> where?





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:57:43 +0900
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

> >If you wind up with allot of paper you don't like the colors of, paint
> >it.  Use a sea sponge and acrylic paints.  Jusy dab it on.  the paint
> >doesn't crack on folding and the texture is allot like urban metals, if
> >you are faviliar with them.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing from those who've tried this.  Since the paint
> is wet, does the application of it compromise the usability of the paper
> (I'm thinking of paper used for Fuse-boxes specifically).  Am I being
> forced into my first adventure with wet-folding?

I tried acrylic paints with a paint brush and a sprayer,
and I didn't like them.
I use pastel to paint.

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From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:58:41 -0400
Subject: Is Fuse's lizard published somewhere?

Hi all,

In Brill's book "Brilliant Origami" is a photo of a wonderful
modular lizard of Tomoko Fuse which moves when you hold its
tail and wave your hand (a bit like certain bamboo snakes that
I used to see in San Francisco's China Town).  Does anyone know
if instructions for this lizard have been published?  And
where?

                       Many thanks,
                          Mark
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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:13:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:52:24 -0700 Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
writes:
>Judy Pagnusat suggested the following:
>
>>If you wind up with allot of paper you don't like the colors of,
>paint
>>it.  Use a sea sponge and acrylic paints.  Jusy dab it on.  the paint
>>doesn't crack on folding and the texture is allot like urban metals,
>if
>>you are faviliar with them.
>
>I'd be interested in hearing from those who've tried this.  Since the
>paint
>is wet, does the application of it compromise the usability of the
>paper
>(I'm thinking of paper used for Fuse-boxes specifically).  Am I being
>forced into my first adventure with wet-folding?
>
>"Peace In Creases"
>
>Steve Woodmansee
>stevew@empnet.com
>
Steve,

I have done this and it makes the paper look very rich.  It is not wet
folded, you let irt dry before you fold it.  I did a Fuse bos using a
tiger print paper and two solids, black and yellow.  Looked like totally
different paper when done and very expensive looking.

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:18:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Large Origami Paper

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:16:48 -0400 Chrome Digital
<chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
>>> We are noting these responces.  our 14" pack does contain 2 sheets
>of
>>> foli 1 gold and 1 silver.
>
>This is not a package of foils, and will not be purchased by someone
>who
>wants to fold in foil.  It is only of use to someone that wants kami
>primarily.
>
>>Its nice to say "a
>>few sheets of foil" in every package, but if I want only foil, that
>drives
>the
>>cost up by a factor of ten (or worse).  Similiarly with assorted
>packages
>of
>>patterns.
>
>Indeed, in general I would *prefer* to buy entire packages of a single
>foil/paper color combination.  I absolutely loathe assortments (in
>foil *or*
>kami!).  There are many models I haven't bothered to make yet simply
>because
>I can't get my hands (economically) on enough material of a given
>type.
>
>My particular desires, when it comes to machine made paper are:
>
>* Foil
>* Choice of foil color
>* Choice of paper color
>* Availability of big sheets (though I often do fold small)
>* Large numbers of sheets per package
>* Single style per package
>
>>I think finally the packagers/manufacturers have gotten the idea of
>>selling paper in single color packages...
>
>Really?  Please point me to one, because I haven't seen this, with the
>exception of 15 cm gold or silver foils with a white paper side -
>yucky
>enough (though plentiful) that I pretty much only use them for
>practice
>folds.
>
>-- Jim Puccio
>
Jim,

I believe you can get solid packs from Origami USA, Kim's Crane and
Fascinating Folds.  Yasutomo is introducing solid packs of 50 sheets in 8
colors 6" $3.70 retail.

Judy

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From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:30:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Is Fuse's lizard published somewhere?

Mark Casida inquired about Tomoko Fuse's modular lizard.  It is
diagrammed in one of Steve and Megumi Biddle's books--I believe New
Origami (if not, then Essential Origami).

Sonia Wu
(Florida)
