




From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:49:39 -0500
Subject: Re: obscure Kenneway(?) book

>I found this book in a library in Quebec in 1981:  my aunt lived there at
>the time and was running a quick errand...I had only a few minutes to
>photocopy some of the models, including Dave Brill's famous bottle.  Of
>course now I could kick myself for not getting the whole thing!  I have
>never seen the book before or since.

The book is Eric Kenneways Origami Paperfolding for Fun  ISBN  0-7064-1015-7

I hope this helps, if not and you need something specific from the book let me
     know and I can scan it in for you or at least give a good description!

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
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From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:08:25 -0400
Subject: Re: obscure Kenneway(?) book

At 08:13 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET> wrote:

>I found this book in a library in Quebec in 1981:  my aunt lived there at
>the time and was running a quick errand...I had only a few minutes to
>photocopy some of the models, including Dave Brill's famous bottle.  Of
>course now I could kick myself for not getting the whole thing!  I have
>never seen the book before or since.
>
>Here are the models:
>
>book by Martin Wall
>candle by Yoshihide Momotani
>book of matches by Laurie Bisman
>matchbox by Max Hulme
>bottle by Dave Brill
>yacht by Dave Brill
>rose by Toshie Takahama
>swan by John French
>box with lid by Dave Brill
>jewel by Toshie Takahama
>chimpanzee by John Richardson
>hedgehog by John Richardson
>fly by Max Hulme
>spider by Max Hulme

This is Eric Kennaway's "Paperfolding for Fun." which was published by
Octopuss Press. I am not sure if it is still in print or not (probably
not), and the later editions eliminated some models (while retainning the
original table of contents). Perhaps you can find it in a library?

Marc





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:16:39 -0400
Subject: Re: The design problem

At 05:17 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Peter Mielke <peter@DOE.UTORONTO.CA> wrote:

>One pattern might be "use all parts of the square" (a model that completely
>uses up a square feels better than one that has a section that is extra
>thick). In thinking over this, it looks more like this is a principle than
>a pattern.

All models, regardless of simplicity, "consume" portions of the square
(although some models are more efficient than others). Even with a model
with zero folds (see JJ Caslonga's web page for examples), half the square
is wasted, as you can only see one side of a square at a time!

Marc





From: Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:03:25 -0400
Subject: More Patricia Crawford

For what it's worth, I've made a few minor improvements to her Unicorn and
Stalking Cat, that I would like to diagram at some point, although from the
foregoing discussion, it sounds like distributing the diagrams may be
problematic.  :(

The improvement to the Unicorn is not a design change, but a folding
sequence that is both easier to execute and produces fewer unsightly
creases.  Otherwise the end result is identical.

The modifications to the Stalking Cat are very slight, but I think make the
model a wee tad more lifelike.

Also, Harbin's diagrams are not the clearest at a few points, and I believe
I can clarify the muddy spots.  I'll have to study Nolan's versions to see
whether he made any strides in those same spots, since I haven't bothered to
work any of his diagrams of her pieces.

-- Jim Puccio





From: Imtiaz Razvi <imtiazrazvi@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:44:43 -0700 (
Subject: WANTED URGENTLY-ITALIAN ORIGAMIST

Please does anyone have an e-mail or postal address for Luciano
Vitagliano. He is an Italian origamist who has created an exquisite
model Lady & The Swan,about which I need further info.
He has tele-fax no on the Italian C.D.O web site but that has proved of
no use.
I know he is a member of an origami club Napoli E in Naples, Italy.
Perhaps someone has their details OR has  anyone seen the model
diagrams?

PLEASE HELP!!

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From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:31:34 +0900
Subject: Re: The design problem

> Also, Fumiaki Kawahata has written an article *in Engligh*
> about his method of origami design, and it's totally
> interesting to compare Kawahata's approach and Lang's
> approach.  Kawahata's article appears in
> "Origami Science and Art: the Proceedings of the 2nd
> International Meeting of Origami Science and Scientific
> Origami, Otsu, Japan, 1994" (K. Miura ed.)  This can
> be purchased directly from Toshikazu Kawasaki (see the
> Origami Tantiedan web page) or from OrigamiUSA (I *think* -
> they should be getting copies and offering them for sale
> soon, if they haven't already.)

Kawasaki-san's address is...

Sasebo College of Tech.,
Okishin 1-1,
Sasebo, Nagasaki,
857-1193 JAPAN

kawasaki@post.cc.sasebo.ac.jp

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From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:01:13 +0000 (
Subject: Re: folding a paper into n equal parts (again)

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:48:07 EDT, Dribalz@AOL.COM wrote:

> could someone describe again
>the method  for dividing a piece of paper into n equal parts.

I saved most of the recent discussion on this for later delectation.
Would you like me to send it to you?
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:33:56 +0200
Subject: Re: A new insect?

Hi All!

Robert is absoultely right! The enormous amount of insects provides an
excellent and insourcable inspiration for Origamists.

It is important to look at an insect or the subject as a whole, not as a
bunch of appendages. And modern origamists do not need to worry anymore
about obtaining the excat amount of points since throughout the years
techniques have been developed to sort that effect. This gives the
designer the opportunity to pay more attention to appearance rather than
obtaing the right amount of appendages.

For me it is important to make an insect nice to fold, without too many
thick points and layers with a nice appearance without puffy layers and
flaps. And what I already mentioned some months before about anotehr

And the challenge is even being increased when working on flying insects
(I only managed to do one: a flying Rhinoceros Beetle, that also can be
folded in a non-flying version, that is -when folded from the same size
of paper- exactly root 2 times bigger than the flying beetle).

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@student.kun.nl)





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:47:30 +0800
Subject: Religious Origami

        This discourse reminds me of an origami meeting  I attended in
Osaka, Japan, where I had to explain, in my poor Japanese, why it was not
appropriate to include origami crosses to decorate Christmas trees.  To add
to the confusion, just outside the meeting room was a huge tree sponsored by
a New Zealnd company, decorated with .......Kiwi Fruit.  East Meets West!
(I guess it all is countered by the number of people I've seen wearing
kimono tied the wrong way (ie right over left) which is strictly taboo in
Japan).





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:55:46 +0100
Subject: Max Hulme

> Hulme's models are masterpieces, featuring a notorious triple sink and
> color-change wings for the fly.  They were pictured on the cover of BOS
> 141, April '90 (with no diagrams, alas!)

Following encouragement from Dave Venables, Max Hulme has made a welcome
return to origami. He is working with Dave Venables on the production of
a CD-ROM documenting his models (I guess progress on this may have been
slowed because of Dave's work on the Elias CD-ROM project). Max is developing
some new models. Two months ago he taught me (and other members of the
Birmingham origami group) a modular hexagonal box complete with lid (modular
folding is a new venture for Max), and he also showed a model of a penny-
farthing bicycle + rider that he was working on.

If there are specific models for which you are seeking further information,
I would be happy to pass your enquiry to Max, at one of the monthly meetings
of the Birmingham origami group. I believe he has kept records of all his
models in a series of notebooks, and has a supporting computer database.

If there are any readers in the Birmingham, England area who would like
information about our meetings (next one is this Sunday, 30 August), then
please email me.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:50:46 +0100
Subject: Gretchen D. Westlight

Trying to contact Gretchen D. Westlight -- from "Gretchen's Home Page". She
makes Origami Boxes. Site has email address --- but it did not work for me.
Help??

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: http://www.modelshops.com <<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:31:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Religious Origami

>>Darren Scott wrote:

>>I'm am suposed to be teaching a religous origami (Christian in
>>this case) class in two weeks but my books form Amazon haven't
>>arrived yet. If some one knows of a source of religous origami that i
>>can get to Australia with in two week it would help me greatly.

Hi Darren,

What's the main focus of your class? That is, what aspect of Christianity will
you be teaching?  As I wrote earlier, religious origami is my specialty and
I've spent a few years gathering lists of models and putting courses together
that use origami to teach comparative religion.

As was suggested by another posting, you can teach many Christian concepts by
using a variety of models which you can find in common books that aren't
specific to a religious tradition or holiday. For example, many saints have
flowers or objects associated with them.  You can teach the traditional lily
and explain its many Christian symbols (Virgin Mary, Christ).  Same thing with
the four evangelists and the animals associated with them. You can find books
on religious symbolism in any library's reference section. Peacocks also come
to mind.

A model of a cock can be used to tell the story of why so many churches have
cock weathervanes (at least Episcoplian ones in the U.S. do). It is a reference
to Helios (the sun god), as well as to the story of the cock crowing twice when
Christ is denied by one of the disciples.

Then there's animals on Noah's ark to cover Genisis stories.  Think stars,
angels, etc. You get the idea -- you'll be suprised at how many models can be
adapted to teach religion. By the way, what's the age-group? These suggestions
can be used with adults or kids as long as the model skill-level is
appropriate.

Rather than waiting for theme books or buying more than you want to, I've found
the best way to collect models is to scan origami books in my local libraries
and get them through interlibrary loan (only takes about a week).  That way you
can learn the models without buying the books.

Earlier (last year?) I believe Kenneth Kasahara (?) sent around a very nice
list of models with sources grouped under many religious traditions.  You may
want to check the archives and then see if you can find any of the books in the
library. Also appearing on this listserv on and off are references to folded
and cut models with a story attached.  There's one I've traced back to the
1830s that creates a cross (or three crosses depending on how you arrange the
pieces) -- it's been reprinted at least as recently as the 1960's.

And finally, I have used traditional Chinese and Japanese religious origami in
a children's church service.  The idea was to teach them about other traditions
within the frame work of their own tradition. It worked very well.

Good luck!

Kristine Tomlinson
Waltham, MA, USA





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:26:12 -0400
Subject: diagrams

Thereza,

Do you have World Wide Web access, or just email? There are
literally hundreds of diagrams available on the Web, and
the best place to start looking is at Joseph Wu's web site.

If you only have email or FTP, the choices are more limited.

valerie





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:29:44 -0400
Subject: obscure Kenneway(?) book

There is more than one version of this book around; I bought
one at a second hand book store, but it was the latter one
that didn't have all the models, though they were in the photos.
(I particularly wanted the hedgehog). However a friend had
the full original version and sent me a copy of the hedgehog
directions. If she doesn't pick up on your email, I'll look
it up when I get home (I'm at work).

valerie





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:31:59 -0400
Subject: obscure Kenneway(?) book

oh, by the way, I think all the Brill models in this book
are available in Brill's own books, all of which are still
in print I believe. (e.g. Brilliant Origami); others may
also be in the Biddle books.

valerie





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:32:39 -1000
Subject: Re: Religious Origami

Chamberlain, Clare wrote:
>
>         This discourse reminds me of an origami meeting  I attended in
> Osaka, Japan, where I had to explain, in my poor Japanese, why it was not
> appropriate to include origami crosses to decorate Christmas trees.  To add
> to the confusion, just outside the meeting room was a huge tree sponsored by
> a New Zealnd company, decorated with .......Kiwi Fruit.  East Meets West!
> (I guess it all is countered by the number of people I've seen wearing
> kimono tied the wrong way (ie right over left) which is strictly taboo in
> Japan).

The kimono thing...laying the right of the kimono over the left is done
at funerals, not for other regular occasions.  Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:46:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Badger

Robin Glynn inquired about origami badgers.  I think Dr. Stephen
O'Hanlon (my apologies if I misspelled any of his name) has diagrammed a
badger, and that it's available on his website.  I believe he posted the
information to the list a few months ago.

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:50:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Badger, Part II

Robin Glynn asked about origami badgers, and I neglected to note the
mention that she hadn't seen them folded EXCEPT BY HERSELF.  Robin--do
you have diagrams?  I like badgers, too!  Are you publishing
them/submitting them to OUSA/putting them on the a web page?

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: Maureen Evans <kanga@ESCAPE.CA>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:30:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Anteaters

Donna & Robin wrote:

> Another animal I have not seen folded (except by me!) is the Badger.
> Does anyone know any different?
>
> Robin Glynn
>
>

Hi Robyn

Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon's site has a badger (and many others).

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4800/

Maureen Evans
kanga@escape.ca





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:36:09 +0200
Subject: Re: Using VISIO for computer diagramming

Hello Everyone,

> ....VISIO....
>        I didn't evaluate any others, although I did find Corel a little
>clumsy. Maybe that was me!

I'm using Corel 4.0 and I agree that _for the first time (and perhaps the
second as well)_ it seems clumsy. I had the same experience but since I
learned how to use it, it's quite powerful in my eyes.

I can't say anything about VISIO, Freehand, etc. because I haven't tried
them. I just can say Corel is pretty suitable for origami-diagrams.

Just my 2 Forints,

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:36:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami Anteaters

Hi again,

>        David Steere inquired about origami anteaters--Peter Budai has
>designed one!

I admit...

>He is on the list, but let me know if you want to contact him privately.

Yes, I still on the list but I get every US e-mail with a delay (due to the
fact that my time zone is several hours plus to the US time zones). So
that's why my "reaction time" takes longer.

My e-mail is <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu> BTW.

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:19:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Anteaters

Another animal I have not seen folded (except by me!) is the Badger.
Does anyone know any different?

Robin Glynn





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:22:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Anteaters
Fumiaki Kawahata has an intermediate Anteater (ARIKUI) model in his book ,
Wild Animal of the World (ISBN4-900747-11-4, published by Ishizue, 1996).
It is simpler than Montroll's model in Origami Inside-Out.

Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)
chens@asme.org





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:21:03 -0500
Subject: Re: obscure Kenneway(?) book
Hi Rob:

My library has this book by Kenneway (1980). It's called "Paper Folding for
Fun". There are two different copies with the same title. Only one has the Fly,
Spider, and Hedgehog in it, the ISBN is 0 7064 1015 7

Kathy <*))))><

Rob Moes wrote:

> I found this book in a library in Quebec in 1981:  my aunt lived there at
> the time and was running a quick errand...I had only a few minutes to
> photocopy some of the models, including Dave Brill's famous bottle.  Of
> course now I could kick myself for not getting the whole thing!  I have
> never seen the book before or since.
>
> Here are the models:
>
> book by Martin Wall
> candle by Yoshihide Momotani
> book of matches by Laurie Bisman
> matchbox by Max Hulme
> bottle by Dave Brill
> yacht by Dave Brill
> rose by Toshie Takahama
> swan by John French
> box with lid by Dave Brill
> jewel by Toshie Takahama
> chimpanzee by John Richardson
> hedgehog by John Richardson
> fly by Max Hulme
> spider by Max Hulme





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:19:36 +0900
Subject: Re: folding a paper into n equal parts (again)

> I know this has been  bandied about before, but could someone describe again
> the method  for dividing a piece of paper into n equal parts.  I am going to
> show someone how to do the (Jackson?) $ rosette at our next local meeting.
> The book I have shows the division into 8ths--rather easy.  My rosette is
> divided into 11ths.  Someone taught me this neat method of doing that, but I
> forgot it.  Help would be appreciated.

I described it in Origami Tanteidan's web site.
Visit <http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/People/CAGE_/divide/index-e.html>

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From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:01:21 -0700
Subject: Thanks Towel Cakes - Results

Thanks to everyone who sent me information about towel cakes.  A
couple of people replied to me privately, and someone asked me to
summarize the answers to the list since they were also interested in
making a towel cake.

The size of the cake can vary depending on how many towels are used,
but the person with the most complete description said that he
remembered that the bottom tier was usually formed from two bath
towels, the middle tier from two or more hand towels, and the top tier
from four face cloths.  The towels are folded into long, narrow strips
and coiled into shape.  He remembered that the towels were held
together with long, T-shaped pins available from craft and fabric
stores.  Another person suggested holding them together with wide,
flower-patterned ribbon.  Once the tiers are stacked, the cake is
decorated with ribbons, flowers, candy, fancy soaps, and even origami.

Someone also mentioned seeing a baby gift of a cake made up of cloth
diapers and decorated with diaper pins, rattles, toys, etc. and
presented in a clear circular container.

One other suggestion involved folding the towels into rectangles, then
stacking and decorating them.  Instead of having a round cake, you
could have a square or rectangular cake with tiers.

My thanks again to the people who provided information on towel cakes
they had seen or wuggestions on how to construct one.  I am very
grateful.

Carol Martinson

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From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:23:34 +0200
Subject: Re: obscure Kenneway(?) book

At 20.13 25/8/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Now that Harbin's Step-By-Step has been brought back from the great beyond,
>here's another long-buried treasure I'd like to dig up!  Any clues about
>this next book would be much appreciated....

Obscure ?? This is one of Kenneway's most successful books (Origami:
Paperfolding for Fun, Octopus Books, 1980). I think it's no longer in
print, but it has also been translated into some other languages including
Italian (that edition might be still available, I can check) and Dutch.
It's certainly a "must" for all dedicated folders, and a reprint by some
publisher (Dover ???) would be desirable.

Roberto





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:40:39 -0400
Subject: Woops!

My apologies to Kenny Kawamura for mangling his last name in my "Re: Religious
Origami" post.  So much for my memory! The credit for the wonderful list of
models grouped by religions goes to him.  (Right? :-)

=blush=
Kristine Tomlinson





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:51:49 -0700
Subject: Re: A new insect?
At 19:39 98/08/27 +0200, you wrote:
>Huh! Until now I thought my Rhino Beetle will be a big hit when I will have
>diagrammed it but now you have a flying version... Sniff-sniff :(

Oh, people will still want it. 8)

>Anyway, next year watch out for some P.B. insect diagrams (if I manage to
>survive school starting :)

Also, Gallery Origami House will be publishing a collection of insects from
the Origami Tanteidan. It is slated to be released this fall.

>BTW, a mosquito would be a challenge as well.

I did a simple bird-base mosquito back in the late 1980's...I wonder if I
still have a prototype lying around?
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From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:28:14 -0400
Subject: Re: A new insect?

At 10:51 AM 8/27/98 -0700, Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA> wrote:

>>BTW, a mosquito would be a challenge as well.
>
>I did a simple bird-base mosquito back in the late 1980's...I wonder if I
>still have a prototype lying around?

I did one in the late 80's as well, and mine was from a blintzed bird base
(and simple conceptually as well). The base was made with the white side
out, so the wings could be formed from the central point. All of the
remaining 8 points were thinned and outside reverse folded (to essentially
colour-change the entire model), and after a few detail folds, you get a
very effective mosquito.

Marc





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:28:01 -0700
Subject: New Site

Hello list members,
      This is an invitation to view my new website called Ria's Fold.  I
hesitated to make this post
because I still haven't found out the names of folders who made displays in
photos so I can credit them
properly, but those of you who attended the OUSA convention in NYC could
help out by responding via a
mail link.  Here's the URL:

     http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5466/ria/ria.html

      My website will be linked to an art education site on How to Fold an
Origami Swan for beginners,
because it ties into Emma Craib's stuff for kids and parents to visit.  Her
site is in the scholarship
links on Joseph Wu's Page in case you haven't viewed that either.  We'd like
to hear from any of you
who'd like to take the time to offer constructive criticism or a word of praise.

Thanks,
Ria





From: Richard Davies <richardd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:22:21 +0100
Subject: UK books

If you get in quick http://www.alphabetstreet.com are doing 40% off all books
for the next few days. I found them looking for a cheap supplier of academic
books which were more expensive to import from the states. If there is a book
(Origami or otherwise) that they don't list, they should still be able to get
them if they are print.

Cheers,

Rich





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:39:12 +0200
Subject: Re: A new insect?

Hi Everybody,

>Robert is absoultely right! The enormous amount of insects provides an
>excellent and insourcable inspiration for Origamists.

And some hard days as well... ;)

>...
>
>And the challenge is even being increased when working on flying insects
>(I only managed to do one: a flying Rhinoceros Beetle, that also can be
>folded in a non-flying version, that is -when folded from the same size
>of paper- exactly root 2 times bigger than the flying beetle).

Huh! Until now I thought my Rhino Beetle will be a big hit when I will have
diagrammed it but now you have a flying version... Sniff-sniff :(

About flying beetles. Yes, it's much harder, since you have to think about
the colour-changing as well (not speaking about the additional four long
appendages). I had a go on a flying Hercules Beetle but it was thick enough
to rip when folded from tissue foil... (ooops!) But I have a dusty flying
stag beetle somewhere in a box, which is -funny- from the same base as my
"regular" stag beetle.

Anyway, next year watch out for some P.B. insect diagrams (if I manage to
survive school starting :)

BTW, a mosquito would be a challenge as well.

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:35:34 +0200
Subject: Re: A new insect?

Hi All,

Insects do provide a huge challenge in origami but like in all facets of
life there are good and bad insect-designs. Since i am being a purist I
would automatically categorize the insects folded from several peieces f
paper or a paper-shape other than a square and the ones that have cuts as
bad insects. And the ones that are thick and puffy I also do not like.

I prefer that the legs and other appendages , although not always
possible... are folded from the corners and the sides of the square rather
than the center of the paper. An insect also must stand very well and I
also believe an insect shouldn;t be folded to big but also not too small
so all the detail is gone.

Most insects I came up with are based on the blintzed frogbase, or at
least the section used for the legs. Well this is the standard-way of
folding an insect's legs. The two opposite corners from the two middle
legs of the insects and the front and hind legs are made from teh sides
near those corners. THis is actually utterly simple but extremely
qffective and it can be used in several variations, so that you acn alter
the length of teh legs and the place where the joint the body.

Robert was right about the fact that most of teh fun in folding an insect
is in the 'extra stuff': wings, elytra, antennae and horns and stuff. My
rhinoceros beetle is fun because of teh extra antennae and the horn and
because of the 3D effect of the elytra (hard wings that cover the soft
wings  the beetle uses to fly). And it just stands very well.

THe horn on the beetle's head  is made from the a point that lies on the
diagonal of the square and the legs where formed in a way I just
described: middle legs from the corners, othe legs from the sides. The
antennae are also made from teh sides near the other corner.

For the flying version I knew I needed exta papaer for the wings and
elytra. The non-flying version had a closed back but the flying one has 5
extra points: two white ones fro the wings, two colored fro the elytra
that go to teh sides and on fro the abdomen, that the non-flying one also
lacks. I long searched for the correct proportions but the answer was
pretty simple: let the sides of the sqqre be root 2 and  draw a smaller
square in that big suqre that had side 1. The upper corners and edges of
both squares aline. The 1 x 1 squre will be the beetle, folded almost the
smae as the non-flying one and the 'extra' paper will be the wings, elytra
and abdomen. Funny to see is that now the hind legs are made from the
corners of the square and the remaining ones from the edges.

Okay this was a little story about how one of my insects was desigend. The
Rhino Beetle actually is  agreat memory of the BOS's 30 th anniversary
since I designed it there and I finishded it at home... But I gueess
explaining is easier if you actually SEE the design

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@studnet.kun.nl)





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:03:22 +1000
Subject: Re: Religious Origami

Hi Darren,

Living in Aust. maybe I can help with loaning you what you need (if you
have any particular books in mind). The postage time should be minimal.
E-mail me privately if you are interested.

Regards,

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Tony O'Hare <tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:54:38 +0100
Subject: Badgers

Robin Glynn wrote:
> Another animal I have not seen folded (except by me!) is the Badger.
> Does anyone know any different?

Martin Wall did a nice badger, printed in the British Origami Society
Convention booklet from Birmingham Autumn 1979 - this may be obtained
from the BOS library if you want to have a look. I have an essential
reference booklet "Index of Convention Packs 1979-1991" by David Petty,
printed by the BOS, which has an alphabetical list of all the models
included in these packs during this period. There is also another badger
listed by Peter Lillington in the Spring 1985 (Oxford) Convention Pack.
Hope this is useful.
Tony
tohare@cableinet.co.uk





From: Tony O'Hare <tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:03:32 +0100
Subject: Eric Kenneway's "Paperfolding for Fun"

A notable omission from the list of folds in this excellent book (and an
extra reason for trying to get hold of it) is a cracking cartoon "Pig"
from a 2x1 rectangle by someone called Anthony O'Hare.
Cheers.





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:15:30 +0900
Subject: Re: Religious Origami(about kimono)

> > (I guess it all is countered by the number of people I've seen wearing
> > kimono tied the wrong way (ie right over left) which is strictly taboo in
> > Japan).
>
> The kimono thing...laying the right of the kimono over the left is done
> at funerals, not for other regular occasions.

For a detail, laying the right over the left is done for burial clothes.
That is, a dead person wear kimono in such a way.
A living person always lay the left over right.

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*  We can rather cast blank votes than keep away from polls.  *
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From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:49:53 -0400
Subject: Duplicate Books -- Need a good home

Unfortunately, my age is catching up to me.  I discovered while looking
for another of my origami books that I have three duplicate books.  They
are not out of print, as far as I know, so they are not "real gems," but
they are some of my favorite books.  I'm looking for someone who might
like to give any or all of them a good home.  They are:

    Festive Folding by Jackson -- would like to get $12.00 + postage

    Origami Hearts by Ow -- would like to get $12.00 + postage

    Origami Transportation by Momotani -- would like to get $22.00 +
postage

Please e-mail me privately (DO NOT POST TO THE LIST PLEASE) if you are
interested.

Thank you,
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:57:06 +0200
Subject: Re: Eric Kenneway's "Paperfolding for Fun"

On 28-Aug-98, Tony O'Hare (tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK) wrote:

>A notable omission from the list of folds in this excellent book (and
>an extra reason for trying to get hold of it) is a cracking cartoon
>"Pig" from a 2x1 rectangle by someone called Anthony O'Hare.

The pig was the first model ever given away to unsuspecting recipient
by someone called Jorma Oksanen.  It was well received.

Thanks.
--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Daniel Philip Scher <dps207@IS8.NYU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:00:15 -0500
Subject: Jeremy Shafer models

Hi everyone,

I noticed today that Origami House's web page added some pictures of Jeremy
Shafer's models now on display there. I'd seen many of them before, but
there were also some new ones. In particular, there was a very nice "Man in
the Moon Watching a Falling Star."

They're at:

http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~origamih/tenji/ehpj21.htm

-daniel





From: VVOrigami@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:07:12 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Religious Origami(about kimono)

Probably one thing contributing to Westerners violating this
kimono wearing custom: American/English clothing with buttons
(shirts, coats, etc) was always made with the buttonholes (the
top layer) on the right for women's clothes and opposite for men.
This is still the practice, except that there is a lot of "unisex"
clothing made now all the same.

I wonder if anyone has observed whether more Western women
than men violate the kimono custom...

valerie





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:21:12 -0400
Subject: Models in Tanteindan #3?

Can any kind sould list the models diagrammed in the third Tanteindan
Convention book.  I know that's where Yoda is.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:52:48 +0100
Subject: NO Star Trek & hobbies

Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG> sez

>I did not consider the original statement as being judgemental.

My intention (perhaps too subtle) was to encourage the non-folding
aspects of this thread to move to a more appropriate list.

I fold paper, collect Hornsea Pottery, "fold" string figures, play
improvised ambient guitar - who am I to judge other people's interests?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:56:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Badger, Part II

Wu, Sonia <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU> sez

>Robin Glynn asked about origami badgers

The best badger I know (by far) is by Peter Lillington of GB (sadly no
longer folding) - it was in a past BOS convention pack (Oxford 85). The
best compliment I can pay it is by saying I thought it was a Brill
creation the first time I saw it. (If Lord Brill is reading, don't get
carried away - I've seen the contents of that box in your cupboard!)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:11:37 -0700 (
Subject: Kimono faux pas

The US Postal Service in recent years had signs hanging in post offices
advertising their global express mail service.  One ad featured an Asian
woman wearing a ten gallon hat and a kimono wrapped right over left.  I
mentioned it to the clerks in two post offices.  One gave me a customer
complaint form which I filled out last April.  I have yet to receive a
response.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Tom Hill <teh2@FLASH.NET>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:55:59 -0500
Subject: Mail volume question
Hey, all. I don't think I'm getting all of the mail that belongs to the
list. I've only gotten three mesages all day today. Is that right? I've
ust changed ISPs, and I think I'm not getting all of my mail. Would
someone write me mail (to me, not the list) and let me know how much
traffic there's been on the list in the last 24 hours?

Thanks, in advance,

Fold in Peace,
Tom
teh2@flash.net





From: Beth Francis <elizmacc@UMD5.UMD.EDU>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:32:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Mail volume question

unfortunately, there have been just three posts!  Beth





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 06:49:09 -0700
Subject: Re: mail volume

Hi everybody,
     Since Tom Hull and Elizabeth Francis brought up the subject, I too am
not getting the amoutnt of mail
I used to get and I was wondering what was happening and if it had anything
to do with changes at MIT or
what.  Are other members having problems sending or getting mail?
Ria Sutter





From: Maureen Evans <kanga@ESCAPE.CA>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:03:10 -0400
Subject: Re: mail volume

John Sutter wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>      Since Tom Hull and Elizabeth Francis brought up the subject, I too am
> not getting the amoutnt of mail....

Hi

Yesterday I received a total of 7 messages  and today I have received one
message.  Slow weekend :(

Maureen Evans
kanga@escape.ca





From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:50:52 -0400
Subject: Re: mail volume

At 06:49 AM 8/30/98 -0700, you wrote:

>     Since Tom Hull and Elizabeth Francis brought up the subject, I too am

er, that's tom hill. i don't think they're the same person. confusing,
isn't it?

peace,
alasdair





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:49:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Mail volume question

Yes, I too have only received seven messages on Saturday.  I guess
everyone is on vacation. I love it when all the crazy drivers go
somewhere else!!!!  Washington D.C is wonderful this time of the year!!!
After the holiday, watch out : - )

Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com

Beth Francis wrote:

> unfortunately, there have been just three posts!  Beth





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:05:04 -0400
Subject: Kimono faux pas

Marcia,

You may hear from the PO yet; I complained about something
(I forget what) and had forgotten all about it when I got
both an email and a phone call about six months later from
someone with Washington DC Post Office (head office, that is)
"customer service"...
:)

valerie





From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:31:17 -0400
Subject: Mail volume

Does anyone sense an irony here? i.e. the majority of the posts this
weekend have been about how few posts there are?

                                        Dennis





From: Terry Hall <terryh@LAMG.COM>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:44:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Unidentified Kasahara book

Hi Robert,

The name of the book ISBN #4-387-92011-4 :1992 is: Origami Recreations in
facial (surface) features. It is part of the viva! origami series 5.
I have not been checking my email very often, maybe once per week, so I do not
know if someone else has provided you with this information. The translation is
based on the work that Peter Messer did on several of the Japanese  authors and
fairly complete listings have been published in the West Coast Origami
Newsletter ( a monthly publication).

Terry Hall





From: Terry Buse <tbuse@VSTA.COM>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:55:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Mail volume

It's like this every weekend.  It will pick up during the weekdays.
See ya
Terry

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 6:35 PM

>Does anyone sense an irony here? i.e. the majority of the posts this
>weekend have been about how few posts there are?
>
>
>                                        Dennis





From: Tom Hill <teh2@FLASH.NET>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:14:59 -0500
Subject: Mail volume and Raptor model

Hello all,

First, I want to thank everyone who responded to my panic about mailing
list traffic. I'm now certain that I'm getting all my mail.

Second, I want to make a public apology to Tom Hull. I have not tried in
any way, shape, or form, to impersonate you. I'm a bit jealous of you,
because I had to take differential equations three times in college to
figure it out. But, I don't want to confuse anyone.

For the record, people: Tom Hull is the creative mathemetician who's got
some really cool mathematical origami on his web site. I (Tom Hill) am
just a beginner origami wanna be. I've followed some of Tom Hull's
instructions and folded some cool models, but I've never created or
diagrammed anything worth showing to anyone else.

Ok, now that that's out of the way, I've got a question. I've just
changed ISPs, and I've lost most of my bookmarks and stuff. So, I can't
point you to the web site, but I've just finished folding a Velociraptor
model by stephen O'Hanlon and I've got a question about step 14. Has
anyone else folded this raptor and had trouble getting the "spread
squash" fold to come out like the diagram shows it?

Again, thanks to all who wrote me about mail volume!

Fold in Peace,
Tom Hill
teh2@flash.net





From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:25:02 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Mail volume question

Washington DC wonderful this time of year? Obviously you don't ride the Metro
into downtown too often to be accosted by hordes of loud(both clothing and
voice) tourists who don't understand that if it's quiet on the train, most of
the people riding it probably like it that way.

I agree the traffic volume is better now, but that will change after Labour
Day.

Merida





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:34:56 +0900
Subject: Re: Raptor model

> Ok, now that that's out of the way, I've got a question. I've just
> changed ISPs, and I've lost most of my bookmarks and stuff. So, I can't
> point you to the web site, but I've just finished folding a Velociraptor
> model by stephen O'Hanlon and I've got a question about step 14. Has
> anyone else folded this raptor and had trouble getting the "spread
> squash" fold to come out like the diagram shows it?

I think the URL of the site is
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4800/

By the way, I folded the model.
I agree that this step is difficult, though I can fold anyway.

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*  We can rather cast blank votes than keep away from polls.  *
*    _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/                                     *
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*  _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/   http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/  *





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:58:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Query about source of these flower models...
At 14:57 98/08/31 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm posting on behalf of Joyce Tan who is looking for the source of a rose
>model. I have two pictures at this URL:
>
>http://www.mit.edu/~cadichia/roses.html
>
>While I guessed the rose was possibly Kawasaki's, I was hoping someone
>could tell more conclusively.

The rose is Kawasaki's "earlier" design from 'Origami for the Connoisseur'
(or 'Top Origami'). The eight-pointed flower looks like the 'dahlia'. I
can't quite make out the other flower design.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: SIDNEY KING <SKING@WILSON-CO.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:03:02 -0400
Subject: Origami Books

Hi Everyone,
        I am looking for a good origami book that is above beginners skills.
If anybody has a recommendation I would be most grateful.
I have look for diagrams at several Webb sites and didn't find much that is
     above beginners fold. Would anybody like to share some diagrams with me?

Thank you,
Sidney King
Sking@wilson-co.com





From: Garry Robertson <Garry_Robertson@LOEWENGROUP.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:15:56 -0700
Subject: Re: photographing origami models

Are there any photography savvy people on this list?
My question is simple. I hope :-)
Is there a camera I can buy that would cost under $300 that would allow
me to take pictures of origami models. Obviously I would want close-ups
which I can later scan.
The simpler the camera the better :-)

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu

Is it possible for you to get your film developed where they offer a
Pictures-on-Disk service?  This way you wouldn't need to get an expensive
digital camera.

In the past I've been getting my film developed by Seattle FilmWorks.
Prints and a diskette with my pictures didn't cost much more than regular
processing.

Garry Robertson

Surrey, B.C.,

Canada





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:28:53 -0700
Subject: Cool Origami beginner kits

Greetings All:

I regret to say this post has nothing to do with math, copyright, nor
Origami etiquette; merely an interesting find in a book/educational supply
store.  Please forgive ;~}

This may be old news to everyone out there in the cyber/paper universe, but
yesterday at a local store called "The Learning Game" I found about 5
different small Origami kits being sold.  Each kit was in a 5-6" square box
with cellophane lid.  Displayed inside was a finished model, which I
thought would be particularly inspiring to a new folder.  I can recall a
giraffe (in spotted paper of course), a pig, a crane (duh!), and a
butterfly.

The butterfly had two antennae which were clearly cut from the paper, but
just as I started to rage postally, my wife calmly pointed out that the
antennae had been cut out separately and pasted onto the head of the model,
which seemed less offensive.  The butterfly was made from paper that was
designed specifically for this exact model, having large oval designs in
just the right places, for example.

All in all, if one were looking for something to get someone else
interested in Origami, these might do the trick.

Anyone else ever seen these?

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:40:31 -0700
Subject: Digital cameras

Quote:
>(snip) If the sole reason for taking the pictures is to scan them, you can
save
>a lot of money on film and developing by buying a digital camera.
[remainder falls to floor]>

Well here's my personal experience with digital cameras.  About 2 months
ago I bought one and tried it out for exactly 2 days before returning.
  1.  The quality of the photographs was poor.
  2.  In the less than 48 hours I owned the camera it guzzled approximately
16 batteries.  Downloading pictures would wipe out brand new batteries by
about the 5-6th picture.
  3.  The camera kit did not come with an AC adapter, so batteries were the
only option.
  4.  No one in town sells the AC adapter or knows where to get one.
  5.  The camera would not do close-ups.

So before you buy check the pixel resolution of the finished photographs,
640x800 was totally unacceptable.  Also check to see if AC power is supplied!

If you want, I can send you samples of the pictures that the camera took so
you can judge for yourself.  Sorry I can't remember the brand - cute little
silver thing from Costco.

BTW, if you find a good one, let us know the brand and where you purchased
it - I for one would give it another try.

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Garry Robertson <Garry_Robertson@LOEWENGROUP.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:42:32 -0700
Subject: Re: photographing origami models

>
> In the past I've been getting my film developed by Seattle FilmWorks.
> Prints and a diskette with my pictures didn't cost much more than regular
> processing.
>
>
Can you take a close-up focused picture of an origami model that ends up
being
anywhere from 2 square inches and under in area?
If so, what kind of camera are you using?
-----------------------------------------------------------

I have an old Olympus OM-1  35mm Camera.  I use a Macro/ 80-200 Zoom lense.

I haven't tried photographing any origami with it, but I will when I get
home tonight.  (I guess all that beer did have an effect on the old brain
cells.)

Unfortunately, I won't know the results of this effort for a week or two.
I have to mail the film away for processing, so I'll have to get back to
you on how it goes.

If anything good comes of this I just may have to post the pictures
somewhere.  If this doesn't work, I'll go back to lurk mode.

Garry Robertson





From: Carmine Di Chiara <cadichia@MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:57:48 -0400
Subject: Query about source of these flower models...

Hello everybody,

I'm posting on behalf of Joyce Tan who is looking for the source of a rose
model. I have two pictures at this URL:

http://www.mit.edu/~cadichia/roses.html

While I guessed the rose was possibly Kawasaki's, I was hoping someone
could tell more conclusively.

Thanks,

Carmine

---------
Carmine Di Chiara
cadichia@mit.edu
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:08:28 -0400
Subject: photographing origami models

Are there any photography savvy people on this list?
My question is simple. I hope :-)
Is there a camera I can buy that would cost under $300 that would allow
me to take pictures of origami models. Obviously I would want close-ups
which I can later scan.
The simpler the camera the better :-)

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Jason Todd <jrtodd@MS.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:10:05 -0400
Subject: Re: photographing origami models -- digital camera

If the sole reason for taking the pictures is to scan them, you can save
a lot of money on film and developing by buying a digital camera.  The
money that you'd spend on developing, you could then apply to buying a
nicer digital camera.  I am sure there are plenty of people on the list
who could give you good advice on inexpensive digital cameras.

-Jason Todd

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 4:08 PM

Are there any photography savvy people on this list?
My question is simple. I hope :-)
Is there a camera I can buy that would cost under $300 that would allow
me to take pictures of origami models. Obviously I would want close-ups
which I can later scan.
The simpler the camera the better :-)

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From: Richard Hunter <rhunter4@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:15:53 -0700
Subject: Makewa's Demon

Thanks to all who supplied information on the Makewa Demon.  I have been
able to fold the various forms from the diagrams in Viva! Origami, but I
am having trouple with the tail!  Niether the shoulders/wings or tail
have instructions.  I figured out the shoulder/wings, but the tail has
me baffled.  I realize that the model with the diaper has no tail, and I
have the necessary flap on the other models, I just need help with how





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:38:12 -0400
Subject: Re: photographing origami models -- digital camera

>
> If the sole reason for taking the pictures is to scan them, you can save
> a lot of money on film and developing by buying a digital camera.  The
> money that you'd spend on developing, you could then apply to buying a
> nicer digital camera.  I am sure there are plenty of people on the list
> who could give you good advice on inexpensive digital cameras.
>
I was thinking of going digital but the prices seemed way high. And the
resolutions seemed lower unless I was willing to spend a fortune. I
also have  no idea if a digital cameral would allow me to take a close up any
better than a non digital camera.

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From: Eric Eros <eros@MOHAWK.ENGR.SGI.COM>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:57:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Makewa's Demon

Richard,

        If you have the dust jacket for Viva! Origami, the back cover shows
you how to do the tail.  Otherwise...

        Pleat the tail.  The pleat is perpendicular to the bisector of the
tail.  In other words, if the demon is standing up, the pleat will be
parallel to the table that the demon is standing on.  Looking at the
tail from the demon's front, the mountain fold of the pleat is closer to
the tip of the tail than is the valley fold of the pleat.  This gives you
something like

\                /
 \              /
  \  *______*  /
   \/_\    /_\/
       \  /
        \/

        Now, the two triangles under the asterisks are going to be
squash-folded
around behind.  And the paper above them is going to be narrowed so that the
upper part of the tail is of almost constant width.  I have tried to type
this below.  The next "picture" is from the back (the opposite view of the
picture above).  I have drawn it with the squash fold done only on the right.
The two parallel lines on the right are not actually parallel.  If you think
of the left-most of the two as going north-south, the right-most of the two
goes a little northeast-southwest.

\          | |
 \         |_|_
  \        \  /
   \__ _____\/
       \    /
        \  /
         \/

Good luck!

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Eric Eros
