




From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:57:16 +0100
Subject: Folded hat summary

I asked for a source for a folded printers hat and got the following
response, for which I thank all.
I alphabetized and summarized the 44 entries from origami-usa. Hope someone
finds this summary helpful.

1               Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br> suggested
Steve & Megumi Biddle's "The New Origami" by St.Martin's Press.

2               "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU> suggested Robert
Harbin's Teach Yourself Origami

3               Maureen Evans <kanga@ESCAPE.CA> directed me to
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~hansb/d.origami/traditional/hat.html where I found a
nice simple hat.

4               Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET> also suggested "The
New Origami by Steve and Megumi Biddle, ISBN 0-312-08037-9." and directed
me to <<<http://www.origami-usa.org/frames1c.htm>>>
Where I found, by using the search feature, the following 44 entries for "hat"

Art of Chinese Paper Folding by Maying Soong page 8, 50, 79
Art of Origami (Randlett) by Samuel Randlett page 130
Best of Origami by Samuel Randlett, (ed) page 167
Colorful Origami by Toyoaki Kawai page 80
Complete Origami by Eric Kenneway page  76, 77, 144
Decorative Napkin Folding for Beginners by N. Epstein, L. Oppenheimer page
27, page 7,  29, ,23
Essential Origami by Steve Biddle page 18
Easy Origami by John Montroll page 17
El Mundo Nuevo by Kunihiko Kasahara page 54
Facinante Papiroflexia by Vicente Palacios page 22
Festive Folding by Paul Jackson page 48, 54
Jewish Origami II by Florence Temko page 4
La Creacion en Papiroflexia by Vicente Palacios page 39, 41
Living Origami by Takuji Sugimura page 62
Models By Members by Origami USA page 28, 42, 63
New Adventures in Origami by Robert Harbin page 30, 113,  147, 172,179
New Origami by Steve Biddle page 62, 65
NY Annual Collection, 1997 by Myer Gotz page 2433
Origami American Style by John Montroll page 6
Origami by Irmgard Kneissler page 25, 27
Origami For Beginners by Florence Temko page 40
Origami: The Art of Paperfolding by Robert Harbin page 41, 145
Origami Omnibus by Kunihiko Kasahara page 294
Origami: Paperfolding For Fun by Eric Kenneway page 67
Origami Made Easy by Kunihiko Kasahara page 45
Origami Magic by Florence Temko page 38
Paper Folding Made Easy by Florence Temko page 12
Paper Magic by Robert Harbin page 28, 32, 81, 83
Paper Pandas and Jumping Frogs by Florence Temko page 52
Papiroflexia Basica by Vicente Palacios page 14, 32, 33, 50, 62, 68
Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin page 48
Usborne Book of Origami by Kate Needham page 6
World Of Origami by Isao Honda page 27, 30, 102
OTHER UNTITLED (???)
1993 by Kirschenbaum page 103
1992 by T. Cheng et al page 237
1992 by T. Cheng et al page 240
1992 by T. Cheng et al page 143
1992 by T. Cheng et al page 145
1992 by T. Cheng et al page 147
1991 by T. Cheng et al page 221
1991 by T. Cheng et al page 190
1989 by T. Cheng et al page 34
1988 by C.A. WILK page 189
#37 by Kathleen O'Regan page 18

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Website: http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:12:44 -0400
Subject: VISIO

Hello everyone,

        I am currently trying to diagram in VISIO and finding it useful. In
doing this I have started to create a Stencil for use in Visio which will
contain many origami line styles, symbols and shapes.

        Am I re-inventing the wheel and if not, would anyone else be
interested enough in it to make it downloadable from my web-site?

                                        Dennis Walker





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:34:09 +0200
Subject: Re: Using VISIO for computer diagramming

        Dear Denis (I know I'm sending this mail to the Origami-l forum)

You said :

>         I am currently trying to diagram in VISIO and finding it useful.

Could you explain to me/us why your choice of VISIO, compared to Freehand /
Illustrator / Corel Draw ?

        From what I know from VISIO, it's not really made to handle complicate
diagrams Origami sometimes require.

        But maybe I'm wrong.

If it is for the price, I know you can easily get old versions of Corel
Draw (around V3 or V4) for a very small amount of money (current version is
V8, I believe)

        I've been diagramming on Corel Draw V5 for a couple of months, and it
gives me (almost) everything I want.

                JJ Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:00:30 -0400
Subject: Do you know where these people are?

Hi all,

OrigamiUSA is trying to locate the folowing people. If you have any contact
information for any of them, please reply to my personal e-mail
(marckrsh@pipeline.com).

        Francis K. McNaul
        George Rhoads
        Catherine Abbott
        Paul Fecskovics

Thank you,
Marc





From: EMADIANE@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 05:45:59 -0400 (
Subject: Religious Origami

Recently mentioned on this list were origami books by Florence Temko on
religious topics, published by Heian International. Even though Sebastian
hadn't posed a formal question about them, I could not resist commenting.

Those books are responsible for returning me "to the fold." (Every bad pun
intended!) I picked up two of them at a conference for Jewish teachers in
1993, thinking I could incorporate origami into an otherwise less-than-
exciting religious school session. It worked marvelously, the kids loved it.
No surprise to those of us on this list!

Other teachers saw what I was doing, wanted to do it too, but were frustrated
trying to follow diagrams. So I started teaching teachers how to do origami,
and how to teach it to their students, and how to tie it into their religious
school curriculum. I just returned from this year's conference where I taught
4 classes, largely based on those books. Nearly 100 teachers came to learn
"Jewish origami."

The books are designed for beginners, with the waterbomb being the one of the
most complicated models included. (Make it in red, add a green leaf on top and
teach about Genesis and the Garden of Eden!))

While I found it rewarding (and still do), Jewish origami is rather limited,
so I branched out into "secular origami" and here I am. :-)

Diane Kleinman





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:24:27 +0100
Subject: Bob Neale's email?

Does anyone have an e-mail contact for Bob Neale? I want to OK using one
of his designs in a book...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:16:40 -0400
Subject: Re: No Trek? Sadly not....

At 08:35 PM 8/17/98 +0100, you wrote:
>I logged on today with a small prayer not to see anything Trek related,
>but those darn tribbles turned up at the end.

Having been on vaction this is somewhat dated... but I second your prayers
with a hearty "Amen, Brother!"

>
>I love the program, but really can't get off on the level of obsession
>surrounding it. The idea that intelligent people spend their time
>learning Klingon rather than a useful second language astounds me.
>

Ditto!

>Must be getting old & sad!

Naw, origami keeps you young (at least young at heart!)

Sarah





From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:51:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Using VISIO for computer diagramming

Hello again,

        My choice of Visio was very simple. I already had it before I
started diagramming and found that I could do all that I wanted!

        I didn't evaluate any others, although I did find Corel a little
clumsy. Maybe that was me!

        The stencil is on my web site now. Suggestions for changes or
additions are most welcome.

        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/d_and_m_walker

                                        Dennis





From: Dennis Brannon <dennis.brannon@DIGITAL.COM>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:02:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Religious Origami
JJ Posted:
>Anything on "Palestinian Origami" ?
>Or what about "Adventist Origami", "Shintoist Origami", "Muslim Origami",
>"Atheist Origami", "Catholic Origami", ...

A while back I made an origami rosary for a gift.  That would fit in the
"Catholic Origami" category.

Dennis Brannon
Littleton, MA USA





From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean_-_J=E9rome_Casalonga?= <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:03:41 +0200
Subject: Re: Religious Origami

> Nearly 100 teachers came to learn "Jewish origami."

Anything on "Palestinian Origami" ?
Or what about "Adventist Origami", "Shintoist Origami", "Muslim Origami",
"Atheist Origami", "Catholic Origami", ...

        JJ
Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aa
who is a atheist, until God prooves I'm wrong !





From: jfirestone <jfirestone@MILEHIGH.NET>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:26:07 -0600
Subject: Re: "jewish origami

jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>said in response to Diane Kleinman's msg
>Subject: Re: Religious Origami
>
>> Nearly 100 teachers came to learn "Jewish origami."
>
>Anything on "Palestinian Origami" ?
>Or what about "Adventist Origami", "Shintoist Origami", "Muslim Origami",
>"Atheist Origami", "Catholic Origami", ...

jerome, for your info, there are 2 book on "jewish origami", which have as
their themes, jewish religious subjects, ie, the torah,shofar, mazzah cover,
joseph's coat of many colors, etc. you want christian origami, many of the
annuals have crosses and the like, as to Muslim origami, its influence can
be seen in the models created by Chris Palmer. The religions of the east can
be seen in the many models of the Buddha created. I found your comment off
key and if it was in jest, disregard this sprouting, if not take it as it
is. I am jewish by the way.

david walker





From: Tim Gilmore <t-gilmore@USA.NET>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:00:09 -0500
Subject: Re: No Trek? Sadly not....
Importance: Normal

> >I love the program, but really can't get off on the level of obsession
> >surrounding it. The idea that intelligent people spend their time
> >learning Klingon rather than a useful second language astounds me.
> >
>
> Ditto!

I am not a Star Trek fan, but in their defense I feel I have to reply.  How
many "useful" languages are you fluent in?  And just in case your answer is
2 or more; why haven't you added another.

How do you know that some of the people who have learned Klingon haven't
already learned other languages.

Who are we to judge others' methods of entertainment and expression.  I love
to fold paper, but I've heard remarks similar to those about the trekkies
directed to people doing origami.

Let he who is without sin throw the first paper crane and those who live in
paper houses shouldn't play with matches.





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:18:59 -0400
Subject: Littleton, MA (USA) Origami Group Meeting Reminder

Hi,

It's summer vacation time, but for those who can make it I've reserved the
Meeting Room downstairs for this Tuesday night (tomorrow) for the Littleton
Origami Group.

Kristine Tomlinson

Here are the details:

When: Tuesday, 25 August 1998, 7:00 - 9:00.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.  This
intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic lights.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A West)
 toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 119
    West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is
    a right hand fork -- this is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other entrance
to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite
Badger Funeral home. The sign says Town Offices.

There's parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:28:37 -0400
Subject: Religious Origami

>>Diane Kleinman wrote:

>>While I found it rewarding (and still do), Jewish origami is rather limited,
>>so I branched out into "secular origami" and here I am. :-)

Have you looked into Jewish papercutting?  There is quite aextensive and
worldwide tradition dating back to the 1700s -- most of it based on a single
fold, but some with multiple folds.  I've got two source books I could post if
you're interested.  One is a museum catalog and no doubt out-of-print, but the
other one I just picked up.

By the way, for three or four years now I've been collecting historic and
modern examples of religious origami and papercuts and frankly have trouble
finding the cutoff between "secular" and religious.  :-}  It's often hard to
keep my two lists separate.  You can use so many models for so many holidays or
to convey religious ideas.

Kristine Tomlinson





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:13:08 -0700
Subject: NO:  Folded Towel Cakes

        This is not origami, but I have been asked to find
instructions for folded towel cakes since they have the magic word
"folded" in them.

       Towel cakes are made of towels folded and decorated to resemble
a wedding cake or some other cake.  The towels themselves are the
gift, folded to make a decorative presentation.

       So far, we have come up with taking a couple of towels and
rolling them into a circle and then decorating them.  A second tier
would be either less towels or a smaller towel, but this does not seem

       Does anyone know how to make these towel cakes?  Is there
another way to make them?   I have never seen one, nor can I find
anyone else who has.  I am hoping that someone on the list would know
about these since they include some folding.

       Carol Martinson

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From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:15:57 -0700 (
Subject: Origami sighting

The Arts and Leisure Section of The New York Times on August 23 had an
ad on pg 5 for the Joyce Theatre.  The letters forming the theatre's
logo, the curtain and the three dancers look like origami.  Bertrand Le
Pautremat is credited w/ the "paper illustration."

Anyone have more information?

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: Gareth Morfill <gmorfill@REDBRICK.COM>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:39:59 -0400
Subject: Stores in the Berkshires

Hi All,
I've got the chance to spend the weekend in the Berkshires, listening to
the wonderful music at Tanglewood (summer home to the Boston Symphony). My
talented wife sings with the Tanglewood Festival Chorus, so it is a fun &
busy weekend for all the family. Especially looking forward to Sundays
Beethoven 9th (a repeat of the opening of the Nagano games)!!
Does anyone know of any book or paper stores I should try and visit while
my wife is rehearsing. I seem to remember that there is a folding group in
Pittsfield. Any info gratefully received!!
Thanks - Gareth





From: Maureen Evans <kanga@ESCAPE.CA>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:41:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Religious Origami

Darren Scott wrote:

>  I'm am suposed to be teaching a religous origami (Christian in
> this case) class in two weeks but my books form Amazon haven't
> arrived yet. If some one knows of a source of religous origami that i
> can get to Australia with in two week it would help me greatly.

Hi Darren:

Try these great pages for some religious origami.  Hope its stuff you can use.

http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/billfolds.htm

http://www.accessin.com.au/~paris/datajs/origami.htm

Maureen Evans
kanga@escape.ca





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 04:49:16 -0400 (
Subject: Re: NO:  Folded Towel Cakes

In a message last night, Carol Martinson wrote:

"This is not origami, but I have been asked to find instructions for folded
towel cakes since they have the magic word "folded" in them."

Why does Carol think that folded towel cakes are not Origami?

We tried to define Origami when we were founding the British Origami Society
in 1967 and came up with a definition which we even presumptious enough to
incorporate into the constitution. This is how it read:

(1)  The Society defines Origami as the folding of paper of any regular shape
to form two-dimensional or three-dimensional models of living creatures,
inanimate objects and abstract forms.

(2)   While the Society holds that Origami in its purest form does not admit
the cutting of paper, the Society does not exclude cuting provided that it is
limited in extent, adds significantly to the value of the model and provded
that the model retains the main characteristics of uncut origami.

(3)   The usual medium of Origami is paper but the Society recognises that the
techniques of folding may be applied to other materials.

(4)   The Society recognises techniques of manipulating and cutting pper other
than Prigami and seeks to foster the interchange of ideas between the pursuit
of origami and other paper techniques.

As the years have gone by, this definition has been felt to be too
restrictive. I remember Roberto Morassi making great fun of it. We now think
of folding on a much broader scale, from the folding of the tiniest flower in
the bud to the enormous folding of mountain ranges.

John Smith's paper on the "Profiles of Origami" has made us look in other ways
about the place of Origami among all the other techniques involving folding,
whether paper or not, and including other pliable materials besides paper and
whether folded or manipulated in other ways..

So we came to think a better definition might be "The Art and Science of
Folding Paper". But when we realised that this excluded cloth, leather and
other pliable flat materials (not forgetting sheet metal!), we thought the
definition might be "The Art and Science of Folding". Even that excludes
cutting and other manipulations if your own particular "Progile of Origami"
seeks to include them.

In the end we decided to leave the original definition of Origami as a
historical document. At least it gives an approximation to what most people
would consider to be classical or mainstream Origami.

So I am confident that Carol's "Folded Towel Cakes" come well within any
reasonable definition of Origami.

Unless, that is, you're a purist, insisting on starting from a single square
of pure white washi paper, with no cutting, glue staples or decoration!

On the other hand, pure white fluffy towels don't seem not so very far from
that.

Yours definitively,

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Darren Scott <Darren.Scott@SCI.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:06:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Religious Origami
Priority: normal

 >>Diane Kleinman wrote:

 >>While I found it rewarding (and still do), Jewish origami is
rather limited,
 >>so I branched out into "secular origami" and here I am. :-)

> Have you looked into Jewish papercutting?  There is quite aextensive and
> worldwide tradition dating back to the 1700s -- most of it based on a single
> fold, but some with multiple folds.  I've got two source books I could post if
> you're interested.  One is a museum catalog and no doubt out-of-print, but the
> other one I just picked up.
>
> By the way, for three or four years now I've been collecting historic and
> modern examples of religious origami and papercuts and frankly have trouble
> finding the cutoff between "secular" and religious.  :-}  It's often hard to
> keep my two lists separate.  You can use so many models for so many holidays
     or
> to convey religious ideas.
>
> Kristine Tomlinson

I'm am suposed to be teaching a religous origami (Christian in
this case) class in two weeks but my books form Amazon haven't
arrived yet. If some one knows of a source of religous origami that i
can get to Australia with in two week it would help me greatly. I
dont want to buy the same books twice, so if there is any models on
the web or others people are willing to post me nomatter how simple
or complex it would really save the day. Any models I use I will
happly to buy the book so not to break copywright  but I need the
models ASAP.

Hope you can help

Darren Scott





From: martin <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:13:30 +0100
Subject: Folded towels and stuff

Regarding Carol Martinson's recent letter/inquiry on folded towel cakes and
David Lister's thoughtful, intellectually generous follow-up.

Lister's seeing Origami in flower buds and mountain ranges is wonderful. I
will keep his letter on file as a good example of thoughtful discourse.

I am a neophyte in Origami -- but have some experience in manufacturing and
engineering.

In an effort to help with terminology and general understanding, I offer
these three simple concepts which cover eight fundmental points, numbered 1
to 8 below. This is the first time that I have tried to summarize this
information in a letter and I am herewith naming this the, "Three-Eight
Manufacturing Theory"

A       Virtually all  manufacturing (manu coming from "hand", but
extending through the use of machines and complex processes) involves (1) a
TOOL or tools and (2) MATERIAL or materials and (3) a human OPERATOR
(artist, craftsperson, laborer, cutter, folder, spinner, weaver, enthusiast
or what-have-you)

B       The tools, guided by the operator, manipulate (using manipulate in
the broadest sense)the material in one of three ways. (4) REMOVE material,
(5) CHANGE THE SHAPE of the material or (6) ADD material (including joining
materials in some way).

C       The tools will be caused, by the operator, in one way or another,
to (7) HOLD the material and (8) PERFORM the manipulation.

I have found that even the most complex maufacturing procedures and
processes can be best understood by keeping these three concepts and eight
points in mind. I am sure there are exceptions to these generalities -- but
they are helpful, and they work most of the time.

Origami, in its most basic form evidently uses paper as the material and
the human hand as the tool, with perhaps a flat work surface being a second
tool.

Obviously, other tools can be added, such as folding bones and scoring (or
more purely, indenting) tools, and measuring tools, and vision aiding tools
without contaminating the basic concepts. In the most basic form, I would
guess that water is the only other material used in basic Origami (the
craftperson's breath) --- and that water might arguably be more logically
called a tool.

I would be happy to correspond with anyone who has a better way (more
simple, more complete, whatever) to understand manufacturing in general and
Origami in particular.

Martin R. Carbone
1227 De La Vina St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574
Fax: 805-965-2414
email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: http://www.modelshops.com <<<and>>> http://www.silcom.com/~mrcinc





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:06:54 +0100
Subject: Re: No Trek? Sadly not....

Tim Gilmore <t-gilmore@USA.NET> sez

>Who are we to judge others' methods of entertainment and expression.

Fair enough, but why not express it (klingon language etc) on a suitable
mailing list rather than this one?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: David Steere <dsteere@SIL.SI.EDU>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:33:20 -0400
Subject: Origami Anteaters

Hi. I searched the ORIGAMI USA model index to see what's available in
     "anteaters."  Two were listed: one from Montroll's ORIGAMI INSIDE-OUT and
     another from an unidentified publication by T. Cheng.  Does anyone know
     which book is being referred to here?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     David T. Steere, Jr./Senior Reference Librarian
     National Museum of Natural History Branch Library
     10th & Constitution Ave., NW
     Washington DC  20560
     phone: 202-357-4696
     fax: 202-357-1896
     email: dsteere@sil.si.edu





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:58:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Anteaters

At 09:33 AM 8/25/98 -0400, David Steere <dsteere@SIL.SI.EDU> wrote:
>Hi. I searched the ORIGAMI USA model index to see what's available in
"anteaters."  Two were listed: one from Montroll's ORIGAMI INSIDE-OUT and
another from an unidentified publication by T. Cheng.  Does anyone know
which book is being referred to here?

This is one of OrigamiUSA's Annual Collections. Tony Cheng was one of the
editors, so his name got listed as the "author." There should be a year by
his name, and that will tell you which book you want (which can be ordered

Marc





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:34:29 -0400
Subject: NO  Star Trek & hobbies

>
> Tim Gilmore <t-gilmore@USA.NET> sez
>
> >Who are we to judge others' methods of entertainment and expression.
>
> Fair enough, but why not express it (klingon language etc) on a suitable
> mailing list rather than this one?
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
> RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!
>
May as well put my 2 cents in as well. I think you may have been the first
one to start this thread, Nick. If I am wrong please accept my apology.
What I wanted to say was that you or anyone else for that matter has a right
express your shock that there are individuals who waste their time at such
worthless hobbies.
I did not consider the original statement as being judgemental. I took it
simply as being an individual's opinion. I happen to enjoy Star Trek and
even borrowed the Klingon dictionary when I saw it at my local library.
There is really no need to feel you have to defend your hobby, or is there?

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:27:39 -0700
Subject: Re: The design problem
At 14:08 98/08/25 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, all - I've just joined this list, so maybe the issues I'm interested in
>have been thoroughly hashed over already, but here goes...

Welcome, Jim!

>Anyway, at this point in my
>life I want to evolve my relationship with origami from being a kind of
>craft hobby to being a creative mode of artistic expression, and fundamental
>to this is the prolific design of new models.

Not necessarily. There are many people who do creative things with other
people's models. (Now if we could just get them all to acknowledge the fact
that the models aren't theirs...) However, the desire to design new models
is certainly a valid way to become creative in origami.

>The kinds of things I've tackled in the past decade (e.g. Robert Lang's
>arthropods) are the sort of folds that I can't imagine designing without
>using an explicit architectural theory - I really doubt his Cicada or Ant,
>for example, could spring from random doodling.

Robert certainly does use an algorithmic approach, but an intuitive
approach would have worked equally well. I will never have Robert's grasp
of mathematics and geometry on a conscious level, but I like to think that
I can intuitively do some of the things he does.

>I have read both Engel's
>and Nolan's writings on creation, and find them both to be too vague, cosmic
>and "touchy-feely" to be of real use (to me, anyway).  Either book would
>have benefitted from showing a design problem worked out from start to
>completion, including blind alleys, integration headaches, and so on.  Oh,
>well, a market opportunity for another writer, I guess.

And both Marc Kirschenbaum and Robert Lang are working on books aimed at
dealing with the nitty gritty of origami design. Both are still in the very
early stages, however.

>In any case, I've come across some stuff that actually looks like exactly
>what I am looking for - a section in the back of a Kawahata book, and some
>articles in Oru - but unfortunately for me, these are in Japanese, which I
>do not read, and am unlikely to learn sufficiently well enough to read in
>any reasonble time frame.  These papers show a design evolving from a
>kinematic skeleton, much as one commences with a model for 3D computer
>animation, all the way down to the fold pattern.  There is math involved,
>but nothing beyond high-school calculus, so it actually looks like an "easy"
>process, either to do by hand, or to code up.  To my way of thinking, this
>is *just what the doctor ordered*.
>
>So here are my questions...
>
>Does anyone know of (or have) translations of any of these papers into
>English?  Are there other, similar papers I should know about, that you can
>point me to?  How can I get them?

No. They are not available in English. Yet. I may be in a position to do
something about that, but not for a little while, at least. There are
similar papers available, most notably Robert's paper(s) on his Treemaker
program, and some of the material from the two Origami Math & Science
conferences.

>Also - I live in the Metropolitan Boston area, so I'd be especially
>interested in getting together with anyone else nearby interested in the
>design problem to form a work group.  It would be really great if there was
>an experienced designer in the area that was willing to share their ideas
>and processes, too.

Boston's a great area to be in for this sort of thing. I'll let the
individuals speak for themselves.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:55:53 -0400
Subject: A new insect?

Robert Lang and the Tanteidan (sp?) have made some wonderful
and complex insects, adding to the already very interesting
(but usually simpler) collection of origami insects previously
available.  It must be difficult to come up with a new insect
to fold which doesn't look like something already folded ---
e.g. without colors one butterfly can look a lot like the
next --- and then how many rhinocerous beetles do we need?
But it occured to me that a great lanthorn fly is a good
basically a fly or moth like creature with a grotesquely
"deformed" head (of course, it is not deformed, it is just
different) which resembles a peanut.  Has anyone tried?
Does anyone want to try?

                        ciao,
                        Mark
--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimie.umontreal.ca           |
|              or  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:57:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Anteaters

        David Steere inquired about origami anteaters--Peter Budai has
designed one!  He is on the list, but let me know if you want to contact
him privately.

        Sonia Wu
        (Florida)





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:06:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Religious Origami

Darren Scott wrote:
>I'm am suposed to be teaching a religous origami (Christian in
>this case) class in two weeks but my books form Amazon haven't
>arrived yet.

Does it really have to be _religious_ origami?

You might fold:
  peace cranes
  doves
  stars
  animals (Noah's ark, the lion & the lamb, whale)
  locusts (or other plagues?!)
  candles
  Easter stars (made from ribbon, strips of paper, or palm fronds)
  the palm frond cross
  a coat of many colors out of sonobe units

to name a few off the top of my head. If you look through the
books you have, I bet you can find others that could be of use
in a church school setting.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:44:41 -0700 (
Subject: Origami Kingston

      Origami Kingston, formerly 'The Franklin Street Folders',meets at
the Kingston Area Library on the second and fourth Satudays of the
month.
      Meetings start at 10:30 am and last about two hours.
      The libary is located at 55 Franklin Street in Kingston NY.
Driving instructions may be gotten by calling 914-331-0507
                 best Mike and Anita

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:08:51 -0400
Subject: The design problem

Hi, all - I've just joined this list, so maybe the issues I'm interested in
have been thoroughly hashed over already, but here goes...

I've been doing origami off & on for the past 30 years or so, and have come
to a point where I mostly work on complex models.  However, I've only
created a couple of folds, both of which were done back when I was a kid,
and neither of which is particularly original (yet another dragon, and a
mother goose - both probably intermediates).  Anyway, at this point in my
life I want to evolve my relationship with origami from being a kind of
craft hobby to being a creative mode of artistic expression, and fundamental
to this is the prolific design of new models.

The kinds of things I've tackled in the past decade (e.g. Robert Lang's
arthropods) are the sort of folds that I can't imagine designing without
using an explicit architectural theory - I really doubt his Cicada or Ant,
for example, could spring from random doodling.  I have read both Engel's
and Nolan's writings on creation, and find them both to be too vague, cosmic
and "touchy-feely" to be of real use (to me, anyway).  Either book would
have benefitted from showing a design problem worked out from start to
completion, including blind alleys, integration headaches, and so on.  Oh,
well, a market opportunity for another writer, I guess.

In any case, I've come across some stuff that actually looks like exactly
what I am looking for - a section in the back of a Kawahata book, and some
articles in Oru - but unfortunately for me, these are in Japanese, which I
do not read, and am unlikely to learn sufficiently well enough to read in
any reasonble time frame.  These papers show a design evolving from a
kinematic skeleton, much as one commences with a model for 3D computer
animation, all the way down to the fold pattern.  There is math involved,
but nothing beyond high-school calculus, so it actually looks like an "easy"
process, either to do by hand, or to code up.  To my way of thinking, this
is *just what the doctor ordered*.

So here are my questions...

Does anyone know of (or have) translations of any of these papers into
English?  Are there other, similar papers I should know about, that you can
point me to?  How can I get them?

Also - I live in the Metropolitan Boston area, so I'd be especially
interested in getting together with anyone else nearby interested in the
design problem to form a work group.  It would be really great if there was
an experienced designer in the area that was willing to share their ideas
and processes, too.

-- Jim Puccio





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:45:06 -0400
Subject: Re: The design problem

At 02:08 PM 8/25/98 -0400, Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>  wrote:
>
>The kinds of things I've tackled in the past decade (e.g. Robert Lang's
>arthropods) are the sort of folds that I can't imagine designing without
>using an explicit architectural theory - I really doubt his Cicada or Ant,
>for example, could spring from random doodling.  I have read both Engel's
>and Nolan's writings on creation, and find them both to be too vague, cosmic
>and "touchy-feely" to be of real use (to me, anyway).  Either book would
>have benefitted from showing a design problem worked out from start to
>completion, including blind alleys, integration headaches, and so on.  Oh,
>well, a market opportunity for another writer, I guess.

Robert Lang has written on the "design problem" and has already created a
program to carry out his algorithm. The program, known as "Treemaker" is
available from ftp.rug.nl/origami, and contains documentation that explains
how it all works.

>Also - I live in the Metropolitan Boston area, so I'd be especially
>interested in getting together with anyone else nearby interested in the
>design problem to form a work group.  It would be really great if there was
>an experienced designer in the area that was willing to share their ideas
>and processes, too.

I am not in your area, but if you let this list know what you want to
design, I am sure some of us would be able to give you input on how to go
about it.

Marc





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:02:55 -0400
Subject: Re: The design problem

Hey Jim,

As Joseph and Mark have already mentioned, Robert Lang has written
extensively about his Treemaker program, which used very similar
(but not exactly the same) approach to origami design as all
Kawahata and Maekawa write about in those ORU articles.

Fortunately for us, Robert writes in English.  The manual for
his most recent version of Treemaker (his design program)
is available on the web at:
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/index.htm
Go to the "Programs on Origami/TreeMaker" directory.  The
manual is in a big, honkin' pdf file.

*Everyone* who is interested in learning about Lang's method
of origami design should download and read this manual.
Yes, most of it is about the TreeMaker program itself,
how to get it, how to run it, etc.  But there are
extensive sections on the mathematics of the algorithm
and how it works.  Good bedside reading!

Also, Fumiaki Kawahata has written an article *in Engligh*
about his method of origami design, and it's totally
interesting to compare Kawahata's approach and Lang's
approach.  Kawahata's article appears in
"Origami Science and Art: the Proceedings of the 2nd
International Meeting of Origami Science and Scientific
Origami, Otsu, Japan, 1994" (K. Miura ed.)  This can
be purchased directly from Toshikazu Kawasaki (see the
Origami Tantiedan web page) or from OrigamiUSA (I *think* -
they should be getting copies and offering them for sale
soon, if they haven't already.)

Also, I live in the Boston area too (Somerville, actually).
So perhaps the best thing for you to do would be to visit
me sometime and pick my brain.

------ Tom "mad about math" Hull
       thull@merrimack.edu





From: William Higginson <higginsw@EDUC.QUEENSU.CA>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:08:12 -0400
Subject: Origami Sighting (of sorts - well, of chairs)

I thought that the following might be of some interest to the list:

The Toronto Globe and Mail ran an article by Adele Weder of Vancouver in
their 'Fashion and Design' section in the August 13th edition (pages C8,C7)
entitled, "Chairs from Beyond the Fold". It's a brief report on the "Re
Pose" competition which challenged designers to come up with new versions
of folding chairs. Part way through the article (which has pictures of
three of the entries) we find: "For instance, the chair designed by
architect Scott Kemp and Clint Cuddington folds flat into a scored
rectangle of door proportions, but unfolds into an object as complex and
graceful as a musical instrument. Kemp found inspiration in origami, the
Japanese art of folding paper into three-dimensional marvels."

The winners of the competition will be on display at the Charles H. Scott
Gallery in Vancouver until September 6th.

William Higginson, MSTE Group,
Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 3N6





From: William Higginson <higginsw@EDUC.QUEENSU.CA>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:14:03 -0400
Subject: Information about Patricia Crawford

I'd be interested in finding out something about the designer Patricia
Crawford - her  very impressive models appear in a number of the classic
texts [as, for example, in the newly reprinted (love those folks at Dover -
unparalleled quality for the price - now if we can just get them in touch
with Japan Publications - O. for the Conn - O. Omnibus etc.) "Origami
Step-by-Step" by Robert Harbin], but I have seen no recent work. Can
someone on the list help.  Many thanks,

Bill

Dr. William Higginson, Coordinator
Mathematics, Science and Technology Education Group,
A235 McArthur Hall, Faculty of Education, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 3N6
613-545-6000 *7403  (voice mail),  613-545-6584 (fax)
Secretary:Bonnie Knox, A233 McArthur Hall, 613-545-6221; knoxb@educ.queensu.ca





From: Chrome Digital <chromedigi@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:36:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Information about Patricia Crawford

>I'd be interested in finding out something about the designer Patricia
>Crawford - her  very impressive models appear in a number of the classic
>texts

I also really like her work.  It was the first reasonably complex folding I
ever came across, so I have a real soft spot for it.  Although I've had
Harbin's book since 1974, I've not seen her stuff anywhere else.  What other
books have her folds?

-- Jim Puccio





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:34:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Information about Patricia Crawford

At 03:14 PM 8/25/98 -0400, William Higginson <higginsw@EDUC.QUEENSU.CA> wrote:
>I'd be interested in finding out something about the designer Patricia
>Crawford - her  very impressive models appear in a number of the classic
>texts [as, for example, in the newly reprinted (love those folks at Dover -
>unparalleled quality for the price - now if we can just get them in touch
>with Japan Publications - O. for the Conn - O. Omnibus etc.) "Origami
>Step-by-Step" by Robert Harbin], but I have seen no recent work. Can
>someone on the list help.

The story goes that Patricias husband wanted her to stop participating in
origami, and I understand she has moved onto different artistic persuits
thoughout the years (probably also quelled by her husband). There was a
cover story on her many years ago in "The Origamian." You might be able to
get your hands on an issue durring the "Gold Mine" sales at the yearly
OrigamiUSA conventions. Jay Nolan's book "Creating Origami" feeatures a lot
of her work. Jay told me he got permission from Patricia over the phone,
with her whispering so her husband would not hear! Scary stuff.

Marc





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:05:12 -0400
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 24 Aug 1998 to 25 Aug 1998

------------------------------------------------
"Origami Science and Art: the Proceedings of the 2nd
International Meeting of Origami Science and Scientific
Origami, Otsu, Japan, 1994" (K. Miura ed.)  This can
be purchased directly from Toshikazu Kawasaki (see the
Origami Tantiedan web page) or from OrigamiUSA (I *think* -
they should be getting copies and offering them for sale
soon, if they haven't already.)
-- ---------------------------------------------
In May, I think, Marc Kirschenbaum, in a message to Origami-l,
said that copies of this Proceedings would be available for sale
at the New York convention.  Alas, I was unable to attend this
year, but I was wondering (hoping) if perhaps they would be
available at Charlotte in September. I tried Sasuga, but they
don't seem to be able to get them, and I haven't seen them show
up at the OUSA Source web site yet. This seems like it would be a
valuable addition to an origami library.

...with fingers crossed,

Terry Rioux

Terrence M. Rioux                    |   Phone: (508) 289-2239
Diving Safety Officer, MS# 28        |   FAX:   (508) 457-2195
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution |   Foot:  Iselin 151
Woods Hole, MA 02543                 |   Email: trioux@whoi.edu





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:15:56 -0400 (
Subject: Re: No Trek? Sadly not....

In a message dated 98-08-24 16:08:19 EDT, you write:

> Let he who is without sin throw the first paper crane and those who live in
>  paper houses shouldn't play with matches.
>
Umm... shouldn't that be
    let he who is without sin fold the first crease
and
    those who live in paper houses shouldn't flame
?

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com    (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:16:04 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Religious Origami

In a message dated 98-08-24 18:19:18 EDT, you write:

> Any models I use I will
>  happly to buy the book so not to break copywright  but I need the
>  models ASAP.

May I suggest you post your snail-mail address,
it might help?

Also what folds have you found so far, and
were you actually going to teach the folding?

Do you have a local library that can do inter-library loan?

Do you have access to the 1990 Annual Collection
from the Friends of the Origami Center of America
(since renamed to OrigamiUSA) ?

It has:
    Christmas Candles Page Marker by Jim Bradford
    on pp 272-273.

Do you have access to "The Flapping Bird" by Samuel Randlett?

It has:
Angel by Neal Elias on pp. 8-9,
Sixfold Ornament  and Salt Cubstitute,
    both by Robert Neale on pages 10-11,
Christmas Card (ornament) by Samuel Randlett on page 12,
two-piece Crucifix by Neal Elias on pp. 32-35,
Standing Cross by Neal Elias on page 36,
Michelangelo's Pieta by Neal Elias onpp. 58-59,
Sister of Charity by Harry Weiss on pp. 60-61
    (a nun, from a 3x5 rectangle),
Figure of Christ by Eric Kenneway on pp. 94-95,
Stag by Fredric G. Rohm (antlers are cut) on pp. 88-89,
Lamb (from 2x1) by George Rhoads  on pp. 142-143,
Camel (from 4x9) by George Rhoads on pp. 20-21.

Do you have access to "Secrets of Origami" by Robert Harbin?
It has:
    The Creche by Ligia Montoya on pp. 130-143
        (includes The Virgin Mary, Kneeling Angel, Woman,
        Old Woman with Staff, The Crib, Shepherd with Crook,
        Sheep, The Infant Jesus, and Goose),
    Vera Cruz by Fred Rohm on pp. 220-221
        (a nun bowing to a cross, from 3x1),
    Santa Claus by Fred Rohm on pp. 222-223
        (Santa w/bag on shoulder and toy elephant peeking out).

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com    (Kenneth Kawamura)





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:16:07 -0400 (
Subject: Re: NO:  Folded Towel Cakes

In a message dated 98-08-24 21:41:21 EDT, you write:

>  Towel cakes are made of towels folded and decorated to resemble
>  a wedding cake or some other cake.  The towels themselves are the
>  gift, folded to make a decorative presentation.

News to me. I would have guessed folding the towels into rectangles
and stacking them like a three-layered cake, then adding decorations,
and maybe ribbons, pinned to the towels; but what do I know?

Hope someone else has an answer for you.

Have you tried posting the question to the newsgroup
    rec.crafts.misc
? It sounds like it would be right up their alley.

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com    (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Peter Mielke <peter@DOE.UTORONTO.CA>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:17:44 -0400
Subject: Re: The design problem
Gnu-Emacs: or perhaps you'd prefer Russian Roulette, after all?

> [...] Either book would have benefitted from showing a design problem
> worked out from start to completion, including blind alleys, integration
> headaches, and so on.

This a variation on the topic of design. In the last two years the term
"patterns" has been the big buzzword in the object oriented
programming/design community. These patterns stem from Christopher
Alexanders book _A Timeless Way of Building_ and talks about a concept of
"quality without a name" in the way buildings are built. The patterns he
has captured in his book _A Pattern Language_ contain "patterns" that are
used in constructing a towns and buildings. One of the basic aspects is
that they are constructive patterns which lead to well designed buildings
that have this "quality without a name".

I was wondering if such patterns could be put down for origami in the
design of models?

One pattern might be "use all parts of the square" (a model that completely
uses up a square feels better than one that has a section that is extra
thick). In thinking over this, it looks more like this is a principle than
a pattern.

For more information on Christopher Alexander see
http://public.logica.com/~stepneys/bib/nf/alexandr.htm





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:22:24 +0200
Subject: Re: Three-Eight Manufacturing Theory

 Martin R. Carbone wroote about the  "Three-Eight Manufacturing Theory"

        Nice description.

It made me thought of the art of hand shadows, where with simply a light
and your hands, the shadows of your hands turn into animals, persons, ...

I don't know if this art have an "official" name.

I always thought that Origami is "more pure" than other forms of Art, like
Painting, or Scuplture, as there is no tools between the material and the
hands, and that the integrity of the material is kept from start to finish.

And the Hand Shadows is even "purest", as the hands ARE the material.  And
as a consequence, it needs less material  (just like in Music, I would say
that singing is "purest" than playing with an instrument)

NOTE : I'm not saying that "purest" is better.  I'm just giving my brain
free expression (which sometimes give devastating results)

And hand shadows is an ephemeral art, which (to my opinion) gives it a
greater value.

        JJ
Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,

who is quite and calm, since he took his red and blue pills.  But beware,
their effect don't last long.





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:13:46 -0400
Subject: obscure Kenneway(?) book

Now that Harbin's Step-By-Step has been brought back from the great beyond,
here's another long-buried treasure I'd like to dig up!  Any clues about
this next book would be much appreciated....

I found this book in a library in Quebec in 1981:  my aunt lived there at
the time and was running a quick errand...I had only a few minutes to
photocopy some of the models, including Dave Brill's famous bottle.  Of
course now I could kick myself for not getting the whole thing!  I have
never seen the book before or since.

Here are the models:

book by Martin Wall
candle by Yoshihide Momotani
book of matches by Laurie Bisman
matchbox by Max Hulme
bottle by Dave Brill
yacht by Dave Brill
rose by Toshie Takahama
swan by John French
box with lid by Dave Brill
jewel by Toshie Takahama
chimpanzee by John Richardson
hedgehog by John Richardson
fly by Max Hulme
spider by Max Hulme

Hulme's models are masterpieces, featuring a notorious triple sink and
color-change wings for the fly.  They were pictured on the cover of BOS
141, April '90 (with no diagrams, alas!)

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:48:07 -0400 (
Subject: folding a paper into n equal parts (again)

I know this has been  bandied about before, but could someone describe again
the method  for dividing a piece of paper into n equal parts.  I am going to
show someone how to do the (Jackson?) $ rosette at our next local meeting.
The book I have shows the division into 8ths--rather easy.  My rosette is
divided into 11ths.  Someone taught me this neat method of doing that, but I
forgot it.  Help would be appreciated.

Andrew Hans





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:55:04 +0000
Subject: Re: NO:  Folded Towel Cakes
Priority: normal

I saw a version of this "cake" at a towel store. The towels were folded first
(probably into thirds) and then rolled into a cake-like shape. The one I saw
had three tiers and was very attractive.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:50:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Information about Patricia Crawford

William Higginson <higginsw@EDUC.QUEENSU.CA> wrote:
>>I'd be interested in finding out something about the designer Patricia
>>Crawford - her  very impressive models appear in a number of the classic
>>texts... but I have seen no recent work. Can someone on the list help.

Hi, Bill.  Sorry to tell you that there is no recent work!  Be grateful of
what you have--her work took a LONG time to be brought back to the general
public.

Marc replies:

>The story goes that Patricias husband wanted her to stop participating in
>origami, and I understand she has moved onto different artistic persuits
>thoughout the years (probably also quelled by her husband). There was a
>cover story on her many years ago in "The Origamian." You might be able to
>get your hands on an issue durring the "Gold Mine" sales at the yearly
>OrigamiUSA conventions.

Now that WOULD be a gold mine find.  I do not own it, but I know that it is
Vol. 12 of the Origamian from 1972, *possibly* available on loan from
either the BOS library or OrigamiUSA.  (It was at one time).  Also in Vol.
12 are the drawings from scorpion, tetrahedron, stalking cat, stellate
octahedron.

>Jay Nolan's book "Creating Origami" feeatures a lot
>of her work. Jay told me he got permission from Patricia over the phone,
>with her whispering so her husband would not hear! Scary stuff.

Say it isn't so, Marc!  Major bummer.   :(

When I was a boy, I had the rare chance to sit down to tea with the grand
dame of origami, Lillian Oppenheimer, and talk about some of the great
folders of our time.  She told me that she felt that Patricia was a
perfectionist, never completely satisfied with the artistic quality of her
work.  And of course she hated being told that her works were brilliant.

She was a mathematician and a scientist, a woman with an extraordinary
mind, who was self-taught in many areas.  I often wonder what would have
happened if she had carried her work through into the computer age, the way
Robert Lang has done.  Unfortunately her most recent work is now at least
20 years old.

The "Step-By-Step" and "Creating Origami" do feature her most important
work.  If you can lay your hands on "Origami 4" by Robert Harbin, you will
find her baby grand piano, which is an eye-catching and unique 3-D model,
made out of a blintzed bird base.

Back in '87, Marc Overmars from Holland and his Merry Men of Origami
(Casalonga, Petty, Lang, Robinson, Ow, Weiss, Casey) included a couple of
her previously unpublished works in their series of booklets "The Origami
Collection."  Obviously someone did some serious jumping through hoops to
track these down!  I have deer with antlers in #7 and nesting bird on log
with leaf (not the same as birds in a nest) in #8.  I have no idea if this
series can still be obtained anywhere.

One model of hers that I would dearly love to find someday (and have never
seen) is boy on a toboggan.  There are also models...somewhere in the
origami universe...of bunny, goldfish, optical illusion trick, cub with
bottle, a variation of Fred Rohm's pot of flowers, and washer woman (an
action model).

This is all her work that I know of.  Somebody dig these up!!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:11:27 -0400 (
Subject: Re: A new insect?

Mark Casida threw down the gauntlet, er, I mean, wrote:

> It must be difficult to come up with a new insect
>
to fold which doesn't look like something already folded...

Oooh, quite the contrary. There is a fantastic variety of insect shapes out
there even without getting outlandish. Even if you restrict yourself to the
most generic shape possible, say, a beetle with six legs and antennae (no
horns, no mandibles, no flying wings, no spots), there is an enormous
variation in the possible appearance.

The thing is, a lot of origami insects look pretty much alike (and I include
most of my own in this generalization), because it's not yet been possible to
visually differentiate origami insects nearly as well as real insects are
differentiated. But I just take that as evidence that, for all our prowess at
coming up with oodles of flaps in the right places, all us entomoloplicarists
["those who fold insects"] are still pretty primitive at the artistic side of
the art. But we're working on it!

But putting the horns and protruberances in there is great fun, and, the
"great lanthorn fly" sounds like a good subject for some future design
escapade.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





From: thereza whitaker <therezawhitaker@UOL.COM.BR>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:20:10 -0300
Subject: diagrams

hello to all. I'm a newby and have been reading your interesting letter.
Could anyone teach me where to find those origami diagrams? Up tp now
I've seen nothing but letters and written information. thank you.
thereza
