




From: Michael Belehradek <mbelehradek@CNC.SK>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:55:26 +0200
Subject: Re: New Books

>There were also some extremely cheap Montroll books (Please notice that the
>prices are in Deutsche Mark!):
>
>   ___   Montroll, J: Easy Origami
>   DM 6,30; Dover Pubns; PAP; 11.1992
>   ___   Montroll, J: Favorite Animals in Origami
>   DM 5,30; Dover Pubns; PAP; 07.1996
>   ___   Montroll, J: Fun With Bird Origami
>   DM 8,90; Dover Pubns; PAP; 09.1995
>   ___   Montroll, J: Fun With Easy Origami
>   DM 8,90; Dover Pubns; PAP; 04.1993
>
The cheapest origami books (Montroll, Lang, ...) I saw on Internet are
on www.shopping.com. Worse is, that I saw it after I have ordered books
experiences with order from amazon? It was 9 weeks ago and nothing :-((


     happy folding

     Mike





From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:37:55 +0000 (
Subject: Re: New Books

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:53:18 +0200, Sebastian Marius Kirsch
<skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE> wrote:

>There were also some extremely cheap Montroll books (Please notice that the
>prices are in Deutsche Mark!):
>
>   ___   Montroll, J: Easy Origami
>   DM 6,30; Dover Pubns; PAP; 11.1992
>   ___   Montroll, J: Favorite Animals in Origami
>   DM 5,30; Dover Pubns; PAP; 07.1996
>   ___   Montroll, J: Fun With Bird Origami
>   DM 8,90; Dover Pubns; PAP; 09.1995
>   ___   Montroll, J: Fun With Easy Origami
>   DM 8,90; Dover Pubns; PAP; 04.1993

These are all very thin books with a few models each, culled from his
other books. I got the Easy Origami one only so I'd have a book to use
with teaching beginners. If you don't need it for that, you' don't
need it.
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: Dale/ Amy Liikala <lmtn@NCWEB.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:27:40 +0000
Subject: Have Your Tickets Ready!

Hello One and All,
        I was wondering if anyone knows of any modular units that could be
folded from old tickets (i.e. theater, sporting events, etc.).  Having
become very active with a local summer stock theater group and having
attended lots of sporting events lately, I have acquired an abundance of
ticket stubs (and full unused tickets leftover from the theater earlier
in the season).
        This appears to be a previously untapped source of origami material
that has some distinct possibilities!  I look forward to any ideas you
would have to offer.  Thanks very much.
        Amy Liikala
        lmtn@ncweb.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:42:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Klingon Weapon models (was Re: Lord Vader)

At 10:36 AM 98/08/14 -0400, you wrote:
>"levek"  is the older word for the traditional Klingon dagger.  There is a
>new word for it now, something more gutteral and unspellable, and my
>dictionary is not handy, (IOW, I'm feeling too lazy to look it up!)
>Anyway, it's the dagger that has two smaller blades sticking out on either
>side of the main blade, and a bunch of spikes on the end of the grip.  In
>fact, from what you have said above, I think it possible that you have been
>trying to fold a levek rather than a bat' telh--the latter is a sword
>shaped like an archer's bow, but used in much the same fashion as a staff.
>If you do get designs made for these weapons, I know a ready market for
>them.........

Ah. So the levek is what is now called the d'k tagh (I *think* I spelled
that correctly). No, I've definitely been doing a bat'telh. Do you have the
correct spelling for that? It's pronounced much more like bat'leth than
bat'telh...

At 10:39 AM 98/08/14 -0400, you wrote:
>>I forgot to add that these were attempts at folding it from a square. It's
>>fairly trivial to design a bat'telh from a long strip.
>
>trivial, huh??  MMmmmm..............  *-)

Just trying to see if anyone was paying attention. And, yes, I folded a
bat'telh last night from a 24 by 1 rectangle. I'll try to put a scan up soon.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:59:46 -0400
Subject: Re: New Book Recommendations?
Rachel Katz wrote:
> Michael La Fosse's GORGEOUS book "PaperArt" has been showing up at libraries
> and bookstores. It isn't exclusively origami and there are very few
> instructions for models but the book is a must see! There are wonderful
> pictures of works by Michael, Chris Palmer, Herman Van Goubergen, Robert Lang,
> Tomoko Fuse, Paul Jackson and Eric Joisel.

I'm sure the "on-line three" (OUSA, Fascinating Folds, Kim's Crane) have it as
well.  I have seen it in local Borders bookstores.  The only local Barnes and
Noble I visit has drasticly scaled back their origami section, and didn't have
Michael's book last I looked.

It truly is a gorgeous book.  The annoying thing is that there are also a few
other new paper art books out, in the same vein, but Michael's is far and away
the most stunning.

A few years ago I would have looked at the work in it and gotten depressed (It
is way beyound my abilities), but now, even though it is still about as far
beyound my abilities, I find it inspiring to see what others have been able to
reach.

For anyone just interested in getting diagrams, Rachel is right, there aren't
many.  If you are looking for a great coffee table book that would "debunk" the
"oh, that's just a kids thang" attitude towards origami and paper arts, this
would fit bill perfectly.  As it would if you like to be inspired.

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: New Books

Magdalena Cano Plewinska wrote:

> These are all very thin books with a few models each, culled from his
> other books. I got the Easy Origami one only so I'd have a book to use
> with teaching beginners. If you don't need it for that, you' don't
> need it.

"Easy Origami" seems to be mostly traditional models (I don't have it in front
of me, so I'm going from memory).  However, "Birds in Origami" has models that
I haven't found in any other of Montroll's book.  In particular, his
hummingbird from that book (I just did a model index search at the OUSA website
(http://www.origami-usa.org) to verify my memory).  As I recall there were a
few other of his birds in "Birds in Origami" which are not in his other books
either.  Maybe even all of them, but I can't say for sure.

-Doug





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:08:39 +0200
Subject: Re: New Books
On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Michael Belehradek wrote:
> on www.shopping.com. Worse is, that I saw it after I have ordered books
> from www.amazon.com. :-((( They still didn't  come. Do you have any
> experiences with order from amazon? It was 9 weeks ago and nothing :-((

I have ordered a few books from their German branch, and they always took
ages to come; the 2--4 weeks they claim on their web site are a myth.  I
don't know whether this is normal, or is due to some re-structuring they
are doing at the moment. (They started as a German bookshop and were
bought out by amazon.com a few months ago.)

But their prices are completely unbeatable, so I will have to wait as long
as it takes.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@CONCENTRA.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:10:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Have Your Tickets Ready!
Amy asks:

           I was wondering if anyone knows of any modular units that could be
   folded from old tickets (i.e. theater, sporting events, etc.).  Having
   become very active with a local summer stock theater group and having
   attended lots of sporting events lately, I have acquired an abundance of
   ticket stubs (and full unused tickets leftover from the theater earlier
   in the season).
           This appears to be a previously untapped source of origami material
   that has some distinct possibilities!  I look forward to any ideas you
   would have to offer.  Thanks very much.

I imagine that some business card models could be adapted to use
ticket stubs.  Can you tell us the dimension of the material you have
collected?

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:36:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Klingon Weapon models (was Re: Lord Vader)

At 02:48 PM 98-08-13 -0700, you wrote:
>At 03:23 PM 98/08/13 -0400, you wrote:
>>Thanks, and my greetings to your warrior companion.  Does he know about
>>KAG?   I don't care for the weaponry, unless somebody knows how to fold
>>leveks and bathelths from paper--the levek should be easy, actually, in
>>fact I like the sound of it--anyone out there looking for a challenge? I'd
>>be happy to test it  :-)
>
>I've made a few attempts at a bat'telh. Not too bad, but I've not yet found
>away to do the triple handle (just one handle so far). What's a levek?

"levek"  is the older word for the traditional Klingon dagger.  There is a
new word for it now, something more gutteral and unspellable, and my
dictionary is not handy, (IOW, I'm feeling too lazy to look it up!)
Anyway, it's the dagger that has two smaller blades sticking out on either
side of the main blade, and a bunch of spikes on the end of the grip.  In
fact, from what you have said above, I think it possible that you have been
trying to fold a levek rather than a bat' telh--the latter is a sword
shaped like an archer's bow, but used in much the same fashion as a staff.
If you do get designs made for these weapons, I know a ready market for
them.........
                        Starting with.........
                                                Cathy

******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:39:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Klingon Weapon models (was Re: Lord Vader)

At 03:58 PM 98-08-13 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I forgot to add that these were attempts at folding it from a square. It's
>fairly trivial to design a bat'telh from a long strip.
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu,

trivial, huh??  MMmmmm..............  *-)

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:41:17 -0400 (
Subject: Re: New Books

Folders,
   I am constantly ordering origami books from Amazon.com and have never had
to wait longer than 3 days for my order to get to my door! I hope nothing has
happened to your order.
                                            -Ian





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:52:08 +0100
Subject: LaFosse's Paper Arts

Another valuable component of  Michael LaFosse's "Paper Arts:" is its
illustration of paper decorating techniques. I have found good use for a
method that involves crumpling dampened washi and daubing it with
metallic acrylic paint

There is also a chapter on paper dying techniques used by Joe Zina, who
creates collages. Many of his methods would work for paper to be used for
folding. I particularly enjoyed one photograph in which his tools are
found objects from the recycled material store at the Boston Children's
Museum. We go there every year or two to stock up on things for school
projects, crafts, and tricky home repair jobs. For $6, you get a grocery
bag that you can fill with various types of foam (some with stencil-like
cutouts), plastic disks, mylar sheets, holographic paper, etc. Almost
worth a flight? But do go there if you are in Boston; you don't need to
pay museum admission to go to the store.

-Jane





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:55:20 -0400
Subject: NOR: amazon.com

Mike wrote:
 It was 9 weeks ago and nothing :-((

Never had that long a delay from amazon without
an email explaining the problem. You should be able
to check your order past history and current order
gotten an email almost instantly confirming your
order, and a 2nd email notifying that the order was
shipped. Up to that point you can cancel an order;
never had a problem with that either.

valerie





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:00:04 -0400
Subject: Have Your Tickets Ready!

Amy, what you can to with tickets and other heavy
paper rectangluar "found objects" depends on the
proportions of the rectangles. If its something
"regular" like 1:sqroot 2, or 1:2 or 4:7 (biz cards)
there are lots of modular things you can do. If they're
fairly long in ratio to width, you can make some kinds
of modular strut-type units of them. Or if the paper
isn't terribly stiff compared to the size of the rectangle,
my chewing gum wrapper Sonobe type units might work.

valerie





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:06:19 +0100
Subject: Re: NOR: amazon.com

From what I've been reading here, Amazon seems to be much slower in
Europe than in the US. With the single exception below, I have always
My word of caution is that If your order contains a book that is not yet
published, Amazon will hold the whole order until the book is available.
I assumed they would wait until all the published books were ready to
ship and then mail them, and that they would send the unpublished book
when it was released, but I was wrong. It makes sense to order
unpublished books separately, or to choose the "send as available" option.

-Jane





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:22:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Book shopping site (was new books)

When price shopping/searching for books on the internet I highly recommend:

http://www.acses.com

Lets you search 25 online, international bookstores in one go. Results are
listed in order of price INCLUDING shipping options. Plus the results table
provides estimated shipping time.

And what is really great, ACSES also lets you specify your location and
favored currency so the result table is accurate for overseas shipping.
Mind you, the opportunity to set this occurs in a subpage AFTER you have
initiated a search.

Truly a useful site,

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com

>>
>The cheapest origami books (Montroll, Lang, ...) I saw on Internet are
>on www.shopping.com. Worse is, that I saw it after I have ordered books
>from www.amazon.com. :-((( They still didn't  come. Do you have any
>experiences with order from amazon? It was 9 weeks ago and nothing :-((





From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:58:47 -0400
Subject: Re: New Books

I have had the same experience as Ian -- always got the books within a
few days.  I think you can check where your order is by looking at their
web site (if you ordered it over the internet).

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Ian McRobbie wrote:

> Folders,
>    I am constantly ordering origami books from Amazon.com and have never had
> to wait longer than 3 days for my order to get to my door! I hope nothing has
> happened to your order.
>                                             -Ian





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:53:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Klingon Weapon models (was Re: Lord Vader)

At 09:42 AM 98-08-14 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Ah. So the levek is what is now called the d'k tagh (I *think* I spelled
>that correctly). No, I've definitely been doing a bat'telh. Do you have the
>correct spelling for that? It's pronounced much more like bat'leth than
>bat'telh...

I cannot find the proper name of the levek in my dictionary, I'll ask our
local Klingon speaker.  As for the Honour Sword, it is usually spelled:
bat'leth

And, yes, I folded a
>bat'telh last night from a 24 by 1 rectangle. I'll try to put a scan up soon.

GREAT!   I'm lookig forward to it.

                Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:37:06 +0200
Subject: SV:      New Books

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:53:18 +0200, Sebastian Marius Kirsch
<skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE> wrote:

>? Who made the diagrams for the Cerceda book?
>(I believe that Cerceda drew few to none diagrams himself -- I certainly
have
>never seen one.)

There is a book of Vicente Palacios called "Fascinante Papiroflexia" . The
book has more than 100 models created by Adolfo Cerceda and diagrammed by
Vicente Palacios. I belive that the book you found at amazon.de is just an
english translation of the spanish version I'm talking about. It's a very
nice book with great models and a lot of origami history.

Regards

Dino

Home page: http://hem.passagen.se/dion/index2.html





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:46:58 -0500
Subject: Stands

Has anyone designed stands for models? I have seen one in Step By Step for
Patricia Crawford's ship, and Maarten van Gelder's stand is very nice, but
have not see other stands. I remember that earlier there was discussion of
katanas and other swords, has anyone made a stand for either a standing
katana or a horizontal stand for daisho? Or a stand  or a base to hold up
other models for display? I remember that some people glue models to a
base, such as an old CD, but I like for my origami to be an art that you
can touch and handle, albeit gently. Any ideas?

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:13:44 -0500
Subject: More Stands

Since we are discussing Klingon weapons, what are the traditional stands
for them, and has anyone thought about designing the stands? Would make a
beautiful display model sitting on your desk at work! Make 'em *really*
wonder! Or at least sitting with any other Trek or other SF models (origami
or not). And anything to hold up Marc Kirschenbaum's Enterprise?

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: Chris T Durham <gandalf_15@JUNO.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:16:00 -0400
Subject: Klingon Weapon models

If anyone can diagram these models, I would love to fold them.

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From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:31:29 -0500
Subject: Francis Ow's Heart Model Books

This is a forward (with permission) of a letter sent to me by Francis Ow,
regarding his books of origami heart models. You may find this helpful
ordering his books (I ordered the second one but got the one I already had,
maybe I can get the right one next time).

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net

At 01:48 PM 8/14/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Hi Ahliana,
>
>There is some confusion caused by my publisher, Japan Publications.
>Originally, I had privately published 2 books on heart models. The 1st,
>ORIGAMI HEARTS and the 2nd, MORE ORIGAMI HEARTS. {There is a third one
>called HEARTS 3-D privately published and following the same format by my
>good friend, David Petty in England [e-mail - UKpetd@aol.com] or visit his
>site at: - http://members.aol.com/ukpetd
>As my books were originally meant for Origami clubs and societies, I left
>out all the basics, the symbols were included only when the publishers
>proposed to publish my books.
>
>The 1st one was translated to Japanese by the publisher, Chikuma Shobo,
>under the title of ORIGAMI HARTO. [ISBN4-480-87149-7] Later, Japan
>Publications wanted to re-translate it back to English but when they found
>out about my 2nd book, they decided to publish it and used the title that I
>gave for the 1st book, i.e. ORIGAMI HEARTS [ISBN 0-87040-957-3]. To add to
>more confusions, there are also editions of my 1st. book in England,
>Holland [translated to Dutch] and the USA. Anyway to straighten out this
>confusion, the ones you see in the book shops with Japanese text is the 1st
>book and those in English is actually my 2nd book.
>
>I do not have any more copies of my private publications but there is a
>possibility that Mark Kennedy might still have some left. [e-mail
>KennedyM@mail.dnb.com] You will need to tell him precisely, that you wish
>to obtain my private publications or he may send you the wrong book. [There
>are no ISBN numbers in my private publications]
>
>A 4th book on Hearts [my third] is ready but is not published yet. The
>title will be MORE ORIGAMI HEARTS 4-U. Most of the models in this new
>volume are different from those in previous volumes. A few models [less
>than 5 models] are similar but the folds have been modified [upgraded?] to
>provide a simpler and more economical way to fold them. All in, the new
>book consists of about 120 pages of diagrams of Heart and "Heart related"
>models, most of which can be flatten, so that they can be contained in
>envelopes together with love letters, etc. etc. Drop me your address and I
>shall send some samples of these unpublished models to entice you.
>
>> I must say that your hearts are some of the models I have folded most
>> during my time folding.
>
>Thanks again for folding my models.
>
>> I have given many to my husband, and have decorated
>> many wedding packages with your hearts.
>
>Keep up the good work!
>
>> Here in the US, origami is not very
>> widespread,
>
>That is not quite true. Americans produced some of the finest origami
>appreciated even by the Japanese. They are re-introducing Origami back to
>the Japanese.
>
>> Thank you for the joy you have brought to my life!
>>
>And thanks for joy you gave me by your appreciation
>Feel free to visit my site at:- http://www.singnet.com.sg/~owrigami
>
>Peace and Harmony through Origami
>
>Francis Ow
>Singapore





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:38:36 -0400
Subject: Re: More Stands

Traditionally, Trek models are displayed on the fleet logos.  The
Enterprise, (which I am still fighting with) would be displayed on the
Federation symbol, the Klin ships on the Trefoil, etc.  It should be a
breeze for folders who think bath'leths trivial!  :-) I would love to hear
from anyone designing such weapons or bases for them.  Ships, too.  Indeed,
anything sci-fi related.

                                                        Cathy

At 08:13 AM 98-08-15 -0500, you wrote:
>Since we are discussing Klingon weapons, what are the traditional stands
>for them, and has anyone thought about designing the stands? Would make a
>beautiful display model sitting on your desk at work! Make 'em *really*
>wonder! Or at least sitting with any other Trek or other SF models (origami
>or not). And anything to hold up Marc Kirschenbaum's Enterprise?
>
>Ahliana Byrd
>lnahbyrd@onramp.net
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Bugly <amyg@AZSTARNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:54:23 -0700
Subject: Re: SF Model Suggestions

>Well, if we're getting people inspired about SF models, what about perhaps
>origami Fed or Klingon logo? A communicator that opens (action model)?
>Perhaps a TARDIS? K-9? Kryten? Robby(tm)? I might work on the TARDIS, it
>might be within my young skills, shouldn't be too hard. Anybody remember
>the wearable (sort of) Spock ears made of stiff paper of years past? My
>husband suggested one of the creatures from Aliens, maybe also the
>face-hugger from Alien? Flying saucer? ET? Classic Trek shuttlecraft? A
>shuttle with legs (Starbug)? An old type-1 phaser that fits ito a type-2
>phaser? (It wouldn't be distinctive away from cons, but SF people would
>recognize it as easily as some of the Klingon weapons.) Cylon mothership?
>How about Cyclops, Harpy, or a Hydra?
>
>Are there any models that have a pocket that has a smaller object inside,
>all made from 1 piece?
>
>I'll work on some as skill permits (well, maybe a bit beyond my skill,
>that's how we grow), but I need to do some more folding to understand some
>of the folds possible. Just thought I'd ask for the moon (and beyond)...I
>hope this sparks ideas in someone's head!
>
>Happy folding!
>
>Ahliana Byrd
>lnahbyrd@onramp.net
>
Actually, my first real design was an X-wing Fighter from Star Wars, I also
did the Tauntaun, but without a rider...and for those of you interested in
fantasy models, I'm working on a series of mostly dragons, but will take any
suggestions my skills allow.  If I ever learn how to chart well, I'll get
those designs out of storage in my head, and put some of them on paper for
everyone to enjoy.

I'm also wondering if any of you have perfected a way to photograph origami.
I have a lot of friends who have been asking to see my work, but until I
find a way to get pictures, I can't really do much.

        Amy Goncharsky





From: Sam Kendig <neuro_mancer42@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:54:24 -0700
Subject: Re: More Stands

     I've been attempting to make the Klingon Trefoil, so far from an
equilateral triangle, and I've had a little bit of luck. I may end up
making the model from an isosceles triangle, because the top triangle
is supposed to be longer than the bottom two. I'll post again if I
have any major progress with this.

Peace,
Sam
Neuro_Mancer42@yahoo.com

---Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET> wrote:
>
> Traditionally, Trek models are displayed on the fleet logos.  The
> Enterprise, (which I am still fighting with) would be displayed on the
> Federation symbol, the Klin ships on the Trefoil, etc.  It should be a
> breeze for folders who think bath'leths trivial!  :-) I would love
to hear
> from anyone designing such weapons or bases for them.  Ships, too.
Indeed,
> anything sci-fi related.
>
>                                                         Cathy

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From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:23:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Klingon Weapon models (was Re: Lord Vader)

Joseph Wu wrote:

>
>
> Just trying to see if anyone was paying attention. And, yes, I folded a
> bat'telh last night from a 24 by 1 rectangle. I'll try to put a scan up soon.
> -

I see I'll be ordered to fold this is as my next project by the Klingon warriorI
live with.  And we only just found a place to hang the real bat'leth (I dunno a
good
spelling either) in our new home!

-Dahlia





From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:25:54 -0400
Subject: Re: More Stands

Cathy wrote:

> Traditionally, Trek models are displayed on the fleet logos.  The
> Enterprise, (which I am still fighting with) would be displayed on the
> Federation symbol, the Klin ships on the Trefoil, etc.  It should be a
> breeze for folders who think bath'leths trivial!  :-) I would love to hear
> from anyone designing such weapons or bases for them.  Ships, too.  Indeed,
> anything sci-fi related.
>
>                                                         Cathy

Ruh-Roh.  I may be getting inspired....I'll let you know if it pans out.

-Dahlia





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:30:56 -0500
Subject: SF Model Suggestions

Well, if we're getting people inspired about SF models, what about perhaps
origami Fed or Klingon logo? A communicator that opens (action model)?
Perhaps a TARDIS? K-9? Kryten? Robby(tm)? I might work on the TARDIS, it
might be within my young skills, shouldn't be too hard. Anybody remember
the wearable (sort of) Spock ears made of stiff paper of years past? My
husband suggested one of the creatures from Aliens, maybe also the
face-hugger from Alien? Flying saucer? ET? Classic Trek shuttlecraft? A
shuttle with legs (Starbug)? An old type-1 phaser that fits ito a type-2
phaser? (It wouldn't be distinctive away from cons, but SF people would
recognize it as easily as some of the Klingon weapons.) Cylon mothership?
How about Cyclops, Harpy, or a Hydra?

Are there any models that have a pocket that has a smaller object inside,
all made from 1 piece?

I'll work on some as skill permits (well, maybe a bit beyond my skill,
that's how we grow), but I need to do some more folding to understand some
of the folds possible. Just thought I'd ask for the moon (and beyond)...I
hope this sparks ideas in someone's head!

Happy folding!

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:32:40 -0500
Subject: Re: SF Model Suggestions

Well, at some shops you used to be able to get rubber ones, but the ones to
which I was referring were in a *very* old book of pop-out paper models.
This was literally probably about 25 years ago, my parents bought it for me
(or I think they did) when I was maybe 7 or so. I remember you popped
things out along the perforations and put tab A into slot B sort of thing.
This was a trip down memory lane to spark ideas in others, sorry to raise
hopes. But try to make some?

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net

At 03:02 PM 8/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 01:30 PM 98-08-15 -0500, you wrote:
>.............Anybody remember
>>the wearable (sort of) Spock ears made of stiff paper of years past?
>
>
>Montrealers have been looking for origami Spock ears to wear, I didn't know
>they existed!  Tell me more....





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:02:14 -0400
Subject: Re: SF Model Suggestions

At 01:30 PM 98-08-15 -0500, you wrote:
.............Anybody remember
>the wearable (sort of) Spock ears made of stiff paper of years past?

Montrealers have been looking for origami Spock ears to wear, I didn't know
they existed!  Tell me more....

                                Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:40:09 -0700
Subject: Francis Ow's letter

Hi Ahliana,
      I've folded many hearts from Ow's book that you mentioned, but I
didn't know he had a website.  Thanks
for sharing that letter on the origami list.  I just realized how I
misspelled your name before in another
message to the unleashed list.  I'm awful at typing and spelling when I'm
trying to be speedy.
Ria





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:52:34 -0700
Subject: identity of folder

Greetings,
      Would somebody who went to NYC convention ( or the folder himself)
tell who folded the models of
the ginger jar, vase and bowl along with the picture frames and other
decorative items that were in one
of the displays?  I took photos of many of the exhibits, but didn't have
time to take names down.  I want
to give credit where it's due, since I have put some of my photos onto a
website that is part of another
person's art education site.  Thanks.
Ria





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:59:19 -0700
Subject: Re: identity of folder

Ria,

I took the ginger jar class that was taught by Aldo Putignano.  I believe
he also created the model that was on display.

Judy Pagnusat

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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:14:29 -0700
Subject: Re: identity of folder

Aldo Putignano is a Board Member of OrigamiUSA.





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:33:22 -0400
Subject: Re: SF Model Suggestions

At 02:32 PM 98-08-15 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, at some shops you used to be able to get rubber ones, but the ones to
>which I was referring were in a *very* old book of pop-out paper models.
>This was literally probably about 25 years ago, my parents bought it for me
>(or I think they did) when I was maybe 7 or so. I remember you popped
>things out along the perforations and put tab A into slot B sort of thing.
>This was a trip down memory lane to spark ideas in others, sorry to raise
>hopes. But try to make some?
>
>Ahliana Byrd
>lnahbyrd@onramp.net

It shouldn't be too hard to fold Spock ears--Anyone willing to give it a
try?  Designing is way out of my league!

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:35:57 -0500
Subject: Name Spelling

Call me anything but late for dinner!  ;-)

>I just realized how I
>misspelled your name before in another
>message to the unleashed list.  I'm awful at typing and spelling when I'm
>trying to be speedy.
>Ria





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:13:02 -0700
Subject: folder's name

Thanks to those who responded to my message, now I can give credit to the
folder who did the models in my photo
Ria





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:38:34 -0400
Subject: Re: More Stands

At 10:19 AM 98-08-16 +0100, you wrote:
>> Since we are discussing Klingon weapons, what are the traditional stands
>> for them,
>
>Sorry for stating the obvious, but the traditional stand for any Klingon
>weapon is in front of the enemy poised for the final death-blow!
>
>Q'Pla!
>--
>Mark

Of course!  So do we have a model of a tribble?

                                Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:22:12 -0500
Subject: Re: More Stands

ROFL! Ok, are there enough visible references on a Klingon to make a
distinctive model? Or could the battle clothing be folded well enough to be
recognisable? If so, a proper 'stand' might be folded...the hands need to
be able to wrap around the weapon of choice and lock back into the palm.

At 10:19 AM 8/16/98 +0100, you wrote:
>> Since we are discussing Klingon weapons, what are the traditional stands
>> for them,
>
>Sorry for stating the obvious, but the traditional stand for any Klingon
>weapon is in front of the enemy poised for the final death-blow!
>
>Q'Pla!
>--
>Mark





From: Mark Gilchrist <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:19:06 +0100
Subject: Re: More Stands

> Since we are discussing Klingon weapons, what are the traditional stands
> for them,

Sorry for stating the obvious, but the traditional stand for any Klingon
weapon is in front of the enemy poised for the final death-blow!

Q'Pla!
--
Mark





From: joyce saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:09:45 -0400
Subject: Emiko Kruckner

Emiko Kruckner-An Appreciation

Emiko Kruckner was my mentor to the works of Yoshizawa-sensei and to the
art of Japanese teaching and classroom management. She was all gentleness,
calm, and precision as she showed how her teacher, Akira Yoshizawa,
performed the various moves that produced exquisite origami. She always
choose models that were simple enough for beginners but that more expert
folders could polish to perfection. She did not hesitate to take on wet
folding, an added dimension of learning and management within the time
constraints of the Origami convention schedule.

It was Emiko who took on the responsibility for the Yoshizawa weekend
workshop (1991), a formative moment for many folders. We could participate
in a Japanese teaching experience within our own national boundaries. I
must say that there were some culture clashes during that weekend, but
Emiko's perfect manners and gentle humor dissipated any potential
rebellions.

I met her again in Salem, MA at the Peabody-Essex Museum during a festival
celebrating Japanese paper arts, paper-making, paper-dying, and of course,
paper folding. Her warmth and charm were encouragement enough to dispel
timidity in exploring the arts of another culture.

The last time that I saw her was at the 1997 Convention as an escort to the
Yoshizawas. I also noted that she seemed a bit quieter but I attributed
this to the presence and responsibility for  Yoshizawa and his wife.

Emiko will always remain for me a model of exquisite balance and
equilibrium. She easily navigated the pressure-cooker circumstances of
providing comfort and safe haven for  foreign visitors.  And her humor and
dedication to Origami enabled her to bridge the cultural gaps between
traditional Japanese Origami teaching and the needs of an American
audience. I will certainly miss her.

Joyce Saler





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:48:37 -0500
Subject: Re: More Stands

Cathy, you're sick and we love you! Ok, can you fold some fake fur into a
waterbomb?

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net

>Of course!  So do we have a model of a tribble?





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:38:06 -0400
Subject: Barbara Turner

Hi All,

I have just learned of the sad news of Barbara Turner's passing.  I had the
pleasure of working with her when she was the Secratary for the OrigamiUSA
Board of Directors. As a warm personality who helped out OrigamiUSA, she
will be missed.

Marc





From: Jason Todd <jrtodd@MS.COM>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:57:55 -0400
Subject: Re: SF Model Suggestions -- Alien face-huggers

Ahliana wrote:
>From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd [mailto:lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET]
>Subject: SF Model Suggestions

>Well, if we're getting people inspired about SF models, what about ...
>My husband suggested one of the creatures from Aliens, maybe also the
>face-hugger from Alien?

There are a couple of models in the Tanteidan Convention Book volumne 4
(the current one).  One is definitely a face-hugger and there is another
that looks like it might also be a face hugger.

-Jason





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:38:42 -0400
Subject: Origami Sightings

The Girl Scout (USA) Badge for Paper Arts for Cadette and Senior Girl
Scouts features an origami crane.

--
  Edith M. Kort
  Rochester,  NY 14526-1652





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:07:26 -0400
Subject: Origami sighting - Price is Right?

Hey, people.

An Aunt of mine recently told me about an origami sighting on the
American TV game show "The Price is Right".  Apparently at the
end of the show when the final contestants are bidding on their
"grand prize package", one of the contastants was going for a big
trip to Japan.  Part of the package included a bunch of origami
books and paper, as a way to "prepare" for your trip to Japan.
So they showed a camera shot of some origami books and paper, and
my Aunt noticed because one of the books was mine!  (Origami, Plain
and Simple, by me and Robert Neale.)

Did anyone else see this?  I'm curious to know what the other books
were.

--- Tom "I'll take any PR I can get" Hull





From: Renata Fontenelle <ren@NLINK.COM.BR>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:33:23 -0300
Subject: Hakama & Kimono

Hi everyone.

I'm desperate for diagrams for a Hakama and Kimono! Could anyone tell me if
thera are any of these available on the net? If there aren't (or no one
knows about it) I would also apreciate to be told of names of books I could
find those. It would help too, but since I needed them for a present,
something that could be made available quick would be nice. I can't get any
books over here, so I'd have to order from amazon or something and that
takes at least three weeks to get here by world mail. A million thanks to
all of you,
Renata





From: Renata Fontenelle <ren@NLINK.COM.BR>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:03:16 -0300
Subject: Hakama & Kimono 2

Hi everyone (again!)

Make that "desperate" for origami diagrams of anything to do with martial
arts.... !
I am still desperate (on an urgent basis) for Hakama and Kimono, but I
would love to hear from those of you who would happened to know any names
for books or sites I could get my hands on with things like that (martial
arts related origami, like weapons - katana, wakisashi, etc. or clothes,
symbols, you name it!). Thanks again, for all the help.
Renata





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:46:59 -0400
Subject: folding a tribble?

A bit tricky, that.......  The layers would be rather thick--It could be
done, I think, but I wonder if it's worth all the tribble?

                                        Cathy

At 12:48 PM 98-08-16 -0500, you wrote:
>Cathy, you're sick and we love you! Ok, can you fold some fake fur into a
>waterbomb?
>
>Ahliana Byrd
>lnahbyrd@onramp.net
>
>>Of course!  So do we have a model of a tribble?
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:06:18 -0400
Subject: Re: folding a tribble?

To whomever it was that first asked about a tribble...

Hmmmm, seems that you could just take some nice soft unryu (backcoated or not)
and do one of the mega-196-million point sea urchin models.  To make it
spherical you could probably shorten a few of the points (judicious sinks or
even brute force valley folds) and tuck them inside a few others, to "lock" the
model....

-D'gou





From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:25:28 -0500
Subject: 0-fold tribble

>To whomever it was that first asked about a tribble...
>
>Hmmmm, seems that you could just take some nice soft unryu (backcoated or not)
>and do one of the mega-196-million point sea urchin models.  To make it
>spherical you could probably shorten a few of the points (judicious sinks or
>even brute force valley folds) and tuck them inside a few others, to
>"lock" the
>model....
>
>-D'gou

Nah, too much trouble.  Here's my alternate:  take softish paper and
crumble into a tight little ball.  Looks about as good, I'm guessing, and
has the added bit of realism:  they can be made *very* quickly!

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:56:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Hakama & Kimono 2

<html>
Kalei Lundberg has done a nice katana from a 3x1 rectangle, the .pdf
diagrams can be found at Perry Bailey's site,
<font color="#0000FF"><u>http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/</font></u><font
     color="#000000">,
you will need Adobe Acrobat to read it. The New Origami by Steve &amp;
Megumi Biddle, ISBN 0-312-08037-9, has a set of empress &amp; lady, but
it requires a bit of cutting. Easy Origami by Kazuo Kobayashi and Chiharu
Sunayama, ISBN 1-57990-025-9, has a kimono fold. It should be quite
simple, as it is designed for napkins. Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Ahliana Byrd<br>
lnahbyrd@onramp.net<br>
<br>
&gt;arts related origami, like weapons - katana, wakisashi, etc. or
clothes,<br>
</font>
<BR>
</html>





From: Lynn & Ahliana Byrd <lnahbyrd@ONRAMP.NET>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:59:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 0-fold tribble

Could you make something like the butterfly-ball, such that it was made of
lots of little waterbomb tribbles, and then splat it and have lots of new
tribbles?

BTW, Cathy, you really are a Trial!  ;-)

Ahliana Byrd
lnahbyrd@onramp.net





From: Chris T Durham <gandalf_15@JUNO.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:04:45 -0400
Subject: Tantadien(I didnt spell it right...) Book

I would really like to get a copy of the most recent Tantedian(?)
convention book. If anyone can sell me one, or if you know a buisness
that sells 'em, let me know. I really would like it.

CTD

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From: Chris T Durham <gandalf_15@JUNO.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:13:48 -0400
Subject: Re: No Trek? Sadly not....

I think you do not get it just yet. Some people learn Klingon because for
them, it is entertainment and a green button. Some people learn origami
becuase it is fun for them and a green button. And I don't think you
would want other people dissing your favorite hobby, would you Mr.
Robinson?

Just my two cents,

Chris

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From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:23:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Tantadien(I didnt spell it right...) Book

At 04:04 PM 8/17/98 -0400, Chris T Durham <gandalf_15@JUNO.COM> wrote:

>I would really like to get a copy of the most recent Tantedian(?)
>convention book. If anyone can sell me one, or if you know a buisness
>that sells 'em, let me know. I really would like it.

You can order it directly from Origami House, but that is really only
convenient if you happen to live in Japan (otherwise they will accept only
postal orders, or Yen). For most people, it is easiest to go to a Japanese
bookstore that imports. Sasuga (of Massachussets) handles that, and they
are already taking care of many such orders.

Marc





From: Chris T Durham <gandalf_15@JUNO.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:49:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Tantadien(I didnt spell it right...) Book

Thanx, Marc. Do you know of a way I can contact this ccompany in
Massachusetts?

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:39:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Hakama & Kimono

Renata,

I found a Kimono site on the BOS page.  The site is
http://www.geocities.com/~jaspacecorp/kimono.html.

If you can't get to it directly try going through the BOS (British
Origami Society) page.

Hope this helps,

Judy

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:35:06 +0100
Subject: No Trek? Sadly not....

I logged on today with a small prayer not to see anything Trek related,
but those darn tribbles turned up at the end.

I love the program, but really can't get off on the level of obsession
surrounding it. The idea that intelligent people spend their time
learning Klingon rather than a useful second language astounds me.

Must be getting old & sad!

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Tricia Tait <tait@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:23:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Charlotte convention- roomate

Larry Davis is looking to find a roomate for the Charlotte N.C.
Convention. The dates would be Sept. 25, 26, and 27. Please e-mail me
privately if you or someone else you know also would like to share the
cost of a room.

Thanks,
Tricia (hopefully-some-year-can-attend) Tait





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:46:21 -0400 (
Subject: Re: No Trek? Sadly not....

In a message dated 98-08-17 15:50:05 EDT, Nick Robinson writes:

> I love the program, but really can't get off on the level of obsession
>  surrounding it. The idea that intelligent people spend their time
>  learning Klingon rather than a useful second language astounds me.
>
>  Must be getting old & sad!
>

Aloha Nick Robinson,

No, I'm getting old and sad. You're British. Big difference
in cultural norms, judging by Monty Python, Doctor Who,
and a slight exposure to British crossword puzzles.

And really, how much more surprising is learning Klingon
than learning Origami?

Obligatory origami content:

Do Klingon's have paper?
If so, what would Klingon Origami be?

Has anyone folded the letters of the Klingon alphabet?

Also, what would be the Klingon for
     1) Look, but don't touch.
     2) "I Fold Under Pressure."
     3) Invented by: ____
     4) Folded by: ____
     5) Torched by:  ____
     6) Look, but don't torch.

         (which reminds me of a parody:

         "Where has all the plunder gone,
         Long time passing?
         Where has all the plunder gone,
         Long time ago?
         Where has all the plunder gone?
         Burned in the houses every one.
         When will they ever learn?
        Plunder before you burn."
        -- author unknown to me, sorry)

NO (Not Origami-related) (warning, long ramble follows):

(I apologize for the following. I really did think about
sending it privately to Nick Robinson; but I also hoped
someone in this diverse group might have answers to
my questions, too. Please reply to the NO questions
privately, unless you can think of an origami connection.
Thank you  for your patience.)

Nick Robinson's comment on fen and Klingon leaves me
with  a few questions:

(A) What has intelligence got to do with the fen?
     Or with how people choose to do anything?

     That's really a question of behaviour, and there are many
     kinds of behaviour: intelligent, rational, acceptable, normal,
     habitual, reflexive and instinctive behaviours, to name a few.
     Being capable of a behaviour is no guarantee of that behaviour.
     Being intelligent is no guarantee of intelligent behaviour,
     any more than humans being rationalizing has been a
     guarantee of rational behaviour. Or is War rational and
     I don't realize it?

     (Anyone remember Ctuzelawis' "Doctrine of Rational War",
     from one of Herman Wouk's books, I think it was?)

     Intelligence appears to be a set of tools for solving problems,
     without particular regard to whether the problems are practical.

(B) What second language are you learning?

     (Unfortunately, I have no facility for languages. I have
     a collection of books on languages, including Mongolian,
     Sanskrit, Old English, Russian, Latin, Greek, Japanese,
     Chinese, Hawaiian, Hebrew, Arabic, etc., all on my
     "unfinished  projects" list. *sigh* I had a copy of
     "The Languages of Middle Earth", but I gave that away,
     to my university library, when I thought I might have to
     move suddenly.

     Does anyone know whether the Granth Sahib or the
      Babylonian Talmud are being committed to CD-ROM?

     I know there was such a project for the scriptures of Tibetan
     Buddhism, and think I heard of a Native American language,
     culture and folklore project also. And the Dead Sea Scrolls
     I think are available in computerized format. Anyone know of
     other similar projects?

     Anyone remember "A Canticle for Leibowitz"?

     Also, what happened to the Gutenberg Project?

     And (Pet Peeve) where's my "Library of Congress in a shoebox"
     that I've been hearing promised since the '50s?

     Hmmm, come to think of it, I guess I do know another language
     besides American English. I have a reading knowledge of the
     Yoshizawa-Harbin-Randlett line and arrow code and diagram
     conventions.)

(C) How is Klingon not a useful second language? It fullfills the secondary
     purpose of most "natural languages", it allows easy identification of
     "us vs. them".
     (I wonder what the Klingon is for
          "You wouldn't hit a fellow Klingon, would you?".)

(D) Learning Klingon promotes peace and harmony, as Esperanto hoped to,
     and appears to be more palatable if harder to learn. I'm for as many
     "bridges" between people(s) as possible. It does seem to be a
     generational thing, doesn't it? Think it'll ever be as popular as
Esperanto?

     (When Khruschev said "Our children will bury you.", I think he
      overestimated our self-destructiveness. He also underestimated the
      potential of American popular culture. If we don't survive, our memetic
      clones will.)

(E) Also, I wonder what the Klingon would be for
     "Today is a good day to diet." (sic, joke)

         (Which reminds me, what is the connection
         between the Apache dancing in France,
         and the Apache Indians in the USA? Are
         there Apaches in France, and how are they
         related and when?

         And speaking of dance, and culture,
         did anyone ever manage to reconstruct the
         lost Basque mountain village stick dances?
         I think they were Basque, men dancing in a circle
         carrying/holding onto the ends of long sticks,
         going thru a series of maneuvers without
         letting go of or getting tangled in the sticks.
         Supposedly, after one of the European wars,
         it was discovered that there was no one left
         who remembered how to do the famous dances.

         Another lost tradition, like Hawaiian science,
         Tasmanian and Dalmatian language and culture,
         Mayan science, the Circassian people, Wiccan
         religion, Druid religion and science, the Cathar
         religion, the Templars, the Anasazi, etc.)

(F) I wonder how many times paper-like substances
     were invented? The Chinese had paper from boiled
     cloth, and before that, silk, the Polynesians had Tapa,
     the Mexican Indians also had a bark paper,
     the Egyptians had papyrus, and I have read that
     modern woodpulp paper was a European invention,
     inspired by a French scientist studying a wasp that
     made paper nests.

My apologies for the long ramble. I should not write
letters at 3 AM, but I don't get in the mood very often.

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com    (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:55:56 -0400
Subject: Re: No Trek? Sadly not....NO

>
> (I apologize for the following. I really did think about
> sending it privately to Nick Robinson; but I also hoped
> someone in this diverse group might have answers to
> my questions, too. Please reply to the NO questions
> privately, unless you can think of an origami connection.
> Thank you  for your patience.)
>
>      Does anyone know whether the Granth Sahib or the
>       Babylonian Talmud are being committed to CD-ROM?

As far as I know, the Talmud has been committed to CD ROM. There is even a
url where you can find it online and even search it for particular text.

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:24:40 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Reposting - Delurking - How I Got Started in Origami, A Co

To Aliana, Sure happy that you delurked.  You shared many wonderful ideas with
us about what you have been doing with Origami.  Wish we could have a lot more
stories of experiences people have had over the years......I would love to
read these in Origami-l.  I myself am on the way to do a stint on the Aleenes
craft show on TNN showing how to make the money rose and to promote the Money
Rose and money folding tape and booklet. This segment will be shown in October
if anyone has time to watch it.  I am really nervous since I am flying to
California for the first time.  I too have had super wonderful experiences
over the years with origami and it has become my real friend.  Hope others
will share their personal experiences.  Dorigami





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:47:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami maple seed

At 04:05 PM 98-08-18 +0200, you wrote:
>To all those airplane fans: Take a look at
>http://129.79.254.195/l/www/hyplan/jwmills/EDUCATION.NOTEBOOK/origami/origa
mi.html
>where you learn how to fold an origami maple seed that actually rotates
>like the real thing.
>
>Matthias, folding maple seeds...

Thanks!  I had a look at the site and it looks like something I could fit
into my curriculum.

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net
