




From: : Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:23:08 +0200
Subject: Re: hysterical puristanism about copyright
>
> "I have been on the list for over six months and I am bored to death of
> this hysterical puristanism about copyright.

This was not me, but I sure thinks the same.  Reminds me a story of a woman
in the USA (where else !) who sued her husband because he didn't remove the
snow in front of their house, and she broke her leg when she slipped over.

        Hello, USA !  Welcome back to real world.
Instead of asking 'what percentage of the money I make selling one model
should I give to :
        - The IRS
        - The creator
        - The diagramer
        - The book's editor
        - My mother
        - My lawyer
        - The creator's lawyer
        - The diagramer's lawyer
        - Maaaaaster Yoshi, because he invented all
        - Randlett, bacause he (and Yoshi) created the origami diagramming
     symbols
        - The Lady Diana fund (buy her another Mercedes)
        - Bill Gates (because he's everywhere and he wants your money (and
     mine))

... we should consider how we can stop this &$#@% woman Zula Artur Scheele
from steeling other creator's creation and claim it's hers.

        For a resonable amount of money, we can get some hired killers that will
do a clean and efficient job.  I was told they make a 10 % discount on the
first client.

        JJ Caaaaaaaaaaaaasalongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





From: Bob Nienhuis <nienhuis@WGN.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:41:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Flower/Rose from a dollar?

>Hello,
>
>A coworker is getting married next month, and I've been asked for an
origami >flower of some sort to make out of dollar bills as part of the
office gift -- >the simpler the better.

Dorothy Kaplan has an easy but effective 3 dollar rose that was published
in an OUSA annual several years ago. I don't remember the year, but I can
try to find out if you're interested.

BTW, Dorothy is on the list and goes by the handle of DORIGAMI, so perhaps
you moght get the info from the horse's mouth.

Bob
nienhuis@wgn.net





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:35:50 -0700 (
Subject:

'Franklin Street Folders' is now called ORIGAMI KINGSTON.
We still meet on the second and fourth Saturday of the month in the
Kingston Area Library at 55 Franklin Street, Kingston NY 12401.
Meetings start at 10:30 am and last about two hours.
Driving instructions can be gotten at 914-331-0507
         Best Mike & Anita

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: David Foulds <fe320473@CR10M.STAFFS.AC.UK>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:01:02 +0100
Subject: Hummingbird Diagram

Hi,

Finally, the moment has arrived! 8^)  I have actually done the
diagrams for the Hummingbird model and they are available on
my web site, Dave's Origami.  The direct page address is

    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/hd_humbird.html

I fear the postscript diagrams are not going to work, however,
because of the font I used for the text - I'll check it out.

The gif diagrams are OK though, so *please* critique them.

Thank you.

Dave

--
David M Foulds
dmfoulds@bigfoot.com
fe320473@stmail.staffs.ac.uk
http://www.bigfoot.com/~dmfoulds





From: Terry Buse <tbuse@VSTA.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:40:28 -0500
Subject: when pigs fly problem

I've been working on Joseph Wu's model "When pigs can fly" and I did pretty
     well but I had 2 problems

1) my wings are much too thin compared to the photo
2) steps 30 to 36 which make the front legs - the front legs are making the
     head out of proportioned

Can someone help? Thanks
Terry





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:11:51 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Name for a type of fold

Some weeks back, there was a query about whether there was a name for a fold
John Montroll introduced in his Brontosaurus, in which you bring two points
together by "humping up" a bit of paper in the middle of a flat flap. I asked
John about this, and he wrote:

"I did make up that fold (in the brontosaurus) and featured a whole book on
that technique. But I have no name for it. At the time, the brontosaurus was a
breakthrough for me. Finally I had a four legged animal which didn't spread
nor have that big blob in the middle of the body (along with being not so
difficult). And I have continued to develop in that direction. Of course I
have seen that technique used by many others, glad to contribute to the
development of this art."

As John has noted, many people (including me) have adopted, altered, expanded,
and exploited this and related concepts over the years.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:11:39 -0500
Subject: Re: flying witch in a  broom

Hi Ariel:

There is a simple witch on a broom in "Creative Origami" by Kunihiko Kasahara.
There is also one in "Festive Folding" by Paul Jackson.

Check out the model search on the Origami USA website,
http://www.origami-usa.org/frames1c.htm

Kathy <*))))><





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:22:56 -0400 (
Subject: The Tenth Convention of Origami Deutschland

I am now back in England after attending the Convention of Origami Deutschland
at Freising about twenty miles to the north of Munich. It was their tenth
interntional convention and because of that a special occasion with an extra
day, lasting from Thursday evening to Sunday afternoon and with many visitors
from other countries. There have been hints on Origami-L that I should provide
an account of the meeting and I do so with pleasure, but I apologise to any
subscribers who find long postings troublesome.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com

                      ---------------------------------------------------

The Tenth International Convention of Origami Deutschland

Held at Freising, Germany, from 11th to14th June, 1998

I t is always a delight to visit the old cathedral city of Freising which
clusters round the foot of a steeply sided mountain called the Domberg. The
top is crowned by the Dom or cathedral, which is quite plain outside, but a
richly ornate confection of Bavarian  Rococo inside. The town is gracious  and
full of old buildings jostling with smart modern shops. A wonderful old hotel,
the Bayerischer Hof stands in the main street, a welcome hospice, where I, and
several other paperfolders stayed both before and after the Convention. Behind
the main street there are fascinating alleyways to explore, along one of
which, called Fischergasse, flows a clear stream, racing to join the main
River Isar at the other side of the Domberg. Paulo Mulatinho and Silke
Shroder, the founders of Origami Deutschland live in Mittlerer Graben, another
a narrow alley near the centre of the city and it is always exciting to climb
the stairs to their apartment, to visit their magical origami world and to
discover who might be visiting them from the wider world of Origami.

I arrived at Munich airport via Amsterdam at about 11 pm on Wednesday, 10th
June 1998 and was met my Heintz Stobl, a former president of Origami
Deutschland and a  genius at folding paper strips. David Brill arrived from
Manchester at almost the same time on another flight. To our great pleasure,
Heinz had brought with him, to greet us, Thoki Yenn, from Denmark, who had
arrived earlier. We had not seen Thoki since the meeting at Otsu in Japan in
December 1994 and it was wonderful to see him again, full of life as ever. The
airport is only about five miles outside Freising and Heinz soon drove us to
the Bayerischer Hof for the night. Dave and I decided it was not yet time for
bed and went out to find a cafe, still open just acoss the road., where we sat
drinking and talking until the waitress started lifting the chairs on to the
tables.

The next morning, Dave Brill and I met for breakfast and were pleased to be
joined by Eric Joisel and Vincent Floderer, the origami sculptors from Paris.
Then Kunihiko Kasahara from Japan joined us. Already, the convention had
begun.

The convention was to be held at Kardinal Dopfner House, formerly a convent,
but now a church conference centre on the top of the Domberg and next to the
Dom itself. We were relieved when Eric offered to carry our luggage up the
steep hill in his car. The convention was not due to start until 4.0 o'clock
that afternoon and Thoki and I decided to visit the cafe across the road to
talk. He is a man of fascinating ideas and our conversation ranged not only
over the many years we have known each other and about origami in its many
aspects, but also touched Pythagorean mathematics, the pyramids, chaos,
folding the Silver Rectangle and countless other subjects which hover round
the central one of paperfolding. We continued talking so long that we stayed
for lunch, before indulging ourselves still further by finding a taxi to take
us up the steep, twisting roads to Kardinal Dopfner House.

At the gatehouse a lady handed to us the keys to our rooms and we crossed the
square courtyard to the entrance and then took the lift to our rooms. In the
foyer, there was a small fountain playing into a pool with goldfish. Although
called a "house" it was really a fine hotel and I was impressed by the way it
had been refitted with morble stairs and beautiful woodwork; everything done
to the highest standard.  Every room had its own bathroom with a shower. And
in Germany, the showers always work!

During the afternoon, I took a look at the room where Silke Schroder, in her
guise as bookseller, and proprietor of the Viereck Verlag (for legal reasons
kept separate from Origami Deutschland) had set out books and origami paper
for sale. A splendid collection, with many new books, most of which I already
knew about from Origami-L. One of the most interesting was Tomoko Fuse's new
book of Masks.  There waas also a book by Paulo Mulatinho:"Origami, Neue
Ideen".

On the floor above, people were setting out their pieces for the exhibition.
With masks by Eric Joisel, and also his fantastic pangolin,  paper mushrooms
and other strange creations by by Vincent Floderer and a paper menagerie by
John Montroll, and a collection of folds by Sebastian Kirsch, most of whole
room ws already filled with very impressive exhibits.  There was also a
display of fascinating pop ups by Ramin Razani, the Iranian who now lives in
Italy. Graduallly  the exhibition overflowed the room and  extended the whole
way along a corridor as exhibitors arrived and displayed their creatons. Apart
from the incomparable Paris Origami, it was one of the finest exhibitions of
paperolding I have ever seen.

The convention opened at four o'clock with a general gathering in the
Kardinal-Dopfner Saal, an ornate room decorated in dark red for formal
receptions. We were entertained to music played on piano and bassoon by two
young Japanese men. Most unusual, I thought. Then Paulo gave an introductory
speech (in German, of course, so it went over my head). This was followed by
the formal opening speecch by Rudolf Goerge, who is the head of the local
district administration. He  has, himself, made a study of folded baptismal
certificates, so he is knowledgeable about Origami. Then the white German wine
flowed, the ice melted and the convivial weekend began. Old friends greeted
each other and new friendships were made. I found myself talking to one of the
Russian visitors whom I had never met before.. Before long it was time for
dinner in the large dining room. Inevitably, in Germany, the food was
excellent. Wine, beer and soft drinks were available at very moderate cost. As
always, eating together encouraged the fellowship.

The next morning I visited Silke's bookshop as soon as it was opened and
bought the books I had set my eyes on earlier, just in case they should all be
bought up before I got to them.. But I needn't have worried: there were ample
supplies of everything. There were, however, only specimen copies of Tomoko
Fuse's new book, "Fabulous Origami Boxes" and of  Fumiko Inoue's "Origami
Dream" no. 5. I made a note to obtain them later.

Traditionally, German Conventions have been organized on the basis of
unorganised, spontaneus group folding at separated tablkes.This is at the
opposite pole from the highly organised New York conventions. Two years ago,
at Berlin, however, a limited amount of planning was intoduced and this year
this was extended. Spontaneous folding continued at about eight tables in the
general meeting hall, but each day a printed programme was issued listing what
particular teachers would be doing, both at specified tables in the general
hall and also in separate rooms. This was an excellent compromise and I found
it a  great improvement. My only compaint was my usual one that so much was
going on that I could only a fraction of the sessions.

A feature of British Origami Society conventions has been Dave Brill's now
traditional review of the exhibited models, and he was invited to do the same
for Origami Deutschland with the aid as translator of Edwin Corrie, an
Englishman, who lives near Munich. The exhibition was too big for a complete
review, so selected models were brought into the main hall to be discussed
from the stage. I found that this helped to concentrate on the significant
models, and was an improvement on the exhaustive British system. On the other
hand, beginners' models tended to be overlooked.

The guests of honour were Thoki Yenn and John Montroll. Thoki's formal
contribution was an entertaining talk exploring the relationship of
paperfolding to chaos theory, mysticism, yantras and symbols. His thesis was
that some folds resonate with an inherent pattern within our minds. I found it
very stimulating, not so much for Thoki's conclusions a for the suggestive
ideas he put forward

John Montrol had already visitied Europe twice before this year, at Paris
Origami and at the French (MFPP) Convention at Sevres near Paris in May. He
had a fine exhibition of his work and gave a teaching session which, to my
great I regret, I didn't manage to attend.

However, with so many of the world's leading folders present, the distinction
between guests of honour and ordinary visitors was very narrow. Kunihiko
Kasahara had an exhibition of his models and gave a very interesting talk on
many aspects of regular polyhedra. I hope that he will be able to publish it.
John Smith taught his dancing lady, Eric Joisel had a teaching session: not of
one his masks, but of one of his famous rats. His fellow compatriot and
origami sulptor, Vincent Floderer treated us to the amazing experience of
mushroom folding and at one stage everyone trooped downstairs to the goldfish
fountain in the foyer, to immerse in it our crumpled papers before final
modelling. I inspected the goldfish the next day to assure myself that they
had not been harmed.

One of the nicest touches was attached to the group photograph, which had to
be postponed several times because of the rain. Paulo had procured a large
bunch of helium-filled red balloons and everyone was asked to fold a model and
attach it to a balloon. After the photograph, we released to balloons one-by-
one, in celebration of Lillian Oppenheimer's 100th birthday next October. We
were told not to  release them all together  becuse it might confuse the radar
at the nearby airport. I was a joyful occasion. Paulo met Lillian on a visit
to New York and he was devoted to her.

After the Utsu meeting in Japan in 1994, Paulo and Silke had been very
honoured to meet the veteran folder and Buddhist priest, Kosho Uchiyama. At
Paris Origami Yoshihide Momotani told us that that Kosho had died only a week
previously, on 15th  March, so Silke asked me to mark the occasion by giving a
short talk about him. I traced his style of folding from that of his his
father Michio and his grandmother, who was a lady-in-waiting to a noble family
and who folded in the style of the Kayaragusa.  It was interesting to do the
research, and to disover that in Kosho, we had a link with the earlier days of
paperfolding in Japan. I may post my talk to Origami-L.

Paperfolders include people of very diverse and unexpected skills. One delight
was provided by Vladimir Chernov, from Saratov in the Volga region of Russia
and a friend of Sergei Afonkin. He had brought with him a collection of
marrionettes, which he brought to life to music played on a tape recorder by
his friend, Leonid Fedorovich.  A series of long-legged spiders, crocodiles,
small dogs and dolls, in turn entertained us, terrified us and amused us. The
last puppet was a seductive young lady,  who bopped around  and in the end had
the audience rising to join in an exhuberent dance on the floor. And all due
to the art of suggestion!

On Sunday morning we were treated to another very different entertainment,
which also had little to do with origami, except in the way that it created
very much  from very little. Philip Noble is best known as the creator of the
three-dimensional Flexicube folded from a single strip of paper. He is an
Anglican priest in Scotland who is also a clown and very successfully uses his
clowning skills to preach the gospel.  He gave us a demonstration of string
figures, about which he is an expert and told the story of the Prodigal Frog
illustrated by a string figure played between his fingers and toes. His final
story was fascinatingly told in American Indian sign language, a moving story
told in beautifully explicit hand actions. Only half realising it we were
being given a sermon and there is no wonder that back in Scotland, Philip
leads a very successful and lively parish.

Many were the tributes paid at the Convention to Paulo and Silke both
publically and in private. The amount of work they do, both visibly and in the
background is incredible. But it is the warmth of their enthusiasm that
captivates everyone and brings them back to the  German Convention year after
year. Every person is made to feel a special guest.Out of some hundred or more
people attending, we counted people from fifteen countries (seventeen if
England, Scotland and Wales are counted separately).

People begn to depart on Sunday afternoon, but as usual, some remained behind
and on Sunday evening those of us who remained were taken for our meal to a
typical German "Brauhaus", (literally a brewhouse, but really a sort of
restaurant) which has become a feature of German Conventions. Thoki Yenn
treated us to a demonstration of his paper-cut animals and his scuttling mouse
folded from his handerchief.  We had a riotous time. We performed the
colourful firework routine that was taught to us some years ago by the Spanish
folders and then Eric Joisel, egged on by Vincent Floderer, revealed yet
another of his talents when he enacted an unlikely fight between and Indian
brave and a hippopotomus. I counted that out of 17 people sitting round the
table there were no less than seven nationalities!

For me, the Convention was not quite over. I stayed in Freising for two more
days, and on the Tuesday Paulo took me and Kunihiko Kasahara and Paulo's
daughter Raphaella (who is studying German in Munich before returning to
Brazil)  to Nuremburg, one hundred miles up the autobahn, to see the folded
paper soldiers dating from about 1820 in  Children's Museum at the the German
National Museum. We managed to take photos of the paper soldiers, although
flash wasn't permitted. Most were mounted soldiers with the horse and its
rider folded from one piece of paper in a style pajarita folding. Afterwards,
we saw part of  Nuremburg and its ancient walls, before returning to Freising.

The next morning I travelled by train to stay in the fine old town of Munich
to see some some of its sights that I had missed on earlier visits. They
included the Deutsches Museum, which is one of the world's great science
museums (the section on computers particularly caught my interest) and the
vast romantic Nymphenburg Palace built in the Rococo style of the 18th
Century. What I found most attractive, however, was the Amalienburg, a
miniature palace, which is an exquisite rococo gem built in the grounds of the
larger palace.

On my last evening I went to the theatre to enjoy a performance of authentic
flamenco played by a troup of singers, dancers and guitarrists led by Paco
Pena, the great Spanish flamenco guitarrist. Then early  the next morning I
dragged my luggage, now overweight with books, to the S-Bahn station to catch
the train back to the airport and home. From every point of view, it had been
an enjoyable and rewarding stay and I send my thanks and best wishes to
Origami Deutschland and my hopes that they will continue to flourish in the
future.

David Lister.





From: tommy <tomkat@DALLAS.NET>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:05:14 -0500
Subject: Re: flying witch on a broom

There is a three piece model called Hallowe'en Witch in
_Brilliant_Origami_ by David Brill. The pieces are a witch, her hat, and
a broom. Glue is recommended for assembly. The picture of the model in
the color plates at the front of the book looks nice.

I also remember a witch on a broomstick in Paul Jackson's
_Festive_Folding_. I'm not certain but I think this is a one piece
model.

A search on the Fascinating Folds web site for Halloween Diagrams
produced the following two models though I have seen neither one.

Flying Witch in _Horrorgami_ by Steve and Megumi Biddle

and

Flying Witch in _Scary_Origami_ by Jill Smolinski

I suppose that these witches are flying on brooms.
Curiously, this search didn't list Brill's Hallowe'en Witch.

Tommy





From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:41:25 -0400
Subject: Re: flying witch in a  broom

Ariel asks:
>        Has anyone seen any origami design of a witch flying in its.. broom
? (
>I
>hope "broom" is the right word..you know...the cleaning thing to sweep the
>floor...besen, escoba, kvast...something).
>

___________
Gee, I remember those, brooms I mean <grin> think I use to have one.
Kidding aside there is a nice model of a witch on a broom in The Flapping
Bird by Samuel Randlett my copy doesn't have an ISBN sorry.  The model is
called Welsh Witch and is by Robert Harbin. I use it in a free-standing
mobile surrounded by bats for Halloween...even found that you can color
change the straw part of the broom.

 Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:48:39 -0400
Subject: Re: flying witch in a  broom

Yes...Ariel wrote:
>  Has anyone seen any origami design of a witch flying in its.. broom ?

yes-- in one of Robin Harbin's books I believe.  The one that also has
the famous (or infamous) jackstone model

-dahlia





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:55:39 -0400
Subject: Re: flying witch in a  broom

Ariel,
"Brilliant Origami" by David Brill, (I Just got the book yesterday) has a
witch flying on a broom, page 210. It is in three parts - the witch, her hat
and the broom. I think I saw one in a Robert Harbin book its not in "Origami
the art of paperfolding".
.
hobbit, who would rather be in NY, NY!





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:07:01 -0400
Subject: Re: flying witch in a  broom

At 12:31 AM 6/29/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi !!!
>
>        Has anyone seen any origami design of a witch flying in its.. broom
? (

There are also flying witch models in Creative Origami (simple) by Kasahara
and Festive Folding (intermediate) by Paul Jackson.





From: jfirestone <jfirestone@MILEHIGH.NET>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:08:18 -0600
Subject: reprint of origami omnibus/origami for the connisseur

 the sasuga site has announced that Origami Omnibus and origami for the
Connoisseur will be back in print in september in japanese and by Japan
Publications. Can Viva Origami be far behind?.  They are also offering 20%
off until the end of july. what great news

david walker





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:32:00 +0200
Subject: Boar by Issei Yoshino

Sorry,

does anyone of you have the book "Issei Super Complex Origami" by Fumiaki
Kawahata and can read Japanese?

I am particularly interested in the remarks that accompany steps 66--73 of
the Boar.  From my attempt at folding these steps, the remarks must say
repeatedly:  "This does not lie flat. This does not lie flat. No
landmarks. No landmarks. No landmarks."

Any other tips that might make folding these models easier?

Yours, Sebastian (going back to folding a nice and simple Kawahata
Dimetrodon for relaxation. And perhaps a Lang Blackdevil Angler later on,
if I feel like a little practice.)                    skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Maureen Evans <kanga@ESCAPE.CA>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:53:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Hummingbird Diagram

Thanks Dave for a wonderful Hummingbird.  I had alot of fun folding it
and it actually looked like yours when I was done :)

Thanks again
Maureen Evans
kanga@escape.ca





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:31:04 +0200
Subject: flying witch in a  broom

Hi !!!

        Has anyone seen any origami design of a witch flying in its.. broom ? (
     I
hope "broom" is the right word..you know...the cleaning thing to sweep the
floor...besen, escoba, kvast...something).

        cheers,

                        Ariel





From: Tony O'Hare <tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:41:20 +0100
Subject: Sellers again

I have been reading the discussion on this with interest too over the
last few weeks, and thought I'd chip in.
The only parallel I can make is with the area of music where copyright
is more or less in black and white, with the odd exception. Money is
obviously the key - music is big business and "creators" have to get the
credit (i.e. monetary rewards) due them for their skill in creating
something both new and desirable. Sheet music (comparison with origami
diagrams) is sold with copyright and the law of copyright is understood
by professionals. There is a Musicians' Union which ...
This does not prevent people from playing their music - indeed quite the
opposite - it is to encourage people to play their music. It also, I
believe, does not stop people playing a particular song in public for
money, as the numerous "cover" bands testify.
Maureen Evans raised a valid





From: Tony O'Hare <tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:46:03 +0100
Subject: Unfinished message (Sellers)

As readers of the list may have gathered - the last message I sent was
unfinished and sent by accident! Apologies for this ... here's the
missing bits...

Subjects perhaps to look into:
1. Should the origami community put together an agreed copyright code?
Is there a code which we can borrow from other arts/crafts? Anyone
looking to  make substantial profit from origami would be encouraged to
sign up to this code - is this practical or realistic?
2. Maureen Evans raised the point that it is not understood that the
copyright applies to the finished article as well as the instructions. I
would agree - it is not clear. However I think the principle of the
copyright is basically to protect the creator's rights over what happens
is probably the amount of money involved and whether a case of copyright
is worth pursuing  by the creator - which brings you back to courtesy.
3. Royalties - can this be applied to origami models as in music or
plays etc. Each time a piece of music is played on radio for instance
the writer gets a fee. Most creators would be very happy for their
creations to be used if they received a percentage of the proceeds. I
don't know whether this could be applied to origami - probably some one
with a good knowledge of the legal system, especially as it applies to
"the arts" may be able to comment further.
4. Newcomers to origami often do not know that a certain model has
already been created - it is getting more difficult to keep track all
the time (not the case in this instance)! One of the reasons for
publishing instructions for models is to establish this - personal
recognition and credit. This should bring with it various rights on how
that is used especially where money is concerned.
This is a grey area as has been stated previously. These discussions may
help towards un-greying it ...
...possibly.





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1998 02:01:26 +0200
Subject: SV:      Update on Origami Sweden logo competition

To All of You,
the right URL to the homepage of Origami Sweden is:
http://hem.passagen.se/dion/OrigamiSverige/index.htm

Regards

Dino





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:12:08 -0500
Subject: Tues Nite Chat

Hi All:

Just a friendly reminder about the Tuesday (June 30) Night Chat!

9pm Eastern Standard Time,  2am Greenwich Mean Time (the following day)

 http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html

Hope y'all can make it :)

Kathy <*))))><





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:38:44 +0100
Subject: brooms

Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE> sez

>hope "broom" is the right word

It is - the word comes from an English shrub called (wait for it) the
Broom, the branches of which are/were commonly gathered together to form
the sweeping implement. A similar bush is called the Besom & it used to
be common to specify a "broom broom" or a "besom broom". The shrub
itself has spectacularly beautiful flowers, often bright
orange/yellow/red.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:29:32 -0400
Subject: Re: reprint of origami omnibus/origami for the connisseur

> the sasuga site has announced that Origami Omnibus and origami for the
>Connoisseur will be back in print in september in japanese and by Japan
>Publications. Can Viva Origami be far behind?.  They are also offering 20%
>off until the end of july. what great news
>
>david walker

The exchange rate for the U.S. looks to be very favorable right
now--probably also into the fall.  Not that I have to suggest to anyone on
this list to *jump* at the chance to get these particular books....   :)

The postage is always a killer, but do check out their website, as their
prices are competitive.  I think the fact that they do volume business in
Japanese books & magazines helps somewhat.  And Sasuga is very quick!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:33:20 -0300
Subject: Re: The Tenth Convention of Origami Deutschland

>>From: DLister891@AOL.COM
>>Subject:      The Tenth Convention of Origami Deutschland
>>
>>an account of the meeting and I do so with pleasure, but I apologise to any
>>subscribers who find long postings troublesome.
>>
>>David Lister.

No need to apologize about "long postings" as long as they have good,
sound, helpful or entertaining contents. Thanks, David.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:38:48 -0300
Subject: Re: flying witch in a  broom

Just detailing partial previous partial answers:
My copy of the Harbin book with the one-piece witch is titled "New
Adventures in Origami" (Harper Perennial), but I know it was also
reprinted under another title. It's a very nice model, using color
changes and subtle detail in the pointed hat and hands. IMHO more
effective than either Brill or Kasahara's models.
        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:01:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Netiquette PLEASE!

>>From: Maarten <VGELDER@KVI.NL>
>>
>>> Until someone creates a FAQ for this list, would the members
>>
>>Well, I've put this message (a little bit edited) in the archives
>>under the FAQs.

Did you? "Under the FAQs"? My apologies, Maarten---I thought there were no
FAQs available (maybe I'm guilty of not carefully reading your periodical
messages). Do new subscribers receive them automatically?

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:31:50 -0400
Subject: Hacky Sack

Fran,

Winson Chan's Hacky Sack module isn't a universal
polyhedron module: you can't make all the regular
polys from it. It only makes polyhedra that have
either 3 or 6 edges meeting at each apex. (To join
6, you have to use a slightly different way of joining
the units.

So you can make the "dodecahedron" that he shows on
his diagrams, using 30 modules. Actually it looks
more like the polyhedron that has triangles and
pentagons, because the joints where 3 units join
make a good sized solid triangular area.

Also, his unit is "geodesic": the flat units must
bend slightly around the surface of the enclosed sphere
in order to meet. It may help to hold the units firmly
at both ends and pull them over the edge of a table
(unit face up) in order to make them curve. Or just
shape them with your fingers.

Since a soccer ball ("BuckyBall") polyhedron also has
3 edges meeting at each apex, you can also make one of
those from 90 units.

The units will join at the precise angle as he shows
in his diagrams. The hooked over edge of the join should
be tight against the edge it is hooked over, and all 3
units need to be slid together so that there is no hole
at the center.

Valerie Vann





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:33:24 -0400
Subject: Re: The Tenth Convention of Origami Deutschland

Thanks for the great essay on the German Convention,
David! I hope you will post your talk also.

Valerie Vann





From: Peter Mielke <pmielke@FMCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:50:41 -0400
Subject: Re: The Tenth Convention of Origami Deutschland
Gnu-Emacs: the prosecution rests its case.

Thank you David for wonderful description of the conference.

There was one thing that went on for almost the entire conference. Peter
Koppen (http://www.bayern.com/shopart/koppen/index.html) was helping with
the construction and composition of a 10th aniversary construction of the
Origami Deutschland logo. (I don't know if it was volunteer or a
commission). Everyone was asked to fold the various sized microships which
Peter started mounting. He wasn't able to finish it during the conference
(there were still various small empty spots that still needed to be
filled), but it looked wonderful and members were asked to sign along the
edge.





From: Maarten <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:30:33 +0000
Subject: Re: Netiquette PLEASE!
Priority: normal

> Until someone creates a FAQ for this list, would the members
> please have in mind that:
>
>         Sincerely,
>                 Carlos
>         furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

Well, I've put this message (a little bit edited) in the archives
under the FAQs.

Thanks Carlos for writing this down.
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Fran Rodriguez <fran@BCNET.UPC.ES>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:20:43 +0200
Subject: Hacky Sack

Hello there.
        Sorry for my english.

        This is my first post in this list.

        I've been playing with models from books i've buyed (Lang,
Montroll...), and lately i've been folding modular origami models with
work papers (cards, programs, magazines).

        A few days ago i've tried to fold the hacky sack from Winson Chan
(http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Files/PDF/hackysack.pdf), but when
i've folded three pieces and assembled it, i can't figure out how it can
be assembled in a 3d model (icosahedron for example). The three pieces
lock together in a 2d join. The three pieces are in the same plane, and
the only way i can figure to create a 3d form, is to force the 'sticks'
to follow the desired angle. I think this isn't probably the way.
        What i'm doing wrong ?

        Thanks.

        = Fran =

Melvin: How can you diagnose me as obsessive compulsive and then
tell me I have a choice about barging in here?
                                        - As good as it gets -





From: tommy <tomkat@DALLAS.NET>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:12:17 -0500
Subject: More on Hacky Sack Module

This is a wonderful modular design. Thanks Winson! At first my thinking
was like Fran's. How can I get this 2d join of 3 units to become a 3d
object? It seemed like I needed to add some more folds. This thinking
probably arose from making other polyhedron modulars (such as Robert
Neale's dodecahedron units in which a fold in the unit defined an edge
of the polyhedron and the paper on either side of the fold belonged to
two different faces of the polyhedron). It turns out that no more folds
are needed only a slight bend or curve. As you add more units to the
Hacky Sack it becomes clear that each unit will curve slightly in order
to connect in the desired shape. The resultant object looks like a woven
sphere (or, with the 30 unit version, perhaps a tiling of a sphere with
triangles and pentagons. the pattern is like an icosidodecahedron with
offset triangles).

I've only made one of these so far. I chose to put the join side of the
units (as pictured on the final step of the diagrams) on the inside of
the model but you could assemble it with this on the outside. My
finished model has a woven look. A question to others who have folded
this model: Which side are you putting on the outside. Which do you
prefer?

Now if I can find time to make 90 of these units...

Tommy





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:00:00 +0200
Subject: Update on Origami Sweden logo competition

Hi !!!

        A couple of weeks ago I sent an email on behalf of the  Origami Sweden
association about a competition for a logotype for the association and its
magazine.

        We have got some nice proposals, and we put them in an HTML page so that
anyone can visit the page and give us feedback ( which one you think is the
best).

        We are still open ( for a couple of weeks ) for new proposals. The one
sending the winning one will get an origami book of his choice ( sorry, but
the association is small and therefore they have little money), provided of
course, that the book is purchaseable somewhere in this galaxy.

        All those sending proposals will get a small book containing the folding
instructions for the foldable models. Note that the logotype has to be
just... a logotype, that means, it can be a foldable thing or not.

        Please feel free to visit the page, look at the proposal and send us
feedback and/or new proposals.

        The address is: http://hem.passagen.se/dion/OrigamiSverige/index.htm.

                                                Best regards,

                                                                Ariel





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:54:46 +0200
Subject: Re: Name for a type of fold

Hi All,

Is there anybody on the list except two or three of us?
Or everybody's gone conventioning? I guess yes.
Now on to the subject...

Just popped into my mind that in a latter diagram of mine I called this
"internal petal fold". What about this?

No more, so

Happy folding, Peter Budai





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:41:55 +0200
Subject: Re: The Tenth Convention of Origami Deutschland

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Peter Mielke wrote:
> There was one thing that went on for almost the entire conference. Peter
> Koppen (http://www.bayern.com/shopart/koppen/index.html) was helping with
> the construction and composition of a 10th aniversary construction of the
> Origami Deutschland logo. (I don't know if it was volunteer or a
> commission).

As far as I know, it was volunteer. Peter didn't manage to complete the
logo during this convention as he had counted on more people helping him
to mount the ships. (Most people (me included, although I did mount a few
ships late at night) were simply too busy folding and talking.) He will
take the logo to Hildesheim next summer so that (w/h)e can complete it
there.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:04:05 +0200
Subject: Pictures from my exhibit

Those who have been waiting for my report of my exhibit in Jan/Feb
must still wait, but I've set up a page at

http://www.sci.fi/~tenu/origami.html

Mostly thumbnails, but you can vote for your favorites to speed up
the process of getting them online.

The report gets added to the page when I get it done.

--
Jorma "thumbnail" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi





From: Fran Rodriguez <fran@BCNET.UPC.ES>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:10:37 +0200
Subject: Re: Hacky Sack

Valerie Vann wrote:
> Winson Chan's Hacky Sack module isn't a universal
> polyhedron module: you can't make all the regular

        I know.

> So you can make the "dodecahedron" that he shows on

        I typed icosahedron ? Ops. Sorry.

> Also, his unit is "geodesic": the flat units must
> bend slightly around the surface of the enclosed sphere
> in order to meet.

        Ok. That's what i said. (or i was trying to say) :)
        I have the "3D Geometric Origami:Modular Polyhedra" book, and any model
must be bend to follow the shape.
        Well. I'll try it.

        Thanks for all.

        And I will not ask you for the magic rose cube. :)

        = Fran =

Melvin Udall: I'm drowning here, and you're describing the water!
                                        - As good as it gets -





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:38:54 -0400
Subject: Tonight's Littleton, MA, USA Origami Meeting Postponed
Hi,

Response for tonight's meeting was slim with the Convention, work schedules,
and a short holiday week so, we won't be meeting tonight. For those of you who
would like to join us in the future, the Littleton Origami Group meets the last
Tuesday of the month in the town library.

If there's interest, we can schedule an interim meeting to catch up on
convention news.

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:40:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Hacky Sack & Geodesic Units

Fran replied:

<< any model
<< must be bend to follow the shape>>

I think you misunderstand me: yes, all modulars
"bend", but this is usually referred to as a "fold"
or "crease", that is a SHARP LINEAR break in the paper,
as is usual in origami. That is, the unit is made
into two or more planes intersecting at the crease or
fold.

What I mean by BEND is not a crease or fold, but a soft
curve achieved by shaping the the paper strip gently so
that it it actually CURVES without producing distinct
planes. The unit remains a SINGLE PLANE, curved in space.

Winson Chan's unit is one of VERY FEW origami modulars
that I know of that does this. This is what makes it
"geodesic", although origami polyhedral models can be
"geodesic" in other ways.

Two other non-geodesic origami modules that use curved planes
are the Omega Star and Enigma Cube.

Valerie Vann





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:49:32 -0400
Subject: Who's Saying?

A short time ago I was just browsing origami web pages and found a very
nice saying. Problem - I don't remember much of what it said, I don't know
who said it and I don't know whos page I saw it on. I thought, "humm, this
is nice, I should keep track of it", but of course I didn't.

It was very nicely written and talked about how origami models are
temporary but the joy of the first moment you see it lives on. Something
like that anyway. If anybody recognizes it and can point me to it I'd be
grateful. Its really nice and I'd like to give it (with permission of
course) along with origami gifts.

Thanks,
Jeff Kerwood





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:02:57 -0400
Subject: Convention '98

Well, I'm back at work & I really should be getting work done,
but lack of sleep combined with too much lunch have combined
to make me pretty much useless. Guess I'll give you folks a first
convention review:

As always, putting names to faces was great. This time I even
got to "see" who Joseph is. (Joseph---thanks again for rescuing
me from the language barrier!) I can't decide whether meeting
new people and visiting with old friends OR learning new models
and introducing old ones to new people is the more exciting part
of convention.

There were some absolutely gorgeous animals that were taught.
(One of my new friends did "mammal day" on Sunday: cat, rat,
dog!) But, since I'm not an animal folder, I just admired those.

There were plenty of geometric models for me: I learned several
stars/pinwheels, several vases, the magic rose cube, a shoe.
Chris Palmer taught a "pinwheel pouch" that was surprisingly ----
*foldable*! Learned a bunch of money folds. Probably learned a
bunch of other stuff, too, but I just don't remember.

Then I spent a small fortune on books & paper---that and my
raffle winnings left me desparately trying to figure out how to
transport several rolls of paper on the train without anythings
getting crumpled. (I didn't quite succeed, but the damage
was minimal.)

The raffle was great. Rather than have a silent auction, they
had a bunch of raffles. Tickets were $1 each, and you chose
what wanted to put your name in on. You could choose to
stuff a box, or go around shaking boxes to find the ones that
had the fewest tickets in them-->the ones you had the best
chance of winning. (I did a little of each!) I liked it much better
than the silent auction, because I could choose how much to
spend & have a chance at lots of different things. With the
silent auction, I quickly couldn't afford the things I really
wanted, so I didn't even try. They had lots of rolls of assorted
art papers (beautiful stuff), which I won one of. Scored two
sheets of paper that look like cork or woodgrain. Anyone have
suggestions for good models to make of "wood?"

I left home with my model box full of small plastic boxes. (from
computer back-up drive media) Handing these away over the
weekend (at least the ones I didn't fill with models myself) along
with little bags of miniature clothespins. Bringing something to
give away is a great way to make instant friends. Worked pretty
well for "forcing" people to teach me things. "Teach me that
model and I'll give you a box to put it in!"

My train home was an hour late arriving in NYC, which made
me pretty whiny. (Sleep deprivation does have a bad tendency
to lead to whininess.) But other than that, it was a great
weekend!

Well, back to work. I'm sure others will write more when they
wake up.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:05 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Name for a type of fold

Hello!

Peter Budai wrote:

<"..."internal petal fold".  What about this?"

I use the term "internal petal fold" to describe a petal fold that
is executed on an internal section of the paper ie. a petal fold that
does not contain the edges of the paper. I have made use of internal
petal folds in a number of my creations.

Two of my models that employ internal petal folds appear in "Origami USA
Annual Collection'98"; the Turkey Vulture and the Daisy. Both have
internal petal folds, but are executed on different interior sections of
the paper. However, the Daisy diagrams contain more information on how
to carry out the internal petal fold.

In the "Origami Annual Collection '97", three of my models contain
internal petal folds, the Double Star (entitled Squashed Bird Base Star
in the book), Hummingbird, and Cuffed Star Box(Top). Those were early
diagramming experiences for me and provide less information.
Hope this helps.

                                         Marcia Joy Miller

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:42:25 +0200
Subject: Re: Tues Nite Chat

Kathy,

>Just a friendly reminder about the Tuesday (June 30) Night Chat!
>
>9pm Eastern Standard Time,  2am Greenwich Mean Time (the following day)
account, so EST should in fact be renamed EDT (right ?). However, since
this is true for Europe too, the 5-hour gap is still there and this means
(sigh!) 2am GMT and (sighsighsigh !)_3am_ Central Europe time.
I am afraid I can't make it.... <|-O (yawn.....).

Best to all.
Roberto





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:14:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Convention '98

THANKS LISA!!!

I been whiny down here wishing I was in NY. My husband got tired of hearing
my guesses on what was taking place in NY " they are getting ready to ....
or they are probably ...." Hope to see more reports!
Hoppit





From: John Brown <hole@FRIKO2.ONET.PL>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:31:21 +0200
Subject: I need diagrams ???

Hello everybody !!!
I'm from Poland ( Europe) and I'm new on list !
Can somebody write me where I can take any diagrams !
I have some books about origami and I like it, but I want more and more!
So can you help me, Please
John

my e-mail is  hole@friko2.onet.pl





From: Bryan Feir <jenora@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:05:06 -0400
Subject: NORM (Re: brooms)

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Nick Robinson wrote:

> It is - the word comes from an English shrub called (wait for it) the
> Broom, the branches of which are/were commonly gathered together to form
> the sweeping implement. A similar bush is called the Besom & it used to
> be common to specify a "broom broom" or a "besom broom". The shrub
> itself has spectacularly beautiful flowers, often bright
> orange/yellow/red.

   A shrub which, thanks to some homesick Scotsman whose name shall be
cursed forever, has spread all throughout southern Vancouver Island in
British Columbia where it is a constant source of allergic reactions.

   Sorry, I grew up near a stand of the stuff for eleven years...

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VA3GBF|"You also ask, 'How fares my love across the sea?'
bryan@sgl.crestech.ca      | Intermediate, I presume.  She would hardly travel
jenora@istar.ca            | steerage."               -- Stephen Leacock





From: Rob Hudson <rhudson@NETRAX.NET>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:53:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Convention '98

Hi everybody!

I'm putting together the Convention issue of the Paper, and wondered if
anyone would be willing to share experiences for inclusion.  Please e-mail
them to me and we'll talk.  I'm especially interested in reviews of the
exhibits.  If you wish to send one, please make the 1st paragraph a
description of the subject matter of a particular work or set of works, and
the second your opinion (e.g. what you especially liked about it)

I'm also looking for "quotable quotes" -- so if you caught anyone at odd
times or places during the convention and they spoke witting (or
unwittingly), send it along!

Rob





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 00:13:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Convention '98

For those who are newcomers,
"The Paper" is the magazine/newletter
of Origami USA (OUSA), the USA national
origami association.

valerie





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:06:20 +0200
Subject: Interview with Neal Elias

These are the questions I have gathered so far. Dave Venables will be
interviewing Neal Elias in two weeks. If anyone gets inspired and wants to
ask Neal Elias something, (s)he is still in time.

cheers.

questions to Neal Elias:
************************

From: Katherine

1) how he got started in origami. (that sounds like it would be a great
story)

2) if he was self taught

3) what inspired him to create.

4) Maybe if he had a favorite model?

**********************************************************

from: Eric

1) I had heard a story that he wanted to use his box pleating methods

***************************************************************

From: Jean

When he started folding (and creating), I understand he was almost on a
desert island (origamically speaking).

1)  What was the reaction of non-folders towards his creations (at that
time, orgami was almost
something that came from Mars) ?

2) Did he think his creations were :
        - an art form ?
        - complex Origami ?
        - Incredibly beautifull ?

3) Where did he get the idea of folding 2 (or more) subjects from one sheet of
paper ?

4) What was his first multi-subject model ?

5) What was his first Bust model ?

6) Did he get Copyright permission for the Nurreev & Fonteen model ?

7) Did he try to contact other folders worldwide ?

8) What did he eats for breakfast (I'll take what he has ;-) ) ?

9) Did he ever create on command ?

10) Did he sell some of his models ?

11) Did he think Origami was a mystical philosophy (like Yoshizawa), or just a
fun craft to make nice things from ?

12) Does he believe there's a  life after death ?
    Does he believe there's a  death after life ?

13) Did he ever thought of writing a book on his creation ?

14) Did he contact art shops from a exhibition of his models ?  If yes, what
    was they're reaction ?

15) What does it feel to be a star of a CD-Rom, explaining to youngsters how
the life was, back then...  (Note : I wish I could have a CD-Rom dedicated
to the Maaaad Corsican Folder !) ?

Not a question : please tell him that I spend numerous hours enjoying his
models, and some of them are among my all-time favorites.

*************************************************************************
From: Perry

1) What was his favorite fold and by who, back when he was still folding?

*************************************************************************

From Dino

1) Why did he stop folding ?





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 09:11:47 +0200
Subject: Re: I need diagrams ???
Hi John
welcome to the list

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, John Brown wrote:

> Hello everybody !!!
> I'm from Poland ( Europe) and I'm new on list !
> Can somebody write me where I can take any diagrams !
I put a part of my bookmarks on the web

http://wwp.mathematik.hu-berlin.de/~juku/bookmarks.html

Try all the links in the folders ...with diagrams

Enjoy it

        Julius





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 09:13:28 +0200
Subject: Electra
Hi Tom, Hi Dave

Yes I did it, I fold the Electra60 and it looks very very very...
beautiful. Thanks for the idea.

        Julius





From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:00:57 +0200
Subject: Re: origami sea life

Hi All,

Well as far as I know the little chapter about wetfolding in "Origami Sea
Life" was indirectly refering to the pictures of some folded models
(including Montroll's magnificent Blue Shark) that were on the cover of
the first two editions of OSL. The new (third or even more?) edition has a
computer-generated cover and doesn't show any folded models at all.

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@Student.kun.nl)

PS: John and Robert: when can we expect a sequel of OSL? Just kidding, but
the idea would be great. Origami-fish are rare and I bet some type of fish
(of which the Cichlid is a great example) are pretty interesting for
Origami... and further exploration...





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:39:08 +1000
Subject: origami sea life

Hi all,

I finally got my hands on a copy of "Origami Sea Life" after a six month
wait (the ordering system can be a little slow!). I was browsing the
introduction bits and I came across a reference to photographs apparently
showing the results of wet-folding the models.

I say apparently as there are only drawings in the book. I was wondering
if this section of text was cut from another book (eg. Origami Zoo) to
save time, or if the 1st edition maybe had photographs to go with each
model?

The book looks great, well worth the wait. How do people think the
star-system of difficulty rates on the contents page? Are four stars
enough for some of those models?

Thanks in advance for any info

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Michael Janssen-Gibson

"The road goes ever on and on...."
Bilbo Baggins
