




From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:45:26 -0700
Subject: origami song
Greetings all,
      Katherine J. Meyer encouraged me to post my version of "Old Mac
Donald" with an origami twist, so
here it is:     I have a hobby called origami ei, ei, o
                and when I fold I'm good I'm told ei, ei, o
                with a crane, crane here and a crane, crane there
                here a crane there a crane everywhere a thousand cranes!

                Oh, I love to practice origami ei, ei, o!

       I hope somebodyelse is inspired to do a song or poem to add to the
thread that I picked up from
Katherine.  It is fun!  I told her I may try again to come up with something
more sophisticated while
I'm on the bus to NYC for the convention.  I'll be a volunteer there and
I''m looking forward to the
experience, especially meeting other folders.
       Just want to say thanks to Joseph and the other regular members for
enriching my experience with
origami by their advice and comments about all facets of our common interest
in paper folding.  I like to
read the postings almost as much as I like to do origami.
Ria   ^    ^





From: "L. Hayashi" <lmh@COMPUSMART.AB.CA>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:00:04 -0600
Subject: Re: New Diagrams

Joseph,
I echo everyones sentiments.  Thanks for putting out the new diagrams.  As I am
     not going to the
convention this year you made this week special by providing me with some new
     models to fold.  I
won't feel totally envious of all those who will folding and learning......

Thanks again.

Lynda

----------
> From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: New Diagrams (including the X-Wing Fighter)
> Date: June 23, 1998 11:08 AM
>
Gareth Morfill wrote:

> Joseph thanks for putting out the new models.

Hear Hear!

> Thanks for all that you do for us "folders", it really is appreciated.

I'll second that!  Thanks!

> I guess the list is SO quiet because everyone is off and folding! :)

With the OUSA Convention '98 at the end of this week, I suspect a lot of folks
are preparing, travelling, and otherwise "getting ready."  Despite being a
world-wide list, a lot of the regulars are either in the US or going to the
convention...

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:16:53 -1000
Subject: Paul Jackson's address

Does anyone know Paul Jackson's address?
                Thanks in advance, Jan





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:16:55 -0400 (
Subject: no mail

No Mail





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:44:05 -0400
Subject: New diagrams

If you're among those of us who got so intrigued
playing with Winson Chan's modular unit we didn't
get to bed until 'way late, be sure and try out
different ways to hook the modules together, and
note that you can make a BuckyBall of 90 units.
Square PostIts work nicely by the way...

Valerie Vann





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:37:00 -0500
Subject: Chat tonight

Hi All:

Just wanted to invite y'all to a Chat tonight (Wed June 24) same time,
same place.
No special topic, just feel like talking!!!

9pm EST       http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html

Kathy <*))))><





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:44:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Freising bash

Hi All,

Nick Robinson wrote:

>[...]
>
>Highlight for me was when we released 100 red balloons for Lillain's
>"birthday", each with a little model tied to it. The prospect of these
>spreading round Europe & landing in a garden far away was enchanting.

I'm watching the sky all day !!!
But I see just birds and planes :(
:)

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:44:49 +0200
Subject: Signing -small- models (Should a model be signed ?)

Julius Kusserow wrote:

>What do you do if the model have no inside ? Many models I give away are
>folded from 7.5 cm  x7.5 cm squares and dont have an inside to sign, or to
>small to sign, and signing on the outside will destroy the model?
>Any help welcome!!

In most cases the model has inside, or you have to unfold it a little to
reveal the inside. If it does not have inside, well, that's misfortune. This
case you can choose the "smaller worse", that is, you can write on the
backside. If the model is two-sided and does not have inside to write on,
I'm out of ideas.

Also, as you mentioned, small size models can be tough to find a hidden part
and sign. Write using as small latters as you can, and write only the most
essential information. Perhaps you can find to write "Julius" and some other
place to write "Kusserow". That makes your name split but there's not many
more options to choose (using the backside could be acceptable here).





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:05:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Sellers' point of view

I had an experience  last night that made me realize origami jewelry
cannot be repressed. I came to NY thinking that I might not wear my
origami jewelery to the convention: too controversial. But I think I
will, and I may even wear my Yoshizawa sailboat pin.

Here's my story: a month ago, I sent an old college friend in New York a
note. As an afterthought, I slipped in a Tres Jolie by Paolo Mulantinho
that was sitting on my desk. I forgot I had sent the model. I'm in NY for
the convention, and I had dinner with my friend last night. When she took
off her jacket, my eyes nearly popped when I saw the Tres Jolie, with an
eyelet through it, on a gold chain around her neck. It works very well as
a pendant; I had no idea it would.

I also own some of Jan Fodor's work. It's beautiful. I admire her
generosity in disclosing the sources of her designs to purchasers, and
her ethics.

Just my $.02.

-Jane, who spent yesterday afternoon sorting name tags, etc. at the OUSA
office





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:20:51 -0500
Subject: Re: new model/doodle

I just posted a .pdf file of my dollar bill Klingon battle ship, it is from a
     doodle I made while playing around with box folding, but doesn't look to
     bad.  Enjoy!

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/





From: "jaelle1@swbell.net" <jaelle1@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:47:02 -0500
Subject: Re: no mail

I am sorry.... Do I know you??? i do not remember
knowing this address.  Was I supposed to be
sending you something?
Lyrics, help with a carving pattern or an origami
pattern?
Or just a new friend whose address I do not
remember?

My appologies .. I get over 400 emails perday and
unless we have been writing for a long time I do
not remeber each one.

Walk in Light
Jaelle

ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM wrote:

> No Mail





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:26:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Please help me identify an author/designer...

At 08:53 AM 6/23/98 -0500, you wrote:

>I just couldn't believe that there wasn't even an author/editor credited on
>the book. It was really strange. And, I didn't notice it until I got it home.
>

I didn't even realize I had a version (possibly the plundered original) of
the book you were discussing.  It is The Ultimate Papercraft and Origami
Book by Paul Jackson and Angela A'Court. It was also out on the bargin
tables. Origami is just a small chapter at the end.  There are 36 models and
every one is given proper credit by the authors. I have also seen just the
origami section as a complete book in the library.

If you'd like the creators for the other models in your book, I could list
them for you. Email me with the list of the ones that were included.

Sarah

sarah@fredart.com





From: STEVE179 <steve179@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:11:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Designer question - seal on rock

Paul Jackson also has a seal on a rock ... I think it may be in the same
book as his elephant.

----------
> From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Designer question - seal on rock
> Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 10:02 AM
>
> > I have the book mentioned above I think. The book contains a model
"Seal
> > on a Rock" without credit to the creator.
>
> Martin Wall, I think.
>
> Richard K
> (R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:19:14 -0700
Subject: New Diagrams

Someone send an email to me correcting my previous posting.  Please do use
it for your personal edification - I picked the wrong word.  I just do not
want people to misuse and exploit what is freely given for the wrong
purposes.   Sorry for the confusion.  Also, sorry to the person who emailed
me privately - I accidently trashed your email along with the spam before I
got a chance to reply personally.

Wayne





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:15:24 -0700
Subject: Re: New Diagrams (Fighter)

I share the same sentiments as Winson regarding this issue.  Please feel
free to copy and distribute the Chi-Wing Fighter diagrams and enjoy!  I hope
you have as much fold folding it and perhaps modifying it as I did designing
it.  I'd also love to see how others approach this particular topic - so
please share if you come up with something interesting.  However, please do
not make money from it for personal gain (ie. OK to get reimbursed for
photocopying, small handling fee to cover for lost time etc.; don't sell it
to a publisher, don't rip off the design for your own edification etc).  If
in the unlikely event that you do make good money from the Fighter, please
follow your conscience and direct the profits to a charitible organization -
preferably one that involves helping children.  Thanks.

Finally, I feel that Winson, Joseph and, all the other contributors (too
many to list) who have provided easily accessible diagrams free of charge to
the origami communtiy via the net, deserve a hearty thank you!  Your efforts
are not wasted and much appreciated.

Wayne Ko

Winson Chan wrote:

>I beleive origami should be shared.  For models which I did not create, but
diagrammed (cross-wing fighter, and the kawasaki rose) it more of a grey,
>>>From discussions on the list, I think legally I own the right to the
diagrams,
>but from a ethical point of view, I think the final say should go to the
>creator of the model.  I've talked to Wayne Ko (creator of the cross wing
>fighter) and he's fine with people making copies and distributing them.





From: Boseditor@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:53:56 -0400 (
Subject: Comment to "Electra" (was: Please help me identify an author/designer

<<The "Electra" was the first modular origami I fold. I fold it several
times with several ideas. One possibility of folding is:

Take 3 different colours, 10 squares of each colour, and you may arrange
these modules in a way that to connetcted modules have always different
coloures. A bit tricky but locks nice>>

Thanks for this insight, Julius, I hadn't thought about this possibility
before. I usually make all the modules out of patterned paper - but when I
have used plain colours I've always used five.

All the best

Dave





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:59:49 -0400
Subject: Littleton, MA (USA) Origami Group Meeting, 30 June 1998

It's that time again!  The Littleton Origami Group will be meeting next Tuesday
at the Reuben Hoar Library in Littleton. We'll be meeting in the "old"
Historical Room downstairs near the elevator as we did last time.  Hope to see
new and familiar faces.

Kristine Tomlinson
Waltham, MA, USA
ktomlinson@platinum.com

When: Tuesday, 30 June 1998, 7:00 - 9:00.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.  This
intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic lights.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A West)
 toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 119
    West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is
    a right hand fork -- this is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other entrance
to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite
Badger Funeral home. The sign says Town Offices.

There's parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Martin Gibbs <mrg63@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:29:19 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Furniture money folds

>I once replied to a message on this listserv by describing the >folding
sequence in text which should be followable. If you wish I >can attempt
it again, but you could email me
>privately.

I don't think I responded to this earlier. I'd be interested in getting
the description of the folding sequence of this furniture fold, if you
are able to send it.

Thanks in advance,

Martin Gibbs.

>The fold is a sofa with back, arms and legs. It can be folded
>with any size rectangle, or a square so our five dollar bills would be
just
>fine.
>
>Nigel
>
>----------
>> From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
>> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Furniture money folds
>> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:59 PM
>>
>> In a message dated 6/2/98 2:25:22 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> <<Does anyone have instructions for folding furniture (table, chair
etc.)
>from
>> > money?  I would like to give a wedding gift to someone who, I know,
>needs
>> > furniture!  I should mention that I'll be using Canadian money
which is
>> 2-3/4" x
>> > 6".
>> >
>> > Brenda>>
>>
>> These are not folded with money but you may be able to adapt them.
>> Magic of Origami, Gray/Kasahara - bench, chair and table
>> Origami for Beginners, Florence Temko  - table, chair, bed, sofa,
table,
>stool
>> Fascinating Folds, Vicente Palacios - sofa, armchair
>> Secrets of Origami, Robert Harbin - sofa
>>
>> Have fun!  Barbara
>
>

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From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:16:03 -0400 (
Subject: Thank you

Ed,
   Thank you for responding to my question.  Just a day before I read your
mail, I had found his new book and ordered it. I should get it some time
today. I'm so excited!

                                                             Thanks again,
                                                                       Ian





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:22:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Designer question - seal on rock

>>> From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
>>> Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 10:02 AM
>>>
>>> > I have the book mentioned above I think. The book contains a model
>>"Seal
>>> > on a Rock" without credit to the creator.

Sorry for a late answer. Sergio Gonzalez published such a model
in the OUSA Annual Collection'93. It starts from a preliminary base.
BTW, there's a "walrus on iceberg" by P.Engel, but I don't know
about diagrams.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:22:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Free copy of Freehand 5

At 06:48 PM 98/06/24 +0100, you wrote:
>This will only be of interest to people living in the UK. The current
>issue of PC Format has a free copy of Freehand 5 on the cover CD.
>The magazine costs 5GBP but the retail price of Freehand 5 was something
>like 400GBP.

400GBP sounds a bit excessive. Freehand is now up to version 8 and I got it
for something like US$350.

>I've started using it today, and I must say it really is an excellent
>diagramming package.

I haven't tried version 5, but version 8 is great! The yuan bao diagrams
were done in about an hour in FH8.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:26:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Freehand 5 queries

At 06:57 PM 6/24/98 +0100, David Foulds <fe320473@CR10M.STAFFS.AC.UK> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Can anyone who has used Freehand 5 before help me with a few
>questions?  I've been diagramming my Hummingbird model but have
>run into a few problems:

Version 5 is a few years out of date, but for free, I would not complain
too much.
>
>1) I can't seem to get the text tool working properly; all the text
>   appears squashed and double width.

You are probably fine. Try printing your text, and see how it looks there.
If you accidently dragged on the text box sides, that would alter the shape
of the text.

>
>2) Is there a way to delete a point from a shape?  Say you have a
>   square, and want to remove one of the corners to create a triangle,
>   can it be done?

The oint editing in Frehand is highly regarded. Selecting a point (with the
pointing tool) and hitting "backspace" will do the trick.
>
>3) Conversly, is there a method of adding extra waypoints to a shape?

Plenty of ways of doing that. Select the shape (or path), and hen with the
beizer curve tool, click on the location where you would like the point to
be inserted. Using the other tools will give interesting results.

Marc





From: "jaelle1@swbell.net" <jaelle1@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:29:24 -0500
Subject: Re: no mail

Ohhh giggle. Thank you ,,,, The return addy I got was
not to the list here. Sorry I posted here. My email
sometimes does not give the list as receipient. Just
the person.

Thanks again

Jaelle

jaelle1@swbell.net wrote:

> I am sorry.... Do I know you??? i do not remember
> knowing this address.  Was I supposed to be
> sending you something?
> Lyrics, help with a carving pattern or an origami
> pattern?
> Or just a new friend whose address I do not
> remember?
>
> My appologies .. I get over 400 emails perday and
> unless we have been writing for a long time I do
> not remeber each one.
>
> Walk in Light
> Jaelle
>
> ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > No Mail





From: Frommars@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:00:41 -0400 (
Subject: help!!

can someone please send me the address for the one dollar bill vorkon ship?! I
deleted it by accident!!!





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:21:42 -0500
Subject: Re: help!!

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/

>can someone please send me the address for the one dollar bill vorkon ship?! I
>deleted it by accident!!!
>
If by chance you meant klingon battleship it is on my web page listed above.

Perry





From: David Foulds <fe320473@CR10M.STAFFS.AC.UK>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:48:25 +0100
Subject: Free copy of Freehand 5

Hi everyone,

This will only be of interest to people living in the UK. The current
issue of PC Format has a free copy of Freehand 5 on the cover CD.
The magazine costs 5GBP but the retail price of Freehand 5 was something
like 400GBP.

I've started using it today, and I must say it really is an excellent
diagramming package.

Dave

--
David M Foulds
dmfoulds@bigfoot.com
fe320473@stmail.staffs.ac.uk
http://www.bigfoot.com/~dmfoulds





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:55:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Please help me identify an author/designer...

>At 08:53 AM 6/23/98 -0500,I wrote:
>
>>I just couldn't believe that there wasn't even an author/editor credited on
>>the book. It was really strange. And, I didn't notice it until I got it home.
>>
>
>I didn't even realize I had a version (possibly the plundered original) of
>the book you were discussing.
>
>
If it is indeed the same book - Electra, Seal on a Rock, Lighthearted, a
Chinese Vase, Star Box, Fighter Jet, Seated Figure, Sleepy Dog, some napkin
folds and etc, then the designer of Seal on a Rock is Dr. Martin Wall.

>Sarah
>
>sarah@fredart.com





From: David Foulds <fe320473@CR10M.STAFFS.AC.UK>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:57:22 +0100
Subject: Freehand 5 queries

Hi,

Can anyone who has used Freehand 5 before help me with a few
questions?  I've been diagramming my Hummingbird model but have
run into a few problems:

1) I can't seem to get the text tool working properly; all the text
   appears squashed and double width.

2) Is there a way to delete a point from a shape?  Say you have a
   square, and want to remove one of the corners to create a triangle,
   can it be done?

3) Conversly, is there a method of adding extra waypoints to a shape?

Thank you for any help.

Dave

PS. With any luck the Hummingbird diagram will be on my web site
    by Friday!

--
David M Foulds
dmfoulds@bigfoot.com
fe320473@stmail.staffs.ac.uk
http://www.bigfoot.com/~dmfoulds





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:26:40 -0400
Subject: Furniture & Angel folds

I just picked up Harbin's Secrets of Origami from the Library.  It has a
number of furniture folds which look like they could be adapted for
money.

It also has several angels.

The Dover reprint is less than $15.

--
  E. M. Kort
  Penfield NY





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:30:27 -0400 (
Subject: Re: one-piece omega star & related tidbits

> Does anyone know who the creator of the one-piece omega start is?
> I [Scott] want to teach it this weekend at the Convention.
> ...
> From speaking to Scott Bedrick, he is looking for the creator of
> the model that starts out with the 1/16 hem (used for locking the
> loose edges together). I learned this model years ago, and was
> under the impression it is by Patricia Crawford; would anyone out
> there be able to confirm this (or let us know what the proper
> attribution is)?

The "original" Omega Star was designed by John Richardson, and is diagrammed
(under the title "3D Decoration") in the Spring 1981 BOS Convention program.

The Omega Star, at least in its solid form, is a quasi-stellated rhombic
dodecahedra, i.e., a rhombic dodecahedron with 4-sided pyramids stuck onto
each rhombic face (the term "quasi-stellation" is used to distinguish from a
"true" stellation, which is obtained by extending facial planes of the
original polyhedron).

Another fairly well-known quasi-stellation is the Jackstone (by Jack Skillman,
which appears in one of the Harbin paperbacks), which is formed by erecting a
pyramid on each face of a cube. The Jackstone has 6 points; the Omega Star has
12. Both are spectacular models and it's hard to believe that they're from a
single square.

There are two distinct versions of the Omega Star; Richardson's, and
Montroll's. Montroll sinks each edge to make the pyramids solid, while
Richardson folds each edge to one side, which is considerably easier.

Two of anything start a pattern; and seeing the Jackstone and the Omega star
leads to the question, what other quasi-stellated polyhedra can be realized
with a single sheet? In The Complete Book of Origami, I showed a QS-
cuboctahedron (14 points), but it was from a rectangle, not a square. I've
since done a version from a square, but it's a real bear to fold & I haven't
found a diagrammable folding sequence yet.

But it leads to a family of nice origami problems: fold quasi-stellated
treatments of all the semiregular polyhedra. The solutions I've mentioned
above are the only ones I'm aware of where the points are "long" (by "long", I
take the rather arbitrary definition that the triangular faces of the pyramids
are taller than equilateral triangles).

John has showed that if you sink the points of his star at the penultimate
step and then sink the resulting points again, you get a similar shape but
with 4 times as many points. You can apply this procedure arbitrarily many
times to get arbitrarily many points. Second- and third-generation treatments
of this process look very much like sweetgum balls!

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:59:13 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Chat tonight

My apologies, I just read this, and have
other plans for tonight. Good luck with the chat.

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:00:24 +0200
Subject: Re: Freising bash

Peter,
At 19.44 23/6/1998 +0200, you wrote:

>I'm watching the sky all day !!!
>But I see just birds and planes :(

Well, if they are paper birds and paper planes, you still have a chance......
:-D

Roberto





From: Martin Gibbs <mrg63@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:25:05 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Chat tonight

Any idea what time that is in Greenwich Mean Time, or British Summer
Time. How many hours difference is it?  I could probably work it out by
knowing a major city with EST (is that Eastern Standard Time?).

>Hi All:
>
>Just wanted to invite y'all to a Chat tonight (Wed June 24) same time,
>same place.
>No special topic, just feel like talking!!!
>
>9pm EST       http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html
>
>Kathy <*))))><
>

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From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:44:22 -0500
Subject: Sending attchments to the list (was Re: Freehand 5 queries)
Priority: normal

On 25 Jun 98 at 9:03, Nick Robinson wrote:

> Enclosed a first effort...
>
> [ Section: 1/1 File: birdduck.FH5 UUencoded by: Turnpike Version 3.05 ]

[...]

Please *dont* send attachments, binaries or anything encoded or the like to the
mailing list [this includes HTML email, MS email with its "winpmail.dat"
attachment, any character set more complicated that ISO-Latin and everything
else fancier than just "plain text].

I lot of list members do not have mailers that can deal with that sort of
stuff.  Also, the previous server couldn't handle that kind of stuff in its
digests at all and so -everyone- who got the digest just got
line-noise-gibberish [I don't know if the MIT server handles attachments
fancily in its digests or not, but most folk who get the digests don't "burst"
them anyway: they take the digest so they can get their origami-l in one
'clump' and having a few hundred lines of line noise in the middle isn't so
nice].

So please:  no attachments, no MIME-sections, no fancy fonts, no HTML... just
plain flat text.

If you would like to share a binary or a drawing or the like, either put it on
your web site and just post the URL to the mailing list or ask here and someone
will volunteer space on their web or ftp server, THEN you can publish the
URL...

Thanks!
   /Bernie\
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Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--
