




From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:13:54 +0100
Subject: Fw: question

>
> > Dear Dr. O'Hanlon,
> >
> > We all appreciate your will to help, but please do not send an image by

> > e-mail to the list again.
>
> My apologies to all, I have believed that I had only sent it to one
> address. My jaw dropped when I realised that it had been sent to
EVERYONE.
> Maybe one day this %$#^& email package will start to do some of the
things
> I tell it to.
>
> Apologies again,
>
> Stephen





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:58:18 -0400
Subject: Origami Sighting

Hi all,

Last night on the Hallmark Movie, "What the Deaf Man Heard" the Paster folds
his sermon notes into origami boats and floats them in the baptismal pool.
I think it was just a traditional sampan model.

Sarah





From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:11:51 -0400
Subject: Origami & Joseph Wu Sighting!

Hi folks.  A friend forwarded this to me...I think it's from the company
that does the "windows for dummies"  type books.   Is there an "Origami
for dummies" in the works?

Anyway...glad to know that Joseph is appreciated..

dahlia

>
>****************************************************************
>DUMMIES DAILY(tm) Web After Five Tip
>May 29th, 1998
>****************************************************************

>
>TIP:  SOME PEOPLE HAVE ALL THE TALENT . . .
>
>May 29th, 1998
>
>Joseph Wu, creator of Joseph Wu's Origami Page at
>
>http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca
>
>is certainly one of those people. By day, Wu is a multimedia producer;
>by night, he does things like, say, fold a single sheet of paper into
>an incredibly lifelike lobster, complete with big claws, little claws,
>antennae, and all. On this site, you can see the lobster and much of
>the other origami work he's done: complex stars, everyday objects
>(that are not so everyday when folded out of paper), and even some
>origami animals that were featured in advertisements for a German
>manufacturer of--you guessed it--paper-folding machines. Wu has also
>been kind enough to provide instructions for the would-be origamists
>among you, as well as links to all kinds of other origami sites.





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:36:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Favorite Folds

On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Askinazi, Brett wrote:

> I found the Dimetrodon to be very challenging, to get a single point to
> spiral is one thing but 3 points at once was a little on the heavy side
> for me.

Do them one at a time.  You'll be a happier camper.





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:51:02 -0400
Subject: NO: Undeliverable

To David Mitchell, and others with the same problem:
your messages are getting delivered to the list, but
there is some address on the list that is causing
problems for the list server.

I've had an couple of "undeliverable" system messages
too, but the messages went through to the list anyway,
so I'd suggest not worrying about it unless your message
doesn't show up on the list in a day or less.

The ones I'm getting are
from somebody's Microsoft Exchange server, that for some
reason thinks the the Origami-L address is supposed to
be a local user, or something...

About Peter Budai: a couple of messageges have noted
his difficulties in subscribing to the list.

Could Peter's problem be a code page (character set)
on his system or server? What email program is he
using? Is it set to send plain ASCII text (no formatting,
no HTML, no Microsoft Word format)? Also, some email
programs allow you to specify the "reply to" address.
This can help on networks were people's internal email
address are local aliases or short forms, or if you're
part of a virtual domain...

valerie





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 01:02:47 -0100
Subject: Re: Furniture money folds/and poverty folds

>Does anyone have instructions for folding furniture (table, chair etc.) from
>money?  I would like to give a wedding gift to someone who, I know, needs
>furniture!  I should mention that I'll be using Canadian money which is
>2-3/4" x
>6".
>
>Brenda
>
>p.s I just recently (last week) subscribed to this list and must say I am
>inspired by the world of origami activity that I've discovered.

My Chair in one of the older convention volumes of the Origami Center of
AMerica (now =Origami USA) was conceived as a poverty fold using
subscription cards. But if you've got the dough , it works fine as a dollar
bill fold. (Experiment a bit to get the proportions and to choose the bit
of dollar filigree for the chairback decoration.) Two of them slide to
gether to make a table or bed or cupboard.

Speaking of poverty folds, I'll be teaching another class on poverty folds
(all new original simple-intermediate models) using subscription cards at
this year's OUSA convention . If anyone can bring in a stack of such
obnoxious cards for the Saturday class, I'd be grateful.  If you're tempted
to take it, start saving those cards!

Thanks
Karen
Karen Reeds
reeds@openix.com





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 05:13:12 -0400 (
Subject: Re: NO: Undeliverable

Something odd is ceratainly happening. I received an "Undeliverable" message
from my server in respect of my message last night about Peter Budai's
difficulties in subscribing to the List. Yet the posting came through in any
case, without any further attempt by myself. In fact I didn't know anything
about this until I downloaded my mail this morning.

As for Peter Budai, I suspect that he is being given a "piggyback" by someone,
possible the firm that has published his books. It would be very helpful if
someone would write to him at - Peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu - to obtain more
information from him. It needs someone with technical knowledge of the
workings of servers. Valerie, would you be willing to try?

David Lister

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:24:12 +0200
Subject: Re: What's your favorite model?

On Fri, 29 May 1998, Julian A. wrote:
> Can each one of you send me information and details about what your top
> two or three origami models
>
Today I say  that
the Butterfly by Peter Engel,
the Enterprise by Marc Kirschenbaum and
the Valintine's Heart by Peter Engel
are my favourite models, but this can change next week if I manage
to fold new models.
> -don't send me info about the Kawasaki Rose
>
But it's a very nice model, another favourite.
> There is no excuse for not answering this letter
...

        Julius





From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean_-_J=E9rome_Casalonga?= <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:00:43 +0200
Subject: New Origami Page from the Mad Corsican Folder

        Hello all of you.

Just a quick word to tell you that I'm in the process of having my own home
page.
It is still under construction, but you can have a try at the fllowing
address :
www.mygale.org/07/jjcasalo/index.htm

Remember  : it's under construction, so please be indulgent !

The site i'm on is the french equivalent of Geocities (it let you have a
FREE home page). The nly thing it asks is to update the site at least one a
month.  So, you should be able to see something new every month.

        Note : as some of you know me, I wanted to reassure you that this site
     is
all public !

        JJ Casalonga, the Mad Corsican Folder

Note2 : I wish I had this possibility when I made the COSB some years ago !





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:29:21 +0100
Subject: Re: New Origami Page from the Mad Corsican Folder

>         Hello all of you.
>
> Just a quick word to tell you that I'm in the process of having my own
home
> page.
> It is still under construction, but you can have a try at the fllowing
> address :
> www.mygale.org/07/jjcasalo/index.htm
>
> Remember  : it's under construction, so please be indulgent !
>
> The site i'm on is the french equivalent of Geocities (it let you have a
> FREE home page). The nly thing it asks is to update the site at least one
a
> month.  So, you should be able to see something new every month.
>
>         Note : as some of you know me, I wanted to reassure you that this
site is
> all public !
>
>         JJ Casalonga, the Mad Corsican Folder
>
> Note2 : I wish I had this possibility when I made the COSB some years ago
!

Mad Corsican folder? He's completely off his trolley! The page made me
grin, however :-)

Stephen





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:08:57 +0100
Subject: Re: question

Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT> sez

>> I'll send a .bmp to your individual address if you dont know
>>what I'm on about :)

Much better to send a 2 colour gif - the file is a fraction of the size!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Aaron Tu <aaron_tu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:35:40 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Origami & Joseph Wu Sighting!

Yes, I was wondering why there isn't one? Someone should publish a book
pointing out the "do's" and "don't's" in origami folding. I am sure
everyone has a trick or two of his/her own including myself. For
instance, has anyone wonder what tools Nolan (sp?) uses to fold
Yoshino's T-Rex with 2" squares? I am certainly interested in such
publication. How about you guys? Anyone out there interested in
compiling such book?

Aaron

>Date:         Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:11:51 -0400
>Reply-To:     Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>From:         Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
>Subject:      Origami & Joseph Wu Sighting!
>To:           ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>
>Hi folks.  A friend forwarded this to me...I think it's from the
company
>that does the "windows for dummies"  type books.   Is there an "Origami
>for dummies" in the works?
>
>Anyway...glad to know that Joseph is appreciated..
>
>dahlia
>

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:51:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Paper Katana

Nice explanation, Joseph. Just let me add a comment: my copy of O.Omnibus
has neither swords nor scabbards. Would you please just make sure the
reference is right?

>>From owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Mon Jun  1 22:10 EST 1998
>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>>
>>There are various origami swords and katanas. For example, KASAHARA
>>Kunihiko has a katana (long sword), a wakizashi (short sword), scabbards,
>>and a display rack in his "Origami Omnibus". Katanas are single-edged

Also, David Lister mentioned about an "undeliverable" message by him. Something
alike happened to me yesterday: a message could not be sent to everyone in
the list. Is there something unusual there or should I suspect my system?

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:34:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Paper Katana

At 10:51 AM 98/06/02 -0300, you wrote:
>Nice explanation, Joseph. Just let me add a comment: my copy of O.Omnibus
>has neither swords nor scabbards. Would you please just make sure the
>reference is right?

Carlos, you (and Cathy) are right. It's not in "Omnibus". It's in "Origami:
El Mundo Nuevo". Sorry.

>Also, David Lister mentioned about an "undeliverable" message by him.
Something
>alike happened to me yesterday: a message could not be sent to everyone in
>the list. Is there something unusual there or should I suspect my system?

I'm looking into this. I'll let you all know.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:49:05 -0700
Subject: Re: NO: Peter Budai

At 05:13 AM 98/06/02 -0400, you wrote:
>As for Peter Budai, I suspect that he is being given a "piggyback" by
someone,
>possible the firm that has published his books. It would be very helpful if
>someone would write to him at - Peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu - to obtain more
>information from him. It needs someone with technical knowledge of the
>workings of servers. Valerie, would you be willing to try?

I'm taking care of this. Hopefully it will be easy to sort out.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Daniel B Delgado <origami@GROVE.UFL.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:17:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Furniture money folds

> Does anyone have instructions for folding furniture (table, chair etc.) from
> money?  I would like to give a wedding gift to someone who, I know, needs
> furniture!  I should mention that I'll be using Canadian money which is
     2-3/4" x
> 6".
>
> Brenda
>
> p.s I just recently (last week) subscribed to this list and must say I am
> inspired by the world of origami activity that I've discovered.

Not to sure on the origami folds but I understand what you mean on the
origami list. I subscriubed 2 months ago and am now in the middle of
making a tower that someone recommended to me and also digging through my
old stuff and re-setting up my supplies

     [D]                                                          [D]
O////|B|}}=========================-  -========================={{|B|\\\\O
     [D]         Daniel Delgado          origami@grove.ufl.edu    [D]
               Circa Operator 17         cirop17@grove.ufl.edu
                "Wicker does the same thing to men that the
                            sun does to Dracula"
     [D]                                                          [D]
O////|B|}}=========================-  -========================={{|B|\\\\O
     [D]                                                          [D]





From: "R. Sutherland." <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:27:58 -0400 (
Subject: REMINDER:  Origami Talk TONIGHT!!

Greetings Fellow Folders:

The next scheduled chat is TONIGHT, Tuesday, June 2, at 9PM (EST).
@ the Village:  http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html

Here is the link:    <A HREF="http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html">
Origami Talk</A>

Everyone is welcome to join us!

     Russell : \
RGS467@AOL.com

DARE TO FOLD!!!





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:14:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Paper Katana

At 05:57 PM 98-06-01 -0700, you wrote:

>
>There are various origami swords and katanas. For example, KASAHARA
>Kunihiko has a katana (long sword), a wakizashi (short sword), scabbards,
>and a display rack in his "Origami Omnibus".

Are you sure it's in the Omnibus?  I couldn't find it.

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:05:45 -0500
Subject: Re: katana

You can find an acrobat 3.0 version of Kalei Lundberg's Katana on my
web page.  Thanks again Kalie for allowing me to post it there!

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:10:31 +0200
Subject: New Origami site

                Dear John,

        It's been a loooooooooong looooooong time since your booklet 'Paper
     Play'
(1990 !)

        I'm slowly back on Origami, and for a couple of weeks now, I've been
working on a home Page dedicated to simple Origami.

It is on :    www.mygale.org/07/jjcasalo/index.htm

I think you might like it (it's half paper play, half Pureland Origami, and
half stupid).

I hope you'll like it.  Please note that this site is still under
construction.  It will evolve (in worse) in a near future.

        And if you have any less-than-4-folds origami creation, please
participate.

        I would also like to know if you allow me to use your following models
     for
this site :
        - Flapping Bird (0 fold) - Page 3 of Paper play
        - Bird with Worm (0 fold) - Page 4 of Paper play
        - Paper Erection (0 fold) - Page 6 of Paper play
        - Paper Kiss (0 fold) - Page 7 of Paper play
        - Watch my Lips (0 fold) - Page 8 of Paper play
        - Melody Line (0 fold) - Page 19 of Paper play

I hope to see you soon on a convention (I plan to go in Italy for
December).

                        Sincerely,

        Jean-Jerome Casalonga





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:21:59 -0400 (
Subject: Re: REMINDER:  Origami Talk TONIGHT!!

The whole screen is black except for the words Origami Talk.  What does that
mean.





From: John Sandford's book "The Night Crew":
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:53:14 -0700 (
Subject: Origami sighting

   "He pulled a napkin out of a chrome napkin holder and
   smoothed it on the tabletop. Anna thought he was going
   to write on it, but then he started folding it as he
   talked: L.A. diner origami."

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 08:07:32 +0200
Subject: Re: New Origami site (meant to be private)

OOOPS ! Sorry for the last e-mail sent by me to the list.  It was meant to
be for John Smith.
Now, I understand why so many (stupid) people like me sometimes send
parivate e-mail on the Origami list : they try to get the address of the
guy/girl they want to send a mail to on the origami list.  Then, they click
on the Reply button.
Unfortunatly, the reply address is the Origami List address, not the
person's address.
Well, at least that's what I did !

        Anyway, please forgive me.  You're lucky this mail you all got did not
include some crude words, as I'm used to that.

And, in fact, you should hurry up to let your kids visit my site, as in a
couple of days, it won't be a 'familly' site anymore (but it will still be
acceptable by any open minded person).

        JJ Casalonga,; the maaaaaaad (and sometimes dirty minded) Corsican
     folder.





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:07:20 -0300
Subject: El Mundo Nuevo (WAS Re: Paper Katana)

>>From owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Tue Jun  2 20:29 EST 1998
>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>>
>>Carlos, you (and Cathy) are right. It's not in "Omnibus". It's in "Origami:
>>El Mundo Nuevo". Sorry.

OH NO, another out-of-reach book. I'm still longing for OEMN and O La Era
Nueva (does anyone know why Kasahara-san chose Japanese AND Spanish titles?),
both from Sanrio.
I sure cannot understand why Kasahara's Creative O. is available since
1967 while books IMHO much more interesting like OftC (1985) and
OO (1988, I think) got oop just a few years later. All three by same author,
same publisher (Japan Pubs). Does it mean there's only a market for beginner
books? [Dover Pubs don't count] At least for OftC and OO, hope is
rising in the horizon...

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Alex Barber <barber@ADMIN.CARLBERG.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: Re: REMINDER:  Origami Talk TONIGHT!!

>The whole screen is black except for the words Origami Talk.  What does that
>mean.

The chat still requires a web browser with Java. Barring that, you can just
use telnet to connect to admin.the-village.com or www.the-village.com.
There are some good telnet clients out there for PC and Mac users; Unix
users should have a telnet client at their disposal as well.

Alex

--
tel 713.965.0764 fax 713.965.0135
barber@admin.carlberg.com
barber@the-village.com | http://www.the-village.com

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
numbered.  My life is my own.





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:00:15 -0500
Subject: Re: What's your favorite model?

Lang's Murex shell - Origami Sea Life
Kawahata's dimetrodon - Origami Dinosaurs 2
Lang's Ant - Origami Insects
Montroll's Khuneosaurus - Prehistoric Origami
Montrolls's Gryphon - Mythological creatures and Yadda yadda yadda

> > -don't send me info about the Kawasaki Rose
>
> Er, I like that one too...

Double Err, I like that one also

B R E T T





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:11:55 -0500
Subject: Re: NO: Undeliverable

I noticed a lot of ROUTER outages on the net yesterday.  I received also
some undeliverable that were actually delivered.  Lots of lagtime
between here (St. Louis) and California.

Being a LAN administrator I look at this way;  it's really a wonder that
everything works at all.  And I am always pleasantly surprises when
things go right ;)

B R E T T

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DLister891@AOL.COM [mailto:DLister891@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 4:13 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: NO: Undeliverable
>
>
> Something odd is ceratainly happening. I received an
> "Undeliverable" message
> from my server in respect of my message last night about Peter Budai's
> difficulties in subscribing to the List. Yet the posting came
> through in any
> case, without any further attempt by myself. In fact I didn't
> know anything
> about this until I downloaded my mail this morning.





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:21:14 +0100
Subject: Re: New Origami site (meant to be private)

> OOOPS ! Sorry for the last e-mail sent by me to the list.  It was meant
to
> be for John Smith.
> Now, I understand why so many (stupid) people like me sometimes send
> parivate e-mail on the Origami list : they try to get the address of the
> guy/girl they want to send a mail to on the origami list.  Then, they
click
> on the Reply button.
> Unfortunatly, the reply address is the Origami List address, not the
> person's address.
> Well, at least that's what I did !
>
>         Anyway, please forgive me.  You're lucky this mail you all got
did not
> include some crude words, as I'm used to that.
>
> And, in fact, you should hurry up to let your kids visit my site, as in a
> couple of days, it won't be a 'familly' site anymore (but it will still
be
> acceptable by any open minded person).
>
>         JJ Casalonga,; the maaaaaaad (and sometimes dirty minded)
Corsican folder.

Never mind, the best of us do that. Amusing site never the less. Try
turning your elephant fold upside down to create something that isnt for
the kids. I suppose.

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:02:18 +0100
Subject: Large furniture - paper storage

There has been some discussion on the list of the problems of storing
large sheets of paper. We are doing some clearing out at work, and have
found a chest of drawers with large drawers - 42 in x 32 in (perhaps
used to store technical drawings). We have to dispose of this chest, as
we are short of space.

This chest is located in Birmingham, ENGLAND!!

If anyone is interested in this chest, please contact me PRIVATELY. The
time scale is short, we must dispose of the chest of drawers early next
week. I'm afraid I will not be able to offer assistance with relocation.
You want it, you come and get it!

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:18:13 -0500
Subject: Re: YYEEEEEEEAAHHHHHH

Congrats,

And welcome.
Looks like lotsa people have been waiting for you.

B R E T T

> From: Peter Budai [mailto:peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU]
> Hi you all,
>
> Peter Budai here.
>
> Wow! This was tricky. But finally I could get onto the mailing list.
>
> I'd like to thank you all who offered their help to solve my problem.
> Meanwhile I found the roots of it and it's all okay.





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:39:32 -0400 (
Subject: Re: YYEEEEEEEAAHHHHHH

Welcome, at last, to Peter Budai!  What a strange society we live in where we
communicate daily and almost instantly with people all over the world and ye
one letter - not even a letter, but only an accent above a letter  - can throw
the whole elaborate edifice out of gear!

Anyway, Peter, now you're here we expect great contributions from you. I hope
you will enjoy being with us - I'm sure you will.

David Lister.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:08:00 +0200
Subject: Re: question

Nick,
At 10.08 2/6/1998 +0100, you wrote:

>Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT> sez
>
>>> I'll send a .bmp to your individual address if you dont know
>>>what I'm on about :)

NOT me, Nick.... I just replied to this message sent by another person ! :-)

(But, yes, I agree with you about converting .bmp's to .gif or .jpg before
sending on the Net.)

Bye,
Roberto





From: pat slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:26:29 +0000
Subject: Re: NO: Undeliverable
Priority: normal

> Date:    Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:11:55 -0500
> From:    "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
> Subject: Re: NO: Undeliverable
>
> I noticed a lot of ROUTER outages on the net yesterday.  I received also
> some undeliverable that were actually delivered.  Lots of lagtime
> between here (St. Louis) and California.

I expect most of these can be tracked to all the power outages due to
bad storms and tornados. Expect net behavior will improve soon.
Well...maybe not.

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com
slider@stonecutter.com
stonecutter design
5320 Hwy 49N #2
mariposa, Ca 95338





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:20:36 +0200
Subject: YYEEEEEEEAAHHHHHH

Hi you all,

Peter Budai here.

Wow! This was tricky. But finally I could get onto the mailing list.

I'd like to thank you all who offered their help to solve my problem.
Meanwhile I found the roots of it and it's all okay.

For those who are interested, it was one single letter, the "" to name.
Originally I am named "Pter" and my e-mail provider wrote this into the
"Personal info" part of my program. Several people wrote then that my e-mail
address came through something like this:

        Budai_Pter_<peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu>@mail.datatrans.hu

or this:

 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Budai_P=E9ter_=3Cpeterbud+40mail.datatrans.hu=3E?=@mail.datatra
 ns.hu

I remember there's another variation, too, but I couldn't dig it out of my
mailboxes. Anyway, don't try the above one, because strange things will happen.

Now I changed the "Pter" to "Peter" and...  bingo!

Bye for now, Peter





From: Jules Kavanagh <kavanagj@DIRCON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:00:22 +0000
Subject: Re: What's your favorite model?
Priority: normal

> Can each one of you send me information and details about what your
> top two or three origami models

I would choose the following three origami models:

1) Top would be a traditional boat folded from a Blintz base, page 28
Complete Origami by Eric Kenneway. What I really enjoy is the action
of turning the boat inside-out. It looks best folded from
thin/strong Origami paper coloured on one side where the hoods fore
and aft are striking against the bold coloured side.

2) Pig by Paul Jackson from The Ultimate Papercraft and Origami
book. Although the author describes this as a complex project I would
suggest it was simple. Apart from the angle of the belly this model is
surprisingly forgiving if you have a" bad folding day" - you will
still get IMHO  a good looking pig. As the folds are simple getting
the head to look so good amazes me.

3) Chinese Vase (traditional). I think this is the one that was
discussed on the list a few days ago? It is the the action at in the
final step to turn the flat origami  into a three dimensional
vase that's fun.

Regards,

Jules.





From: Kathie Frano & Kids <KatFrano@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:50:46 -0700
Subject: Idea for a personalized gift box

Hello, I am a new folder, and I came up with an idea I'd like to share with
     this list. It involves using a non-traditional type of paper for folding,
     so if I am offending anyone, I apologize.
Besides my interest in Origami, I am also into digital photography.  I was
     playing around with Adobe Photo Shop, making some almost-abstract patterns
     using a photo of my dog, and applying various filters to the photo.  I
     suddenly thought the patterns woul
I then took a photo of a friend's daughter, made some pretty variations of it,
     and made her a little box out of it; she really loved it!  For anyone out
     there who is into graphics, digital photography, etc, it's a good way to
     combine one hobby with anothe
My home page URL:   http://home.att.net/~KatFrano , then click on "Chihuahua
     Origami" to see the box I made.
To go directly to the origami part of my home page (and skip all the cute
     chihuahua photos!)
click here:   http://home.att.net/~KatFrano/Origami.html#Chihuahua%20Origami

Kathie Frano
KatFrano@worldnet.att.net





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:07:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Katana

Joseph Wu already gave a detailed description of a katana.  However, I was
reading one of my books and thought the following info on how one is
actually made may be of interest:

A sheet of fine steel is hammered thin and then folded into itself and
hammered together.  This process is repeated about 20 000 (not a typo!!) or
more times to make the core of the blade.  The core was then put into a thin
steel sheath with a V-shape cross section.  The two pieces were then
hammered together and made as one.  It takes upwards of 3 months to make a
quality katana.  The result is probably one of the best swords in the world
- extremely sharp, resilient and strong. A single stroke can decapitate a
person.  The sword is about 3 feet long and weighs about 2.5 pounds.

Wayne Ko





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:29:42 -0400 (
Subject: Origami tricks and tools

Aaron wrote and asked about tools and or tricks that people use.
I found a wonderful pair of tweezers that aid in making tiny folds.  They are
made by Gingher and sold at fine needlework stores.  They are large enough to
hold easily, finely pointed and strong.  Also in the sewing supply stores look
for a white plastic tool for marking quilts made by CLOVER that makes a good
creasing tool.  Money saved by "cross-tooling" can go toward more paper.
Barbara





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:59:39 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Furniture money folds

In a message dated 6/2/98 2:25:22 PM, you wrote:

<<Does anyone have instructions for folding furniture (table, chair etc.) from
> money?  I would like to give a wedding gift to someone who, I know, needs
> furniture!  I should mention that I'll be using Canadian money which is
2-3/4" x
> 6".
>
> Brenda>>

These are not folded with money but you may be able to adapt them.
Magic of Origami, Gray/Kasahara - bench, chair and table
Origami for Beginners, Florence Temko  - table, chair, bed, sofa, table, stool
Fascinating Folds, Vicente Palacios - sofa, armchair
Secrets of Origami, Robert Harbin - sofa

Have fun!  Barbara





From: Kathie Frano & Kids <KatFrano@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 06:34:25 -0700
Subject: Idea for a personalized gift box

Hello, I am a new folder, and I came up with an idea I'd like to share with
     this list. It involves using a non-traditional type of paper for folding,
     so if I am offending anyone, I apologize.
Besides my interest in Origami, I am also into digital photography.  I was
     playing around with Adobe Photo Shop, making some almost-abstract patterns
     using a photo of my dog, and applying various filters to the photo.  I
     suddenly thought the patterns woul

To make a gift for a friend, I used a photo of her daughter; she really loved
     it!  For anyone out there who is into graphics, digital photography, etc,
     it's a good way to combine one hobby with another to make someone a gift
     that's uniquely you!
My home page URL:   http://home.att.net/~KatFrano , then click on "Chihuahua
     Origami" to see the box I made.
To go directly to the origami part of my home page (and skip all the cute
     chihuahua photos!)
click here:   http://home.att.net/~KatFrano/Origami.html#Chihuahua%20Origami

Kathie Frano
KatFrano@worldnet.att.net





From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:27:25 -0600
Subject: Re: Furniture money folds

There are some great furniture folds in an old book which was published
originally in 1948! It's called The Art of Chinese Origami by Maying Soong.
I once replied to a message on this listserv by describing the folding
sequence in text which should be followable. Unfortunately, I have no idea
what the subject line was so finding it in the message archives could be
challenging. If you wish I can attempt it again, but you could email me
privately. The fold is a sofa with back, arms and legs. It can be folded
with any size rectangle, or a square so our five dollar bills would be just
fine.

Nigel

----------
> From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Furniture money folds
> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:59 PM
>
> In a message dated 6/2/98 2:25:22 PM, you wrote:
>
> <<Does anyone have instructions for folding furniture (table, chair etc.)
from
> > money?  I would like to give a wedding gift to someone who, I know,
needs
> > furniture!  I should mention that I'll be using Canadian money which is
> 2-3/4" x
> > 6".
> >
> > Brenda>>
>
> These are not folded with money but you may be able to adapt them.
> Magic of Origami, Gray/Kasahara - bench, chair and table
> Origami for Beginners, Florence Temko  - table, chair, bed, sofa, table,
stool
> Fascinating Folds, Vicente Palacios - sofa, armchair
> Secrets of Origami, Robert Harbin - sofa
>
> Have fun!  Barbara





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:33:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ring

A butterfly ring (nice model; make it large and you have a bowtie, complete
with collar) is diagrammed in Mari Kanegae's "A Arte dos Mestres de Origami",
a new book mentioned in a recent post here.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:42:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Katana

Before I respond to Wayne, I should mention that Kalei's katana is very
different from Kasahara's. Have no fear of publishing it as your own! The
technique you used for forming the tsuba is very ingenious. It is, of
course, not in keeping with the actual form of the sword where the blade
and the hilt are contiguous and the tsuba is separate, but who cares? It's
a cool folding sequence. The instructions are a little unclear at points,
though. Step 7 seems unnecessary, and the diagrams in both steps 7 & 8 seem
to be out of proportion. I also could not form the tip of the blade in the
manner you describe. Sorry to be so picky...I like the model, but I thought
some clarification would help in the diagrams.

The rest of this message has nothing to do with origami, but with
swordsmithing. Ignore as desired.

At 12:07 AM 98/06/04 -0700, you wrote:
>Joseph Wu already gave a detailed description of a katana.  However, I was
>reading one of my books and thought the following info on how one is
>actually made may be of interest:
>
>A sheet of fine steel is hammered thin and then folded into itself and
>hammered together.  This process is repeated about 20 000 (not a typo!!) or
>more times to make the core of the blade.  The core was then put into a thin
>steel sheath with a V-shape cross section.  The two pieces were then
>hammered together and made as one.  It takes upwards of 3 months to make a
>quality katana.  The result is probably one of the best swords in the world
>- extremely sharp, resilient and strong. A single stroke can decapitate a
>person.  The sword is about 3 feet long and weighs about 2.5 pounds.

I would think that that is a typo. What happens is this: The metal is
folded up to 15 times. Each time the number of layers double, so that after
15 folds, you have 32768 layers (over 20000 layers). Folding 20000 times
results in a HUGE number of layers! This folded steel was much harder than
other steel and, paradoxically, also had a higher tensile strength. It was
used for the cutting edge of the blade. The rest of the blade was made with
softer steel. (A similar process was used in the west. The so-called
"Damascus steel" was formed by twisting layers of steel together to achieve
the  pressure needed to strengthen it.)

The katana (and the sabres made in Damascus) are cutting weapons. They are
hard and razor sharp, but that meant that they had their drawbacks as well.
They could cut through soft matter very easily, but the edge of the blade
was easily damaged by blows against hard objects (e.g. hard metal armour).
Notice the type of armour that they were used against: cloth, mainly, and
sometimes articulated scale armour that was laced together.

Conversely, European swords did not have a razor edge. They were heavier
and had an edge that was about 1 mm thick. Certainly sharp enough to cut
flesh if swung hard enough, but that was not the primary purpose. These
swords were used against heavier (and harder) armour. The purpose was to
create a shockwave along the line of impact that would spread into the
body. This shockwave would fracture bones and rupture internal organs. Not
a pleasant way to die.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Aaron Tu <aaron_tu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:53:10 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Idea for a personalized gift box

In reply to Kathie Fano's idea of using digital photography for origami:

I recently bought a color jet printer and have similiar idea. I have
visited your homepage and saw the beautiful patterns you designed.
Before I try anything crazy, how do you print those patterns to fill to
the edges of the paper. You see I don't have a paper cutter. Secondly,
the paper for the color jet printer are rather thick (heavy) for
origami. The paper is usually (20+ lbs). I normally use memo paper for
folding. This paper is around 15 lbs (wild guess). I can't find any
paper (8.5 x 11) less than 20 lbs. Anybody have any idea? Even if there
is such paper, will the jet ink wrinkles the paper? Finally, from your
experience, will the white show through the creases.

Aaron

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From: Martin Sidgreaves <sid@PSY.PLYM.AC.UK>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:43:17 +0000
Subject: Butterfly Ring
Priority: normal

I have seen a few pictures of a Butteyfly Ring on the web......does
anyone know if there are any on-line instructions to create it ? If
not could anyone please point me towards a book that contains the
details ?

Thanks in advance

Martin Sidgreaves
Senior Programmer
Psychology Department
Tel: +44 (01752) 233131
Fax: +44 (01752) 233178
http://PSY.PLYM.AC.UK/staff/sid/Sid.html

"Beware of a programmer carrying a screwdriver"





From: rroos@alleg.edu
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:51:56 -0400
Subject:

Kathie Frano wrote:

> Besides my interest in Origami, I am also into digital photography.  I was
> playing around with Adobe Photo Shop, making some almost-abstract patterns
> using a photo of my dog, and applying various filters to the photo. I
> suddenly thought the patterns would make pretty boxes ....

Nice Web page! (Are you fans of Dinky, the Taco Bell dog?)

This reminded me of something I saw half a dozen (or more) years ago in the
premiere issue of a magazine named "Pixel" (I don't know if it is still
published; I only saw it because I received a complimentary free issue when
it started publishing). The author was looking for way to present
three-dimensional views of objects, and hit upon the idea of printing out six
views of an object (front, back, top, bottom, left, right) onto two square
pieces of paper and assembling them into a cube. The model used was something
the author called the "Hosoya Cube"; it's so simple, I can give instructions
for it here.

Start with two squares. Divide each into thirds horizontally and vertically
to get nine subsquares. Fold the four corner subsquares in half diagonally
(or cut off the corner triangle from each) to produce an octagon shape.
Here's an ASCII image (you need a fixed-width font to see this); colons and
periods are crease lines (mountain folds). The five rectangular regions are
all supposed to be squares of length 1/3 the size of the original square.
   _____
  /:   :\
 /.:...:.\
|  :   :  |
|  :   :  |  (make two; corners can be
 \.:...:./    valley folded in
  \:   :/     at 45 degrees or just cut off)
   `---'

In each of the four triangles at the corners make valley folds bisecting
them (the folds extend from the intersections of the mountain folds
perpendicularly to the bases of the four triangles).

You can now collapse the structure along the existing folds to form five
sides of a cube. The triangular areas stick "inside" the cube, out of sight
unless you look at the open end of the cube.

Take two such structures and join them; there are natural "pockets" formed
by the paper sticking inside the cube that let you alternate sides under and
over. The resulting cube is very solid and stable and requires no tape or
glue to hold its shape.

If you want to display six views of an object, print them this way:

+---+---+---+
|   |   |   |  First square:
+---+---+---+
| L | F | R |  Left, Front, Right
+---+---+---+  views, suitably
|   |   |   |  oriented
+---+---+---+

+---+---+---+ Second square:
|   | T |   |  Top,
+---+---+---+
|   | B |   |  Back,
+---+---+---+
|   | b |   |  bottom views, suitably oriented
+---+---+---+

Can anyone supply information on this "Hosoya cube"? Is it a well-known
modular construction? (Surely it is; it's so simple!) Does it go under other
names?

Bob Roos
rroos@alleg.edu





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:42:01 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Katana (NO)

In a message dated 98-06-04 06:44:20 EDT, you write:

> A sheet of fine steel is hammered thin and then folded into itself and
>  hammered together.

Isn't this also a description of the basic process for making a
Damascus Steel blade? The blade ends up with a pattern of
close ripples, due to the many thin layers showing when it is polished.

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Martin Sidgreaves <sid@PSY.PLYM.AC.UK>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 15:16:27 +0000
Subject: Butterfly Ring
Priority: normal

Sorry if this is a repeat message.

I have seen a Butterfly Ring model on several webpages. Doe's anyone
know where the folding instructions are for this model ? Are they
available on the web ?

Any help greatly appreciated

Martin Sidgreaves
Senior Programmer
Psychology Department
Tel: +44 (01752) 233131
Fax: +44 (01752) 233178
http://PSY.PLYM.AC.UK/staff/sid/Sid.html

"Beware of a programmer carrying a screwdriver"





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:51:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami tricks and tools

My favourite tool is a small guillotine/ruler combo. It allows one to cut
in a straight line. Very useful for preparing paper info foldable squares!
I also wouldnt be without some large artists brushes and a pot of water for
wetfolding, A pot of indian ink for blacking out the white side of foil
backed paper, a box of paperclips for module origami and a tube of G**e for
making display pieces of more than one unit permenent. Folks may frown, but
its almost guarenteed that as soon as you display the piece or give it to
someone, it will fall apart. (There is a name to describe this law, but Ive
been told off for using it on Origami-L before)

Yours,

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:53:27 +0100 (
Subject: Re: Origami tricks and tools
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

I also have a little collection of "tools".
This comprises of ...
Two tweezers: One small for fine detail work (origin forgotten) and
one large (obtained from a DIY store).  The large one is handy for
poking inside models to aid sinks, starting straight folds at odd locations
and making some fiddly folds.

A butter knife. Ideal for cutting paper to produce a straight edge.
and..
A pair of smooth-flat pliers (obtained from an art store in the jewelry
section).  I use this for squashing parts of models when they get thick

Paper clips come in handy too (bent and unbent).

--
Andrew Daw                   email:  andrewd@redac.co.uk





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:58:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Katana

> Joseph Wu already gave a detailed description of a katana.  However, I
was
> reading one of my books and thought the following info on how one is
> actually made may be of interest:
>
> A sheet of fine steel is hammered thin and then folded into itself and
> hammered together.  This process is repeated about 20 000 (not a typo!!)
or
> more times to make the core of the blade.  The core was then put into a
thin
> steel sheath with a V-shape cross section.  The two pieces were then
> hammered together and made as one.  It takes upwards of 3 months to make
a
> quality katana.  The result is probably one of the best swords in the
world
> - extremely sharp, resilient and strong. A single stroke can decapitate a
> person.  The sword is about 3 feet long and weighs about 2.5 pounds.
>
> Wayne Ko

To add to the above, A katana is frequently used as a paired sword with a
Wakasahi, a shorter, thicker blade. Although both can be used to strike,
the art of Ni-to-kenjitsu, or paired sword fighting uses the Katana to
strike and the Wakasashi to parry and counter-strike.

A two handed version, a daikatana can be made. This terrible weapon can be
four feet long or more, and combines the weight of european swords with the
added strength of oriental blades. Due to its size, it cannot be
effectively wielded with another weapon.

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon





From: Kathie Frano & Kids <KatFrano@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:50:46 -0700
Subject: Idea for a personalized gift box

Hello, I am a new folder, and I came up with an idea I'd like to share with
     this list. It involves using a non-traditional type of paper for folding,
     so if I am offending anyone, I apologize.
Besides my interest in Origami, I am also into digital photography.  I was
     playing around with Adobe Photo Shop, making some almost-abstract patterns
     using a photo of my dog, and applying various filters to the photo.  I
     suddenly thought the patterns woul
I then took a photo of a friend's daughter, made some pretty variations of it,
     and made her a little box out of it; she really loved it!  For anyone out
     there who is into graphics, digital photography, etc, it's a good way to
     combine one hobby with anothe
My home page URL:   http://home.att.net/~KatFrano , then click on "Chihuahua
     Origami" to see the box I made.
To go directly to the origami part of my home page (and skip all the cute
     chihuahua photos!)
click here:   http://home.att.net/~KatFrano/Origami.html#Chihuahua%20Origami

Kathie Frano
KatFrano@worldnet.att.net





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:07:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Katana

Joseph Wu already gave a detailed description of a katana.  However, I was
reading one of my books and thought the following info on how one is
actually made may be of interest:

A sheet of fine steel is hammered thin and then folded into itself and
hammered together.  This process is repeated about 20 000 (not a typo!!) or
more times to make the core of the blade.  The core was then put into a thin
steel sheath with a V-shape cross section.  The two pieces were then
hammered together and made as one.  It takes upwards of 3 months to make a
quality katana.  The result is probably one of the best swords in the world
- extremely sharp, resilient and strong. A single stroke can decapitate a
person.  The sword is about 3 feet long and weighs about 2.5 pounds.

Wayne Ko





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:29:42 -0400 (
Subject: Origami tricks and tools

Aaron wrote and asked about tools and or tricks that people use.
I found a wonderful pair of tweezers that aid in making tiny folds.  They are
made by Gingher and sold at fine needlework stores.  They are large enough to
hold easily, finely pointed and strong.  Also in the sewing supply stores look
for a white plastic tool for marking quilts made by CLOVER that makes a good
creasing tool.  Money saved by "cross-tooling" can go toward more paper.
Barbara
