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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 02:00:01 +0200
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From: Stephen Hudson <Sah5234@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:54:03 -0400 (
Subject: Re: assembly help!

hey, I devoted about 3 hours last night to assembling my 270 unit Sonobe and
following the instructions Valerie Vann gave me. It worked perfectly. Thank
you Valerie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephen





From: Aaron Tu <aaron_tu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:26:51 -0700 (
Subject: Re: What's your favorite model?

My favorite two origami models are Yoshino's T-Rex skeleton and Wild
Boar. His works gave me great inspiration.

Aaron

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From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:40:39 +0100
Subject: Re: question

I'm a novice at origami. What is a rabbit ear fold. None of my books show
this fold and several of the models I've seen on the internet require this
fold. Needless to say, I can't finish the model. Help!

Thanks Terry

Do you know the fish base? The rabbit ear is the fold that forms the very
first stage. I'll send a .bmp to your individual address if you dont know
what I'm on about :)

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:46:07 +0100
Subject: Re: question

Here's an example of a a rabbit ear fold in simple .bmp. I hope it makes
sense. I'm sure youve seen it in many books; the fish base is formed from
two of these.

If you need another .bpm, I'll try again, or suggest a few books and I'll
tell you a stage in a model which is a rabbit ear fold.

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon





From: Aaron Tu <aaron_tu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:00:01 -0700 (
Subject: Re: copyright, art, craft

In response to the following message, I have the following comment. I do
agree with you the a number of the complex origami are very technical,
mechanical, and mathematical. In that aspect, it's more of a science and
engineering works. However, I beleive origami is not just limit to that.
Regarding to limitation, everything is confind to certain constrains.
Yes, even art. Afterall, I guess it's matter of how you want your
origami to become. Some origami are technically real, however they lack
liveliness. In other words, they are structural and dead. On the other
hand, some origami are not technically real, however, they capture the
essence of the object. They are asthethically beautiful. They are a work
of art. Well, I hope that make sense.

Aaron

>Date:         Sun, 31 May 1998 00:01:53 +0800
>Reply-To:     Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>From:         Paul Ee <pebclhsf@PACIFIC.NET.SG>
>Subject:      copyright, art, craft
>To:           ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>
>In the discussion on copyrights, there are reference to Origami as Art
>or Craft.
>Why not Science or Engineering?
>Here is my two cents worth of layman view.
>
>My impression of Art and Craft is that there are no limitation
>of what can be done. What it takes is just imagination. As in
>painting, you can paint anything. There is no limit on what can
>be painted. It is how good you are at painting that counts. I
>will consider Kirigami as a craft. Just cut the paper and you
>will be able to create anything.
>
>Origami, on the other hand is limited to the number of folds that
>can be obtained from the piece of paper. There is only one way
>to make a line on a paper and there is only a limited number of
>shapes that can be folded. A folder will need to work within
>these limitations, using multiples of these shapes. There are
>something that just cannot be folded from paper, just like trying
>to fold a circle.  Origami is technical in nature. It is
>comparable to Architecture and Engineering. This will explain the
>number of scientists and mathematicians among the top folders.
>It takes a technical brain to make complex models. With this, may
>I suggest that Origami be described as Paper Engineering and
>Origamist, the Paper Engineer.
>And how do copyright applies to a book of technical drawings.
>

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From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:07:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite Folds

-----Original Message-----

> Sealife_.  In many ways, I think they rank amongst his best works...
> perhaps moreso than his insects/other super complex thingies.  Why?
> Because not only are they beautiful, they're also fairly easy to do...
> "anytime, anywhere" origami.  They just *look* intimidating.

The murex shell is one of my favorites, and looks very nice with
paperbacked foil.

> (Nah, the nautilus ain't that hard... I did the Kawahata
> Dimetrodon once,
> figured the nautilus had the same approach... voila... it

I found the Dimetrodon to be very challenging, to get a single point to
spiral is one thing but 3 points at once was a little on the heavy side
for me.





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:15:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Paper Katakana

why not upload it to ftp.rug.nl for everyone to enjoy?

This is the public site that holds a good number of origami diagrams
that are available on the web.

B R E T T

> -----Original Message-----
> From: K.A. Lundberg [mailto:klundber@MNSINC.COM]
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 3:58 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Paper Katana
> I will try to send an attachment to the tanjit address...if
> this is the
> wrong place let me know.
>
> Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@INFOSPACE-INC.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:17:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Furniture money folds
Same story here. Except that I even started going to an Origami 'club' meeting
     every month. Through the meetings, I've met some nice people and talented
     folders. I've been able to finish some otherwise 'too difficult' models,
     thanks to some hands on help.

-g-

Way back when (At 03:55 PM 6/1/98 -0400), James B. Raasch sent me this:
>> p.s I just recently (last week) subscribed to this list and must say I am
>> inspired by the world of origami activity that I've discovered.
>>
>Just a quick aside...
>
>When I signed on this list a few months ago, I had the same experience, and I
>now fold much more frequently than I did at the (previous) height of age 12 or
>so.  I guess it goes to show you that a community like this can really foster
>trenmendous growth.
>
>J.B. Raasch





From: Brenda Gryfe-Becker <gryfebecker.b@PG.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:20:00 -0400
Subject: Furniture money folds

Does anyone have instructions for folding furniture (table, chair etc.) from
money?  I would like to give a wedding gift to someone who, I know, needs
furniture!  I should mention that I'll be using Canadian money which is 2-3/4" x
6".

Brenda

p.s I just recently (last week) subscribed to this list and must say I am
inspired by the world of origami activity that I've discovered.





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:25:02 -0400
Subject: Re: assembly help!

Stephen,

Way to Go!!
Get a photo and let's see if we can scan it
and pop it up on a web page for you.

Valerie





From: Boseditor@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:39:10 -0400 (
Subject: Enigma Cube

Sorry to be a bit slow on this one but I got behind reading the digests - then
got an undeliverable mail message on my first try at posting this!

<<Could anyone here give me some hints on how to assemble the 12 units
of the "enigma cube." (the 12 ones starting as a waterbomb base.)
Is there a subtle way of achieving it, or do I have to use a lot of
paper clips>>

First a bit of history ... my first Enigma Cube was made from just two pieces
of paper. I sent it in some excitement to Wayne Brown who passed it on to Dave
Brill and it came back to me twice as good. So the score is that while the
shape was my discovery (the use of folding as a design tool for the creation
of form is my chief interest in origami) the 12 module method is Dave Brill's.

(For those interested, there is a third way of making the Enigma Cube that
begins with Ed Sullivan's XYZ - heavily precreased and with the normally
inverted corners brought out to form a stellated octahedron in the centre -
and transforms from there in 3D once the modules are together. This method is
the most interesting of the three - and quite the most difficult too!)

But back to the question ... Valerie's advice is good as always. I don't know
of any subtle method. Yes, it can be done without clips - though not easily. I
find it does help if you start forming the curves straight away, rather than
waiting until the model forces you to.

If you do use clips try putting them across the points rather than on the
curved collars. They mark the paper less that way.

There aren't any diagrams, I'm afraid.

Dave Mitchell





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:42:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Paper Katakana

>>From owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Mon Jun  1 15:35 EST 1998
>>From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
>>Subject:      Re: Paper Katakana

Gee, a book with (roman) letters was just published. Now we
have Japanese letters too (sorry, couldn't resist) :)

P.S. katana = sword, katakana = syllabic alphabet for (mostly) foreign
words.





From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:55:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Furniture money folds

> p.s I just recently (last week) subscribed to this list and must say I am
> inspired by the world of origami activity that I've discovered.
>
Just a quick aside...

When I signed on this list a few months ago, I had the same experience, and I
now fold much more frequently than I did at the (previous) height of age 12 or
so.  I guess it goes to show you that a community like this can really foster
trenmendous growth.

J.B. Raasch





From: "Sonia Wu (NC)" <swu@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:16:42 -0400
Subject: NO Re: Peter Budai's Efforts to Join the List

To the technically-oriented people on the list:

Peter Budai recently indicated to me that he is trying for the third time
to join the list.  Could someone please help him?  His address is
peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu (as I learned from this list).  When I receive
messages from him the "from" part comes out in a long string of
stuff; I can't send him a message by just doing the "reply" command
(have to type in his address)--maybe this is the difficulty?

Sorry I can't provide anything else in the way of useful info; it's
something of a miracle that I was able to subscribe to the list myself....

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:10:18 -0400 (
Subject: NO Re: Peter Budai's Efforts to Join the List

Earlier today, Sonja Wu wrote:

> Peter Budai recently indicated to me that he is trying for the third time
>  to join the list.  Could someone please help him?  His address is
>  peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu (as I learned from this list).  When I receive
>  messages from him the "from" part comes out in a long string of
>  stuff; I can't send him a message by just doing the "reply" command
>  (have to type in his address)--maybe this is the difficulty?

I should like to supoport Sonia in this request. I have had the same curious
experience in messages received from Peter. As received from the server, his
address is given as a very long sequence of letters and numbers completely
different from his E-mail address. Before I understood that it was necessary
to use his e-mail address as given in his letter, I tried to reply to him
using this long sequence, but the messages didn't get through. I mentioned it
to him, but apparently he was, himself, unable to do any thing about the
problem.

If therefore, the list server is trying to forward messages to this strange
sequence, which it picks up from the header provided by Peter's server,
instead of to the e-mail address which he gives within his e-mails, then they
won't get through.

As many subscribers will know, Peter Budai of Hungary (now aged 15, I think)
is one of the world's most promising young creative folders and he has already
published several books. He speaks excellent English. If it is possible for
him to join the list, then I think that he should be helped to do so.

But it will require the help of someone with a good knowlege of the workings
of servers, ibncluding this stange variety which is based in Hungary. I do
hope that someone will try to help Peter. An e-mail addressed to him at:
Peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: "Sonia Wu (NC)" <swu@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:40:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Top Three Favorite Models & List Help for Peter Budai

For any technically-oriented folks who can help, Peter Budai is having
trouble joining the list.  His e-mail address is
peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu (he says he's trying to join for the third
time--if it's of any use, I can never respond to his messages by doing the
reply command but have to key in his address).

THREE FAVORITE MODELS:

John Montroll's crab from Animal Origami for the Enthusiast.

Tomoko Fuse's octagonal box (I think the lid is called "little flower or
starry pinwheel--it's the one where she says it's one of her favorites)
from Joyful Origami Boxes.

Michael LaFosse's horseshoe crab from his video "Happy Good-Luck Bats and
Horseshoe Crabs."

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:57:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Paper Katana

At 04:57 PM 98/05/31 -0400, you wrote:
>First I would like to thank publicly the members of this list that have
>assisted me through private e-mail on my problem.  I do think there are
>differences between a katana and other swords. Those are some of the
>questions I have been asked...I don't know much about arms and based my
>design only on the major characteristics I observed in a TV show...the shape
>of the tip, hand guard and hilt for example.  It seems to me that I have
>seen a Calvary like hilt in a sword model somewhere, it may have been
>something I stumbled across while seeking something that looked like a
>katana as I haven't been able to find in my books what I remember <bg>.
>When you get older your mind goes doncha know.

There are various origami swords and katanas. For example, KASAHARA
Kunihiko has a katana (long sword), a wakizashi (short sword), scabbards,
and a display rack in his "Origami Omnibus". Katanas are single-edged
swords used by the samurai (warriors) and soldiers in Japan. They have a
slight curve to them, and have a distinctive guard (tsuba). The swords in
"Omnibus" are quite simple, but quite realistic, lacking only the slight
curve. Like real swords, the tsuba is separate an slides into place. In
Japanese, a slung sword (i.e. that hangs from a belt) is known as a
"tachi". A samurai carries two tachi (the set is called "daisho"). The
daisho consists of a "katana" and a "wakizashi". When not being used, the
daisho is displayed on a special rack. There are other types of Japanese
swords and daggers, of course.

Western swords are typically double-edged weapons and are straight. (Sabres
are curved, single-edged weapons similar to the Japanese tachi.) Typical
western swords are the long sword, the short sword, the claymore
(two-handed sword), and the "bastard" sword (or "hand-and-a-half" sword
since it could be used either one or two handed). In western swords, the
guard ("quillons") are typically forged out of the same piece of metal as
the blade.

If you are interested in Japanese weapons and armour, take a look at "Arms
and Armor of the Samurai" by I. Bottomley and A.P. Hopson.
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From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 19:10:51 +0200
Subject: Re: question

Stephen,
At 11.40 1/6/1998 +0100, you wrote:

> I'll send a .bmp to your individual address if you dont know
>what I'm on about :)

Thanks on behalf of the whole list ! We have received you "private" .bmp,
so if anybody had residual doubts on what a rabbit ear is.... all clear now
! <;-)

Bye,
Roberto
