




From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:27:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Modular Castles

>Sorry, but I had to chuckle at this. It never occurred to me that anyone
>would consider the "triangular holes" a defect.

No need to apologize - I'm always glad to make someone happy (I chuckled a
bit too when I read my message again).  Anyways, I should have been a little
more specific.  First of all, I have a fairly *obsessive* historical streak
in me (some who know me may consider this to be an understatement); when I
see the word "castle" I probably envision a different kind of castle from
what others visualize. I definitely would not see Bluebeard's castle.
Keeping that in mind, here goes...

I didn't call the "triangular holes" a defect - I just said they had to be
incorporated or hiddened within your structure.  In my situation, I was
helping my son design a  historically accurate castle with a keep, outer
walls etc.- and Sullivan's modules were probably not the best choice for
that particular situation.  After the xth archway the castle started to look
like it went through a major siege and hence the source of my problem.  I
ended up designing a lot of extras, such as new modules, stables, outer
walls, miniature knights etc. on my own to give the castle a more authentic
look and scale - too bad, I was short of time and didn't get a chance to add
even more things. I think if you wanted a fantasy and/or creative type of
castle, then Sullivan's modules would be nice and more than adequate.
However, they did not meet the needs of my situation.

I picked up Rozelle's book for the figures and not for the castles.  I'm
always searching for ideas for my historical miniatures and am interested to
see how other people approach the subject.  It was ironic that I found so
many of those other castle pieces that would have made my life so much
easier.  This was after the fact, and I was in no mood to actually build
another castle for the fun of it.  I think for a historical type of castle,
Rozelle's look a lot better and the pieces seem more functional - it would
have saved me a lot of time designing those extras myself.  I would have had
a lot of fun designing a castle with those pieces - maybe one day when that
elusive thing called free time is available...

Wayne Ko





From: jfirestone <jfirestone@MILEHIGH.NET>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 04:19:19 -0600
Subject: new disney movie

hi everyone,

It seems that disney in promoting their new movie "mulan" has decided that
     origami is the way to go. I have been asked by the local children's museum
     to
again demo some origami for their promotional event. and a local ad agency
     working for disney has also requested by help.  I find this interesting,
     since the character of mulan is chinese, I had planned  to make some
     models representive of the culture and
cranes, etc. any suggestions and has anyone else on the list been contacted to
     help with this promotion

david walker





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:44:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Whose model is this!?!?

Sounds to me like the Traditional Chinese vase, I have seen diagrams for
it in one of the Jackson books.

Jackson describes it as, The Traditional Chinese Vase as popularized by
Phillip Shen.

All I have of any of Jackson's books are Photocopies, so I don't have
the Titles (the titles change so much anyway from what I hear).

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Doug Philips [mailto:dwp@TRANSARC.COM]
                Sent:   Sunday, May 24, 1998 5:26 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Whose model is this!?!?

                I have a model that I failed to write down the name of,
nor did I
                record the creator's name.  It is a very simple
vase/box, but so far
                an exhausting linear search of various books has failed
to locate the
                info on it.  I thought that maybe someone on the list
would recognize
                it and fill me in?





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:47:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Where can I find sketches for Demon model online?

The diagrams for the demon are not widely available.  There is a
however, a crease pattern posted on the Tanteidan website.  Crease
pattern only.  It is a devious puzzle at best ;)

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Cheryl Heatherly [mailto:rheather@IX.NETCOM.COM]
                Sent:   Saturday, May 23, 1998 3:12 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Where can I find sketches for Demon
model online?

                Hi! I'm new to the list, and a couple of digests ago I
saw a posting
                regarding the demon model.  It sounded like he had been
folding from
                diagrams that are commonly available, and I was
wondering where to find
                them, since I haven't had any luck looking in the
archives.  Any help
                would be appreciated!  Also, if anyone has knowledge of
a source for the
                book Viva Origami, which I believe is out of print, I
would also be
                eternally grateful.

                Truly,
                Cheryl Heatherly





From: Bob Nienhuis <nienhuis@WGN.NET>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:00:14 -0700
Subject: Re: new disney movie

>hi everyone,
>
>It seems that disney in promoting their new movie "mulan" has decided that
origami is the way to go. I have been asked by the local children's museum to
>again demo some origami for their promotional event. and a local ad agency
working for disney has also requested by help.  I find this interesting,
since the character of mulan is chinese, I had planned  to make some models
representive of the culture and time and of course relating to the movie.
such as dragons,
>cranes, etc. any suggestions and has anyone else on the list been contacted
to help with this promotion
>
>
>david walker

I have some pictures of traditional Chinese modulars on my web page.
They were folded by Carol Stevens with the aid of the Taiwanese
grandmother of one of her students. I also have some pictures of
traditional Chinese paper cutting that I got from UCLA exchange student
from Beijing.

http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/chinese.html

There are diagrams for a Chinese modular Swan in the archives.

Have fun!
Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@wgn.net





From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@RC.RUG.NL>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:22:00 +0000
Subject: Re: Modular Castles
Priority: normal

To make a building with a large roof I added also some modules to the Ed
Sullivan set.
The picture is on: http://www.rug.nl/~maarten/fotos/blucastl.gif

Maarten van Gelder,           RC-ICT RuG,      RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                       Nederland





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:32:26 -0400
Subject: new disney movie

The traditional "Treasure Junk" or "Offering Boat"
might be a good one. It is a very ingenious fold
(gets turned inside out at one point), and actually
floats quite well when made of foil paper.

And there's waterbombs, jumping frogs, the
charcoal brazier (traditional box with legs),
pagodas...

Most of these are in Kenneway's "Complete Origami"
book.

valerie





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:24:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Whose model is this!?!?

Askinazi, Brett indited:

> Sounds to me like the Traditional Chinese vase, I have seen diagrams for
> it in one of the Jackson books.

That'd be the "Step-by-Step Origami" book by Jackson?  (Or one of the variants
(or maybe this one is a variant... Aiiiiieeeeeeeee Am I the clone or the
original??? but I digress))

Similar looking models (both vases), but the Shen/Traditional one has pleats in
both book fold directions, the one I'm hunting for doesn't.

Thanks,
        -D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:54:53 -0100
Subject: Japanese culture: Seen on an NTT web page (Nippon Telephone &

My husband sent this on to me.
>Subject: Seen on an NTT web page
>
>   1985
>       Melody telegrams introduced
>       Night-time telegrams were reviewed and night-time delivery was
>restricted to emergency fixed-text telegrams
>       sent between 7 PM and 8 AM.
>   1986
>       Flower telegrams (congratulatory or condolence telegrams)
>       Pressed-Flower Telegram Service Begins
>   1987
>       Embroidered telegrams and deluxe pressed flower telegrams introduced
>   1988
>       Hiragana telegrams introduced
>       Melody voice telegrams
>   1991
>       Night-time telegrams reviewed
>       "Great Chrysanthemum" Embroidered Condolence Telegrams
>       Deluxe Melody Telegrams
>   1992
>       Lacquered Telegrams
>       Melody Pressed-Flower Telegrams
>   1993
>       'Memorial Flower' Condolence Pressed-Flower Telegram Offered
>       'Harmony Chrysanthemum' Condolence Telegram Offered
>   1994
>       Telegram Service Introduces Use of 'Kanji' Characters
>       J League Melody Telegrams
>
>But not, it seems, Origami Telegrams.  Yet.





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:49:57 -0400 (
Subject: CHAT INFO... and Reminder.

Fellow Folders:

Just wanted to remind anyone who may be interested that  "Origami talk" has a
scheduled chat TONIGHT @ the Village...  TUESDAY ...9PM (EST).

If you tried last night to access the room and were unable to get in, the
problem has been fixed.  ( THANK YOU, Alex)

For those interested Brits, Italianos, Frenchman, etc...  I would very much
like to schedule a chat at a time that would be most suitable for all who are
willing to participate.  Please let me know what time would be most
convenient, and I will be glad to arrange the chat (and attend)  : )

Alex wanted me to remind all of you all that even if you don't have a java-
happy browser, you can still participate via Telnet... I am reposting Alex's
information on  to clarify any questions.  Alex is still currently working on
a logging applet which will allow us to post the Origamichat.logs on the WWW.
Thanks, Alex, youdaman!

Alex Barber wrote:

>If you have telnet, you can connect to the chat server at www.the-village.com
with >anything that handles a telnet connection. The commands seem similar to
an IRC >setup.

>To repeat, if you have telnet capability and don't want to use a browser to
>connect to the chat, telnet to www.the-village.com or
>admin.the-village.com. You'll be prompted to type in your nickname (type
>/nick followed by your name). Once the automatic greeting from the server
>comes up, just type /list to see the rooms (currently just origami). Type
>/join origami to enter the origami room and have fun.

>Hopefully this will open things up for people who may just have email on a
>shell account or who don't like/have Java. Telnet is generally installed w/
>Unix, and there are plenty of telnet applications for PCs and Macs.

Roberto has convinced me to DL mIRC for testing purposes... in the quest for
the "perfect chat network."   I will be touching base with him further on this
matter, and we will keep everyone posted as to our progress.

In the meantime,  I am looking forward to tonight's chat @ the Village.

Here's the link:  <A HREF="http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html">
Origami Talk</A>

and the URL:  http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html

TONIGHT.... TUESDAY...  MAY 26 ....  9PM (EST)...  and BYOT
(bring.your.own.topic)....  maybe folding food?

Russell :\
RGS467@AOL.com

DARE TO FOLD!!!





From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:25:18 +0200
Subject: Re: new disney movie

Hi All,

Maybe you could also fold an easy cricket; since it appears in the film.
Check out: Http://www.disney.com/disneypictures/mulan/index.html

That reminds me: I once tried to fold the character "Panic" from Disney's
"Hercules" (that is the little green creature; I always mix Pain and Panic
up). I got quite far but got stuck at the wings. Maybe I will try a second
attempt these days.

And coming back to "Mulan"; maybe folding fans would be a nice idea...

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@Student.kun.nl)





From: Ian & Karen Mitchell <paris@ACCESSIN.COM.AU>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:17:02 +0800
Subject: Re: whose model

No author given but the box you describe accurately is in Harbins More
Origami (The art of paper folding number 2 ISBN 0 340 15384 9) under the
title of Shapes!!!
Yep gorgeous pretty little box it is too!
Ian
D'gou wrote:

>Anywho.  Start with square, blintz.  Turn over and do all the cupboard
>folds.  Collapse into a windmill base.  In each corner of the model
>there is a square which is a lot like a preliminary base.  Fold each half of
>the top layers into the diagonal of each of the four squares, as if you were
>precreasing for a petal fold.  Instead, squash each of those flaps,
>symmetrically on the fold lines just made.  I have seen this form called a
>coaster (traditional model?)  As a result of all those squashes, there
will be
>four pointy points at the center of the model.  Fold those outward (they will
>be pinned by the raw edges of the paper flattened in the squash.  This will
>leave four fairly blunt tips at the center of the model.  Fold those outward
>(they will be pinned by the folded edges formed in the previous step.  This
>will leave a central square which is like a window on the bottom most layer
>of the model.  Valley fold along those edges (this will define the base of
the
>box/vase).  Pop the model into 3D by reaching into each corner and inflating
>it, then from the outside of the corner squeeze the layers flat (this
>flattening will be making a plane perpendicular to the previously flat model.
>

|--------------------------  Ian & Karen  ---------------------------|
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|IRC:        #autism on StarLink-IRC.Org, #quiz on oz.org            |
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* Paper..fold..pleat..crinkle..scrunch..toss..Abstract Origami Ball! *





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:57:46 +0100
Subject: Re: Devil - An additional comment

> > 2 The nearest I can call a publicly-available, legal, ethically ok
source
> > of diagrams (well, almost) for the FULL demon:
www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/
> > People/MAEK0/Bunko/Animal/index-e.html ...

Just a quick comment...
On this page, a winged bovine creature (associated with Santa Claus) is
described as a 'Frying Reindeer'. Makes your mouth water, eh?

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:59:18 +0100
Subject: From Angelfish to Zen

> Hi all,
> I've just had a dozen or so books delivered to me from Amazon, and the 8
> week wait for shipping from the States to the UK was worth it. The
Montroll
> and Lang books were up to their usual high standards...I finally have a
> complete set of them all (possibly...pending new releases), and a few
books
> from new authors that I had not yet come across. The best of the lot was
> Engel's From Angelfish to Zen. For anyone interested in origami, with a
> _bit_ of experience under their belt, then this book is an absolute must.
> I have not had a chance to fold the models, but they appear to range from
> the simplistic but stylish to a degree of complexity which seems pleasing
> to a Lang fan like myself. The best part of the book seems to be the
first
> half, giving a fascinating analysis of origami, from the history,
> progressive thought and the theory of origami. The 'Zen' part of the
books
> does not refer to a model (how do you fold a zen anyway), but rather the
> whole ethos of an exquisitly written book. Best of all are the different
> ways of writing the words 'origami' and japanese for 'paper folding' in
the
> margin...for example, writting the word so that it appears an a mirror
> image (i mean so that 'ami' appear as a flip of 'ori') and so that the
> Japanese symbols replace the letters 'riga', yet still leave the word
> legible! Am I gibbering? Probably, but get hold of this book and you'll
see
> what I mean!
>
> Dr S.G. O'Hanlon
> PS : What am I doing talking to you lot.?..I've got models to fold...





From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:27:52 -0500
Subject: Re: From Angelfish to Zen

>> progressive thought and the theory of origami. The 'Zen' part of the
>books
>> does not refer to a model (how do you fold a zen anyway),

Simple:

        Start with no paper.
        Fold it an infinite number of times

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





From: MORGANA <la.llibreria@BCN.SERVICOM.ES>
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:20:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Book advice

Rodrigo A. Pantoja wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
>     I was wondering what books (hopefully still in print) should I add
> to my (small) collection and decided to tell you which ones I have and
> ask for your advice.  I currently own - in alphabetical order of titles:
>
> - 3D Geometric Origami - Modular Polyhedra by Rona Gurkewitz and Bennet
> Arnstein
> - Brilliant Origami by David Brill
> - Joyful Origami Boxes by Tomoko Fuse
> - Kusudama - Ball Origami by Makoto Yamaguchi
> - Mathematical Origami by David Mitchel
> - Mette Units by Mette Pederson
> - Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac in Origami by John
> Montroll
> - Origami from Angelfish to Zen by Peter Engel
> - Origami Insects and Their Kin by Robert Lang
> - Origami Sea Life by John Montroll and Robert Lang
> - Origami Zoo by Robert Lang and Stephen Weiss
> - The Complete Book of Origami by Robert Lang
> - Unit Origami - Multidimensional Transformations by Tomoko Fuse
>
>     I'm very interested in modular origami, so a few recommendations on
> that subject would be great, but please don't forget the "traditional"
> approach which I also like a lot.  Thanks to you all.
>
> Peace,
> Rodo.-
> mailto: rpantoja.santiago-de-chile@sinvest.es

Dear Rodo.
In your list there are only books in inglish.
The spanish fold tradition is very important, there are a lot of books
in spanish very interesting.
If you want that I send you a list of spanish books reply this e-mail.

Ah! and if you want to know where to achieve this books tell me it too.

Atentamente
Nicolas Jenson.





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:13:05 -0400 (
Subject: Origami talk:  May 26... POSTED

Grettings Fellow Folders:

Thought you might want to read last nite's chatlog....what I could post of it.
Very interesting.

Here is the link:   <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/RGS467/oritalk.html">
Origami talk Chat Log:  May 26</A>

Here is the URL:   http://members.aol.com/RGS467/oritalk.html

Great topics, all!!!   Conventions.... more of folding food...  favorite money
folds... and more suggested books and models....   Enjoy!

       Russell: \
RGS467@AOL.com

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:13:43 -0700
Subject: Origami Mobiles, Displays

Hi All:

As some of you know, I've been invited to make an Origami display for our
local Barnes & Noble (book store).  I've been trying to get ideas for some
display concepts from different folks on this list (love the clothesline
for the miniature clothes!).  I also planned to do a mobile with the
traditional crane and have made 10 models for this purpose.  Now:

What kind of thread have y'all used to hang the models?  Fishing line seems
attractive, but would probably coil up since the models aren't heavy enough
to pull the thread straight.

Do you weight the models to give them more stability?  What do you use?
I've considered artist's clay, sand, pennies...?

Is there a method to the counterbalancing of the various dowels used for
the different sections of the mobile?  I went to our local crafts store
(Michael's, a U.S. chain) and though they have made a quantum leap and now
carry Origami paper (all one size, 6" - no books), there were no books on
building/assembling mobiles.

All input will be appreciated!

Origami:  "Stop Drop and Fold!"
Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Edward Crankshaw <ejcranks@HIWAAY.NET>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:28:15 -0500
Subject: Origami Sighting

Good day,

For all of those of you which have Krystal Restaurants, they have a new
commercial where the hamburger box takes on the shape of two origami
models.

I've only seen it the once and can't remember the models at the moment.
I think one was an airplane or rocket in 3D.

Enjoy,

- Ed





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:52:05 +0100
Subject: Re: Diagram Index

Dahlia <dahlias@bu.edu> wrote:

>Hi folks.  For those of you who recall, we were all tossing about an
>idea about making an easily browsable index of origami diagrams
>available both on and off the web.   Julius compiled a huge list of
>diagrams on the web, and I am now trying to write up an interface.
>
>I have attached the highest level interface that I'm thinking of using &
>would like critiques.  I have attached it as an html source file.  I
>think  most new-ish browsers should accept it as such.  If not, please
>let me know.
>
>Specific questions:
>
>Does this seem like a good way of organizating models?
>
>Are there categories, subcategories I should add?
>

Thanks Dahlia, for this brave attempt! I miss one important category: plants &
     flowers. Funny that someone bearing a name like Dahlia should miss this
     one out!
I would also like to add 'furniture' as a subcategory under 'buildings' (how
     about 'wallpaper' :-) , as well as a broad category 'usable folds' with
     subcategories like 'toys', 'wrappings and envelopes', 'boxes', etc.
Please make models available under ALL applicable headings (no strict
     hierarchy), so f.i. the Magic Rose Cube under 'flowers' and ALSO under
     'modulars'.

Lots of success!

Sjaak

Sjaak Adriaanse
email: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net
----------------------------------
"Any sufficiently advanced political correctness is indistinguishable from
     irony."
Jane Hawkins





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:16:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Whose model is this!?!?

Hi

I think the Traditional Chinese Vase is also printed in
the book "30 Origami Designs" will look up ISBN. It should
be still in print. A very nice origami book.

        Julius





From: Peter Mielke <pmielke@FMCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:38:16 -0400
Subject: Origami Taxonomy
Gnu-Emacs: freely redistributable; void where prohibited by law.

Dahlia <dahlias@bu.edu> wrote:

>Hi folks.  For those of you who recall, we were all tossing about an
>idea about making an easily browsable index of origami diagrams
>available both on and off the web.   Julius compiled a huge list of
>diagrams on the web, and I am now trying to write up an interface.

Putting together a taxonomy is very difficult and everyone has their own
classification system. I would suggest allowing for multiple taxonomies.

Categories of taxonomies could be:

* difficulty
* type (modular, square, non-square)
* "animal, vegitable, mineral" (this is the tough one) :-)





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:36:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Mobiles, Displays

Steve asked:
>What kind of thread have y'all used to hang the models?
>Fishing line seems attractive, but would probably coil up
>since the models aren't heavy enough to pull the thread straight.

I seem to recall seeing a sewing thread similar to fishing line
but much finer. It may be light enough that the weight of a
crane will pull it straight. Or you might consider using visible
thread that will look nice: embroidery floss or very fine cotton
yarn that is color coordinated with your paper or sticks. Or,
if you have control over what color will appear behind the
mobile, match your thread color to that so it won't be as
visible.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Peter Mielke <pmielke@FMCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:38:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Mobiles, Displays
Gnu-Emacs: a compelling argument for pencil and paper.

Steve writes:
> What kind of thread have y'all used to hang the models?  Fishing line seems
> attractive, but would probably coil up since the models aren't heavy enough
> to pull the thread straight.

You could use dental floss; it is light and pretty strong (i've used it to
sew up tubular tires). But it is white which may not be to your taste.

> Do you weight the models to give them more stability?  What do you use?
> I've considered artist's clay, sand, pennies...?

I think clay would be best

> Is there a method to the counterbalancing of the various dowels used for
> the different sections of the mobile?  I went to our local crafts store
> (Michael's, a U.S. chain) and though they have made a quantum leap and now
> carry Origami paper (all one size, 6" - no books), there were no books on
> building/assembling mobiles.

using this example taken from a recent internet oracle ocularity:

}
}                                                |
}                                                |
}                             ________________________________________
}                             |                                      |
}                             |                                      |
}            ________________________________                    Aristotle
}            |                              |
}            |                              |
}    _________________                  __________
}    |               |                  |        |
}    |               |                  |        |
}  Plato    ____________________       Kant    Hegel
}           |                  |
}           |                  |
}       Descartes            Mill
}

Start at the bottom and find the balancing point (here between Descartes
and Mill) and then go up one level finding the balancing point between
Plato and the previous level. Just continue up until you are done; each
balanced node based on previously balanced nodes.

Hope this helps...





From: Andy Carpenter <Andy.Carpenter@MCI.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:58:03 -0600
Subject: Request for help to get diagrams for sheep to archives
Importance: Normal

Thank you to everyone who volunteered to dry run the diagrams for my sheep.
I have incorporated the comments/suggestions of many of you into a new
version of the diagrams.

However I am having difficulty figuring out how to get the diagrams onto the
Origami Interest Group. If someone could email me privately
(Andy.Carpenter@mci.com) with the details I would appreciate it.

Thanks





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:13:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Diagram Index

I'm a little confused about the Diagram Index project
under discussion here lately. I suspect no other "old
timers" have replied yet because most are heavily involved
in the preparations for the New York Convention, so here
goes.

I assumed at first that what was being proposed was an
index of model diagrams available ON THE WEB. However, it
now sounds like a comprehensive index.

Are those discussing this not aware that there is an
extensive index of origami models already done, and
still being added to? It was begun years ago, and there
are several web access points to it, including an on-line
search form, and it is also available in print form from
the OUSA Supply center.

This index uses a catagory system developed as a result
of much thought and work over years, and currently includes
all the models in virtually every significant publication.

The existing model index can be searched by author/creator,
a long list of model subject, by paper/material type,
starting base, model name, difficulty, etc. etc.

It seems to me that rather than reinventing the wheel, it
would be more productive to coordinate with the operators
of this existing index and see about contributing to it
(where information has been compiled about printed diagrams),
and/or discussing whether additional fields could be added
to that database to include web links for web published
diagrams.

The main OUSA link to this index is:

http://www.origami-usa.org/modelindex.htm

I strongly suggest that anyone who doesn't know about this
index check it out before proceeding with what may turn out
to be a massive duplication of effort.

Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com





From: Carol Martinson <carolm48@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:13:50 -0700 (
Subject: Thread For Mobiles

     I use crochet thread to hang origami models.  Since I have only
suspended models for displays or as Christmas ornaments, crochet thread
has worked very well.  I use several different shades with gold or
silver threads entwined in the thread and match the thread color to the
model.  Usually ecru with gold blends the best.  In my opinion,
embroidery thread would be too soft to hold up in a mobile.

     Other people may come up with better suggestions for colorless
threads or better weights for your purposes.

     Carol Martinson

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From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:36:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Mobiles, Displays

I have made a variety of mobiles, using a variety of threads/strings:
cotton or blend crochet thread (comes in several weights), quilting
thread, knitting yarn and regular sewing thread.  It depends on the
weight of your 'suspension bars' or whatever they're called and the
weight/size of your models.  I have used thin hobby wire which is
virtually impossible to cut, but doesn't bend much, regular wire for
home electricity, .25 inch wood dowels, popsicle sticks, and
toothpicks.

I used the wood dowels and popsicle sticks with yarn when I made the
mobiles with children.  I used toothpicks and sewing thread when I made
a mobile of cranes out of 1 - 2 inch squares.

Quilting thread and crochet thread are fairly sturdy and a good weight
and come in a variety of colors; I usually use black.  You could also
try beading thread which you should be able to get at a craft store that
sells beads.  You can also knot them since the crochet and sewing
threads are cotton/polyester based and the bead thread may be silk,
knotting can be a challenge with nylon thread.  A sewing needle comes in
handy to string the models.  I also recommend putting a dot of glue
where the string fastens to the bars once you have it balanced.  You may
also want to put a dot of glue where you thread the model so the hole
doesn't enlarge.

I have also used 20 - 24 weight paper for some of the models to give it
some weight.  You may want to check out where your mobile will be hung
to see what the air currents are like.

Good luck!
--
  E. M. Kort
  NY





From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:52:56 -0400
Subject: Re: mobiles

As I remember from a friend's daughter's math homework, you can
calculate the balancing points of a mobile as follows.

Starting at the bottom level
The string divides the rod into two parts (not necessarily equal),
a left part and a right part.
There is a model hung from the left end of the rod and another
hung from the right end of the rod.

In order for the rod to be level, and so, in balance, the weight of
the left model times the length of the left part of the rod must
equal the weight of the right model times the length of the right
part of the rod.

Apply the same procedure at the next level up where the weight on
the left side times the length of the left side equals the total
weight on the right side times the length of the right side.

Hope this is useful.

Rona





From: "R. Sutherland." <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:55:29 -0400 (
Subject: Fwd: Origami talk:  May 26... POSTED

Greetings Fellow Folders:

I don't think this Email went through the first time... I apologize if it has.

Thought you might want to read last nite's chatlog....what I could post of it.
It's pretty  interesting.

Here is the link:   <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/RGS467/oritalk.html">
Origami talk Chat Log:  May 26</A>

Here is the URL:   http://members.aol.com/RGS467/oritalk.html

Great topics, all!!!   Conventions.... more of folding food...  favorite money
folds...  more suggested books and models....  and a lot of other strangely
related stuff.

       Russell: \
RGS467@AOL.com

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:53:28 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Diagram Index

In a message dated 98-05-27 04:19:47 EDT, you write:

>  f.i. the Magic Rose Cube under 'flowers' and ALSO under 'modulars'.

And 'action model' or whatever category the "Flapping Bird" and
the "Magic Tipper" are in, and 'magic tricks';

with  cross-references to "Valerie Vann" as author, and
"Sonobe Module" as an ancestral fold.

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:30:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Diagram Index

Thanks for all the good feedback (accepting more as it occurs to you!)

I wanted to address Valerie Vann's comments re the OUSA database:

Valerie Vann wrote:

>
> Are those discussing this not aware that there is an
> extensive index of origami models already done, and
> still being added to? It was begun years ago, and there
> are several web access points to it, including an on-line
> search form, and it is also available in print form from
> the OUSA Supply center.
>

Sorry for any confusion.  I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes.  This
was brought up when this thread began back in mid-March.  Also, Ariel
was kind enough to send me the flat-text heirarchy structure & field
explanations of the OUSA index.  I have been looking at the structure
and have some thoughts--but no conclusions.

First:  Julius began to catalog web diagrams--and it is this catalog
that I plan to begin with.  In the interest of facilitating the origami
universe, I'd like to do this in a way that is compatible w/ the
structure used in the OUSA index.  I'm toying w/ a few ideas on this.

Second:  One thing I know I've wanted to see is a more browsable type of
database--  i.e.  Gee...I feel like folding something.  I wonder what
neat models are out there that I haven't yet folded...
(not quite the right word)...for casual browsing rather than for
comprehensive, encyclopedic categorization.   Again, tho, I'm hoping to
make everything compatible w/ the OUSA database.

I suppose (having written this...) that what I'm thinking of is sort of
like a window from another viewpoint onto the same scene--the scene
being the massive flat-text db format set up for OUSA.

> It seems to me that rather than reinventing the wheel, it
> would be more productive to coordinate with the operators
> of this existing index and see about contributing to it
> (where information has been compiled about printed diagrams),
> and/or discussing whether additional fields could be added
> to that database to include web links for web published
> diagrams.

Again, I'm less interested in "reinventing the wheel" than in trying to

(a) get web diagrams cataloged
(b) provide a slightly dif't perspective on existing information

>
> I strongly suggest that anyone who doesn't know about this
> index check it out before proceeding with what may turn out
> to be a massive duplication of effort.

If you are interested in more detailed info, let me know via e-mail.  I
don't want to clog the list-serve with unnecessary details.

Sorry for any confusion.

peace,

dahlia





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:38:10 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami Mobiles, Displays

Peter,
At 11.38 27/5/1998 -0400, you wrote:

>using this example taken from a recent internet oracle ocularity:

>Start at the bottom and find the balancing point (here between Descartes
>and Mill) and then go up one level finding the balancing point between
>Plato and the previous level. Just continue up until you are done; each
>balanced node based on previously balanced nodes.

One further hint: once you have found the balancing point, put a droplet of
cyanoacrylate glue on it to prevent sliding, then go up (when the glue is
dried).

Roberto





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:46:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Step by Step

Hello Everyone:
Kim's Crane has just received in stock Origami Step by Step authored by Robert
Harbin.  In may be viewed by opening up the section, "New Items" on our
     homepage.

Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





From: Rob Hudson <rhudson@NETRAX.NET>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:38:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Diagram Index

A few weeks ago, I proposed (and built a prototype for) an origami database
focusing on models, much like the model index.  The idea was a graphical
"front end" with pictures of models and links to creators and sources (e.g.
books and diagrams).  I don't know how big it could get, but my planned
platform (at least initially) was MS-Access.  With design help from Howard
Portugal, and significant entry from folks like Stuart Glaser, we have a
pretty decent framework.

It seems more to fit your style-- I'll have to post entities and
relationships, or maybe start a web page. I plan on holding a session about
it on Monday (techniques day) of the Convention.  In glancing at the model
index created by V'ann, I can see some differences in ours already-- we're
a bit more basic.

Stand by for more info as convention approaches!!

Rob

At 08:30 PM 5/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for all the good feedback (accepting more as it occurs to you!)
>
>I wanted to address Valerie Vann's comments re the OUSA database:
>
>
>Valerie Vann wrote:
>
>>
>> Are those discussing this not aware that there is an
>> extensive index of origami models already done, and
>> still being added to? It was begun years ago, and there
>> are several web access points to it, including an on-line
>> search form, and it is also available in print form from
>> the OUSA Supply center.
>>
>
>Sorry for any confusion.  I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes.  This
>was brought up when this thread began back in mid-March.  Also, Ariel
>was kind enough to send me the flat-text heirarchy structure & field
>explanations of the OUSA index.  I have been looking at the structure
>and have some thoughts--but no conclusions.
>
>First:  Julius began to catalog web diagrams--and it is this catalog
>that I plan to begin with.  In the interest of facilitating the origami
>universe, I'd like to do this in a way that is compatible w/ the
>structure used in the OUSA index.  I'm toying w/ a few ideas on this.
>
>Second:  One thing I know I've wanted to see is a more browsable type of
>database--  i.e.  Gee...I feel like folding something.  I wonder what
>neat models are out there that I haven't yet folded...
>
>To that end...the index I'm working on is intended to be more...informal
>(not quite the right word)...for casual browsing rather than for
>comprehensive, encyclopedic categorization.   Again, tho, I'm hoping to
>make everything compatible w/ the OUSA database.
>
>I suppose (having written this...) that what I'm thinking of is sort of
>like a window from another viewpoint onto the same scene--the scene
>being the massive flat-text db format set up for OUSA.
>
>
>
>
>> It seems to me that rather than reinventing the wheel, it
>> would be more productive to coordinate with the operators
>> of this existing index and see about contributing to it
>> (where information has been compiled about printed diagrams),
>> and/or discussing whether additional fields could be added
>> to that database to include web links for web published
>> diagrams.
>
>Again, I'm less interested in "reinventing the wheel" than in trying to
>
>(a) get web diagrams cataloged
>(b) provide a slightly dif't perspective on existing information
>
>>
>> I strongly suggest that anyone who doesn't know about this
>> index check it out before proceeding with what may turn out
>> to be a massive duplication of effort.
>
>
>If you are interested in more detailed info, let me know via e-mail.  I
>don't want to clog the list-serve with unnecessary details.
>
>Sorry for any confusion.
>
>peace,
>
>dahlia





From: MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 <MSPARKS@PINKERTONS.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:23:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Taxonomy

Categories of taxonomies could be:

* difficulty
* type (modular, square, non-square)
*  Subject ("animal, vegitable, mineral" (this is the tough one) :-))
How about something between type and subject to indicate whether it is
     realistic looking or not
For example The differnence between Kawasaki's rose (OftC pg 128) or
     Kawasaki's kitten, (OftC pg 94)
The rose is very realistic, while the kitten is extremely caricatured.   Some
     kind of Caricature to Realism ratio, so that when you are looking   for a
     model of a specific style ,you can just look at the kind you want.

Matthew M. Sparks
Sr. UNIX Systems Administrator
Pinkerton
15910 Ventura Blvd. Suite 900
Encino, CA  91436
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From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:06:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Diagram Index

I did a search on the author's name of Kawahata, on the OUSA site and
came up with only one model.

The dates on the files at  <ftp://ftp.rug.nl> ftp.rug.nl are from 1995.
It needs some additions at best.  It also does not contain ISBN numbers,
making foreign language books very difficult to find.

I agree however, that they should try and collaborate with the
owners/originators of the index to update it and add some improvements.

Effort however, should go into a catalog of diagrams available on the
web.  Either as an addition to the index or as a separate project.

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Valerie Vann
[mailto:valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM]
                Sent:   Wednesday, May 27, 1998 12:14 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Re: Diagram Index

                This index uses a catagory system developed as a result
                of much thought and work over years, and currently
includes
                all the models in virtually every significant
publication.





From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:43:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Diagram Index
It is great to imagine fun viewing modes and I'd encourage any
effort along these lines.

We knew this was a big project and so limited the first pass to
books on the OUSA Source List before bringing it up. It seemed
fair to document books that were available over obscure publications.

That was pre-AOL and other easy Web options. We know how much effort
it took to discipline ourselves to accept limitations that enable
something to take shape. I'm looking forward to seeing what talented
people can produce to help folders find the support they seek.

FYI

A web site is near completion to enable any person who has a book
not in the OUSA Index to add the models to the Database.

We have a "dictionary" in review that will be available to help
people add information consistent with the current list.

The process is to message me with a password you prefer. You will
then receive a copy of the "dictionary".  It is suggested that
a person type the name of the book at the "book" field of the
OUSA search engine to see if someone is already working on that
publication.
There is also a field for any URL that is related
to the specific model. (See Maartin's Mushroom for a sample.)
The information entered will be added to the end of the file
and immediately available to the search engine.
(If someone knows UNIX and wants to write the program that will
alphabetize the search requests before displaying it, let me know.)

We expect to bring up a bibliography of books with the ISBN as
a separate file.  It has become clear that a given ISBN is not
always in print. A paperback has one number and the hard cover
has another. Later editions have new numbers. It can be that
knowing an ISBN will not lead a person to a purchasable publication.
The ISBN that is listed in the one on the book being documented.

About non-English books:
A title that uses an alpha letter system is entered as it is:
Paperflexia Basica.  The models in the book are entered as is
with a translation:  El Gato (cat).  Non Alpha languages need
to be transliterated: Dukuhon.  The models in the book are
entered with a visual interpretation followed by a half
parens: Cat)  Means, the model appears to be a cat. With this
process we have only one object that is recorded has "unknown".

Of course, everyone understands that this is all done by people
with day jobs who choose to add to the file as a use of their
discretionary time.  We now have over 5000 models in the Index
and over 100 books documented.  Over 27 people have added information
to the index, so if a person has the book, it can be added. This also
means that some errors happen. People let us know and the errors can be
fixed: A model missed from a book, a name misspelled, etc...

About the archive copy in Holland:
We planned on sending an update to the archive but it just has not
happened since we posted it to the OUSA website.  It seems
universally available from the website.

This is a fun project.  There are a probably 1000 books dedicated
to publishing origami diagrams. We are only 10% into the task.
With this new entry method, more can happen.

V'Ann
vann@lht.com





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:52:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding Paper in fifths

A long time ago (at least for the mailing list it was a long time ago)
on May 19th, Pat Slider indited:
> For a nice, clear essay on methods of dividing a square see the Tanteidan
> subpage:
>
> http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/People/CAGE_/divide/index-e.html
>
> Definitely one to print and keep within reach. The diagrams are nice and
> clear.

I finally got the time and interest to check out that page.  I wasn't expecting
to find anything new.  It is not only a well presented site, but this is the
first time/place that I saw NOMA Masamichi's method and it is already my
favorite.  Haga's way is nice, but it locates points by overlapping edges
rather than by pinching/creasing (though I'll have to revist the earlier
messages on this list from Tom Hull to see again how convenient the creased
proportions are).  The intersecting diagonals method (the second method
described on that web page) involves point to point creasing (yuck, too
annoying by far (for me)).  KAWAHATA Fumiaki's method is also point to point
and additionally requires creases right through the middle of the paper.  NOMA
Masamichi's method involves a few pinches on the edges and no creases in the
middle.  Currently my favorite.  A Fifth method is also given that involves
creases through the middle of the paper.

Thanks to Pat for pointing out this page, and most especially to Koshiro for
creating it (the text is in English, but the pictures are all that is really
necessary).

Whee!!!!!

Now all I have to do is factor in what Tom Hull wrote recently on the list
about HAGA's theorem and see which of all those I like the best!

-D'gou
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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:37:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Diagram Index

Askinazi, Brett wrote:

> I did a search on the author's name of Kawahata, on the OUSA site and
> came up with only one model.

I did a search on Maekawa and stopped counting after two dozen.

Perhaps Valerie overspoke slightly when she said "virtually every significant
publication."  Since it is a volunteer created database there will be holes,
and since it is an English centric database there will be fewer non-English
books entered...  Everything has to be translated, book title, model titles,
and creators and authors.  Some things have been done already, many new books
have not (or are still in the pipeline).  None the less it is a massive
database...

> The dates on the files at  <ftp://ftp.rug.nl> ftp.rug.nl are from 1995.

That is an old copy of the database.  Whether it should be updated, removed, or
left as is, is up to V'Ann and co.

> Effort however, should go into a catalog of diagrams available on the
> web.  Either as an addition to the index or as a separate project.

Effort should go where the volunteers choose to put it.
Valerie's point is that a lot of work has alreay been done,
        and it would be a shame to see it duplicated.

-D'gou

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From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:22:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Thread For Mobiles

For some really durable string I'd suggest one of the following depending
on whether or not you want the string to be visable or not:

Tiger tail -- nylon string akin to fishing line. This stuff is used by
people doing beadwork.

Maysville carpet warp -- extra strong cotton string available in a large
selection of colors. Favorite among weavers for NOT breaking under stress.

You can get both of these from Earth Guild (www.earthguild.com I think)
or probably from any decently stocked arts & craft store. Neither item is
unusual.

As for tips on making mobiles, check your local library's art books. You
might just find something devoted to the subject. (I've found an older
book on the subject at a book sale, but I expect you can find something
better these days.)

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Garc=EDa_Macias_Carlos?= <CGMACIAS@TELMEX.NET>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:49:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Origami mobiles and Displays

Debbie wrote:

        >I actually do not weigh down my mobiles... The fish and
butterflies(of
        >my mobiles) seems so attractive floating and moving through
space. I
        >just wonder how small your models will be. I made models from
the ^"
        >square patterned papers.

        How many inches are you referring of? (because the ^ character
        is mapped different depending on the keyboard mapping, and I
        don't know if it's 6, 7 or other number).

        /8-) Carlos Garcia
        cgmacias@telmex.net

        PS Would you name an origami mobile as origamobile or orimobile?





From: D Pun <debpun@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:29:09 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami mobiles and Displays

Dear Steve:

I have created a couple of mobiles and I have found that "bead thread"
works pretty well for me. If you choose to go to Walmart (or any related
store), it is located in the crafts section, in the jewelry aisle. It
isn't invisible, but for something that is thicker that standard sewing
thread, I feel "bead thread" works well. It is actually a "Wal*Mart
Stores, Inc." product, #90401, 75 yards, white and Made in Taiwan.

I used a thin floral wire wrapped in white tape as my dowels... It is
flexible and heavy enough for my models. Or you can subsitute any
heavier gauge wire suitable for your models. And the floral wire would
be found across the bead thread, again in Walmart.

I actually do not weigh down my mobiles... The fish and butterflies(of
my mobiles) seems so attractive floating and moving through space. I
just wonder how small your models will be. I made models from the ^"
square patterned papers.

Here's a hint for making mobiles: start from the bottom up! Find the mid
point where the 2 model balances, attach the bottom piece to an end of
the next dowel up. The free end of a dowel is where you attach your
third model. Find where it balances on the new dowel, attach a string
and begin building up! Make sure that the dowels can rotate 360 degrees
without bumping into a string or another model.

Hope this helps..
Happy folding and balancing!

              O
                                          ~
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                        o    /~      ~\/~~
                        o  / O )      ~~~
                         }=    )      ~~~
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                            \_\  \___/\~~
                               \\\\    \~
                                         ~ debbie pun

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