




From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:59:51 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Tuesday's chat room

Once, again, thanks, all for coming.  I just wanted to address a couple of
issues that have been raised:

>John Sutter wrote: "I like to do a complete a statement without interruption
and
> then get a response and I found the chat room very disconcerting for that
> reason."

Jeff Kerwood  answered this question for us:  " It is the nature of chats to
jump in and say whatever you want whenever you want and that's the way it
should be."  Please keep in mind, this  realtime origami talk format is NEW to
ALL OF US.  We have NOT been given a strict formula to abide by... nor do I
wish to restrict anyone's participation.  I suppose (at least I'm hoping) that
this "moderation/regulation" approach will grow in due time.

>Jeff Kerwood wrote:  "What I was expecting to happen, and what really
happened >were not the same.   What I had trouble with was how many topics
were going on >concurrently and how they weren't the topics that were
advertised."

If you will note the synopsis posted yesterday, you will see that all the
subjects "advertised" were discussed.  I tried to keep conversation along
these lines, and I think we covered those areas to some degree.   As I said in
the synopsis:  "As soon as we are settled in, the topics of conversation
should become  focused on more information-rich origami.chat."

>Jeff Kerwood wrote:  "I was expecting ~someone~ (whoever advertised the
topic?) >to kind of drive the conversation (or at least initiate a conversion
on the topic(s) >advertised)---That didn't happen while I was there."

I initiated, and commented, on all topic(s) "advertized."  If you'd have
stayed longer, maybe you could have helped us to be more focused on those
issues you feel were important.   Perhaps, I could have been more
authoritative in my moderation of the chat, but (as this CHAT FORMAT is still
evolving) I was hesitant to do so as not to stifle anyone's participation.

>Jeff Kerwood wrote:  "I don't expect I'll be joining the chats too often
unless I can >expect that they will be "on topic" at least most of the time."

Maybe the problem is that you came with preconceived expectations, and rather
than voicing your opinion in the chat room (where you had the perfect
opportunity), you chose wait and "critique" it later.  We would welcome your
participation at future scheduled chats... and please don't hesitate to make
your opinion known when it really matters... not after the fact : \

As I stated in my synopsis: [Others may want to schedule informal chats [maybe
you, Jeff] to include those who can't participate in our evening timeslot....
just a thought.] .... and GOOD LUCK (not said sarcastically).

          Russell :\
(RGS467@AOL.com)

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:50:29 -0400
Subject: Origami Fact sheet for new folk on this list

We seem to have gotten a lot of new folders on this list lately. That is
GREAT!!!. But we are also getting lots of questions that have been answered
by this group frequently. I am thinking it might be a good idea if we put
together a "New Member FAQ Email" (to be posted once a month or
some regular frequency) with the top 10 FAQs listed. I can think of only
two downsides. One that the dialogue, as well as the info, might be
important to new members. And two that this would turn into an
advertisement for various sites or interests. I'd like your thoughts
on my concerns and this idea in general.

Some obvious items in it would be:

Where to buy origami stuff
~Best~ personal pages
Where to find diagrams
Good first origami books
Good first wet folding models
Top 10 favorite models
Copyright etiquette
Netiquette (use "NO" etc.)
Dividing paper into 1/nths

I'm not intending here to create or propose the list, above are just
examples What I'd like are your thoughts, in general, about doing this.
If you think it's a good idea then send me (to my private address
below) your detailed suggestions (don't say "where to find diagrams", give
specific URLs, addresses or whatever) for what you think should be on the
list. If I get generally positive feedback and enough info via private
emails I'll put together the email and post it once a month (is that
about the right frequency?).

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:05:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Tuesday's chat room

Russell, I don't want to make this a tit4tat conversation, and I don't want
to clutter the list with lots of back-n-4ths on this. I was just expressing
my feelings, as others have done, about my participation in the chat. No, I
didn't stay for the entire session, but while I was there I DID try to
initiate a talk about Netiquette and got one, sarcastic as I took it,
remark. I figured that said enough about the interests and intents of the
participants.

If there is any more to say about his lets do it privately,
Jeff Kerwood





From: Alex Barber <barber@ADMIN.CARLBERG.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:21:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Last Night's Chat

>Just wanted to say I had my first try on the chat room last night and had
>lots of fun.  "tommy" and I stuck it out till the bitter end after 3 hours
>of chatting with everyone.  There was some random session dropping, but
>overall a great experience, can't wait for the next one.
>
>BTW, is there an inherent limit to the number of simultaneous participants
>in this forum?  We thought maybe after 10 there was automatic dropping or
>something...

There is a configurable limit to the max number of users, but I have it set
up at 50.

Alex

--
tel 713.965.0764 fax 713.965.0135
barber@admin.carlberg.com





From: Alex Barber <barber@ADMIN.CARLBERG.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:25:19 -0500
Subject: Chat Topics (Re: Tuesday's chat room)

I've read some of the feedback on the chat tests the past couple of days.
Would it help those interested if I created more sub-topics for origami?
Email me your thoughts privately and I can add topic rooms as needed. We
could have rooms for wet folding, diagrams, how to get past step 123 on
some complex model, etc.

Alex

--
tel 713.965.0764 fax 713.965.0135
barber@admin.carlberg.com





From: Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:40:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Montroll ISBN #?

Nick Robinson wrote:

> JacAlArt <JacAlArt@AOL.COM> sez
>
> > what is the TITLE and ISBN# for the latest Montroll book?
>
> Teach yourself Origami (NOT to be confused with the harbin classic!)
> ISBN 1-877656-12-7
>

Odd. Here's what www.shopping.com has to say:

                  Item: Teach Yourself Origami
                  Price: $6.47
                  Part No: 0486401413
                Author: John Montroll
                 ISBN Number: 0486401413
                 Published on: 5/1/98
                 Cover Type: Paperback

Amazon.com has never heard of that ISBN.

Peace,

Tom
tomh@groupworks.com





From: Peter Mielke <pmielke@FMCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:43:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Fact sheet for new folk on this list
Gnu-Emacs: because one operating system isn't enough.

> We seem to have gotten a lot of new folders on this list lately. That is
> GREAT!!!. But we are also getting lots of questions that have been answered
> by this group frequently. I am thinking it might be a good idea if we put
> together a "New Member FAQ Email" (to be posted once a month or
> some regular frequency) with the top 10 FAQs listed.

I would think that the frequency depends on the size of the FAQ. Many
people that have to pay for the size of email messages would not want to
receive this every month. Why not simply have the FAQ sent to a new memeber
when they join the list? The instructions *how* to get the FAQ could be put
into the monthly posting by Maarten.

Just my thoughts,

Peter





From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:54:38 -0500
Subject: Wet Folding:  Sizing vs Breaking

>> Do we have any paper "scientists" on the list? I'd be interested to know
>> the whole story.
>
>Or even just anyone with casual access to a scanning electron microscope! ;-)

        SEM would be big overkill, guys.  All you really need is a decent
medium power dissecting scope, which is far easier to come by.  When I get
the chance, I'll try doing some folding and look at them under the scope
here at work.

>Actually, I think that there are two separate, but none-the-less interacting
>things going on with wet folding:
>        A) Sizing is re-wet and allows the paper to dry and stay in a
>different
>                shape from the original sheet
>        B) The paper itself (fibers and sizing) is able to bend instead of
>                breaking where folded.  This not only allows for "soft
>creases" but
>                it also keeps the paper from weakening at the folds.
>
>Sorry Nick, without any special scientific instruments needed, all you need to
>make those observations is some time folding with dry and wet paper!
>Check the
>origami-l archives for wet folding messages.  You'll see from WAY back that
>some people suggest "dunking" finished models, but admit that the results are
>not very satisfactory!  If the paper did indeed not break, then you would
>expect to find that not true!

"Dunking" may not be satisfactory, but I just folded a pleared vase out of
ordingary laserprinter paper, and misted it at completion.  That had
resulted in a nice firm final shape which is holding up much better than an
unmisted form.  Wetting at the end is often helpful, for me.

I've a feeling that, if investigated carefully, *both* your hypotheses
would turn out to be partially correct.  Empirical tests (just playing and
looking) support both.  Personally, I'd guess it depends some on the paper.

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:31:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Fact sheet for new folk on this list

I think that 10 topics might be more than we really need to cover.  I think
five, might be a good, non-endorsing (no this-web-store-is-better) way of
doing things.  I suggest:

+ Where to find diagrams
+ Good General Starting Pages
+ Netiquette
+ Copyright etiquette
+ How to search the archives

These cover the basic things that most newbies are going to interested in/need
to know.  Perhaps even something like this could be sent with the welcome
message you get after you subscribe.

J.B. Raasch





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:39:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Attachments
Priority: normal

On 21 May 98 at 0:55, Robby/Laura/Lisa wrote:

> Rodrigo Pantoja said:
>
> >PS:  Russell said something about an attachment in one of my previous
> >message.  I didn't attach anything, so it may be something my e-mail is
> >doing.  Please tell me if there is anything strange about this message,
> >it should be only plain ASCII text.
>
> The message IS plain ASCII text, but is accompanied by an RTF file that my
> mail reader (Eudora 3.0) gets as an attachment (bdy2.rtf) and contains
> exactly the SAME text.... Can anybody offer suggestions on how to fix this
> ?

How about asking the folks at Qualcomm, who did Eudora?  Checking their web
page or calling their tech support or sifting through their docs??  Seems like
asking for help in configuring a fairly-fancy mail agent would be more
effective if made in a technical forum or to the software supplier, than on an
origami mailing list...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:45:39 -0600
Subject: books and stores in Japan

Before I make my request I will make my disclaimer. I did check the
archives, but was not very successful in my quest. My searching skills may
need fixing.

I have a friend who will be spending six weeks in Japan, two of those in
Tokyo. She has told me that she would be happy to search out any origami
books I might want. My problem is that I can't tell her any stores to
visit, or any books which might be appropriate.

I am hoping that some of you might have some suggestions. I have an
extensive collection of North American and British published books, and I
enjoy some of the more complex works of Lang, Montroll, Brill,
Engel, among others. I also have two of Fuse's box books, and would like to
have her spiral books. Are there some aficionados out there who might wish
to recommend things. I am sure that Origami Tanteidan and ORU are
possibilities. My quest is for what, in your humble opinion, might be the
best one, or two or three books which will make my fingers itch to fold.
And of course, where might they be found, so that an origami innocent could
locate them with the help of her Japanese friends.

I wait with bated breath.

Nigel Pottle
fowlerj1@cadvision.com





From: "Julian A." <hullianx13@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:46:00 -0700 (
Subject: Kawasaki Rose

I've tried variations of the Kawasaki Rose -more petals longer petal
etc.

Any of you know more about its variations?

______________________________________________________
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From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:45:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Diagrams on Demand

They are also printed in the Tanteidan Convention annual 3 if you have
that, and knowing you ... you just might ;)

True the models don't appeal to you but that is what the creator of the
site specializes in, simple.

I also would not pay $10 bucks for those particular models but if the
idea caught on and more people did it.  For instance, <shameless
example> if Robert Lang were to do something similar for some of his
unpublished work I am guessing that you would jump on it.

I know I would ;)

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Kim Best [mailto:kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU]
                Sent:   Wednesday, May 20, 1998 6:38 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Re: Diagrams on Demand

                Askinazi, Brett wrote:

                > A while back someone asked if diagrams could be put on
a website and
                > then paid for and downloaded.  Here is an example of a
site that is
                > doing it.
<http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/studio.html>
                > http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/studio.html

                Well.......   The concept is good.  But I not sure those
simple models
                are worth $10.   And since the GIF's are free.....

                --
                Kim Best
*******************************
                                                    * I don't get
impeachment.    *
                Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes
beat       *
                420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners
any day?  *
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From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:02:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Montroll ISBN #?

Several (if not all) of Montroll's books were published by both Dover
and Antroll (Andy+Montroll) Publishing, sometimes simultaneously. www.
shopping.com does not mention the publisher. Could it just be the case?

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:25:20 +0100
Subject: Re: Chat comments

> Kathy <*))))>< wrote:
>
> >Let's hear your Tragic Origami Story.  (maybe we can learn from your
> >misfortune)

How long have you got?

-A 3 foot long, 1 inch wide Tatsu (see my origami page) was sat upon by a
very fat, very stupid person while I was showing it off in a bar.

-A Montroll Dragon(western) folded from a large gum wrapper as a request
(again, in a pub) was set fire to as some drunkard wanted to see 'if it
would breathe fire'.

-A series of origami roses (I'll stick the diags on my page...not a patch
on the Kawasaki rose, bit still rather nice) which was left outside a
girlfriends door on St Valentines day when I was a college was stamped upon
by ( I presume) a rival.

-A Lang Butterfly (Insects and kin), made from the most beautiful wrapping
paper, the abdomen folded into 1/7ths rather that thirds, having taken over
two hours careful folding ripped almost in two when I was making the very
final folds to lock the wings.

-Other stories invariably involve alcohol, and various bodily productions,
and a probably best not posted on this group...unless anyone REALLY wants
to hear. Ah, the life when I was a medical student...

Hopefully I'll join the next chat room, and attempt to amuse/disgust you
all then. What time/date is it likely to be? (British Summer time, if
poss...Ive not idea what all these american times mean :-)   )

Laters,

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon
www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800
fishgoth@dial.pipex.com





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:53:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Tuesday's Chat and Others

Steve and others,

> How about for the time being we let the scheduled chats remain the (very
> fun IMHO) free-for-all they have been and schedule specific times to meet
> people we'd like to talk with by mutual agreement?  My understanding was
> that the chat room is always available, so you can schedule chats anytime
> - right?

How about this. Regularly schedule (maybe twice weekly (to accommodate
different time zones)) a free-for-all where it is known that no topic of
discussion is planned. But, if someone wants to discuss a specific topic or
topics then they announce and schedule it and people who come should expect
that topic to be the primary topic of discussion?

> But just for the record, *everyone* in the chat room was friendly

Very true!

> Hope Jeff [snip] will give it another try!

Thanks,
Jeff





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:05:28 +0100
Subject: Re: When to Wet Fold

Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> sez

>all you need to make those observations is some time folding with dry
>and wet paper!

Thanks for pointing that out &;}

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:50:40 -0400
Subject: Re: books and stores in Japan

-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 4:49 PM

>I have a friend who will be spending six weeks in Japan, two of those in
>Tokyo. She has told me that she would be happy to search out any origami
>books I might want. My problem is that I can't tell her any stores to
>visit, or any books which might be appropriate.
>

Nigel,

Check out http://www.concentric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml for a list of
origami sources.

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj





From: Jorge Vasquez Pirez <orcknight@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:56:53 -0400
Subject: Re: books and stores in Japan

hi, i'm new on thsi, & i don't know much, but i hope this might help you, the
name of the book is:

Origami fantasy <--- in english [Kyoryu no Origami]<--- in japanese

the name of the autor is:

Kawahata, Fumiaki

& i've seen a lot of complex models, you can see some of the work that appears
in that book in the next page:

http://www.netspace.org/users/ema/origami/fantasy/fantasy.html

---Greetings from south america

---jorge





From: Rjlang <Rjlang@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:28:57 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Deutschland

I'm going to be in Germany (Regensburg) with a free day on my hands on Friday,
June 12. I seem to recall that Origami Deutschland was having a convention
that weekend somewhere in the country. Would one of our German colleagues
email me (privately) with location and details? Also, I'd appreciate the
address of any good paper stores in Munich that carry Zanders elefantenhaut.

Thanks,

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:36:03 -0400 (
Subject: Re: suitable for mailing---PAJARITA

>RL.  wrote:  Got to ask this question, what is a pajarita ?

It is literally translated from Spanish (and perhaps other related languages)
as:  a small bird...  or a bow tie....  In this case.....   I'd go with the
bird.  Una pajarita [de papel.... a paper bird.]

          Russell
RGS467@AOL.com : \

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:54:55 +0100
Subject: Re: Montroll ISBN #?

Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM> sez

>Odd. Here's what www.shopping.com has to say:
>                  Item: Teach Yourself Origami
>                  Price: $6.47
>Amazon.com has never heard of that ISBN.

My copy says $9.95 & is from Antroll Publishing company, but that's
clearly the number on it. Wierd innit?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:40:05 -0700
Subject: Pajarita

At 11:05 AM 5/22/98 -0800, RL wrote:
>Hi gals and guys,
>
<snip>Got to ask this question, what is a pajarita ?
>
A Pajarita is, I believe, a bird model of Spanish origin.  The finished
model folds flat and shows both sides of the paper.  I can't be sure, but I
think it is shown in the Eric Kenneway book with the Japanese lady on the
cover and is also (I think) mentioned in Creative Origami (red demon mask
on the cover).

Origami:  "Stop Drop and Fold!"
Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com
Bend, Oregon
http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:40:17 -1000
Subject: Hawaii origami meeting

Hey Origamians,
        Are there any more of us who live in Hawaii, Oahu to be exact besides
Aimee and Jan who would like to attend a origami meeting?  I am hosting
a gathering for Jodi Fukumoto, Hawaiian origami creator on Saturday,
9am, May 30th.  We have coming the "Origami kid", Sky, who we found at a
craftfair.  Sky started an origami club at his school; we also invited
his sponser who teaches geometry through origami.  Jason, the 5 year old
origami whiz, now 7 is still folding and he'll be there too.
        We'll be checking out Jodi's diagrams and folding her wonders.  Aimee
will be bringing some new stuff to share at the OUSA convention.
        Contact me through email or phone me (545-1068) if you'd like to
attend.                    Aloha, Jan





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:51:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Shamless Plugs was RE: left-right symmetry

No problem Shel,

Each of the messages that were sent (even if they were intended to go to
the original poster) did not even answer or add any value to the
person's questions.  If he had something valid to say or add to their
personal conversation or our public one, I wouldn't have minded the
plugs so much.

It just twisted me up all wrong.

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Sheldon Ackerman [mailto:ackerman@DORSAI.ORG]
                Sent:   Wednesday, May 20, 1998 8:25 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Re: Shamless Plugs was RE: left-right
symmetry

                >
                > Tobi,
                > Does every topic on the list today require a plug for
your product ?
                >
                > Why not just post ONCE and extend your offer to
everyone ?
                >
                A simple observation: some people on this list are very
quick when it comes
                to criticizing. I guess most of us, myself included, are
guilty of this
                human foible.

                Perhaps Tobi DID think that the messages he sent were
private and not
                showing up to the entire list?

                And when criticizing someone, is it really necessary to
                publicize it to the whole list? (Yes I am guilty of the
same thing now :-)





From: Mary Lynne Courtney <mcourtney@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:10:32 -0400
Subject: Origami groups

I will be moving to Gainesville, Florida in June and would like to join an
origami group.  Does anyone know of one in the area?  Please e-mail me
privately.  I am very much a beginner at origami (about 6 months) but would
like to learn more.

Mary Lynne





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:40:23 -0700
Subject: paper clips

Here's a pet peeve: origami paper packaged with paper clips. Just opened
a package of paper from Kotobuki that someone had given me and every
sheet is damaged. grrrrr. Why do they do this? A crime inflicted upon
nice paper.

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:52:05 -0300
Subject: Re: suitable for mailing---PAJARITA

Regarding origami (our Spanish-speaking friends would say papiroflexia),
a "pajarita" is not any paper bird, but the classical, stylized bird
from a pinwheel/catamaran base. For the Spaniards (and related people
like the Argentine), the pajarita is the same as the crane for Japan or
the cootie-catcher in US: a powerful, enduring symbol of origami,
recognized by everyone since childhood. The back cover of "La Creacion in
Papiroflexia" (by Vicente Palacios, if I remember well) presents a photo
of a
"monument to the pajarita".





From: Ritchie Low <rlow@HANNAH.PO.MY>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:05:06 -0800
Subject: Re: suitable for mailing

Hi gals and guys,

Been following this list for a few weeks now (albeit anonymously) and
found some interesting sites as a result, like the one quoted below.

Got to ask this question, what is a pajarita ?

---
RL.

tommy wrote:
[ stuff deleted ]
>
> A model that I found on the web recently is Indicador de Pagina
> (Bookmark) by Ricardo Ros Casanova. Perhaps it doesn't have a high wow
> factor but is is very functional (and flat). Adding to its charm is the
> silhouette of the traditional pajarita on the finished model. Here is a
> link to the page the diagram is on...
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/4091/desa06.html
> As Ariel mentioned this is an interesting site definitely worth a look.
>
> Tommy





From: Michael Belehradek <mbelehradek@CNC.SK>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:35:23 +0200
Subject: Re: Chat comments

At 09:39 AM 5/21/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Kathy <*))))>< wrote:
>
>>Let's hear your Tragic Origami Story.  (maybe we can learn from your
>>misfortune)
>
>Yesterday, I threw away my best Kawasaki rose. It was folded from white
>washi and was sitting in a dark corner of my kitchen. I thought it was a
>used paper towel (!) so I swiped at it, crushed it and threw it in the
>trash. I should have made one of Joseph Wu's bases for it sooner.
>
>-Jane
I am new to this list and I am new also in Origami. I liked paper folding since
my youth but in this country there were no resources how to fold. Same situation
is here today except 1 book published :-((. So I fold only a few models diagrams
which i found on www. Thanks for it to all! :-)) One of them was Kawasaki rose
     for my gf.
First I thought it is not foldable. But finally i've made it. :-). Where is the
     problem?
I searched web to see how it should look. And I found on site

http://www.the-village.com/origami/gal_rose.html beautiful Kawasaki rose.
But I cant to do my rose to looks like that one. Any help?
Maybe I've done some newbie mistake. :-((
I'd like if someone would be so kind and give to poor newbie some advise how to
     fold.
Where the begginers do mistakes and so on ... Thank you very much.
I enjoy Origami and this list too.


     Michael





From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:49:20 -0400
Subject: May 26 Littleton, MA, USA Origami Group Meeting

Hi,

Just a reminder the Littleton Origami Group will be meeting next week on the
26th.  We will be meeting in a new room located downstairs in the former
Historical Room.

Last time we created money fold high heels and pentagons, shared books, and
critiqued folding diagrams.  Hope you can join us.  I'll be bringing xerox
examples of late 19th century German, English, and American origami valentines
I recently discovered to get your ideas on how they may have been folded.
There's sure to be lots more.  What a great way to come back from a long
weekend.

Please join us!

Kristine Tomlinson   (P.S. -- a note to LOG regulars.  I'll be late).

When: Tuesday, 26 May 1998, 7:00/7:30 - 9:00.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.  This
intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic lights.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A West)
 toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 119
    West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is
    a right hand fork -- this is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other entrance
to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite
Badger Funeral home. The sign says Town Offices.

There's parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:56:11 -0700
Subject: Re: paper clips

I got some beautiful papers from the Japanese store at Epcot a couple of
weeks ago that had been fanned into a circular pattern inside the
packaging.  Because of so many people handling the paper, the design kept
getting messed up, so the store owners had taken to using paper clips to
maintain the look.

I have to be a little sympathetic - Origami papers can be so beautiful and
a lot of NO people pick them up and look but will never buy.  C'est la papier!

Origami:  "Stop Drop and Fold!"
Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:18:20 -0500
Subject: Re: paper clips

>pat slider.
>slider@stonecutter.com  said

>Here's a pet peeve: origami paper packaged with paper clips. Just opened
>a package of paper from Kotobuki that someone had given me and every
>sheet is damaged. grrrrr. Why do they do this? A crime inflicted upon
>nice paper.

Probable response from company, "well, why not use paper clips, you're just
     going to fold it all up anyway?".

Sorry /:?)'  couldn't pass up the comment, bad Perry, bad!!

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:52:14 -0700
Subject: Starting A Group

Kathering Meyer asks about starting a group.  Here's something that I've
done just recently with good results:

At our local bookstore (Barnes & Noble, natch) I asked if I could display a
couple of figures and a sign up sheet or something for those interested in
forming a group.  B&N management was very excited and have asked for a
*bunch* of models and a whole Origami display, to be set up near the Arts &
Crafts section.  They are also eager to host an ongoing group!

I had originally planned to ask the same favor of our local library, but
now think I should wait until I see how many respond to the B&N opportunity.

BTW, for those of you who've done something similar or created other public
displays, what models did you choose?

Origami:  "Stop Drop and Fold!"
Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:46:28 -0500
Subject: When is next Chat?

Hi All

It was nice to see some constructive criticism about the chat sessions.
Criticism is a good thing, that's how things evolve and improve. I think
the chat sessions are going well for the most part. I'm having a blast
with it. It is new though and there is always room for improvement. I
would be willing to try any revisions that may enhance the sessions.

There was another topic brought up at the last session: How to start a
folding group. I do not know anyone that folds in my area but would like
to get more involved. I know there are other folders in my area because
someone is checking out the origami books from the library and buying
the paper from the craft store but what is the best way to get these
people together?

Someone during the chat mentioned to put a model with a note and phone
number inside the library book, a nice surprise for the next person that
checks out the book. That's a neat idea. Or posting a note in the
library. (would they let you do that?) Any other ideas? Is there info
about this in the archives?

When is the next Chat session scheduled????? Can't wait.

Kathy <*))))><





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:12:40 -0600
Subject: Re: Have you seen this Origami site ?

Ariel wrote:

> For those that speak spanish, (and those who do not but don't care)
> There is an interesting Origami site that has been quite unnoticed I guess.
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/4091/
> It belongs to a group of spanish origamists, from the province of Zaragoza.
> Enjoy.

If there is anyone who hasn't checked out this site you really ought too.  They
have some really great diagrams.  Including several variations on the resently
popular pajarita, a shiek on horseback (camelback?), and Gabriel Alvarez's
Daedalus.

Hey have you ever noticed that if you hold Daedalus upside-down it looks alot
like Icarus?

Oh....  was that in bad taste?  Sorry.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:16:05 -0400
Subject: Re: When is next Chat?

Kathy,

> I know there are other folders in my area because
> someone is checking out the origami books from the library and buying
> the paper from the craft store but what is the best way to get these
> people together?
>
> Someone during the chat mentioned to put a model with a note and phone
> number inside the library book, a nice surprise for the next person that
> checks out the book. That's a neat idea. Or posting a note in the
> library. (would they let you do that?) Any other ideas? Is there info
> about this in the archives?

If you're feeling ambitious, a good way to attract attention is to put on
an exhibit at a library, museum or wherever. If your good with kids you
could work up some origami ~show / story telling~ thing to put on at
schools. I remember that your a newbie but it's something to work towards
and to look forward to! Or, how about a short add / notice in a local
paper.

Good luck!
Jeff Kerwood





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:44:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding paper in fifths

Gareth

> Does anyone have any neat, fool (make that idiot) proof methods for
> folding a exact fifth? Come to think of what about all the other
> non-powers-of-two?  Thanks - Gareth

I don't think I've seen any solution (honestly though I haven't studied all
of them enough to understand them either :-/) to the following paper
division question. How do you divide into 1/5ths an edge that is not
straight (for example an edge that contains a corner), say an edge from the
center of the top to the center of the right side edge (paper oriented with
straight edge to top). Or maybe a better way to phrase the question is to
say, how do you "quint-sect" an angle (I think that means divide an angle
into five smaller angles, for example divide a 90 degree angle into 5 18
degree segments) when you do not have a straight edge which can be divided.
An example of this (but it is dividing into 1/7ths) is step 2 of the
Scorpion in Robert Langs "The Complete Book of Origami". (I'm feeling like
I belong in the slow class here cause I looked in the archives and no one
else has ever had to ask this question ;-/). I'd like to know how to do it
for the Scorpion but even more I'd like to know the theoretical "how" to do
it for any division of an angle.

Thanks, Jeff Kerwood





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:49:11 -0300
Subject: Re: suitable for mailing---PAJARITA

At 01:36 22/05/1998 , you wrote:
>>RL.  wrote:  Got to ask this question, what is a pajarita ?

They would use this expression wheteher the actual model . From this word
"pajarita" came to the applied not just to the funny little bird which we
all know as the pajarita. In Spanish usage may refer to models which are
not familiar bird. But, the pajarita,  is considered in Spain as a simbol
of folds. Vicente Palacios said that the pajarita originated in Spain, but
I do not know if this right.

Bye for now.

Patricia Gallo
La Plata-Argentina

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall

>
>It is literally translated from Spanish (and perhaps other related languages)
>as:  a small bird...  or a bow tie....  In this case.....   I'd go with the
>bird.  Una pajarita [de papel.... a paper bird.]
>
>
>          Russell
>RGS467@AOL.com : \
>
>DARE TO FOLD!!!!!





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:50:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Pierrot

Hi to all,

Thanks to all that answer my question, in private e-mail and in the list.
I'm very happy, because all the people in the list are the best.

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:00:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Displays

>Steve Woodmansee
>stevew@empnet.com said

>At our local bookstore (Barnes & Noble, natch) I asked if I could display a
>couple of figures and a sign up sheet or something for those interested in
>forming a group.  B&N management was very excited and have asked for a
>*bunch* of models and a whole Origami display, to be set up near the Arts &
>Crafts section.  They are also eager to host an ongoing group!
>
>I had originally planned to ask the same favor of our local library, but
>now think I should wait until I see how many respond to the B&N opportunity.
>
>BTW, for those of you who've done something similar or created other public
>displays, what models did you choose?
>
I have made a number of displays for the local library and for the neighborhood
Center.  The last time I made a display I was not feeling well, so I made
something simple and repetitive, a modular castle, from the L. Rozelle book
Origami in King Arthur's Court (I was going to do the one in Kenneway's  book,
but couldn't find it!).  The castle went well enough and after it was assembled
     I
mounted it on piece of poster board, so I could use blue paper to create a moat.
Then I decided the moat needed a little something so I got out Origami Plain and
Simple by Neale and Hull, and folded the sea serpent as a moat monster. It was
about then that I realized the castle could use a few more touches, so I folded
     a
fire lizard (mine available on the net) and set him atop one of the turrets.
     He looked pretty good and that got me into Mythical Beings by Jay Ansill
     for the next critter, Neale's dragon.  By this time I was beginning to
     enjoy myself and felt much better
library, for display.  Ever since when I go to the library I look at it and say
     to myself, I could have added this or that figure, but there is just too
     much to
choose from sometimes.

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/





From: MORGANA <la.llibreria@BCN.SERVICOM.ES>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:06:16 +0200
Subject: Re: Pajarita

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
>
> At 11:05 AM 5/22/98 -0800, RL wrote:
> >Hi gals and guys,
> >
> <snip>Got to ask this question, what is a pajarita ?
> >
> A Pajarita is, I believe, a bird model of Spanish origin.  The finished
> model folds flat and shows both sides of the paper.  I can't be sure, but I
> think it is shown in the Eric Kenneway book with the Japanese lady on the
> cover and is also (I think) mentioned in Creative Origami (red demon mask
> on the cover).
>
> Origami:  "Stop Drop and Fold!"
> Steve Woodmansee
> stevew@empnet.com
> Bend, Oregon
> http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

LA PAJARITA is more than a model, in spain is a symbol for all
origamist.
it have the same importance in spain than the crane in the japaness
culture.
There are hundred diferents models of it. And hundred diferents forms to
fold it.
Realy is simply to fold, and is one model that know fold many people
here in spain.
If you want to know more about pajarita e-mail me and I send you the
book references.

Nicolas Jenson





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:25:02 +0100
Subject: Re: Starting A Group

About Steve Woodmansee's posting:

>Katherine Meyer asks about starting a group.
 Here's how Origami Minnesota got started. The founder got a membership
list from Origami USA (then Friends of the Origami Center of America).
She then sent a note to all the local members, and the group began.  We
have recruited additional members at demonstrations at book and art
supply stores, through word of mouth, and in one case, through this list.

>BTW, for those of you who've done something similar or created other public
>displays, what models did you choose?

Origami Minnesota just had a display at the main library in St. Paul. We
"chose" anything anyone contributed. Children made a Sonobe modular and
Joseph Wu's Olympic Snowlets. Some of the most impressive models made by
adults were large wet-folded animals (by Lang, Yoshizawa and LaFosse),
Tom Hull's Five Intersecting Tetrahedra and the fish skeleton from ORU
magazine. There were butterflies, flowers, David Brill's book, a
clothesline with tiny origami clothing, and designs by some of our
members.

The show was very popular. It even managed to charm a motorcycle gang,
although they were not so entranced as to inquire about joining our group.

-Jane

P.S. I hesitated to post this message because I don't think permission to
show these works was requested, and we have so recently had exchanges
here on this subject. I am sure the show complied with all provisions of
copyright law and with OUSA's guidelines, but I know there are members of
this list who think we should have done more.





From: "L.Hayashi" <lmh@COMPUSMART.AB.CA>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:37:20 -0600
Subject: 2 new books

Hi everyone.  For those of you in Edmonton, Alberta Canada,  I was shopping
in a local bookstore "Audreys" and came across 2 new books.
        1.  Easy Origami - Acolorful Introduction to Practical Paper Folding
                by Kazuo Kobayashi and Chiharu Sunayama
                ISBN 1 -57990 - 025 - 9
                Published by Lark Books
                Cost 23.95CDN

                it is 126 pages and has about  60 projects in the book.
                I would classify this as a beginner book.
                Categories of projects:
                Table Decorations
                Party and Picnic
                Just for Fun
                Boxes and Containers
                Holidays

        2.Playful Origami
                by      Reiko Asou
                ISBN 0-87040-827-5
                Published by Joie/Japan Publications
                Price 26.50 CDN

                It is 126 pages and has 88 Models
                I would rate this book for beginners-low intermediate
                Categories:
                Adorable Animals
                Fine Flowers
                Make Your Own Toys
                Little Party Partners

        Nice to see some new books cropping up here in Edmonton.  Hope this
information may be of some use to someone.

        Lynda Hayashi





From: Jorge Vasquez Pirez <orcknight@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 23:57:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Pajarita

Steve Woodmansee escribi:

> At 11:05 AM 5/22/98 -0800, RL wrote:
> >Hi gals and guys,
> >
> <snip>Got to ask this question, what is a pajarita ?
> >
> A Pajarita is, I believe, a bird model of Spanish origin.  The finished
> model folds flat and shows both sides of the paper.  I can't be sure, but I
> think it is shown in the Eric Kenneway book with the Japanese lady on the
> cover and is also (I think) mentioned in Creative Origami (red demon mask
> on the cover).
>
> Origami:  "Stop Drop and Fold!"
> Steve Woodmansee
> stevew@empnet.com
> Bend, Oregon
> http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

  Hi, i'm a hispanic, and pajarita, literally means female little bird, but
thaht name is usually what we call to the crane, at least in my country,
venezuela!

                                ----gretings
                                                                    ---Jorge





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 00:05:18 -0400 (
Subject: Re: When is next Chat?

Kathy <*))))>< wrote:

>When is the next Chat session scheduled????? Can't wait.

Let's keep the chat time slot at 9PM (EST) on Tuesdays.  We've had success
with it in the past... I see no need to change it.  The topic will be left
open... everyone has been coming up with great topics on their own in the
chats.

I think maybe this chat network would be better served if we opened it up to
...say.. everyday at a given time(say 9PM).  Small groups may form... and new
people (especially the ones who are less experienced in the chat scenario) may
feel more comfortable...and have less/no problem keeping up.  This would also
allow those who can't attend at our regularly scheduled time can make use of
the network at their leisure.

Kathy <*))))>< wrote:

>It was nice to see some constructive criticism about the chat sessions.
>Criticism is a good thing, that's how things evolve and improve.

Agreed.  I'm glad to see some interest has been generated from our efforts.  I
feel we are making progress.  I hope these postings (RE: chatrooms) are not
viewed as "inappropriate" on the listserve.  I appreciate that this medium
allows us to pursue this endeavor.

I will be starting school, again, next week...and have tried to get this thing
up and going on my two week break.  I thank all who've participated and/or
offered advice. (You know who you are : )   I am hoping the chat will catch
on, and that people will take matters into their own hands if they wish to...
RE:  scheduling a chat...  or just coming to lurk.

Nuff said.

      Russell : \
RGS467@AOL.com

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 06:56:54 -0400
Subject: Re: When is next Chat?

Russell,

> I think maybe this chat network would be better served if we opened it up
> to ...say.. everyday at a given time (say 9PM)

Which 9PM?

> I will be starting school, again, next week...and have tried to get this
> thing up and going on my two week break.

Thank YOU Russell for taking the initiative on this!

Jeff Kerwood





From: Jeffrey Yen <nosti@MAILEXCITE.COM>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 09:13:17 -0700
Subject: connecting

Hi,
First of all, I'm new to the list.  Does anyone know a better way to connect
     origami papers together other than tape.  Scotch tape gets quite annoying
     for thick folds and sometimes rips at the connections anyway.  I'm doing
     some origami by Robert J. Lang

Nosti

Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 09:25:35 -0700 (
Subject: Confessions of a Paper Hoarder

Years ago I had a pet albino rat that hoarded sunflower seeds. I found
it comical that he would build up such a tall pile of seeds to save for
a rainy day (or a seedless day).  I guess I must be just as funny.
I am a paper hoarder.

In some ways I feel it is logical that I hoard paper.  Experience has
taught me that if there is a paper that I especially like, it will most
likely be discontinued.  This applies not only to origami paper, but to
all papers useful to origami (giftwrap paper, art paper, wallpaper
etc.). How much should I buy in fear it will no longer be available?  I
do confess that sometimes I purchase paper, think it is going to be
great so I purchase multiples of it then find out that the paper is a
disappointment or that my paper tastes have changed.

Sometimes I come across a paper that I don't appreciate till much later.
Then it is too late to get more of it.  From those many paper tragedies,
I have learned to test paper for origami soon after purchasing it.

I further confess to you that I hoard little remnants of thin paper.
These are the by-product of cutting a square from a rectangle, a smaller
square from a square etc.  But I have been finding myself saving little
one inch pieces. This is because I like to fold miniatures. It is
starting to get ridiculous.  So unless I know that a paper is
discontinued, I have a cut-off for what size remnant I shall save.

I have confessed all this to you, because if there is anyone who can
understand it will be other paperfolders. Are there any other paper
hoarders out there?  How do you cope?

                                       Marcia Joy Miller

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 09:47:27 +0100
Subject: Mari Kanegae?

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Mari Kanegae of Brasil? She's
just sent me the most wonderful origami book I've seen in years, called
"A Arte dos Mestres de Origami". Once I have more details of
availability from her, I'll review it for you all....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:01:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Confessions of a Paper Hoarder

>I have confessed all this to you, because if there is anyone who can
>understand it will be other paperfolders. Are there any other paper
>hoarders out there?  How do you cope?
>
>                                       Marcia Joy Miller
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Marcia, I am sure that there are others who hoard paper for origami use.
Ever since foil wrapping paper became available about 40 or 50 years ago, I
have been using it as my main source of paper, usually cut to 6.25 inch
squares.  Rolls were available everywhere at Xmas time, and I usually
waited until after Xmas to stock up on them.  The foil was thin and was
usually nicely embossed, which gave the foil paper more body and a great
deal of flexibility.  I found it particularly good for intricately folded
objects, such as my standing crane, which can be found in Modern Orgami.
Some designs were useful, others were not.  When foil wrapping paper began
to be replaced by plastic wrap, I began to stock up on it.  I still have a
supply of it when I need it.  In the meantime I have been buying the
heavier foil paper in rolls from Allufoil Product Co. in Hauppauge. N.Y.,
the dull variety which I find suitable for my origami flower arrangement
work.  I have a bigger roll of 24 inch silver and gold heavily emobissed
foil paper even heavier than the 30 pound weight paper sold by Allufoil,
which I bought in a floral supply store in Los Angeles many years ago.  I
recently folded a standing crane from it, and found that the foot was too
weak to hold up the stork for long.  I tried strengthening the leg and foot
by backcoating two opposite corners with six inch squares.  This
strengthened  the foot coonections sufficiently to hold up the crane.  This
can be used to create a crane which can be displayed as a piece of
sculpture.  Allufoil is capable of not only cutting its foil paper to size,
but also to add embossing designs, but ordering a fairly large quantity at
one time is necessary, which paper  suppliers mighit consider.
Consideration should be given to the choice of colors (pastel or dull
shades are the best), and the quality and design of the embossing.  Heavy
embossing with fine designs are the best I find for folding purposes.
James M. Sakoda





From: Rob Hudson <rhudson@NETRAX.NET>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:36:46 -0400
Subject: Convention Tours

To anyone who will be attending Convention '98:

I will be in town around noon on Friday and was thinking about having an
"informal tour" of Origami sites around the city.  Mainly, visiting paper
and import bookshops.  I plan on hitting uptown and downtown via subway and
on foot, so bring token money! ($1.50 per token)  If you are interested in
where we will be going, check my convention tips page..

http://www.netrax.net/~rhudson/con97/con97.html

Let me know via e-mail if you're interested-- we'll set up a meeting place
near FIT...

Rob





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:46:59 -0500
Subject: chat session time

Hi All:

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is the basis for standard time. We can use
this as a basis
for people outside the US who want to join in the Origami Chat Session.

The chat session will air at 1:00 GMT (thats 9pm EST).

The internet has websites to figure out how to convert your time to GMT.
Just type GMT into any search engine.

Hope you can join in :)

Kathy <*))))><





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:56:15 -0400
Subject: Re: connecting

At 09:13 AM 5/23/98 -0700, Jeffrey Yen <nosti@MAILEXCITE.COM>  wrote:

>First of all, I'm new to the list.  Does anyone know a better way to
connect origami papers together other than tape.  Scotch tape gets quite
annoying for thick folds and sometimes rips at the connections anyway.  I'm
doing some origami by Robert J. Lang that require scaled paper such as 2:5,
1:7, or 2:3.

If possible, use rolls of paper (a la gift wrapping), which can be cut to
the desired ratio, without any need for tape. If your ideal paper does not
come in rolls, there are alternative ways of connecting them. One way is to
use methyl cellulose, which is often sold as wallpaper paste. This will
work very well when joining porous papers. If you are joining slicker
surfaces, you might have to use spray glue (which Scotch makes, and is
essentially Scotch tape in a can). If you are into foil-backing, there is
yet another sollution. FOld a piece of foil in half, and adhere your paper
of choice on both sides (via spray glue). Then, with a scissor, cut the
double layer of paper along where you had made the fold on the foil. Upon
opening the crease in the foil, you will have a fairly seamless sheet of
folding material, which can then be cut to the disired shape (the process
can be repeated behind to have an alternate colour).

Marc





From: Cheryl Heatherly <rheather@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:11:58 -0400
Subject: Where can I find sketches for Demon model online?

Hi! I'm new to the list, and a couple of digests ago I saw a posting
regarding the demon model.  It sounded like he had been folding from
diagrams that are commonly available, and I was wondering where to find
them, since I haven't had any luck looking in the archives.  Any help
would be appreciated!  Also, if anyone has knowledge of a source for the
book Viva Origami, which I believe is out of print, I would also be
eternally grateful.

Truly,
Cheryl Heatherly





From: Daniel B Delgado <origami@GROVE.UFL.EDU>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:57:55 -0400
Subject: Modular castles

Are there any good modular castle things out there?  I know someone posted
to the list about it but I accidently deleted the message.  If anyone can
send me any ideas I would much appreciate it.

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