




From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:54:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Blatant Origami Sighting

>>X-Sender: stevew@empnet.com
>>From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
>>
>>1.  What is an ikebana?
Ikebana is the japanese art/craft of flower arrangement. It's a very
elaborate and formal stuff, and there are several style schools. Like
bonsai, different shapes and positions can be related to spiritual
elements. Please note---apart from that, ikebana and bonsai should not
be confused---ikebana subjects are not miniatures neither perennial.
This is just a short sketch, for the Japanese ikebana is much more
traditional and "respectable" than origami.
>>2.  Anybody know of a howling wolf model?  (or dog)
The "ho ho kame" (roughly howling wolf) was published in Kawahata-san's
Origami Wild Animals of the World (the gnu book) available from
Sasuga. It's an intermediate model, the wolf's long neck/head thrust upwards.
>>3.  Anybody know if the Nikko really does this?
Sorry, no clue.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:10:39 -0500
Subject: test chat comment

Hi all:

The test chat last night was a riot. I never laughed so hard.... We
talked about folding a model as a group by directions and not knowing
the name of the model at the start, then see who could be the first to
figure it out. Then someone added "I can name that model in two
folds....NAME THAT FOLD. ( ya know like "Name that Tune") It was so
funny!

Also learned of some great books out there, and that Library's can
network to find that certain book for you to check out.

Can't wait for the next chat session. Hope to see you all there.

Kathy <*))))><
nickname Tiger





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:12:02 -0700 (
Subject: Next Origami Talk(re: Impressions...)

Hello! It was stated that the next Origami Talk is Tuesday May 25th.  My
calendar tells me that Monday is May 25th.  So please tell us, is
the date the 25th or the 26th?  (Maybe I have read something wrong-
If I have I apologize).  Thank you.

Marcia Joy Miller

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From: Richard Davies <richardd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:18:37 +0100
Subject: Devil

> 2 The nearest I can call a publicly-available, legal, ethically ok source
> of diagrams (well, almost) for the FULL demon: www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/
> People/MAEK0/Bunko/Animal/index-e.html includes a crease pattern
> (unfortunately, even the larger image is rather small). Believe me,
> after transferring the pattern proportions to a square of paper it
> IS possible folding the model.  After all, 90% of V!O instructions
> for the demon is a long sequence of precreases just for getting the
> right proportions. In a long step, everything magically collapses
> into a many-pointed diamond with two flaps (to-be hands). The text
> says what part of body which point should turn into, and that's the
> last diagram!

Does anyone have any other tips for masochists attempting to fold this just from
the crease pattern? :)

Cheers,

Rich

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:34:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Finding origami books...

Katherine J. Meyer indited:

> Also learned of some great books out there, and that Library's can
> network to find that certain book for you to check out.

That's at least true in the US, I don't know about other places.  I've had the
best luck going to the library and using their internet access to hunt down the
exact specs on the book I want to borrow.  In a few cases I've just given the
librarian a bare minimum (author, title, date, maybe ISBN, maybe publisher) and
have had them hunt it down for me.  In the age of instant gratification I have
found that when I can tell them which book and which library to get it from I
usually have it within 3-4 working days.  When they have to hunt down the book
and library it often takes several weeks.  Better than not having it at all!

I also want to put in a plug for the OUSA lending library.  If you have no
access to a book locally, and aren't sure if you really want to shell out to
buy it sight unseen, chances are you might be able to borrow it from the OUSA
library.  The cost is reasonable, though it is available only to members.
Furhter information on the OUSA web site at:
                http://www.origami-usa.org/

-D'gou

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:54:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Table books...

Carlos Alberto Furuti indited:

> 2) This leads me to another point. Several authors have prepared the
> 'Secret Life of Paper' CD, an invaluable resource for presenting
> paperfolding to a wider audience. I know it does contain a selection of
> photos of finished museum-quality models. Does anyone know of a
> coffe-table _book_ focused on origami photographs (like a "Selected ORU
> Exhibitions")??? Please don't tell me "no one would ever publish it
> since too few would buy that"! :(

Seems that you can't sell any books if no one knows that they're their.  And
don't forget that any high quality color photo book is NOT going to be "cheap"
(whether or not you think it is a good "value" is a different matter).  There
are only two books that I would consider as candidates.  Both are by LaFosse.
One his a collection of photos of his models (I have never seen the actual
book).  This is available from the origamido web site (see below).  The other
is a book recently published, "Paper Art -- The Art of Sculpting with Paper"
and is a GORGEOUS book.  It has works by Yoshizawa and Chris Palmer (and
others) in the origami realm, as well as other paper artists.  The photography
is great, the presentation is wonderful and the objects photographed are
stunningly gorgeous.  This is like Jackson's Encyclopedia of Origami and
Papercraft taken to the next level (or two or three).  Unlike Jackson's book,
this is focussed more on the artists and kind of art that they do.  In addition
to various places this book can be found on the web, it has started showing up
in book stores.  There are several other "paper arts" books of a similar kind
also available, make SURE you see LaFosse's, it blows the others away.  Can I
say more about this book?  I don't have it in front of me to give a detailed
review, but I do recall that the origami sections, at least, have some
diagrams.

-D'gou

If you check out the origamido web site (Michael LaFosse's web home base at
www.origamido.com), you can find (on the PRODUCTS page):
    ORIGAMI PHOTO PORTFOLIO
If you follow the link, you'll find this description:
           Wherever we go, people ask us if they can snap photos of Michael's
        work. Over the years, we have tried to snap a few ourselves, and have
        assembled our favorite photos in a portfolio of Michael's original
        origami works. Librarians and teachers especially like these, because
        there are a lot of people out there who have never seen original works
        folded from special hand-made papers. This gives the students something
        to strive for, enhancing their vision of the possible.

If you don't have access to the web, here is their contact info (cut'n'pasted
from the web):

      ALEXANDER BLACE & Co., Inc.
      170 Margin Street Haverhill, MA 01832-5109
      info@origamido.com
      FAX: (978) 373-5503 Phone orders (9am - 5pm, EST): 800-238-1279
      All other phone business: (978) 373-5645

Not affiliated with OrigamiDo, LaFosse, or Blace.  Just an admirer of Michael's
work.

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From: Richard Davies <richardd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:04:55 +0100
Subject: Re: Is this any better?

Steves mails have definitely improved - it was quite a pain to read theem in my
     mailer too. (cc:mail nearly always sends mail in that format as well).
Thanks to Steve and his helper for taking the trouble to sort them out.

Cheers,

Rich





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:14:17 +0100 (
Subject: Re: Allosaurus
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

>
<BIG SNIP>
> out some flaws in the design, which may take a while. At any rate, it will be
> a difficult model to diagram and very difficult to fold (as opposed to, say,
> those in Origami Insects, which are merely mildly challenging). My display
> model has a few small bloodstains from where I split a finger while folding
> it.
Doesn't this just add to the realism ? Those teeth must be sharp :)
<BIGGER SNIP>
--
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From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:16:35 -0300
Subject: Sorry I was unclear (was Re: Blatant Origami Sighting)

>>This is just a short sketch, [[for the Japanese ikebana is much more
>>traditional and "respectable" than origami]].

Er, sorry, I meant [[for (as) the Japanese _people_ regard ikebana as more
traditional...]], not [[for (because) ikebana is more...]].
Next time I'll try avoiding double meanings :-(

        Sincerely,
               Carlos
       furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Chr1sM <Chr1sM@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:00:40 -0400 (
Subject: Re: REMINDER: Origami Test Chat Scheduled

<< > This is just a reminder that the  Origami Talk test chat is tonight,
 Thursday,
 > May 14th at 10 pm(EST)..that's 9(CST)  The topic of conversation will be
 New
 > Origami Books and/or Supportive Materials. >>
Umm, wow it looks like fun, but if might help if you TOLD US WHERE TO GO,
Just a thought...
chr1sm@aol.com
chris miller





From: Rodrigo Pantoja <Pantoja_Rodrigo/santiago-de-chile_tecnologia@SINVEST.ES>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:08:52 -0400
Subject: Lang's Ant

Hi Folks:

      I just folded Lang's ant from "Origami Insects and Their Kin".
I'm amazed by the outcome.  It wasn't easy, but wow!

      Sorry, just had to tell somebody.

Peace,
Rodo.-





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:51:13 +0100
Subject: Re: Blatant Origami Sighting

> 1.  What is an ikebana?

Traditional Japanese flower arranging. I guess there must a web site or
ten devoted to this. I believe there are various schools of ikebana, with
some rivalry between them!

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:22:10 -0400 (
Subject: Apologies: was (RE: Impressions and RE: Reminder)

Oooops, I goofed.

RE: Impressions:

>Marcia Joy Miller wrote:  It was stated that the next Origami Talk is Tuesday
May >25th.  My calendar tells me that Monday is May 25th.  So please tell us,
is
>the date the 25th or the 26th?

I guess I was subconsciously looking forward to the long Memorial Day weekend
when I stated the next scheduled chat to be TUESDAY, the 25th (Memorial
Day).....  I meant to schedule it for TUESDAY, the 19th of May.  Sorry for any
confusion this may have caused.

RE: Reminder:

>Chris Miller wrote:   [RE: neglecting to post the URL to
<A HREF="http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html">Origami Talk</A> .]
Umm, wow it looks like fun, but if might help if you TOLD US WHERE TO GO.

Once again, I apologize.... I will try to be more attentive in the future.

Sincerely,   Russell...RGS467 : \





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:01:54 -0400
Subject: Re: A Philosophical Copyright Question

Thanks, Steve, you have raised quite a few interesting points.  I now have
the financial means to indulge my hobbies, but that was not always the
case.  A few years ago, buying an entire book  because I wanted to fold one
model from it was out of the question.  If you don't get the books when you
see them, they tend to sink without a trace, never to be seen again.  Now,
I buy anything that looks at all interesting in the hope that one day I
will be glad to have it.  This is a very expensive hobby once you progress
past the peace crane and the water bomb.  I'd rather fold  cranes than
bombs...

                                                                Cathy

At 10:04 AM 98-05-13 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings folding community:
>
>This is not meant to take an adamant position on the copyright issue;
>merely to raise some questions that have distracted me from Montroll's bee
>lately.  Of course, the archives are full of wave after wave of discussion
>on this topic ad nauseum, and I am no lawyer.  I do, however, have these
>niggling questions about the "sharing" of diagrams among folders:
>
>1.      I'd be happy to send money to a resource center, clearing house,
>publisher or agent on behalf of an author who has produced a diagram I'd
>like to have but no such arrangements exist that I am aware of.
>
>2.      Many classic books oft referred to within this list are long out of
>print.  How will new folders or those (like myself) unfortunate enough to
>be without these classic publications have access to them?  Not all
>libraries may have access to these or be willing to hunt them down.
>
>3.      Books containing diagrams that are available at one's local library
>may provide an alternative, but apparently it would be considered sinful to
>copy any of the diagrams from one's library book.  (Then why do libraries
>invariably have a copy machine?)
>
>4.      I suppose it's possible that all this legal wrangling may heighten
>awareness of the obligation we have to provide appropriate remuneration for
>diagrams we want to take into our possession through whatever means,
>however, I believe if we followed the stringent guidelines laid out in some
>of the previous e-mails, we would also succeed in causing many of the great
>works that have gone before to become *extinct* through lack of access.  Is
>that what we want?
>
>5.      Have OUSA or any of the other origami organizations ever been
>approached with the idea of finding some way to make diagrams from
>out-of-print books available, while not violating copyright laws?  Any
>lawyer/folders out there?
>
>6.      During a class on newsletters I attended several years ago a
>similar topic was raised.  The rule of thumb given in the answer was "An
>idea cannot be copyrighted; only the execution of it."  So the irony of
>this is that while scanning or xeroxing a diagram would be copyright
>infringement, hand drawing and/or using a CAD program to re-create the
>diagrams in your own style would apparently be acceptable legally...?!
>
>These are just my observations, I certainly don't mean to be argumentative
>or to take issue with Doug and Valerie's comments on this topic, along with
>all the others who've participated in the many discussions of it throughout
>the years.  Still, your thoughts would be interesting...
>
>
>
>                Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"
>                        Steve Woodmansee
>                        stevew@empnet.com
>                    Bend, Oregon
>            http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
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From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:33:38 -0300
Subject: flight prices

Hi to all!

Please, I need to know the prices of the american airlines tickets:
Buenos Aires - N.Y. - Buenos Aires, for the Origani USA Convention.
(I think that buying from there is cheapest than here).

Is there any discount in the ticket for the OUSA members?

Thanks to all

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/origami.htm





From: Maarten van Gelder <maarten@rc.service.rug.nl>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:00:01 +0200
Subject: ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives

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In both cases, send a mail to the list owners:

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mentioning which email address to remove from the list.
The list owners are human beings with a limited amount of time, so be patient
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When you don't get messages from the list (even not your own messages) you
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For those of you who have forgotten how to ACCESS the ARCHIVES ......
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From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 05:20:21 -0700
Subject: When to Wet Fold

Hi all:

I've progressed in my origami skills to the point of considering wet
folding.  I like the organic look of the finished models but I have some
concerns and questions.

First, what did everyone else use as their first experiment with wet
folding?  How did it turn out?

Also, even though I will also scan the archives for the same information,
do most of you wet the paper after all the precreasing or right at the
first when it's just a plain piece of paper?

How does the standard (non textured, colored on one side) paper seem to
work with wet-folding?  Many of the models in my books seem to be from the
jazzier stuff with pebbled or leather-like surfaces...?

Just a few questions from here at the edge of the great cliff...

Origami:  "Stop Drop and Fold!"
Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com
Bend, Oregon
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From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:02:24 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Impressions of Origami Talk

>I, first, want to thank all those who participated in the
><A HREF="http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html">Origami
>Talk</A>  test chat.  I  thoroughly enjoyed the comradery and got
>some good advice regarding my next origami text purchases.

Did anyone "log" the chat discussion. I would love to see a text
recording of the entire session. Could this be looked at for future
sessions? Oh well, just dreaming...

Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
wflu@hotmail.com

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From: JacAlArt <JacAlArt@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:15:15 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Sighting!

In the opening scene of the movie Clockwatchers (an independent film staring
Parker Posey and Toni Collette), the office receptionist is reading -- and I
forget the real name -- Origami According To Honda -- I think. The recent
release of the book is a rather large and thick paperback with a red devil
mask on the front cover. By the way, the movie is great -- especially for all
you Parker Posey fans or fans of independent films. There are no car chases or
explosions. Nobody gets killed. Nobody is naked.

~Alec





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:19:03 +0200
Subject: Re: When to Wet Fold

On Sat, 16 May 1998, Steve Woodmansee wrote:
> First, what did everyone else use as their first experiment with wet
> folding?  How did it turn out?

I don't remember which exact model it was, but I know that I used
elephanmt hide for it, since I'd heard that this kind of paper was
particularly suited for wet-folding. Good models to start with are
Yoshizawa's models; I particularly like his bat and his camel from Sasaku
Origami.

> do most of you wet the paper after all the precreasing or right at the
> first when it's just a plain piece of paper?

I wet the paper before I do the precreases, and I seem to keep my paper
fairly moist compared to what I've read on this list.

> How does the standard (non textured, colored on one side) paper seem to
> work with wet-folding?

Ahhh ... not at all? Frankly, I have never even thought of wet-folding
normal origami paper---I suppose it would rip the instant it came into
contact with the sponge. I use watercolor paper (brand names in Germany
are "Canson Mi-Teintes", "Merian Ingres B"utten" or "D"urer
Aquarell-B"utten") or elephant hide; most kinds of washi don't seem to
work because the surface gets very fuzzy. Both watercolor paper and
elephant hide are available in many colours, you just have to look around
in artists' shops and the like.

> Many of the models in my books seem to be from the jazzier stuff with
> pebbled or leather-like surfaces...?

The "pebbled" stuff is probably watercolor paper, but I've been looking
for quite a while for this leather-like paper. I have seen it in A4 format
as a book cover, but not in bigger sizes.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Tom Deptola <steeldog@ENTER.NET>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:52:08 -0400
Subject: NEW AT ORIGAMI. . .HELP!

I can't make a crane. boy i really suck at origami





From: Vincent & Veronique <osele@MYGALE.ORG>
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:04:58 +0000
Subject: Re: Competition: find a logotype for Origami Sweden
Priority: normal

Hello,

Le 13 May 98,  notre cher Dino crivait:

>                     One option we have so far is to use a folded mask of a
> Viking, but the model belongs to someone from Spain
> which we have no idea how to contact for permission (I don't even know his
> name)...and in these stormy waters of copyrights,
[...]

Didier Boursin has designed a 'Gaulois' (French ancestor) that look
like a viking.
As you come to the french convention in May (the program say that
:-), you could perharps meet him. I'm not sure he come.
(I will be present to this meeting but I haven't created any viking
:-( )

He use the bird base, and follow with the evil from Robert Harbin...
You could designed your own viking with that ?

Bye,
Vincent
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From: Vulcano <vulcano@BR.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:21:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Origami Chat Room

Fantastic Folds: it is really fantastic!! I would say that it is an
intermediate book.
Lilian

At 21:10 14/05/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>     I would have liked to participate in the chat session tonight, but I
>could not register.
>How far in advance was a member supposed to register?  I've never done this
>before and tried to
>access the chat and got Alex Barber's website, but that was all.  What I
>wanted to find out from
>other folders was their opinions of these new books ( new to me
>anyhow):Fantastic Folds - Stoker
>and Williamson, Festive Folds - Jackson and Ultimate Origami Book/Kit.  Do
>they have lots of models
>for intermediate and beginning folders?  Also, I was interested in
>Takahama's Origami of Four Seasons.
>It's very expensive.  How is it for intermediate folders?
>Ria Sutter





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:03:34 -0700 (
Subject: Finding origami books...

Hello!

Doug Phillips wrote:

>...going to the library and using their internet access...
>...I can tell then which book and which library to get it from..."

Please tell us more about the above procedure.  Thank you.

                                    Marcia Joy Miller

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From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:17:17 +0100
Subject: Re: When to Wet Fold

Another opinion on wetfolding:

>First, what did everyone else use as their first experiment with wet
>folding?  How did it turn out?

Bats seem popular: I folded Michael LaFosse's. It's on a videotape of his
and also in the .pdf archive. Several of his tapes offer detailed
instructions on wet folding, and are excellent. The bat turned out well;
the tape (video, not masking) made failure virtually impossible.

>Also, even though I will also scan the archives for the same information,
>do most of you wet the paper after all the precreasing or right at the
>first when it's just a plain piece of paper?

I try to precrease dry paper if many intersecting creases must be made,
but I suspect there are advantages and disadvantages to either choice.

>How does the standard (non textured, colored on one side) paper seem to
>work with wet-folding?

Actually, to get a sharp point or perform some difficult shaping, I have
on occasion dampened a small section of kami slightly. Definitely not
standard practice, but it works.

-Jane





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:00:35 -0500
Subject: Re: NEW AT ORIGAMI. . .HELP!

Hi Tom:

Go to Joseph Wu's
page..http://www-personal.umich.edu/~adysart/origami/crane/

There is an excellent diagram on how to make a crane. That's how I
learned.

Kathy <*))))><

Tom Deptola wrote:

> I can't make a crane. boy i really suck at origami





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:00:43 -0700 (
Subject: Capital Folders Origami

>>Capital Folders Origami, Washington DC will meet on the Second Tuesday
of each month through December 1998.  Our meetings are scheduled from
6:30 to 8:45PM.  If you would like to join us for dinner before the
meeting, please contact Steve Buck at folder@dc.net no later than the
day before the meeting.

>>On Tuesday, June 9 we will meet in the second
floor stack at the Cleveland Park Library, Connecticut Av & Macomb St,
NW, Cleveland Park Station on the Red Line.  Zone and paid parking in
the neighborhood.  This will be our LAST meeting at Cleveland Park
Library.

>>Beginning Tuesday, July 14 through December 8, we will return to our
former meeting place the Tenley-Friendship Library, Wisconsin Ave &
Albemarle St, NW, Tenleytown-AU Station on the Red Line.  We meet on the
second floor in the Children's Library on the Second Tuesday of each
month.  Street parking is available.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:03:06 -0700 (
Subject: Glow in the Dark Paper

I saw packages of Yasutomo's Glow in the Dark Paper today at Total
Crafts.  It is $5.95 for 5 sheets of 5 7/8" squares.

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From: MORGANA <la.llibreria@BCN.SERVICOM.ES>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:45:39 +0200
Subject: VIKING MASK

HOLA.

I`m new on the list. My inglish is very bad and I beg your pardon in my
first message.

If you don't understand my messages please tell me it.

Refer to de viking mask the autor is GABRIEL ALVAREZ.

the diagram is in the book "El libro de las marcaras de papel plegado"
Ed. Alianza Editorial N:1828 ISBN 84-206-0828-9.

GAGRIEL ALVAREZ is member of GRUPO ZARAGOZANO
you can to contac him at:

GRUPO ZARAGOZANO DE PAPIROFLEXIA
AP. CORREOS 11.073
50080 ZARAGOZA ESPAQA

OR

ASOCIACION ESPAQOLA DE PAPIROFLEXIA
C/VICTOR ANDRES BELAUNDE, 8,OF. 11
28016 MADRID ESPAQA.

and GRUPO ZARAGOZANO have a web page in
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/4091/

haasta pronto
Nicolas Jenson





From: Kathie Franotovich <KatFrano@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:52:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

For transparent paper, try using view graph stock.  I've made little origami
wallets and business card holders out of it.  You have to crease it pretty
hard, but it's pretty tough material.  Try different brands; some types are
quite slick and glass-like, others have a rougher feel.
Kathie Frano





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:36:08 -0500
Subject: Origami Ships

Hi all:

My boyfriend's brother builds Ships-in-Bottles. (they are very
impressive, he is very talented, one of his models was given to actor
Kevin Costner as a corporate gift for his upcoming movie) anyway...I
have been talking to him about my origami and he was wondering if there
were any origami ship models? He may be interested in giving it a try
with the idea of bottling it.

Does anyone know of any nice origami ship models?

I have seen the "Transparent Bottle" in Eric Kenneway's "Origami
Paperfolding For Fun". I am definitely going to make him this. They
suggest thin acetate??? Libra-Protecta film????  Does anyone know what
or where I can find this, or any other suggestion for transparent paper?

Thank you for your help, I would appreciate any ideas. :)

Kathy  <*))))><





From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:03:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

> Does anyone know of any nice origami ship models?
There is a ship by Patricia Crawford in Harbin's _Origami_Step_by_Step_ that
has three 'masts' with sails full, and it isn't that challenging to fold
(relatively).  It generally comes out very well.  This book has been out of
print for a long time, but it is being rereleased as we speak for the sum
total of about $4.  I have been waiting for my copy from amazon.com for a
while; the web site still says that it has a May release date.

Of the ships I've seen, this one is the one of the most impressive.  In fact,
I have been waiting for my copy of the book so that I can go buy Brill's book,
and put together the ship (Crawford's) in the bottle myself.  Let us know if
you get any leads on that film.

J.B. Raasch





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:25:46 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

>They
>suggest thin acetate??? Libra-Protecta film????  Does anyone know what
>or where I can find this, or any other suggestion for transparent paper?

Acetate sheets used to be avaliable at any old art supply store. Maybe
they still are, but I haven't looked for at least a decade.

-Jane





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:03:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

James B. Raasch indited:

+There is a ship by Patricia Crawford in Harbin's _Origami_Step_by_Step_ that
+has three 'masts' with sails full, and it isn't that challenging to fold
+(relatively).  It generally comes out very well.  This book has been out of
+print for a long time, but it is being rereleased as we speak for the sum
+total of about $4.  I have been waiting for my copy from amazon.com for a
+while; the web site still says that it has a May release date.

This and many other of Patrica Crawford's models (including her Squirrel on a
Log, and Unicorn) are rediagramed in J.C. Nolan's Creating Origami.  That book
is not on most book store shelves, but can be ordered from OUSA
(www.origami-usa.org), Origamido (www.origamido.com), and Fascinating Folds
(www.fascinating-folds.com) and maybe other places.

Don't forget to check the origami mailing list archives.  On the web, you can
start from Joseph Wu's page: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/
If you don't have access to the web, you can search via email through Maarten
va Gelder's origami@ftp.rug.nl address (send a one line message 'help' for
help).

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:06:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Finding origami books...

Marcia Joy Miller wrote:

+>...going to the library and using their internet access...
+>...I can tell then which book and which library to get it from..."
+
+Please tell us more about the above procedure.  Thank you.

There isn't much to tell.  All of the branch libraries of the Carnegie Library
of Pittsburgh have their own library home page which includes a link to the
search engine for the local combined "database" of books on the shelves.
These pages are specific to the Pittsburgh area libraries, I would imagine
that any library that has web access also has some of their card catalog
online as well.  For other things, I use alta vista.

But your library should folks on staff that can give you answers based on
their set up.

-D'gou





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:47:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

> Hi all:
>
> My boyfriend's brother builds Ships-in-Bottles. (they are very
> impressive, he is very talented, one of his models was given to actor
> Kevin Costner as a corporate gift for his upcoming movie) anyway...I
> have been talking to him about my origami and he was wondering if there
> were any origami ship models? He may be interested in giving it a try
> with the idea of bottling it.
>
> Does anyone know of any nice origami ship models?
>
> I have seen the "Transparent Bottle" in Eric Kenneway's "Origami
> Paperfolding For Fun". I am definitely going to make him this. They
> suggest thin acetate??? Libra-Protecta film????  Does anyone know what
> or where I can find this, or any other suggestion for transparent paper?
>
> Thank you for your help, I would appreciate any ideas. :)
>
> Kathy  <*))))><

There is a nice set-up in Brilliant Origami, by David Brill. This gives a
bottle, a cap and a Yatch too. Im not too keen on this yatch, however,
there are many boats and ships available in various books, Origami by
Harbin is one such, and gives a masted ship; this is a rather old book
however, and Im not sure if the version I have is still in print; in the
UK, the first half of this book is available as 'Teach yourself Origami',
sadly without the ship diagrams.

Have fun,
S.G. O'Hanlon
fishgoth@dial.pipex.com





From: Dr ibalz <Dribalz@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:53:43 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Sighting-Sinatra

In the Saturday edition of the New York Post, there was wall to wall coverage
of the death of Frank Sinatra.  There was a picture of a bartender showing a
picture of Frank, the bartender and some other woman.  Surrounding the picture
were about 7 or 8 money folds.  Most of them were bow ties, but 2 of them were
the dollar bill shirt by Rachel Katz.

Andrew Hans





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:40:39 -0400
Subject: Correct math term

Silly question but it's buggin' me.

For a square, we know the diagonal is the corner to corner fold. What is
the correct math term for the fold (line) created by a book fold?

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:45:28 +0100
Subject: More E-mail-software oddities?

With the help of the 12-year-old programmer in my family, I figured out
(at least partly) something this morning that I thought others on the
list might find useful.

In a posting by Russell, my mail program gave me this as the locations of
the origami chat:
<A HREF="http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html">Origami Talk</A>

Also, D'gou lists his home page in his signature as:
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>

My son says that the quotation marks, and everything to their left and
right, is html (hypertext markup language) for a link, and not part of
the URL (internet address). Can't tell if these addresses were meant to
appear as underlined links that did not work with my e-mail software, or
if they simply came through oddly, but I imagine I was not the only one
who has been puzzled by all the extra characters.

While I'm at it, what does "NO:" in a subject line mean? It always seems
rather startling.

Anyway, two sites worth visiting, once you know how.

-Jane
Here I am, an old man in a dry month,
Being read to by a boy, waiting for rain.





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:14:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Devil

If you have OFTC, you may want to try the ET crease pattern from there.

Or if you have Origami Omnibus try the crease patterns for the Peacock.

I have created the peacock from the crease patterns.  They are far
simpler than the ones for the devil and may give you some insight into
Maekawa's design process.

I have folded the Demon, but I did so from the sketchy diagrams that
everyone talks about.  Even using the diagrams is a little puzzle in
itself.  I got everything but the ears.

It may be helpful to identify BODY PARTS to certain areas of the crease
pattern, email me privately and I will look them up from my diagrams.

Brett@hagerhinge.com
B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Richard Davies [mailto:richardd@REDAC.CO.UK]
                Sent:   Friday, May 15, 1998 10:19 AM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Devil

                > 2 The nearest I can call a publicly-available, legal,
ethically ok source
                > of diagrams (well, almost) for the FULL demon:
www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/
                > People/MAEK0/Bunko/Animal/index-e.html includes a
crease pattern
                > (unfortunately, even the larger image is rather
small). Believe me,
                > after transferring the pattern proportions to a square
of paper it
                > IS possible folding the model.  After all, 90% of V!O
instructions
                > for the demon is a long sequence of precreases just
for getting the
                > right proportions. In a long step, everything
magically collapses
                > into a many-pointed diamond with two flaps (to-be
hands). The text
                > says what part of body which point should turn into,
and that's the
                > last diagram!

                Does anyone have any other tips for masochists
attempting to fold this just from
                the crease pattern? :)

                Cheers,

                Rich

                Richard Davies                  Tel:    01454  207800
x8703
                Leading Software Engineer       Fax:    01454  207803
                Zuken-Redac Ltd                 E-Mail:
richardd@redac.co.uk





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:09:11 -0600
Subject: Re: When to Wet Fold

Steve Woodmansee wrote:

> do most of you wet the paper after all the precreasing or right at the
> first when it's just a plain piece of paper?
>

When folding a model that requires it is a good idea to not wet the entire
paper first.  But rather take a damp cloth and draw a line along the area
where the crease will go, just before folding.  Then after all the creases are
made dampen the entire paper.

> How does the standard (non textured, colored on one side) paper seem to
> work with wet-folding?

It is possible to wet fold with standard paper if you are careful.  Don't damp
the whole paper. Use a slightly damp cloth, and wet the areas you are folding
as you go along.  Micheal Lafosse, shows you how to do this in his Penquin &
Squirrel video.   Another method I have used is to dry fold the model, then
use an atomizer to dampen the completed model to do final sculpting.   I found
this useful with  Lang's cicada, in "Origami Insects".   By dampening the
abodomen, I was able keep it from point up in the air.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners any day?  *
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From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:43:27 -1000
Subject: Re: Correct math term

Jeff Kerwood wrote:
>
> Helena,
>
> > You could try calling it the "perpendicular bisector of an edge"
>
> + OK, that sounds official
>
> > I say to people "fold the paper in half, like this"  I've not had
> > any problems with that description so far.
>
> + Yeah, that (or saying book fold) works fine for me too. I don't really
> have any trouble communicating about the fold it's just a curiosity kind of
> question. So far it looks like there is no standard term for it like there
> is for diagonal.
>
> + Thanks, Jeff
Wouldn't "bookfold" also mean the paper is bisected since all books I
know of are centered, can't think of any offset...?
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





From: Barbra0336 <Barbra0336@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:48:47 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Correct math term

In a message dated 5/18/98 8:15:42 AM, you wrote:

<<For a square, we know the diagonal is the corner to corner fold. What is

the correct math term for the fold (line) created by a book fold?>>

Perhaps just vertical or horizontal would satisfy your curiosity.

Barbara





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:41:28 -0700 (
Subject: Correct Math Term

Hello!

Jeff Kerwood wrote:

>What is the correct math term for the fold (line) created by a
>bookfold?

When I teach a model I call the line created by a bookfold that has
been folded and unfolded, a "book crease".

Marcia Joy Miller

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From: Maldon7929 <Maldon7929@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:56:22 -0400 (
Subject: Re: When to Wet Fold

>First, what did everyone else use as their first experiment with wet
>folding?  How did it turn out?

My first wet folded model was "The flasher Maze" out of elephant hide (brand
name Wynstone Marble 4.5).  Second was vase made out of papyrus shaped like
bamboo. Both turned out quite well.  I paticurally happy with the vase. First
because papyrus is so beautiful, second because it tends to split when folded
dry.

It seems worth mentioning that there are three types of wet folding.  The most
common is dampen the paper then fold/shape the model.  This method assumes the
model will have dried enough by the final step to hold it's shape upon
completion.  If the shape does not hold  paper clips, clothes pins, rubber
bands or twine can be used to hold the folds in place while the paper dries.

Second (this relates to flashers) is to fold the model collapse it, wrap with
twine (or rubber bands) spray with a mist and allow to dry.  This creates a
memory in the paper allowing for a kind of spring action.

Third is the method Jane mentioned, moistening the paper at specific
locations.  Alternately, moistening your fingers while folding has the same
effect.

>do most of you wet the paper after all the precreasing or right at the
>first when it's just a plain piece of paper?

With the exception of papyrus I have never really "wet" the paper. Moisten
maybe a better term.  The problem with precreasing first is when the paper is
moistened the creases tend to disappear.  Remember the purpose of adding
moisture is to allow the sizing in the paper to reestablish itself  (There
must be a better term than reestablish.)

>How does the standard (non textured, colored on one side) paper seem to
>work with wet-folding?

O.K. for practice but in the long run it is just to flimsy.

Nick, do you still have some words of wet folding wisdom on a web page?

Maldon





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:10:31 -0400
Subject: More E-mail-software oddities?

HTML "markup" language is plain ASCII text, so it
mails OK, but all the funny looking markup stuff makes
it hard to read if your email program doestn't know
how to translate it.

If your email program does speak HTML, however, it will
display the URL's as live links that you can click on
and jump directly to in your web browser.

"NO" or "NOR" in the Subject line of a message to
the origami mail list (some of us still refer to it
as the "origami-L") mean that the message is
"Not Origami (Related)". People use that to indicate
off-topic subject matter that they think some people
still might be interested in.

Valerie Vann





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:21:29 -0400
Subject: Re: More E-mail-software oddities?

Jane,

> While I'm at it, what does "NO:" in a subject line mean? It always seems
> rather startling.

+ No means "NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO READ THIS EMAIL" (just kidding of course)
;-). Really, NO means that there is NO origami content in the email (maybe
the email is talking about email problems or a poem or a personal problem
with the listserver - things like that). I bet if you join that Tuesday
Netiquette chat you hear this again ;-).

+ Bye, Jeff





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:45:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Correct math term

Jeff wrote:

> <<For a square, we know the diagonal is the corner to corner fold. What
is
> the correct math term for the fold (line) created by a book fold?>>

Barbara Wrote:

> Perhaps just vertical or horizontal would satisfy your curiosity.

+ Well, if that's all there is then that's all there is but then you also
have to remember to specify paper orientation (when a corner of the paper
is pointing up then saying vertical would mean diagonal and not would
satisfy my curiosity ;-)). And I'm just plain curious what the official
math term is.

+ Thanks for your thought, Jeff





From: Kathie Frano & Kids <KatFrano@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:13:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

You should be able to find view graph stock in any office supply store; it's
for photocopy machines (e.g., Xerox machines); it's used to make overhead
projections to use in giving presentations, etc.
If you have trouble finding it, email me privately; maybe I could snail-mail
you a few sheets . . .
Kathie F.

Kathie Franotovich
KatFrano@worldnet.att.net





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:40:07 -0400 (
Subject: REMINDER: Scheduled Chat in "Origami Talk"---MAY 19

This is just a reminder that the scheduled "Origami Talk" chat is tommorrow
night, Tuesday, May 19th at 9 pm(EST) ..that's 8(CST) ....[an hour earlier
than last week's]  The topic of conversation will be: netiquette on the
listserve and favorite models and books.   Also, wetfolding and foil papers
will be discussed...  However, the floor will be open for discussion on other
topics.

Here is the Link and the URL to Geocitie's  <A HREF="http://www.the-
village.com/origami/talk.html">Origami Talk</A>  :

http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html

Hope to have a great chat!

Russell : \

***This schedule chat,  <A HREF="http://www.the-
village.com/origami/talk.html">Origami Talk</A>  is NOT to be confused with
AOL's  <A HREF="aol://2719:67-2-Origamichat">Origamichat</A> .





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:30:29 -0500
Subject: the demon's ears!

Brett <brett@hagerhinge.com> writes:

>I have folded the Demon, but I did so from the sketchy diagrams that
>everyone talks about.  Even using the diagrams is a little puzzle in
>itself.  I got everything but the ears.

Not even the diagrams in Viva Origami are very helpful--in fact I have
always relied on the cover photographs to help me with the final finishing
details.

I believe I have come up with a solution for the ears that is most
satisfactory.

If you look at the wings, you will see that they are made up of multiple
layers of paper (six, I think).  Pull out (and pull downward as far as you
can) everything but a single outer layer for both the front and the back
aspect of the wings.

What you can do is fashion these four inner layers into an eartip, pulling
it in front of the wing and then inward as close to the face as possible.
The excess paper can be hidden by pushing it into the model, just behind
the paper layer that makes for the demon's body.

With a finishing crimp along each side of the ear to make it appear
spade-shaped, you will have a result that rivals the photo.  A couple of
nice pointy ears adds character to the demon, so do give this a try!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:39:44 -0500
Subject: Re: When to Wet Fold

Kim Best:

>It is possible to wet fold with standard paper if you are careful.  Don't damp
>the whole paper. Use a slightly damp cloth, and wet the areas you are folding
>as you go along.  Micheal Lafosse, shows you how to do this in his Penquin &
>Squirrel video.   Another method I have used is to dry fold the model, then
>use an atomizer to dampen the completed model to do final sculpting.

I have also dry-folded up to a certain point in a model, then applied water
using an artist's paint-brush.  I like this when having to deal with
certain pesky creases but don't want to risk getting the whole model
saturated.  I also find it very easy to control "how wet" the paper is
going to be.  Works very well for smaller-scale models, too.

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:46:04 +0100
Subject: Origami Sweden - helmet diagrams...

I've come up with a simple Viking Helmet, which is diagrammed &
available from the "creative work" section of my homepage. AFAIK it's
original, but as always, if anyone has discovered it before, please let
me know...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Helena Verrill <helena@MAST.QUEENSU.CA>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:49:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Correct math term

You could try calling it the "perpendicular bisector of an edge";
personally, I never use that term, or the term "book fold" when
I'm showing someon how to fold something; (since for a non origami
person "book fold" has less meaning than "perpendicular bisector";
I say to people "fold the paper in half, like this"  I've not had
eny problems with that description so far.
Helena





From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:02:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

I have made the Crawford ship and put it into a Brill Bottle made of
acetate.  Acetate is tricky stuff because if you fold it too sharply, it
tends to crack/break along the fold.  It can be done, but I'd be
interested in finding something else more amenable to folding... The
modelw were given to a friend who is really into sailing --and was most
appreciative... Just my $.02 on this.
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:05:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

where can one find this?
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu

On Sun, 17 May 1998, Kathie Franotovich wrote:

> For transparent paper, try using view graph stock.  I've made little origami
> wallets and business card holders out of it.  You have to crease it pretty
> hard, but it's pretty tough material.  Try different brands; some types are
> quite slick and glass-like, others have a rougher feel.
> Kathie Frano





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:13:40 +1000
Subject: Re: Finding origami books...

On Sun, 17 May 1998, Marcia Joy Miller wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Doug Phillips wrote:
>
> >...going to the library and using their internet access...
> >...I can tell then which book and which library to get it from..."
>
> Please tell us more about the above procedure.  Thank you.
>
>                                     Marcia Joy Milller

In Australia, most libraries are subscribed to ABN (Australain
Bibliographic Network), which lists the holdings of these libraries as
well as the bibliographic descriptions of the books.

In slightly plainer english, and more to the point in regards to your
question, if you know any details of a particular book - for example,
title, author, ISBN - the librarian can search ABN for the book and give
you a list of the libraries who have a copy. Usually the library can then
arrange an inter-library loan for a small fee. I stress usually, as
sometimes ABN is not up-to-date, and/or the particular library may not
wish to lend their precious copy (or they have weeded it out of their
collection - shock!!).

I know this is Australia and not the US, but I am assuming a similar
process.

Regards,

Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:29:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

Peg Barber wrote:

+I have made the Crawford ship and put it into a Brill Bottle made of
+acetate.  Acetate is tricky stuff because if you fold it too sharply, it
+tends to crack/break along the fold.  It can be done, but I'd be
+interested in finding something else more amenable to folding... The
+modelw were given to a friend who is really into sailing --and was most
+appreciative... Just my $.02 on this.

I haven't done that bottle yet, but I have found that ordinary ol' wax
paper is great for many a transparent model (Joseph Wu's Snowflake and
Lewis Simon's Snow Crystal both look great folded from wax paper).

-D'gou





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:38:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Correct math term

Helena,

> You could try calling it the "perpendicular bisector of an edge"

+ OK, that sounds official

> I say to people "fold the paper in half, like this"  I've not had
> any problems with that description so far.

+ Yeah, that (or saying book fold) works fine for me too. I don't really
have any trouble communicating about the fold it's just a curiosity kind of
question. So far it looks like there is no standard term for it like there
is for diagonal.

+ Thanks, Jeff





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:52:28 -0400
Subject: Cheesy Peas...

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon wrote:
<< Or is it
<< 'Sodding Origami' without yer front teeth?

pleeeese, this is a family-rated mailing list...
:-)

valerie





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:46:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Ships

>You should be able to find view graph stock in any office supply store; it's
>for photocopy machines (e.g., Xerox machines); it's used to make overhead
>projections to use in giving presentations, etc.

Yes, I have also used overhead transparency paper to make Dave Brill's
bottle (with Patricia Crawford's three-masted ship.)  It also makes an
elegant hexagonal twist box, so do give that a try.  My next effort will be
John Montroll's star!   :)

If you have a choice, get the *thinnest* possible.

My first effort was out of acetate:  a lovely model which has held up and
has maintained its transparency for a dozen years--I'm not sure how well
the graph stock will do.  But, yes, this was truly awful to fold--I had to
resort to using a letter opener (in lieu of a bone folder) which I heated
up in scalding water in order to achieve some of the critical folds without
cracking it.

You must be very, very patient with the inside locking folds at both ends
of the bottle, regardless of what transparent material you use.  But
persevere!  This is a stand-out in any collection, and your friends will
marvel that you were able to accomplish this.

I was musing in an art supply store the other day:  wouldn't it be great to
find a filmy material that could be easily folded and shaped, then put into
a warm oven and baked to a hard, crystalline finish?  Calling all polymer
chemists!   :)

Rob





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:47:13 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Impressions of Origami Talk

In a message dated 98-05-17 09:43:26 EDT, you write:

<<
 Did anyone "log" the chat discussion. I would love to see a text
 recording of the entire session. Could this be looked at for future
 sessions? Oh well, just dreaming...
  >>

Sorry, Wayne, the chat was not logged.  BTW, we chatted for an hour and a
half.  I would be willing to post a synopsis of the chat discussion;  but, as
for actually logging (verbatim) the conversation, I feel that's something that
should be discussed with the group.

Some might be opposed to being quoted from the log...  because the chat
scenario lends itself to a more casual atmosphere... and some things may not
necessarily be appropriate to post for eternal posterity.

I'll bring it up in the chat... and we'll see how it comes out in the wash.
Thanks for your interest in  Origami Talk .

Sincerely,

Russell (RGS467@AOL.com) : \

DARE TO FOLD!!!!





From: "Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon" <fishgoth@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:03:32 +0100
Subject: Cheesy Peas...

Just a quick one for Nick,

Ever had the dish 'Mataar Panear' at an Indian Restaurant? Its made of
Peas...with cheese! Dead gorgeous. By the way, you call Origami paper
foDDing in yer home page. Sommat to do with paper arrow fodder? Or is it
'Sodding Origami' without yer front teeth?

Im off to wet fold with my mataar panear...

Dr S.G. O'Hanlon
fishgoth@dial.pipex.com
