




From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 09:51:00 -0400 (
Subject: Mickey & Minnie in Web Page

>> I have received more than 40 asks for the Mickey & Minnie diagrams, so to
>> avoid to send long time to download files, I included them in my side. On
>> that way everybody can see them.
>> If somebody have any questions about the diagrams, drop me a line.
>> Thank you for the interest.

Your e-mail address no longer appears with your message, so I have to
ask on the list:  where are the diagrams available?

Thanks.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





From: Jeffrey Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 10:13:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Other Disney/ Cartoon Characters

 Hello everyone!

It certainly seems as if there is was allot of interest in the Mickey/ Minnie
Mouse diagrams.  I was wondering if anyone knew of other character diagrams?

I, personally, would love to find diagrams to Winnie the Pooh characters.  A
while back, I saw such diagrams sold on the net -- so I know that they exist.

It seems as if these diagrams are not only fun to make, but they are a great way
to get children excited about Origami.  They would make a wonderful teaching
tool.

Thanks!
Jeff





From: vandy <rvandeberg@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 10:16:55 -0600
Subject: Re: Mickey & Minnie in Web Page

> I love these diagrams but when I print them out they are very fuzzy and
> impossible to read (text that is not part of the diagram is fine). I don't
> have this problem with other things I print out and am wondering if others
> are having the same problem. I wouldn't bother the group with this except
> these models are soooo nice.
>
> Thanks, Jeff Kerwood
> jkerwood@usaor.net
>
> --------------------

I am also having trouble printing out the diagrams.  Glad to know it is
not just me and my limited technology.

Thanks, Vandy
rvandeberg@sprynet.com





From: Jeffrey Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 10:22:16 -0400
Subject: Off Line Browsers

 Quick Question--

I am interested in off line browsers.  Basically, what they do, is download an
entire web page (or as much of it as you want) to your hard drive.  Why would
you want to do that?  Lets say you are on an Origami web page that has 20
diagrams for 1 model.  Instead of downloading each diagram individually, this
program will automatically download all of the diagrams.

It seems as if this could save a lot of time.

I have been looking into the different programs available, and have spoken to
several people about this issue already.  I was hoping to get some more feedback
though.

Thanks!
Jeff





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 11:19:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Other Disney/ Cartoon Characters

>It certainly seems as if there is was allot of interest in the Mickey/ Minnie
>Mouse diagrams.  I was wondering if anyone knew of other character diagrams?
>
>I, personally, would love to find diagrams to Winnie the Pooh characters.  A
>while back, I saw such diagrams sold on the net -- so I know that they exist.

I have a feeling that the Net will open up a whole "underground" market for
diagrams that will never be published in book form because of trademark or
copyright headaches.  I recall getting into this discussion over the
Enterprise model.

Rob





From: JacAlArt <JacAlArt@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:21:46 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Mickey & Minnie in Web Page

In a message dated 5/3/98 6:13:28 AM, you wrote:

<<I love these diagrams but when I print them out they are very fuzzy and

impossible to read (text that is not part of the diagram is fine). I don't

have this problem with other things I print out and am wondering if others

are having the same problem. I wouldn't bother the group with this except

these models are soooo nice>>

Same here. Fuzzy.
~Alec





From: Alex Barber <barber@ADMIN.CARLBERG.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:17:25 -0500
Subject: Chat Room Test (was Re: chat room)

>Would love to participate in a chat room for Origami.  Does anyone know how to
>start one up?  I think it would be great fun to have ongoing discussions.

If you have a Java-capable web browser, take a look at
http://www.the-village.com/origami/talk.html

I found a really simple Java applet that handles chat rooms and added it to
my web server. Right now the only "room" that I have set up is Origami, but
others could be added later to split up conversation topics on folding.

Anyway, give it a try, and have fun if you want to arrange some live meetings.

I'll look into some other chat software to see what I can find for non-Java
browsers.

Alex Barber

--
tel 713.965.0764 fax 713.965.0135
barber@admin.carlberg.com





From: Doris.L@T-ONLINE.DE
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 19:42:00 +0100
Subject: Mickey and Minnie Mouse

Hi,
NOA is the monthly Nihon Origami Association's magazine.

Origamically
Doris





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 19:57:47 -0500
Subject: moneyfold

Hi David:

Thanks for the Graduation party idea.
She would spend it! :)  Heck, I would too (depending on how many zeros).

I have a book of moneyfolds, I folded an owl and a dolphin. I gave the
owl to a gal  (she collects owls) that owns a diner that I visit often
and she thought it was just a crumbled up dollar and started to unfold
it until I told her it was an owl. Oh she replied I should have looked
at it, and then tried to display it. It's upside down, I said.

Too Funny!  Hey, it was a good owl too!!

That was my first experience but I'm going to keep trying.  I still have
the dolphin, waiting for the right time for that one.

Kathy <*))))><

David Work wrote:

> You might try money folds.  Folding up a large bill and placing it in
> a
> card. But the problem is too spend or keep the money fold.
>
> David Work
> davwork@kci.net





From: VVOrigami <VVOrigami@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 20:19:56 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Magic Rose Cube (again!)

In a message dated 98-05-01 17:14:55 EDT, you write:

> The Magic Rose Cube has now reached Scotland (Thanks Colin!).
>

Glad to hear this; my maternal grandfather was a Scot, and since
the rest of my immediate ancestors are "generic Anglo-American",
and Californian to 3 generations, Scotland is about the closest
I come to claiming an "ethnic origin". :-)

Valerie Vann





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 00:18:25 -0400
Subject: Re: party favors

At 01:30 PM 5/2/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know any Origami for a Graduation? That hat thingy or the
>robe maybe?  Any other ideas? I appreciate any suggestions.

There is a mortar-board (hat thingy)in New Origami by Steve and Megumi
Biddle.  It is under storytelling origami and is step 20 of the Printer's Hat.

Having just finished my degree and clinical course work on Friday  :) I have
three weeks until commencement, perhaps I can fold a life-size mortar-board
and robe and go decked out in Origami garb...

I'm so thrilled to finally have a real job to support my habit (oh, the
things I have done to keep paper on the table these many years) that I just
might do it!

Sarah

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sarah Wooden                          So much paper, so little time...
sarah@fredart.com
http://www.fredart.com/sarah/





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:13:54 -0500
Subject: book review?

Hi All:

Any comments on Peter Engel's "Origami Angel Fish to Zen"?

I heard he is hard to fold or follow? Is it for advanced folders?

Kathy <*))))><





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:42:03 -0700
Subject: Graduation party favors

Thanks Sarah!
     Your mention of the hat in The New Origami adds another possibility to
Kathy's and my own quest
for graduation favors.  My daughter and God daughter will get a kick out of
getting those models for
graduation.  I also would like to see a picture of you in an origami cap and
gown!
Ria Sutter  ^---^





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:42:01 -0700
Subject: Greenville, NC Folders?

Any folders in Greenville, NC?  Will be in town for a week and would like
to meet, if possible...

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Rodrigo Pantoja <Pantoja_Rodrigo/santiago-de-chile_tecnologia@SINVEST.ES>
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:12:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Off Line Browsers

Jeff wrote:
>I am interested in off line browsers

I don't know if you've seen a PC Magazine FREE utility called
SiteSnagger.  I've used for more or less the same purposes you mention.
You can find it at
http://www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/pcmag_info.html?fcode
=000P7Z.

Peace,
Rodo.-





From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:46:32 +0200
Subject: Re: Q on Lang Blue Crab

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Chinh Nguyen wrote:

> Does this thing require paper colored on both sides?  I get a two-toned
> work...
>
> --Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
>
> "Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
>         (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
>         *true*!)
>
#1: In fact the model IS bi-coloured. That was kinda of a disappointment
to me, especially beacuse the design is truly magnificent (but not
exceeding Lang's Fiddler Crab in beauty).

#2: Coming back to the Fiddler Crab. That model, also from "Origami Sea
Life",has two very difficult closed sink folds nearly in the end that shape the
crab's body. I know what Lang's intention was with these folds; I also
know what it should look like when it's finished and I also WAS able to do
the sinks, but I never really had an extremely neat result. I very well
realize these sinks are the only way to give the crab its final body shape
but I was wondering: does anybody (maybe Robert himself) has any advice on
how to accomplish these two sinks as neatly as possible?

#3: Can anybody give me the complete list of models in Montroll's new
book? Does it only contain original stuff or also well-known models such
as the traditional crane?

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@student.kun.nl_)





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:47:05 -0700 (
Subject: Mortarboard

There is a Mortarboard napkin fold in More Decorative Napkin Folding by
Lillian Oppenheimer & Natalie Epstein, Dover 0-486-24673-6.

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From: Edward Ahn <edahn@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:10:57 -0700
Subject: flowers

HI.  I was wondering if anyone knew how to make nice flowes or roses.  I
wanted to make flowers for my mom on mothers day.  So an anyone send me
detailed directions on how to make flowers or roses.  Anything nice.
Thanks to all that help.

Sincerely,

Edward AHn





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:06:59 -0700
Subject: Convention this year

I'm toying with the idea of attending this year's convention - kinda
exciting to consider!  Can some nice person remind me of the date, time,
how to make arrangements, etc. or tell me where this can be found?  I
thought it was already too late to sign up...?

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:38:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Mortarboard

Probably academic(!) to you, but there's a mortarboard by Sandy Boyd in
the 1988 Oxford BOS convention pack.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:42:27 -0400
Subject: Re: book review?

Kathy asked for comments on Engel's _Angelfish to Zen_
(aka _Folding the Universe_):

It's a wonderful book, even if you can't fold a thing out of it.
The models are mostly complex. Unlike most origami books,
the models are preceded by many pages of essays on origami.
The book's worth the price just for these.

And here's another opportunity to plug using Maarten's archives:

send a message to:
      origami@ftp.rug.nl

with the message:
      messages engel and (universe or angelfish)

And you will receive back a message that contains all of the
messages in the archives that mention Engel's book. You'll
receive more than you want, but the first one is a message
announcing that it's about to be published!

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:39:11 -0300
Subject: Re: book review?

I don't remember whether this topic was even mentioned in this forum,
but has someone volunteered to maintain book review and comments? We
have a FAQ, model indices, several diagram sites, Joseph's (should I
say "our") site, the list archives, but how about a book review
library (a meta-library :-) )? Or about paper? Or shops? Clubs?

>>From: Bruce Stephens <b.stephens@ISODE.COM>
>>"Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM> writes:
>>> Any comments on Peter Engel's "Origami Angel Fish to Zen"?
>>
>>It's a nice book.  It's not packed with models, however, so if you
>>really want a book for the models, you may want a different one.

On the other hand, half of O.from.A.to.Z (aka Folding the Universe)
comprises wonderful essays about seldom-discussed aspects of origami
like fractal structures, inspiration sources, and a (critical)
history. Not mentioning a meeting with Yoshizawa-sensei and a
geometrical discussion of the traditional and blintzed bases.

This could make this relatively inexpensive book (thanks Dover)
appealing not only to paperfolders but to engineers, programmers,
nature-lovers and mathematicians alike. THIS could be the one book to
show that origami is not (just) for children.

>>
>>> I heard he is hard to fold or follow? Is it for advanced folders?
>>
"HE" could be hard to "follow" yes, text is separated from diagrams,
but hard to "FOLD"? Don't try that at home, kids (sorry, couldn't resist).

>>Many of the models are difficult.  It's certainly not a book for
>>beginners.
Quite true, most require big, strong paper. The crab-from-a-square
is universally regarded as rip-prone...

If you have OrigamiUSA's annual collections, the tiger, alligator and
another model (elephant, I think) appear in the '88 issue. The squid
was also published in ORU, issue 7 or 8.

Some models in O.f.A.t.Z.: three fishes (superficially they look alike,
but are structurally very different), $crab, $bowtie, valentine (heart
trespassed by an arrow), octopus (mentioned in Montroll's & Lang's
O.Sea Life), squid, square crab, hummingbird, kangaroo & giraffe (both
also in Kasahara-san's and Takahama-san's O.f.t.Connoisseur aka Top Origami),
elephant, tiger, alligator, scorpion (tremendously realistic but for
the short legs), centipede (only one from a rectangle), reindeer (also
published in an OrigamiUSA's annual), knight on horseback, butterfly
(IMHO the best "realistic" one available combining elegance, beauty and
good anatomy), penguin (cute).

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: LarryFinch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:17:57 -0400 (
Subject: Re: book review?

In a message dated 98-05-05 08:09:17 EDT, kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM writes:

> Any comments on Peter Engel's "Origami Angel Fish to Zen"?
>
>  I heard he is hard to fold or follow? Is it for advanced folders?
>

There are some relatively easy folds, but none of them are for beginners
except for his first folding chapter on folding techniques where he does the
flapping bird and the jumping frog.

The Angelfish of the title isn't too hard, and several of the other fish
aren't either. Then there's the Crab folded from a $1 bill, which produces a
fully formed crab with 8 legs, two claws, 2 eyes, a mouth and a tail less than
an inch across. Or the Rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike.

OTOH, I've seen harder books, and many of the folds are fun to look at even if
you have trouble folding them. I highly recommend the book.

--Larry





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:52:17 +0100
Subject: Re: book review?

Since it seems that many people are unaware of it, I just wanted to
mention that Pat Slider keeps an archive of book reviews at:
<ftp://home.yosemite.net/home/slider/Origami.txt>.

This site is also accessible through Joseph Wu's Origami Page,
<http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/>.

-Jane





From: Bruce Stephens <b.stephens@ISODE.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:16:34 +0100
Subject: Re: book review?
Lines: 12

"Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM> writes:

> Any comments on Peter Engel's "Origami Angel Fish to Zen"?

It's a nice book.  It's not packed with models, however, so if you
really want a book for the models, you may want a different one.

> I heard he is hard to fold or follow? Is it for advanced folders?

Many of the models are difficult.  It's certainly not a book for
beginners.





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:35:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Convention this year

At 09:06 AM 5/5/98 -0700, Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM> wrote:
>I'm toying with the idea of attending this year's convention - kinda
>exciting to consider!  Can some nice person remind me of the date, time,
>how to make arrangements, etc. or tell me where this can be found?  I
>thought it was already too late to sign up...?

OrigamiUSA's Convention will be held at FIT in NYC (same site as last year)
from June 26 - June 29. As always, we will have lots of interesting guests
from around the world, along with the all-day folding marathons.

If you are a member of OrigamiUSA, you should be receiving your forms soon,
if not already. There should also be information on the event on the web
site soon (www.origami-usa.org). I am sure there will be more discussion on
the event in the forthcoming weeks. Marc





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:57:54 -0700
Subject: Re: assembly help
Importance: Normal

<>One notable exception is the "throwing (Ninja) star) that is made from two
<>Sonobe units of different handedness.
<
<Where is this published/diagrammed?

I believe that there's a copy of it at Alex Baxter's PDF archive.
<http://www.the-village.com/origami/diagram.html>.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:52:07 -0600
Subject: Re: T.Rex Skeleton

Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:

> Even the rib joints are better gl**d together as the final model
> is quite front-heavy and easily falls apart (the supporting apparatus
> at the end of the book is *not* an option). Don't feel guilty, at
> least not with this model...

Ditto on the gluing remarks.

But there is an alternative to the base.  Most hardware stores sale 1/8 inch
brass rods.  Buy three of these, to substitute for the three wooden dowels.  Use
needle nosed pliers to create a circular base, and double over the end that will
support the skeleton, to avoid piercing the paper.  On the rod that will support
the collar bone, form a inverted vee shape, so as to hold the head up.  Not only
is it easier to make than the suggested wooden assembly, but I believe it shows
off the dinosaur better.

> P.S. Join the list comittee pro-R.Lang-publishing-his-Allosaurus-skeleton...

Count me in!  How do I join?

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:12:51 -0300
Subject: Re: T.Rex Skeleton

>>From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>

>>I have been working my way through Issei Yoshino's T.Rex skeleton
...
>>(glue), but I am sure there must be a more elegant way than that.
Don't think so. Few joints hold together "gl**lessly", among them
the head-neck, neck halfs, rib-to-rib, tail-to-tail and calf-to-thigh.
Even the rib joints are better gl**d together as the final model
is quite front-heavy and easily falls apart (the supporting apparatus
at the end of the book is *not* an option). Don't feel guilty, at
least not with this model...

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

P.S. Join the list comittee pro-R.Lang-publishing-his-Allosaurus-skeleton...





From: Christopher Straughn <christopher99@MAIL.GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:01:54 +0000
Subject: Folding the Universe
Priority: normal

Is Peter Engle's (sp?) "Folding the Universe" still in print?  I've
been looking for it for a while.  Am I using the correct title?  Who
publishes it?  Thanks!

Chris Straughn





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:41:34 +0100
Subject: Re: book review?

Some additional information:
Pat Slider's book review site, which I mentioned previously, has not been
updated for two years.
-Jane





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:00:58 -0300
Subject: Re: book review?

>>From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
>>
>>Since it seems that many people are unaware of it, I just wanted to
>>mention that Pat Slider keeps an archive of book reviews at:
>><ftp://home.yosemite.net/home/slider/Origami.txt>.

Nice to know---thanks a lot, Jane (and Pat, of course). However, IMHO
that data is invaluable but somewhat neglected:
- looks like the last review (in fact most "reviews" are brief remarks)
  was added Apr 96
- finding the right book in a plain file is difficult (searching by
  string causes many false hits)
I'd love a better organized compilation including more complete
info like a model list, publisher, (known) availability, page
count, (known) "twins" (i.e., republications under a different
name/publisher, or as part of another book) and of course a
list of comments and full reviews. It'd be very useful
for both beginning and bigger book collections.

If someone knows about such a resource, please tell us. If none such
exists, of course creating it would be a collective effort, with a
couple of editors to sort and organize contributions. I would be one
of the first contributors.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:16:51 +0100 (
Subject: Re: book review?
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

>
> I don't remember whether this topic was even mentioned in this forum,
> but has someone volunteered to maintain book review and comments? We
> have a FAQ, model indices, several diagram sites, Joseph's (should I
> say "our") site, the list archives, but how about a book review
> library (a meta-library :-) )? Or about paper? Or shops? Clubs?
>

Hey, I like this idea 8).  I like the idea of paper reviews too.
I tend to spend a lot of money on paper of various types (I also
paint and draw as a hobby), it would be nice to know how it is likely
to perform first before buying it.

I don't want to spend lots of money on lots of different types of
paper to find the one most suitable, when someone else must have
already done the ground work.  Anyway where would I store it all ?

The recent discussion on the merits and demerits of foil,
foil backed, and ordinary paper could be a useful starting point.

--
Andrew Daw                   email:  andrewd@redac.co.uk





From: Bill Walker <origami@KREATIVE.NET>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:27:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Tomoko Fuse

Is there any true to the rumor that Tomoko Fuse is to be at the
Origami Festival in Charlotte, North Carolina to be held in late
September?  I love to fold modulars and boxes and have several of
her books.

Bill Walker





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:36:32 +0100 (
Subject: Foil backed paper, back to front.
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

I recently made R.Lang's paper wasp from (Origami Insects) using 4" paper
backed foil, but treating the foil side as the non-colour side.  I painted
the paper side black (using black acrylic paint).  This made a super little
model (about 2" long) with silver wings.  By using foil paper allowed for
more modelling at the end to give a rounder body.

It is not recommended to make the model first time from foil as lots of the
folds (especially reverse folds and sinks) do not come naturally in foil
and have to be coaxed into shape.  Worth the time and effort though.

Some models are worth experimenting with in paper you wouldn't normally
think of using, or in ways you normally wouldn't think of using.

--
 ^ _ ^    ^ _ ^     Andrew Daw     email: andrewd@redac.co.uk
( 0 0 )  ( - - )
 \_Y_/    \_Y_/





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:44:30 +0100 (
Subject: T.Rex Skeleton
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

I have been working my way through Issei Yoshino's T.Rex skeleton
(down as far as the legs now), but I have been having problems with
the teeth falling out.  I ended up resorting to that 4 letter word
(glue), but I am sure there must be a more elegant way than that.

The jaw is held ok at the back but keeps slipping forward as there
is no obvious point to hold the front teeth in place with.

Any hints or tips from the more experienced folders out there ?
--
Andrew Daw                   email:  andrewd@redac.co.uk





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:04:43 -0400
Subject: Re: book review?

>> how about a book review
>> library (a meta-library :-) )? Or about paper? Or shops? Clubs?

For shops, check out http://www.concentric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj





From: Howard Portugal <howardp@FAST.NET>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:11:44 -0400
Subject: Cleveland group

Hi all,

A friend of mine would like to know if there are any folding groups in
or around Cleveland, OH that his
13 year old niece could get involved with.

Thanks,

Howard

--
Howard Portugal, West Chester, PA email:howardp@fast.net
---------------------------------------------------
"A problem worthy of attack, proves its worth by fighting back."
Author Unknown





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:02:35 -0300
Subject: Diagrams Mickey&Minnie

Hi to all,

I'm drawing again the diagrams of Mickey & Minnie, for my page. I guarantee
that this new diagrams all can to print very well.
The new diagrams' ll be for the next week.( sunday or monday). Patience.

Thanks for all the comentaries about it.

Bye for now, Happy Folding!!!

Patricia Restivo de Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: STEVE179 <steve179@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:03:10 -0400
Subject: Re: flowers

Look up flower project in Festive folding by Paul Jackson. He gives
instructions for the (I guess) traditional tulip plus stem and leaf ( the
last 2 are not Origami ). I've made the vase from water color paper and it
holds up well.

----------
> From: Edward Ahn <edahn@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: flowers
> Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 1:10 AM
>
> HI.  I was wondering if anyone knew how to make nice flowes or roses.  I
> wanted to make flowers for my mom on mothers day.  So an anyone send me
> detailed directions on how to make flowers or roses.  Anything nice.
> Thanks to all that help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Edward AHn





From: Ourldypeac <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:17:02 -0400 (
Subject: Maryland

Hi everyone,
    I live in Maryland and was wondering if anyone knew about any origami
meetings or associations in Maryland.  (I live in Waldorf).
                                      -Ian





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:00:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Maryland

The closest one I know is Capital Folders. Here is the copy of e-mail from
Marcia Mau:

Capital Folders Origami, Washington DC will meet on the Second Tuesday
of each month through August 1998.  Our meetings are scheduled from 6:30
to 8:45PM.  If you would like to join us for dinner before the meeting,
please contact Steve Buck at folder@dc.net no later than the day before
the meeting.

On Tuesday, April 14, May 12, and June 9 we will meet in the second
floor stack at the Cleveland Park Library, Connecticut Av & Macomb St,
NW, Cleveland Park Station on the Red Line.  Zone and paid parking in
the neighborhood.

On Tuesday, July 14 and August 11, we will return to our former meeting
place the Tenley-Friendship Library, Wisconsin Ave & Albemarle St, NW,
Tenleytown-AU Station on the Red Line.  We meet on the second floor in
the Children's Library where we can make as much noise as we want.
Street parking is available.

If you are visiting the Washington, DC metropolitan area, please
consider scheduling your visit to coincide with one of Capital Folders
Origami's meetings!  Both libraries are easily accessible by Metro from
downtown DC or the VA and MD suburbs.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

----
Sy Chen

At 09:17 PM 5/5/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>    I live in Maryland and was wondering if anyone knew about any origami
>meetings or associations in Maryland.  (I live in Waldorf).
>                                      -Ian





From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:45:48 -0500
Subject: The paper I've been waiting for! (Almost)

You've probably all already seen this, but just in case you haven't
(especially the S/f types out there):

        This weekend I was in one of the better paper suppliers for
Charlotte, for once *not* looking for new paper, but just idly wandered
past the origami paper section (really!  not looking! honest!), and they
had a new one I could not resist.

        Yatsumoto has a new packaging format called "Fold'ems" which
appears to be working toward getting non paperfolders to try origami.  The
packaging is glossier and more "slick" looking, and of the three types of
paper offered in this line, two appear to have crease lines and markings
already (yuck):  one for simple wild animals, one for cute little finger
puppets.  But it's the third that grabbed me;

        Glow in the dark origami paper!  Yes!  Just what I've always
wanted!  I restrained myself and just bought one pack, until I could see if
it was worth it.  My impressions:

        The Good:  It glows.  Really well.  Owing in part to the natural
large surface area:volume of paper, it takes a charge very quickly, and
glows decently.  My eyes are pretty sensitive to this sort of thing, and I
believe it is even taking a little bit of charge from the heat of my hands.
Excellent glowing ability.  Comes n a couple different colors.

        The Bad:  1)  Pricey.  5 sheets cost $5.95 U.S.  Rather a lot for
paper just under 6 inches to a side.

                2)  It's that textured "plastic-y" feeling stuff.  If
you're familiar with the Opalescent papers that are around (also on the
expensive side), it's very similar to that.  Feels like a sheet of kami
coated with a thin film of plastic.  Doesn't hold a crease very well.  I'm
going to see if wet-folding the back will help (I believe the back is
uncoated.).

        Now I've got to decide what to do with my precious 5 sheets...

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:29:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding the Universe

Chris asked:
>Is Peter Engle's (sp?) "Folding the Universe" still in print?  I've
>been looking for it for a while.  Am I using the correct title?
> Who publishes it?  Thanks!

Peter Engel's _Folding the Universe_ is out of print.  (Vintage
Books, c. 1989)

BUT  it was reprinted by Dover Publications (in 1994) as
 _Origami from Angelfish to Zen._  The reprint is still available.
If you can't find it at a local bookstore, you should be able to
order it from one of the three U.S. mail-order origami sources:
OUSA, Kim's Crane, or Fascinating Folds*. (Everyone seems to
have their favorite among the three. I haven't tried them all
so I'm keeping out of it.)

If I recall correctly, the content of the two books is the same in
spite of the fact that the reprint has many fewer pages---Dover
rearranged the material making it not as beautiful to look at, but
cheaper to print.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

* I've heard people express preferences, but I haven't heard
anything bad about any of them (other than OUSA being slower):

Origami USA (OUSA): http://www.origami-usa.org
Kim's Crane: http://www.kimscrane.com
Fascinating Folds: http://www.fascinating-folds.com





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@INFOSPACE-INC.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:19:18 -0700
Subject: Origami Sighting

http://www.mpog.com/pvp/archive/1998/pvp19980505.html





From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:21:28 -0500
Subject: Re: skull optics

>The doohickey described by Kevin Kinney is just 2 concave mirrors mated to
>each other.  They both have the same focal length, so when you put an object
>at bottom of one mirror you get an imaginary image of that object at the focus
>of the other mirror.  So in answer to the question, if you put that half skull
>thingamajig in you get a floating half skull image.
>
>Andrew Hans
>
>(see, 4 years of Optometry school finally paid off)

Thinking about it more, that's pretty much what I figured.  Darn.  It would
be a cool way to display that one.  But I did pull out the mirage to try
using it for displaying models-I'd forgotten how small the object had to be
to avoid distortion.  Time to fold some miniatures...

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





From: Katharina Grif <Katharina.Grif@UIBK.AC.AT>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:35:12 +0100
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 1 May 1998 to 2 May 1998
Priority: normal

Dear Patricia!
I would also be very thankfull to you, if you can send me diagrams of
Mickey and Minnie: Thank you for your sharing with all of us :)
My snail address is : Katharina Grif
                      Hoettinger Au 72 top 34
                      6020 Innsbruck, Austria

with best wishes, Katharina





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:06:36 -0300
Subject: Viva! Origami (was Re: book review?)

Michael Gibson asked info about "Viva! Origami" (yes, that's the
correct English title). The fabled "silver book" (aka "demon book") was
published by Sanrio in 83 and is long out-of-print. You could search
for a used copy, but no self-respecting folder would part with it, I
believe.
Michael mentioned Engel's Folding the Universe. The demon picture there
is roughly a copy of a color photo in Kasahara-san's and Maekawa-san's
book. Another famous model in that book is a 2x1 peacock with sophisticated
pleated "tail

        Sincerely, \
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

P.S. A "demon in pants", a simpler wingless version of the famous demon,
was published in an ORU issue about "inside-out" Japanese models.
The "clapper rail" in Origami for the Connoisseur superficially resembles
the raven in V!O (I did not actually fold the rail, so I cannot comment
on structural similarity).

DO NOT confuse V!O with the Viva Origami series also by Kasahara-san
(I believe the #5 is still available).





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:58:42 -0400
Subject: Re: The paper I've been waiting for! (Almost)

DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD wrote:

>         Now I've got to decide what to do with my precious 5 sheets...

Hmmm, glow in the dark... What else glows in the dark?  Fireflies
(intermittently though), and STARS!  Constellations or individual geometric
stars (hmm, chinese zodiac or "western" one?)...

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:22:10 +0200
Subject: Re: Folding the Universe

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Christopher Straughn wrote:

> Is Peter Engle's (sp?) "Folding the Universe" still in print?  I've
> been looking for it for a while.  Am I using the correct title?  Who
> publishes it?  Thanks!
>
> Chris Straughn
>

I may be mistaken, but I think the correct title of the book now is:
"Origami from Angelfish to Zen" and I think Dover (NY) has republished it.

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@student.kun.nl)





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:31:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Viva! Origami (was Re: book review?)

Good news for Maekawa-san lovers. I took the liberty of reproducing here
verbatim a personal reply by Eric Eros:

>>From eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com Wed May  6 13:57 EST 1998
>>From: "Eric Eros" <eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com>
>>
>>Mr. Furuti,
>>      You are right about the publisher and date of Viva! Origami.  However,
>>it is not out of print (though I am not sure who the current publisher is).  I
>>have a friend who saw it in the San Francisco Kinokunia bookstore 2 weeks ago
>>(though it was gone by the time I went there to buy it).  I did a bit of
>>looking around on the web, and found 2 ISBNs for it (well, 3, but the third
>>was incomplete).  The ISBN 4-387-83008-5 should be for the '83 Sanrio.  The
>>ISBN 4-387-89116-5, if correct, would be for an '89 publishing of the book.
>>
>>--
>>Eric Eros
>>

I have not my copy here to check the ISBN, but that looks promising.
IMHO (but *hopefully* not) V!O is indeed o-p, but there are still unsold
copies somewhere in the Universe---better hurry when you hear of one...

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:38:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Viva! Origami (was Re: book review?)
Importance: Normal

<Kinokunia Bookstores - San Francisco
<I called them ( a quite long and expensive international phone call, I
<must say) , but, unfortunately, they did not have it. What they had was
<"Viva Origami" by Kasahara.
<
<So my heart is broken once again.....snif...snif...

Don't be heart broken. Indeed, call them back right away and order that book.
"Viva! Origami" is contains designs by Maekawa, but Kasahara is listed as the
book's author.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331   e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Rick Bissell <rick@TRIDELTA.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:47:44 -0400
Subject: glow in the dark models
>Received: from sparcy.tridelta.com (root@sparcy.tridelta.com
 [192.160.168.222]) by tdi3.tridelta.com. (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA13795
 for <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:44:16 -0400

>Now I've got to decide what to do with my precious 5 sheets...

....There's a nice crescent moon in "Festive Folding" by Paul Jackson I
believe...a "flasher" would be cool, but you'd want a larger sheet of paper.

--Rick Bissell





From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean_-_J=E9rome_Casalonga?= <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:14:40 +0200
Subject: Re: Off Line Browsers

Jeffrey Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>  asked about Off-Line browsers.

I use NetAttache Light (V. 2.0.1).  It is a freeware from Tympani
Development.

You can reach them at :   http://www.tympani.com

I don't know if it is still available as a freeware.

They have another software : NetAttache Pro.  It is an improved version
(for example it automatically disconnect when the download of the site is
finished)

For the (un)happy Windows 95 users, you can look at one great site :
        http://www/winfiles.com
They have a huge number of freeware and shareware on every aspect of
computing.

        JJC

PS : Hell frm Jen-Jerme t Thki Yenn





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@CONCENTRA.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:16:08 -0400
Subject: Re: book review?

Sebastian writes:

   The book also contains Maekawa's famous Japanese Demon; this is certainly
   a model worth folding---although I find the folding method published in
   the Tanteidan Convention book much better that Kasahara's method.

Which Tanteidan Convention book is that?  I believe there have been
three so far.  Is *it* still in print?

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:25:36 -0400
Subject: Re: glow in the dark models

Rick Bissell wrote:

> ....There's a nice crescent moon in "Festive Folding" by Paul Jackson I
> believe...a "flasher" would be cool, but you'd want a larger sheet of paper.

Actually I think either Engle or Lang (or both) have suns/moons in one of the
back issues of BARF.

-D'gou
--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Ourldypeac <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:31:42 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Folding the Universe

Chris,
   I am purchasing "Folding the Universe" through the Origami USA website. It
is $12.95 there.
                     -Ian





From: Michael Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:12:05 +1000
Subject: Re: book review?

Regarding "Folding the Universe", I have the found models so far attempted
(by me) to be challenging but not overly difficult. In fact the high
success rate I have had with Engel models has given me greater confidence
when tackling the likes of Lang and his insects. I still don't get very
far, but I feel better about my failures.

I also agree with previous comments about the exceptional discussions
occupying the first half of the book. Engel has such a passion for
knowledge, and the links that can be drawn between various disciplines. I
too now unfold most of my models in an attempt to discover repeating units
of basic shapes.

It is undoubtedly a personal thing, but when I read Engel after a long
drought of no origami (15 yrs), it reawakened a keen interest in this art
and its history/current culture. Since then I cannot get enough
information and books on the subject (which I am finding is no mean feat
living in Australia).

I guess it is safe to say that I would recommend the book!

ps could anyone please give me some information about a book that Engel
mentions in his reference list called "Viva Origami"? I cannot seem to
find a reference to it anywhere in the web sites I've tried.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: anne roberts <aroberts@FROGNET.NET>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:16:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse

Dear Gallo P & H,
I am interested in receiving the diagrams for Mickey & Minnie too.  My address
is Anne Roberts  68 Maplewood Dr.  Athens, Oh  45701
Thanks very much.
Anne

Gallo P & H wrote:

> Hi to all !!!
>
> WoW, I receive a lot of mail for this diagrams.
> Please, send me your address, and I'll send the photocopy of the diagrams.
> I have a photo of fold, but my interpretation of the autor, I'm put this
> photo in my web page.
>
> Bye for now. Happy Folding!!!!
>
> Patricia Gallo
>
> http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:48:17 -0400
Subject: New Origami books in print!

In the latest edition of Dover's  "Crafts, Needlework and Cooking Catalog" they
list the following items:
        Secrets of Origami, by Robert Harbin (this has been out for a while,
     but they
are still touting it as "new")
        Modern Origami, by James Minoru Sakoda (ditto)
        Teach Yourself Origami, by John Montrol (This is pretty new!)
        Origami Step-By-Step, by Robert Harbin!!!
                (And only $3.95 for a 64page book, that HAS to be a typo!

They don't accept phone order and they don't take credit cards.  Their postal
address is:
        Dover Publications, Inc.
        31 East 2nd Street
        Mineola, New York  11501-3582

That's all I know.  I suspect that the "big three" US suppliers will be
carrying this soon too.

Who edited/revised Origami Step-By-Step?

This has a lot of Patricia Crawfords models in it.  Note that J.C. Nolan's
"Creating Origami" also has many of her models, rediagrammed [personally his
version of her Unicorn diagrams are clearer].  This book is worth it just for
her Swan diagrams, in my not so humble opinion.

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Maybe there is still hope after all that old origami books
will come back into print.

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:17:31 +0200
Subject: Re: T.Rex Skeleton

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
> P.S. Join the list comittee pro-R.Lang-publishing-his-Allosaurus-skeleton...

Count me in! Where do I have to apply?

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:20:12 +0200
Subject: Re: Folding the Universe

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Christopher Straughn wrote:
> Is Peter Engle's (sp?) "Folding the Universe" still in print?  I've
> been looking for it for a while.  Am I using the correct title?  Who
> publishes it?  Thanks!

This book has been republished by Dover and now has the following data:

@Book{Engel:Angelfish,
  author =       {Peter Engel},
  title =        {Origami from Angelfish to Zen},
  publisher =    {Dover Publications Inc.},
  year =         {1994},
  note =         {ISBN 0-486-28138-8},
  address =      {31 East 2nd Street, Mineola, NY~11501, USA}
}

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:28:26 +0200
Subject: Re: book review?

On Wed, 6 May 1998, Michael Gibson wrote:
> ps could anyone please give me some information about a book that Engel
> mentions in his reference list called "Viva Origami"? I cannot seem to
> find a reference to it anywhere in the web sites I've tried.

Viva! Origami is written by Kunihiko Kasahara, one of the most productive
Japanese writers and creators---he has written and illustrated more than
100 books---and contains models by the Japanese physicist Jun Maekawa.  It
is in Japanese and, sadly, is long out of print; but I remember hearing a
rumour a while ago that a Korean publisher is going to reprint some of
Kasahara's books, so we may still be lucky. (To me, it doesn't make a
difference whether the book is in Japanese or Korean---I can read
neither.)

The book contains a section on mathematics (as far as I can make out.)
Maekawa's models are beautiful, but I have sometimes the feeling that they
are _too_ technical---that the methods of obtaining the points for a model
are applied _too_ rigidly, and that sometimes they seem very lifeless.

The book also contains Maekawa's famous Japanese Demon; this is certainly
a model worth folding---although I find the folding method published in
the Tanteidan Convention book much better that Kasahara's method.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:33:56 +0200
Subject: Re: T.Rex Skeleton

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Kim Best wrote:
> Not only is it easier to make than the suggested wooden assembly, but I
> believe it shows off the dinosaur better.

I can offer yet another method of mounting the skeleton. For the skeletons
I have made (2x T-Rex and 1x Triceratops) I used thick steel wire. For the
T-Rex, I used two pieces of wire: one running from the head to the tip of
the tail, and one running up one leg and down the other. The two pieces
are welded together at the hip.

You have to pinch holes into the paper to pull the wire through, and it
can sometimes be a pain in the neck to find the right place to put the
wire, then bend the wire in shape and still be able to slide the modules
on. But in my opinion, a free-standing dino looks better that one that is
glued to three poles.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:52:45 -0400
Subject: Re: New Origami books in print!

>         Origami Step-By-Step, by Robert Harbin!!!
>                 (And only $3.95 for a 64page book, that HAS to be a typo!
No, this is for real.  Amazon has had this on their web site since the
beginning of the year, to released in May.  I got a $5 gift certificate from
them in March, and I ordered it promptly (it took that GC, and $2.11 on my
credit card to cover the S&H).  I am still waiting for this book to come in
the mail.

This is probably the book that got me started down the road of
origami.  I checked it out of the library when I started (at least 10 years
ago), and I was so impressed, I tried to find it.  It was out of print then
too.  I think that Patricia Crawford's Full-Rigged Ship (in this book) is a
REALLY impressive model for how simple (relatively) it is to fold.

If I recall correctly, the original printing was hard-bound, with many full
color plates.  The fact that it will be softback and have none of the plates
is part of the reason it is < $4.  The fact that those copyrights have expired
(is this true?) is another.

If you're looking for a book to start with after you've folded all the models
on the instruction sheet that came with that package of craft-store origami
paper, this is the one to get.  You can't beat the price either.

Just my looong-winded ramblings,
J.B. Raasch





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:39:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Viva! Origami (was Re: book review?)

At 03:38 PM 5/6/98 -0700, Joseph Wu wrote:
>Don't be heart broken. Indeed, call them back right away and order that book.
>"Viva! Origami" is contains designs by Maekawa, but Kasahara is listed as the
>book's author.

Make sure to get the right one. There are 5 series of Viva! Origami.
Especially for series V - Origami Yumentai. Don't get that one if you are
in pure origami. It is for paper cut-out to construct multi-faced geometric
objects.

FYI:
Viva Origami, ISBN 4-387-89116-5 - This is the one w/ famous devil
Series II - Top Origami
Series III - Origami Shinseiki
Series IV - Origami Shinsekai
series V - Origami Yumentai, ISBN4-387-92011-4

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:53:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Viva! Origami (was Re: book review?)

Hi to all !!!

                As soon as I saw it mentioned that there might be a slight
     possibility of
getting Maekawa's "Viva Origami" in the San Francisco shop of Kinokunia
Bookstores, my heart got full of hope and I rapidly searched for their
number on the internet:

                Kinokunia Bookstores - San Francisco

                +1-415-567-4109   (fax)

                +1-415-567-7625 (voice)

                I called them ( a quite long and expensive international phone
     call, I
must say) , but, unfortunately, they did not have it. What they had was
"Viva Origami" by Kasahara.

                So my heart is broken once again.....snif...snif...

                I see the issue of this book turn up every now and then in the
     list. It
is a pity that the book is out of print. And I can hardly imagine seeing it
printed again. Realistically talking the market for Origami books is not
that big all over the world to justify a new print.(I hope to be wrong on
this).

                One solution would be to get Dover (or any other company like
     it) to make
a release for the book in the US market, and let them handle the
permission/copyright stuff for printing the book in the US.

                Another is that some origami society with machinery for
     printing do the
same.( Origami USA ?, B.O.S ?)

                As of course, there is the third option. After six months of
     looking for
the book, the most straightforward, fast, simple, and....efficient solution
seems to rely on a machine invented around the 50's that uses some black
magic powder ( called toner ). Maybe some technically gifted will
understand what I mean.
The book was written in 1983...so from January 1st, 2083, anyone can freely
make photocopies of the book, since the copyright law for intelectual
property in art expires after 100 years and it becomes public domain. So it
is only 85 years left to wait.

                Is there anyone with some other ideas ? suggestions ? some
     volunteers ?
Anyone else who saw the book in a shop ? anyone who saw Elvis ? Someone who
could lend me the book for a couple of hours ?

                                I am all ears.

***************

At 03:31 PM 5/6/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Good news for Maekawa-san lovers. I took the liberty of reproducing here
>verbatim a personal reply by Eric Eros:
>
>>>From eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com Wed May  6 13:57 EST 1998
>>>From: "Eric Eros" <eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com>
>>>
>>>Mr. Furuti,
>>>      You are right about the publisher and date of Viva! Origami.
However,
>>>it is not out of print (though I am not sure who the current publisher
is).  I
>>>have a friend who saw it in the San Francisco Kinokunia bookstore 2
weeks ago
>>>(though it was gone by the time I went there to buy it).  I did a bit of
>>>looking around on the web, and found 2 ISBNs for it (well, 3, but the third
>>>was incomplete).  The ISBN 4-387-83008-5 should be for the '83 Sanrio.  The
>>>ISBN 4-387-89116-5, if correct, would be for an '89 publishing of the book.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Eric Eros
>>>
>
>I have not my copy here to check the ISBN, but that looks promising.
>IMHO (but *hopefully* not) V!O is indeed o-p, but there are still unsold
>copies somewhere in the Universe---better hurry when you hear of one...
>
>        Sincerely,
>                Carlos
>        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:05:16 +0200
Subject: How do you exhibit origami ?

Hi !!!

                I was wondering...when you fold a model that turns out great (
     if you are
one of those lucky ;-) and you want to keep it "preserved and eternally
young and beautiful"....what do you do ? How do you keep a model for
exhibition ?

                As far as I know one option is to "paint" the model with a coat
     of
Envirotex Lite, which is more or less a process of "plastification".

                Other option is to keep it in a transparent plastic case... in
     Jewellery
such type of cases are quite common, since they are used for showing things.

                Is there anyone who buys such cases ? Because if so I would
     like to hear
where to buy from, suggestions, experiences, etc.

                On the net I found a company that has a couple of interesting
     thing.
Their page is http://www.bardspro.com

                They have glass and plastic domes and a hexagonal plastic case
     that look
really nice.

                I also saw once a Maekawa devil inside a funny shaped bottle
     with a cork
( like those old ship models in a bottle ) and it looked really cool, like
"the bad genious trapped inside the bottle".

                Well, just curious...


     Aufwiederschreiben & Alles Gute !





From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:19:39 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Cleveland group

There is a group in Cleveland.  You need to get in touch with Diane Kleinman
or Klineman.  Let me know if you find her.  Her husband is coordinator for
Reform Synagogues.  You might be able to find her that way.  Dorigami





From: Rick Bissell <rick@TRIDELTA.COM>
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:53:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Cleveland group
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>There is a group in Cleveland.  You need to get in touch with Diane Kleinman
>or Klineman.  Let me know if you find her.  Her husband is coordinator for
>Reform Synagogues.  You might be able to find her that way.  Dorigami
>

I belong to the Cleveland group, noticed the posting, and have provided him
with some info.
FYI:  Diane Kleinman's email address is EMADIANE@aol.com.
Thanks Dorigami!

--Rick Bissell
