




From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:43:40 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Foil or Paper

I wonder if someone who is not so much a folder as an outside observer may be
allowed to comment on the present discussion about the merits of foil as
opposed to paper for folding. - and vice versa.

To my mind, there is no conflict at all and everything sepends on what you are
folding, why you are folding and the finished effect that you are seeking. In
other words, some things are best done in paper, while foil has defintite
advantages for others.

First, I do not think that foil is best for absolute beginners. Foil is too
unforviing and once made a crease is not only indelible, but it remains
prominent. Once a beginner has got beyond the approximate folding that is
appropriate to Yoshizawa's dog an puppy (for which paper torn from a magazine
is suitable), I would give a beginner really good origami paper that will take
a sharp crease and which is moreover, SQUARE. Squareness is most important
when you are practising accuracy and still seeking reference points.

Secondly: For folding animals and birds, paper is clearly more suitable than
foil. It not only gives a more natural surface, but it also permits soft
creases that are more appropriate for living forms. Since it was introduced by
Yoshizawa, wet folding has gradually asserted itslf as essential for advanced
folding of animals and foil is clearly inappropriate for wet folding. Rather,
a folder will choose his paper very carefully, not only to suit his technique,
but also as appropriate for the creature he is folding.

Thirdly, Foil is sometimes very useful during the process of learning or
practising an intricate fold, just because it does keep its creases. Neal
Elias used foil extensively for this purpose and most of the examples of his
folds that we saw were made from foil. Nevertheless, some of the folds we saw
here in Britain seemed to me to be pretty crude. (I still remember the disdain
which which Mr. Yoshizawa looked at an Elias model folded by someone in foil).
I am told, however, that for his own finished models, Neal Elias would use
paper and that his own folding was superb.

Fourthly. Foil is appropriate for many inanimate foldings, as of vehicles.
Again, sharp creases not only help the folding, but are often appropriate in
the finished model.

Fifthly,  Foil is oftenappropriate for abstract designs, and for things like
Christmas tree decorations, where sparkly is needed, it is essential . It is
also appropriate for folding where the surface reflection is important as in
James Sakoda's hika-ori foldings.

Sixthly,  Foil is very helpful for those foldings where the paper is first
creased into a multitude aof small squares, as in Fred Rohm's flower in a pot.
Here again, the fact that foil holds its creases sharpley helps the folder to
find his way around the maze of criss-crossing creases.

Seventhly,  Paper-backed foil is a compromise that can be used to very great
effect, where some of the advantages of foil are required, wher4 a softer
crease is desired and yet the shiny surface of foil in inappropriate.

No doubbt there are other advantages of foil and paper respectively, but to
summarise, neither foil nor paper is the better medium. Each has its uses and
the skilllful and artistic folder will choose whatever medium is appropriate
to his immediate purpose.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:41:27 +0100
Subject: Re: flowers

I  left this letter sitting in my out box when I went on vacation, and
since the flower thread is still with us, I'm sending it now.

Julian A. asked:
>is Kawasaki's rose the best flower?

I'm surprised that no one else replied to this interesting question.

The New Rose by Kawasaki is impressive: all that from a square of paper!
As most of us know, it's a complex model involving crimps that are best
scored. It is certainly very beautiful.

I am sure I haven't made most of the flowers in print, but I wanted to
mention a flower I'm pretty excited about and also an old favorite
(neither one requiring stylus or photographic memory).

The first is the Bird Base Rose by James Sakoda that appeared in the OUSA
1993 Annual Collection. Actually, I learned a variation at the 1997 NY
convention, and that is what I make. Either the original or the variation
are more of an old rose than a hybrid. They look gorgeous in matte foil
with  calyx, leaves and stem added. I have been asked to teach this
flower more than once.

Another flower I love is a bird-base lily I learned from a friend 30
years ago. I haven't seen it in print, but according to the OUSA model
index, there is a traditional bird-base lily in Origami for Everyone by
Ranana Benjamin.

The Bird Base Rose and the lily are both straightforward, elegant models.

It's been almost a year since I made a New Rose. Maybe I'll make it again
and decide nothing comes close.

-Jane





From: LFHBMS <LFHBMS@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:56:05 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Introduction, new member

Welcome- I also learned as an adult. My child was given an origami book as a
gift but I did the origami.  Laura





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:11:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Models in new Montroll book

At 13:39 -0400 1998/04/26, JacAlArt wrote:
>1st -- what's the title/cost of Montroll's new book?

"Teach Yourself Origami". I don't have it here, but I believe it had
US$9.95 printed on the back cover.

>2nd -- Can anyone list the models and level? Particularly, how many and what
>are the complex (4-star) models?

Simple through to complex. Some very nice models, but I feel that Montroll
tries too hard to cover the range. For a book that is supposed to bring a
beginning folder up to the level of complex folding, it does not do the job
adequately, skimming over too many techniques in an attempt to cover it all.

The complex models include Fred Rohm's waterwheel and "impossible" vase,
and an elephant and a deer from Montroll.

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:12:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Recommendations

Bill Walker wrote:

> There are three main mail order origami services.  OUSA, Fascinating
> Folds, and Kim's Crane.
>
> I prefer Kim's Crane for their prompt and courteous service as well
> as their huge selection of origami papers to choose from.

I would like to add that I have found all three to be very courteous.  Note
that OUSA's Supply store is volunteer run, and while it sometimes turns around
quickly, the 4-6 week quote on the order form is often accurate.  With their
10% member discount they are quite competitive on price as well.

I personally prefer Fascinating Folds because it has not only a huge selection
of papers, both origami and "artisan", but also a very nice selection of books
(including some Japanese), and videos and other paper craft related materials.

The Japanese store Sasuga also has a very nice selection of origami books, some
of which I haven't been able to find for sale anywhere else in the US, and they
also carry the Nippon Origami Association (NOA) monthly magazine as well as
back issues of the now (sadly) defunct ORU magazine.

I've ordered from all of them, for various reasons, and will likely do so
again.  I would recommend any of them based on my past personal experience.

All four stores mentioned are on the web.

See Joseph Wu's definitive origami site for links to these and other cool
origami places:  http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/

-Doug

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:34:02 -0700
Subject: Re: spinning top wanted..

At 14:35 +0100 1998/04/25, Nick Robinson wrote:
>Does anyone know of a decent one-piece spinning top? Preferably one that
>doesn't need a stick inserting to spin it with. I have one by John Smith
>& would like to try others for possible inclusion in a projected book.

Yoshizawa has a bunch of them. I believe that some of them were published
in "Inochi Yutaka na Origami".

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:35:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Introduction, new member

At 08:19 -0400 1998/04/25, Jeff Kerwood wrote:
>Go to http://www.origami.net/cgi-bin/jwu/search_archive.cgi (archive search
>engine by Joseph Wu), and search on < +origami +enthusiast +survey >.

The newer version lives at <http://www-japan.mit.edu/origami/>.

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From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:56:56 +0200
Subject: Re: Origami Model diagrams

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Imtiaz Razvi wrote:

>      I am an enthusiastic folder.My subject interest areas are animals,
>      birds,insects,
look at
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/index.htm                      Origami Interest
Group
http://www.the-village.com/origami/index.html           Alex Barber

for human forms look at
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/index.htm                      Origami Interest
Group
(the Missionary by Mark Kirschenbaum is a rather funny human model)
or
http://www.krmusic.com/barfup/barf.htm                  BARF
(surfer on a wave by Jeremy Shafer)

or look around at other pages like

http://www.sanger.ac.uk/~agb/Origami/origami.html       Alex Bateman
http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/                     Joseph Wu
http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk/origami.html          Nick Robinson
http://hem.passagen.se/dion/index2.html                 Welcome to the
World of Origami

.
.
.
>      (one of my favourites is the Starship Enterprise)
Who is the creator of the Enterprise ?
>
Hope that helps

Julius





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:03:13 +0200
Subject: Re: Send any flower info

Sorry for reposting masseg text from 20/2/98

You can find flower diagrams

             on Alex Bateman`s Homepage
             "flower form" by Nick Robinson

             http://www.sanger.ac.uk/~agb/Origami/origami.html

             on Origami Interst group
             "Andrea's Rose" by J.C. Nolan
             "Dahlia" by Maarten van Gelder
             "Rose" by Toshikazu Kawasaki

             ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/index.htm

             on Nick Robinson"s Page

             "flower form" by Nick Robinson

             http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk/diagrams.html

             on OxLip's Oracle of Origami

             "rose" by ?? (seems traditional)

http://www.shocking.com/~oxlip/archive.htmlhttp://www.shocking.com/~oxlip/archiv
              e.html

hope that helps

Julius





From: Ourldypeac <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:45:21 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami Model diagrams

I am sorry that I have no diagrams to send. But I would be happy to accept any
diagrams you could send me.
                                        -Ian





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:01:31 -0500
Subject: Thoki Yenn CD

To Thoki Yenn:

Welcome to the Origami-1 List.   I just started origami and I love it!

I am interested in the CD mentioned in your video ad, what a great idea.
Will it have animated diagrams? When do you expect it to be released?

Kathy





From: Bruce Stephens <b.stephens@ISODE.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:28:19 +0100
Subject: Re: flowers
Lines: 11

Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET> writes:

> The New Rose by Kawasaki is impressive: all that from a square of
> paper!  As most of us know, it's a complex model involving crimps
> that are best scored. It is certainly very beautiful.

It is lovely (as is the "old" one).  Also wonderful is the very simple
tulip on stem.  I forget the designer, but it's in Paul Jackson's
"Classic Origami", I think.  It would be nicer if both squares started
the same size (the bulb is made from a smaller square), but it's hard
to get too upset about that: it's a wonderful, simple model.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:02:51 -0400
Subject: Re: spinning top wanted..

Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Nick Robinson wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a decent one-piece spinning top? Preferably one that
> > doesn't need a stick inserting to spin it with.
...
> > & would like to try others for possible inclusion in a projected book.
>
> Hm, that probably rules out Yoshizawa.

I wonder if Thoki's Kindergarten Rose would work, turned upside down?

-D'gou

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:09:22 +0100
Subject: Re: Send any flower info

Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE> sez

>You can find flower diagrams
>             on Nick Robinson"s Page
>             "flower form" by Nick Robinson

This isn't a flower as such, but a kind of geometric form with curved
paper, which reminded me of a flower....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?THORKILD_S=D8NDERG=C5RD?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:22:49 +0200
Subject: a rose is a rose is rose

To Jane Rosemarin and all rose-lovers

The quickest and the easiest rose was invented an evening after a folding
session, where a young and clever folder had attempted to teach the
Kawasaki rose to a a group of people, where most of them had very little
experience in folding paper..
After an hour and a half the group was exhausted and I thought :
 now we need a quick one that every one can do.
and the Kindergarden Rose was born.
I took a strip of pink tissue paper 2 inches wide and about 6 inches long.
wound the the strip around my index finger on my left hand,
with about an inch  free beyond the fingertip.
Then I twisted this part into a tight stem and took this stem in the right
hand,
and slapped the palm of my left hand down on top of the tissue tube - VOILA
-.
- A Kindergarden Rose in 10 seconds.-
Everybody cheered up and was able to repeat it, and had a succes,
which I find is essential for any teaching session in Origami,
and anywhere else in teaching as well.

Greetings and thank s for all the welcome greetings

Thok 98  (I change my name every new years morning)





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:38:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Thoki Yenn CD

Please respond on this matter to the list serve as I think all of us would be
     interested!

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/
-----Original Message-----
Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 4:34 PM

>To Thoki Yenn:
>
>Welcome to the Origami-1 List.   I just started origami and I love it!
>
>I am interested in the CD mentioned in your video ad, what a great idea.
>Will it have animated diagrams? When do you expect it to be released?
>
>Kathy





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:43:47 +0200
Subject: Re: spinning top wanted..

On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Nick Robinson wrote:
> Does anyone know of a decent one-piece spinning top? Preferably one that
> doesn't need a stick inserting to spin it with.

Yoshizawa has developed many spinning tops, I believe. A few of them are
published in an Oru issue, but I don't remember which one.

> & would like to try others for possible inclusion in a projected book.

Hm, that probably rules out Yoshizawa.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:15:36 -0400
Subject: Re: spinning top wanted..

At 11:34 AM 4/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>At 14:35 +0100 1998/04/25, Nick Robinson wrote:
>>Does anyone know of a decent one-piece spinning top? Preferably one that
>>doesn't need a stick inserting to spin it with. I have one by John Smith
>>& would like to try others for possible inclusion in a projected book.
>
>Yoshizawa has a bunch of them. I believe that some of them were published
>in "Inochi Yutaka na Origami".

Yoshizawa-san does. But not in the book - "Inochi Yutaka na Origami".

|------------------------------------------------------\
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From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:08:37 +0100
Subject: Re: a rose is a rose is rose

To Thok 98

>- A Kindergarden Rose in 10 seconds.-
1) I guess genius is in the DNA.

2) It's funny: I always forget that my name has "rose" in it. I volunteer
at a classical music radio station, and announcers, visiting performers,
etc., when we are introduced, often say "Ah! Fritz Kreisler, Schoen
Rosmarin" (a showy violin piece). I guess I'm beginning to get used to
it, but I'm really just plain Jane.

3) I will be teaching four first-grade classes in a few weeks. I'm
thinking I will bring specimens of the Kawasaki and Sakoda roses and
demonstrate yours. What fun! I can see the 90 seven-year-olds making
these things all day, to the annoyance of their teachers.





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:14:44 +0200
Subject: Re: new to the list

New to the list.... but not to us ! Here you will find several old friends,
Thoki, now just a keyboard click away..... The world has become much
smaller than several years ago, and it's not a virtual world as it may look
like: there are real people behind the screen !

We are all glad you are here. Welcome !!

Roberto

PS:
>please have a look at:
>  http://www.bornholmershoppen.dk/videorig.html

I've purchased the video, and it's really GREAT ! Some "tracking" problems
in the copy, though.
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From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:13:58 -0700
Subject: flowers

Greetings,
     To pick up on the flower thread, I just wanted to suggest the
beautiful, yet simple tulips by
Kasahara and Gay Gross in their origami books.  I also find the lotus made
from a blintz base a fun
flower to fold.  It's a bit trickier and I think that it works better with
softer paper.  Outside of
the classic lilly those are my favorites!  Pg. 68 of Kasahara's Origami Made
Easy has the diagrams
for the tulip.  Happy folding, afterall it is tulip time now!
Ria Sutter





From: Faye Goldman <FayeG@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:23:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Foil Paper

James M. Sakoda wrote:
...
>  However, Allufoil Products Co. is capable of producing embssed foil
...
Do you have an address?  I checked the web, and found no reference.
Thanks,
Faye Goldman





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:29:07 -0700
Subject: enthusiast survey follow up

Greetings,
     Some of you who responded to my survey some time ago mentioned folds
from your childhoods like the
gum wrapper chains and bus ticket animals and I would like to see samples of
these.  I don't remember
who mentioned those items but if one of you reading this posting would send
a sample to me I would so
appreciate it.  My address is 51 Brimwood Dr., Vernon, CT 06066.  The
response to my little survey was
very gratifying and interesting to me.  Now I see somebody wants to start a
Chat Room for enthusiasts,
and I wish them well!
Ria Sutter





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:08:21 -0700
Subject: X-wing Fighter model

Our own Wayne Ko has designed what must be the best X-wing Fighter design
to date. You can see a (bad) photo of it at
<http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/xwing.jpg>.

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From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:40:40 -1000
Subject: publishing origami book

Someone just called me about publishing an origami book.  She has
created many models having a hawaiian theme...hawaiian flowers, fish
etc. but has never published before.  Can anyone give any information as
to who and how to go about doing this?
                Thank you, Jan





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:16:10 -0700
Subject: Re: X-wing Fighter model

At 15:08 -0400 1998/04/28, James B. Raasch wrote:
>Now this I want diagrams for!  Are there any available or in the works?

Diagrams are in the works. At least a month before you see anything, though.

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From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:52:51 -0500
Subject: I'm so excited

Hi All:

This has got to be one of the best days of my life!

I want to thank Rachel Katz for introducing me (by phone #) to a
wonderful folder who lives in my area (Sheboygan, Wisconsin). His name
is Paul Krueger, author of "An Introduction to Moneyfolding".

I had a chance to meet Paul. To my surprise he actually took the time to
stop in my business to meet me. He is a very nice man, he even signed
his book for me. I can't believe I have a signed copy of his book, My
very first origami book, I am so excited!

It turns out Paul's business (Protection Service, security systems) is
only about 3 blocks from my business, though he lives in Kiel.

Thanks again Rachel.





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:30:31 -0500
Subject: gum wrapper chain

Ria

I wasn't on the list when you conducted your survey, but I made these
chains as a child.

I have one in the mail for you now.

We also made them from "Starburst" candy wrappers. It looked really neat
with all the different colors. It's really easy.

P.S. Does anyone want any gum? (unwrapped of course)

Kathy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:40:43 -0700
Subject: Kenny Kawamura

Many of you know Kenny Kawamura from his wonderfully gentle and
knowlegeable postings.  Kenny is also an accomplished designer of
moneyfolds.  His models have appeared in, to name just a few, Eric
Kenneway's Complete Origami and OrigamiUSA's Annual Model Collection.

Most sadly,  Kenny was taken ill and has been hospitalized.  Right now
he is doing well and may remain in the hospital for another week or two.

For Kenny's origami friends who would like to send him their get well
wishes, you can e-mail Kenny's brother, Richard at RKawa@usa.net .
Richard will show your messages to Kenny on his laptop.  If you prefer
to contact Kenny directly, address your letters to:

Kenneth Kawamura
c/o Sparrow Hosptial
1215 Michigan Avenue
Lansing, Michigan 48909-7980

Dorothy





From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:08:40 -0400
Subject: Re: X-wing Fighter model

> Our own Wayne Ko has designed what must be the best X-wing Fighter design
> to date. You can see a (bad) photo of it at
> <http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/xwing.jpg>.
Now this I want diagrams for!  Are there any available or in the works?

Thanks
J.B. Raasch





From: JOBBY007 <JOBBY007@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:24:59 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Help needed for young origamist (?)

Hi, everyone. Sorry, but I forgot to mention that I was in the UK. Can anyone
help me find easy-to-remember models bot in books and on the Web? Thanks

Paresh





From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:42:00 -0400
Subject: Re: X-wing Fighter model

Bummer.  I guess I can wait.  ;)

J.B. Raasch





From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?THORKILD_S=D8NDERG=C5RD?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:59:08 +0200
Subject: sv. Thok CD

Perry Bailey wrote
Emne: Re: Thoki Yenn CD
Dato: 28. april 1998 04:38

>Please respond on this matter to the list serve as I think all of us would
be >interested!

about this:
>To Thoki Yenn:
>
>Welcome to the Origami-1 List.   I just started origami and I love it!
>
>I am interested in the CD mentioned in your video ad, what a great idea.
>Will it have animated diagrams? When do you expect it to be released?
>
>Kathy
>
----------
The answer my friends is blowing in the wind !

I am a very slow working person, and very soon
I am a very old grumpy octogenarian person, who hates dead-lines
and therefore I can not give a date for the publishing.

My friend Helge at Video Bornholm is eager to get it out, he wants it to be
a sequel
to the Video: Origami and Kirigami. Have a look at:
http://www.bornholmershoppen.dk/videorig.html.
He has a lot of surplus material that was cut out to get the duration down
to an hour and a half. Some of it to be put on the CD as animated folding
sequences if it ever gets that far.

Kalmon, my secret aerial aid and PR-person is also harassing me daily.

Thok 98 (I change my name every new years morning)
 e-mail: thokiyenn@get2net.dk





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:40:52 -0400
Subject: Re: publishing origami book

> From :Jan Fodor

> Someone just called me about publishing an origami book.  She has
> created many models having a hawaiian theme...hawaiian flowers, fish
> etc. but has never published before.  Can anyone give any information as
> to who and how to go about doing this?
>                 Thank you, Jan

I would be interested in this too, please reply to the group.

Thanks, Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:10:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Models Walt Disney

Hi to all,

I do not know if all of you need some Walt Disney models but I have a copy
the models:
Mickey Mouse & Minnie Mouse, they are beautyful models. The autor is
Takenao Handa.
If any like this, please send me a private email.

Cheers.
Happy Folding!!!

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?THORKILD_S=D8NDERG=C5RD?= <thokiyenn@GET2NET.DK>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:35 +0200
Subject: Sv: new to the list

Hallo Roberto

Thank for your warm greeting, I am really enjoying this !

About the "tracking" problem in the video
I will get Video Bornholm to send you another copy !

Do I see you in Freising in June ?

Thok 98.





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:18:36 -0700
Subject: Re: assembly help - Modular 3-D Chain Link

That sounds like something I invented and diagrammed. If you could be more
specific about what the problem is, maybe I can help. Email me privately if
you'd like: "mjnaught@crocker.com".
Mike Naughton

-----Original Message-----
Sent:   Monday, April 20, 1998 7:41 AM

hey I need some help on the Modular Form of the "3-D Chain Link"  Suggested by
the "3-D Chain Link" Invented by Dr. James Sakoda.  I don't know how to
assemble the six squares.  I also need some help on the assembly of the
90-unit Sonobe if there is one. Thanks!!

Stephen





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:30:55 -0700
Subject: Re: assembly help

Jurgen wrote:
I was
delighted when I found a 39 unit construction, since that seemed
(to my not-fully-mathematical mind) a very implausible number.
On the other hand, I still can't come up with a geometry for
33 units, or 51, or 66, or 69, ... ? Does OftC mention any? Most
of you modular folders must have gone through the same analysis,
and I guess I'm curious whether I missed something obvious.

As someone who has played around a bit with the Sonobe module,
I'll add my two cents. There are a lot of constructions you can make
- one big distinction is between "regular" and "irregular" ones. If you
base you models on polyhedra (OFTC is a good source, but so is
Pearce & Pearce's "Polyhedral Primer", as well as Magnus Wenninger's
books. If you move beyond these "regular" models, well, all bets are
off! You can probably add or subtract modules almost at will - the
results might seem a little strange, but it's all in the eye of the
beholder. I myself find it hard to imagine a 39-unit model - I'd love to
know how you did it!

BTW, from your list of models it sounds as if you're working from a
sheet I've used at the past few OUSA conventions for my "Sonobe
Workshops". If not, perhaps you'd like one?

Have fun!

Mike Naughton





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:34:59 -0700
Subject: Re: assembly help

Troy Tate wrote:

I have been wanting to go beyond the 12-unit construct.
However, I am wondering do some of the units have to
be "right" handed and others "left" handed or can the
units all be constructed after the same handedness.
That is, in order to make some of the larger constructs,
do you have to have mixed handed units?

Actually, I don't think you can do much with mixed-handed
units, at least with "regular" Sonobe units (based on an
isosceles right triangle). You can do some interesting things
with units based on equilateral triangles (deg farrely invented
a rather nice one, but I don't know if it's published anywhere),
but I'm pretty sure that for regular Sonobe units and polyhedron-
based models you need to use all units of the same handedness.

But I could be wrong. . . .

Mike Naughton





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:42:12 +0200
Subject: Origami Coyote-Roadrunner

Hi !!

        I was looking at pictures of Eric Jossel's cartoon rats, and I wondered
     if
anyone ever saw or thought of the coyote character ( from Warner Bros
RoadRunner cartoon series) to be in done wet folding origami.

                                cheers,
                                                Ariel





From: Rosalind F Joyce <fold4wet@JUNO.COM>
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:08:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami in Mad magazine, Guiseppe Baggi's sculptures

Baggi's wild creations were even more impressive in person; he brought
some to Lillian's when I went to her apartment - monsters from gardening
tools, kitchen stuff, etc.  Some of the origami I tried to reproduce for
the next time he was there.  The $ cat I diagrammed for an old
newsletter.  A dog is buried around someplace, too.  Some of his origami
drove me crazy until I realized there were cuts.  No promises - I'll look
through the handful of remaining editions.  Ros

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From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:36:04 -0500
Subject: sooo many people

Does anyone know how many people are on this list?

Just wondering.

Kathy :)





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:01:04 +0100
Subject: Re: I'm so excited

Katherine J. Meyer <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM> sez

>I want to thank Rachel Katz for introducing me (by phone #) to a
>wonderful folder who lives in my area (Sheboygan, Wisconsin). His name
>is Paul Krueger, author of "An Introduction to Moneyfolding".

Paul was a contributor to a bi-monthly "zine" called FOLD to which I
contributed for many years (as did David Lister, Dr. Sakoda and several
others). Paul was unfailingly thoughtful and kind in his writing and
thoughts.

I'm ever so pleased to hear he is well & still folding - if you meet him
again, please send "greetings from Sheffield"! - I don't suppose he is
on e-mail??

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Garc=EDa_Macias_Carlos?= <CGMACIAS@TELMEX.NET>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:18:54 -0600
Subject: Tips for large puzzles

Probably this is not the right forum, but I bought a very large jigsaw
puzzle
(Tower of Babel, 9000 pieces), and I suppose that many origamists also
share the puzzle hobby.

Do anyone has some tips for doing, framing, etc, this kind of puzzle?

By example, how to handle it after finishing, glueing, etc.

TIA,

Carlos Garcia





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:19:59 -0700
Subject: Re: assembly help

At 22:34 -0700 1998/04/28, Michael J. Naughton wrote:
>Actually, I don't think you can do much with mixed-handed
>units, at least with "regular" Sonobe units (based on an
>isosceles right triangle). You can do some interesting things
>with units based on equilateral triangles (deg farrely invented
>a rather nice one, but I don't know if it's published anywhere),
>but I'm pretty sure that for regular Sonobe units and polyhedron-
>based models you need to use all units of the same handedness.

One notable exception is the "throwing (Ninja) star) that is made from two
Sonobe units of different handedness.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:26:09 -0400
Subject: Re: sooo many people

Kathy (kathy@silentworld.com) asked:
>Does anyone know how many people are on this list?

The listserv does:

* Total number of "concealed" subscribers:           7
* Total number of users subscribed to the list:    564  (non-"concealed"
only)

This "total number" may be slightly higher than the actual number
of people, because some people subscribe from multiple accounts.
Up somewhat from my off-the-cuff guess of 500.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:32:20 -0400
Subject: Re: publishing origami book

Jan writes:

>>>
Someone just called me about publishing an origami book....
Can anyone give any information as
to who and how to go about doing this?
<<<

Since no one else has responded yet, I'll give it a try.
For origami authors in the USA & Canada, the "biggest"
publishers of origami books are Dover and St. Matrin's Press.

However, neither of these publishers have a history of matching
an origami creator to a graphic artist to create a book.  No no,
these publishers only seem to publish books that the origamist
creates and draws in their own.  Authors like John Montroll,
Robert Lang, Lew Rozelle, and myself create our books on
computer (sometimes using hand-drawn diagrams, though), and
then we give the camera-ready manuscript to the publisher.

Thus, in the current state of origami book publishing an up-and-
coming author should plan on learning how to do high-quality
(or even medium quality - just look at Origami, Plain and Simple!)
origami diagrams on your own.  There are exceptions; Gay Merrill
Gross makes lovely origami books by working with a graphic
design artist that the publisher selects.  But Gay has a lot
of experience.  John Morin is another example of someone who
did this.

But if you're thinking of doing a first book through Dover or
St. Martin's, you'll have to do a lot of the work yourself.
Two things to keep in mind about these publishers:

Dover buys your manuscript outright for a flat fee.  No royalties.

St. Martin's Press gives an advance, and then royalties after the
sales have made up for the advance.  The royalties are usually
something small, like 7 1/2% of the cover price for each book sold.

So don't plan on making a lot of $$ from writing an origami book!
But if you produce the book yourself, you'll have a good chance
getting it published by either Dover or St. Martin's.  (Especially
if it's beginner-level.)

I hope that helps!

--- Tom "not an expert, but I play one on TV" Hull
    thull@merimack.edu
    http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull





From: tommy <tomkat@DALLAS.NET>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:11:27 -0500
Subject: Re: What is a Sonobe unit?

there are some instructions for the sonobe unit at helena's origami site
http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~helena/ori0.html

tommy

JOBBY007 wrote:
>
> Hi, I've been watching the discussions go along for a bit now, and I'm getting
> interested in the mathematical models that you can make out of Sonobe units.
> What are they, and can I find a Web site showing how to make them.
>
> Thanks, Paresh





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:14:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Send any flower info

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Nick Robinson wrote:

> Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE> sez
>
> >You can find flower diagrams
> >             on Nick Robinson"s Page
> >             "flower form" by Nick Robinson
>
> This isn't a flower as such, but a kind of geometric form with curved
> paper, which reminded me of a flower....
>
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
Sorry, for this mistake, I'll change it in my list for future mails

Julius





From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:24:41 -0400
Subject: Re: assembly help

The icosahedron is made from equilateral Sonobe units, 10 altogether
and five of each handedness.

Rona





From: JOBBY007 <JOBBY007@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:35:37 -0400 (
Subject: What is a Sonobe unit?

Hi, I've been watching the discussions go along for a bit now, and I'm getting
interested in the mathematical models that you can make out of Sonobe units.
What are they, and can I find a Web site showing how to make them.

Thanks, Paresh





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:30:55 +0200
Subject: Origami sightings

Here are two origami sightings on TV which I haven't seen mentioned
previously.

'The busy world of Richard Scarry' has a story about a Japanese whose
granddaughter is getting married. He wants to help with wedding
arrangements but to no avail. He tries to get a meeting with an emperor but
doesn't succed. He however gets some paper which has been thrown away and
decorates the wedding-place with paper flowers, birds etc. The name of the
grandfather is, naturally, Origami.

In TV-series 'Millennium', season 1, episode 22: 'Paper Dove' the daughter
of the main character receives a paper dove which is shown again later, but
I won't spoil the plot by telling you where. Interested ones can get the
details from

http://homepages.force9.net/sheamus/millennium/episodes/guide.htm

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:07:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Origami sighting

Mike and Janet Hamilton wrote:

> The Mother Goose & Grimm comics can be found on the web at
> http://www.ctoons.com/javascript/grimm/ns/  <-for Netscape

> http://www.ctoons.com/javascript/grimm/ie/  <-for Internet Explorer

> They are posted a week after publication, so check back on 4/29!
>

Just a reminder.  Today is the day!!!

Isn't that Joisel's rooster?

--
Kim Best                           *******************************
                                   * And more importantly:       *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System  * Is Mother Goose             *
420 Chipeta Way #120               * on the list?                *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108        *******************************





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:35:37 -0400
Subject: Re: publishing origami book

Tom Hull indited:

> But if you're thinking of doing a first book through Dover or
> St. Martin's, you'll have to do a lot of the work yourself.
> Two things to keep in mind about these publishers:
>
> Dover buys your manuscript outright for a flat fee.  No royalties.
>
> St. Martin's Press gives an advance, and then royalties after the
> sales have made up for the advance.  The royalties are usually
> something small, like 7 1/2% of the cover price for each book sold.
>
> So don't plan on making a lot of $$ from writing an origami book!
> But if you produce the book yourself, you'll have a good chance
> getting it published by either Dover or St. Martin's.  (Especially
> if it's beginner-level.)

There are other options too.

Mette Pederson has self published a unit origami book, and I was hoping she
might pipe up (if still on the list) about her experience.  It is certainly no
less work than what Tom has described, since you have to do (or hire out) all
the work yourself too anyways.  As I understand it, Mette is able to print on
demand, so she doesn't have to front a lot of money to printer for books that
might sit around for a while.  Downside is that she has to flog the books to
distributors herself.  Upsides would include retaining complete control,
copyright, and profit margin.

Tom Stamm has done a booklet on his (IMHO wonderful) Dragon model.  I don't
know if he publishes it or if OUSA does.

OUSA (for members) might be another option.  I don't know if they would be
willing to take it on, but there is a sly option, which is to submit the
diagrams for inclusion into an annual collection.  You don't get paid of
course, but you do get a free annual collection in return.

As for Tom's comment about beginner's books, I have to mention this is a pet
peeve of mine.  There are several good beginner's books out there already, as
well as a ton of mediocre beginner's books.  Its a strange world (as if
publishing isn't) where you are more likely to be able to publish a book in an
already flooded market than not.

-Daddy-o "SOAP-BOX OFF" D'gou
--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:59:53 -0400
Subject: Re: flowers

Jane Rosemarin indited:

> Julian A. asked:
> >is Kawasaki's rose the best flower?
>
> I'm surprised that no one else replied to this interesting question.

Likewise!

> The New Rose by Kawasaki is impressive: all that from a square of paper!
> As most of us know, it's a complex model involving crimps that are best
> scored. It is certainly very beautiful.

I would agree that it is probably the most impressive rose model out there, and
certainly one of my favorites.

For non-rose flowers, there are few flower models that top Norminton's
Daffodil.  In the niggling details category, I would have to say that
Norminton's Daffodil outranks Kawasaki's rose because he also has diagrammed a
stem for it, so you have a complete flower.  There is no calyx (as I understand
that term) for a daffodil, so maybe it is slightly less involved than having to
provide another set of diagrams for it.  Made from a hex cut from a "10 inch"
square (9.75 or whatever the metric number converts to) gives a life sized
flower, another subtle bonus.

Norminton's Rose is a simpler model (and it takes thicker paper to hold its
shape well), but it too has a leaf/calyx.  Well, at least what John Smith
taught me at the '97 OUSA convention did.  Since I didn't take notes, I cannot
say for sure that the leaf/calyx John taught was Norminton's.

-D'gou

--
end
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From: Ourldypeac <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:36:56 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse

I would like to have the diagrams for the mickey and minnie models but I don't
know your address.
                                                 Thanks,
                                                       Ian





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:04:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse

Hi to all !!!

WoW, I receive a lot of mail for this diagrams.
Please, send me your address, and I'll send the photocopy of the diagrams.
I have a photo of fold, but my interpretation of the autor, I'm put this
photo in my web page.

Bye for now. Happy Folding!!!!

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: JacAlArt <JacAlArt@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:24:20 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse

In a message dated 4/29/98 2:38:22 PM, you wrote:

<<The Mickey and Minnie Mouse diagrams are published in NOA number 179, page
18.
>>

What is NOA?
~Alec





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:35:47 -0400
Subject: roadrunner

There is a Roadrunner, in a Montroll, I believe. OK, I found it, North
American Animals in Origami. There's also some cacti in there too... a
Saguaro and a Prickly Pear (to me this seems more Roadrunner-like with the
Cacti, like Wile E. Coyote would be hiding behind one of the cacti waiting
to (try to) take out the roadrunner). The roadrunner is not the cartoon guy,
but he looks pretty cute.





From: Doris.L@T-ONLINE.DE
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:50:00 +0100
Subject: Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse

The Mickey and Minnie Mouse diagrams are published in NOA number 179, page 18.
The models are really good.

Origamically
Doris





From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:24:37 -0400 (
Subject: Re: chat room

Would love to participate in a chat room for Origami.  Does anyone know how to
start one up?  I think it would be great fun to have ongoing discussions.
