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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:16:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Sci-fi Origami

At 05:45 PM 4/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 04:50 PM 98-04-15 -0400, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know any good books or places to find origami of like say
>>x-wings and tie fighters, startrek, etc...?
>>
>
>If you do, let me know as well!!!
>
>
>                                        Cathy

        And me too!:) It seems like there's a lot of sci fans lurking on
this list... maybe it's about time a sci-fi origami book was published? I
would be sure to be one of the first ones to purchase it!

        Amy

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From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:26:04 -0400
Subject: [NO] Re:Adobe proposes vector graphics markup language

> I think this could prove very interesting for alternative publishing
> methods for diagrams, especially the "zoom" effects it mentions.

I think it might depend a lot on how the drawing tools are implemented.  It
seems to me that everyone has a different favorite diagramming method, and
that it would be difficult to come up with a package that everyone would want
to use.  Instead, I think a converter that changes from a standard raster
format (i.e., .GIF) to a vector PGML output might be the best way to go.  I
know that raster->vector programs exist, but I think that they may be hard to
program and it might not be something we'll be able to put together.  Perhaps
Adobe will come up with something like that though.

I think the zoom might be an effective tool, but to be quite honest, there
haven't been many times where I need to look closely at a diagram to see the
intricacies of a fold.  Fortunately, most diagrammers take care of this when
they make the diagrams.

Just my ramblings, ignore if you wish.

J.B. Raasch





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:33:25 -0700
Subject: Re: origami mpeg

At 15:50 +0200 1998/04/16, Ariel wrote:
>For those of you with a lot of bandwidth in their internet access and the
>personality of a collectionist ..there is an mpeg video ( about 3 megabytes)
>showing an origami dinosaur fighting an origami pterodachtyl ( or whatever
>it is spelled).

The person who made it was a real fan of Montroll's "Prehistoric Origami".
It features a landscape populated by origami prehistoric trees, and a
tyrannosaurus  stalking a triceratops only to have it stolen by a
rhamphorynchus. The animation is slow and choppy, and the file downloads
VERY slowly (and I did this via our T1 line at work). I think it took over
30 minutes for the 3.7 MB file. Overall, I'd say it's not really worth
seeing.

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From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:48:21 +0200
Subject: Re: x-fighter, startrek,etc

At 04:50 PM 4/15/98 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anyone know any good books or places to find origami of like say

>x-wings and tie fighters, startrek, etc...?

>

I recommend you ( and the integrants of the list that interested as well
in the subject) taking a look at:

http://www.odyssee.net/~draken/draken/origami.html

Additionally Marc Kirschebaum has a model of the Enterprise, which can be
found

here

http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models.bin/index.htm

<bold>

</bold>Cheers

Ariel





From: Craige Davis <cldavis@PERSON.NET>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:09:56 -0400
Subject: Re Sci Fi Origami blunder

Carlos and company, I stand corrected.  (Wasn't the first time, definitely
will not be the last.)  In my zeal to come to aid of a fellow member of the
'fold', I have gone astray.  I will endeavor in the future to identify my
bookmarks more accurately.  (Let's face it after a while they all kind of
run together.  Thanks for keeping my straight, guys. My wife has to work
overtime in that department.

                                        your enthusiastic freshman

                                        Craige Davis
                                        cldavis@person.net





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:40:49 -0300
Subject: Deltoids & Book information

Thanks to all for answer my questions, specially Ariel, Janet Hamilton and
Richard Satin.

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:18:26 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Webpage Preview

Hey all,
       I've been working on a couple of projects for school....one is a
website  for a class I'm taking called WWW.  I'ts almost finished and should
be published by the end of this month...  This is my first webpage, and I'm
still learning all the little tricks.  These couple of pages have no links
because they are just test samples.  The theme of the site is origami, and the
first collection that I've included is Montroll's Chinese Zodiac( I've changed
the designs somewhat to give them a more "3D" effect). The sizes of the image
files are rather large.  I would be interested to hear any suggestions anyone
may have.

http://members.aol.com/RGS467/snake.html

 http://members.aol.com/RGS467/RAT2.HTML

http://members.aol.com/RGS467/dog.html

Russell

RGS467@AOL.com

PS:  Credit of text and basic origami designs will be given to John Montroll.





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:31:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson
Doug,

Your right I shouldn't give up!  I loved that model and definitely will
try it again.

Judy

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From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:33:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson

Hi Pat,

Judy

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From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:48:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Another (new?) Kangaroo

Hello All:

I apologize if this has been mentioned before, but I just discovered it last
 night and am still excited to have found a new book.  This was at Barnes &
 Noble, and is a new collection of work by P.D. Tuyen.  His style is so unique,
 even his bases are unusual, quite a departure from the others I'm more familiar
 with.

Anyway, the models all make interesting use of both sides of the paper
 (white/color), have beautifully understated energy and are fun to make,
 although sometimes the diagrams are not as clear as they could be in some of
 the trickier steps.  (I still can't make the spider from Tuyen's other book).
 Anyway, the kangaroo is quite detailed, looks very sturdy when completed, and
 has lots of interesting detail.

Just my $.02...

                Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"

                        Steve Woodmansee

                        stevew@empnet.com

                    Bend, Oregon

            <bold>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

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From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:41:25 -0300
Subject: Re: origami mpeg

>>From owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Thu Apr 16 22:28 EST 1998
>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>>
>>The person who made it was a real fan of Montroll's "Prehistoric Origami".
>>It features a landscape populated by origami prehistoric trees, and a
>>tyrannosaurus  stalking a triceratops only to have it stolen by a
>>rhamphorynchus. The animation is slow and choppy, and the file downloads

I was wondering if my MPEG player went buggy, but looks like Joseph's also
found the video choppy... Anyway, the video belongs to a collection of
student projects at Cornell U. The interesting (for us) part is,
*almost* every project has a page commenting technical details and
the making-of. Guess *which* one is the exception? :-(

The animation "characters" are almost exactly modelled after Montroll's
book (glaring exception is the T.rex's jaw). Unfortunately, they are
quite "rigid" models, only the T.rex's thigs and R. wings move (a
little). Hey, the Ramphorynchus was supposed to be crow-sized! :-)

        Sincerely,
        Carlos
                furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:00:37 -0700
Subject: New Books (was Re: Another (new?) Kangaroo)

At 09:48 -0700 1998/04/17, Steve Woodmansee wrote:
>I...am still excited to have found a new book.  This...is a new collection
>of work by P.D. Tuyen.  His style is so unique,  even his bases are
>unusual, quite a departure from the others I'm more familiar  with.
>
>Anyway, the models all make interesting use of both sides of the paper
>(white/color)...

Ugh...I still don't like his work. Bulky and angular, with extraneous flaps
of paper hanging out all over the place. Still, that's just my opinion, not
necessarily anyone else's!

On another note, when I visited Bellingham, WA, last week, I saw our own
John Morin's book and paper kit at the Barnes & Noble there. "The Ultimate
Origami Kit", I believe it's called. Looked interesting, but it was
shrink-wrapped, so I didn't get to look inside it. And with the exchange
rate being as bad as it is, I didn't buy it.

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From: McPhee <mcphee@ACCESSONE.COM>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:57:11 -0700
Subject: Metal Origami FYI

I just started a class in Lost Wax Casting for creating Bronzes. The
professor has had years of experience and mentioned in the
orientation/overview that one term he help a student create a small cast of
a paper crane. He said it was quite a successful challenge.

FYI: on a previous thread...

-mcphee...





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:07:02 +0200
Subject: Mathematica software and the flapping bird animation

Hi to all.

                    I heard mentioned some time ago a math software that
could do origami animations. I found that famous example of the flapping
bird on the internet. Here is the link: http://www.wri.com/graphics/
choose animations from the frame menu).

Here is a bit more info as well: http://www.wri.com/discovery/its.html

 Cheers





From: Jeff Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:45:58 -0400
Subject: a NON-origami related question -- Music in Japan
Origami Forum, and this question is not about Origami -- but I did not know who
 else
to ask

I know that there are a few members of the list from Japan -- and I am hoping
 that
someone will have insight that can help me:

I have been looking into buying some music CD's that are imported from Japan.
(Particularly the group Rockapella)  The CD's are $35-$45 each!  Are CD's in
 Japan
always more expensive than in the US?  Is this because of the exchange rate or
something?

Once again -- sorry about the non-Origami nature of this message
Thanks everyone!
Jeff





From: Ian & Karen Mitchell <paris@ACCESSIN.COM.AU>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:09:11 +0800
Subject: Kangaroo

Just a thought of another kangaroo...
Sidney French (a founder of BOS) designed a roo in Harbins Origami 3 , and
is one of my favourites designed from a bird base.. quite realistic and
"3d" (although more by bulk than  Brills sculpting style)

also for with Joey try
E.G. Langridle in Harbins More Origami (origami 2).. very basic model

Ian
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From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:17:51 -0400 (
Subject: Origami Sighting: Mobil Oil Pegasus (old, unconfirmed)

Origami Sighting: Mobil Oil Pegasus (old, unconfirmed)

I just heard from a friend, that, when he was a child,
back in the late 40's to early 50's, Harris Oil company
distributed (maybe 11 inch by 17 inch, legal size)
sheets of paper, printed on both sides, that folded
up without cutting, into the Mobil Oil Pegasus.

This is the first I've heard of this.
Can anyone out there confirm this?
Does anyone still have one of these?
I suspect it was actually a flapping bird
or something, with a pegasus printed on it,
but that's just a guess.

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:56:36 -0100
Subject: ordering books by credit card from Japan

I've been told that this website might be a good way to order books from
Japan by credit card.
This is 2nd hand info. I haven't tried ti, and I dont know if my source (an
American who goes back and forth between Japan and California on business
fairly often) has.

http: //www.trc.co.jp/

Also Sasuga bookstore whose website address has been given before:
http://world.std.com/~sasuga/index.html

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:39:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting: Mobil Oil Pegasus (old, unconfirmed)

Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM> sez

>This is the first I've heard of this.
>Can anyone out there confirm this?

I can confirm your sighting, it was mentioned at a British convention
*years* ago, but I can't remember any more details. Ask some of the
older members of OUSA....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: "Brian D. Goad" <bbbco@MAILEXCITE.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:23:49 -0700
Subject: thanks for all the advice but...

I want to thank you all for your advice but i'm looking for some shareware that
 allowes
you to make origami diagrams.

If any of you know of any please reply back.
---
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From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:09:43 -0500
Subject: Re: thanks for all the advice but...

Did you ask Sebastion Kirsch?  I believe he runs his computer completely by the
     use of freeware and shareware.  You might ask him for help.

His email is:   skirsch@-online.de

Sebastion, hope you don't mind my referring some one to you.

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/
-----Original Message-----
Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 12:29 PM

>
>I want to thank you all for your advice but i'm looking for some shareware that
> allowes
>you to make origami diagrams.
>
>If any of you know of any please reply back.
>---
>Thank You for reading this E-Mail,
>              Brian D. Goad
>
>
>
>
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From: Jim Cauble <jimc@SESSIONWARE.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:03:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Sci-fi Origami

> Does anyone know any good books or places to find origami of like say
> x-wings and tie fighters, startrek, etc...?
>
        That I can't say.  This Easter, however, my brother took some
construction paper and two eggs and made pretty intricate models of a
tie fighter and an x-wing.  I was especially impressed with the R2-D2 in
the back of Luke's ship (Luke, however, wasn't visible through the dark
glass windows). It wasn't origami, but it was a creative use of paper
and eggs.  (My brother likes to make pop-up cards and things like that a
lot, so this isn't out of the ordinary for him.)

        -Mel





From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:03:30 -0400
Subject: martha -- again!

I know how much y'all love Martha Stewart.  Well, I just got her May issue, and
there again is "origami" -- this time "origami" boxes.    She's got box cutouts
and embedded boxes, but of course *no* attribution (no mention of any human
being, such as Fuse) AND there in the middle of the picture showing the "tools"
necessary for the job is a (gasp) stick of glue.  Alas.

Candice

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
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From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:28:20 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting: Oil Company Pegasus.

Kenneth Kawamura writes:" I have just heard from a friend that, when he was a
child, back in the late 40s to early 50s, Harris Oil Company distributed
sheets of paper (maybe 11 inches by 17 inches, legal size), printed on both
sides, that folded up without cutting, into the Mobil Oil Pegasus".

This raises some very interesting questions. My attention was first drawn to
the "Oil-company Pegasus" by Gershon Legman's  "Bibliography of Paper-
Folding", which carries an end-note: "Pre-printed from Journal of Occasional
Bibliography, 1952". (That very statement was a joke: no such Journal of
Occasional Bibliography ever existed and  generations of paperfolders have
turned the hair of generations of librarians white, looking for this non-
existent journal.)

The entry in Legaman's Bibliography reads as follows:

"Sony-Vacuum Corp.  The Strory of Pegasus  [New York] 1934.

   Single-sheet promotional circular giving directions for folding the
Flapping Bird out of marked and red-colored square, giving it the appearance
of the flying horse, Pegasus, the trade-mark of Standard Oil Company. (Note:
Pegasus  is apparently to be pronounced PeGASus, to advertise petrol-gas, as
Sacony's totem for their oil is a GargOYLE)".

I have come across one or two more recent mentions of the folded Pegasus, but
Kenneth Kawamura's e-mail referring to a similar folding sheet issued by the
Harris Oil Company in the late 40s to early 50s and apparently alluding to the
Mobil Oil Pegasus is new to me.

The history of Standard Oil (whisper its initials soflty and you will get what
it is about) is one of the utmost fascination. Until 1911, Standard Oil formed
a vast and indeterminate conglomerate of interrelated companies and trusts of
unbounded commerical power, which contolled the United States' (and, indeed,
the world's) petoleum industry. It was one of the main reasons for  the
passing of United States "anti-trust" legislation", which was not so much
against trusts as such, but against MONOPOLY. In 1911, following a judgement
of the Supreme Court, the Standard Oil Company (New Jersey), (which was only
one part of the conglomerate), was  broken up into thirty-three separate
companies, one of which, among the many, was the Standard Oil Company of New
York.

In 1931, the Standard Oil Company of New York (S O CO NY) merged with Vacuum
Oil  (another of the old conglomerate companies) to form the Socony-Vacuum
Corporation. In 1955, the name was changed to Socony Mobil Oil Company,
Inc.Then in 966, there was a further change of name to the Mobil Oil
Corporation. (Incidentally, another of the fragments of the old conglomerate,
Standard Oil Company (New Jersey) changed its name to Exxton Corporation in
1972 and Exxton remains one of the largest oil companies of the world, still
using the brand name "Esso".

I apologise for this detour into company history and have kept brief even at
the risk of its being misleading, but I think my nutshell account is necesary
to explain the background to the Pegasus trademark.

The Pegasus folding sheet is certainly not a book and  is an odd thing to find
in a bibliography. But in those days, when paperfolding had never previously
been researched, Gershon Legman was  trying to gather together every scrap of
information he could about paperfolding. (Remember, this was even before
Legman had got into touch with Akira Yoshizawa, which did not happen until
1953) [Thus, elsewhere in his Bibliography, he quotes G.K.Chesterton's
"Manalive" of 1912, where "the hero, innocent Smith, on mock trial as a
criminal lunatic, had been provided with pens and paper, out of the latter of
which he made paper boats, paper darts, and paper dolls contentedly through
the whole proceedings. he never spoke." This is a reminder of  an incident in
his earlier life, with which Legman was won't  to regale his audiences. It was
probably an invention, but he used to recount how, as a young man, he managed
to preserve himself invioate during a short spell in prison, when frustrated
inmates set their sights on assaulting him. As a decoy, he feverishly started
folding paper. His would-be assailants hld of in bewilderment, came to the
conclusion that he was mad and were scared off.]

Legman took a poor view of the Pegasus folding sheet and seeing it as an
attempt to promote the sale of the company's petrol or gasolene through the
children of owners of cars, declared that it was the meanest and lowest rip-
off yet. (I don't at present recall the source of this reference, but it may
have been in a private letter to me.)

I didn't think any more about the reference to the Socony Vacuum Corporation
Pegasus until recently, when I was going through papers in the private library
that the British Origami Society has recently purchased. And there I found a
copy of the Pegasus folding sheet. I knew that as an item of ephemera after
all these years, it must be exceedingly rare. Not only that, it was it was in
pristine condition and I was delighted that a copy had come to the BOS, where,
it may be hoped, it will be presered for future generations.

The sheet is 13 1/2 inches by 8 3/4 inches, divided on both sides into a
square at the top and a rectangle at the foot. On one side the square carries
the advertising blurb and the surplus rectangle at the foot contains the
second part of diagrams and instructions (pre-Yoshizawa, of course) for
folding the square into a flying horse (alias, the Flapping Bird). On the
reverse, the square is in the form of a pre-printed sheet for folding the
flying horse, with dotted lines numbered in accordance with the instructions.
The foot contains the first part of the instructions for folding the flying
horse. "How to make the Socony-Vacuum Pegasus flap his wings". Beneath this
heading is written: "Folding Time, 12 minutes, 23 seconds". Did someone hold a
stop-watch?

The parts of the Pegasus that will utimately be visible, when folded, are
printed in red on the pre-printed sheet. Overleaf, at the top of the
advertising blurb, the Pegasus, as the trade-mark of Sacony Vacuum, is also
printed in red.The blurb gives a short. mythological history of the Pegasus.
It continues:"The doughty Bellerophon, another ancient Greek hero, rode
Pegasus on his successful expedition against the fearful, fire-breathing
monster, Chimaera, which was ravaging all Lycia...........The makers of
Sacony-Vacuum products, therefore, quite properly selected Pegasus as their
emblem and trade-mark. Sacony-Vacuum products are likewise unequalled in their
high quality and performance."

Across the lower part of the burb is printed, in large characters, the name
"Standard Oil Company of New York, Inc., a Socony-Vacuum Company", indicating
that the advertisement was actually issued by Standard Oil of New York and not
by its parent company.

Ken Kawamura refers to a similar printed sheet issued by the Harris Oil
Company in the 40s or 50s. I have been unable to find out anything about the
Harris Oil Company, but I suspect that, like the Standard Oil Company of New
York, it was a subsidiary of the Socony-Vacuum Corporation. If Socony-Vacuum
did not change its name to Mobil Oil until 1966, the printed sheet would have
been issued before "Mobil" became a familiar name. As far as I know, a folding
sheet has never been issued under the name of "Mobil". (Nor do I know where
the name "Mobil" came from.)

Today, the Red Pegasus is a familiar symbol of Mobil Oil all over the world. I
have to admit that I had not previously connected the reference to the Pegasus
folding sheet mentioned by Gershon Leman with the Pegasus that stands over
every Mobil petrol station. I'm grateful to Ken Kawamura for setting me of on
a fascinating little journey that has shown how much there can be in a little
piece of paper.

By 1934 the Flapping Bird was becoming well-known and had appeared in several
books and magazines. But was the Sacony-Vaccuum hand-out the first time it was
used for purposes of advertising? I look forward to being corrected, but I
think that it may well have been.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:59:28 -0400 (
Subject: Re: a NON-origami related question -- Music in Japan

Re: a Non-origiami related question - Music in Japan.

Jeff Ellis asks about the price of CDs in Japan.

I regret that I can't give a direct answer to this question, because I don't
know the price of CDs in Japan itself.

It is however, my experience that Japanese books, whether bought of the shelf
from a bookshop or dealer in the West or ordered specially through a Western
bookseller are invariably expensive. Moreoever, it is same if a book is bought
directly from a dealer in Japan.

Anything imported from Japan is usually, if not invariably very
expensive.There are several reasons for this.

1. The Yen was, until quite recently overvalued against Western currencies, so
that on the basis of foreign exchange, things bought from Japan would
automatically be more expensive in the West. Fortunately for Westerners, the
value of the Yen has gone down dramatically, with a corresponding reduction in
the cost of Japanese goods.

2.  Commercial importers from Japan automatically add a very high mark-up. In
part, this represents the cost of importing from Japan, including the
difficulty of communicating with Japanese firms, the language barrier, the
cultural barrier, the difficullties of making payment, the cost of conversion
of money and the cost of carriage. Anyone overcoming these hurdles feels
justified in charging a high mark-up and in commercial terms is probably
justified in doing so. However, some importers probably use these difficulties
as a smokescreen to cover their charging a mark-up that is much more than
reasonable on the basis that not many people are going to work out what would
be reasonable.

3.  As I pointed out in a posting about two weeks ago, Japanese banks make
heavy charges for negotiating bank drafts even when they are drawn on a
Japanese bank and re already coverted into Yen. (This should not, however, be
so onerous in respect of a large commercial order as it is with a small
private order.)

The best solution is to find a correspondednt in japan who will send you goods
in return for goods you send him. I know an American book collector who does
this with great success.

The only problem is to find an amenable correspondent in Japan who wants to
aquire things from the West. It's easier said than done.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: "Julian A." <hullianx13@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:55:05 -0700 (
Subject: paper planes

subject="paper planes"

i need to build a model of a plane which will glide the longest distance
in a contest (regular sized 8X11 bond paper)(under 15 minutes to build
it)

can anyone give me the best model they have by 4/21/98

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From: "Julian A." <hullianx13@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:56:01 -0700 (
Subject: flowers

subject="flowers"

want all possible information of flowers

is Kawasaki's rose the best flower?

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From: eeeteee <tend2it@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:16:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Tie me Kangaroo down sport

And don't forget my Dollar Bill Kangaroo published in the Origami USA
Convention '90,  The Annual Collection,  p80  ;o)

--Eric Tend--





From: Steven Casey <093535@BUD.CC.SWIN.EDU.AU>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:59:22 +1000
Subject: Re: Tie me Kangaroo down sport

Just thought I'd mention a few other forgotten kangaroo models by:

John Montroll, Animal Origami for the Enthusiast, p54

Stephen Weiss, Origami Zoo by R. Lang and S. Weiss, p59

Kunihiko Kasahara, Creative Origami by K. Kasahara, p80

Kunihiko Kasahara, Origami made easy by K. Kasahara, p92

Isao Honda, World of Origami by I. Honda, p 148

Dave Brill, p24, issue 67, British Origami

R. Saunders or C. Morris ? Aussiegami, p17

Toshi Takahama, Creative Life with Creative Origami II, p76

Dokuohtei Nakano, Nakano's Correspondance Course, p9, 5/41

Also check out the CD rom, Origami the Secret Life of Paper ( for a Photo
of a Roo )

Either Danial Mason or Anthony O'Hare (I'll check it out) have created a
realistic looking kangaroo, designed from a half bird base half frog base.

The title of this message is a reference to a song written by Rolf
Harris, who illustrated Paper Magic for Robert Harbin. You'll find a
model of a Kangaroo by Robert Harbin on page 60 and a comical version
(The Sad Kangaroo) by Rolf Harris  on page 90 of Paper Magic.

bye

Steven Casey
Melbourne, Australia





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:07:10 +0100
Subject: More Lister epics available...

There are now 18 of David Lister's enlightening messages at the BOS
site, with a few more to come. If you have any favourites you'd like to
see there, please send me copies of them - I may have missed some during
listserver "down-time"!

There is also a page of contact e-mails for most of the BOS council,
should you wish to reach them directly.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:23:25 -0300
Subject: New diagrams in Web page

Hi All,

I put a diagrams on my page. The diagrams are for the beginner, and two
diagrams of George Rhoads.

I hope you!!!

Web page: http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall

Happy folding.

Patricia Gallo
halgall@netverk.com.ar





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:18:01 +0200
Subject: Hand-drawn diagrams vs. computer-generated

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Perry Bailey wrote:
> Did you ask Sebastion Kirsch?  I believe he runs his computer completely
> by the use of freeware and shareware.  You might ask him for help.

Well, thanks, but I have to disappoint you. For my new model, I decided to
diagram it by hand, then scan these diagrams and put them together with
the text using LaTeX.

I think I agree in this aspect with Dave Brill who says that hand-drawn
diagrams have a charm of their own -- if they are well-done -- and that
computer-generated diagrams, however precise they may be, sometimes miss
the point of explaining how exactly a fold is done.

There may be other reasons for my favouring hand-drawn diagrams, of
course. For one thing, I am quite conservative -- which is an odd thing to
be for a seventeen-year-old -- and I feel attracted to thing which seem
to be anachronisms for most people, like typewriters, command-line
interfaces for the computer, black-and-white photography, vinyl disks,
etc. Hand-drawn diagrams simply fall into this category as well. (I can
also find very definite reasons for using these things, and go on for
pages explaining them, but all these explanations don't get the real
reason, and that is that I simply like doing things a little differently,
without using the latest technology.)

I am of course influenced by the diagrams by Herman van Goubergen, Dave
Brill or Kunihiko Kasahara I have seen, which are almost (or even quite)
works of art in themselves. I can only hope to get to these levels
eventually, but you always start a journey with the first step.

And if you can mate hand-drawn diagrams with beautifully typeset text,
which I hope to attain by using LaTeX for the typesetting, that's even
better.

This is one thing I dislike about Dave Brill's book: The pictures are
beautiful, but the typesetting is absolutely ghastly. The typesetter
obviously couldn't decide which type of quotation marks to use, and
consequently uses different forms for each new quotation. Most of the
times, he doesn't even use real quotation marks, but uses double ticks
instead; the same for the apostrophe, which he replaces by a tick mark.
The ellipsis is never used, instead three (or even four!) normal dots are
used. There are even cases where there are blanks in front of punctuation
marks. And I won't even go on about incorrect spacing or missing
ligatures. No offence to you, Dave, but the book looks as if it's typeset
by a complete amateur. Everybody with only a marginal knowledge of
typesetting could have done better.

To get back to the original theme, the last reason for using hand-drawn
diagrams may simply be laziness; I am too lazy to sit down and learn how
to use a drawing programm.

And, as a last piece of advice, there are two free graphic programs for
Linux, namely tgif and xfig. I have tried both, and find that I like xfig
better, although this says nothing about whether it's suited for origami
diagrams. Real masochists might also consider using MetaPOST, which uses a
dialect of the METAFONT language and produces PostScript output based on a
mathematical description of the picture. (D. E. Knuth used it for the
pictures in some of his books.)

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Meristein <Meristein@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:14:42 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Hand-drawn diagrams vs. computer-generated

I agree with Sebastian; there is indeed charm to accurate and well-done hand-
drawn diagrams; Paul Jackson's with the watercolour washes are among my
favourites.  When I do diagram something, I always draft by hand, with
Rapidograph pens and a drafting arm. There is also something to be said for
the anachronistic; since the majority of the arts I indulge in are just that,
to wit bookbinding, marbling, calligraphy(with steel nibs) and bonsai, I feel
rather strongly about it. The argument that drawing programmes are faster than
hand-drawing has not proven to be so, at least for me.

Welcome to the fuddyduddies' club!

Merida(Eh? What's that? I can't hear you!) Weinstein





From: Bryan Feir <jenora@ISTAR.CA>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:30:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Hand-drawn diagrams vs. computer-generated

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

> Well, thanks, but I have to disappoint you. For my new model, I decided to
> diagram it by hand, then scan these diagrams and put them together with
> the text using LaTeX.

[...]

> And, as a last piece of advice, there are two free graphic programs for
> Linux, namely tgif and xfig. I have tried both, and find that I like xfig
> better, although this says nothing about whether it's suited for origami
> diagrams.

   Well, the one time I did some serious diagramming for an APA that I'm
involved with, these were what I used: xfig, exporting to Encapsulated
PostScript, then LaTeX to do the typesetting and placement.  Ended up
needing a fair bit of manual massaging, though I expect that with my more
recently gained understanding of LaTeX I could probably set up a macro
package to do this sort of thing.  It was a very simple figure that I had
designed myself, with lots of detail in the diagramming as this was going
to people who had never done origami before.

   Anyhow, just wanted to say that the xfig/LaTeX/Linux setup does work,
and I've the printed pages to prove it.

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VA3GBF|"A half-truth, like a half-brick, is more forcible
bryan@sgl.crestech.ca      | in an argument than a whole one...
jenora@istar.ca            | it carries further."     -- Stephen Leacock





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:01:14 -0500
Subject: Re: assembly help

90 Sonobe should be possible, consult the tables in Origami for the
Connoisseur (Kasahara) or Unit Origami (Fuse) for the shape that will
create.

Off the top of my head I would say that it would be based on a
truncated-icosahedron.  You math-types may wanna chime in here.

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Sah5234 [mailto:Sah5234@AOL.COM]
                Sent:   Monday, April 20, 1998 9:41 AM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        assembly help

                hey I need some help on the Modular Form of the "3-D
Chain Link"  Suggested by
                the "3-D Chain Link" Invented by Dr. James Sakoda.  I
don't know how to
                assemble the six squares.  I also need some help on the
assembly of the
                90-unit Sonobe if there is one. Thanks!!

                Stephen





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:34:12 -0700
Subject: Re: a NON-origami related question -- Music in Japan
At 22:45 -0400 1998/04/17, Jeff Ellis wrote:
>I have been looking into buying some music CD's that are imported from Japan.
>(Particularly the group Rockapella)  The CD's are $35-$45 each!  Are CD's in
>Japan always more expensive than in the US?  Is this because of the
>exchange rate or something?

Yes, they are more expensive, in general. Special CDs, especially imports
or Japan-only releases, cost even more. Needless to say, I didn't buy many
CDs in Japan. Still, the regular price of CDs was less than what you're
saying. More like the $20-$30 range. I would assume you're paying for the
import and for whatever duties were levied. So you listen to Rockapella? I
remember them from when they did the theme song for "Where in the World is
Carmen Sandiego".

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Sah5234 <Sah5234@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:41:27 -0400 (
Subject: assembly help

hey I need some help on the Modular Form of the "3-D Chain Link"  Suggested by
the "3-D Chain Link" Invented by Dr. James Sakoda.  I don't know how to
assemble the six squares.  I also need some help on the assembly of the
90-unit Sonobe if there is one. Thanks!!

Stephen





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:13:25 +0200
Subject: Re: Hand-drawn diagrams vs. computer-generated

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
.
.
.
> To get back to the original theme, the last reason for using hand-drawn
>
> And, as a last piece of advice, there are two free graphic programs for
> Linux, namely tgif and xfig. I have tried both, and find that I like xfig
> better, although this says nothing about whether it's suited for origami
> diagrams. Real masochists might also consider using MetaPOST, which uses a
> dialect of the METAFONT language and produces PostScript output based on a
> mathematical description of the picture. (D. E. Knuth used it for the
> pictures in some of his books.)

Don`t even think about using MetaPPST,Metafont, or other graphicparts(like
PICTeX) of LaTeX. It is not worth the time you put into it to learn the
language. If learned the programming languages last year andcan use them
today, but I'm very dissatisfied with them.

Julius





From: rroos@alleg.edu
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:09:17 -0400
Subject:

If anyone wants to see an example of xfig-generated diagrams, I have a
"snail mail" corner fold at my Website that was created (about three years
ago) using xfig on a Sun workstation:

        http://ace.alleg.edu/~roos/origami.html

(I don't do a very good job of keeping my web pages current, so my apologies
if you go exploring and find lots of dead links.)

Bob Roos
rroos@alleg.edu
http://ace.alleg.edu/~roos





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:23:25 -0400 (
Subject: New Origami Webpage

Well, for what it's worth, my new webpage is up.  The focus is origami... the
featured collection is Montroll's "Chinese Zodiac."

Thanks for your suggestions, Joseph Wu... I went with the University's server
(as opposed to AOL's).  I downsized the image files by 1/3 (yet, they are
still pretty large)...and , as of now...if you select "gallery" in the
individual pages, you will get a dead link....In my haste to post the site, I
neglected to consider that HTML is case sensitive(galleryVGALLERY)...at any
rate ...I'll have it fixed soon.  I promise to do better on my next "featured"
collection.

Here is the URL:

http://lonestar.utsa.edu/dcamaril/INDEX.HTM

I'm taking suggestions on what the next collection should be next... 20 points
for identifying the origami featured in my "attempt" at an animated gif...  20
more points for identifying the origami in the wallpaper of the Homepage;)

                                                                             R
egards,   Russell

RGS467





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:16:55 -0400
Subject: Re: assembly help

Well, actually I think it would be the dodecahedron,
because in building with Sonobe type units, you have
to fill in the centers of squares, pentagons, etc.

So each of the 12 pentagonal faces of the dodecahedron
is formed by 5 units in a sort of star shape with the folds
of the units radiating from the center of the pentagon/star
(12x5=60 units) and then the other 30 units are the edges
of the dodecahedron joining those stars together...

With Sonobe unit constructions, each edge takes a unit, but
then you have to fill in the the polygons with more than 3
sides with "spokes" or even compounds of polygons filled with
spokes. You don't get a "smooth" surface, but one covered
with 3 sided pyramids and eventually they start to interfere
with each other, so the 900 unit model is the limit of the
"regular" models...

valerie





From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:00:17 -0400 (
Subject: Origami in Mad magazine, Guiseppe Baggi's sculptures

Hi everyone.

Apologies for bothering you with this, but I'm not
a very skilled researcher, and haven''t managed
to track this down on the Internet, Web, or
in the newsgroup archive.

Guiseppe Baggi, who was a wiz at all kinds of
sculpture, did some money folds for Mad magazine.
Also some wire sculptures, and some sculptures
out of household tools and implements. They were
used as illustrations for subscription ads between
1963 and 1968, I think.

At first I thought the money folds were play money,
but I just got a chance to look at some of the ads,
and he seems to be using real, foreign, i.e.
non-USA, paper money.

Baggi also did at least two origami features for Mad
magazine. I think one was titled "Orgygami", but I
haven't been able to find my copy, so I don't even
know what issue it was in. The other was titled
"Mad Origami Zoo of Cliche Animals".

Here's what I can find of Baggi's stuff, right now.

#       Month   Yr      pg      type            detail/notes
----    ---------       ----    ----    ----------------------------------------
     -------------
---
78      Apr     '63     3       GB WS           Blind Beggar

81      Sep     '63     3       GB WS           Golfer (uncredited)
                        5       O               drawing, boat w/paperclip
     anchor chain

80      Jul     '63             GB WS           Bowler

93      Mar     '65             GB TS           Sewing Bug
                                GB WS           Jazz Band

95      Jun     '95     3       GB TS           Hair Care Monster

96      Jul     '65             GB TS           Gardening Tools Monster

97      Sep     '65             GB TS           Electrical Bug

98      Oct     '65             GB TS           Bolt & Wrench Monster

99      Dec     '95     2       GB TS           Office Supplies Monster

113     Sep     '67     3       GB PMO          Gorilla

114`    Oct     '67             GB PMO          Hound

115     Dec     '67     3       GB PMO          Penguin

118     Apr     '68     3       GB PMO          Whale

120     Jul     '68     2       GB PMO          Turtle

10      Special '74 ?   36-38   GB O            Mad Origami Zoo of Cliche
     Animals

I could swear I've seen a cat and a swan, too.
I know I have more somewhere, but it's been
some time since I've seen that stuff.

Anyone have a better list?

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com (Kenneth M. Kawamura)





From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@FASCINATING-FOLDS.COM>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:53:56 -0700
Subject: Locating a Book with the Model You Want

RE:  Finding a Book which contains diagrams for a model you wish to fold.

We receive a 'huge' amount of emails inquiring if we know which book a
particular model can be found in.  In answer to these inquiries, we have
added a new feature to our website.  At the top of Origami Land you will
find a link to the Origami Model Database.  You can choose from a long list
of categories and a list of all models fitting that category will appear
with links to the end product page
where you can see an image of the book and find more details.  Please allow
a few liberties with the category you may find a particular model in - for
instance, Santa Claus is in 'Human Figures' - not 'Mythical Creatures' :-)

When all models in a book were by the author, we did not list the creator.
However, we did try to list the creator whenever it would help you determine
if the model was the one you were looking for and when the book the model is
included in contains models by a number of creators.  Please remember that
the books in this database are only books which are currently available -
i.e. are in-print now - it does not contain listings for books which are no
longer available.

Hope it helps :-)
Bren
4/21/98
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - -
Fascinating Folds
Suppliers for Origami and the Paper Arts
http://www.fascinating-folds.com





From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:32:50 -0500
Subject: Re: martha -- again!

Candice writes:

>I know how much y'all love Martha Stewart.  Well, I just got her May
>issue, and
>there again is "origami" -- this time "origami" boxes.    She's got box
>cutouts
>and embedded boxes, but of course *no* attribution (no mention of any human
>being, such as Fuse) AND there in the middle of the picture showing the
>"tools"
>necessary for the job is a (gasp) stick of glue.  Alas.

Well, of course Martha considers all origami to be "traditional Japanese
craft" so it's free for the pilfering.   :(   Apparently she has lifted
many recipes from cookbooks without attribution also.

But in this case I think we have to let her off the hook--as best I could
tell the only origami box that she makes use of in the May issue is the
traditional *masu* measuring box, which does benefit from a little glue
over the long-term....

Curiously I came up with the idea a couple of months ago of folding origami
boxes for birthday invitations for my goddaughter who is turning one.  Now
everyone in chic Fairfield County, CT is going to think that I've lifted
the idea from Martha Stewart Living!!

The boxes did turn out adorable, I must say.  I used a simple Fuse 4-unit
box (the one she makes nesting boxes out of), made out of Mini Floral Duo
paper, in 3 inch squares:  green and yellow for the lid, pink and blue for
the body--folded to be very shallow (about 7:1 width to depth ratio) so I
could slip them in a padded envelope with minimal risk of being crushed in
the mail.  Inside I used a 6 inch square of the same paper for the
invitation, folded into thirds each way and twist-folded into the
traditional pinwheel, with a label in the very center that I printed on a 2
inch square, containing the info.  I tied the boxes with some tiny
grosgrain ribbon and voila!

I will say that I did enjoy Martha's idea of scanning a piece of fabric
into the computer and using a color printer to create your own papers--I'm
sure that the durability depends on the paper and ink.  I have seen very
high quality linen and other fiber-rich acid-free paper become increasingly
available as laser-printable at the art supply stores, so I may have to try
this.

Now if only I could break into her house and steal her treasure trove of
fabulous fabric swatches that she supposedly acquired for next to nothing
at tag sales and thrift shops....   ;)

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:10:59 -0600
Subject: Re: Origami in Mad magazine, Guiseppe Baggi's sculptures

Kenny1414 wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> Apologies for bothering you with this, but I'm not
> ... very skilled ... at all kinds of  ...
>  of household tools and implements. ...
>
> At first I thought ... play money,
> ...  seems to be ... real ... USA, paper money.
>
> ... but I haven't been able to find my
> ... cat and ... I know I have more ... stuff.

Since many people have complained about quoting, an entire letter, just to ask
     a simple question,
I have edited out, the parts I don't need.  But in the interests of honesty, I
     have used
elipsis's to indicated the parts I left out.

>... type...
>... ----...
>... GB WS ...

Oh yeah... My question. What do all the abbreviations for type mean?

By the way if anyone is interested Mad magazine has it's own web page:
http://www.dccomics.com/mad/

Along with instructions for their own form of paperfolding:
http://www.dccomics.com/mad/library.html#fold

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:44:49 -0700 (
Subject: Business Card Sculptures

This may not qualify as origami but is biz card related.  Vicki Yee
noticed an ad in a SkyMall flight catalog for Business Card Sculptures
of golfers (male or female), fishermen, and skiers.  Just send 20 of
your flat biz cards plus US$46.95.  You can see a male golfer sculpture
on Personal Creations' web site at www.personalize.com under sports.
800# for a SkyMall catalog is 1-800-759-6255.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:39:41 -0400 (
Subject: Guisseppe Baggi

Many thanks to  Ken Kawamura for his posting which listed some of Baggi's
folds from "Mad."

Baggi was an extraordinary folder, entirely self-taught. Unfortunately, very
few of his folds have been diagrammed or published in the origami literature.

He was one of the great folders of that classic period during the early years
after the foundation of the OrigamiCemter in October 1958. One of the biggest
gaps in our knowlege of his period is a record of Baggi's folds and there is a
great need for his folds to be published. The listing of the folds in MAD goes
some way to filling this need.

Many are the stories told about Baggi and his visits to meetings at the
Origami Center. Lillian said that she used to insist that he took a bath
before coming to meetings! I understand that Origami USA has inherited from
Lillian boxes and boxes of Baggi's sopontaneous creations, all unanalysed and
undiagrammed. Where is the selfless person who will devote his/her life to
excavating this hidden seam of origami?

I, personally, shall be most grateful to receive further particulars of folds
by Baggi, details of his life and anecdotes about him.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: LuckySock <LuckySock@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:40:44 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Hand-drawn diagrams vs. computer-generated

Okay, I want off this list. How do I get off?





From: anne roberts <aroberts@FROGNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Fwd: Origami]

I thought this might be of interest to those folders who are also
teachers.


If you really want to have a stress free time - I would invest in the
paper.  It has to be cut accurately - or what a hard time (at least
while learning - once they feel better about it - try something else.)
I have used gift wrap (the cheaper the better).

For the demo - if you have an overhead - use sheets of waxed paper.  The
students can fold with you, the folds are easy to see (you can see
through several folds of waxed paper).
You may want to try 'patty paper' - the paper between hamburger patties.
Key Curriculum Press has it, one thousand sheets for $6.00.  I have used
it for geometry exploration, it may bee too small for a whole project,
but I would say you could practice folds with it.  (Their package of
oragami paper, 400 6" sheets, is $17.95)

Are you doing individual pieces, or unit oragami? That would make a
difference, too.
Ellen

> ----------
> From:         DaynaB62
> Sent:         Saturday, April 18, 1998 1:30 AM
> To:   artsednet@web.pub.getty.edu
> Subject:      Origami
>
> I want to teach Origami (for the first time!)  to my 3rd graders. Has
> anyone
> used paper other than traditional Origami paper?  It appears to be
> expensive
> and I have 125 students,,,, I know fadeless paper might work but
> that's pricey
> too,,,
>
> I was thinking of having the kids paint their own papers ...possibly
> in
> watercolors, but that would necessitate a thicker type of paper,,,
> would that
> work?  I considered chalks too,,, but messy for folding,,,, same for
> oil
> pastels.  Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks!!
> Dayna
>
