




From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:00:00 -0400
Subject: (NO) Prison and nice folders in harm's way

Wasn't Squeeky recently denied parole?  (thankfully)

I once wrote a letter to the editor of Co-Evolution Quarterly.  He
forwarded the letter to the writer of the column I'd written him about,
and in response I received an envelope full of anti-Semitic trash.   I
didn't know what was in the envelope when I opened it in front of my
mother, a holocaust survivor.

I later forwarded the stuff to an anti-hate organization, and they dealt
with the perp for me.  What a waste of perfectly good paper, huh?

By the way, I *really* appreciate the ongoing courtesy and focus of this
group, the folks on origami-l.    I have been on other lists that end up
being about one-up-manship.   Human beings on lists sometimes regress to
primate hierarchy building status, and I am so grateful that there's a
place like origami-l so full of nice people (folders!) who have a sense
of collegiality and, usually, non-competitive support.   I think the
origami in prison stories are an example.   Unfortunately, oftentimes
nice, well-meaning people don't think about how they might be putting
themselves "in harm's way" for an altruistic cause.    The mind just
doesn't see the danger.    I'm like that too.    Please, be careful.

Candice

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





From: Brian Cox <briancox@MB.SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:21:38 -0700
Subject: Origami in Prison ( long )

Rjlang wrote:
Sarah Wooden wrote:
>>>>Many years ago, as a naive college student (trad) I volunteered to do
crafts
at a regional correctional facility for teens...[negative experiences
deleted]...If anyone has been successful using origami in a situation
like
this [teaching origami in prison], please let me know (I haven't
*totally*
given up yet).
<<<<
>>>>Many years back I taught a series of origami classes at the California
Institute for Women, which is the quaint name for a maximum-security
state
prison (the remnants of Charles Manson's clan were somewhere on the
premises,
though not necessarily in my classes). In contrast to Sarah's unpleasant
experience, I found the inmates to be friendly, attentive, and one of the
best
audiences I've ever taught. Over a few weeks, we worked our way up from
simple
swans to Cerceda's peacock, which everyone successfully folded, and a
good
time was had by all.

So it depends on your audience. I wouldn't want to teach anything to a
room
full of juvenile delinquents, as Sarah attempted. But you can never tell
about
origami people. I corresponded for several years with an incarcerated
origami
devotee who is charming, eloquent, well-read, knowledgeable about
origami,
quite talented at folding, and is (allegedly) the most prolific serial
killer
in the history of California.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com
<<<<
Greeting to the group
I have worked with juvenile delinquents in a correctional facility for 24
years,  I have used
Origami  daily for the past 15 years with very good results. It's hard to
know where to
start. I do not need to explain the benefit but perhaps the method and
results. I do not sit
them down and teach. I just fold some thing and let the interested
gather. this way only the
ones that are interested gather. Once this has happened I do not teach
per say.This is a
living situation and I have many other things to do during the day or
evening shifts I have
many books that I have at work ( 20 plus ) and they all know that they
are my personal
books I sign them out to them and make them responsible for them. In 15
year I have lost
6 or 7 a few have been taken, a few destroyed.  I find that modular for
some is a good way
to start. I try to let them figure it out and only give hints or show a
specific fold. I involve
them in out side projects that they can send along with me i.e. When I
went to Wurzburg
Germany in May 97, I asked them if they would help me fold some cranes
for the 1000
crane mobile that I constructed ( they have participated in over 40 of
these mobiles ) I also
have had them fold large origami for convention displays i.e. 20 ft sq.
newsprint  for
Neales dragon with the head from Kasahara's Creative  Origami and 16 ft
sq. newsprint
for Montrolls Buffalo. Some times I pretend to become frustrated and ask
them to finish
the model or will leave an unfinished one in the book and when they
discover it they
usually bring it to me and I will tell them to finish it for me. I give
some away. Some
models are hanging up around the cottage.  I have worked with a wide
range of kids
between 12 -18 yrs. with all kinds of problems. FAS , special ed,
behavioral, to emotional

It's funny how neat their rooms become once they start folding. Perhaps
so that their
Origami does not get lost in the clutter The laundry also become quite
neatly folded Some
use models as toys and play games, others to decorate their rooms and all
give them to
moms and their workers. I do not supply the paper, they buy their own.
They give me the
money and I buy it for them. I do have a very small budget for those who
do not have the
money ( $ 50 ) a year.Also recycled paper themes The kids occasionally
make things for
other councilors and they put the money towards more paper for the
cottage as a donation.
Where I work there are 10 separate cottages 5 are remand waiting for
disposition and 5 are
custody. I work in the remand part with the 12 -15 yr olds. They can stay
with me
anywhere from a couple of hours to many months. A lot of repeaters. Many
continue to
fold once they have been sentenced and are allowed to come for a visit to
borrow book and
get paper. Many problems can arise that you have to keep an eye on i.e.
to many models in
their rooms so you have to set some guide lines and perhaps get some shoe
boxes for
storage. It is a great activity for room time. Theft or mistreatment of
paper is not a
problem  as this  will shut the program down. Most of the time they help
each other during
free time. I have also noticed that even when they spin out in their
rooms the Origami and
books rarely get distroyed. I think that this is due to the ownership of
the origami and the
books are a personal thing as opposed to and institutional thing.
I would be happy to relate my experiences should anyone  care to
correspond on this topic
For futher info on the things I am involved with I would offer folders
profile OUSA  The
Paper fall 96 and for the string figure people  the International String
Figure Assoc.
http://members.iquest.net/~webweavers/isfa.htm
check the conference link
Bio:   http://members.iquest.net/~webweavers/v3n1.htm
scroll down to yours truely
Here are a couple of other sites that I have a hand in with Origami,
string fiures, juggling
and magic
 Winnipeg Folk Fest
http://www.total.net/~wff/main.menu.html

http://www.total.net/~wff/family.area.html
I run this area and this year Jonathan Baxter from Charolette will be
returning. The site is
not updated for 98 but will give the idea.

Brian Cox
Winnipeg Canada





From: "Ken E. Martin" <mrmiraculous@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:50:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Prison Origami

Herman - Who was the serial killer origami man you were referring to?
Just curious.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 10:11 AM

>There is a lady I know in town who's been folding for at least 25
>years.  Several years ago from out of the blue she got a letter from
>someone in prison who wanted someone to correspond with on origami.
>It was a very nice and charming letter.  But when she saw who wrote
>it, she freaked out.  The writer was a very famous serial murderer.
>It had such a chilling effect on her that she immediately contacted
>all the origami organization she belonged to and got her name off
>all their membership lists.   Although I tried to assure her that
>there was absolutely no chance of him getting out, she still gets
>shaken by the experience just remembering it.
>
>I now realized she probably had the unspoken or subconscious
>assumption that he wrote only to her or, in a more frightening term,
>"targeting" her.  Now if only she knew that he was writing to
>everyone!
>
>Herman Lau





From: Patricia Restivo de Gallo <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:11:44 -0300
Subject: papers

Hi to all,

I need  papers (4x4) in differents tones of blue, brown, yellow, etc, for a
proyect. In  which  source of supply I can to find it?  Tell me in private
email.

Thanks
Happy Folding!!!

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: "Ken E. Martin" <mrmiraculous@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:34:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Prison Origami

Several years ago , I was hired to teach juggling in San Quentin. I went
there about 25 times. Everybody who took the class learned to juggle, and  a
couple got pretty good. This job was  back in 88 or 89 before I took up
origami. I remember the inmates getting a huge kick out of watching
sleight -of-hand magic tricks that I would perform for them occasionally.
As far as teaching jobs go, I think it was  the best.  The students were
rewarded  for good behavior the privilige  to take the class. It was a
popular class with a waiting list.  The inmates were  enthusiastic and
attentive. Before I went in, i was expecting more bloodthirsty maniac
stereotypes. I didn't ask them what they were in for, but mostly they were
murderers.
The gig payed pretty good, and It was a good learning experience. I would
prefer teaching maximum security inmates over most other teaching gigs any
day.
After learning origami, I  wondered how it would go over in prison , and I
figured  it would be well recieved. I may  do it someday; I just have to
learn how to teach origami better.
A couple years back, my friend Chris Palmer was looking for work , and I
suggested he  try  teaching origami at Soledad. He never got it together.
A lot of poeple are offended by the notion of arts programs in the prisons.
They think it is too much of a country-club atmosphere. Well,  San Quentin
is no country club.
Vending machine food is considered gourmet.  Tower guards will shoot to
kill anyone trying to run away.
Studies have shown a  greatly reduced recidivism rate among  arts program
participants.
Incidentally, Charles Manson was there  but he didn't take the art classes.
Everybody hated him.
Maybe  one of these days I will put together an origami program for  the
prisons.
If I do, I will not bring scissors. That would be a felony.
Ken

-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 10:11 AM

>There is a lady I know in town who's been folding for at least 25
>years.  Several years ago from out of the blue she got a letter from
>someone in prison who wanted someone to correspond with on origami.
>It was a very nice and charming letter.  But when she saw who wrote
>it, she freaked out.  The writer was a very famous serial murderer.
>It had such a chilling effect on her that she immediately contacted
>all the origami organization she belonged to and got her name off
>all their membership lists.   Although I tried to assure her that
>there was absolutely no chance of him getting out, she still gets
>shaken by the experience just remembering it.
>
>I now realized she probably had the unspoken or subconscious
>assumption that he wrote only to her or, in a more frightening term,
>"targeting" her.  Now if only she knew that he was writing to
>everyone!
>
>Herman Lau





From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@SIRIUS.COM>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:59:30 -0800
Subject: New Montroll Book

Wanted to report that when I stopped in the San Francisco Kinokuniya
bookstore yesterday, I found a new book by John Montroll. The book is:

Teach Yourself Origami
ISBN # 0-486-40141-3
Dover Publications
$9.95 in USA

While there are a quite a few new intermediate models in the 2nd half of
the book, the first half is really geared toward teaching origami methods
and terms to beginners. The book starts the reader off using simple
(re:traditional) models that teach mountain and valley folds to the more
sophisticated moves like sinks and double rabbit-ears.

At the end of the book (the final exam?) are several complex models, 3 by
Montroll (Deer, Elephant, and Bee), and 2 models by Fred Rohm that I hadn't
seen before - Fred's Impossible Vase and his Water Wheel.

Very nicely done, and a great way to get someone interested in Origami.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
San Francisco, CA                              -Jack Kerouac
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com

Check out the Pacific Coast Origami Conference Website at:
http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.html





From: JacAlArt <JacAlArt@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:06:05 -0400 (
Subject: JC Nolan's Clown Fish & Sea Anenome

HELP! How do you complete the sink in step 104 of JC Nolan's Clown Fish and
Sea Anenome? How do you sink the top part of the fish if those ipper layers
are trapped?!

~Alec





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:19:10 +0100
Subject: David Lister's archives at the BOS site

Following up a few suggestions for the BOS site, I've started a couple
of new items which focus on the talents & resources within the society;

highlights from back issues of British origami - one interesting topic
per magazine - I've started at #101 (and reached 102!) - if anyone wants
to type in their favourite article from any issue (ask me first before
doing the work to avoid duplication!) I'll be pleased to include it.

copies of David Listers messages to origami-l - there are 6 or so up &
more to come!

As ever, let me know if any links don't work ;(

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:52:19 -0700
Subject: Sighting - Thin Blue Line

In a "recent" (probably ancient rerun) episode of "Thin Blue Line", the
     character played by actor Rowan Atkinson tries to organize his police
     force by role-playing himself as a tree in the forest.  One of his team
     members puts an origami crane on his head





From: John Tobiasson <tobi@CENTURYINTER.NET>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:44:30 -0500
Subject: SF origami

Charles, is their going to be a 2nd origami conference?  Last year I
submitted my MORF FORMtm fold a form of precreased postcards.  Want some
samples? just send a usmail.  I am an exgripman living in the Ozarks.
tobi...

----------
> From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@SIRIUS.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: New Montroll Book
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 11:59 AM
>
> Wanted to report that when I stopped in the San Francisco Kinokuniya
> bookstore yesterday, I found a new book by John Montroll. The book is:
>
> Teach Yourself Origami
> ISBN # 0-486-40141-3
> Dover Publications
> $9.95 in USA
>
> While there are a quite a few new intermediate models in the 2nd half of
> the book, the first half is really geared toward teaching origami methods
> and terms to beginners. The book starts the reader off using simple
> (re:traditional) models that teach mountain and valley folds to the more
> sophisticated moves like sinks and double rabbit-ears.
>
> At the end of the book (the final exam?) are several complex models, 3 by
> Montroll (Deer, Elephant, and Bee), and 2 models by Fred Rohm that I
hadn't
> seen before - Fred's Impossible Vase and his Water Wheel.
>
> Very nicely done, and a great way to get someone interested in Origami.
>
>
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
> San Francisco, CA                              -Jack Kerouac
> mailto://knuffke@sirius.com
>
> Check out the Pacific Coast Origami Conference Website at:
> http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.html





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:48:20 -0700 (
Subject: Scanners and software

Hello!

I diagram my origami models completely by hand, reducing them on a
photocopier, and then pasting in the text that I have typed up on my
computer.  I want to continue doing the drawings by hand, but would like
to purchase a scanner and necessary software to help me with the
following tasks:

         1.  Stippling to indicate the "color side".
         2.  Adding the text.
         3.  Reducing the drawings.

I have listed the above tasks in the order of what task is most
important to me, the most important being listed first.  So please
answer my questions with that in mind:

         1. Is scanner software available that will let me do the some
or all of the  above mentioned tasks and if so, it's name.
Does the software come with the scanner?
         2. Do I need to buy additional software to do the above tasks
(especially the stippling) and please tell me the name of
that software. I am looking for software that will be
hopefully easy to use, if that is possible.
         3. Please also give me advice on what scanner to consider
purchasing.

Thank you!

                                   Marcia Joy Miller

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:25:39 -0400
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From: Jim Cauble <jimc@SESSIONWARE.COM>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:53:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Perfect Pentagons

        I know this is late, I'm finally getting around to reading my
emails

> OK! OK!  I admit it, my real imspiration wasn't Ian Harrison, it was
> the
> Disney flick, "Donald in Mathmagic Land"
>
        Speaking of Donald in Mathmagic Land, my math teacher last year
wanted to show us this, but didn't get the chance.  Does anyone know of
somewhere I could rent it?  Thanks. :)





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:26:23 -0300
Subject: need information

Hi to all,

First, thanks to Kim and Ariel.
Now, my son need for a proyect for school, all about a pirate ship,  and I
do not know in which book I can to find it. Exist a book of this subject,
that have since a ship (pirate), treasure, the hat of pirate,etc?
Tell me in private email.

Thanks.

Happy Folding!!!

Patricia Gallo

http://netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:22:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Scanners and software

Marcia Joy Miller asked about using scanners for origami
diagramming.  I recently did a LOT of this for my
newly published book (plug! plug!)  "Russian Origami".
Sergei Afonkin hand-drew all the diagrams, sent them
to me, and I had to scan them in, drop in the color
(to indicate the colored side of the paper), write the
text and do the layout (which included shrinking
down the images).  To see how well it worked, check the
book out!  (St. Martin's Press, ISBN 0-312-16993-0)

To do all this I bought the cheapest flatbed scanner
I could find: a Mustex MFS-8000SP.  (600dpi, cost $400 US)
This came with plug-ins (for Photoshop etc) as well as
Color-It software, which allows rudimentary image
editing (like stippling) and can save to various file
formats.  However, I found this software very limiting.
Further, it won't allow you to add text.

Thus I had to use Photoshop to touch up my images.  I also
used Adobe Streamline to turn the images into vector-based
objects.  (This was awesome, reducing the images in size by
a factor of 100, without compramising any image quality!)
But to add text and do the layout, I needed a desktop
publishing program.  I used QuarkEXpress for this
book, but I've used PageMaker in the past and that works
fine too.

So, IMHO (and I'm in no way affiliated with any of the
companies that make this software), you need some kind of
drawing and page layout program.  I'm sure there are
programs than can do it all, like the latest versions of
Freehand and Canvas, but you'll most likely need
some software in addition to whatever comes with the
scanner.

I hope that helps!

--- Tom "not a mathematician, but I play one on TV" Hull
    thull@merrimack.edu





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:25:37 -0400
Subject: Re: need information

>Now, my son need for a proyect for school, all about a pirate ship,  and I
>do not know in which book I can to find it. Exist a book of this subject,
>that have since a ship (pirate), treasure, the hat of pirate,etc?
>Tell me in private email.

Fantastic Origami: The Treasure Island by Yoshihide Momotani
ISBN 4-416-39611-2

All the designs in the book are based on the story and characters of the
book "Treasure Island" by R.L. Stevenson.  Models include:

Pirate Hat, Sailor's Cap, Cap, Boat A, Boat B, Pistol, Musket, Cutlass,
Saber, Anchors, Rulers and Compass, Pick, Silver's Staff, Sextant, Compass
Needle, Eared Seal, Seagull, Parrot, Flying Parrot, Dolphin, Chair, Table,
Schooner, Bottle or Rum, Captain's Coat, Barrel, Skeleton, Backbone, Finger
Bones, Pelvis, Fort, Toolbox, Characters from the story (Sailor, Mr,
Trelawney, Captain Smollet, John Silver).

Some models are from non-square paper, some are multi-piece.

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:40:28 +0100
Subject: Re: Scanners and software

Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM> sez

> 1. Is scanner software available that will let me do the some

Scanners usually come with 2 types of software - the bit that talks to
the scanner & a paint package to edit the results.

>         2. Do I need to buy additional software to do the above tasks

The "free" package is usually quite basic (although I got a copy of
photoshop deluxe with my Umax 610p) - you'll probably want a better
package.

I suggest you try Paint Shop Pro - (www.jasc.com, but found on almost
every free magazine CD) it's a shareware prog that does almost
everything you could wish for. If you want the full monty (and I come
from Sheffield) then invest in Photoshop - expensive but powerful.

>         3. Please also give me advice on what scanner to consider

My Umax is fine, but there's so much choice at the moment - compare the
scanning times since that's where you can save a lot of hanging around!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:04:21 -0400
Subject: Re: David Lister's archives at the BOS site

Nick Robinson wrote:

> copies of David Listers messages to origami-l - there are 6 or so up &
> more to come!
Thanks to David for permitting them to be used, and to Nick for
doing the work.

Thanks!
        -Doug
--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Richard Satin <libra@EXECPC.COM>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:27:59 -0700
Subject: Re: papers

Try Kim's Crane.

I think the web site is www.kimscrane.com

Great selection of papers.

Best wishes,
Richard Satin

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 4/10/98, at 9:11 PM, Patricia Restivo de Gallo  wrote:

>Hi to all,
>
>I need  papers (4x4) in differents tones of blue, brown, yellow, etc, for a
>proyect. In  which  source of supply I can to find it?  Tell me in private
>email.
>
>Thanks
>Happy Folding!!!
>
>Patricia Gallo
>
>http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: Rick Bissell <rick@TRIDELTA.COM>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:37:25 -0400
Subject: Klutz sighting
>Received: from sparcy.tridelta.com (root@sparcy.tridelta.com
 [192.160.168.222]) by tdi3.tridelta.com. (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA15514
 for <origami@mit.edu>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:34:20 -0400

Klutz(tm) sent out a "mini" spring catalog that includes a book on the
"fortune teller" (aka "cootie catcher").   The sighting is the cover of this
catalog.  It has a design that is meant to be cut out and folded into a
fortune teller.  My kids loved it.  Apparently the book has more of the
same.  They also have a new paper airplane book listed.

The usual disclaimers apply, but I am a fan of their products.

--Rick Bissell





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:58:47 -0600
Subject: Re: New Montroll Book

Charles Knuffke wrote:

> Wanted to report that when I stopped in the San Francisco Kinokuniya
> bookstore yesterday, I found a new book by John Montroll. The book is:
>
> Teach Yourself Origami
> ISBN # 0-486-40141-3
> Dover Publications
> $9.95 in USA

I Checked out all the usual websites.  I found Barnes & Nobles had it for
$7.96
But it was marked as not yet released

http://www.barnsandnobles.com/

This is a must have, if for nothing else but the Bee and the Waterwheel.
--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:42:07 -0400
Subject: Re: New Montroll Book

At 06:58 PM 4/13/98 -0600, Kim Best  wrote:
>
>This is a must have, if for nothing else but the Bee and the Waterwheel.
>--

Rohm's Waterwheel is incredible. I thought it was modular the first time I
saw the model. But it is NOT. And it works (spin under running water!) if
you got right kind of axle. Thanks Montroll for diagramming it out.

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:28:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami in Prison ( long )

On 01:21 PM 4/10/98 -0700, Brian Cox wrote:
...(snip)"I do not supply the paper, they buy their own.
They give me the money and I buy it for them. I do have a very small budget
for those who
do not have the money ( $ 50 ) a year."

Is there an address where additional donations can be sent?  I'd be
interested in donating paper or funds to this cause.

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@EIEE.UNIVALLE.EDU.CO>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:29:49 -0500
Subject: Peter Budai's email

Hello.
For those who wants to have email exchange with Peter Budai, here is his
email:
Peter Budai <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu>
He is finished a new book with excellent models, such a Chinese Dragon, a
catapult and a tree.

Jose Tomas





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:17:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Kangaroo Question

At 15:56 -0500 1998/04/14, Askinazi, Brett wrote:
>You might want to try wet folding it. Joseph's Page
><http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami> http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami  for
>detailed instructions.

That URL is out of date. I don't know how long they will continue to
forward to my new address. Anyway, try <http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca>
instead.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:37:11 -0500
Subject: Thank You Tom Hull!!!

This is a public thank you to Tom Hull for his "Origami Mathematics"
page.

Tom, Thank You!

I really like his "Five Intersecting Tetrahedra". My first try took
about a week, since I only got to work on it during long C++ compiles.

Here are some pictures:
http://www.groupworks.com/people/tomh/origami.html

Tom Hill
tomh@groupworks.com
http://www.groupworks.com/people/tomh





From: Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:46:35 -0500
Subject: Kangaroo Question

Hello all,

I've borrowed "Origami for the Connoisseur" from a friend, and I've made
a number of kangaroos. They're not perfect, but I'm getting better.

I have just one question, for anyone who's made this model before: My
kangaroo's legs splay out to the sides until she's falling on her face.
When I first make the model, it stands up fine, for about an hour or
two. Then the legs start to spread out to the sides. Over the course of
the next week, they get wider and wider, until the kangaroo eventually
won't hardly stand up any more. Has anyone else made this model
recently? And, if so, how do you make your kangaroo's legs stay close
enough together to hold your kangaroo up? I'm using typical cheap kami.
However, I've also tried really stiff, high quality, laser printer
paper.

I'm at a loss. I like the model, but I'm embarassed to display it
because it looks like my kangaroo is about to make a mess on the shelf.

Thanks

Tom Hill
tomh@groupworks.com





From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:42:38 -0400
Subject: April BOS issue -- serendipidydoodah

I finally joined BOS and received my first issue (April).   One of the things
inside was an origami puzzle ("Serendipidydoodah") created by Dave Mitchell that
required "lateral thinking" -- take two pieces of identical origami paper and
create a pattern consisting of a colored square with a smaller white square in
the center.  The white square has sides exactly one-third the length of the
larger square's sides.   The trick was to find the solution with the least
number of folds.

I worked on it for an hour and came up with a three-fold solution.  The three
fold solution then fell onto the floor and I "saw" the two-fold solution.

I decided this puzzle would be a wonderful way to teach my anthropology students
about paradigmatic thinking -- a good example of "thinking outside the box."
So on Monday I took stacks of origami paper to class and gave each pair of
students (37 in the class) two sheets of identical paper.   I wrote the problem
on the board and let them loose.   I watched students "stare" at the paper,
fold, think, argue, cooperate -- it was really neat.  Only one group got the
two-fold solution without prompting, and two others were able to move from a
three-fold solution to a two-fold solution after a few minutes.  The rest had
less parsimonious solutions.

The exercise was worthwhile.   I used it as an opportunity to talk about
paradigms, shifting perspectives, and the relationship between complexity and
simplicity in scientific models (Occam's Razor).   The solution -- so obvious
and simple once one "gets" it -- is a great example of how "more correct"
solutions often simplify seemingly complex problems.

Candice

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:56:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Kangaroo Question

You might want to try wet folding it.  Look on Nick Robinson's
<http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk/origami.html>
http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk/origami.html or Joseph's Page
<http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami> http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami  for
detailed instructions.

Basically wet the paper First, then fold the model you wish to fold.
After it dries the paper is stiffer and holds shape as well as or better
than Foil.

That is your other option, fold the model from paper backed foil.
Joseph's page also has instructions on back-coating.

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Tom Hill [mailto:tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM]
                Sent:   Tuesday, April 14, 1998 2:47 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Kangaroo Question

                And, if so, how do you make your kangaroo's legs stay
close
                enough together to hold your kangaroo up? I'm using
typical cheap kami.
                However, I've also tried really stiff, high quality,
laser printer
                paper.

                I'm at a loss. I like the model, but I'm embarassed to
display it
                because it looks like my kangaroo is about to make a
mess on the shelf.

                Thanks

                Tom Hill
                tomh@groupworks.com





From: Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:20:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Kangaroo Question

Hey all,

It's been pointed out to me that I forgot to mention that the Kangaroo in
"Origami for the Connoisseur" was designed by Peter Engel. So, be it hereby
known by all readers that the kangaroo in OFTC is a Peter Engel creation.
Furthermore, it's really COOL. Has anyone noticed that he manages to make
that square piece of paper have eleven corners (points)?

I wrote my original message three times before I actually sent it. In the
first version, Peter's name appeared in the subject line. So, I thought I
had mentioned his name. Sorry, Peter. Does Peter read this list?

Anyway, everyone is suggesting that I wet fold a kangaroo. I'm not sure I'm
ready for that, but I'll probably try it, because it sounds plausible. Wow,
wet folding. Anyone remember that movie where the master has the kid washing
walls, or waxing cars, or something for days on end? Before they get to the
actual karate stuff? I expected to hack along for years before I got to wet
folding.

Thanks everyone. As usual you are all exceedingly helpful and encouraging..

Peace,

Tom Hill
tomh@groupworks.com





From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:54:51 -0400 (
Subject: (NO) Practice (was Re: Kangaroo Question)

In a message dated 98-04-14 17:31:42 EDT, Tom Hill writes:

>
>  Anyway, everyone is suggesting that I wet fold a kangaroo. I'm not sure I'm
>  ready for that, but I'll probably try it, because it sounds plausible. Wow,
>  wet folding. Anyone remember that movie where the master has the kid
washing
>  walls, or waxing cars, or something for days on end? Before they get to the
>  actual karate stuff? I expected to hack along for years before I got to wet
>  folding.
>
---- recognition ----

Yep. I think it was "Karate Kid", with Pat Morita.
The master has a stable of vintage cars.
"Wax on. Wax off."

---- The External Method ----

If I remember right, this is one of two major methods of
Martial Arts training. I think this is the one called the
"External Method", as opposed to the "Internal Method".

The student isn't told the what-for and why of what
s/he is asked to do, and is discouraged from thinking
about it. If you look closely, the apparently
monotonous,   meaningless, repeated exercises are
actually carefully chosen. They build strength, increase
endurance, create useful reflexes, instill  discipline and
self-confidence, create either a resistance to or
tolerance for boredom, and maybe foster the Zen
type of active meditation. All done very subtly,
thru gradual change.

Also automatically weeds out students who aren't
equipped for the discipline, or aren't "ready" for
the next step.

---- the evils of Cognitive Dissonance ----

I think this does tend to instill reverence and/or
fanatical devotion by way of "cognitive dissonance",
tho. This is a "dark side" to teaching.

It's hard for a student to question the value of the
training method and the teachings, because the
alternative is to consider the possibility that
s/he has wasted all that time and effort.

That possibility is usually so horrible, that s/he
runs to the opposite extreme, past the point of
"Yes, I've gotten some results, I have learned
something useful, .", all the way out to "I have
experienced a miracle! I have learned the Truth,
by the One True Path..." etc., etc.

*sigh*.

It's no wonder there is so much mysticism and
rigid tradition accumulated around the Martial Arts.
It's easier to believe your master's talk of magical
energy (Chi, mana, etc.) rather than wonder what
else s/he might have been wrong about, and by
extension, think that what you know is wrong.

You can try to think "what you know _may be_
wrong", but your subconscious insists on taking
that as "what you know _is_ wrong", and
gets bent out of shape over the thought.

At the higher levels, Zen and similar disciplines
try to teach you to use what you think you know,
while still questioning everything, but that is tricky.

---- Practice! Practice! ----

You do need a little faith, to use the "External
Method" to learn a skill.

"Practice! Practice!" usually works, but you
have to stick to it long enough, and the belief
that it will work, can keep you practicing.

Doesn't mean it's the only way, nor that there
is only one set of exercises. Matter of fact,
a good teacher tailors the exercises to the
student, to try to build up the weak sub-skills.

And it isn't guaranteed, tho it has worked for
a lot of people.

Depends on the student's learning styles, too.

Some people learn best when they get stuck
trying to teach.

---- Satori ----

Zen Buddhism again: live in the moment,
examining it, to see what is happening,
rather than what you think is happening,
and learn, and enjoy.

---- Aloha ----

Kenneth Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:02:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Kangaroo Question

At 02:46 PM 4/14/98 -0500, Tom Hill wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I've borrowed "Origami for the Connoisseur" from a friend, and I've made
>a number of kangaroos. They're not perfect, but I'm getting better.
>
>I have just one question, for anyone who's made this model before: My
>kangaroo's legs splay out to the sides until she's falling on her face.

If you are not ready for wet-folding how about try other's design. There
are at least 4 other designs from squares which have joey attached:

* by Jun Maekawa: in Viva! Origami by Kasahara
* by E.G. Langridge: in Origami 2 by Robert Harbin
* by Patricia Crawford: in Creating Origami by J.C. Nolan
* by Myself: not published :-(

The truth is I had only (mine is an exception) folded Engel's design w/ sad
ending (as yours). I can't tell you which one lasts longer using regular
kami. You have to try it out. And those listed books are hard to find now.

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:38:05 +0200
Subject: Re: Kangaroo Question

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Tom Hill wrote:
> I have just one question, for anyone who's made this model before: My
> kangaroo's legs splay out to the sides until she's falling on her face.

There are of course more complicated methods like wet folding and <a
href="http://www.origami.net/homes/od/e/projects/foil-backing.html">
foil-backed paper</a>, but there may be a simpler solution.

Try adding a soft mountain-fold to each side of the body which runs from
the end of the arm to the base of the leg. This should be enough to keep
the legs in one line with the body.

It may even be enough to mountain-fold the back corner of the body a
few millimetres inside to attach the leg flap to the body.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:12:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Kangaroo Question

Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

> Try adding a soft mountain-fold to each side of the body which runs from
> the end of the arm to the base of the leg. This should be enough to keep
> the legs in one line with the body.

Wow! In the process, this mountain fold gives the kangaroo's body just enough
shape to become "three-d". It really adds to the realism. Kanga is now a
creature, instead of a bookmark! I guess this is where the "Art" part of
origami comes in, eh?

Thanks, Sebastian.

Well, folks, I've had my serendipidydoodah for today. I will be at peace for
the whole day. Keep folding until you get here. This is a great feeling.

Peace,
Tom Hill
tomh@groupworks.com





From: Craige Davis <cldavis@PERSON.NET>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:44:32 -0400
Subject: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson

Does anyone know the which book by Paul Jackson includes the dafodil?

thanks

Craige





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:37:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson

At 03:44 PM 4/15/98 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anyone know the which book by Paul Jackson includes the dafodil?

There is a daffodil model by Ted Normington in Step-by-Step Origami and
Papercraft by Paul Jackson.  The table of contents doesn't match the pages
and the top of each page is headed with "Classic Origami".  It actually
looks like they chopped up his book "Classic Origami" and retitled it.  It
might possibly be in both.

Sarah

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sarah Wooden                          So much paper, so little time...
sarah@fredart.com
http://www.fredart.com/sarah/





From: Daniel B Delgado <origami@GROVE.UFL.EDU>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:50:57 -0400
Subject: Sci-fi Origami

Does anyone know any good books or places to find origami of like say





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:01:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson

Sarah Wooden wrote:
> There is a daffodil model by Ted Normington in Step-by-Step Origami and
> Papercraft by Paul Jackson.  The table of contents doesn't match the pages
> and the top of each page is headed with "Classic Origami".  It actually
> looks like they chopped up his book "Classic Origami" and retitled it.  It
> might possibly be in both.

It was originally published in Jackson's "Classic Origami" which seems to be
out of print in the USA, but still available in the UK, elsewhere, I don't
know.  The US publisher has hacked up Classic Origami and a Vivien Frank paper
arts book and recombined them at least twice.  Check the origami email archives
for the gory details.

Why Paul Jackson and Gay Merrill Gross' books are put through these reissues
and re-reissues baffles me, but then I don't have the publisher mindset.  I'm
just glad it doesn't happen with everything, and sad when it does happen.

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:13:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson

Check "Classic Origami". My hardcover copy is published by Mallard
or Crescent, I'm not sure (could check at home for the publisher & ISBN).

        Sincerely,
        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:57:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Sci-fi Origami

Well (chest puffs up), you could always check out my B-Wing, in the archives,
or at:

 http://www.spd.louisville.edu/~jbraas01/origami/

Let me know what you think of it.

Thanks,
J.B. Raasch





From: John Smith <jon.pure@PASTON.CO.UK>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:15:27 +0100
Subject: Trick Origami

I would like to recommend Trick Origami by Yoshihide Momotani, published in
an English Version by Japan Publications, ISBN 0-87040-929-8.  I made a
mistake at the BOS convention this month in Birmingham and bought a second
copy. At least this led me to a much closer study of its contents. It is
full of enchanting tricks and ways of using simple Origami. Thus we have
flower buds that open when they are sprayed with water. A modular magic box
in which money can be made to disappear. How to fold a 10second crane and
much much more.

Momotani is, I feel , one of the least well known of the great Japanese
creators, which is a great pity. His range is immense, 20 years ago he was
showing tesselations which would stand comparison with almost any of todays
work. His masks and faces are remarkable. His temples are I think well
known. But in this book he is showing yet another facet of his remarkable
creativity and range of ideas.

John Smith
Norwich
UK





From: Craige Davis <cldavis@PERSON.NET>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:02:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Sci Fi origami

Hi, friends. Thanks for all your help with the dafodil.   Now for the quest
to find Jackson's book.   However, regarding the friend who was asking
about the X-wing fighter, there is one at this site--->
http://mirage.ifqsc.sc.usp.br/rh/origami.html  .
If this works for you, click on Otras Modelas.  This site is in Spanish but
the instructions seem very simple.

                                        Hope this helps.

                                        Craige Davis
                                        cldavis@person.net





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:00:39 +0100
Subject: Daffodil by Ted Norminton!

Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM> sez

>There is a daffodil model by Ted Normington in Step-by-Step Origami and
>Papercraft by Paul Jackson.

Tlaking of whom, I met Ted at the recent convention. Although confined
to a wheelchair due to permanant back problems, he looked as well as
I've ever seen him. Hopefully Robin Maceys photo of him will appear in
the BO mag so you can all see what a "Sailor Sam" he's turned into!

I told him of the unceasing appreaciation of his folds & he was well
chuffed.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:47:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson

This Model is in

 "Step By Step Origami & Paper Craft"
ISBN#0-7858-0545-1
Author Paul Jackson
Publisher Chartwell Books Inc.

Good Luck!  I tried this one and was not successful.  It was just
discussed At my club meeting this evening and we all agreed it was hard.

Judy

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From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:32:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Sci Fi origami

>>From owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Thu Apr 16 08:01 EST 1998
>>From: Craige Davis <cldavis@PERSON.NET>
>>
>>http://mirage.ifqsc.sc.usp.br/rh/origami.html  .
>>If this works for you, click on Otras Modelas.  This site is in Spanish but
>>the instructions seem very simple.

Hate to be picky, but...
This site is in Brazil, and it's written in PORTUGUESE! By the way,
you should click "Outros Modelos" ("Otros modelos" in Spanish).

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
                furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:21:04 +0200
Subject: Squash and assymetrical squash: heeeeeeeeelpppppp

Does anyone have ( or know where to find on the net) a GIF file or BMP, or
ANIMATED GIF, or AVI, in short: **anything** that explains how to perform a
squash and an assymetrical squash ?

Something if possible VERY clear, with 3-d drawings..something..say...
"retarded-proof".

Herzlichen Danke / Gracias / Tack / kiitos /Obrigado/,etc,etc,etc

( a desperate amateur folder getting gray hair at a fast rate)





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:56:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson
Judy D Pagnusat wrote:

> Good Luck!  I tried this one and was not successful.  It was just
> discussed At my club meeting this evening and we all agreed it was hard.

Judy,
        That is not a trivial model, for sure.  I think half of the "problem" is
getting past the step with the sink.  I didn't even want to try that model
until I saw the result folded by a co-worker (and fellow folder)!  If you start
with a 10 "inch" square, you will get a very life sized flower, but you might
find it easier to start with a larger square to give your fingers a bit of room
in the final steps.  Once I had folded it a few times I found the mental
barrier was down and it was quite an easy (though not quick) model.  The only
advice on the sink which I can give is that if you pre-crease carefully and
accurately you should do fine.
                        -D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Richard Satin <libra@EXECPC.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:27:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Sci Fi origami

Oi Carlos,

Tudo bem?

I also wanted to say something about his Spanish remark, but you beat me to the
     punch!

A fellow folder in Washington, DC,
Richard

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 4/16/98, at 10:32 AM, Carlos Alberto Furuti  wrote:

>>>From owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Thu Apr 16 08:01 EST 1998
>>>From: Craige Davis <cldavis@PERSON.NET>
>>>
>>>http://mirage.ifqsc.sc.usp.br/rh/origami.html  .
>>>If this works for you, click on Otras Modelas.  This site is in Spanish but
>>>the instructions seem very simple.
>
>Hate to be picky, but...
>This site is in Brazil, and it's written in PORTUGUESE! By the way,
>you should click "Outros Modelos" ("Otros modelos" in Spanish).
>
>        Sincerely,
>                Carlos
>                furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: PErick3491 <PErick3491@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:30:55 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Dafodil:by Paul Jackson

The daffodil is in Jackson's book, The Complete Origami Course.  It, the
daffodil, can be difficult.  I have about a 50% success rate.  Pat





From: PErick3491 <PErick3491@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:35:56 -0400 (
Subject: daffodil

Sorry about saying the daffodil was in Complete Origami.  The memory goes bad
with age! Pat





From: "Brian D. Goad" <bbbco@MAILEXCITE.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:54:29 -0700
Subject: What program do you use to make diagrams?

I got a question for you guys who make origami diagrams. i have a few projects
 that
i would like to diagram and need to know the best software to use. reply to me
 at
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From: David Foulds <fe320473@CR10M.STAFFS.AC.UK>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:22:14 +0100
Subject: Adobe proposes vector graphics markup language

Hi everyone,

I just saw this news story on ZDNET news:

    http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/ns-4192.html

>>
Adobe has submitted a proposal for a vector graphics language to the
World Wide Web Consortium.

The PGML (Precision Graphics Markup Language) proposal was submitted
to the standards-making body earlier this week by Adobe, along with
IBM , Netscape and Sun Microsystems . PGML is a two-dimensional
graphics language for controlling layout, fonts, color and printing.

The specification would be compatible with drawing and illustration
programs and enable graphic artists to export vector graphics to the
Web while retaining image quality.

Adobe said PGML would provide users with faster downloads, better
graphics interaction, resolution-independent printing and "zoom"
effects without plug-ins.

PGML, which is based on Adobe's PostScript and Portable Document
Format technologies, would also be compatible with eXtensible Markup
Language, Cascading Style Sheets and Document Object Model.
<<

The text of the PGML submission is on the W3C site at:

    http://www.w3.org/Submission/1998/06/

I think this could prove very interesting for alternative publishing
methods for diagrams, especially the "zoom" effects it mentions.

What do other people think?

Dave

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From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:50:21 +0200
Subject: origami mpeg

For those of you with a lot of bandwidth in their internet access and the
personality of a collectionist ..there is an mpeg video ( about 3 megabytes)
showing an origami dinosaur fighting an origami pterodachtyl ( or whatever
it is spelled).

It can be found here:

http://www.tc.cornell.edu/Visualization/contrib/cs418-sp94/cs418.html

cheers,

Ariel





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:16:44 +0200
Subject: origami mpeg

For those of you with a lot of bandwidth in their internet access and who
like to collect origami-related stuff ..there is an mpeg video ( about 3
megabytes)
showing an origami dinosaur fighting an origami pterodachtyl ( or whatever
it is spelled).

It can be found here:

http://www.tc.cornell.edu/Visualization/contrib/cs418-sp94/cs418.html

cheers,

Ariel





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:41:57 -0700
Subject: Re: What program do you use to make diagrams?

At 14:54 -0700 1998/04/16, Brian D. Goad wrote:
>I got a question for you guys who make origami diagrams. i have a few projects
> that
>i would like to diagram and need to know the best software to use. reply to me
> at
>bbbco@mailexcite.com

This topic seems to come up every now and then. The current favourite
appears to be Freehand (especially amongst Mac users) with CorelDraw
running a distant second. Other programs in use include Canvas,
Illustrator, Visio, and OriDraw. I use CorelDraw, but after attending
Macromedia's products show yesterday, I'm seriously thinking of getting
Freehand 8. It's a thing of beauty. 8)

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From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:45:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Sci-fi Origami

At 04:50 PM 98-04-15 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know any good books or places to find origami of like say
>x-wings and tie fighters, startrek, etc...?
>

If you do, let me know as well!!!

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net
