




From: Ruth Segoviano <rsegovia@IX.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:44:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Deltoids

Hi Patricia

"letras flxicas" could be translated as "folded Letters", as well as
-flxicas- is the second part of the spanish word for Origami,
"Papiroflexia", that comes from greek papyrus -paper- and flexia -fold-.
The compound of Solrzano is only a play upon words.

Jose Luis Alonso

Gallo P & H wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Recently I found a booklet about "papiroflexia" by Dr. Solrzano Sagredo
> (1945), He explain the fold of all letters and numbers, and in one part the
> explanation said: "letras flxicas", I need to know what are "letters
> flexicas".
> I do not know which is the translation of "flxicas". Any of you know about
> this?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Happy Folding
>
> Patricia Gallo
>
> http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:39:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Deltoids

Patricia,
At 16.10 5/4/1998 -0300, you wrote:

>I do not know which is the translation of "flxicas". Any of you know about
>this?

I don't know what are "letras flxicas", but Solorzano uses this term
elsewhere in his books. I have his big two-volume work "Papiroflexia
zoomorfica", and there he names "corte flxico" a cut which is not made by
scissors, but by sliding a knife between two layers of paper which has been
previously folded, so as to separate them (and get, for instance, two points
out of one). This the only kind of cut he allows in his models.

Roberto
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From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:09:30 -0400
Subject: Easy Maximum Pentagon

     I have previously reported an easy way of folding the pentagon, using
Ian Harrison's double 3x4x5 triangles.  I worked out an easy and
straightforward method of folding the pentagon, which produces excellent
results even though both tdhe length of the sides and the angle between the
pair are approximate.  The diagram can be found in pdf format at
http://idt.net/~kittyv  .  Since then I have found that Kunihiko Kasahara
reports on pages 72 and 73 if Origami Omnibus on using a similar approach
as a useful approximation.  He finds the 3 x 4 x 5 triangle by first
folding the diagonal of a half a square and the triangle that hangs over
the side, which turns out to be the same as Haga's.  However, Kasahara
suggests a 1 mm shift of one of the lines, which seems to me to be
unnecessary, and furthermore does not give the steps in achieving the
pentagon, which is positioned just as I have worked it out.  He was
discussing the folding of the golden rectangle and may have been confused
the true and estimated length of the side of the pentagon.
     I asked Roberto Morassi if he had any explanation of why the method
worked so well when both the length of the sides and the angle between them
were approximate in the direction of being smaller than they should be.  He
replied"
"The only explanation could be that the thickness of paper balances in some
way the inaccuracy of the angle and sides. Anyway, well done ! Many thanks."
This appears to me to be the logical answer.  I examined the creases and
all of them run from the corner through the center and are fairly well
distributed.  One can well imagine that the angles and the edges are
smaller  by the amount taken up by the creases  If this is so opening up
the creases may show some discrepancies, such as the sides not meeting at
the edges.  However, if one is to use the same pentagon for folding the
bird base, for example, we would not have to facd the problem.  Also, we
have all experienced inaccuracy in folding, with edges not meeting when
they are expected to, and perhaps we need to live with the inherent
inaccuracies in folding.  James M. Sakoda





From: "Ken E. Martin" <mrmiraculous@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:18:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Crappy Models

That happens to me a lot  as well. I have found it best to give it away
immediately. It might make their day. I wouldn't point out the flaws unless
they asked me to critique it.
If they are that excited about origami, they would probably enjoy seeing a
couple  super-cool perfect models that I carry along with my origami paper.
Now they know I don't always rip the paper and crumple it.
Besides, what else would I do with a model i didn't like?: Toss  it in the
garbage , or leave it on the table for somebody else.

-----Original Message-----
Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 2:40 PM

>Something happens to me all the time. Does it happen to you? What do you
>do?
>
>I fold a lot in public and people frequently come up to me and say "WOW -
>WAY COOL MAN" (or something like that). My first thought is, "great, give
>it to him". My next thought is, "oh dear, what now - this is a practice
>model, the feet are crunkeled like spit wads, there is a 1'2" rip in the
>beak, I wouldn't give this to my worst enemy". Then comes the confusion, I
>think "but hey, they really like it - so give it to them, but what if
>someone else sees it - it is crap".
>If I know the person and have time I say something like, "that's not really
>too good, let me make you another one". But I never know what to do when
>it's a stranger.
>
>If this happens to you - how do you handle it?
>
>Jeff Kerwood
>jkerwood@usaor.net





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:17:00 -0400 (
Subject: BOS convention

>Valerie!  BTW, there were dozens of requests for diagrams [of the rose cube]

And?  Any chance we'll get them?





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:28:55 +0100
Subject: BOS convention

Just wanted to  be the first (?) to say what a great weekend I've just
had in Birmingham at the BOS convention. Aside form meeting Florence
Temko, I got to learn the superb "Rose Cube" - this was the undoubted
hit of the weekend & has really fired me up again for creating. Thanks
Valerie!  BTW, there were dozens of requests for diagrams....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
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From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:23:01 -0400
Subject: list of books

This weekend I visited a local bookstore that I have often
recommended as a good place to purchase origami books.
Sad to say, their shelf space for origami has shrunk from
over two full shelves to less than half of one. (New England
Mobile Book Fair, for those of you in the Boston area) I had
noticed that their stock was smaller than usual the last few
times I was there, and others in the area had mentioned
noticing the same thing.

So I took action by mentioning my dismay to the clerk when
paying for _Russian Origami_ & a lot of remaindered science
fiction. Of course, my complaint got thrown back at me as
a request:

"We don't have anyone here who does origami, so we don't
know what books are good. If you could provide us with a list
that we could order from, we would love to do that."

So, my question is, does someone already have an annotated
list of books in print? Should I start with OUSA's list? Is there
a better place to start?

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

I *love* the modular stars in _Russian Origami_---easy to fold
AND easy to put together!





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:06:28 -0800
Subject: Re: Magic Rose Cube

At 12:04 -0400 1998/4/06, Valerie Vann wrote:
>I'm hoping to arrange for some time off in the next
>4-6 weeks and get the diagrams for my Magic Rose Cube
>finished. Meantime, it is still a matter of finding
>someone in your area to teach you how to make it.
>(This should be getting easier & easier to do ;-)

Or you could have someone leave behind two of them when they come to visit
(thanks, Phillip!) and then reverse engineer it. Very nice model, Valerie!

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:13:41 -0800
Subject: Re: Why no glossies?

At 21:46 -0800 1998/4/03, mSaliers wrote:
>This is an opportunity for me to vent my ongoing disappointment with the
>state of Origami periodicals.  Every hobby, every craft, every
>Johnny-come-philately has its own full color glossy magazines.  Friends
>that collect trains, own kittens,throw clay, run, bike, shower frequently,
>or merely watch TV can all subscribe to high-quality publications matching
>their interests.  But here in the US, at least as far as I know, there
>isn't a single real magazine to help build and share interest.  We've got
>the OUSA publication, but ... [lengthy comments omitted].  The best thing
>we've got going is Jeremy's little newsletter, but I wonder how long he'll
>be able to keep that up?
>
>Does anyone else feel this frustration?

Why feel frustrated? Start one yourself!

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:35:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Conference advice? NC?? MORE INFO PLEASE

>>I want to get my feet wet conference-wise as soon as possible.
>>I have read that the Southeastern conference, the one in North Caro-
>>lina?, is usually quite impressive and good, and since it is at
>>the end of September this year, I think it will fit in well with
>>my schedule. May I ask if you think this is an appropriate one to
>>start off at? Or is it too overloaded with excellent people who
>>prefer to deal primarily with their own kind (other equally ex-
>>cellent people)?

At 09:05 -0600 1998/4/04, Carole Young wrote:
>I am new to conferences as well.  Tell me more about the NC one.  Date,
>where, contact, etc.  This is one I can get to.

The SEOF is not a "conference" per se, but, as the name suggests a
festival. The focus is different. The festival celebrates origami and
brings it to the community. Conferences, especially the one in New York, is
about origami enthusiasts getting together to learn from each other, to
talk shop, and to show off. However, neither is "overloaded with excellent
people who prefer to deal primarily with their own kind". There's something
for folders of every level at both types of events.

Specifics:
Sept. 22 to 27, 1998
Charlotte, North Carolina
Jonathan Baxter is the organizer, but I don't have his contact info handy.
You can try asking Norm Budnitz <nbudnitz@duke.edu> for details.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:44:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] RE: International Money Orders

At 22:23 -0400 1998/04/05, Robert Allan Schwartz wrote:
>In this country, mayonnaise is sold in glass jars. In other countries, it
>is sold in metal squeeze tubes, like what toothpaste comes in here. I guess
>this is a combination of technical reasons and cultural reasons, I don't
>know for sure.

And in Japan, it's sold in plastic squeeze bottles. And they put it on
EVERYTHING. Ever had a tuna fish pizza with mayo?

>How do vegetables and eggs stay fresh in vending machines?

I dunno. I was never Japanese enough to use one of those things. The only
vending machines I used were the ones that sold drinks.

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From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:04:56 -0400
Subject: Magic Rose Cube

Everybody:

I'm hoping to arrange for some time off in the next
4-6 weeks and get the diagrams for my Magic Rose Cube
finished. Meantime, it is still a matter of finding
someone in your area to teach you how to make it.
(This should be getting easier & easier to do ;-)

Valerie Vann





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:06:41 -0400
Subject: BOS convention

BTW, Nick, who was teaching my "Magic Rose Cube"
at BOS?

Valerie





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:14:25 -0400
Subject: list of books

Well, it might be sort of dirty pool (and you
probably shouldn't copy it verbatim), but if
you check amazon.com's "home & garden" section,
then "crafts", then "origami", they've got a
list of their top 25 (50?) best sellers. Some
of these are trivial, but Kenneway, Fuse, Brill,
Lang, Montroll, Biddle, et al. are listed, plus
a selection of Temko, airplane and children's
origami books, all currently in print. You could
add in a few more of your own favorites, I'm sure.

Would make a good "core" selection for a small
bookseller, and get them pointed toward the
major publishers.

Valerie Vann





From: "D.G Kent" <dg_kent@CONKNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:57:39 -0500
Subject: Folders In Ireland

  Am making a first visit to Ireland in the middle of April. Are there any
folders on this list living there? Thank you- B. Kent from NH





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:53:48 -0700
Subject: Tyvek

For those on the list who were interested in seeing and/or folding
Tvyvek...

I just noticed that on the side of a US Post Office Priority Mail
Envelope that was delivered today, the word "Tyvek" appears alongside
"25% Post Consumer Content".

Dorothy

FoldingCA@webtv.net





From: Boseditor <Boseditor@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:00:38 -0400 (
Subject: Perfect Pentagons

Still recovering from the BOS convention ....

I've relayed all the interesting messages folks have posted here to Ian
Harrison - so if he gets in touch with you privately that's how he knows.

Just thought I'd explain the thinking behind publishing Ian's original article
in the BOS mag. It wasn't about perfect pentagons but about ways of creating
pentagonal angles - the idea being to do a quick (and not complete) survey of
the methods various creators have used in the past. There were several points
to this:

Most of us are not 'maths dudes' - Ian works for the Mathematics Department of
the Open University here - and so wouldn't be able to work out for ourselves
whether a particular construction was accurate or not. I personally have often
looked at Tomoko's pentagonal constructions and wondered where the angles came
from. Now I know.

Most modular folders have favourite constructions, but sometimes they just
won't work for what you want to design. It's good to have a choice of other
methods available. That way there's a fair chance of getting the paper
organised right.

If you analyse something there's a chance you can improve it. BOS members who
have got their April mag will know that it includes Ian's improved module for
an outline dodecahedron. As far as the angles are concerned it's a great
improvement on the one I included in Mathematical Origami last year - though
it isn't as easy to fold or put together.

Swings and roundabouts, I guess. I'd probably use Ian's improved method to
fold one myself - but the original to teach to a beginner.

Dave Mitchell.





From: PErick3491 <PErick3491@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:14:16 -0400 (
Subject: sighting

Finally, I can send a message that isn't a plea for help.  For those who like
origami, cats and mystery stories, Lillian Braun's recent novel, " The Cat Who
Tailed A Thief", has a minor character who is taking a class in origami at the
local community college.  I was really expecting to find a folded cat somehow
involved in the solution, but no.  Just one brief mention.  Anyone on this
list into writing mystery stories?  You'd make at least four or five hundred
sales!





From: Bill Walker <origami@KREATIVE.NET>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 06:19:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Which: Convention or Festival

Joseph Wu wrote:
>Conferences, especially the one in New York, is
>about origami enthusiasts getting together to
>learn from each other, to talk shop, and to show off.
>However, neither is "overloaded with excellent
>people who prefer to deal primarily with their own kind".

Good heavens, no offense was meant with this expression. I guess I
$BUv (Be
been in Japan too long--the concept that people who don $BUt (B know
a lot
about something should be able to consort easily with people who do,
doesn $BUt (B occur to most people over here. In any case I consider
the
Japanese  $BRm (Binaraitradition--sitting back and learning by
observation
instead of being active and asking a lot of questions--to be an
appro-
priate policy in a number of situations.

But, anyway. Thank you, Joseph, for the clarification on the
conference/
festival difference. I did notice that procedures, etc., for the
event in
North Carolina were somewhat different, and am pleased to have a
nice,
25-words-or-less explanation!

I am also grateful to the people who contacted me off-list with
advice
and encouragement. They all advised that I go to New York, and that
would be my first choice, but June is probably not going to be
possible
for me (it $BUs (B the middle of the first semester). However,
something
might work out.

Right now, I $BUm (B concentrating on improving my folding, and on
finding
more ways to fit origami into my classes!

Deborah Foreman-Takano
dforeman@mail.doshisha.ac.jp

 Thank you for your insight!  When I sent my message out several
weeks ago regarding which convention or festival I should attend,
the comeback was quite different.  All the comments I received
directed me to attend Jonathan Baxter's Festival in North Carolina
with lengthy comments explaining to me why (all privately sent).  Go
Figure!!!!!

Bill Walker





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:41:13 -1000
Subject: Re: [NO] RE: International Money Orders

There's been a lot of academic discussion about why Japan doesn't have
credit card use available to us international people...how about someone
very politely make a simple inquiry as to Tanteidan's use?  Perhaps a
seed planted will grow in the future.  Aloha, Jan





From: Deborah Foreman-Takano <dforeman@MAIL.DOSHISHA.AC.JP>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:17:15 +0900
Subject: Re: Conference advice

Joseph Wu wrote:
>Conferences, especially the one in New York, is
>about origami enthusiasts getting together to
>learn from each other, to talk shop, and to show off.
>However, neither is "overloaded with excellent
>people who prefer to deal primarily with their own kind".

Good heavens, no offense was meant with this expression. I guess I $BUv (Be
been in Japan too long--the concept that people who don $BUt (B know a lot
about something should be able to consort easily with people who do,
doesn $BUt (B occur to most people over here. In any case I consider the
Japanese  $BRm (Binaraitradition--sitting back and learning by observation
instead of being active and asking a lot of questions--to be an appro-
priate policy in a number of situations.

But, anyway. Thank you, Joseph, for the clarification on the conference/
festival difference. I did notice that procedures, etc., for the event in
North Carolina were somewhat different, and am pleased to have a nice,
25-words-or-less explanation!

I am also grateful to the people who contacted me off-list with advice
and encouragement. They all advised that I go to New York, and that
would be my first choice, but June is probably not going to be possible
for me (it $BUs (B the middle of the first semester). However, something
might work out.

Right now, I $BUm (B concentrating on improving my folding, and on finding
more ways to fit origami into my classes!

Deborah Foreman-Takano
dforeman@mail.doshisha.ac.jp





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:02:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Which: Convention or Festival
Bill Walker wrote:
> directed me to attend Jonathan Baxter's Festival in North Carolina
> with lengthy comments explaining to me why (all privately sent).  Go
> Figure!!!!!

Well, it depends on who saw the messages, and when!

My addenda to Joseph's message.

OUSA:  The convention is for the attendees' benefit.
I am fairly active in local origami events (Pittsburgh, PA, USA,
Earth, for the curious), so I go to the OUSA convention for selfish
reasons... to indulge myself... to immerse in a swarming hive of
paper folding, paper loving people, some of whom are even more
fanatical about origami than I am! ...  taking an afternoon to visit
paper/art/bookstores in NYC... to recharge my origami enthusiasm
batteries...  the energy level, excitement, etc. is enough to
electrify me for weeks afterwards and keeps me humming until the
next year.
NOTE: These conventions are run by volunteers.  I have done some of
my part, helping out a little at the OUSA main office, teaching,
etc.  The folks who put this on are doing it out of their love of
origami and the joy at being able to create such an event, not the
money 'cause they ain't getting much, if any!

SEOF:  Is an outreach kinda program for the local community.
...though I understand it also has convention like classes, etc. for
the antendee's benefit too.  I think that is a great idea for
Jonathan and that area.  As someone several orders of magnitude less
gregarious than Jonathan, and as someone who wishes to spread
origami in my own community, I'm not tempted by SEOF.

Both are run by volunteers, so don't go expecting hotel level
service... the person behind the table is just another origami lover
who is volunteering their time to make the event happen.  You can
get tired and worn out and cranky... and so can they.  While cutting
is often frowned on in origami, "cutting some slack" for your fellow
attendees and especially the volunteers is highly encouraged.

[As you can tell, my personal bias is towards the OUSA convention,
but that shouldn't be construed as discouraging anyone interested in
SEOF.]

Your mileage _will_ vary.

-D'gou

--
end
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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:47:52 +0100
Subject: Re: BOS convention

Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM> sez

>BTW, Nick, who was teaching my "Magic Rose Cube"
>at BOS?

Rick Beech, amongst others!  You've certainly come up with a classic
there, chuck!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:19:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Triogami

At 16:16 -0500 1998/04/07, DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD wrote:
>Opened out, it's a ring of 16 right triangles, oriented so that alternate
>triangles have their largest side (opposite the right triangle) on opposite
>edges of the ring (and thus making the band a uniform width).  It's set up
>such that one can make a mountain fold (and only a mountain fold) along the
>junction between any two adjacent triangles.  By careful folding, many
>different shapes can be evoked.

This thing was also featured at the BOS convention in York last year. I
don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet (and I'm too lazy to check right
now). The BOS one has the BOS logo printed on it so that it shows when it's
a square. There's no copyright/patent info printed on it anywhere. As I
recall, I paid 2 pounds for mine...about US$3.25. I now use it as a coaster
at work. 8)

>Now, as regards the trademark, is this little beauty reserved, or can I
>make versions and give them to people?  It seems too simple for someone to
>have just invented it...

Well, simple or not, SOMEONE had to have come up with it first. However, if
someone takes out a patent, then they've got it wrapped up. It's not a
copyright issue, but a patent issue.

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From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:33:52 +0100
Subject: Re: BOS convention - Rose teaching

> BTW, Nick, who was teaching my "Magic Rose Cube"
> at BOS?

The rose was taught by Rick Beech. I think he had learnt it from
Larry Hart. I don't know how Larry came to learn. I love the concept
of personal teaching, a bit like the teaching of wisdom by the ancients,
and I think it's wonderful that Valerie's model has encouraged us all
to seek this type of teaching. It helps us to value teachers of all
types.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)

PS I'm hoping to take the rose to Brazil in a few hours!





From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:16:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Triogami

>>I don't know where mine was purchased, but here's the info that's
>>printed on the package:
>>
>>TRIOGAMI (tm) is a trademark of
>>Karl's Industrial Design (KID) inc.
>>Peekskill, NY  10566
>>
>>Lisa
>>Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
>
>I just purchased Triogami, for $18.95, at the gift shop of the Boston
>Museum of Science.
>
>Robert

I meant to post on this myself, but got distracted.  We have one of these
in the lab, a promotional item from a drug/chemical company (with a line
about "Putting the pieces together" or something).  I thought it was
amazingly cool, so I duplicated it in paper (actually, cardboard).

Opened out, it's a ring of 16 right triangles, oriented so that alternate
triangles have their largest side (opposite the right triangle) on opposite
edges of the ring (and thus making the band a uniform width).  It's set up
such that one can make a mountain fold (and only a mountain fold) along the
junction between any two adjacent triangles.  By careful folding, many
different shapes can be evoked.

Overall, the resulting shapes remind me a lot of tangrams, so I was calling
it a "tan-ring"

Now, as regards the trademark, is this little beauty reserved, or can I
make versions and give them to people?  It seems too simple for someone to
have just invented it...

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:32:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Triogami

Kevin Kinney asked:

>Now, as regards the trademark, is this little beauty reserved,
>or can I make versions and give them to people?  It seems too simple
>for someone to have just invented it...

The Triogami package says "US and foreign patents pending."
There are others around who know better than I do what that means
about whether you can *sell* your creations. Can't see as how
anyone can (would bother to) stop you from giving them away
unless you made an awful lot of them.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Jeff Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:37:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Triogami

Has anyone found a picture of this product on the net anywhere?

DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD wrote:
>
> >>I don't know where mine was purchased, but here's the info that's
> >>printed on the package:
> >>
> >>TRIOGAMI (tm) is a trademark of
> >>Karl's Industrial Design (KID) inc.
> >>Peekskill, NY  10566
> >>
> >>Lisa
> >>Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
> >
> >I just purchased Triogami, for $18.95, at the gift shop of the Boston
> >Museum of Science.
> >
> >Robert
>
> I meant to post on this myself, but got distracted.  We have one of these
> in the lab, a promotional item from a drug/chemical company (with a line
> about "Putting the pieces together" or something).  I thought it was
> amazingly cool, so I duplicated it in paper (actually, cardboard).
>
> Opened out, it's a ring of 16 right triangles, oriented so that alternate
> triangles have their largest side (opposite the right triangle) on opposite
> edges of the ring (and thus making the band a uniform width).  It's set up
> such that one can make a mountain fold (and only a mountain fold) along the
> junction between any two adjacent triangles.  By careful folding, many
> different shapes can be evoked.
>
> Overall, the resulting shapes remind me a lot of tangrams, so I was calling
> it a "tan-ring"
>
> Now, as regards the trademark, is this little beauty reserved, or can I
> make versions and give them to people?  It seems too simple for someone to
> have just invented it...
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Kinney
> kkinney@carolinas.org





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:54:51 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Triogami

Concerning this Triogami thing.  The same thing is patented as Geoloop(tm)
and I found it in a catalog sponsored by Binary Arts.  Here is the info:

Binary Arts Corporation
1321 Cameron Street
Alexandria, Virginia 22314-3449

http://www.webgames.com/

(I am not employed, just a fan)

Also, if you are interested in Geoloop/Triogami then you may like the
predecessor known as Geomorph 12 (R)  Now this thing is interesting!
It is a series of twelve tetrahedra that are linked together in a ring
and can be shaped into various 3-dimensional shapes.  The difference is
that each individual unit is a three-dimensional shape and all of these
units together will form a giant pyramid.

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:17:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Triogami
Priority: normal

On  7 Apr 98 at 21:51, Richard Davies wrote:

> > There are others around who know better than I do what that means
> > about whether you can *sell* your creations. Can't see as how
> > anyone can (would bother to) stop you from giving them away
> > unless you made an awful lot of them.
>
> Do they have to patent the plastic/fabric design or will it include cardboard
> versions too.. (Oops, this could start off the whole Origami 'design' vs
>  completed
> model copyright debate again. Presumably the answer is the same though.) I
>  imagine
> in this case it depends on whether the maths is really simple or not, after
> all no-ones patented pi yet.

I really hesitate to get all of this legal crap out on the mailing list, again,
but there's a point here:

First the legal musings: three things:

first is that someeone said the thing is 'patent pending' --- and so while it
is not yet patented, one is 'on notice' that duplicating it -might-get you in
line to be sued...

second is that it is hard to imagine the claims for something like triogami
that would be specific to plastic --- can you? Surely it will be in terms of
"triangles out of stiff material connected by...". One would have to examine
the specific claims of the patent to be sure, but I wouldn't count on -that-
loophole [if anything, patents are over-broad, rather than foolishly narrow]

third, the math's won't help you: there hasn't been a new mechanical principle
since archimedes and still new forms of levers, cams, etc are patented -all-
the time: if you make somethign that has the-same-function- and uses the
-same-mechanism-, I suspect you're just plain infringing.
-------------------------------------------------

And this is my real point, and really at the heart of the copyright/patent
stuff: the FACT is that they're **STEALING**.  They are intentially ripping
off the folks who invented, make, and sell the things, and so even if they can
find some legal theory to make it somehow 'legit', at an ethics level it is
just theivery.  Give the guy his *DUE* and if you are interested in a triogami,
**BUY** one; the simple fact that it is easy to rip off his design and make one
for yourself hardly makes it the ethical thing to do.

If more gave credit where it is due, rather than finding reasons to justify
taking what they want for free, the law would be a lot less complicated and we
[origami-l] would spend a lot less time discussing the nuances of when you can
copy and when you can't/shoudln't, etc...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 20:54:02 -0400
Subject: Origami sightings

On a rerun of the sitcom "Happy Days" Ritchie (played by Ron Howard) is
working on a loading dock.  At the end of the show, one of the other workers
tells him hes is "all right" and folds him a paper hat.

On the show "Boy Meets World", the boy is folding paper trying to forget a
love interest.  He then starts tearing the petals off a paper flower saying
"she loves me, she loves me not".

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj





From: Richard Davies <richardd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:51:59 +0100
Subject: Re: Triogami

> There are others around who know better than I do what that means
> about whether you can *sell* your creations. Can't see as how
> anyone can (would bother to) stop you from giving them away
> unless you made an awful lot of them.

Do they have to patent the plastic/fabric design or will it include cardboard
versions too.. (Oops, this could start off the whole Origami 'design' vs
 completed
model copyright debate again. Presumably the answer is the same though.) I
 imagine
in this case it depends on whether the maths is really simple or not, after all
no-ones patented pi yet.

Rich





From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:46:00 -0600
Subject: Origami sighting (Canadian Content)

I couldn't resist letting you know about this (as usual very brief) origami
reference.

Saturday Night Magazine, April 8, 1998.p. 11. Flavour of the month.
Exhibitions. Sister from another planet.

This one page article by Patrick Graham in "Canada's Magazine", is a
"review" of the Art Gallery of Ontario's Andy Warhol party. For those of
you old enough to remember disco - "It began when Grace Jones landed on the
stage like a sister from another planet. A former model and Warhol
hanger-on, Jones is the Frankenstein monster of the Milli Vanilli set, a
disco diva with enough presence and power to have been a credible James
Bond villain in A View to a Kill. Like some origami monster from a Japanese
B movie, she came out wrapped in a giant paper dress by Issey Miyake, and
began vogueing her way through her repertoire....Now everyone was standing
there mesmerised by her low, hypnotic voice and those enormous eyes peering
out from behind an elaborate, dragon-like headdress. Her stage persona went
way beyond the Mr. Dress Up attempts of the audience."

For your reading pleasure today! I'm betting that the "enormous,
dragon-like headdress was folded by Joseph Wu! :) (Not!)

Have a wonderful, and fulfilling day.
Nigel Pottle





From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:16:49 -0400 (
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: International Money Orders

This isn't the first time that payments by post to Japan have cropped up. I
remember writing (probably at length!) last year about the problems that are
caused.

In the United States, I understand that Interntional Postal or Money Orders
cannot be purchsed over any post office counter as they used to be, but have
to be sent for from the central office of the Post Office, and there are often
delays. In the United Kingdom, the problem is even worse, because
International Money Orders have simply been abolished. When I rang the Post
Office and exploded my frustration and protests, they merely said that I
should send a bank draft.

My reason for wanting to send a money order was brought about because of my
difficulties with sending bank drafts to Japan. I have bought and sent many
bank drafts all over the world for many years and there has never been any
problem. The main disadvantage is that you have to pay charges to your own
bank and, over the years, the bank charges have been steadily increasing.
Charges can come in two varieties: either a fixed charge, or a percentage
charge on the total value of the draft, or both. Banks may also charge a
correspondence fee.  Remember that banks mainly cater for commercial firms
that  will be paying some tens of thousands of pounds or more. In contrast, my
drafts are more of the order of ten or twenty pounds. For small amounts, my
bank is now content with the fixed fee, which now amounts to about eight
pounds per draft. But that is that. When the recipient receives my draft, he
pays it into his bank like an ordinary cheque. It is already converted into
his currency and the draft is drawn on a bank in his own country. He does not
have to pay any more bank charges than he would on an ordinary cheque,
(depending on what this agreement is with his bank).

But with Japan, it is different. For some reason that I fail to understand,
the recipient's Japanese bank insists on charging the Japanese recipient of
the draft heavy charges for the privilege of paying the draft into his
account. Since there is no conversion of the currencey to be made and the
payee's Bank has no correspondence with the drawing bank in England, this
seems to me to be a con.. On the other hand it may be charges made by the
Japanese bank on which the draft is drawn. I suppose that it does receive a
letter from England and it may with to charg for receiving it. (I'm afraid
that here I'm getting into the intricacie of banking systems.) The charges
made depend on the particular bank on which the draft is drawn, but may be
Y1,500 or Y2500, depending on the bank. I paid for my copies of ORU by draft
in this way and added on to my draft the amount of the expected Japanese bank
charges. The ORU people told me which bank the draft should be drawn on to
incur the least fees!

I tried to take this matter up with my own bank in England, but they were
simply not interested. They said charges were a matter for each particular
bank and there were no international rules. I suspect my bank was digging its
defences far forward, looking to the time when they might want to put up
charges!

The only way this matter could be solved would be at an international
governmental level. Buit can you see governments being interested in saving
what are in commercial terms tiny amounts of money for private non-commercial
citizens?

Jan Fodor asked yesterday about Origami Tanteidan's policy. I am at present in
correspondence with Origami Tanteidan about renewing my subscription and
paying for their annual books of diagrams. In my letter to them, I outlined
the problems of payment and in particular the question of Japanese bank
charges. They merely replied on this matter that they didn't know whether they
would be able to pay a bank draft in their account in any case (they had
obviously not enquired at their bank). They suggested I should send cash (i.e.
banknotes in Yen), and to hide them away in the letter, where it wouldn't be
obvious from the outside that they were enclosed. I hate doing this, but in
desperation, this is probably what I shall do. I suppose I should send my
letter by registered mail, but even this is somewhat cumbersome and in itself
expensive.

As to the use of credit cards in Japan, I found they were accepted readily in
the big shops in Kyoto. I bought books several times and also presents for
home. But I have never tried to buy things by post or e-mail from Japan and
pay by credit card.  I doubt if the Japanese have caught up with this slick
system, (which isn't without it's inherent exposure to the dangers of fraud in
any case, wherever in the world.)

As for payments in western countries, I find that payment by credit card is by
far the best. More and more firms are accepting payment by credit card by post
, e-mail or telelphone. In international payments, the payment is converted by
the credit card company at the current rate of exchange and no more charges
are added. The first time I know that an order by post or e-mail has gone
through is when I find the debit on my statement, long before the books (yes,
it's always books and usually origami books) reach me. I have just paid my
subscription to OrigamiUSA by credit card. What simple transaction this made
it. Not even a trip to the bank!

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:16:53 -0400 (
Subject: Triogami

I have the British Origami Society version of the latest puzzle-craze of a
ring of sixteen right-angled triangles in front of me now. I bought it from
BOS Supplies at the 30th anniversary conventionat York in September last year.
When folded up, the triangles, which are made of white plastic, form a square
of a double thickness, each layer having eight triangles.

On the face of the folded square is the British Origami Society symbol which
is a blue flapping bird on a background of a terrestrial globe surrounded by
the words "British Origami Sociey"..

When unfolded, the sixteen triangles form a simple untwisted ring, each
triangle being attached to its neighbour along one of its shorter (non-
hypotenuse) sides. The triangles accordingly alternate between pointing up and
pointing down. The whole is mounted on a strip of stong fabric to which the
triangles are glued and which acts boith as a link between the triangles and
as a hinge where each triangle is joined to the next. Anyone could make such a
puzzle by cutting out sixteen right-angled isosceles triangles and joining
them togeter with sticky tape.

It is easy enough to begin with the square and to break it up to form the
ring. The triangles may then be folded up again into a number of different
patterns. The ultimate puzzle is to fit them together again to form the
square, so that the BOS badge is correctly formed again. This can be a little
tricky, but not particularly difficult, especially once you get the knack.

My version of the puzzle has no maker's name on it. It doesn't carry a
copyright notice or a trademark or a mark as a registered design. I doesn't
carry a registered tradmark, nor does it carry a patent number or a notice
that a patent has been applied for. Apart from the BOS symbol, and as far as
supply or manufacture is concerned, it is entirely anonymous. Possibly the
former BOS Supplies Secretary may be able to throw more light upon where it
came from.

I am positive that I have seen something like this before and that it is not a
new invention. Unfortunately I cannot remember when or where. I may even have
a sikilar device in the back of my cupboard where i jkeep my mechanical
puzzles, but at the moment I simply haven't the courage to open that box of
tricks.

Turning to the "Tiogami" version,and  the types of protection which might be
obtained or applied for, copyright obviously does not apply. Registration of
the name "Triogami" only protects that name and not the device itself. A
registered design does not seem to have been mentioned, but it is difficult to
see any novelty of design that would qualify for registration.

A patent would be a different matter. So far there is only notice that a
patent has been applied for and there is no information that it has been
granted. Whether or not a patent is granted depends on the US Patent Office
and any other patent offices to which application is made. Now, I hesitate to
get involved in a discussionof the thorny subject of patent law. When I  was
in practice I was rarely involved with patent matters and if I was, I always
sought the advice of a patent agent. The whole  subject struck me as being
tediously complicated and time-consuming and it involved searching  through
millions of previous patents to make sure that the device for which
porotection was sought really was as a novelty. Now I am retired I know even
less about the subject.  But looking up one of the few small books I have on
patents, it seems that , to qualify for a patent in the law of the UK, a
device must be new and anything is not regarded as new "which has at any time
before the priority date of the invention been made available to the public
(whether in the United Kingdom or elsewhere) by written or oral description,
by use or in any other way." In simple terms, this means that even if nobody
has ever before registered a patent for a wheel, no smart Alec could obtain a
patent for one now on the ground that it had not been patented before. Imagine
the the consternation if would couse if someone did manage to register a
patent for the wheel and then started charging fees from eveyone using his
patent!

But patent offices can do funny things. They can make mistakes and they can
have wool pulled over their eyes if a patent application is wrapped up so well
that it appears to make a device appear to be novel. I have a copy of a US
patent for a simple paper-folded basket buried somewhere in my archives. The
patentee was Marie J. Morse, who was awarded US Patent No. 2,066,849 foor a
"Combined Napkin and Destructible Folding Basket". It is mentioned on page 189
of Sam Randlett's "The Art of Origami". This is a simple folded paper basket
easily arrived a in the course of a little origami doodling. As I remember the
specification, the description of how to make the basket was unbelievably long
and convoluted and, in fact, a stern lesson to every drawer of origami
diagrams as to what he should strenuously avoid. I cannot believe that Marie
J. Morse was the first to invent her basket. What she did with her "Combined
Napkin and Destructible Folding Basket" is not recorded. I doubt if she became
a millionaire! Yet she won her patent.

Another thing must be pointed out. A patent is only good for the legal
juridiction for which it is granted. Thus a US patent does not apply in the UK
and vice versa. Accordingly commercial manufacturers have to spent unblievable
sums applying for patents in every country where they hope to sell their
invention. And they have to do it fast before anyone gets in before them. But
efforts are being made to intoduce patents which apply internationally and
patents are now granted, for instance, covering the whole of the the European
Union.

In the light of this, I suggest  that neither Triogami, nor Geoloop should
qualify for a patent in respect of this  little puzzle. But if the examiner at
the US Patent Office is dozing at the time he examines it, one of them might
just get one. Then the other company would be very cross. The thing to do is
for someone who can prove his facts to write to the Patent Ofice pointing out
that the device is not a novely. Perhaps the existence of the BOS model would
be sufficient evidence..

Incidentally,I have just tried to get through to the http://www.webgames.com
site, mentioned by Douglas Zander, but I couldn't get beyond the home page.
Are they feverishly busy or are they asleep? Perhaps they're just busy doing
the puzzle

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com.





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:57:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami in prison (Was: Models Walt Disney would have hated!)

Origami people do tend to be compulsive.

B R E T T

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Rjlang [mailto:Rjlang@AOL.COM]
                Sent:   Wednesday, April 08, 1998 2:36 PM
                To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
                Subject:        Origami in prison (Was: Models Walt
Disney would have hated!)

                I corresponded for several years with an incarcerated
origami
                devotee who is charming, eloquent, well-read,
knowledgeable about origami,
                quite talented at folding, and is (allegedly) the most
prolific serial killer
                in the history of California.

                Robert J. Lang
                rjlang@aol.com





From: Rjlang <Rjlang@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:36:29 -0400 (
Subject: Origami in prison (Was: Models Walt Disney would have hated!)

Sarah Wooden wrote:

>>>>
Many years ago, as a naive college student (trad) I volunteered to do crafts
at a regional correctional facility for teens...[negative experiences
deleted]...If anyone has been successful using origami in a situation like
this [teaching origami in prison], please let me know (I haven't *totally*
given up yet).
<<<<

Many years back I taught a series of origami classes at the California
Institute for Women, which is the quaint name for a maximum-security state
prison (the remnants of Charles Manson's clan were somewhere on the premises,
though not necessarily in my classes). In contrast to Sarah's unpleasant
experience, I found the inmates to be friendly, attentive, and one of the best
audiences I've ever taught. Over a few weeks, we worked our way up from simple
swans to Cerceda's peacock, which everyone successfully folded, and a good
time was had by all.

So it depends on your audience. I wouldn't want to teach anything to a room
full of juvenile delinquents, as Sarah attempted. But you can never tell about
origami people. I corresponded for several years with an incarcerated origami
devotee who is charming, eloquent, well-read, knowledgeable about origami,
quite talented at folding, and is (allegedly) the most prolific serial killer
in the history of California.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





From: "Sonia Wu (NC)" <swu@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 17:13:11 -0400
Subject: Re: The MRC

I was thinking how GREAT it would be to learn the Magic Rose Cube and
thought, "If Valerie Vann doesn't document it before the OUSA convention,
wouldn't it be cool to make it easier to i.d. those who can teach it."

So here's my idea:  At the convention, issue to all who can teach the MRC
a special button that says "I know the Magic Rose Cube.  Just ask!"
or something like that.  Have extra buttons so that those who've learned
who feel confident teaching others can be "certified" on the spot.  I know
we're all supposed to feel comfortable just asking to be taught stuff, but
as a fairly shy person, I'd find it helpful to identify those who can and
want to teach things.  Then if one wanted to be off-duty--just remove the
button.  By the way, I actual own a button-maker and would be happy to
donate at least a certain amount of buttons (with Valerie Vann's approval,
of course), dependent on my supplies.  Is this idea at all appealing to
anyone else, or does it just sound like a dorky formality?

Sonia Wu
(Florida)

P.S.  Re: Origami Lane, my boss's brother just bought a house on that
street in Sarasota, Florida.  I think it's even in a development called
something like "Whispering Crane."





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:32:51 -0600
Subject: Pentagon (Appology & Diagrams)

First of I'd like to apologize to anyone who may have been offended by
my remarks in reference to Ian Harrison, and his article in BOS.  It was
not my intent to insult Mr. Harrison, or minimize his work in any way.
I especially regret that I misquoted Mr. Harrison.  I was working from
memory, when I commented on statements from his article.  In doing so I
used a word that could be construed as contentious or derogatory.  I
should have been more careful to accurately quote his statements.

I have made some modifications on my diagrams for folding a pentagon
using mathematically exact methods.  I have resized them so that they
can be printed, without parts being cut off.  I know it will work if
printed from Netscape, but I believe other browsers should work also.  I
have also lighten the coloring, so that they can be printed on a black
and white printer.  In addition, I have cut down the numbers of steps.

http://rmcds6.med.utah.edu/kim/pent.htm

Please give them a try, and let me know what you think.  It may not be
maximal, but I think you will find them very accurate.

And before anyone asks.  The reason I call it a "Perfect Pentagon", is
not because I believe the method is superior, but rather because it hard
to say three times fast.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeanors any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:41:34 -0600
Subject: Re: The MRC

Sonia Wu (NC) wrote:

> So here's my idea:  At the convention, issue to all who can teach the MRC
> a special button that says "I know the Magic Rose Cube.  Just ask!"

Or we could all walk around with opened Rose Cubes, pinned to our clothing.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: RPlsmn <RPlsmn@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:38:22 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami in prison (Was: Models Walt Disney would have hated!)

origami models are very valuable to the incarcerated because they can be
partially unfolded and sent out in the mail for presents to love ones (with
instructions on how to reconstruct them) ... this fact also makes them almost
as viable a currency as cigarettes, and how hard is it to get a piece of paper
in a jail?
 If  a "punk" can be sold for a carton of cigarettes,  and a decent origami
model can get up to a half pack of cigarettes (?) where does that put the
value of Origami in "New York" terms?
                                                                    -rgr-





From: Julia Weinmann <jaw727@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 02:46:58 +0000 (
Subject: Re: READ PLEASE

please put the name of who him is?

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From: karen thomas <thomasan@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:01:08 -0700
Subject: NO MAIL (2nd request)

NOMAIL





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:01:21 -0700
Subject: (NO) Art in prison - Danger!

On 03:36 PM 4/8/98 EDT, Rjlang wrote:

"Many years back I taught a series of origami classes at the California
Institute for Women, which is the quaint name for a maximum-security state
prison (the remnants of Charles Manson's clan were somewhere on the
premises..."

Several years ago a friend of mine who is an artist participated in a
similar program, apparently at this same prison.  She was very nervous at
first then relaxed when she got to know the inmates as friendly people
interested in her artwork.  She did report that at one point she turned
around to find "Squeaky" Fromme preparing to stab her with one of her
painting tools.  She very calmly said, "Okay, Sandy, let's put that down,
we don't need that tool right now" and that was the end of it.

Who says art is a safe pursuit?!

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Herman Lau <hlau@ARB.CA.GOV>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:07:07 +0000
Subject: Prison Origami
Priority: normal

There is a lady I know in town who's been folding for at least 25
years.  Several years ago from out of the blue she got a letter from
someone in prison who wanted someone to correspond with on origami.
It was a very nice and charming letter.  But when she saw who wrote
it, she freaked out.  The writer was a very famous serial murderer.
It had such a chilling effect on her that she immediately contacted
all the origami organization she belonged to and got her name off
all their membership lists.   Although I tried to assure her that
there was absolutely no chance of him getting out, she still gets
shaken by the experience just remembering it.

I now realized she probably had the unspoken or subconscious
assumption that he wrote only to her or, in a more frightening term,
"targeting" her.  Now if only she knew that he was writing to
everyone!

Herman Lau





From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:56:20 -0700 (
Subject: Capital Folders Origami

Capital Folders Origami, Washington DC will meet on the Second Tuesday
of each month through August 1998.  Our meetings are scheduled from 6:30
to 8:45PM.  If you would like to join us for dinner before the meeting,
please contact Steve Buck at folder@dc.net no later than the day before
the meeting.

On Tuesday, April 14, May 12, and June 9 we will meet in the second
floor stack at the Cleveland Park Library, Connecticut Av & Macomb St,
NW, Cleveland Park Station on the Red Line.  Zone and paid parking in
the neighborhood.

On Tuesday, July 14 and August 11, we will return to our former meeting
place the Tenley-Friendship Library, Wisconsin Ave & Albemarle St, NW,
Tenleytown-AU Station on the Red Line.  We meet on the second floor in
the Children's Library where we can make as much noise as we want.
Street parking is available.

If you are visiting the Washington, DC metropolitan area, please
consider scheduling your visit to coincide with one of Capital Folders
Origami's meetings!  Both libraries are easily accessible by Metro from
downtown DC or the VA and MD suburbs.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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