




From: Corders <jlk@DOITNOW.COM>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:25:05 -0700
Subject: Origami with business cards

Hello all!

I subscribe to the Origami digest, and I don't know if I'm submitting this in
 the right format, but here goes:

Does anyone know where I can find origami designs for business cards?

Thanks,

Jim





From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:46:24 -0800
Subject: Why no glossies?

> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer, wrote:
>
> What it appears to boil down to is that you want it all, you want it now,
> and you want easy. The sad fact of life is that it's not always possible.
> Things are handled differently in different places. We may not like that,
> but that's the way it is.
>

This is an opportunity for me to vent my ongoing disappointment with the state
     of Origami periodicals.  Every hobby, every craft, every
     Johnny-come-philately has its own full color glossy magazines.  Friends
     that collect trains, own kittens,throw clay, ru

Does anyone else feel this frustration?

Mark





From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:53:01 -0800
Subject: Sighting -- Liar Liar

This is probably an old one, but I don't recall seeing it in the last 3 months.

In the out-takes at the end of the movie "Liar, Liar", Jim Kerry, standing
     before the witness stand, takes a piece of paper and does what might best
     be described as a "continous dynamic squash fold" and forms a "goose".
     Better than most I've folded, I'm

Mark





From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:05:14 -0600
Subject: Re: Conference advice? NC?? MORE INFO PLEASE

I am new to conferences as well.  Tell me more about the NC one.  Date,
where, contact, etc.  This is one I can get to.

Thanks,

Carole

You wrote:
>
>I want to get my feet wet conference-wise as soon as possible.
>I have read that the Southeastern conference, the one in North Caro-
>lina?, is usually quite impressive and good, and since it is at
>the end of September this year, I think it will fit in well with
>my schedule. May I ask if you think this is an appropriate one to
>start off at? Or is it too overloaded with excellent people who
>prefer to deal primarily with their own kind (other equally ex-
>cellent people)?
>
>Deborah Foreman-Takano
>dforeman@mail.doshisha.ac.jp





From: VVOrigami <VVOrigami@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 10:53:47 -0500 (
Subject: Re: International Money Orders

Some Japanese businesses will do foreign credit card orders;
I know of someone who has bought books that way (though sort
of as a "dealer"), and I purchased a set of software and graphics
CDROMs from a Japanese company by FAXing them an order
form from their web site, and using a credit card for payment.

Valerie Vann





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:29:21 -0500
Subject: Re: International Money Orders
Priority: normal

On  4 Apr 98 at 18:55, Robby/Laura/Lisa wrote:

> That of postal M.O.'s is really a bit of a mistery. Each country seems to
> manage them in a slightly (??) different way. Here, the M.O. must be issued
> in the currency of the OTHER country, then the Post Office bills you at the
> actual exchange rate.

That's because "money orders" aren't actually part of the international postal
service and so end up being handled on a country-by-country pair basis.  [last
time I tried to do this, I believe that in the US you can get a MO for
Australia but not New Zealand, for example].  It is definitely -not- like the
postal service agreements for -mail-, where each country agrees to honor the
postage paid to the -other- country.

On the other hand, I've been surprised about all this talk about
"international credit card sales" and how backward Japan is...  I'd be
-amazed- if Japan didn't have a first-tier relationship with all of the major
the smallest of shops in the US generally accepts credit cards, it is hard to
believe that the market penetration of CCs is *so* different between Japan and
the US.

"international sales" isn't an issue: when you charge something, it is *always*
a local matter and the merchant gets paid in local funds.  The magic all
happens when MCI or AmEx go to clear the charge and put it on your bill: they
internally do the appropriate conversions so that you get billed the right
amount in YOUR local funds.  In essence, Visa and friends end up acting like
international banks.

The point is: there's no 'international' to worry about.  If a merchant
accepts MasterCard, they can [without ANY other considerations] accept
mastercards issued -anywhere- in the world, and are wholly insulated from
whatever the home-currency might be for the holder of the card.  So any
merchant in Japan who takes credit cards can, without an additional care,
accept orders that will [eventually] be paid-for in US funds.  There are lots
of licensing/export/duty/etc problems with buying things and shipping them
across international boundaries, but making credit card payments work out is
*not* one of them. [for example, I tried to order something from Japan and
couldn't NOT because of currency problems [they took MasterCard! :o)], but
because of copyright problems: the item I wanted was published by someoen who
ONLY had a license to distribute the item in Japan and so it was not legit for
them to ship it to me]

And the policies of the local banks shouldn't be an issue, either.  When you
arrange to accept credit cards, that agreement is -directly- with the credit
card service.  Obviously you need a local bank and there are other requirements
for obtainings charge abilities, but your local bank, per se, doesn't figure
into them: they just get the occasional big deposit [wired in I think, but I
can't remember] in -local- funds, and it is none of the local bank's business
as to which countries, how many transactions, etc,. made up those charges.

[by the way, none of this to argue more one way or the other about whether the
Origami house should accept Visa or not, just some info for the folks that
don't know how credit cards work these days]

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 16:19:57 -0500
Subject: Re: International Money Orders

> On  4 Apr 98 at 18:55, Robby/Laura/Lisa wrote:
>
> On the other hand, I've been surprised about all this talk about
> "international credit card sales" and how backward Japan is...

I don't know anything about Japanese culture but it may just be that the
Japanese have more sense than us (at least US'ers) and aren't as prone to
over extend their credit, making and pay huge amounts of interest, thereby
making credit cards less appealing to the card companies. Backward you say?
Perhaps it's is a more advanced society that does NOT have credit cards.

Bye, Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 16:29:33 -0500
Subject: Crappy Models

Something happens to me all the time. Does it happen to you? What do you
do?

I fold a lot in public and people frequently come up to me and say "WOW -
WAY COOL MAN" (or something like that). My first thought is, "great, give
it to him". My next thought is, "oh dear, what now - this is a practice
model, the feet are crunkeled like spit wads, there is a 1'2" rip in the
beak, I wouldn't give this to my worst enemy". Then comes the confusion, I
think "but hey, they really like it - so give it to them, but what if
someone else sees it - it is crap".
If I know the person and have time I say something like, "that's not really
too good, let me make you another one". But I never know what to do when
it's a stranger.

If this happens to you - how do you handle it?

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 16:39:22 -0500
Subject: What to say after Thanks?

I'm not a shy fellow but I often find myself at a loss for words.

Them: "WOW - WAY COOL MAN" or "That is beautiful" (or something like that)
Me: "Thanks"
Them: stand and look at me
Me: humm what to say???

Here are the FEW things I can think of to say.

1) If you'd like to try it I can tell you about books and clubs
2) Did you ever fold as a kid
3) If she is cute, ask if she'd like to come and take a look at my origami
collection   ;-)
4) Say "would you like to have it".

That's about all I can come up with, 1 and 2 seldom get much of a response,
3 is a joke (I'm happily married), 4 works well but I have to have the
model ready to give them. So, I know a lot of you have no trouble coming up
with LOT's to say   ;-)    so what are your conversation starters?

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:55:31 +0200
Subject: Re: Perfect Pentagons

James,
At 16.06 2/4/1998 -0500, you wrote:

>Roberto, Here is the easy maximum pentagon based on Ian Harrison and Kazuo
>Haga's works.  It works like a charm, and I can't understand how that can
>be when both angle and length of sides are approximations!  Maybe you have
>an explanation for it.

The only explanation could be that the thickness of paper balances in some
way the inaccuracy of the angle and sides. Anyway, well done ! Many thanks.

Best,
Roberto
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From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:55:33 +0200
Subject: Re: International Money Orders

Kim,
At 17.48 2/4/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>We recently sent a registered international postal money order in Lira
>to Italy.  Yes, it went through St. Louis.  It took one month to get
>from our post office in Herndon VA. to Saint Louis.  We have not heard
>anything from Italy, so I guess they have yet to receive it.  So tonight
>we are putting a second tracer on it.  Two months to try and get an
>international  postal order to Italy is outrageous!!!

I agree.... and I can assure that the same thing happens when sending an
international M.O. from Italy to abroad..... >:-(

That of postal M.O.'s is really a bit of a mistery. Each country seems to
manage them in a slightly (??) different way. Here, the M.O. must be issued
in the currency of the OTHER country, then the Post Office bills you at the
actual exchange rate. But you don't actually have to "order" nor "get"
anything to send privately to anyone (you just get a receipt of your
payment): it's the P. O. that forwards your payment to some intermediate
Central Exchange Office (or something like that) which in turn forwards it
to destination. The whole process is veeeeery slow.... In the end, the good
ol' "concealed cash" method may still be the best choice, provided you cross
your fingers tightly enough !

Roberto
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51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
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From: Deborah Foreman-Takano <dforeman@MAIL.DOSHISHA.AC.JP>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:35:20 +0900
Subject: Conference advice?

I want to get my feet wet conference-wise as soon as possible.
I have read that the Southeastern conference, the one in North Caro-
lina?, is usually quite impressive and good, and since it is at
the end of September this year, I think it will fit in well with
my schedule. May I ask if you think this is an appropriate one to
start off at? Or is it too overloaded with excellent people who
prefer to deal primarily with their own kind (other equally ex-
cellent people)?

Deborah Foreman-Takano
dforeman@mail.doshisha.ac.jp





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:37:51 -0600 (
Subject: Re: International Money Orders

>
> BayBank wanted to charge me $25.00 to cut a
> check in British pounds, so I could pay a Scotsman for a balsa wood model
> airplane that cost $47.00. I had to tell the Scotsman that it wasn't worth
> it to me. Extrapolate this to how much business can be lost because of this
> problem.

 I hear you.  I paid $25.00 extra so that I could pay someone in Germany a
 $15.00 shareware fee.  $40.00!!! and the person in Germany only got $15.00
 what a rip!!  (I felt I had to pay for this particular software.)

>
> Robert

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 22:49:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Triogami

>A friend of mine who keeps me well supplied with math toys
>just gave me something that others here might enjoy. It's a mat
>of right isosceles triangles that are attached to each other so
>that you can fold along the joint. They are attached so that 8
>triangles around a point have joints that correspond to the
>creases of a preliminary base (both diagonals and both book folds).
>
>My "small" mat has 4 of these sets of 8 attached to form a square.
>I don't know what the "large" mat looks like. It's a great doodle toy---
>you can bend and fold to create cool patterns. You can also
>rearrange the pieces so that they are attached to each other in
>shapes other than a square.
>
>I don't know where mine was purchased, but here's the info that's
>printed on the package:
>
>TRIOGAMI (tm) is a trademark of
>Karl's Industrial Design (KID) inc.
>Peekskill, NY  10566
>
>Lisa
>Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

I just purchased Triogami, for $18.95, at the gift shop of the Boston
Museum of Science.

Robert

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From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 22:50:47 -0500
Subject: matters of consequence

I suppose I too would be upset were I told that my origami was evidence
that I had too much time on my hands.   The Little Prince might respond
that grownups are always involved in "matters of consequence."   I would
rather not be that kind of grownup.

Anyway, I would like to find some fellow folders in northeast Wisconsin
-- or a group of folders in Madison or other nearby place.   Anyone out
there?

Candice

--
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                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





From: Rick Bissell <rickbissell@NCWEB.COM>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:21:13 -0500
Subject: Re: What to say after Thanks?

At 04:39 PM 4/4/98 -0500, Jeff wrote:
so what are your conversation starters?

I usually like to give them some info to help them appreciate the model
more, i.e., "this was folded from a single piece of 8" square paper", or
"this was made from 30 pieces of paper about the size of a post-it note, no
glue was used".  Usually the next question is "how long did it take you to
make it?" or "do you have to use special paper?".

Sometimes though, I'll say something off the wall to throw them, like:
"this was folded from a single piece of paper about 3" square (and the
model is 8" high), or tell them that a tri-color 30 piece Sonobe sphere was
made from a single piece of paper, etc. and then wait for the reaction.

The other day my feelings were a little hurt when a person at work was
looking at something I had done and made a comment like "you must have too
much free time on your hands".   My response was that I stay up late after
the family is in bed working on them.  Had to bite my tongue...I guess I
should do something more acceptable with my time like watch 8 hours worth
of sports on television every week.

        -Rick Bissell
         http://www.ncweb.com/users/rickbissell





From: Rick Bissell <rickbissell@NCWEB.COM>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:28:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Why no glossies?

At 09:46 PM 4/3/98 -0800, Mark wrote:
>This is an opportunity for me to vent my ongoing disappointment with the
state of Origami periodicals.

snip

>Does anyone else feel this frustration?

Not too much, because there is more than enough high quality info,
diagrams, and photos available on the Web and this list to keep me occupied
for hours.

        -Rick Bissell
         http://www.ncweb.com/users/rickbissell





From: Andy Carpenter <Andy.Carpenter@MCI.COM>
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:32:10 -0700
Subject: Re: What to say after Thanks?

Whilst I don't fold in public I often display my origami at work. My
co-workers usually measure my stress levels relative to the volume of
origami that appears on the top of my cabinets. I have found it a great way
to get to know people better since a lot stop by to admire the models. Most
find it incredible that a model such as Brills horse, Langs cuckoo clock or
Schafers Swiss army knife could be folded from one piece of paper. I tell
them that I'm amazed too.

I'm often told how brilliant I am to which I reply that it is the likes of
Brill, Lang, Schafer & all the other designers (too numerous to mention -
but I am indebted to all of you) who are brilliant. I merely follow
directions well.

Every couple of months I send an email to my co-workers telling them to
take whatever models they want. I have 20+ models on display at this point
and they are usually gone within the hour. Then it's time to start all over
again.

-----Original Message-----
Sent:   Saturday, April 04, 1998 2:39 PM

I'm not a shy fellow but I often find myself at a loss for words.

Them: "WOW - WAY COOL MAN" or "That is beautiful" (or something like that)
Me: "Thanks"
Them: stand and look at me
Me: humm what to say???

Here are the FEW things I can think of to say.

1) If you'd like to try it I can tell you about books and clubs
2) Did you ever fold as a kid
3) If she is cute, ask if she'd like to come and take a look at my origami
collection   ;-)
4) Say "would you like to have it".

That's about all I can come up with, 1 and 2 seldom get much of a response,
3 is a joke (I'm happily married), 4 works well but I have to have the
model ready to give them. So, I know a lot of you have no trouble coming up
with LOT's to say   ;-)    so what are your conversation starters?

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: McPhee <mcphee@ACCESSONE.COM>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:44:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Why no glossies?

        For what it is worth the state of the Magician's and Harmonica
Enthusiast's Newsletters is about the same. But their online corollaries
are great. The online network for origami appears to be excellent.
Periodicals become dated very quickly and the diagrams or fundamental issue
articles are the items of long term value. Improving the online forum would
seem a more practical and long term beneficial use of an informational
vision. That said I probably would consider subscribing to a much improved
publication to review its worth.

-mcphee...





From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:10:38 -0300
Subject: Deltoids

Hi everyone,

Recently I found a booklet about "papiroflexia" by Dr. Solrzano Sagredo
(1945), He explain the fold of all letters and numbers, and in one part the
explanation said: "letras flxicas", I need to know what are "letters
flexicas".
I do not know which is the translation of "flxicas". Any of you know about
this?

Thanks in advance.

Happy Folding

Patricia Gallo

http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:10:21 -0700
Subject: [NO] RE: International Money Orders

On Saturday, April 04, 1998 12:29 PM, Bernie Cosell
 [SMTP:bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM] wrote:
> On the other hand, I've been surprised about all this talk about
> "international credit card sales" and how backward Japan is...  I'd be
> -amazed- if Japan didn't have a first-tier relationship with all of the
> major CC companies [wasn't VISA one of the sponsors of the Nagano Olympics].
> Even the smallest of shops in the US generally accepts credit cards, it is
> hard to believe that the market penetration of CCs is *so* different between
> Japan and the US.

Why do you persist in assuming that the consumer dynamics in Japan are exactly
 the same
as in the US? Just because things are done one way in one part of the world, it
 does not
mean that other parts of the world will do things similarly. Japanese people
 don't seem
things around, why aren't there any vending machines in the USA that sell rice?
 Or
vegetables? Or eggs? Vending machines are found everywhere in Japan, and sell
 many items.
They're so convenient. So easy to use. I can't understand why they aren't used
 that way
everywhere.

> The point is: there's no 'international' to worry about.  If a merchant
> accepts MasterCard, they can [without ANY other considerations] accept
> mastercards issued -anywhere- in the world, and are wholly insulated from
> whatever the home-currency might be for the holder of the card.  So any
> merchant in Japan who takes credit cards can, without an additional care,
> accept orders that will [eventually] be paid-for in US funds.

True, if the merchant accepts MasterCard or Visa or Amex or one of the other
international cards.

> And the policies of the local banks shouldn't be an issue, either.  When you
> arrange to accept credit cards, that agreement is -directly- with the credit
> card service. Obviously you need a local bank and there are other requirements
> for obtainings charge abilities, but your local bank, per se, doesn't figure
> into them: they just get the occasional big deposit [wired in I think, but I
> can't remember] in -local- funds, and it is none of the local bank's business
> as to which countries, how many transactions, etc,. made up those charges.

As I understand it, merchants have to deal with the local banks to arrange to
 accept
credit cards in Japan. And there are a whole range of other credit companies in
 Japan
that issue their own credit cards. It is possible to get a Visa card that only
 works with
a certain bank. If you go to a merchant that accepts Visa, but is not banking
 with that
particular bank (and I mean the bank chain, not the specific branch), the card
 will not
be accepted. I don't think international cards are affected by this, but locally
 issued
Japanese cards are.

What it boils down to is that the Japanese have set up their own system of
controls over how credit cards are handled. True, if a merchant sets itself
up to accept one of the international cards, it can handle international
purchases without hassles, just as Bernie said, but what it costs a merchant
to do so may be much more than what it costs a North American merchant to do
so. (I say may in this case because I don't have first-hand knowledge of
this.)

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:23:08 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] RE: International Money Orders

>Why do you persist in assuming that the consumer dynamics in Japan are exactly
> the same
>as in the US? Just because things are done one way in one part of the
>world, it
> does not
>mean that other parts of the world will do things similarly. Japanese people
> don't seem
>to like using credit cards. I don't know why...I just know that they don't. To
> turn
>things around, why aren't there any vending machines in the USA that sell
>rice?
> Or
>vegetables? Or eggs? Vending machines are found everywhere in Japan, and sell
> many items.
>They're so convenient. So easy to use. I can't understand why they aren't used
> that way
>everywhere.[snip]
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
>T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
>W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca

In this country, mayonnaise is sold in glass jars. In other countries, it
is sold in metal squeeze tubes, like what toothpaste comes in here. I guess
this is a combination of technical reasons and cultural reasons, I don't
know for sure.

How do vegetables and eggs stay fresh in vending machines?

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