




From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:39:08 -0500
Subject: Re: I Screwed Up - I Need Your Help!

Jeff,
I got my copy from Edward R. Hamilton Bookseller< Falls Village, CT
06031-5000 a year ago-ish.  (that is their complete adress--perhaps they
are th only thing in Falls Village?)

by the way, God (or Godess, or the Gods) smile on those who go to such
valiant efforts to return books. ;)

peace,

dahlia





From: Howard Portugal <howardp@FAST.NET>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:52:35 -0500
Subject: Origami Sighting

On the back cover in the lower right corner of the March/April 1998
Volume 7, Number 2 issue of the Microsoft Developer Network News
there is a picture of Kevin Marzek with the following bio: "When not
actively hunting for the perfect beer, Kevin Marzec is most likely
studying
the ancient lost art of full-contact origami."

Yeah, I know that the reference is geared towards software developers,
but what the heck.

Howard
--
Howard Portugal, West Chester, PA email:howardp@fast.net
---------------------------------------------------
"A problem worthy of attack, proves its worth by fighting back."
Author Unknown





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:55:39 -0800
Subject: Re: Models Walt Disney would have hated!

At 14:55 -0500 1998/3/27, Boseditor wrote:
>Lang's Eagle? Hadn't thought about this one. Yes, I can see that the pose is a
>hunting one - though it could be a rescuing one as well - Gwaihir sweeping
>down to rescue Frodo from the wreck of Mount Doom, perhaps?  Shame it doesn't
>have a fish trailing from one claw. I guess it might be hard to get enough
>paper that far down, though.
>
>Anyone have any other thoughts?

Yamanashi-san of the Origami Tanteidan has a dinosaur model that uses
senbazuru-type cutting to make a large dinosaur (looks like one of the
Deinonychus genus...I think that's a genus) that's holding onto a smaller
dinosaur (same folding) which in turn is holding onto a fish.

I guess you could do something similar to Lang's eagle.

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From: D Pun <debpun@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:04:07 -0500 (
Subject: Warm Thank You for Architectural Origami Ideas

I thank everyone out there who has so kindly and generously contributed
ideas and suggestions for my Architecture Origami workshop.

The students were very excited with the strength/structure exercise (Tom
Hull's suggestion). I was more prepared to teach with the direction of
the art teacher (and the teacher aides)by my side. The younger children
enthusiastically created kites welcoming the advent of Spring in
Saratoga. I have one more workshop to go this coming Tuesday and I would
like to do the jumping frogs from Eric Kenneway's encyclopedia of
projects.

Again, Warmest Thanks from Debbie Pun.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:47:57 -0800
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted
At 16:22 -0500 1998/3/27, Doug Philips wrote:
>Bernie Cosell wrote:
>> I guess to each his own definition of "fair", but it still seems hardly
>> productive or useful to duplicate information that is already available.
>> There's nothing really singular about a links-page, and I don't see how
>> we're particularly well-served by having another.
>
>I couldn't agree more.  But Joseph's site is not oriented towards
>finding diagrams or model photos, but towards finding people.

However, if someone were willing to start cataloging the diagrams & photos
available at each of the sites on my link list, it would be very easy to
add that to the database. Indeed, someone could easily "take over" the list
of links since all updates can be done via an administrative web page that
I've already made (password protected, of course). Perhaps Dahlia would be
interested in doing this?

>> Wouldn't the origami community be better off overall if the BOS put their
>> web-page effort into something previously unavailable rather than just
>> duplicating what's already organized and available elsewhere just so
>>they can  have "we offer it ourselves" bragging rights?
>
>I suppose the right thing to do would be set up a mirror site,
>rather than do it haphazardly by hand.

Or just link to the page itself. Easily done.

>> and so your efforts will just dilute his, which seems hardly sporting.  Far
>> better, I'd think to -complement- his efforts and contribute something new.
>
>Hear Hear!

Well, my ego isn't THAT big (although it does seem/feel like it sometimes)
that I would feel like someone was "putting me out of business", so to
speak. Still, it makes little sense to duplicate work already done.

>I regularly search the email archive for David Listers wonderful
>messages on a variety of topics (I was actually surprised to find
>that he had not written a message focussed on Elias, though Elias is
>mentioned in many of the messages).  I had actually thought about
>extracting his messages and putting them on the web, but it was only
>an idea, and I would think such a resource _ought_ to be at the
>B.O.S. site.

Hear Hear!

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Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:55:05 -0800
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

At 08:18 +0000 1998/3/27, Nick Robinson wrote:
>So there should only be one links page in the world for any given
>subject? Should we logically then close down all ori societies except
>the biggest on the grounds that they dilute each others' efforts in
>promoting origami? The argument is naive....

>I'd have thought the more chances people have in finding ori-links the
>better. Don't forget some people in the UK limit their searches to the
>UK to speed up response time.

Hardly naive at all. Origami societies work best in a local/national
setting, not in an international setting. The Web is international in its
scope, so having duplication makes little sense. I'm not trying to "defend
my turf" here. If you want to do another list, go right ahead! But a link
to my list would cover your needs very nicely. You can add to my list by
emailing me new entries, or I could just give you access to my list admin
page which would let you update entries on your own.

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t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Troy Tate <troy.tate@JUNO.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:04:36 -0600
Subject: Re: I Screwed Up - I Need Your Help!

I was just at Half-Price Books today in Austin, TX....

Guess what was on the shelf? Yes, a copy
of Jay Ansill's book!!!

This is the HPB at 8868 Research, phone
# 512-346-9740.

There was also a copy of a Robert Lang
book... I think it was _Complete Origami_
(Dover yellow cover).

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Seriously trying to avoid those techies
who have a "charisma-bypass".
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
troy.tate@juno.com <it's free--what can I say?>

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:50:30 -0500 Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
writes:
>I borrowed a fellow folders copy of Mythical Beings (Jay Ansill) and I
>lost
>it. I am desperate to find a replacement copy.
>
>jkerwood@usaor.net
>

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From: Boseditor <Boseditor@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:46 -0500 (
Subject: Models Walt Disney would have hated!

Thanks D'gou for picking up on this....

Dave Brill's Foxhunt? Yes, I had thought about that, but that fox is such a
cute little fella and from the way he's looking back cheekily over his
shoulder while the hounds are after him full pelt I'm fairly sure he knows
he's got the measure of them and will get away.

Lang's Eagle? Hadn't thought about this one. Yes, I can see that the pose is a
hunting one - though it could be a rescuing one as well - Gwaihir sweeping
down to rescue Frodo from the wreck of Mount Doom, perhaps?  Shame it doesn't
have a fish trailing from one claw. I guess it might be hard to get enough
paper that far down, though.

Anyone have any other thoughts?

Dave Mitchell





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:59:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Web sites

>Wouldn't the origami community be better off overall if the BOS put their
>web-page effort into something previously unavailable rather than just
>duplicating what's already organized and available elsewhere just so they can
>have "we offer it ourselves" bragging rights?  If you're concerned about
>'fair', then doing a -parallel- links page hardly honors and respects the
>work
>that Joseph is doing --- he will surely still wish to keep up his links page
>and so your efforts will just dilute his, which seems hardly sporting.  Far
>better, I'd think to -complement- his efforts and contribute something new.

This is a little over the top, isn't it? Surely it is up to Nick Robinson
what he wants to invest his time on. Besides, just because something has
been done before doesn't mean it can't be done better or somewhat
differently. In fact, I hope lots of web pages turn up to compete with
Joseph Wu's. We would all be wealthier for it. Mind you, I'm not
belittling Wu's pages -- I visit his site too. But I do enjoy the variety
of the web. This is one of its strengths.

Web pages are creative expressions akin to books. I wouldn't tell an
author that he shouldn't write a book on a particular topic just because
someone else has written a book about it before, would you?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Andy Carpenter <Andy.Carpenter@MCI.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:06:29 -0700
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

-----Original Message-----
Sent:   Friday, March 27, 1998 2:22 PM

Message cut....

>Heck, I would PAY BOS the regular fee (via credit card) to have
>passworded access to scanned booklets, on a booklet by booklet
>basis.  I'd even spring $200 for "complete subscription" to the
>existing library and be willing to pay $5-$10 for new booklets.  And
>this is above and beyound what it would cost me to subsequently
>print out my own hardcopies (personal use only, just as BOS trusts
>the folks it mails the paper booklets to not to copy).

What a great idea. I too would support this idea (and be prepared to put my
 credit card where my mouth is)





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:12:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Request on bibliography of/info about:  Neal Elias

At 08:14 PM 3/27/98 +0100, you wrote:

>            Can anyone tell me more about this creator ? which books he
>published and things like that ? Is he still alive ? where is he from ?

From what I remember, I think he is still living in Ohio as a retired
engineer. He essentially got burnt out of origami after an incredibly
prolific period in the late '70s. He is known as a pioneer of box-pleating
(sometimes called "Elias-pleating"), and even today his models can be
regarded as technical (as well as artistic) milestones. Excerpts from his
notebooks can be purchased through the BOS. His models have also been part
of other origami collections, including the Harbin series.

Marc





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:22:20 -0500
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted
Bernie Cosell wrote:
> I guess to each his own definition of "fair", but it still seems hardly
> productive or useful to duplicate information that is already available.
> There's nothing really singular about a links-page, and I don't see how
> we're particularly well-served by having another.

I couldn't agree more.  But Joseph's site is not oriented towards
finding diagrams or model photos, but towards finding people.

> Wouldn't the origami community be better off overall if the BOS put their
> web-page effort into something previously unavailable rather than just
> duplicating what's already organized and available elsewhere just so they can
> have "we offer it ourselves" bragging rights?

I suppose the right thing to do would be set up a mirror site,
rather than do it haphazardly by hand.

> and so your efforts will just dilute his, which seems hardly sporting.  Far
> better, I'd think to -complement- his efforts and contribute something new.

Hear Hear!

I regularly search the email archive for David Listers wonderful
messages on a variety of topics (I was actually surprised to find
that he had not written a message focussed on Elias, though Elias is
mentioned in many of the messages).  I had actually thought about
extracting his messages and putting them on the web, but it was only
an idea, and I would think such a resource _ought_ to be at the
B.O.S. site.

Another idea for the BOS site is to have scanned diagrams from old
booklets on the web.

Now wait, before you get up in arms, consider why I'm suggesting
this:
    Many BOS booklets have been out of print for quite a while.  Out
of print booklets are not generating _any_ revenue for BOS.  Nor is
having the library out of print generating _any_ positive benefit.

    Heck, I would PAY BOS the regular fee (via credit card) to have
passworded access to scanned booklets, on a booklet by booklet
basis.  I'd even spring $200 for "complete subscription" to the
existing library and be willing to pay $5-$10 for new booklets.  And
this is above and beyound what it would cost me to subsequently
print out my own hardcopies (personal use only, just as BOS trusts
the folks it mails the paper booklets to not to copy).
                Why should BOS do this?
        No capital outlay to a printer to print up booklets.
        No depreciating stock of unpopular booklets tying up funds.
        Could contract out the web work, so that even people without web
access could have their materials emailed to them in GIF,TIFF or
some other pre-defined format.
                Why should BOS no do this?
        ?????

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: Barbra0336 <Barbra0336@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:55:33 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Request on bibliography of/info about:  Neal Elias

In a message dated 3/27/98 12:45:44 PM, you wrote:

<<   Can anyone tell me more about this creator ? Which books he
>published and things like that ? Is he still alive ? Where is he from ?>>

Take a look at SECRETS OF ORIGAMI, The Japanese Art of Paper Folding by Robert
Harbin on page 184.  There is a photo and short bit about him as well as a few
models for which he is responsible.
Barbara





From: Foldmaster <Foldmaster@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:09:40 -0500 (
Subject: Models sent

Dear Dorothy,

I thought I should let you know that I mailed to you by first class mail the
following models:  Malay Tapir, polar bear, tiger, and Father Christmas set.
I will keep the origami carousel here until you request that I send it to you.
All the models were carefully wrapped and placed in individual plastic bags
which were sealed and then placed into two boxes which were then sealed once
again in a larger plastic bag which was THEN placed into a larger box and
taped shut.

I mailed this box to you on Wednesday I think so it should reach you by early
next week.  Let me know when you want the carousel mailed out.  I will have to
dismantle it and have you set it up again on your end for the photo session.
I will try to photograph and number the photos so you will know how to
assemble and disassemble it for mailing back to me (I hope this is possible as
I would like to keep it to display at the next OUSA's convention).

Good luck.  And I hope El Nino isn't a threat for you!

Yours,

June

PS:  The tiger I sent was Montroll's striped tiger from his "Inside-Out"
origami book which was folded from duo green/burnt orange paper.  It is best
viewed from the side so please take care when positioning it for the photo
session.  If someone else's model is more suitable for your needs, please feel
free to substitute their work for mine.  My feelings won't be hurt.





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:14:09 +0100
Subject: Request on bibliography of/info about:  Neal Elias

Hi !!!

            I have seen lately a lot of references to Neal Elias, partly
because of his archi-super-famous "the last waltz" but also because of other

            Can anyone tell me more about this creator ? which books he
published and things like that ? Is he still alive ? where is he from ?

                Thanks.





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:24:58 -0500
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

>What a great idea. I too would support this idea (and be prepared to put my
> credit card where my mouth is)
>

Ditto for me!!





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:55:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

>studying
>the ancient lost art of full-contact origami."

    Just yesterday my son came home from school and mentioned that one of
his teachers had read a college admission essay to the class which said
something about 'full-contact origami', he and I joked around about what the
devil this could possibly be, (i.e. folding extremely large sheets of
paper?, turning failed attempts into spit wads?, 'throwing' yourself into
the work?) So... educate me... what is full-contact origami????





From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:30:22 +0000 (
Subject: Re: I Screwed Up - I Need Your Help!

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:50:30 -0500, Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
wrote:

>I borrowed a fellow folders copy of Mythical Beings (Jay Ansill) and I lost
>it. I am desperate to find a replacement copy.

I looked in the MX Bookfinder, http://www.mxbf.com/ and found one copy
at Salamander Books, http://www.abebooks.com/home/SALAMANDER/,
Salamander Books , 831 S. Milton Ave , Baltimore , MD , U.S.A., 21224,

Good luck,
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:26:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

You can find a copy of the essay in our archives.  Search for "origami in a
funny college essay!".

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj
-----Original Message-----
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 12:10 AM

>>studying
>>the ancient lost art of full-contact origami."
>
>
>
>    Just yesterday my son came home from school and mentioned that one of
>his teachers had read a college admission essay to the class which said
>something about 'full-contact origami', he and I joked around about what
the
>devil this could possibly be, (i.e. folding extremely large sheets of
>paper?, turning failed attempts into spit wads?, 'throwing' yourself into
>the work?) So... educate me... what is full-contact origami????





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:32:26 -0500
Subject: More Robins...

In addition to John Montroll's Robin and Joan Homewood's Robin, I have
found two other Robin models:
        Dukuotei Nakano's Robin (The Origami Companion Number 2)
        A. O'Hare's Robin (BOS Autumn '90 Bristol Convention Pack)

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:34:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Models Walt Disney would have hated!

Two more candidates:
        Herman van Goubergen's Gecko and Fly on a Wall
        Robert Lang's Mouse and Mouse Trap

    -D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:38:59 -0500
Subject: Nakano's "The Origami Companion"

At the '97 OUSA Convention, there were two issues of Dukuoheti Nakano's "The
Origami Companion" for sale, numbers 1 and 2.  Does anyone know who was selling
 them, if there were any still left for sale, and _most_ importantly to me, are
there any other issues out that (number 3, 4, 5...) or conversely if these
were the only two created?

Thanks,
        -D'gou





From: anne roberts <aroberts@FROGNET.NET>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:16:47 -0500
Subject: 1998 OUSA Convention

When is the NYC Convention this year?  Will there be a "process and
techniques day" on Monday as they have done in the past?  I haven't
gotten any info on it yet.  Should I be worried?





From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:11:36 -0500
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted
Joseph Wu wrote:

> However, if someone were willing to start cataloging the diagrams & photos
> available at each of the sites on my link list, it would be very easy to
> add that to the database. Indeed, someone could easily "take over" the list
> of links since all updates can be done via an administrative web page that
> I've already made (password protected, of course). Perhaps Dahlia would be
> interested in doing this?
>

Cool.  I'd be interested indeed.  I've also been snipping the various
pointers & tips on specific diagrams in books that people have trouble
folding & trying to arrange them in some intelligible fashion--nothing
comprehensive yet tho.  Why don't I start by doing the catalog Joseph
suggested & see where that takes us?

peace,

dahlia

[ps---my spouse just asked what i was writing, so i read this aloud &
realized I'd written "books that people have trouble folding"--any
origamists know of origami made from books???(:]





From: Richard Davies <richardd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:27:46 +0000 (
Subject: Business card frog

Can anyone offer a pointer to the (1 of 2?) business card jumping frog. A
 reference in the mail
archives speaks of one in the Origami Interest Group archives but there isn't
 one
there now..

Are there any other non-modular bus-card designs about (there is a lot of
discussion of modulars in the archives.)

Cheers,

Rich

Richard Davies                  Tel:    01454  207800  x8703
Software Engineer               Fax:    01454  207803
Zuken-Redac Ltd                 E-Mail: richardd@redac.co.uk





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:06:41 -0500
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

In Kenneway's "Complete Origami" there are two examples of "catalog
folding".  Every page in a catalog is folded and the opened in a circle with
the binding in the middle.  I believe the models make a 3-D christmas tree
and bell.

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj

-----Original Message-----
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 2:01 PM

>--any
>origamists know of origami made from books???(:]





From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:41:36 -0800
Subject: Re: 1998 OUSA Convention

anne roberts wrote:
>
> When is the NYC Convention this year?

        Saturday and Sunday, June 27-28
        with an orientation Friday evening, June 26.

> Will there be a "process and
> techniques day" on Monday as they have done in the past?

        It is in the planning stages now.

> I haven't
> gotten any info on it yet.  Should I be worried?

        No.  Information will come out at the end of April.

V'Ann
vann@lht.com





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:37:26 -0600 (
Subject: Re: NO: updated links ?

Joseph, I noticed this too.  But I like the opening screen of the site
at  http://www.origami.net/homes/jwu
(I think that is the correct URL)  Anyways, it is a fantastic photograph
of two tigers with black stripes and multi-colored paper.  Whenever I tell
people about origami, that is the link that I tell them about.  It is so
cool, please don't get rid of it!   If anyone has not seen this photograph
yet then you are missing out!  :-)





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:24:52 -0800
Subject: Origami Sighting?

Greetings,
       Tonight I saw " The Man In The Iron Mask" and I think there were
little origami boats in one
scene where there was moonlight coming in through the metal grating of the
prison reflecting on the
shapes that had been made from pages of a book.
Ria Sutter





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:34:16 -1000
Subject: full-contact origami

My guess is the "full-contact origami" is in reference to this article.
>
> The following was published in The New York Times.  This is an NYU
> college admissions application essay question, and an actual answer
> written by an applicant:
>               ------------------------------------
> QUESTION: In order for the admissions staff of our college to get to
> know you, the applicant, better, we ask that you answer the following
> question:
> Are there any significant experiences you have had, or accomplishments
> you have realized, that have helped to define you as a person?
> ANSWER:
> I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I
> have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making
> them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic
> slurs for Cuban refugees. I write award-winning operas, I manage time
> efficiently.
> Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row.  I can pilot
> bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook
> Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes.
> I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.
> Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single- handedly
> defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious
> army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the
> subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large
> suspension bridges in my yard.  I enjoy urban hang gliding. On
> Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of
> charge.  I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless
> bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy
> evening wear. I don't perspire.  I am a private citizen, yet I receive
> fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend
> passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling
> centrifugal-force demonstration.  I bat 400.
> My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international
> botany circles. Children trust me. I can hurl tennis rackets at small
> moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby
> Dick and David Copperfield in one dayand still had time to refurbish
> an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every
> food item in the supermarket.  I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I
> sleep in a chair.  While on vacation in Canada, I successfully
> negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery.
> The laws of physics do not apply to me. I balance, I weave, I dodge, I
> frolic, and my bills are all paid. On weekends, to let off steam, I
> participate in full-contact origami. Years ago I discovered the
> meaning of life but forgot to write it down.
> I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a
> toaster oven. I breed prizewinning clams.  I have won bullfights in
> San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at
> the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart
> surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis.  But I have not yet gone to
> college.
>      ----------------------
> He was accepted.

Aloha, Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
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From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:26:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Dorms at OrigamiUSA Convention

----HI!!! Jan!!

You sead
>     suites have two bedrooms, each with two single beds, and a
>     private kitchenette and bath.
Does the bath have a tub? I think I have asked befor..
I like the dorms.
Just thought I'd try agin. Hope all is well
Hobbit (Susan Dugan)

(jan_polish@colpal.com)





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:10:21 +0000
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> sez

>I regularly search the email archive for David Listers wonderful
>messages on a

>an idea, and I would think such a resource _ought_ to be at the
>B.O.S. site.

I agree & will approach David accordingly. Positive suggestions for the
site are *always* welcomed!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:21:13 -0800
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:06:41 -0500 Mike and Janet Hamilton
<Mikeinnj@concentric.net> writes:
>In Kenneway's "Complete Origami" there are two examples of "catalog
>folding".  Every page in a catalog is folded and the opened in a
>circle with
>the binding in the middle.  I believe the models make a 3-D christmas
>tree
>and bell.
>
>Janet Hamilton
>
>mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
>http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 2:01 PM
>Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted
>
>
>>--any
>>origamists know of origami made from books???(:]
>>
>
Behold I am de lurking,  We did catalogue folding when I was a kid.
"Readers Digest" worked the best and then we spray painted then gold or
silver and added glitter etc.

Judypag@juno .com

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From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:21:07 -0500 (
Subject: Re: about notes that kids write

In a message dated 3/2/98 10:34:57 PM, you wrote:

<<all>>

Each time I teach in a school, I like to make my classes total learning
experiences and at the end I ask each child to write a small paragraph telling
me how they felt about the class and giving me honest constructive critisism.
If there is no time before I leave I ask the teacher to have the kids do this
and then send them to me.  If I do a teachers seminar, I ask them to do the
same thing.  This has served to improve my teaching skills and the program of
models I choose to teach.  The notes are quite candid but nice and therefore
very helpful. Dorigami





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:42:29 -0500
Subject: full-contact origami

...the admissions exam essay
urban legend surfaces again. It's
been awhile since we've seen it on
the origami-L...

valerie





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:04:44 -0800
Subject: Re: Fuse spiral books

PIERRE,

I HAVE THE FUSE SPIRAL BOOK 1 AND HAVE LOOKED AT BOOK 2 BUT DO NOT CARE
FOR IT.  i LOVE BOOK 1 BUT THE SPIRALS ARE DONE BY CON BINDING UNITS.  i
GOT MY BOOK IN SAN FRANCISCO AT KINYKUNIA, AT JAPANESE BOOK STORE AND IT
WAS LESS EXPENSIVE IN DECEMBER THAN IT WAS IN JANUARY ARE THE BOTTOM FELL
OUT OF THE YEN AND THEY SELL THEIR JAPANESE BOOKS AT THE EXCHANGE RATE.
i DON'T KNOW ABOUT EUROPE BUT I BELIEVE ORIGAMI USA HAS THESE BOOKS
AVAILABLE.  YOU CAN LOOK UP THIS INFORMATION ON THEIR SIGHT IT WOULD BE
UNDER THE SOURCE.  hOPE THIS HELPS.

JUDY

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From: Vicky Mihara Avery <vavery@WENET.NET>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:53:32 -0800
Subject: origami sighting & food related too

Hi everyone -

This sighting is not only related to the "folding for food" thread a
while back, but also a slightly proud note of accomplishment .... (or if

I were to use Tom Hull-ese .. Vicky "tooting my own horn" Avery)

In the Fall Issue of Art Culinaire - an international restaurant
industry magazine (so it's not a mainstream publication), my friend is
one of the featured chefs and he used my origami parchment paper box to
contain and present his creation.  We developed the use of origami boxes

together when he was a chef at one of the hot San Francisco restaurants
- and wanted a special presentation for a benefit dinner for the Child
Abuse Council.  Since then, it's been so well received I think it's the
start of a new industry....

The model is Giovanni Maltagliatti's wonderful one piece box featured in

Paulo Mulatinho's book "Origami - 30 Fold-by-Fold projects."  The
magazine originally wanted to include the diagrams, but I was not able
to reach either Giovanni or Paulo in time to get an authorization.  So,
instead I offered to send a free sample by request, with information on
ordering boxes or diagrams - and in the meantime was able to reach
Giovanni to get his ok.  We've gotten several orders so I am making a
point of giving him a percentage of the sales of boxes ordered.

It's my little fantasy that I'll actually have time to put my website up

with photos to show you... well... I'll let you know.

Thanks for letting me "toot".

Vicky Mihara Avery
vavery@wenet.net





From: Rob Hudson <rhudson@NETRAX.NET>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:45:34 -0500
Subject: Origami Database

At 08:21 AM 3/29/98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:06:41 -0500 Mike and Janet Hamilton
><Mikeinnj@concentric.net> writes:
>>In Kenneway's "Complete Origami" there are two examples of "catalog
>>folding".  Every page in a catalog is folded and the opened in a
>>circle with
>>the binding in the middle.  I believe the models make a 3-D christmas
>>tree
>>and bell.
>>
>>Janet Hamilton
>>
>>mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
>>http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
>>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>>Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 2:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted
Hi everybody,

About a year ago, I put out a message regarding the creation of an origami
database. My focus was going to be on the model itself (e.g. "Cerceda's
Peacock"), and was going to allow a user to view an image of a finished
model, find out the complexity of the model, it's source (where it was
diagrammed), and the best paper to use, among other attributes.

I just began working on it again, and have an entity diagram and relational
table linkage set up in MS-Access.  If anyone would like to participate in
the design, construction, testing or entry for the system, let me know--
you get a free prototype! :)

I realize that someone has constructed a database of some type (rather
extensive, as I understand it).  Can anyone provide me with information on
this and other similar projects??

Thanks!

Rob





From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:21:00 -0500
Subject: Origami Sighting

This morning I was taking my turn in the crib room at church and one of the
almost-2-year-olds brought me a book to read to him.  It was "Big Bird
Visits the Sesame Street Library".  Big Bird sits through Story Time,
listens to talking books, plays with the blocks, and - learns origami!

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj





From: Judy D Pagnusat <judypag@JUNO.COM>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:41:25 -0800
Subject:

Origami sighting  "That's Life" last tuesday night ABC 9:30PM.  Lead
character is watching his very intelligent nephew for the day and is
saying they'll be busy watching the games on TV, the child's mom says he
is not into contact sports, he is into reading, computer games, chess and
origami.  The lead character tells the child to go upstairs and play his
origoo goo game and the child tells him it is not a game but the ancient
Japanese art of folding paper.  A friend of the lead comes over and the
child is asked to go to the kitchen and bring back some beers and fold a
couple of coasters. the friend asked if that means the coasters will be
smaller and more efficient.  The child returns with the beers and has
folded a swan for one man and a duck for the other man.

The show isn't very good but this was a extensive origami mention.

Judy

Thanks Valerie

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From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:10:33 -0800
Subject: Origami Database

The origami model index on the Origami USA web page
www.origami-usa.org
has over 5000 models indexed from the books on the origami
Source list.  We are close to bringing up an on-line data
form to enable people to input their information, adding
to the material available.

It also has a link to any site that has given permission to
display a model on another site, hence Maartin van Gelder's
mushroom can be seen if someone request information on
mushrooms.

If the search is entered on the item 'other' it will
search the database for any string entered.

The current work can also include non-published work but
I feel very strongly that any work that is pictured or
diagrammed needs the originator and diagrammer concurrence.

We also have not address the difficulty of confirming
links when it grows, i.e.. if someone's site is removed
there is no mechanism to alert us to enable the link to
be altered or deleted.

Ariel is pulling together the notes on the index and we
can arrange for you to have a copy, when it is ready.

Feel free to continue your work independently.  Your work
will have a different presentation and be very useful.

It seems to me that there are more than one dictionary
at the store.

Let me know





From: Pierre Hyvernat <Pierre.Hyvernat@CIPCINSA.INSA-LYON.FR>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:37:52 +0100 (
Subject: Fuse spiral books
Priority: normal

Hi,
I want to buy one Tomoko Fuse "spiral books." (in Japanese.)
I know there are 2, and I would like to have an idea of what's in
each of them. Especially, is there a lot of modular origami in one of
them (which one) or both? The reason is that I prefer single square
origami to modular.
Could anyone here send me a short index of the books, or/and a brief
description.

Also, I would like to know where is the best place to order them
from? (From the net, or via ordinary mail.)
This is important for me as I don't know of  any bookstore in France
(where I live) that would order them at a competitive price.

Thanks a lot.

Pierre Hyvernat
phyvernat@cipcinsa.insa-lyon.fr





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:14:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Fuse spiral books

Try the Sasuga bookstore in Cambridge, MA. I believe their web site is
www.sasuga.com.

>Hi,
>I want to buy one Tomoko Fuse "spiral books." (in Japanese.)
>I know there are 2, and I would like to have an idea of what's in
>each of them. Especially, is there a lot of modular origami in one of
>them (which one) or both? The reason is that I prefer single square
>origami to modular.
>Could anyone here send me a short index of the books, or/and a brief
>description.
>
>Also, I would like to know where is the best place to order them
>from? (From the net, or via ordinary mail.)
>This is important for me as I don't know of  any bookstore in France
>(where I live) that would order them at a competitive price.
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Pierre Hyvernat
>phyvernat@cipcinsa.insa-lyon.fr

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From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@INDIANA.EDU>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:33:52 -0500
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

Joseph,
While I agree with your assertion with regards to Origami societies, I
would respond that since each person searching for information is
unique, one site, no matter how well it is designed, and maintained
(your site comes to mind) will ever serve the needs of everyone.

Given the uniqueness of people, I would encourage anyone to make a site
if they wish.  But research here at Indiana University appaers to
support the conclusion that most (probably  over 60%) web users navigate
your site would qualify as a "major" site for Origami subject matter.
The fact that many people have sites doesn't bind you to link to them.
You appear to spend a fair amount of time in making sure that the sites
you direct people towards are quality sites (probably explaining why
your site is a major "subject matter" site), and I would hope you
continue that trend.

I also have some trouble folowing the argument that since Origami
Societies are best Local or National in scope, that having one site for
an international audience is the best way to go.  Based on that
statement, I would think that one site for each locality or nation would
be best...or maybe it's just to early in the morning here for me...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Wu [SMTP:josephwu@ULTRANET.CA]
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 4:55 PM
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: sites with diagrams wanted
>
        ___SNIP___

> Hardly naive at all. Origami societies work best in a local/national
> setting, not in an international setting. The Web is international in
> its
> scope, so having duplication makes little sense. I'm not trying to
> "defend
> my turf" here. If you want to do another list, go right ahead! But a
> link
> to my list would cover your needs very nicely. You can add to my list
> by
> emailing me new entries, or I could just give you access to my list
> admin
> page which would let you update entries on your own.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:20:20 -0800
Subject: Re: NO: updated links ? (was:Re: sites with diagrams wanted)

At 20:34 -0800 1996/3/27, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>One person at rec.arts.origami noted that Joseph's links at
>http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/ is NOT up to date at all.
>Joseph, what's up? Your site is hosted in at least four different
>places; which one is the most current, which one is obsolete?

The site lives at two different places, not four. The total number of
locations since the site's inception is four, but two of those are obsolete
(but still forward to the "main" site). The URL you give is the most
current. I know that not all of the links are accurate, but it should be
pretty good. I just did some overhauling of the links recently (last week).

(BTW, your mailer is still sending out mail dated 1996.)

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From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:26:25 -0700
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

Hear, hear, D'Gou. I was thinking that this discussion was much like the
discussion about moving our listserv to MIT. Everyone had an opinion, but
many of us were responding without benefit of real conversation (and I'm
guilty as charged) - that to and fro immediate response which allows us to
work through our differences and understandings.  I appreciated D'gou's
suggestion that what we need are content sites not links sites. So, Mr.
Robinson, when can we expect to see some of the wonderful work coming out
of the BOS? I for one would be very happy to see more diagrams, bios,
offers of downloaded files, etc.

(As an aside, responding to another message, I am not yet ready to spend
$200.00 to get access to diagrams. I may have 40 books or more in my
collection whose aggregate price is well over $200.00, but I have yet to
lay down more than about $25.00 canadian at a time.)

Sincerely,

Nigel Pottle
fowlerj1@cadvision.com
----------
> From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted
> Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 8:33 AM
>

I think there is some confusion between "creating a site" and
"creating a site of links."  I don't think anyone objects to
creating a site with origami content (diagrams, photos, text, etc.
etc.).  However, creating more pages that are nothing but links to
other pages only makes it harder to find the real content.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:33:02 -0500
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

Goveia, William P wrote:
> Given the uniqueness of people, I would encourage anyone to make a site
> if they wish.  But research here at Indiana University appaers to
> support the conclusion that most (probably  over 60%) web users navigate
> to most "subject matter" sites from just a few major sites.  I think
> your site would qualify as a "major" site for Origami subject matter.
> The fact that many people have sites doesn't bind you to link to them.
>
> I also have some trouble folowing the argument that since Origami
> Societies are best Local or National in scope, that having one site for
> an international audience is the best way to go.  Based on that
> statement, I would think that one site for each locality or nation would
> be best...or maybe it's just to early in the morning here for me...

I've been intending to respond to several of the other messages in
this thread, but didn't get to it before this one.

I think there is some confusion between "creating a site" and
"creating a site of links."  I don't think anyone objects to
creating a site with origami content (diagrams, photos, text, etc.
etc.).  However, creating more pages that are nothing but links to
other pages only makes it harder to find the real content.  I've
spent far too much time on the internet searching for information on
a topic only to get tangled in a web of "cool links pages" that only
link to more "cool links pages", and after trying to find real
content have simply given up.  Or I have hit sites whose maintainers
have "let go" and the links to real content are no longer active,
despite all the glitzy animated gifs and frames and other crap that
proclaims that the site is constantly under construction.  Sure,
everyone thinks that they'll keep their sites up to date, but that
is a lot of work and usually hard to get motivated to do.  So far I
think Joseph has done an above average job.  In any event,
encouraging people to create _just_ pages of links is simply asking
to create confusion and to make it harder, not easier, to find real
content of any kind (origami is not special in this regard).

I would hope we don't want to encourage creating more confusion!

The argument about locality/nationality vs. internationality was
based on the fact that the origami societies themselves are based in
the corporeal world, they have physical offices, papers, books, and
other resources of a corporeal kind... so that organizing those on
geographical principles is sound.  The internet is not a corporeal
thing, it is the flow of information... to and from the net,
screens, disk drives, etc.  It can be easily relocated without the
hassles of moving vans, trucks, or the magnitude of physical labor
it would take to move a corporeal entity.  Similarly, it can be
accessed internationally, usually with no penalty for crossing
local, state, or country boundaries.  The internet is a different
kind of "space" and it does not automatically follow that it should
be treated in the same way as corporeal organizations are treated.

-D'gou

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From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:45:26 +0100
Subject: Re: Request on bibliography of/info about:  Neal Elias

Re: Neal Elias

> >            Can anyone tell me more about this creator ? which books he
> >published and things like that ? Is he still alive ? where is he from ?

I was speaking to David Venables over the weekend. David was responsible for
diagramming many of Neal Elias's models, and was the diagrammer for the
collection of diagrams which the BOS published many years ago. I think there
is a short biography of Neal Elias in this booklet, which is currently out of
print (I keep hoping to persuade the BOS to do something about this).

David tells me that Neal is still alive, and that he is now very interested
in computers, his interest is origami has sadly ceased. To show us how great
a talent Neal Elias was, David taught us his wonderful bull (diagrams are in
the booklet mentioned above, but some steps have to be 'taught', they cannot
be diagrammed). David also says that Neal Elias does like to correspond with
people, and he has said that I may pass his email address to anyone wishing
to make contact with Neal Elias. Please email me PRIVATELY if you would like
Neal Elias's email address, but please note that he is no longer active in
origami.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:53:08 -0800
Subject: Re: NO: updated links ?

At 17:37 -0600 1998/3/28, Douglas Zander wrote:
>Joseph, I noticed this too.  But I like the opening screen of the site
>at  http://www.origami.net/homes/jwu
>(I think that is the correct URL)  Anyways, it is a fantastic photograph
>of two tigers with black stripes and multi-colored paper.  Whenever I tell
>people about origami, that is the link that I tell them about.  It is so
>cool, please don't get rid of it!   If anyone has not seen this photograph
>yet then you are missing out!  :-)

That site is no longer being updated. I'll add that photo to the gallery
soon, so you won't have to miss out on it. The correct URL is
<http:/www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca>. I'd like to change that to something
shorter, if possible.

Incidentally, KOMATSU Hideo, the guy who did that tiger, will be one of the
special guests at the OrigamiUSA convention this year.

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From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:41:55 -0600
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

There has been alot of discussion about links to diagrams, stating that
another page full of links is an exercise in futility.

I have yet to see a page of diagram links that is COMPLETE.  Most pages
of links are _site specific_, i.e..  here are the links to the diagrams
at OUR page (and maybe others).  There is not one site that has
EVERYTHING.  So throwing in my .02 cents every diagram links page helps.
This is the nature of the Web, moving away from it to one or two sites
that hold everything is taking a step backwards.

Let's set aside BOS content here (I am not a member or affiliated with
the BOS), if a BOS member asks "Hey can you all send me a list of
Diagram links, so I can create a new links page" why would everyone
just answer his questions.

Start the content issue in another thread, it would be much more
constructive, and less combative.

B R E T T





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:57:24 -0500
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

D'gou writes
<< I don't think anyone objects to
<< creating a site with origami content (diagrams, photos, text, etc.
<< etc.).  However, creating more pages that are nothing but links to
<< other pages only makes it harder to find the real content.

Hear, hear!

The point some of us were trying to make is *not* that BOS
shouldn't have a web site (with a picture of the Queen, the
Chunnel, nineteen origami London buses, a few "Nessies", or
whatever), but that we'd **prefer to see the time, space and effort**
used on *content* unique to the site, rather than on another page
of "links".

My favorite suggestion so far is working up something with David
Lister's wonderful essays about the history and people of origami.
Second would be diagrams or reproductions of out-of-print BOS
publications.

Pages about the many outstanding UK origami designers also come
to mind. I know some UK folks don't have web page space available
yet; perhaps BOS could put up a gallery showing some of these
people's work.

Maybe a page of UK origami sites and sources, and a few links
to *major* international sites and other national society web
pages?

Valerie Vann





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:02:14 -0800
Subject: Link Lists vs. Content Sites (was Re: sites with diagrams wanted)

Why does this feel like the year of origami/internet debates caused by me?

Doug Philips (D'gou) has answered William Goveia's points rather nicely, so
I'll just leave that point out.

At 08:20 +0000 1998/3/27, Nick Robinson wrote:
>If every origami site needed to been totally unique there'd be precious
>few of the about, surely? I'm happy to leave "links to other societies"
>etc. to you, but in the name of "getting people to origami quickly" will
>push ahead. It will make the BOS site more complete & that's sufficient
>motivation for me. There's always the faint chance that your list
>doesn't include every link known to man (or woman) ;)

At 11:41 -0600 1998/3/30, Askinazi, Brett wrote:
>There has been alot of discussion about links to diagrams, stating that
>another page full of links is an exercise in futility.
>
>I have yet to see a page of diagram links that is COMPLETE.  Most pages
>of links are _site specific_, i.e..  here are the links to the diagrams
>at OUR page (and maybe others).  There is not one site that has
>EVERYTHING.  So throwing in my .02 cents every diagram links page helps.
>This is the nature of the Web, moving away from it to one or two sites
>that hold everything is taking a step backwards.

But that's why a collaborative effort makes much more sense. As I've
offered before, I can make the admin program for my links page open to
selected individuals so that they can update the links as desired. A
centralised  list of links just makes more sense for easing search
headaches.

>Let's set aside BOS content here (I am not a member or affiliated with
>the BOS), if a BOS member asks "Hey can you all send me a list of
>Diagram links, so I can create a new links page" why would everyone
>comment back with "Why don't you do something more worthwhile".  Why not
>just answer his questions.

But the points ARE related, as Doug has already pointed out. The BOS has so
much to offer, but has limited resources. Wouldn't suggestions on how to
maximise the use of those resources be relevant?

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From: Boseditor <Boseditor@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:46:39 -0500 (
Subject: Contributions to British Origami

In view of recent exchanges about BOS Web Site just thought I'd mention that
as Mag Editor I always welcome hearing the views of members - no matter how
controversial - although you're liable to end up getting quoted in the mag.

Also - like all other mag and convention pack editors I'm always on the look
out for diagrams of cool and original models - simple or complex, pure or
otherwise, straight down the middle or just plain crazy. You don't have to be
a member to contribute in this way and as most of our members aren't on this
list it's another possible way of getting your work distributed around the
folding community. Currently the mag mails to over 30 countries worldwide.

Dave Mitchell





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:59:56 -0600
Subject: Re: sites with diagrams wanted

Let me rephrase that to say links to sites that contain diagrams.  Link
to the main site then find the diagrams on your own.

B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 12:03 PM

I've seen a lot of sites that specifically request you link only to the
master
page
for the site, for this and other reasons. And it cuts down on complaints
about
"broken" links, which in turn cuts down on Internet traffic.
