




From: LynelleV <LynelleV@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:33:29 -0500 (
Subject: can fold, dorms

Jeff,
I do not know if it is the same can, but a Japanese language Tomoko Fuse book
called (approximately) "boxes from one page (or sheet)" has a cylindrical box
with diamond patterned sides to strengthen it.  ISBN 4-480-87203-5
Hope this helps
Lynelle V
LynelleV@aol.com
lvanhorn@affinity.ccare.com

>>I tried to find a web page about this canning technique, but was
unsuccessful.  I have never seen this type of can myself.  Has anyone
seen a can produced like this?  Or does anyone know of a web site that
describes this technique further?  Or even shows a picture of such a
can?

Thanks!!!!!!!! Jeff
> Prof. Miura have an another invention...
> His invention is about "can" for coffee.  You can buy canned coffee in
> vending machine.(In Japan there is a lot of vending machines which
> causes a problem of waste electric energy.)
> These cans have cylndrical shape, you know.
>
> If you make folds to make diamond unevenness(It's to hard to say how
> this pattern without picture of it.) on a can, the can will become stronger
> against the force to crush the curved surface of the cylindrical can.
> Moreover the strength against the force perpendicular to a base of the
> can will hardly change. This cylindrical shape which has unevenness is
> called "PCCP shell" in technical term.
> I guess from the article that "PCCP" is pseudo-cylindrical-convex-polygon.

>>>I tried to find a web page about this canning technique, but was
unsuccessful.  I have never seen this type of can myself.  Has anyone
seen a can produced like this?  Or does anyone know of a web site that
describes this technique further?  Or even shows a picture of such a
can?

Thanks!!!!!!!! Jeff

> Jeff>Does anyone else know of any examples where Origami has given
> technology a boost?
>
> Prof. Miura have an another invention. I read about it in a sience
> magazine,"SCIaS"(published by Asahi Newspaper office on 12/06/96)
> which is
> written in Japanese. I don't know whether there is any book on it in
> English.  The article says that Prof. Miura published the paper about
> that in1969, but the name of the journal is not clear.
>
> His invention is about "can" for coffee. ..
> These cans have cylndrical shape, you know.
>
> If you make folds to make diamond unevenness(It's to hard to say how
> this pattern without picture of it.) on a can, the can will become stronger
> against the force to crush the curved surface of the cylindrical can.

Second:
>I haven't had that particular problem, but bringing a  "room freshener"
>might not be a bad idea...
>-D'gou
This would not help with the allergy problem at all - covering up the scent
does not remove the particles that I am allergic to (the allergy is more or
less an immune response to the chemicals in the smoke) - but thanks for the
try!

And thanks to everybody else with the dorm/suite/hotel suggestions!  It sounds
like the suite might not be too much of a risk if the dorms are supposed to be
non smoking anyway. I'm just a little paranoid about this - even an origami
convention is not worth a hospital stay!
Lynelle V
LynelleV@aol.com
lvanhorn@affinity.ccare.com





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:19:50 +0100
Subject: Re: Robin?

Joel,
At 10.51 18/3/1998 EST, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a nice robin for spring.  Any suggestions?

There is Robin Macey on this list. A handsome young man. That's what you mean ?

:-D :-D :-D

Roberto

PS Sorry Robin..... it was too tempting.....

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        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
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51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
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tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
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From: Davegchow <Davegchow@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:47:24 -0500 (
Subject: OUSA Annual Collections (again)

Greetings all..
        After reading about the OUSA annual collections, they seem like
     wonderful
things.  However, it seems a little bit pricey to get all of them, and being
that I have no idea what is in each one does anyone have a personal favorite
among them, or are they all equal and homogenous?  (If a person were to get
one or two of them). Thank you.

Have fun!

David C.





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:10:44 -0800
Subject: Re: Robin?

On Thursday, March 19, 1998 8:18 AM, DLister891 [SMTP:DLister891@AOL.COM] wrote:
> Do you mean that someone is robin me?

Maybe an earlier bird has gotten the worm...

> What species of robins do Americans put on their Christmas cards?

According to this website
<http://www.npwrc.org/resource/distr/birds/platte/species/turdmigr.htm>, the
 American
robin is "Turdus migratorius".

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Jim Cauble <jimc@SESSIONWARE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:39:58 -0800
Subject: teaching

<<How can I properly teach the many folds in
a simple introductory 10 minutes so
the students understand how to follow the form?>>

I did a quick instructional in my Japanese class just this Monday.  I
used the pigeon from a beginners book called Origami : Japanese Art of
Paper Folding By Tokinobu and Hideko Mihara.  It may be in other books
as well, but as Origami is only a hobbie for me, I wouldn't know.  I was
successful in my teachings, took about 10 minutes.  Given, I was
teaching other high school students, but it is a very simple model, good
for teaching.  Can be done in 4 to 5 steps depending on how you count
it...

 Hope this helps...  -Mel :)





From: Jim Cauble <jimc@SESSIONWARE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:39:59 -0800
Subject: !delurking

My name is Melanie.  I'm in 10th grade, and have done Origami only
minimally as a hobbie.  (Haven't had time for much, with school and all)
I found the listserver while looking for history of origami for a
project in my Japanese class.  David Lister was very helpful in giving
me information for my report (thanks again).
As of yet, I have done little origami more advanced than a crane,
although I did experiment today and came up with a simple model for a
tomato!  I would like to get into more advanced models, especially after
seeing some of the neat models on the net.  While receiving so many
messages on the listserver and so little time, I think I may have to
unsubscribe soon.  I haven't had time to check out any of the
recommended sites yet, but I have saved the messages, and maybe I'll
take a look at them over spring vacation.

-Mel





From: Jim Cauble <jimc@SESSIONWARE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:39:59 -0800
Subject: Re: introduce/delurking

> My favorite models are funny/unusual models like "When  Pigs Grows
> Wings and Fly" by Joseph Wu or "The Enterprise" and  "The Missionary"
> by
> Marc Kirschenbaum (the  models are great). I'll try "The Fluffy" next.
>
         I saw pics of these models on the net, but I did not find many
instructions for models of any kind.  Where would they be?  I'd love to
try them.
        - Mel :)





From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:18:20 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Robin?

Sebastian Kirsch has kindly pointed out that someone must have been using my
account to post messages to the list, clearly recognisable as not by me
because they are less than two pages long.

Do you mean that someone is robin me?

But I do have a query of my own: I'm sorry that it's non-origami, but I shall
not sleep until i know the answer.

What species of robins do Americans put on their Christmas cards?

David Lister.





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:37:28 -0500
Subject: can fold

Tomoko Fuses one piece "boxes" (cylindrical faceted boxes)
are not the same thing; the folds are decorative.

I'll have to dig my copy out, but there is a 2 volume set
of Proceedings of a conference on symmetry that contains
quite a lot of origami, and as I recall,  Prof. Miura was
one of the participants, along with Robert Lang and other
well known origami designers. The proceedings have papers
discussing "natural" faceted folds that result from sheets
collapsing, that are the ways biological entities (leaves,
moth wings) are folded and open as the entity matures),
structural folding systems, etc.

The set is quite expensive, $50-60US, but I believe Fascinating
Folds may still have some available. Or a university library
might have them.

Valerie Vann





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:41:54 -0500
Subject: OUSA Annual Collections (again)

Each annual now has 200-300 pages and every one has
one or two "favorite" things for me.

But I believe all the annual models are listed in
the Index of Models in the archive.

Hint for OUSA: put the designer and model index
pages of all the annuals up on the OUSA web page. :-)

The more copies of the Annual are sold, the more they
can print each year, and the price can go down...

Valerie





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@INFOSPACE-INC.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:05:05 -0800
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

Say! That's the name of my ice hockey team!

-g-

Way back when (At 03:05 PM 3/16/98 -0500), ID 601198 - Leslie Mitchell sent me
 this:
>How about "Crease Monkeys"???
>
>Leslie





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:17:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Robin?

David Lister, in another surprisingly short post, asked:
>What species of robins do Americans put on their Christmas cards?

I don't think I've ever seen one with other than the American Robin,
_Turdus migratorius_ according to Peterson.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

This subject line has been driving me nuts. I have a friend and
a sister both named Robin, so I keep thinking someone is asking
a question about one of them.





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:20:20 -0600
Subject: Re: another delurker

I work in St. Louis, and live on the East Side.

Good places for books are;

The Library, LTD. (Clayton)(they have almost all of the English titles
or can get them).
Borders (depends which store)
Barnes and Noble (depends which store)

Dick Blick in Fairview heights(IL) sells a wide variety of the artisan
papers similar to what is available at Fascinating Folds.
http://www.dickblick.com I have no affiliation with dick blick or FF.

B R E T T
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 2:02 PM

I guess this is too long, but too overdue.
Bonni Ledesma - any  other St. Louis folderphilians?
Bonni@crossroads.st-louis.mo.us





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@INFOSPACE-INC.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:56:22 -0800
Subject: Re: funny/unusual models

Not meant to be critical!

Maybe it's just my browser, but his site is very difficult to navigate. I looked
 for a 'Send comments to:' link so I could ask a question, but couldn't find
 one. The pages seem to be customized for a screen size/resolution far greater
 than my little 800X600.

But the worst part is that the directions/diagrams for the surfer are broken!
 The link to the second page of diagrams goes to the gremlin...

Oh well, cool site regardless...

-g-

Way back when (At 04:43 PM 3/18/98 -0700), Kim Best sent me this:
>Don't forget just about anything from Jeremy Shaffer.  You can find some of his
>models on the BARF homepage at  http://www.krmusic.com/barfup/barf.htm
>In addition his work has been in several of the Annual Collections. And
>hopefully there will soon be a book.....
>--
>Kim Best





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:31:32 -0500
Subject: Re: OUSA Annual Collections (again)

At 11:41 AM 3/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Each annual now has 200-300 pages and every one has
>one or two "favorite" things for me.

If you have no preference, buy the earlier ones first, as these are the
most likely to be sold out the soonest.

>Hint for OUSA: put the designer and model index
>pages of all the annuals up on the OUSA web page. :-)

They are there already (that is what Doug Philips used for his "worm" and
"robin" search.

Marc





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:13:30 -0500
Subject: Re: introduce/delurking

At 10:39 AM 3/19/98 -0800, Jim Cauble <jimc@SESSIONWARE.COM> wrote:
>> My favorite models are funny/unusual models like "When  Pigs Grows
>> Wings and Fly" by Joseph Wu or "The Enterprise" and  "The Missionary"
>> by Marc Kirschenbaum (the  models are great). I'll try "The Fluffy" next.
>>
>         I saw pics of these models on the net, but I did not find many
>instructions for models of any kind.  Where would they be?  I'd love to
>try them.

Go to ftp.rug.net/origami From there you will find various subdirectories
for origami diagrams. Marc





From: Eric Eros <eros@MOHAWK.ENGR.SGI.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:30:54 -0800
Subject: Re: funny/unusual models
Re:  Jeremy Shafer's BARF diagrams don't work for the surfer

>> The link to the second page of diagrams goes to the gremlin

Garrett,

        I didn't know, but do agree, that the pointer from the first page
of the surfer diagram goes directly to the gremlin.  However, you can get
around this problem.  If you are using Netscape, one of the "Option"s is
first page for the surfer diagram is

http://www.krmusic.com/barfup/html/surfette_p.1.htm

By typing over that "1" towards the end with a "2" to get

http://www.krmusic.com/barfup/html/surfette_p.2.htm

you will load the second page of the surfer.

You may do the appropriate retyping for pages 3 through 5.

--
Eric Eros





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:17:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Robin?

> What species of robins do Americans put on their Christmas cards?
>
> David Lister.

Order
     Passeriformes
Family
     Muscicapidae
Sub-family
     Turdinae (thrush)
Species
     Turdus Migratorius

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:19:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Robin?

> What species of robins do Americans put on their Christmas cards?
>
> David Lister.

I can't say exactly what you'll find on any given Christmas card but this
is the common American Robin.

Order
     Passeriformes
Family
     Muscicapidae
Sub-family
     Turdinae (thrush)
Species
     Turdus Migratorius

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:22:22 +0000
Subject: Rosaly Evnine
Priority: normal

Does anyone have Rosaly's latest e-mail address. My mail was just returned to
the address that worked just a few weeks ago. Please e-mail me privately.
Thanks.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Rick Bissell <rickbissell@NCWEB.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:37:51 -0500
Subject: believe it or not

Here's a strange story, and this one is true....

About five or six years ago I convinced a library in my area to replace
their missing copy of "Unit Origami".  When the book came in, I borrowed it,
made a few models, and photocopied a few diagrams that interested me at the
time for future reference.

Shortly after I made these copies, I became more interested in models of
animals and the like, and I didn't go back to my copies from "Unit Origami"
until last week, when my interest in modulars was rekindled by a fellow
"crease jockey" in our local club (Thanks, Amy!)

So I dug out my copies and started folding again.  I started putting
together the multi-unit bird tetrahedron assembly shown on page 141.
I also decided that it was high time that I purchased this terrific book,
so I ordered a copy from Fascinating Folds.

I finished the model about the same time that the book arrived in the mail.
Opening the book, I realized that I had forgotten about the wonderful color
photographs near the beginning.  I started looking through them and then
nearly fell over...there was a color photograph of the model that I had been
working on.  Incredibly, I had used the SAME EXACT COLORS that were shown in
the book!!!!  Somehow, my subconscious memory must have guided my hand when
I selected the paper.

- Believe It Or Not!

        -Rick Bissell
         http://www.ncweb.com/users/rickbissell





From: VVOrigami <VVOrigami@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:38:00 -0500 (
Subject: Re: OUSA Annual Collections (again)

No, I didn't mean the "Model Index"; I know it has been on the
OUSA page for ages.

What I wrote was:
>Hint for OUSA: put the designer and model index
>pages of all the annuals up on the OUSA web page

meaning put actual copies of the index *pages* from each
annual; usually there is more than one index (by designer, by
type, by subject).

Getting the same information for each volume of the index using
the "Model Index" is difficult and timeconsuming. First, the titles
vary, so you'd have to check the exact titles somehow, etc. The
"Model Index" is mainly designed for finding models by subject
or designer.

Valerie





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:38:51 -0600
Subject: Re: OUSA Annual Collections (again)

Actually I thought maybe you were refering to the front pages that show a
     picture of the model and name and author.  I think that would sell more
     books.  Shoot I'd even offer to scan the pages in for them if I lived in
     New York, but since I don't and only
Perry
Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/

>No, I didn't mean the "Model Index"; I know it has been on the
>OUSA page for ages.
>
>What I wrote was:
>>Hint for OUSA: put the designer and model index
>>pages of all the annuals up on the OUSA web page
>
>meaning put actual copies of the index *pages* from each
>annual; usually there is more than one index (by designer, by
>type, by subject).





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:10:20 -0500
Subject: Re: OUSA Annual Collections (again)

Valerie Vann indited:

+Each annual now has 200-300 pages and every one has
+one or two "favorite" things for me.

True.  I've found that the '95 annual has slightly more than average, but
without sitting down and looking through them all, I can't really compare.
I do know that everytime I got back and look through them, I see a model I
didn't remember seeing before.  And after a few years of folding, my tastes
change and models I wasn't interested in previously I am interested in now.  I
expect that to keep happening though.

+But I believe all the annual models are listed in
+the Index of Models in the archive.

So far as I know.

+The more copies of the Annual are sold, the more they
+can print each year, and the price can go down...

I still haven't heard anything about whether the '95 annual is really out of
print or not.  I haven't been able to get through to their web site today, but
that has been a problem with my end, I think.

So don't count on them being reprinted, though I agree with you, having the
table of contents scanned onto the web would be a great idea.  Esp. since the
later books had graphical contents entries.

But, for the sake of honesty, I have to say that there are a lot of models in
them for which I have no interest in folding, because they just aren't really
very good models.  They might be great inspiration to create, but when I think
of why I would recommend a particular year's book to someone, there are
usually only a dozen models that I think are really "worth it" to justify the
purchase.  Anyone expecting to get several hundred pages of (for sake of
example) Origami Sea Life level models is going to be very dissappointed.

-D'gou





From: Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:50:46 +0000 (
Subject: Re: Dorms at OrigamiUSA Convention
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:22:19 -0500, Marc Kirschenbaum
<contract@PIPELINE.COM> wrote:

>NYC, USA

Marc,

Are you sure NYC is in the USA? Some people have doubts.

Magda - formerly form NYC, now from Miami, FL, USA (though some doubt
this as well).
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:33:26 -0800
Subject: origami mention in movie

Greetings,

If anybody on the list has seen "Brassed Off", a movie about workers in an
English coalmine who play in a
brass band, they would have to be listening closely to hear the line about
origami.  The heroine in the film
walks in and asks if she's in the right place at the right time with the
right group and somebody replys some
thing like : "Well this aint the Tuesday night meeting of the bloddy origami
club!"  I'm sure I've misquoted,
but I did hear origami mentioned.  I thought it was a neat bit of trivia!

Ria Sutter





From: DonnaJowal <DonnaJowal@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:58:22 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Intro and dinosaur origami book

Welcome to the list Ka Leung!  I was very happy to hear that you love whippets
and greyhounds--Ronald Koh from Singapore created and folded a whippet model
for me a few years ago.  It's the only one I've ever seen.

Donna Walcavage





From: "Terrence M. Rioux" <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:58:48 -0500 (
Subject: Robin?

          David,

          The American robin is the bird commonly pictured on American
          cards.  It is considered to be a cheery harbinger of spring,
          although in many areas the species is resident year round,
          even as far north as Boston.  The species name is quite
          strange to those conversant only in colloquial English:
          Turdus migratorius.  (this meaning of 'turd' comes from the
          Latin 'turdus,' meaning 'thrush,' not the OE root meaning,
          well, you know...).

          Will you be coming to the New York or Charlotte conventions
          this year?

          Regards,

          Terry Rioux





From: Norman Budnitz <nbudnitz@DUKE.EDU>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:13:13 -0500
Subject: robins

David Lister asked:

>What species of robins do Americans put on their Christmas cards?

The American Robin (Turdus migratorius) is very closely related to the
Eurasian Blackbird (Turdus merula), Song Thrush (Turdus philomelus), and
Mistle Thrush (Turdus viscivorus).  They are all thrushes.

The cute/feisty little European Robin (Erithacus rubicula) actually belongs
to a completely different family of birds, the Old World Flycatchers.

Perhaps more than you wanted to know, but you tapped into my other
passion--birds.

Norm
-------------------------------------------------------------
Norman Budnitz          919-684-3592 (day)
nbudnitz@duke.edu               919-383-0553 (eve)

Dept of Zoology, Duke Univ, Box 90325, Durham NC 27708 (work)
4115 Garrett Drive, Durham NC 27705 (home)

PROGRESS: the victory of laughter over dogma.
(Tom Robbins, Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas)





From: "Terrence M. Rioux" <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:24:06 -0500 (
Subject: re - Interesting Paper Stories to Tell

          Yesterday was my birthday, one of those unwelcome milestones
          with a big '0' in it for which people usually give you
          large black balloons.  After grumpily crawling out of bed
          and getting ready for work, my darling wife presented me
          with a very large cardboard box to open.  My sleepy eyes
          popped open when the lid was up because -- and I had
          absolutely no clue she was doing this -- she had folded and
          strung for me 1000 cranes!  Wow!  She said she began the
          project last summer, folding 10 - 20 a day during breaks at
          work.

          Of course, at my age I guess I can use all the luck I can
          get!

          Terry 'creaky but I can still give my whippersnapper diving
          students a workout' Rioux





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:26:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Intro and dinosaur origami book

At 19:09 +0800 1998/3/20, giloun wrote:
>Hi everyone,

Hi, again, Ka Leung.

>Here is a little request:
>Can anyone suggest a origami book on dinosaur featuring triceratops and
>T-rex? I prefer complex and realistic models. I really want to fold a
>nice triceratops out of a single square.

Origami Fantasy by KAWAHATA Fumiaki. That's currently the best one book on
"realistic" origami dinosaurs.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: "Terrence M. Rioux" <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:28:32 -0500 (
Subject: Last Waltz

          Many thanks to those of you who generously helped me with
          Neal Elias' Last Waltz diagrams.  I'm still struggling, but
          I think I'll make it.

          Yesterday I received a postcard from Sasuga informing me
          that they have a new shipment of ORU #12 in stock, if anyone
          else is interested in this model.

          Terry Rioux





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:32:44 -0800
Subject: Re: What kind of "weird"? (long)

At 20:05 +0900 1998/3/20, Deborah Foreman-Takano wrote:
>Well, Don, you're right that "wierd" doesn't really mean
>anything if you're looking for meaningful explanations;
>and I hadn't intended for the usage to supply any cultural
>hints. :-) There could be a number of reasons for the non-
>participation of the Japanese community.

Yes, and here's another possible reason, drawn from my own experience:

When our local origami group discovered that there were paperfolders within
the Japanese community here in Vancouver, we tried to arrange for some
contact. The basic reply, though very polite (aren't they always?), was
that they didn't want us on their 'turf'. Origami is Japanese, they are
Japanese, we aren't, so...

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Marty Perrigo <mperrigo@MEMH.TI.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:39:12 -0600
Subject: Kawasaki Rose from OftC

Hi All,

I too am once again de-lurking.  I have been interested in origami since
childhood.  As with most, my first experiences were with the crane,
cootie catchers, and of course paper airplanes... my elementary school
had a couple simple books that I used to check out on occasion... though
I don't recall what any of them were.  Within the last year, I've
reaffirmed my interest in this wonderful hobby.  I've bought a few books
and visited many of the wonderful web pages.  I've also picked up on
money folds.... I've been leaving various tips over the past few months.
I think they are going over well.

I have been hunting for the infamous "Origami for the Connoisseur" like many
people, and have had no luck.  I have acquired a strong interest in
flower origami and would love the instructions for the Kawasaki Rose from
that book... I'd also be interested in locating other "realistic" flower
models.  Any help would be appreciated.  I'm also hoping Valerie will
complete her diagrams for the Magic Rose Cube.  I love the photos she
has on her web page (Of course if there is someone in the Houston, TX area
that knows how to make this wonderful model, I'd be grateful for a lesson).

Thanks for your time.... back to lurking :-)
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From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:23:19 -0800
Subject: Re: Intro and dinosaur origami book

At 07:09 PM 3/20/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,

(snip)

>Here is a little request:
>Can anyone suggest a origami book on dinosaur featuring triceratops and
>T-rex? I prefer complex and realistic models. I really want to fold a
>nice triceratops out of a single square.
>
>Ka Leung
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8193/

There are 2 really good origami books out there, "Origami Fantasy" by
Kawahata and "Prehistoric Origami" by Montroll. Montroll's book is probably
easier to obtain; it's published by dover, and could be ordered through you
local bookseller. Origami Fantasy is harder to get, and more expensive
(around $50 I think). You can obtain it through Sasuga or OUSA. I don't
have the ISBN, but I could get it for you if you need it.
Both books contained the models you are looking for. The models in
"Fantasy" are more complex and more diificult, but the results are nothing
short of amazing.

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





From: Rob Hudson <rhudson@NETRAX.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:26:52 -0500
Subject: subscribing

Hi all,

I'm trying to point my cousin to the subscription e-mail address of this
list, but I've forgotten how to subscribe.  Can someone enlighten me?

Rob





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:41:37 -0800
Subject: Re: Robin

David Lister, in another surprisingly short post, asked:

>>What species of robins do Americans put on their Christmas cards?
>
>I don't think I've ever seen one with other than the American Robin,
>_Turdus migratorius_ according to Peterson.

...and I would point out that the American Robin is a member of the
thrush family. The American Robins are rather large and plump birds, and
they typically hold their bodies in a more horizontal position than the
European robin (so I believe).

Lots of fat, happy robins dancing in the underbrush of the Sierras this
time of year....

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:25:25 -0500
Subject: Re: OUSA Annual Collections (again)

<<front pages showing picture of the model

No, I'd forgotten about that part of the Annuals;
having those on a web page would be great. But OUSA
has to do it; they're the copyright holders.

Valerie





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:32:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Last Waltz

Terrence M. Rioux wrote:
>           Yesterday I received a postcard from Sasuga informing me
>           that they have a new shipment of ORU #12 in stock, if anyone
>           else is interested in this model.

I folded one of The Last Waltz for the first time last weekend with a
coworker folding friend.  He thought that the ORU version of the
diagrams were much easier to follow than the "three page" diagrams that
have been floating around.  For whatever its worth.

-D'gou

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From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:55:52 -0100
Subject: Re: teaching

In last night's workshop, which had new folders ranging in age from about 6
to 70+,  I made a point of comparing each stage of the model to parts of
the body and acting out with gestures what the fold was doing-- e.g. in
waterbomb, fold the elbows in to the bellybutton. That helped a lot.
Karen
reeds@openix.com

><<How can I properly teach the many folds in
>a simple introductory 10 minutes so
>the students understand how to follow the form?>>
>
>I did a quick instructional in my Japanese class just this Monday.  I
>used the pigeon from a beginners book called Origami : Japanese Art of
>Paper Folding By Tokinobu and Hideko Mihara.  It may be in other books
>as well, but as Origami is only a hobbie for me, I wouldn't know.  I was
>successful in my teachings, took about 10 minutes.  Given, I was
>teaching other high school students, but it is a very simple model, good
>for teaching.  Can be done in 4 to 5 steps depending on how you count
>it...
>
> Hope this helps...  -Mel :)





From: Shawn Allen <teach_it@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:59:17 -0600
Subject: Re: origami mention in movie

origami os shown in the movie Bladerunner as well I thought that was cool!
-----Original Message-----
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 6:36 AM

>Greetings,
>
>If anybody on the list has seen "Brassed Off", a movie about workers in an
>English coalmine who play in a
>brass band, they would have to be listening closely to hear the line about
>origami.  The heroine in the film
>walks in and asks if she's in the right place at the right time with the
>right group and somebody replys some
>thing like : "Well this aint the Tuesday night meeting of the bloddy
origami
>club!"  I'm sure I've misquoted,
>but I did hear origami mentioned.  I thought it was a neat bit of trivia!
>
>Ria Sutter





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:28:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Origami Mail Volume - digest instructions
Priority: normal

On 16 Mar 98 at 16:38, Metzger, Jacob wrote:

> Edith (and all new to the list or the internet)-
>
> >> I enjoy the mail, but sometimes feel that I am inundated by the
> volume.
>
> The best relief for high volume of mail is to set the List to DIGEST
> mode. You will get one mail a day from the list server containing all
> the messages since the last digest.

I hate to be a pain in the @ss and, worse, extend this non-origami topic,
but I've often wondered about the worth of this advice.  If the problem is
the -size- of origami-l's traffic [that is, the actual number-of-bytes],
then for somewhat subtle technical reasons this is a correct suggestion:
the number of bytes in the digest you receive will be a -little- smaller
than the total number of bytes you'd receive to get each message
separately.

IMO, that's rarely the problem: usually it is the -number- of messages
[and the fun of being greeing by a mailbox with 800 messages in it, as I
was this morning...:-(]  [and I grant you, there is an ambiguity in what
Edith meant by 'volume', but I'd bet it *number*, not *size*, of
messages that's Edith's problem]..

Anyhow, if number-of-messages is your problem, then getting the list via
digest is either irrelevant or makes it worse in EVERY way that I can see,
and so I'm very dubious at making that suggestion to newcomers.  [it is
'irrelevant' if you have a fancy enough mail agent that'll "burst" the
digest and make it look like separate messages.  If that's the case, then
you're still in the same ballpark and have to deal with 240 origami-l
messages].

If your mail agent DOESN'T burst digests, then I dont' understand what
the advantages are of getting ANY mailing list via digest... I do see a
-lot- of downsides, including:
  1) replying to a specific message is tricky [and
     involves a lot of careful cut-and-paste]
  2) the messages can't be filtered and sorted [which most mail agents
      will do for you now].  The former is important because you can
      GREATLY ease how big the burden is of the traffic-load if you can
      "pre delete" certain classes of messages, etc.  The latter is
      *crucial* because it allows you to easily follow a single thread
      of discussion AS a single thread of discussion, instead of as
      random messages widely scattered through the digest.  It also allows
      you to skip a whole thread-of-dicussion if you're not intersested
      in it [which is a GREAT timesaver, probably the most important one]
   3) if you want a hardcopy of one message[.e.g, one with a diagram in
      it or something like that], you can just hit "print".  Doing that
      with a digest involves a LOT of cut-and-paste.
   4) If you want to save a particular message or thread, that's easy
      [you just do it].  [not so easy with a digest, unless you save the
      whole digest, and then two months later you'll have to guess why
      that behemoth is sitting in your savebox]
   5) if someone happens to send an attachment on their message [which
      you'll all heard us rail loudy and longly AGAINST, but still it
      happens once in a while], there's a good chance it'll be OK if
      you got the original message... it'll for-sure be trashed in the
      digest
   6) If a particular message uses a different character set [again NOT
      recommended, but it happens], your mail agent will be able to handle
      that for you; if it is just buried in the middle of a digest you'll
      be stuck [and you'll probably see some funny-looking stuff in the
      message, because your mail agent lost the info about how to
      interpret the character set]

Do some of you REALLY find it convenient/easier/helpful to do a digest?
I confess that I really don't see it, but perhaps someone who is a
digest-fan could help educate me, and in particular how a digest is better
for handling the mailing than just a decent mail-agent...

Now I agrant you: if you have a really lousy mail-agent [e.g., one that
can't sort all of origami-l into a separate place so it is weeded out of
your other email and then sort it], then digests still have the problems
above, but at least it'll get the origami-l traffic OUT of the way of your
other email...  I still think that that's a really last-ditch solution,
though: the much better answer is to get yourself a somewhat more-capable
mail agent and it'll not only make origami-l much much smoother and
better, but improve every other aspect of your email.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:35:11 -0600
Subject: Re: Intro and dinosaur origami book

Ka Leung asked:

>Can anyone suggest a origami book on dinosaur featuring triceratops and
>T-rex? I prefer complex and realistic models. I really want to fold a
>nice triceratops out of a single square.

I like John Montroll's Prehistoric Origami. It's been a few years since I
had it out of the library, but I was impressed with the detail that was
achieved with a single square of paper, without cutting. The models are
in the 100-step range.My favorites were the flying reptiles and the
stegosaurus, but the book does have a T-rex and triceratops. I think I'll
track down this book again!

Have fun!

Jane





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:04:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Kawasaki Rose from OftC

There is a whole series of origami books by Momotani:
"Spring Flowers", etc. They are not for novices, and
are in Japanese, but cover many many types of flowers
from Hydrangeas to Zinnias and wildflowers...

The Fascinating Folds online store carries quite a few
of these books, as does Sasuga.

Valerie





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:31:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Kawasaki Rose from OftC

>Kim's Crane just received the 4 seasons flower books by Monotani.  The
>series is divided into spring, winter, fall, and summer flowers. The
>books we carry are written in Korean.  They are the exact same books as
>printed in Japanese, including color photographs and English sub-titles
>on all the flowers.  The only differences are they are in Korean and
>retail for $9.00 a piece.  We do not yet have them on line but will
>shortly.  Their Japanese counter-parts sell for twice the price!

You might want to check if the Koreans have actually bought the rights to
translate and publish those books. I've seen too many cases where Korean
and Taiwanese publishers have simply translated books and published them
without buying the rights from the original copyright holder.

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t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:01:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Kawasaki Rose from OftC
>Yes, these books are legal!  These books all have an ISBN number and from
>what we understand they are printed legally.  I do understand your concern
>regarding misuse of copyright material.  This is a major publishing firm in
>Korea that printed these books.

Sorry, Kim. No offense intended. Just trying to be careful about this issue.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Robin

Ok.  I can't stand it anymore.  Is anyone else out there thinking "Monty
Python & the Holy Grail" every time this American v. European Robin
things is discussed?  {:

-peace,

dahlia





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:45:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Intro and dinosaur origami book

giloun wrote:

> Here is a little request:
> Can anyone suggest a origami book on dinosaur featuring triceratops and
> T-rex? I prefer complex and realistic models. I really want to fold a
> nice triceratops out of a single square.

Probably the definative book for complex dinosaurs is "Origami Fantasy" by
Fumiaki Kawahata.  The book is in Japanese, but the diagrams are in
Origamian.

Also of interest is "Prehistoric Origami" by John Montroll.  The models are
out of step with modern scientific thinking, but they are great none the
less.  The asymetrically folded stegasaurous is pure genius.

And for a really great Triceratops, check out Jerry Harris's diagrams at:
 ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/models/tritop/index.htm

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From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@ISODE.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:56:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Kawasaki Rose from OftC

mperrigo@MEMH.TI.COM said:
> I have acquired a strong interest in flower origami and would love the
> instructions for the Kawasaki Rose from that book... I'd also be
> interested in locating other "realistic" flower models.

There's a new Kawasaki rose, available at <URL:ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/>.
Variants have been taught at a number of conventions, so you'll probably find
many diagrams---the catch being to find *which* convention books to get, of
course!





From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:06:37 -0500 (
Subject: Japanese Attitudes to Origami. (What Kind of Weird?)

Don Connell wondered why the members of the Japanese community were so
reluctant to come to meetings of his origami society, known as TOFU.  It may
be  just the ordinary reluctance we all have to do something new or to get
involved or to emerge from our own cosy world. Dr. Solorzano experienced the
same thing in Argentina in the early years of the 20th Century. There was a
community of Japanese immigrants in Buenos Aires  who formed their own origami
society. Solorzano was also trying to form an origami group, but he found that
the Japanese and Argentinian folders remained quite separate and did not forge
any links between them. I get the impression, however, that Don felt there was
more to it than just this and used the word "weird" in describing the attitude
of his Japanese neighbours. I imagine "weird" is too strong a word. Perhaps
"unexpected", or even "funny" in Lewis Carrols immortal phrase, "funny-
peculiar" might be more appropriate.

We should be grateful to Deborah Foreman-Takano for her very interesting
contribution in reply to Don. From her e-mail address, it appears that she
lives in Japan and from her name, it seems she is at least part Japanese and
accordingly in a very good position to view Japanese attitudes objectively.
Her explanation of the three traditional levels in Japanese learning: SHU, HA
and RI is very illuminating.

Many of us have met Japanese and, perhaps inevitably, the subject of Origami
has come up. Usually our Japanese acquaintance has been able to fold the paper
Crane, something learnt at primary school. But that is all. It is surprising
how often I folded that cousin of the Crane, the Flapping Bird for Japanese
(non-origami) friends, much to their surprise and delight!

As Westerners, we have learnt about the traditional system of Japanese
apprenticeship in which the pupil attaches himself to a Master (Sensei) and
becomes obedient to him for an indefinite period of time, spending perhaps
many years doing menial tasks before being allowed to take up the particular
art or craft. While a pupil may, after a long period, become a master in his
own right, he never relinquishes his attachment to his master and is for ever
his pupil, at an rate in spirit. This is the source of the possessive attitude
that some of the older origami masters have had towards their former pupils,
which has led to them to resentment and jealousy when their pupils have
independently started teaching or publishing books of origami.

However, things have not stood still in Japan and attitudes and ways of
associating in the context of origami have been changing for some forty years
now, along with many other attitudes brought about by widespread communication
with the West. Origami is not in any sense a rare pursuit  for adults in
Japan.  In recent years there has been an enormous growth of interest in
Origami in the United States, something not yet paralleled in Europe or other
parts of the word . But until this rapid growth, the were many more
paperfolders in Japan than in Western countries. NOA itself had far more
members than any other Western country, except perhaps for Holland,and has
regularly produced a sumptuous origami magazine finer than anything in the
West. There are origami clubs or societies in many parts of Japan, and more
recently Origami Tanteidan has been formed to cater for the mainly younger
proponents of advanced technical folding.  There have always been countless
origami books for children published in Japan, but there have, in addition,
been numerous, well-produced books on paperfolding for adults, covering every
aspect of the art from advanced technical folding to modular folding and from
the history of Origami to the geometry of folding. Public exhibitions of
origami are commonplace in Japan and are organised both by origami societies
and by individual folders. Perhaps the most outstanding demonstration of
Japanese achievement in the field of Origami was the late lamented magazine
"Oru". It is impossible to say that Origami has only an insignificant place in
Japanese society.

The change in Japanese attitudes during the past forty years is well
illustrated by the experience of Toshie Takahama. In 1965. She was a member of
a Japanese party of paperfolders who visited New York for the  New York World
Fair. They were led by the distinguished Japanese master,Toyoaki Kawai, who
was very much the leader with Mrs Takahama very much in the background. The
group was entertained by Lillian Oppenheimer enabling the Japanese to meet
American folders. Despite the fact that she spoke fluent English, Mrs.
Takahama remained silent at the meeting, in accordance with Japanese
etiquette. It was not her place to take any initiatives. But she could
understand everything that was being said and made a mental note of
everything. She quickly understood how different from the Japanese were the
attitudes of American paperfolders, meeting in a free atmosphere and
exchanging models and teaching on a basis  of equal participation. When Mrs.
Takahama returned to Japan, she decided to form an origami society of her own,
following the lines of what she had seen in New York. So, in 1967, the Sosaku
Origami Group 67 was formed, the first Western-style origami group  in Japan.
The Nippon Origami Association., which followed soon after had a different
emphasis. It was formed by a group of businessmen and was a national
group of pupils meeting at the feet of their Sensei.

Despite all this origami activity, attitudes to Origami in Japan have, so far
as the general population is concerned, been ambivalent. Origami has never
held the status of some other recreations or crafts such as ceramics,
textiles, lacquer, doll-making and, interestingly, paper-making. Some
Westerners have confidently believed that Akira Yoshizawa has been appointed
Treasure". (Strictly speaking,  the term is applied not to the craftsman, but
to what he makes.). But this is not so. Origami does not hold sufficient
official status in Japan for such an appointment to be considered.
(Nevertheless, it should be pointed out that Yoshizawa has not gone
unrecognised. He has been honoured in another way by appointment by the
Emperor as a member of the Order of the Rising Sun.)

Even childrens Origami has not had unstinting support in the schools in
Japan.  Soon after the Second World War, Origami was removed from the official
curriculum because, it was contended, it was not a creative art and did not
stimulate the children sufficiently.  This is a long-standing misunderstanding
about paperfolding and it is true that if Origami is taught in an
unimaginative way, it results in children merely following a rigid set of
instructions to arrive at an inflexible result. The same criticism has been
made in the West. It has even been enshrined in UNESCO recommendations, but it
still comes as a surprise to find that the same ideas also apply in Japan.

Despite the strong tradition of childrens folding, which, in most peoples
minds,  dominated Japanese Origami until the 1950s, it is not true that until
the advent of Akira Yoshizawa recreational Origami in Japan was solely a
childrens recreation. Quite apart from the religious forms of paperfolding
and the ceremonial use of paperfolding in the form of wrappers or tsutsumi and
noshi, there have been two strands of origami in Japan, (three if the
Froebelian folding introduced into Japanese schools towards the end of the
19th Century is included). Childrens Origami has (apart rom a few
masterpieces like the Chinese Junk or Treasure Ship) always been simple, with
a limited number of traditional forms and it has been, for the most part
uncut. This tradition continues today in just the same way.

But parallel with childrens folding has been a different kind of paperfolding
pursued by adults. The first evidence we have of this is in the Senbazuru
Orikata (Folding the Thousand Cranes), a printed book dated to 1797.  This is
a book  which demonstrates many ways of folding linked cranes from specially
cut squares of paper. Of the same date and from the same school of folding
came the Chushingura Orikata, not a book, but a printed sheet, which gave
instructions for folding the personages from the popular play. Indications in
the Chushingura Orikata suggest that other books in the same series as the
Senbazuru Orikata may have been published, butm so far they have never come to
light.

A later window on the world of adult Origami is seen in Kayaragusa (popularly
known in the West as the Kan no mado), dating from around 1850. This is an
encyclopaedia of over two hundred volumes in manuscript of which two of the
volumes deal with both ceremonial and recreational Origami. The suggestion has
been made that some of the folds may have come from the missing volumes of the
Senbazuru Orikata  school of folding and that  Kayaragusa was a private
collection of knowledge compiled by someone for his own private use.

The folding in all these sources is far from the familiar traditional
childrens folding. It is much more complex. But its main characteristic is
that it is heavily cut, much more so than anything that would be found
acceptable by folders today.

Adult folding was carried on through the 19th Century and into the 20th
Century.  Kosho Uchiyama recalled that his grandmother, who was a lady-in-
waiting, was a keen paper folder. He regretted that part of her collection of
folds was destroyed in the Tokyo earthquake in  1923 and the remainder were
destroyed as a result of bombing in the Second World War. However, when
Kayaragusa came to light in the early 1960s, he was delighted to find that
some of his grandmothers models were the same as in that book. There was
clearly a long-lasting tradition of Japanese adult folding in the cut style.

Kosho Uchiyamas father, Michio Uchiyama published several books of origami.
He followed the cut style of origami, which he called "kirokomi" using based
where the paper was slashed or cut into deeply before folding. He argued that
this method divided the paper into sections which could be separately folded.
In fact, he contended, it saved paper. Michio had several styles of folding
and in 1931 a book of his work titled "Origami Kyo Hon" was published by
Naozo(?) Ishimi. It is mainly of Japanese figures resembling paper Hina dolls
and once again, the squares of paper are heavily cut before folding.

Kosho Uchiyamas own  first book, generally known as "Origami Zukan" was
published in 1957, the year following the publication of Akira Yoshizawas
"Origami Tokuhon 1". To some extent Uchiyama follows his fathers tradition of
cut origami. However, the book also contains some uncut childrens origami and
some forward looking new ideas, including an analysis of bases and a
forerunner of the later uncut style of folding variously know a "box folding"
or "box pleating". Origami Zukan seems to be for both adults and children and
with its publication at the same time that Yoshizawas work was coming into
prominence, we can se the old tradition of adult origami merging into the new.

Since  the 1950s, Japanese Origami has changed, just as it has in the West.
East and West have drawn closer together and we how have a shared tradition of
Origami or Paperfolding. But we still retain our regional differences and
Japanese Origami still has a characteristically different flavour from Western
paperfolding. So, too, do Japanese folders differ from the folders of other
countries. But, even if we must never underestimate them, the differences are
one only of degree and we should be proud of the way our pastime brings
together people from every corner of the World.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:25:09 -0500
Subject: Re: What kind of "weird"? (long)

Joseph Wu wrote:

> Yes, and here's another possible reason, drawn from my own experience:
>
> When our local origami group discovered that there were paperfolders within
> the Japanese community here in Vancouver, we tried to arrange for some
> contact. The basic reply, though very polite (aren't they always?), was
> that they didn't want us on their 'turf'. Origami is Japanese, they are
> Japanese, we aren't, so...

I can echo that reason from a very similar experience.  I can even
somewhat understand it, from a cultural imperialism point of view.

In the end, there isn't really much you can do to convince _anyone_ that
they should be your friend, no matter how much you think their reasons
for declining are mistaken or based on things you consider untrue from
your own perspective.  Without understanding the context they are coming
from, continued attempts could actually set you back further.

-D'gou

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:31:11 -0500
Subject: Re: robins

Norman Budnitz wrote, in response to an (alledged? ;-)) query by David
Lister regarding the species of robin portrayed on holiday greeting
cards, indited:

> The American Robin (Turdus migratorius) is very closely related to the
> Eurasian Blackbird (Turdus merula), Song Thrush (Turdus philomelus), and
> Mistle Thrush (Turdus viscivorus).  They are all thrushes.
>
> The cute/feisty little European Robin (Erithacus rubicula) actually belongs
> to a completely different family of birds, the Old World Flycatchers.
>
> Perhaps more than you wanted to know, but you tapped into my other
> passion--birds.

Maybe not.  Perhaps it explains the difference between Montroll's Robin
model and Joan Homewood's model, because they are of different birds, so
of course British folders would find John Montroll's model
unsatisfactory.

-D'gou

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From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:19:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Kawasaki Rose from OftC

Kim's Crane just received the 4 seasons flower books by Monotani.  The
series is divided into spring, winter, fall, and summer flowers. The
books we carry are written in Korean.  They are the exact same books as
printed in Japanese, including color photographs and English sub-titles
on all the flowers.  The only differences are they are in Korean and
retail for $9.00 a piece.  We do not yet have them on line but will
shortly.  Their Japanese counter-parts sell for twice the price!

Kimberly Crane

Valerie Vann wrote:

> There is a whole series of origami books by Momotani:
> "Spring Flowers", etc. They are not for novices, and
> are in Japanese, but cover many many types of flowers
> from Hydrangeas to Zinnias and wildflowers...
>
> The Fascinating Folds online store carries quite a few
> of these books, as does Sasuga.
>
> Valerie
