




From: Jaelle <jaelle1@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:41:54 -0600
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

David Foulds wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I was telling a friend of mine recently about origami conventions and
> how many of us would stay up late into the night, folding in groups.
>
> This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
> called - any ideas?
>
> Dave

A Tranquility of Folders?
Halcyon of Folders?





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <102354.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:43:43 -0500
Subject: A ??? of paper folders

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"This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
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        A ream of paper folders?

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From: Barbra0336 <Barbra0336@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:50:58 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Tribute to Sue Walsh

Thank you Diana for the lovely tribute to Sue Walsh.  I was touched by her
story, am honored to have been given one of her roses folded by a student and
was proud to have been able to send in some cranes.
Origami speaks profoundly through the quiet folds.

Barbara Ortiz





From: Barbra0336 <Barbra0336@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:53:11 -0500 (
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

A pad of squares?
Barbara





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:56:08 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

Dorothy Engleman indited:

> A panoply of paperfolders.

(How ceremoniously appurtenant of you!  ;-) )

Given the number of folders versus creators, maybe
        A following of folders.

I like the alliteration of:
        A folio of folders.
but one definition of folio is 'paper folded once.'  Not the mainstream
of origami, not yet anyways.

     origami group:
     mathematical study
     or NYC Spring?

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:02:28 +0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

Dave innocently inquires:
   >I was telling a friend of mine recently about origami conventions
   >and how many of us would stay up late into the night, folding in
   >groups.
   >This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
   >called - any ideas?

____________
A crinkle of creasers, of course. :)  Increasingly crumpled as the night
wears on...

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:30:47 -0500 (
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

In a message dated 98-03-12 13:52:28 EST, you write:

>  (Can anyone remember the medieval
>  hunting book that lists the nouns of ververy, or something like that?)

Don't remember the book title, but the word for hunting is "venery",
after Venus, the Goddess of the Hunt, a.k.a. Diana.
The word has the same root as "venereal", which does have a second
meaning, "having to do with hunting".

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:37:59 -0500 (
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

how about:   a fold of paper folders.
                   a foil of foiled folders!
                   a foundation of folders.
                   a foofaraw of folders.
                   a free-for-all of paperfolders????
                   a forum of folders!!!

Just my 6 cents,,,,, Russell.





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:45:50 -0500 (
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

flurry of folders!





From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:48:05 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Casting a critical eye on origami

In a message dated 98-03-12 14:30:05 EST, you write:

> We could just walk through the
>  exhibition area and talk about the models on display (only the ones that
>  people had asked to be reviewed, of course!).

If I ever get my act together enough to send something via the AASO
contingent, you are welcome to use my pieces as cannon fodder
for reviews, anytime.

Any suggestions for improving my e-mail style also gratefully considered.

Also, I apologize for not diagramming anything much for the last 10 years.

And let me take this opportunity to thank you, all, for ignoring
the several times I've accidentally sent to the list, when replying.
I figured it was too  obvious to need cluttering the list with
an apology each time. It was my fault, my fingers quicker than my memory.

Aloha,

Kenneth M. Kawamura  ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: Rick Bissell <rick@TRIDELTA.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:13:50 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders
>Received: from sparcy.tridelta.com (root@sparcy.tridelta.com
 [192.160.168.222]) by tdi3.tridelta.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14290
 for <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:11:21 -0500

>what a group of paper folders might be
>called - any ideas?

The Paperazzi !

--Rick Bissell





From: acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:24:03 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

how about "a rustle of folders"?

peace,
alasdair





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:28:50 -0500
Subject: Re: turtle

>
> I am new here.  I have been doing some origami for years and once knew how
> to do a turtle that I found in a book from the library.  The book has long
> since disappeared and I can no long remember how to make this turtle and the
> only other ones I can find are not the same turtle I remember with such
> fondness.  I think the book was John Montroll's "Animal Origami for the
> Enthusiast" but I am not sure.  Can anyone help me?  A few hints may be all
> I need to awaken this hazy memory.  Thanx
>

There is a wonderful sea turtle in one of Yoshizawa's books.

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimie.umontreal.ca           |





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:24:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Casting a critical eye on origami

>At 19:53 -0500 1998/3/11, Doug Philips wrote:
>>Could you be a bit more specific on what kind of review you would be
>>doing?  Something private with just the creator?  Something more public,
>>like a session on Monday...
>>As I have not created any models (that I'll admit to!)
> >Honesty will help me more than indefinite comments meant not to bruise my
ego or >>step on my toes.  I'm a pretty good folder, but not a great one.

    This sounds exciting! I, too, am not in the "creator" (personally, I
prefer the word designer) realm, but consider myself a 'good' folder,
knowing full well there is always room to improve. I studied Art in college
(received a BFA) and came to look forward to the routine review (critiques)
that were a regular part of classes. Early on they were sometimes difficult,
you put 'yourself' out there, in the person of your work, and it can hurt
your feelings, however, once you begin to accept the comments in the spirit
they are usually given, it becomes a valuable learning/growing experience. I
would welcome an opportunity to have my (folding) work reviewed/critiqued.
For the most part I fold here in a vacuum, my students are children (ages
6-10) and I constantly WOW 'em, (easy enough to do with little ones)... but
I'd love to get some realistic feedback, from people who routinely WOW, ME,
people whose work I find in the books I own, and people who I have met at
the all too infrequent group situtations I have been able to attend to date
(NYC '97, Southeastern Festival '96).
    More, more, I want to know more about the possibility of this happening.
I am most interested!
    Thanks!





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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:27:42 -0800
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From: David Foulds <fe320473@CR10M.STAFFS.AC.UK>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:48:50 +0000
Subject: A ??? of paper folders

Hi folks,

I was telling a friend of mine recently about origami conventions and
how many of us would stay up late into the night, folding in groups.

This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
called - any ideas?

Dave

--
David M Foulds
dmfoulds@bigfoot.com
fe320473@stmail.staffs.ac.uk
http://www.bigfoot.com/~dmfoulds





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:58:39 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

> From: Jerry D. Harris

> "This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
> called - any ideas?"

============

I don't know about that. But a wealthy person who donates large amounts of
money to one of these groups that folded models to give as charitable gifts
would be called a Foldanthropist.

:-)    Jeff





From: Jim Cauble <jimc@SESSIONWARE.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:26:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [NO Admin] Info for new members (was Re: Remove from list)

conflicting information...
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when I first subscribed, less than two weeks ago, I recieved a message
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From: ADan731534 <ADan731534@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:31:47 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Remove from list

Please remove me from your mailing list.





From: DON CONNELL <orig@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:52:54 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

How  about  "a fest  of folders" ?

                 Don





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:36:38 +0000
Subject: Re: strange solicitation - $2 Pantsuit
Priority: normal

> Thanks everyone.
>
> I think I should win some sort of prize for the most
> responses to a question. In addition to the ones sent
> to the list, three people e-mailed me privately.
>
> I'm glad to finally know the designer for this model---
> Rachel-it's one of my favorites. As D'gou and I agreed
> privately, one of the tragedies of easy & fun models is
> that they quickly get separated from the names of their
> sources because they get taught in restaurants and
> similarly informal settings.
>
> And, I guess I should probably invest in a Gay Merrill
> Gross book or two...
>
> Lisa
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
>
>

Thanks, but I hardly deserve credit for this one, it is a derivative design. I
just modified Takahama's original shirt to work with the dollar bill and made
it with an opening in which to insert the pants.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: LarryFinch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:38:32 -0500 (
Subject: Re: [NO Admin] Info for new members (was Re: Remove from list)

In a message dated 98-03-12 21:25:44 EST, you write:

> conflicting information...
>          The welcom message says the keyword is "SIGNOFF ORIGAMI"  but
>  when I first subscribed, less than two weeks ago, I recieved a message
>  saying the keyword was "UNSUBSCRIBE ORIGAMI".  Which is it?
>

Either one. L-Soft's LISTSERV is quite intelligent ;-)

Larry





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:46:43 -0800
Subject: Re: a ??? of paper folders

Hi fellow folders,

     I couldn't  resist adding my two cents to this latest tangent.  How
about a fanclub of folders/
folding fanclub or obsessive origamians?

Ria Sutter
sutterj@earthlink.net





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:46:45 -0800
Subject: biting fish

Greetings,

Jeff Ellis asked about books that tell about the transformation of a single
square as an origami story.  My
favorite ones are Folding Stories by Christine Petrell Kallevig.  I ordered
them from OUSA.  Her stories
inspired me to come up with one of my own about frogs, and I am toying with
a couple of other ideas for
children's books after doing workshops based on her stories.

Ria Sutter
a folding fanatic





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:11:51 -0600
Subject: Re: a ??? of paper folders

how about

A force of folders
A flock of folders
A host of folders
A drove of folders
A forest of folders
A pantheon of paper folders
A congenial conglomerate of creasers
A congress of paper folders
A pack of paper folders
A package of nuts

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:36:54 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Jeff Kerwood wrote:
+... a wealthy person who donates large amounts of money to one of
+these groups that folded models to give as charitable gifts would be
+called a Foldanthropist.

And a wealthy person who donates large amounts of money to be used to
study other wealthy persons who donate large amounts of money to one of
these groups that folded models to give as charitable gifts would be
called a Foldanthropologist Foldanthropist.

-D'gou the tongue (and brain) tied.





From: Mr.Mac@NETCOM.CA
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:11:29 -0500
Subject: Re: collective name

How about

a ream of folders





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:04:19 -0600
Subject: Dorms at OUSA convention

I am both looking forward to and dreading the OUSA convention mailing
because of my unhappy experience at the FIT dorms last year. The
convention, my first, was great, and I want to go again, but the dorms .
. .

I wonder if anyone shared my discomfort, or have I just spent too much
time at the Four Seasons to be able to tolerate dorm life?

My room smelled of stale cigarettes, and I eventually found cigarette
butts in the window track. The dresser and desk drawers had their sides
missing and things fell out. The bed was thoroughly uncomfortable. I
couldn't fall asleep, and since there was only the one fluorescent light
in the ceiling, I went into the hall and sat on the floor folding, so as
not to wake my roommate.

After the first night, I stayed with my father in Queens (which I won't
be able to do this year), and used the dorm room as a repository for my
origami things and my Balducci's shopping bags.

I liked my roommate, and I met some of her fellow Bostonians. Since I
came to the convention knowing no one, this was a big help. (I'm also
glad I volunteered at the home office a few days before the convention; I
met Tom Hull there, and he was quite helpful to me at the convention.
Thanks, Tom!)

Is the other dorm, the one with suites, more comfortable? And where are
those interesting late-night folding sessions I read about? Any other
advice from old timers?

Thanks.

Jane
Is she a snob or just a grouch? Is she really sending this?





From: Raven McKnight <raven-m@MAILCITY.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:39:09 -0700
Subject: Re: a ??? of paper folders

Well, since there are many of us, and we deal with paper, perhaps the group of
 us
is "a sheaf"?  With each individual being a page, a sheav/fer, a sheav/fee,
 etc.,
etc., etc....  Just a thought :)

     ~Raven McKnight~
       (New to the group, and already stickin' my nose         in anywhere I
 feel
like it <G>)

Get your FREE, private e-mail
account at http://www.mailcity.com





From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:16:15 +0100
Subject: Re: a ??? of paper folders

What about a Family of paper folders?

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@Student.kun.nl)





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1998 21:22:56 -0800
Subject: Tsuyadashi
Hiya,

please keep me posted on that jewelry coating. How much will the big
bottle cost, and how much would it cost to send it over to Switzerland,
where I live?

Thanks for the info,

Matthias

Kimberly Crane wrote:
>
> Kim's Crane in about a month (or less) will carry the jewelry coating
 Tsuyadashi
> in both 40g and 250g plastic bottles.  We will also carry a special washi glue
> in 180g plastic bottles.  If interested, please e-mail privately for more
> information to kcrane@kimscrane
>
> Kimberly Crane





From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:21:31 -0800
Subject: Re: a ??? of paper folders

A crumple of creasers.





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:35:50 -0100
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

A wad.

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:50:34 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

One who studies fold patterns would be a Foldologist.

Now all this humor is fun. Maybe we could also come up with a semi-real
answer. Someone who knows Japanese and/or linguistics might make up a real
and usable word.

Origami = Fold + Paper

What Japanese word could be merged with these to make another real word.
Like what is the Japanese for Group (or other appropriate word)? What would
this come out as in Japanese?
Fold + Paper + Group = Origami________
Group + Fold + Paper = _______Origami

Bye  :-)
Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:12:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Dorms at OUSA convention

Dear creasing coterie,

Jane Rosemarin complained about the quality of the dorms at FIT,
where OUSA's Annual Convention is held every June.  She also
asked about the quality of the (more expensive) suite rooms
that are available.

Re: Dorm rooms
        Yes, the quality of these rooms can vary.  The few times I've
stayed in them has been OK.  But there is only one light in the
room.  And these rooms are occupied during the school year by
undergraduate art students, so there may be traces of the
"wild life."  What I thought was the biggest drag was sharing
a bathroom with everyone else.  (They have one for men and one for
women per hall.)  Standing in line for the shower can be
annoying, even with origamists who fold their towels nicely.

Re: Suites
        These are much nicer, and I think it's worth the extra $10-$15
per night.  Each suite has a bathroom, a common area, and two
bedrooms, with two beds per room.  Thus there are 4 people in a
suite.  The floors are tiled, so there's less a chance of it
smelling like cigarettes.  On the whole they've seemed in
better contition than the dorms.  But it is still a college
dwelling, not the Hilton.  Most people who go for a suite
room hook up with four buddies and get a suite together.

Re: After hours folding.
        If you're ever at a convention and don't know where the
after hours folding is (or where anything else is!), please
ask one of the board members - the people running around with red
ribbons on their name tags.  (ANother identifying trait is the
large bags under their eyes from lack of sleep.)  There's
always one of us at the information desk.
        But the routine is: folding in the hospitality area (the
big room at FIT) till 1am.  After that they kick us out (literally)
and we move to the "common room" of the suite building -
it's named "Alumni Hall" or something like that.  It's one
building to the left of the dorms.  That's where people fold
all night.  (It's on the ground floor of Alumni Hall.)

I hope that helps!  I'm already excited about this June's convention.
International guests this year should include Sergei Afonkin (of Russia)
and David Brill, and I'm told that a gaggle of the young
Japanese contingency will be coming too! (I hope, I hope.)

------ Tom "I'm not a doctor, but I play one in my classroom" Hull
       Somerville, MA
       thull@merrimack.edu





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:17:14 -0500
Subject: Re: strange solicitation - $2 pantsuit

By all means get at least one of Gay Merril Gross' books, they are all
well done, with interesting models, clear diagrams, and great pictures,
but until you do here is a reprint of excellent text directions for the
dollar bill shirt, from Bob Lemieux, in a thread on origami-l almost
three years ago.
There are two versions, with and without pants! Enjoy!
Yaacov Metzger
jrmetzger@citgroup.com
***********************************************************************

Hi All
Requests have been made that "The shirt Off Your Back" instructions
be posted once again.
I will take advantage of this opportunity to add a pair of pants.

"The shirt Off Your Back"
Use a US dollar bill, with these instructions, for interesting results.
With Washington's head visible, hold vertically with the larger 1's
on the left and the smaller 1's on the right.
Valley fold bottom of bill to the center of Washington's nose.
Use the now visible white line between eagle's head and shield as a
center
line guide, and valley fold both vertical edges to center (Cupboard
fold),
Hold the dollar vertically, with the two large 1's on the back of
dollar now visible at top.
Fold each bottom flap out by making a diagonal valley fold going from
Washington's nose (now hidden) to each bottom corner.
This will result in an inverted V shaped opening from the
hidden nose to the bottom of the dollar bill, exposing the eagle.
The two flaps now sticking out from the sides will form the sleeves.
Horizontal mountain fold the top 1/4" to the back of the bill.
Place right thumb nail at top of bill half way between left top corner
and center of bill (3/8" from corner). Fold the corner down and
across so the tip touches the center -- this should make a valley fold
It should now look like one-half of a shirt collar.
Duplicate the valley fold on the top right hand side of bill.
Curl the bottom of the bill up and tuck it under the shirt collar
so that seal forms a bib.
Hold the collar firmly down on the bottom of the bill so it won't
slip out as you complete the crease. Press flat.
Now you can leave the "shirt Off Your Back" as a tip.
-------
Once you have folded the shirt described above you may wish to
add a pair of pants.
Do this by taking a well pressed shirt and completely unfolding it.
Now instead of folding the lower portion up toward Washington's
head, fold to the back of the bill so that it bisects the very
large letter "O" in the word ONE between the pyramid and the eagle.
Next use the previous creases as guide to refold the bill into a shirt.
If all goes well you will now have a shirt with the round Federal
Reserve seal under the collar and part of a serial number running
down one side.
The big difference is the opening in the bottom, permitting the
insertion of a pair of pants.

To make a pair of paints, take a second bill and fold it in half
in the long direction. Unfold and use the center crease and a guide
to valley fold both vertical edges to center (Cupboard fold).
Refold on the center crease, so that the bill is now four layers thick.
Fold in half at an angle so that the two ends are splayed apart next
to each other forming the legs of the pants.
Insert the folded end into the opening in the bottom of the shirt.

This adaption of the traditional shirt was developed by Rachel Katz.
It is diagrammed in detail on page 23 of:
Gross, Gay Merrill. "Art of Origami".
BDD Promotional Book Co., 1993. ISBN: 0-7924-6841-9.
(Note: This book is no longer published as "Art of Origami" - it is also
in the out of print "Origami Workshop" and in the in print "Origami
Creations")
Also included in the book are other appearance improving details
and variations.

Enjoy
Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:19:59 -0800
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

>>this come out as in Japanese?
>>Fold + Paper + Group = Origami________
>
>My limited knowledge of Japanese gives this
>'Origami-dan' as in tanteidan
>or
>Origami-guruupu (sounds familiar?)

From Kenkyusha's New Japanese-English Dictionary:

dan n. (1) a body; a group; a corps; a gang; a party; a batch; a bunch; a
company; a troupe. (2) an association; an organization.

butai n. a (military) unit; a corps; an outfit; a party; a detachment; a
squad; troops.

So "dan" would be a more proper form, but "butai" is sometimes used
colloquially to refer to an informal "bunch".

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From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:11:33 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

-----Original Message-----

>this come out as in Japanese?
>Fold + Paper + Group = Origami________

My limited knowledge of Japanese gives this
'Origami-dan' as in tanteidan
or
Origami-guruupu (sounds familiar?)

Sy  Chen





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:13:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Dorms at OUSA convention

Jane Rosemarin wrote:

> The bed was thoroughly uncomfortable. I
> couldn't fall asleep, and since there was only the one fluorescent light
> in the ceiling, I went into the hall and sat on the floor folding, so as
> not to wake my roommate.
>

Well there's your problem!  You don't sleep at these things, you just stay
all night and fold!

> Is the other dorm, the one with suites, more comfortable?

Probably a bit.  There is more room, and you do get a shower.  But if you do
get the suite, be sure and bring all you own stuff.  Bring your own towel.
Once you've dryed your hair, the towel they provide isn't good for anything
but wet folding. Bring extra blankets.  Bring your own toiletries.  And most
importantly bring a big shoe box for the models you'll make.

> And where are those interesting late-night folding sessions I read about?

Just hang around the hospitality area until they kick you out, then follow
the crowd.

> Any other advice from old timers?

Register early!  I mean fill out your form the night you get it, and send it
in the next day.  If you like to fold foil, bring your own, I hate the stuff
they give you.  And there is a great pizza place across the street.

--
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:26:15 -0800
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

>Thanks Joseph for your thoughts. Also thanks to Sy for your input. I don't
>know how much Japanese you know Sy and you say "My limited knowledge of
>Japanese ..." so I'm going to ask for anybody to give an authoritative
>evaluation of Sys Origami-guruupu. I'd be interested to know how it differs
>from Origami-dan and Origami-butai (see note below) .

Oops. Completely forgot to comment on that. "Guruupu" would be the katakana
form of "group", katakana being the Japanese phonetic set used to represent
foreign words that have been assimilated into the language. I don't see why
it wouldn't work, but it begs the question of why we would use it since
"origami group" is perfectly good. Bringing a word into Japanese and then
back into English seem slightly silly to me.

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Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:30:27 -0800
Subject: Re: (NO): Links from Joseph Wu's Web page (& the AOL browser)

I *think* I've got a working solution to the problem with AOL's browser not
being able to handle redirection, but I don't have an AOL browser to test
it on. If some of the people who were having problems (Valerie?) could test
this for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:18:41 -0800 (
Subject: Interesting paper stories to tell?

Hi!

I bought a small item in a store the other day and was pleasantly
surprised that my purchase was placed in a real paper bag and not
a plastic one.  I am especially pleased to find that the quality of the
bag looks like a nice candidate for folding.  It is thin, brown, with
narrow ribbing.  I cut it up in squares and I am "saving" them for just
the right model.  I will have to go back to that store...  Does anyone
out there have any good paper stories to tell?

                                              Marcia Joy Miller

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From: DMAWolf <DMAWolf@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:39:12 -0500 (
Subject: ?????? folders

Hi
A covey of crazed creasers--- ---who by 3 am will all be blintzed or sunk.
(after hours folders)

Under strange requests.  I had a high school sex education teacher who asked
for help with her bulletin board.  A little modification to some tadpoles and
well--------
Diana Wolf
Paper folding is easy it's the Origami thats hard.





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:18:44 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

Thanks Joseph for your thoughts. Also thanks to Sy for your input. I don't
know how much Japanese you know Sy and you say "My limited knowledge of
Japanese ..." so I'm going to ask for anybody to give an authoritative
evaluation of Sys Origami-guruupu. I'd be interested to know how it differs
from Origami-dan and Origami-butai (see note below) .

I don't recall if the original request was serious or humorous but I think
Jospehs Origami-dan and Origami-butai and Sys Origami-guruupu (pending) are
usable now - at least by me within the context of this group (although I
know better than to ask, "so which of these are we going to agree on as the
generic term we will all use?").   ;-)

Thanks to both of you.

Jeff K.
jkerwood@usaor.net

----------

Note: for reference - quote snippet from Josephs email  '"dan" would be a
more proper form, but "butai" is sometimes used
colloquially to refer to an informal "bunch"'.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:57:33 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Roberto Morassi indited:

+singing and doing other funny things. Last year they had a videocamera, and
+have produced an exhilarating "origami thriller" (ask Tom Hull for details,
+he was the main star !!!).

Yes, Tom, do tell.  Do!

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:09:54 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

Jeff Kerwood indited:

+I don't recall if the original request was serious or humorous but I think
+Jospehs Origami-dan and Origami-butai and Sys Origami-guruupu (pending) are
+usable now - at least by me within the context of this group (although I
+know better than to ask, "so which of these are we going to agree on as the

Ok, so since we're not voting, I'll vote for Origami-butai - except is that
really how it would be written, or would it, like 'kami' be changed in the act
of suffixization?

+Note: for reference - quote snippet from Josephs email  '"dan" would be a
+more proper form, but "butai" is sometimes used
+colloquially to refer to an informal "bunch"'.

I thought that was pretty funny, since the definitions seemed just the
opposite to me.  But now that we know -dan is 'group', what does Tantei
translate into?  (I know, I know, it doesn't, but I had to ask).

-D'gou the can opener.  (Hmm, maybe I should fold a can opener to put into my
name tag at OUSA this year....)





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:17:19 -0500
Subject: Re: strange solicitation - $2 Pantsuit

+Thanks, but I hardly deserve credit for this one, it is a derivative design. I
+just modified Takahama's original shirt to work with the dollar bill and made
+it with an opening in which to insert the pants.

Ok, how 'bout we call it the Takahama/Katz $bill shirt then?

-D'gou





From: VVOrigami <VVOrigami@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:46:14 -0500 (
Subject: Re: (NO): Links from Joseph Wu's Web page (& the AOL browser)

Joseph,

Just tried a couple of the links (LINKs page) using the "native"
AOL browser (not AOL+MSIEx).

The redirect links don't work in relative mode as you seem to have
them, but if I edit them to full path, e.g.:

http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/cgi-
bin/redirect.cgi?URL=http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall/origami1.htm

it does work.

Valerie
valerivann@aol.com





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:44:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Dorms at OUSA convention

Jane Rosemarin pondering OUSA convention accomodations indited:

+I wonder if anyone shared my discomfort, or have I just spent too much
+time at the Four Seasons to be able to tolerate dorm life?

Ah, there's the rub!  I too find the dorms a bit edgy, and like Tom
Hull find the one bathroom per floor to be the worst of it.

+couldn't fall asleep, and since there was only the one fluorescent light
+in the ceiling, I went into the hall and sat on the floor folding, so as
+not to wake my roommate.

Hmmm... I was in a suite last year and in addition to the overhead
central light there were table two table lamps in my room, perhaps
those were accidently left by students though.

+Is the other dorm, the one with suites, more comfortable?

Depends on what you call comfort.  The beds are the same crap as in the
dorms.  So far my back hasn't complained about it, and hauling your own
bedding takes up a lot of suitcase room.  Hmm, I wonder if one of those
inflatable air mattress for camping wouldn't work though... but I don't
remember how abrasive the "box springs" on those beds were.  Either
dorms or suites mean sharing sleeping quarters unless you spring double
for the fee.  The best aspect of the suites is the bathroom.  A close
second is having a kitchen with table, sink, fridge and cupboards.
(See below).

+Any other advice from old timers?

Hmm, I'm no "old timer", but maybe I recall my first conventions enough to
generate a "wish I had known" list:
        Bring something to carry you models around and home in.  They
give you a bag but it has no structure to keep models from getting
crushed.  If you can pack things in it on your trip to out, so much the
better!
        Bring your own snacks if you can.  Pack them in the box(es)
mentioned above and you'll have that space free for models on your way
home!  Food is expensive in NYC compared to most places, esp. prepared
food.  I bring peanut butter crackers and granola bars to snack on
during the day and during the late night folding sessions.  Saves on
trips to restaurants and the FIT cafeteria.  I'd rather spend my money
on paper/books/etc.!
        If you can, try to bank up on sleep before you arrive.  One
year I was in England on business and flew straight into NYC the Friday
of the convention.  Having been out of my native time zone for only a
week I hadn't adjusted and did not sleep well the entire week before
the convention, I went into the convention with a serious deficeit.
Avoid that if you can.  Its also hard to do a vacation with a nonfolder
immediately before during or after a convention.  Before/during you're
attention is torn.  After a convention you are too physically wiped out
to be much company. ;-)
        If you are in a suite, use the fridge!  Buy big bottles of soda
at the nearby grocery instead of buying cans at FIT.  A travel mug with
sealed top (preferrably insulated) can keep your whistle whet during
the day, and you're close enough to run over to the room for a refill
at lunch.  Buy a bag of ice at the store too.  I don't think they
supply ice cube trays (maybe by accident), and I wouldn't want to use
the ice from them anywho.  Any kind of breakfast food that needs little
prep, but might need refrigeration can save you on breakfast costs.
You might want to accompany folks to breakfast anyway and just have a
minimal expenditure in exchange for the company. ;-)
        Close attention to the weather can help minimize excess
wardrobe.  I count on being able to get the yearly Tshirt to supply me
with one day's top, assuming it'll be warm enough outside.
        A backpack makes a nice addition to the bag OUSA supplies (if
not a complete replacement).  Esp. if you want to make excursions into
the rest of the city for books/paper/etc.  Even if you don't, it makes
carrying paper much easier.  Try to find a nice sized model box that will
either fit in or attach to the backpack for use while at the convention.
Anything not permanently attached to you should have your name on it
somewhere, preferrably not easily removed.
        If you have a paper tube already, bring it if you can, it makes
a great way to bring back cool papers in large sheets without having to
fold them just to get them packed up.  You can buy tubes at an art
store (if it hasn't closed) only a block away from FIT.  Be sure you
konw the size of your suitcase and leave room for the tube to come back
if you don't pack it out with you!
        As others have mentioned, bring your own towels and
toiletries.  Also bring a robe and a few hangers.  It helps to have
some way to hang your towel up to dry.
        Label everything, take notes.  Chances are you'll forget
people's names faster than you think.
                Note to OUSA:  It would be REALLY COOL if there were
                one of those silly photo booths handy, you know, four
                pictures for a dollar (OK, this is NYC, maybe it is
                more expensive now), where you get your pictures right
                away.  It would be a great way to record faces/names
                together.
If you learn a model that you don't get diagrams for, document it.
You'll forget the name of the creator, model and person who taught it
to you faster than you would think too.

        And of course:  HAVE A GREAT TIME!

        -D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:51:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Dorms at OUSA convention

I wrote:

+Hmm, I'm no "old timer", but maybe I recall my first conventions enough to
+generate a "wish I had known" list:

Oy vey, I sent that note off in haste without properly credits!  I'm am
indebted to Mette Pederson for a great deal of advice.  I'll have to
dig up old email and see what I've forgotten.  I also thank Mette,
Courtney Spooner, Tom Hull and Joseph Wu for making me welcome and
providing advance as well as "on site" advice.  I hope I have and can
live up to their level of friendliness.  (BTW: If I fail to recognize
anyone from the list in person, its probably cause my memory is keyed
to email addresses and not names!)

Rob Hudson had set up a "convention prep" website last year, I don't know if
he will revive it this year or not...

-D'gou





From: morpha <morpha@COLUMBIA-PACIFIC.INTERRAIN.ORG>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:53:51 -0800
Subject: Re: Interesting paper stories to tell?

Does anyone
> out there have any good paper stories to tell?
>
Last year, I got a wacky idea while at a fireworks stand.  The paper
labels on packages of pyrotechnical devices are easily removed, thin,
colorful, and will hold a crease well.

My favorite fireworks dealer operates the year round from a grocery
store at the tiny Shoalwater Indian Reservation at Tokeland, Washington.
When I made a pre-Fourth-of-July trip to purchase fireworks, I asked the
owner if he could save me the labels from fireworks.

Two months later, I visited the store again to find that he had saved me
a small box full of beautiful foldable paper.  Next time I get up that
way, I will be taking along some firework-label origami to leave at the
store.

It is wonderful to be amazed by the generosity of strangers!

Cathy Nist





From: PErick3491 <PErick3491@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:37:51 -0500 (
Subject: Re: (NO): Links from Joseph Wu's Web page (& the AOL browser)

I, too, am having problems with that browser, but am not as computer literate
as Valerie.  Still, I'd be willing to try.  Pat





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:19:03 +0100
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

Hi !
At 17.48 12/3/1998 +0000, you wrote:

>I was telling a friend of mine recently about origami conventions and
>how many of us would stay up late into the night, folding in groups.
>This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
>called - any ideas?

Unconventional... of course ! I would say "Madsociation" or "Circle of
squarists".......

That reminds me of the Italian conventions (CDO), where there is invariably
a group of people who spend the WHOLE night folding, chattering, playing,
singing and doing other funny things. Last year they had a videocamera, and
have produced an exhilarating "origami thriller" (ask Tom Hull for details,
he was the main star !!!). They call themselves "Quelli della notte" (Those
of the night), you can easily identify them from their eyes at breakfast
time..... ;-)

Roberto

>
>Dave
>
>--
>David M Foulds
>dmfoulds@bigfoot.com
>fe320473@stmail.staffs.ac.uk
>http://www.bigfoot.com/~dmfoulds
>
>
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From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:19:06 +0100
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

D'gou,
At 13.56 12/3/1998 -0500, you wrote:

>I like the alliteration of:
>        A folio of folders.
>but one definition of folio is 'paper folded once.'

So change it to " a polyfolio of folders". I wouldn't dare to say "a
polio"..... >:-(

Roberto
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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:31:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Interesting paper stories to tell?

Cathy Nist indited:

+a small box full of beautiful foldable paper.  Next time I get up that
+way, I will be taking along some firework-label origami to leave at the
+store.

Cool.  I for one would be interested to know what models you make from
it, please send a followup!

+It is wonderful to be amazed by the generosity of strangers!

Yes it is.  And it is wonderful to see the reaction when you're on the
giving end.  I see that most when I leave origami for a tip, and if I
leave a money fold, I always leave it in addition to the normal tip I
would have left, so that the recipient doesn't have to unfold it if
they don't want to.  I sometimes give away models I've folded on the
bus/trolley to fellow passengers, if they express any interest.
Sometimes you can have a win-win exchange, like you're planning to do.
minutes please, my bratty spoiled kid might get a microsecond of
pleasure out of it before crumpling into an origami avalanche" [I
exaggerate, but only slightly ;-) ] thread.  I often find it hard to give
origami away to anyone who has watched it being created.  In part
the problem is that I don't also carry around boxes to protect and
carry the finished model in, but for flat origami that doesn't explain
it (a book or paper makes an acceptable temporary protector/carrier).

-D'gou





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:23:09 +0100
Subject: Re: ?????? folders

Diana,
At 18.39 13/3/1998 EST, you wrote:

> I had a high school sex education teacher who asked
>for help with her bulletin board.  A little modification to some tadpoles and
>well--------

>Paper folding is easy it's the Origami thats hard.

I hope there is NO relationship between these two sentences...... ;-)

Roberto
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From: Rjlang <Rjlang@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:52:31 -0500 (
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

>
I don't recall if the original request was serious or humorous but
> I think
Joseph's Origami-dan and Origami-butai and Sy's
> Origami-guruupu (pending) are
usable now -

So would a gathering of young Hungarian folders be a Budai-butai?





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:03:48 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

I vote for "Origami-guruupu";
then every member can be
an origami guru.

valerie





From: LynelleV <LynelleV@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:51:32 -0500 (
Subject: OUSA dorm

Hi OUSA-convention experts -
Can you tell me, is there any way to get a totally NON smoking room at the
con?  I am getting a bit worried about this.  I had intended to go to the next
OUSA convention (it would be my first), but somebody (Jane?) recently
mentioned that their dorm room, the last time they attended, smelled of
cigarettes.
I am severely allergic to tobacco smoke, to the point that if I breathe it for
long I land up hospitalized.  I cannot possibly stay in a room that "smells of
cigarettes" for more than about 20 minutes.  Nor could I room with a smoker
roommate, even if they did not smoke in the room.
Are there any hotels very close to the convention, where I could get a non-
smoking room, and still be within reasonable distance of the convention?  I
don't know NY at all.
Thanks for your input.
Lynelle Van Horn
LynelleV@aol.com





From: Ran Chermesh <chermesh@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:31:36 +0200
Subject: First book/net material on origami

Hi,
        I would like to supply my grandson a basic source on Origami,
whether a book or an internet link.
        Can you suggest a clue?

                        Ran

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From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:14:53 +0100
Subject: Italian Convention (20th anniversary)

Hi all !

I'm glad to announce officially that the annual Convention of Centro
Diffusione Origami will be held at Castel San Pietro Terme (near Bologna)
from December 5th to 8th, 1998. This will be a special event, celebrating
the 20th anniversary of our Association which was "invented" from nothing by
Giovanni Maltagliati and me, in that summer of 1978....

Those wishing to attend can have a look at the CDO webpage for updates
(http://www.essenet.it/cdo), or contact Sara Giarrusso (papersar@tin.it) for
help and additional details.

Roberto
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From: DON CONNELL <orig@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:24:25 -0500
Subject: Re: OUSA dorm

One way to have a nonsmoker for a roomate is to have somebody you know
doesn't smoke go to the convention with you and be your roomate. When I
went, I had a room by myself and had no problems at all. My room was
fine, no smoke, etc..

Don





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:56:43 -0500
Subject: Re: OUSA dorm

I suggest that you write/phone the OUSA home office
(see their web site) and explain that you can't
even stay in a room where someone has been smoking
(the furniture, drapes, wooden & plastic surfaces
especially will be full of tobacco smoke residue).

Apparently the Institute where the convention is held
permits students to smoke in the rooms and possibly
other areas; ask about that, and also ask whether
during the convention there is a possibility of
having smoking occurring in the convention public
areas, adjacent rooms, etc.

valerie





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:53:20 -0500
Subject: New Origami Friends

I am glad that Deborah Foreman-Takano and KUGA Takako have shared their
knowledge and insights. I look forward to many more of your thought
provoking postings.

I have noticed that people have been delurking a lot - hurrrray! And we
have some new people who have just found / joined our group - welcome. I
have been thinking for some time we should have an "Origami-email-dan
deLurker Day". So much information is shared here and I am thankful to all
of you who do share, but you can never have too much of a good thing (no I
don't really want to defend that statement  ;-)  ). I really enjoyed Debi's
introduction and I'd like to meet other of you lurkers too. Some of you may
really want to stay in the background and that's ok - but I would invite
all you other lurkers to introduce yourselves.

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:54:34 -0500
Subject: "Floating" airplane

Someone asked, then answered, a question about an airplane that "floated"
above a piece of cardboard. I woke up (after a weird origami dream - I
tried to fold a piece of paper but it wouldn't bend then all the other
piece in the room jumped up and flew around the room - yes I had tried and
failed to fold something the day before) and a thought came to me. What
about creating a thermal updraft by preparing the cardboard by covering it
with heating-pads. When you use it you'll get an automagic updraft. What ya
think about that???  ;-)

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:56:30 -0500
Subject: Solid Solids Warning

In an earlier email I mentioned that I got some GREAT gold paper backed
foil called Sold Solids. Well, I have gone back and bought more and it was
not the same. I have to warn you, that to the best of my judgement, I got
THREE different papers under that name. All three were gold paper backed
foil but folded VERY differently (two were good but one was crap). I didn't
want you to follow my previous advice and end up getting the crappy paper
(and hating me forever  ;-)  ).

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net
