




From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:47:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Searching the archives [Re: When can you give or sell origami?]

Lisa Hodsdon wrote:
> Kenneth Kawamura apologized for not checking the archives first.

> Please remember that all connections to the net are not equal.

...

> Of course, there's another way that involves e-mail instead of the net:
> Quoting from Maarten's admin posting:
>    >Send a message to:                        origami@www.rug.nl
>    >with in the body a line saying only:      faq
>
> I find that the e-mail search is usually plenty fast enough *and* I can
> use my computer for other purposes while I wait, which isn't true
> (for me) if I do the search via the web.

Agreed!!!  Maarten's email search is amazingly fast (usually I have
results in less than five minutes!).

One caveat:  So far as I know, neither the web nor the email archive
search facilities are updated instantly, so it can take a few days from
the time a message is sent to the list until it shows up in the
archives.

> On the other hand, it's probably time to talk about how to decide
> when and what to hand to interested people again----there's lots
> of new people on the list & someone may have something new and
> interesting to say about this...

I'm not sure when you mean by this, all told.  Some topics just
naturally come up over and over again.  I usually learn something new
each time.  I don't think there is any harm in asking someone to search
the archives.  That could be used or misconstrued as "Yah young whipper
snappers don't know nothing, why we hyper analyzed that topic 15 years
ago, git on over to the archives and be quiet!" but that isn't the
intent, so perhaps we should be careful in how such responses are
worded!  The flip side is someone new who is too lazy or arrogant to do
their own research.  This list is better than some that I'm on in that
regard.

But maybe I missed your point altogether, so I'll just stop now.

-D'gou

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From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:59:03 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

> It seems to me that we need to consider more than the cost of supplies when
> charging for origami that we have folded. If it takes fifteen minutes to

Oh certainly.  I am just talking about the occasional request as opposed to
the serious artistic endeavor.  I generally don't have a good place to put my
models, so if someone wants to give them a home, they are more than welcome to
them.

J.B. Raasch





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:09:17 -0500
Subject: Re: rotary paper cutters?

Gerry -

>> Has anyone here used a Martin
>>Yale rotary?  They are less money and don't look too bad in the
photos.
(http://www.xmission.com/~ozone/rotar.htm)

As a matter of fact, I just bought the Martin Yale 330 last week, the 30
inch model, for $100 + shipping from
http://www.dr-shredders.com/Trimmers/. It's OK, the cutting mechanism is
not totally enclosed and a bit flimsy, and it takes a little practice to
get a clean cut. But it seems to be the best value. 30 inch rotatrims
cost well over $350 . I almost went with the Dahle "Safe and Easy
Cutter" , 33" cut, 20" board  for $228 plus shipping, but decided it was
a bit steep for my needs at the moment. (The Martin Yale is 30" cut, 14"
board). Dr. Shredder warned me that the M.Y. is not as well made as the
Dahle, and he seems to have been correct. But it's relatively sturdy,
and it works. The MY weighs only 14 lbs, vs. at least 26 lbs. for the
Dahle, and since I'm going to be dragging it in & out of a closet to
use, lighter is better. It cuts three sheets well, six is too many for
it. Good luck!

Yaacov Metzger





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:21:29 -0400
Subject: [NO] Meta-Origami-l [Re: Searching the archives]

D'gou wrote in response to me:
>> On the other hand, it's probably time to talk about how to decide
>> when and what to hand to interested people again----there's lots
>> of new people on the list & someone may have something new and
>> interesting to say about this...

>I'm not sure when you mean by this, all told.

Part of my reason for my statement was that it's not always enough
to go search the archives, or even if you do, there may be no harm in
asking a question anyway. Yeah, I'm with you all the way on avoiding
long discussions of copyright issues for each new member of the list
who thinks there might be some money to be made here. But searching
the archives for "how do you feel about being asked to give away
your work" may not find relevant postings (what would you search
for anyway?) and misses a potentially interesting conversation.

>I don't think there is any harm in asking someone to search
>the archives.

Yep. I agree. I often do so in private. Still, posting directions for
archive searches to the list is a good thing to do. I guess the real
reason I felt touchy about this particular case is that I know Ken,
and I have a pretty good idea of why he's asking about giving
things away---and it's not *just* people who have no idea what
kind of work goes into good folding. I've drooled over (but not on)
some of his models, and one of my prized models is a $bill model
he designed and folded which I received in exchange for some
left-overs from a party. (Thanks again!)

>perhaps we should be careful in how such responses are worded!

It's always a good idea to remember that *people* are reading
what we write.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:30:13 -0500
Subject: Re: rotary paper cutters?

In response to the rotary cutter querey, I should mention that most of
these cutters come in various sizes. The shorter cutters are a lot cheaper,
and are more naturaly sturdy. By cuting a paper folded in half on itself,
you can effectively double the cutting length anyway, and the cutter is
much less cumbersome to use (and store, for that matter). Incidently, I use
a 24" Rotatrim.
Marc





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:31:07 -0600
Subject: Re: creating origami jewellery

Nigel asked about making jewelry more rigid. Here's what I do:

First, I collect the rigid, but flexible, clear plastic that sometimes
covers boxes of Christmas cards or fancier take-out food (the bottom of
these containers is usually black). You can probably buy sheets of clear
acrylic at art supply stores, but I haven't looked for these for many
years.

I usually coat the front of the origami model with Das varnish (a
modeling-clay glaze) or acrylic medium (three coats, in either case).
Sometimes I use Krylon spray varnish.

Then I use my plastic. I trace my model through the plastic using a paint
marker, which adheres well. I cut inside the markings, so that the
plastic is slightly smaller than my origami. If I make a butterfly, I cut
out one piece of plastic for each side, so the finished brooch won't be
too flat.

I then mix some 5-minute epoxy and glue the plastic cut-outs to the back
of my origami. When the epoxy is set, I mix a new batch and glue on the
pin. In the case of butterflies, The pin joins the two sides and supplies
enough rigidity.

I have read descriptions of models dipped in polyester resins. It sounds
like this technique results in a sturdy, plasticised, and probably
transluscent model.

The advantage of my technique is that the visible part of the model does
not have to be heavily coated. One could simply use a matte spray
varnish--or nothing. The disadvantage of my technique is that if the
epoxy is too thick, it will seep into the first layer of paper (which may
or may not show), making it transluscent in spots.

Two good discussions of this topic are:
"Sealing and Preserving Origami Models" by Mark Kennedy. In Decorating
and Enhancing Paper for Origami (1994), published by and available from
OUSA.

Origami: New Ideas for Paperfolding by Gay Merrill Gross. I seemed to
have misplaced my copy, so I can't check it now. It's out of print,
anyway, but perhaps her new book, Paper Creations, which contains much of
the same material as New Ideas, includes the information on preserving
models.

Have fun!

Jane

>I wanted to attempt some origami jewellery and
>have decided to start with a pin. I used some lovely soft kami and am
>pleased with the object, but now I need to know how to make it look
>permanent! At an art store it was recommended that I use Liquitex - I
>bought some, and a brush, and did three coats - it was stiffer, but not
>stiff enought in my opinion to handle multiple pinnings.





From: EMA DIANE <EMADIANE@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:38:22 -0500 (
Subject: Download Difficulties

I subscribe in digest form and could not download the 9 Mar to 10 Mar Digest.
I'm on AOL. Anyone else have similar problems?  I kept getting a "file not
found" message. But then I would find the file on my disk using MSWord, only
to open it and find 13 pages of gibberish and symbols! What gives? Thanks for
any help and guidance you can provide.

Diane Kleinman





From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:06:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Download Difficulties

Joseph Wu wrote:
> Diane, there were no errors reported here on the server end. Sounds like a
> problem with either AOL or your computer (were you disconnected while
> downloading mail, for example?). You cannot get another copy of the digest,

If/When you and Anne get around to making a newer friendlier archive
mechanism, it would be cool to be able to retrieve messages based on a
-D'gou

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From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:31:20 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

V'Ann Cornelius wrote:
> But to just give away art encourages the understanding
> that the skill is for entertainment not for art.

This is one of the big challenges in popularizing origami, at least in
the U.S.

'Real' art has critics.  The OUSA panel on creativity held at the OUSA
'97 convention danced around the issue of evaluating origami.  If those
in the art itself are reluctant to cast a critical eye on their work, we
cannot _expect_ that non-practitioners should.  This is a big can of
worms, but now might be a good time to open it, given the proximity to
the next OUSA convention.  This isn't a uniquely USA problem either...

> If the requester is not interested in folding a few
> folds to understand the process, then the person is
> a collector and needs to understand that things of
> value have a cost [either of time or money].

Excellent framing!!!

The craft side of origami suffers from the same devaluation as do many
other crafts.  Just check out various "arts'n'crafts" exhibits at
shopping malls, or flea markets.  Lots of labor is sold for very cheap.
Perhaps a lot of it know is machine made, but the value asked, and
payed, is very low.  As J.B. Raasch noted, this is "natural state
capitalism" though that isn't inherently bad, the "value" of art is not
always financial.  ASCAP has a great system for collecting money for the
stuff played on the radio in the US, the "value" metric becomes
complicated, since the direct consumers, listeners, do not pay.  There
is a rather amorphous feed back that "pollsters" weild, claiming
popularity, which determines what gets played, which determines who gets
paid, and roundly-about, what is being valued by the public at large.
So not all art is valued by immediate financial transactions.

> he made it many years ago. He didn't know who
> to give it to. He wanted me to take it since he
> felt that I understood what it was.

;-) Great story!

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From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:22:21 -0800
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

> My problem is more like:
>
> "Can you email instructions for making that?"
> (sometimes with no please, thank you, or reply if I do
> send something)
>
> "Gee, that's neat, show me how to make one"
> (Implication: that should take about 15 minutes)
>
> :-)
> Valerie

I've gotten that! Usually written by someone who apparently
has LOST THE CAPS KEY ON THEIR KEYBOARD.

Bit bucket city, here it comes!

Mark





From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:50:28 -0500
Subject: Origami sharing - is it lopsided?

Valerie Vann wrote:

> "Can you email instructions for making that?"
> (sometimes with no please, thank you, or reply if I do
> send something)

If that request is delivered by email, it could be the notorious
"internet effect" (the lack of face to face feedback that oft stimulates
courtesy), or merely an implied courtesy of familiarity (rightly or
wrongly presumed familiarity)...

> "Gee, that's neat, show me how to make one"
> (Implication: that should take about 15 minutes)

This is a whole 'nother can of worms (hmmm, the can opener seems to be
working quite well at the moment)...

Related, but I think distinct from the issue of "artistic value," is
this issue of "creator-ial value"...
But I think both issues of valuation spring from a common root of
unpopularity.

I've only been doing origami for four years, so my knowledge of the
history of origami is not direct, and if I err in my history I hope that
I am corrected!

My understanding is that when the Origami Center of America was formed
that there were maybe a few hundred people worldwide who were folding
intensively, at least enough so that they managed to link up and form a
small, friendly, and "beleagured" international group.  The tradition
then, based on the need to spread the word/fold as fast as possible was
to teach anyone, anywhere, anytime (The Michael Shall school of Origami,
to take a flamboyant example).  Diagrams were scare, systematic analysis
of origami was in its infancy, and international tensions over stolen
models flared up occasionally.  Yoshizawa was in a self-imposed exile,
maybe a few other creators were too.  But most of the folding activity
was happening and based on an ethic of sharing that valued a process of
folding and teaching that was as much social as anything else.  Diagrams
were made to record models that others had invented and step folds were
kept for the same reason.  Yoshizawa and Randlett worked out a coherent
system of drawing diagrams that was a giant step over the mish mash and
confusion of the day (and which sadly are not yet universally used).
Origami diagrams were published in the Origamian, various books were
written, though often they didn't cross international boundaries (or
large bodies of water).

There seemed to be an isolation of the Japanese books and models from
Western folders, and visa versa.  While models were being created at an
ever increasing rate, finding new models meant sharing new models, and
the only apparent control was as Yoshizawa embodied it, to withhold
models from any interchange at all.  For at least a while, books were
few enough that most folders could expect to own, or find in libraries,
most of the books in print.  None the less, an ethic of sharing diagrams
seems to have been as strong as an ethic of sharing teaching of the
models.  I wasn't part of it, so I can't say how much cross
fertilization of creativity was catalyzed as a result.  A "Whoa, Mega
Cool Model" reaction might be followed a few minutes later by a "hmmm, I
bet I could do that too" and creators might be able to reverse engineer
each others models from sight alone, learn something as a result and
then raising the bar a level or two in turn.  But I have heard very
little about copyright considerations in any of the historical writings
and ramblings that I have been exposed to, the histrionics of
international theivery not-with-standing. ;-)  So not only have we
little historical precendent for artistic evaluation of models (at least
wide spread and public), there doesn't seem to be much, if any,
historical precendent for dealing with valuation of creatorship either.
Not just widespread copyright violation and a lack of discussion about
it, but also the nature/tendency to see a model, which can be truly
stunning in complexity or simplicity, and yet often the 2nd, or even
1st, reaction is "Cool, can I have the diagrams?"  and it is
understandable that the creator of that model would find that reaction,
if not demeaning, at least not very encouraging.

I'll stop here and take a breather for historical comment and
correction.  Please!

-D'gou

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From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:55:24 -0800
Subject: creating origami jewelry

Greetings,

Nigel Potter wanted to know about preserving origami jewelry.  Through trial
and error I've discovered that
epoxy, resins and most other types of glazes are toxic, messy and can ruin
the paper by leaving some or all
of it transparent.  If you use high quality washi paper it is strong enough
and beautiful enough to last on
its own, and many museum shops sell it that way.  If you must coat it with
something, I suggest a water base
jewelry glaze by Delta that I brush on my jewelry because it isn't toxic or
messy and doesn't ruin the washi.
Jan Fodor's advice about a Japanese lacquer "tsuyadashi" sounds like a good
bet too!

Ria Sutter





From: Maldon7929 <Maldon7929@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:08:25 -0500 (
Subject: Searching the Archives (Another Option)

Remember; Alex Barber's search engine is still available at
http://www.the-village.com/origami/listserv_search.html.

I ran a test search by date (03/01/98 to 03/04/98) and found 69 messages in 15
seconds at 7:00 PM PST (prime time).  Modem speed 31K

Possibly this engine is more compatible with AOL????

Maldon





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:59:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Model requests

Oddly I haven't had a whole lot of trouble about model requests, but then when
     someone says wow thats cool can you make me one.  I sit down and explain
     how much of my time and effort are in volved and how long it will take
     before I can finish it for them.
If they are willing to wait, I'll make it if I can, if it requires materials
     cost I explain and collect up front the cost.
Works fer me.
Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net





From: morpha <morpha@COLUMBIA-PACIFIC.INTERRAIN.ORG>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:01:05 -0800
Subject: Re: files and storage

Wow Tricia!  I wish I could be one tenth as organized as you. I have
rolls of uncut artisan and wrapping paper in my kitchen and in my
closet.  Kami and other cut squares fit into a large tupperware box.  I
usually give away models almost as soon as I fold them, but I have a few
around in baskets and tins.

It nearly makes me drool with envy, thinking about all your wonderful
origami supplies, neatly filed and put away!

Oh for more space.

Cathy Nist





From: LlamaCo <LlamaCo@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:25:23 -0500 (
Subject: Re: creating origami jewellery

Hi,
   There is something called Jewelry Glaze -- made for paper jewelry. It is
available in most craft stores & makes the paper stiff.
    You can also use   Petal Porcelain  -- two coats -- then spray with two
coats of a sealer - either gloss or matte finish -- these are also in your
local craft store.
    Hope you can use some of this info.
         Mary Anne
 P.S. I make paper jewelry from Quilling & have also used two coats of clear
nail polish -- will change the color slightly - will make it a little darker -
but it does work !
With all these things -- allow the piece to dry overnight before adding the
second coat.





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:47:41 -0500
Subject: Re: curled up with a good paper

At 12:50 PM 3/10/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm hoping someone on the list has a good suggestion. I recently ordered some
> origami paper and the paper in one of the packs is curled up on 2 edges. I was
> wondering if there is a secret method or two (other than the old 'stack of
> books' trick) to get the paper to return to its natural (flat) state.
>

I'm not exactly sure what type of paper it is, but I would use a warm iron
with the steam/spray setting turned off.  I started out in clothing design
and pattern making so I have unusual ironing capabilities.  I would
experiment with the heat settings for your particular iron as there is no
specific setting for paper.

Sarah





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:59:16 -0500
Subject: Re: creating origami jewelry

Kim's Crane in about a month (or less) will carry the jewelry coating Tsuyadashi
in both 40g and 250g plastic bottles.  We will also carry a special washi glue
in 180g plastic bottles.  If interested, please e-mail privately for more
information to kcrane@kimscrane

Kimberly Crane

John Sutter wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Nigel Potter wanted to know about preserving origami jewelry.  Through trial
> and error I've discovered that
> epoxy, resins and most other types of glazes are toxic, messy and can ruin
> the paper by leaving some or all
> of it transparent.  If you use high quality washi paper it is strong enough
> and beautiful enough to last on
> its own, and many museum shops sell it that way.  If you must coat it with
> something, I suggest a water base
> jewelry glaze by Delta that I brush on my jewelry because it isn't toxic or
> messy and doesn't ruin the washi.
> Jan Fodor's advice about a Japanese lacquer "tsuyadashi" sounds like a good
> bet too!
>
> Ria Sutter





From: RPlsmn <RPlsmn@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:15:48 -0500 (
Subject: Re: how do I get off this list?

stop telling people you're not shot if you don't like the limelight





From: DonnaJowal <DonnaJowal@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:27:19 -0500 (
Subject: metal origami

Hi Russell,

This may be another answer that is not what you are looking for, but a few
years ago at an OUSA convention Makoto Yamaguchi exhibited some models that
were folded from a fine metal mesh.  As I recall there were both stell and
bronze metal wire fabrics in several textures.  I believe it is woven like the
mesh in a window screnn, but it is finer and perhaps better crafted.

The models were extremely elegant, and because the screening material is semi-
transparent, the layers created shadows in the interior of the poieces.

This is another of those things I waqnt to do if I ever have the time!  It may
not be what you are looking for, but if you are interested in metal, yeou
might want to give it a try.  If you do, let me know what the pitfalls are.

Donna Walcavage





From: Sandra Wambold <wambold@POBOX.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:56:55 -0800
Subject: Re: metal origami

Jeremey Shafer made his nailclipper design in brass.  The amazing thing
is that the clippers worked (although they couldn't really cut
anything).  I think he used a hammer during folding.

-sew





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:28:07 -0800
Subject: Re: metal origami

>Jeremey Shafer made his nailclipper design in brass.  The amazing thing
>is that the clippers worked (although they couldn't really cut
>anything).  I think he used a hammer during folding.

Well, they would cut cooked spaghetti...

Just to clarify: I believe that he folded the nailclipper out of thin
copper sheet. He did use various tools, including several types of pliers
(perhaps even vice-grips?). A hammer probably figured into the process,
though I'm not sure of that.

A very nifty model! I wonder how it's holding up with regards to rust...

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From: Eric Eros <eros@MOHAWK.ENGR.SGI.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:59:42 -0800
Subject: Re: metal origami

>Jeremey Shafer made his nailclipper design in brass.

>>>  A very nifty model! I wonder how it's holding up with regards to rust...

I saw it this past weekend and there was no rust.

--
Eric Eros





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Garc=EDa_Macias_Carlos?= <CGMACIAS@TELMEX.NET>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:06:16 -0600
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests? (strange solicitation)
Importance: high

        >> My problem is more like:
        >>
        >> "Can you email instructions for making that?"
        >> (sometimes with no please, thank you, or reply if I do
        >> send something)
        >>
        >> "Gee, that's neat, show me how to make one"
        >> (Implication: that should take about 15 minutes)
        >>
        >> :-)
        >> Valerie

        >I've gotten that! Usually written by someone who apparently
        >has LOST THE CAPS KEY ON THEIR KEYBOARD.

        >Bit bucket city, here it comes!

        >Mark

I had another "funny" experience, when (by solicitation)
was doing some rabbits for valentines selling them at little
more than the cost of the paper (for the time in the folding),
one person asked me if i could sold him only one sheet of
washi !

I asked him why, and he said me that he liked very much
that particular pattern and he indeed put in a frame the
sheet !

Because he is my friend, i agreed with him, but i think that
this is a case where the people wants the "raw" material
instead of the finished product (actually, i don't think that
my rabbits were bad, but i used one color paper for them,
and the washi was not used in that moment).

Do anyone had another "strange" (or funny) experience like
this one?

/8-) Carlos Garcia M
cgmacias@telmex.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:10:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Dragon Siting

Ian Mitchell wrote:
>I've never come across Neales dragon.. but did come across your Pig on the
>net!!
>I was that impressed I dismantled it and came up with "two" dragons based on
>it (both on my web pages), and thought you deserved the credit for the
>"Color change wings" part of the bird base with rabbit ears....
>
>Hmm.. would you like me to give credit to Mr Neale :) as I seem to have
>derived my dragon's now from his!

True, I did come up with that colour change. Still, it really IS Neale's
dragon. It seems to be an often rediscovered model. There are numerous
other dragons based on it (including ones by Jeremy Shafer and Peter
Budai), and the Kueherosaurus (sp?) in Montroll's "Prehistoric Origami"
uses the same basic structure.

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From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:36:11 -0400
Subject: Re: strange solicitation

I don't know if this is actually strange, but my favorite
request is this:

I used to eat lunch at a Chinese restaurant regularly &
got to the point of joking with the waiter about what I
was going to fold for him as a tip. One night I went there
for dinner with a group of friends, and he came to the
table as we were finishing our meal with four new $5 bills
& asked me to fold two $2 pant suits for him to give to
his neice and nephew who were visiting.

A waiter in another restaurant was so excited by this fold
that he insisted that I teach him how to fold it. Fortunately
I had plenty of new bills, so I could.

Lisa (now I'm hungry)
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

So you don't have to ask: the $2 pant suit is a variation
of "the shirt off my back" with a second bill folded into
a long strip 1/4 the width of the bill, folded in half to make
pants & stuck into the slot at the bottom of the shirt. Anyone
know where to find diagrams for this shirt?





From: acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:40:40 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests? (strange solicitation)

>Do anyone had another "strange" (or funny) experience like
>this one?

heh. yes, i've got one, tho it was sort of more of just an eye-opener to
me. in this case i was doing a public demo of origami for a local artists'
guild. I ended up at a table outside on the street -- one of those nice
brick street shopping areas in a small city (church street, burlington,
vermont, for those familiar with the area) and i had several of my more
intersting pieces out on the table.

someone in a suit walked up to the table and pointed at one of my favorite
pieces, a set of cubes linked in an amorphous mass in the colors of a
rainbow such that each of the 14 cubes touches each of the colors next to
it in the color wheel. He asked "how much are you selling that for?"

i told him "i hadn't thought of selling it, really." but he persisted, and
finally offered me $100 for it. i should have taken the money, but i talked
him down to $50 because even though it was one of my favorites, i didn't
think it was worth that much because it wasn't preserved so that it would
last. apparently the man was a banker and he wanted something unusual but
pretty to put on his mantelpiece in his new house. this was about 5 years
ago; i hope it's still in good shape. :)

peace,
alasdair





From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:04:00 -0700
Subject: Re: strange solicitation

I think you will find the "pant suit" in one of Gay Merrill Gross's books.
Sorry I don't know which one.

Nigel

----------
> From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: strange solicitation
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 9:36 AM
>
> I don't know if this is actually strange, but my favorite
> request is this:
>
> I used to eat lunch at a Chinese restaurant regularly &
> got to the point of joking with the waiter about what I
> was going to fold for him as a tip. One night I went there
> for dinner with a group of friends, and he came to the
> table as we were finishing our meal with four new $5 bills
> & asked me to fold two $2 pant suits for him to give to
> his neice and nephew who were visiting.
>
> A waiter in another restaurant was so excited by this fold
> that he insisted that I teach him how to fold it. Fortunately
> I had plenty of new bills, so I could.
>
> Lisa (now I'm hungry)
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
>
> So you don't have to ask: the $2 pant suit is a variation
> of "the shirt off my back" with a second bill folded into
> a long strip 1/4 the width of the bill, folded in half to make
> pants & stuck into the slot at the bottom of the shirt. Anyone
> know where to find diagrams for this shirt?





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:16:56 +0100
Subject: Re: rotary paper cutters?

Hi all

I have a Dahle rotary paper cutter. I very satisfied with the
results. It cuts up to 8 pieces if copypaper accurate. The
mechanism is good an secure. At an exteme: it cuts corrugated
cardboard very good. An other advantage is, as I find out,
that I had no bad results at the beginning.

All this comment are for the larger totary cutters, I think 550+
and not for the smaller ones. Their you can get problem at the
begining because this versions have no "fixing automatic".

Julius





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Garc=EDa_Macias_Carlos?= <CGMACIAS@TELMEX.NET>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:03:18 -0600
Subject: Gift wrapping folding in Japan

When i was in japan buying some items and asked for them as
gifts and i noticed when they folded with gift paper that:

1. They didn't use scotch tape.
2. They fold the paper in a diagonal way.

Unfortunately, this happened 6 years ago and i don't have
the instructions to do this.

Do somebody knows about this method of folding?

TIA,
/8-) Carlos Garcia M
cgmacias@telmex.net





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:29:19 -0600
Subject: Re: strange solicitation

Here is my strangest solicitation, and it does involve solicitation,
although many years before my part of the story. Carol Martinson (also on
the list) and I were teaching at a Japan America Foundation New Year's
festival in St. Paul last year.

A man came up to me, opened his wallet, and pulled out a frog made from a
dollar bill. He told me that he had learned the fold from a bar girl in
Vietnam.  He insisted on giving me the frog. I really did not want to
take it, and politely declined. He ultimately tossed the frog at my table
and walked away.  I guess he was trying to shock me, and I'm afraid he
was successful. I still have the frog; I'm not quite sure what to do with
it.

And here's an answer to Lisa's question:
> Anyone know where to find diagrams for this shirt?

First, I should issue the disclaimer that even though I am recommending
the same books two days in a row, I am neither Gay Merrill Gross nor an
employee of hers.

The design by Rachel Katz, a variation on a traditional model, is found
in GMG's The Art of Origami and probably also in her new book, Paper
Creations.

Jane





From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:03:54 -0500
Subject: Re: strange solicitation

I don't know about the "shirt of my back" shirt, but there are diagrams for
a shirt and pants (with the quarter folded bill, as pants) in The Origami
Workshop by Gay Merrill Gross. It's one of my favorite bill folds, I, too,
love to leave a "suit" as tip money!
-----Original Message-----
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 12:42 PM

Anyone
>know where to find diagrams for this shirt?





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:38:26 -0500
Subject: Re: metal origami

DonnaJowal indited:

> This may be another answer that is not what you are looking for, but a few
> years ago at an OUSA convention Makoto Yamaguchi exhibited some models that
> were folded from a fine metal mesh.  As I recall there were both stell and
> bronze metal wire fabrics in several textures.  I believe it is woven like the
> mesh in a window screnn, but it is finer and perhaps better crafted.

Yes, I saw those too!  I couldn't remember who had made them though.
Very cool looking!  As a result, last year I went out and got many yards
of stiff screening (intended for "screen doors").  Was going to make
lawn ornaments with them (I'd probably have to stake them down).  Was
thinking of doing some traditional models as well as some (gigantic)
geometrics based on Sonobe units.

-D'gou

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:53:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Casting a critical eye on origami
Joseph Wu indited:
> I have offered to do a critical review of the exhibit at the next OUSA
> convention. I don't know if this will happen or not, but V'Ann is thinking
> about it. Perhaps Michael LaFosse would be a better person to do this than
> I, since he's a "real" artist (I just have aspirations). Of course, we
> would probably have to have a sign-up sheet so for people who want their
> work reviewed, so as not to step on anyone's toes inadvertantly.

Could you be a bit more specific on what kind of review you would be
doing?  Something private with just the creator?  Something more public,
like a session on Monday, where you would borrow the models to have in
hand during the analysis?

As I have not created any models (that I'll admit to!), I would be
interested in getting criticism of a performance nature.  The analogy
would be to a performance of a piece of music.  I haven't written the
music, only interpreted it.  Getting such feedback from the creator of
the design would be great, but from other people would be good too.  I
think there is probably going to be a tough psychological barrier to
break through, since all the creator's I know or have seen see to be
extremely nice people who won't say anything non-positive about origami
;-).  This isn't an invitation for someone to come up to me at random
and say "You're models SUCK" ;-) though. ;-)

If I'm going to grow as a folder, I can do it a lot faster with the
feedback and comments from other folders and critiquers.  Honesty will
help me more than indefinite comments meant not to bruise my ego or step
on my toes.  I'm a pretty good folder, but not a great one.  One nice
thing about criticism is that it is not one's own self-reflection.  I
don't plan to bind myself to agreeing with any criticism, but it is a
great way to help me align my own evaluations.

-D'gou

--
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From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:17:21 +0000
Subject: Re: strange solicitation - $2 Pantsuit
Priority: normal

The $2 pant suit is in "The Origami Workshop," "The Art of Origami," and
"Origami Creations." These are versions of the same book and are all by Gay
Merrill Gross. It is also in OUSA's first money folding book, "Making More with
Money."

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:31:02 +0000
Subject: Re: When can you give or sell origami?
Priority: normal

One way to handle children when they request my origami, and not to hurt their
feelings, is a trick I learned from a book by  a psychiatrist many years ago.

The late Chaim Ginnott was the author who suggested that you give in fantasy
what you are not prepared to give in reality. I usually say, "I WISH I could
give you my origami, but I need to have it for my next program.

" He even suggests that you can take this technique to a ridiculous degree.
Children find this great fun and it seems to satisfy them. To do this, in
response to a request for a dinosaur, I might say, " I wish I could give you my
apatasauras ,IN FACT, I wish I could give you  a tyrannosaurus, diplodicus,
Raptor, Pteranadon, Pteradactyl and .." .by then, they realize that it isn't
going to happen and usually supply a few more names. Then,  I might say,
"I bet, if you start doing origami, one day you will be able to fold dinosaurs
all by yourself ."

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:40:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Gift wrapping folding in Japan
Priority: normal

The book "Gift Wrapping: Creative Ideas from Japan" by Kunio Ekiguchi ISBN
0-87011-417-4,  describes this. I have done it a few times with layers of paper
offset to enhance the diagonal effect. It's difficult to describe and harder to
do with thicker packages but it is worth the effort. You either glue the end
down or tuck it inside - thus, no tape is used.

OUSA probably still sells the book or you could borrow it from the lending
library if you are an OUSA member.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@MA.ULTRANET.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:22:08 -0500
Subject: Re: strange solicitation

Shirt and Pants folds can be found in,
"The Art of Origami" by Gay Merrill Gross,
on page 22 (ISBN 0-7924-5841-9).
The same book was also published as "Origami
Workbook" (Not sure of the exact title).

Bob





From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@MA.ULTRANET.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:26:44 -0500
Subject: Re: metal origami
> I saw it this past weekend and there was no rust.

If it were made of brass, it would not rust....

Bob





From: Kathy <ksilva@MCN.ORG>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:38:49 -0500
Subject: biting fish

Our local librarian (who is also a fantastic storyteller) has asked me for
help in locating a "biting fish" model. It is operated like a hand puppet
and she used it in the past for a story she tells which includes folding a
boat, a shirt, a fireman's hat and the biting fish. She cannot recall how
to fold the fish and I have not been able to come up with a suitable model
on my own. The ousa model index shows some models which might work. I
cannot find any of the books, but I'm hoping that one of you can help us
out. Here are the models we're trying to find:
"talking fish" in Art of Origami by Samuel Randlett (pg 57)
"snapping fish" by Jun Maekawa in El Mundo Nuevo by Kunihiko Kasahara (pg 78)
"kissing fish" by Jessie Seto in 1992 by T. Cheng et. al. (pg 110) - no
title -    is it an annual collection?
"talking fish puppet" (my first choice)by Gloria Farison in the same 1992
 publication as above (pg 106).

Thanks for any and all information.

Kathy Silva





From: Ian & Karen Mitchell <paris@ACCESSIN.COM.AU>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:29:22 +0800
Subject: Re: Dragon Siting

Joseph Wu wrote:
> Anyway, I've looked at Ian's dragon, and,
>while it does incorporate some of the folds I used in "WPGWAF", it really
>is another variation on Neale's dragon.

I've never come across Neales dragon.. but did come across your Pig on the net!!
I was that impressed I dismantled it and came up with "two" dragons based on
it (both on my web pages),
and thought you deserved the credit for the "Color change wings" part of the
bird
base with rabbit ears....

Hmm.. would you like me to give credit to Mr Neale :) as I seem to have
derived my dragon's
now from his!

There are approx 18-20 of "my" models diagrammed on my site (I say "my" as
they were created by me.. and since I have no way of checking every model
ever created I suppose there is always the chance someone else stumbled on
the same folds) and I always try to give credit if I base a model on someone
elses.. even if in someones elses style
.... eg Francis Ow Mun Yin,  Ligia Montoya etc. or if the model is
traditional..eg "shirt off ones back", "monk"

You can access my web pages via the address on my signature at the end of my
messages--
But just in case try http://www.accessin.com.au/~paris/ and click on the
Origami link.
Ian

PS: I loved D Brill's dragon in his new book.. and "borrowed" the head
formation idea/design for a new dragon
which I have yet to diagram.
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From: DMAWolf <DMAWolf@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:24:55 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Sue Walsh

A Tribute to a Fellow Origamist
I went to Origami class one day,
And Sue Walsh was there to play,
She gave us all a large red sheet,
of  Origami paper flat and neat,
We folded squares and pairs of lines,
Just like we do often times,
Then she had us lift and twist,
and a Kawasaki rose, rose in our fist,
With baby's' breath and paper green,
We  wrapped our flowers all neat and clean,
Those roses' bloom the world wide,
A tribute to a teacher no one can hide,
Sue is gone but the roses' ever bloom,
A tribute to a friend taken too soon.

Sue taught many classes formal and informal at the OUSA conventions, and on
the east coast.  She died recently at the age of 39 and left behind a large
group of new rose folders.
Rachel Katz organized  a 1000 cranes through the L which she received just
before she died.  Another sign that Origamist are special people .

Diana Wolf 1998





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:31:33 +0100
Subject: Re: curled up with a good paper

Hi !
At 12.50 10/3/1998 -0800, you wrote:

> I was
> wondering if there is a secret method or two (other than the old 'stack of
> books' trick) to get the paper to return to its natural (flat) state.

Ironing ? ;)

Roberto
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From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@MA.ULTRANET.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:56:47 -0500
Subject: Re: biting fish

In the book Folding Paper Puppets by Shari Lewis and
Lillian Oppenheimer (1962), there are three fish the
Talking Fish, a variation of the Talking Fish called
the Snub Nose Fish, and another variation the Big
Mouth Fish. Any one of which could be used as a biting
fish.

 This book can still be found in many libraries.

Bob





From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@MA.ULTRANET.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:34:33 -0500
Subject: Re: biting fish

Hi Kathy,

  Another suggestion, probably the one you are looking for is
in Paper Folding for Beginners by Murray and Rigney originally
published in 1928. This book is still available, form Dover
Publications. The last part of the book contains the story of
"How Charlie Bought His Boat". The story starts with a salt
cellar, and progresses to a shirt, trousers, windmill, rowboat,
sailboat, rooster, pocketbook, hat, and a Chinese junk. Then to
pick up all of the bits of paper that may have fallen on the
floor, a Goose's head is folded.
  The Goose's head could easily be considered as a Biting Fish,
especially since the above rooster is called a Pajarita (little
bird) in Spain and a Pony in England.

Bob





From: davey@KEY.NET.AU
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:28:55 +1100
Subject: Re: Gift wrapping folding in Japan

At 17:03 11/03/98 -0600, you wrote:
>When i was in japan buying some items and asked for them as
>gifts and i noticed when they folded with gift paper that:
>
>1. They didn't use scotch tape.
>2. They fold the paper in a diagonal way.
>
>Unfortunately, this happened 6 years ago and i don't have
>the instructions to do this.
>
Try EKIGUCHI, Kunio: "Gift Wrapping - Creative Ideas from Japan", Kodansha.
Tokyo 1985.

This has a fairly comprehensive range of Japanese gift wrapping ideas.

Diana Davey
Woolgoolga, NSW, Australia





From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ECR.MU.OZ.AU>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:27:08 +1100
Subject: Re: files and storage

ditto Cathy... you aren't the only one out there who isn't very
organised. :)

Richard

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, morpha wrote:

> Wow Tricia!  I wish I could be one tenth as organized as you. I have
> rolls of uncut artisan and wrapping paper in my kitchen and in my
> closet.  Kami and other cut squares fit into a large tupperware box.  I
> usually give away models almost as soon as I fold them, but I have a few
> around in baskets and tins.
>
> It nearly makes me drool with envy, thinking about all your wonderful
> origami supplies, neatly filed and put away!
>
> Oh for more space.
>
> Cathy Nist





From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ECR.MU.OZ.AU>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:37:29 +1100
Subject: Re: When can you give or sell origami?

What about when people ask for your origami while you're folding it in
public places? This has happend to me in several places... Once on a bus,
i folded a rose to stop my self falling asleep, and when i had finished,
the woman next to me asked for it. Since i didn't really want to keep it,
i gave it to her. What's a way of telling someone that you don't want to
give it to them?

Richard

On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Rachel Katz wrote:

> One way to handle children when they request my origami, and not to hurt their
> feelings, is a trick I learned from a book by  a psychiatrist many years ago.
>
> The late Chaim Ginnott was the author who suggested that you give in fantasy
> what you are not prepared to give in reality. I usually say, "I WISH I could
> give you my origami, but I need to have it for my next program.
>
> " He even suggests that you can take this technique to a ridiculous degree.
> Children find this great fun and it seems to satisfy them. To do this, in
> response to a request for a dinosaur, I might say, " I wish I could give you
 my
> apatasauras ,IN FACT, I wish I could give you  a tyrannosaurus, diplodicus,
> Raptor, Pteranadon, Pteradactyl and .." .by then, they realize that it isn't
> going to happen and usually supply a few more names. Then,  I might say,
> "I bet, if you start doing origami, one day you will be able to fold dinosaurs
> all by yourself ."
>
>
> Rachel Katz
> Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Jeff Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:56:22 -0800
Subject: Re: biting fish
This discussion has sparked my interest --

Does anyone know of any books (or web sites) that have stories that
involve one piece of paper undergoing origami - transformations?  Any
books exclusively on such transformations?  Perhaps a book of a
collection of stories like the one described below.  It seems like a
wonderful way to introduce children to the world of paperfolding to say
the least!

Thanks
Jeff

J. Robert A. Lemieux wrote:
>
> Hi Kathy,
>
>   Another suggestion, probably the one you are looking for is
> in Paper Folding for Beginners by Murray and Rigney originally
> published in 1928. This book is still available, form Dover
> Publications. The last part of the book contains the story of
> "How Charlie Bought His Boat". The story starts with a salt
> cellar, and progresses to a shirt, trousers, windmill, rowboat,
> sailboat, rooster, pocketbook, hat, and a Chinese junk. Then to
> pick up all of the bits of paper that may have fallen on the
> floor, a Goose's head is folded.
>   The Goose's head could easily be considered as a Biting Fish,
> especially since the above rooster is called a Pajarita (little
> bird) in Spain and a Pony in England.
>
> Bob





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:57:55 -0400
Subject: Re: strange solicitation - $2 Pantsuit

Thanks everyone.

I think I should win some sort of prize for the most
responses to a question. In addition to the ones sent
to the list, three people e-mailed me privately.

I'm glad to finally know the designer for this model---
Rachel-it's one of my favorites. As D'gou and I agreed
privately, one of the tragedies of easy & fun models is
that they quickly get separated from the names of their
sources because they get taught in restaurants and
similarly informal settings.

And, I guess I should probably invest in a Gay Merrill
Gross book or two...

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:16:04 -0800
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

A panoply of paperfolders.

Dorothy
Vive la fold!

FoldingCA@webtv.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:18:58 -0800
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

At 17:48 +0000 1998/3/12, David Foulds wrote:
>I was telling a friend of mine recently about origami conventions and
>how many of us would stay up late into the night, folding in groups.
>
>This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
>called - any ideas?

A sheaf? A stack? A bundle? A wrap? A pleat? (or we might say that we are
replete with paper folders...) A bin?

Usually, I just say "group" or "bunch". We are not prey animals that we
should have our own collective noun. 8)  (Can anyone remember the medieval
hunting book that lists the nouns of ververy, or something like that?)

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:01:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Casting a critical eye on origami
At 19:53 -0500 1998/3/11, Doug Philips wrote:
>Could you be a bit more specific on what kind of review you would be
>doing?  Something private with just the creator?  Something more public,
>like a session on Monday, where you would borrow the models to have in
>hand during the analysis?

First of all, it is not certain that this is going to happen. I haven't
worked out the details with OUSA yet. Besides, like I said, there are
others more qualified to do this than I. That being said, what I envisioned
was for this review to take place as a class session on Saturday or Sunday.
It would have to be done this way because the display is taken down on
Sunday night. Of course, I'd be willing to do something private for anyone
who couldn't attend the session...assuming there's time for that...I always
seem to be way too busy at OUSA conventions. We could just walk through the
exhibition area and talk about the models on display (only the ones that
people had asked to be reviewed, of course!).

>As I have not created any models (that I'll admit to!), I would be
>interested in getting criticism of a performance nature.  The analogy
>would be to a performance of a piece of music.  I haven't written the
>music, only interpreted it.  Getting such feedback from the creator of
>the design would be great, but from other people would be good too.  I
>think there is probably going to be a tough psychological barrier to
>break through, since all the creator's I know or have seen see to be
>extremely nice people who won't say anything non-positive about origami
>;-).  This isn't an invitation for someone to come up to me at random
>and say "You're models SUCK" ;-) though. ;-)

Sure. Review could be for design, for execution, for both, or for other
factors, too (paper choice, arrangement, etc). I've had chats with various
people about how we're all too polite about other people's work, and how a
critical review would be very useful. I think I've commented on that
before, using Yoshizawa's review of his students' work as an example. I
think now is the time that we can grow beyond that phase, and people can
learn to accept their "art" and to accept that different people will react
to it differently. We might even cut down on the talking behind people's
backs...(I doubt it!)

>If I'm going to grow as a folder, I can do it a lot faster with the
>feedback and comments from other folders and critiquers.  Honesty will
>help me more than indefinite comments meant not to bruise my ego or step
>on my toes.  I'm a pretty good folder, but not a great one.  One nice
>thing about criticism is that it is not one's own self-reflection.  I
>don't plan to bind myself to agreeing with any criticism, but it is a
>great way to help me align my own evaluations.

Well, said. Don't take it personally, and learn from what is said. That is
the true value of a review. That's why art schools have them on a regular
basis.

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From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:16:06 -0300
Subject: Re: biting fish

>>From owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Thu Mar 12 10:57 EST 1998
>>From: Jeff Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
>>
>>Does anyone know of any books (or web sites) that have stories that
>>involve one piece of paper undergoing origami - transformations?  Any

Do not forget Steve & Megumi Biddle's The New Origami. Although there
are no underlying stories, at least two models are presented as
a series of transforming variations:
- a hat (painter's, bishop's mitre, soldier's, mortarboard...)
- the troublewit (candy, candle, hat, cake, vase...)

        Sincerely,
        Carlos
                furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Eric Eros <eros@MOHAWK.ENGR.SGI.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:39:00 -0800
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

>>  (Can anyone remember the medieval
>>  hunting book that lists the nouns of ververy, or something like that?)

> Don't remember the book title, but the word for hunting is "venery",
> after Venus, the Goddess of the Hunt, a.k.a. Diana.
> The word has the same root as "venereal", which does have a second
> meaning, "having to do with hunting".

I think the book is titled "An Exaltation of Larks".

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Eric Eros





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:20:24 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

At 05:48 PM 3/12/98 +0000, you wrote:

>This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
>called - any ideas?

A corrugation of folders?

Marc





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:22:49 -0500
Subject: Collective name for origami folders...

David M Foulds asked for a name for a group of folders... (Hmmm, how is
"Foulds" pronounced anyway, seems kinda suspicious... ;-) )

Hmmm, "Pack" is an obvious choice, since origami paper comes in packages
or "packs."  But the association with canines is probably too high.

"Ream" would be a good second choice (in English anyways), though
"quire" is more obscure sounding...

Just my buck two fifty,
        -D'gou

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From: ID 601198 - Leslie Mitchell <mitchell@QUAIL.MSANET.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:30:08 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

A friend recently asked me a similar question, as in "what is person such as
yourself called who does origami; an origamist, origami-ist, etc.?"

As I sat there with my florists' foil, bone folder & tweezers, I replied,
"a dweeb."

He liked that.

Leslie





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:37:49 -0500
Subject: Re: A ??? of paper folders

>
> Hi folks,
>
> I was telling a friend of mine recently about origami conventions and
> how many of us would stay up late into the night, folding in groups.
>
> This led him to enquire as to what a group of paper folders might be
> called - any ideas?
>
Crazy :-)

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