




Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 20:28:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Metal Origami

Greetings Russell,

In a message dated 98-03-07 17:09:25 EST, you write:

>  but that's not really what
>  I have in mind. Thanks everyone for the ideas, but maybe I need to consider
>  the possibility of building up layers by atomizing the metal using
> metallergy techniques...(you think it would bond to foil?)
>
>  OK...so it's a strange concept...but, what I have in mind is to coat my
> giant insect collection in metal...but would like for the folds to still be
> evident in the paper.
>
>  I've thought about lost wax casting origami... Anybody tried this?  Does it
>  work?

As to building up layers using the newer
vapor deposition or ion beam deposition
materials technology, I think there's a problem.
I'm guessing the foil has a surface coating of
anodized aluminum oxide, and maybe plastic
or lacquer over that, but I could be wrong.
Plus those technologies are at this point
very slow and expensive.

It might be possible to paint or spray a model with graphite,
then do electrolysis on it, or something like that.
If you start with a foiled paper model, the immersion
in liquid for the electrolysis should not be a problem.

After all, they bronze baby shoes, don't they?

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )





Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:55:07 -0500
From: Jeff Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Subject: Map fold

I wanted to thank everyone who helped me to translate step number 10 for
the Miura-Ori Map fold, that I found at:

http://www.ec-lille.fr/~u3p/textang/pliage1a.html

With allot of experimenting, I did figure out how to complete the
model.  If anyone has any questions about it, feel free to ask.  Step 10
is not described clearly, by either words or picture.  It is not hard to
do however.

In case anyone was wondering...
This map fold has been used to fold satellites when they are sent into
space.  Japan definitely uses the technique, but I am not sure if the US
folds their satellites in this manner.  It is the only case I know of
where an origami model was used  to further modern technology.

Does anyone else know of any examples where Origami has given technology
a boost?

Thanks again for everyone's help!
Jeff





Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 22:05:22 -0500 (EST)
From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Metal Origami

You're right about the baby shoes.....but, I that was  done by lost wax
casting.....shows how much I know...Thanks a lot for the info.
Russell





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 04:31:19 -0500 (EST)
From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: History

In a message dated 07/03/98  23:55:14, Valerie Vann writes:

<< AND try searching this mail list's message archive!
 especially for messages from David Lister.
 David has been writing to this list about the
 history of origami for ever... >>

I assure you, Valerie that I haven't been writing to origami-L FOR EVER.

It's just that my verbosity makes it seem like it!

David Lister





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:53:02 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Dragon Siting
Comments: To: Origami Friends <origami@MIT.EDU>

I don't recall any one mentioning this dragon (sorry if this has already
been posted). I haven't folded it but looks nice.
http://www.accessin.com.au/~paris/datajs/origomi1.htm

Text from the above page:
Ian's Dragon: 'This model is partly based on a fold developed by Joseph Wu
from his "When Pigs grow wings and fly" model'

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:38:11 -0500
From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: spraying paper/metal

> Is there any way to fold paper, then coat it with some sort of
> metal? I would asume that the flash point of any paper would be
> lower than the melting point of any practical metal.

It depends on the metal. Several have low melting points: Cesium (30C),
Rubidium (40C) and Gallium (30C) are all possibilities, although the first
two are a bit reactive (having your model spontaneously ignite on contact
with air brings new meaning to the term "Action Model," -- I'm sure Jeremy
Shafer would find a use for it).

Gallium is more benign and you might consider that You can melt it with the
heat of your hand, or just put it under a light bulb for a while. When I was
making paper/gallium sandwiches about 15 years ago in hopes of constructing a
malleable folding material, I ran into trouble getting the molten metal to
wet the paper. You'd probably run into the same problem spraying it.

Historical footnote: I wrote up my paper-and-metal adventures in British
Origami Magazine back around '84 or '85. Another of the techniques I devised
and described in the same article was that of bonding tissue paper to both
sides of aluminum foil using spray adhesive. While gallium sandwiches never
really caught on, "tissue foil" is pretty common nowadays.

Robert J. Lang





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:40:34 -0800
From: Shelby <bcbesh@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: workshops

My name is Shelby Chin. I'm an eighth grade student at Palms Middle
School in Los Angeles California. Do any of you know of any origami
exhibits or workshops that will be in the Los Angeles area during this
month? Thankx a lot for your help.
        -Shelby





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:51:35 -0500 (EST)
From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Subject: Origami Sightings+TY RLang.
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned the new McDonalds commercial, "what can
you do with two bucks?"   (I highly doubt that most of the examples in the
commercial were anything close to pureland origami)...it's kinda "cheesy"
<pardon the pun>

I haven't seen the Hersheys commercial mentioned either...(maybe I missed the
posting)..you know the one with the peacock being folded out of the gold foil
wrapper?   These commercials make origami look so easy.  I think it gives the
general public the misperception that it is easier than it looks (not that it
matters)...
We know the truth, don't we??

Hey, at least origami seems to been coming more into the "limelight" as of
late...thanks to the dedication of a great many enthusiasts' efforts... many
whom post to Origami-L regularly.

I have been folding for almost 10 years and [until now] have not had the
opportunity to share this magnificent art in such detail with anyone.  It
takes a special person to appreciate it(IMHO).  I am pleased at the quality of
info provided by this listserv.
Keep up the good work everyone....

Sincerely,

Russell

PS:  Thanks, Mr. Lang for responding to my query regarding "metalizing"
origami.
I have great admiration for your work and have purchased all of your books.  I
feel honored to simply be included in your company.  Nuff said.





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:13:25 -0800
From: terryh@LAMG.COM
Subject: Re: workshops

Origami List,ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,Internet writes:
>My name is Shelby Chin. I'm an eighth grade student at Palms Middle
>School in Los Angeles California. Do any of you know of any origami
>exhibits or workshops that will be in the Los Angeles area during this
>month? Thankx a lot for your help.
>        -Shelby

Hi Shelby,

Next Saturday (14th March), and every 2nd Saturday of the month, from 1pm - 4pm
the West Coast Origami Guild (an origami club) meets at the Cahuenga Branch of
the LA Library, 4591 Santa Monica Blvd. LA. Usually, there are around 24 people
who attend this meeting. Many of them bring models already folded, most of us
fold models while we are there. Admission is free, but please tell your parents
that anyone under 12 must be accompanied by an adult for the duration of their
stay. Hope to see you there on Saturday.

Terry Hall





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:14:20 -0500
From: Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET
Subject: Re: Origami Sightings+TY RLang.

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj
-----Original Message-----
From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 1:52 PM
Subject: Origami Sightings+TY RLang.

>I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned the new McDonalds commercial, "what
can
>you do with two bucks?"   (I highly doubt that most of the examples in the
>commercial were anything close to pureland origami)...it's kinda "cheesy"
><pardon the pun>
>

I haven't seen this commercial.  Can you describe it in a little more
detail?  What type of things are folded?

Janet Hamilton





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:08:44 -0500
From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Re: pternodon model

> Years ago, I invented a nice pteranodon. So far it has only been published
> in a CDO booklet of my own models. I can try and find a way to distribute
> the model through the Net, if there is some interest.
>
> Roberto
Yes, yes, please do.  The FTP site is good way of distributing it.

J.B. Raasch





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:21:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbra0336 <Barbra0336@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: workshops

In a message dated 3/8/98 10:50:15 AM, you wrote:

<<My name is Shelby Chin. I'm an eighth grade student at Palms Middle
School in Los Angeles California. Do any of you know of any origami
exhibits or workshops that will be in the Los Angeles area during this
month?>>

Shelby, contact Terry Hall e-mail:  terryh@lamg.com  to find out about the
West Coast Origami Guild meeting March 14 at the Cahuenga branch of the LA
Library.
It is not a workshop but lots of paper folding will be done.  Ages range from
student to adult.  Good luck.





Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:37:38 -0500 (EST)
From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

Sorry all...guess I should have mentioned what was made on the Mc'D
commercial...let's see there was an Eifel Towel( couldn't have REALLY been
origami) and a typical McD  building structure(without the arches).   I wish I
could think of what else is made out of "two bucks"...next time I see it , I
will pay closer attention.....
Russell.





Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 02:40:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Maldon7929 <Maldon7929@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Metal Origami

Two suggestions:

1. If you can find a resource try electroplating.  ( I believe the
classification is nonferrous metallurgy.)
2. Gold, copper and silver leaf are available at most craft and some hardware
stores.

Of the two the second is more reasonable and most likely to work on paper.
Applying metal leaf takes some practice but it's well worth the effort.

Maldon





Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:29:41 +0800
From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Subject: haiku
Comments: To: "Origami@MIT.Edu" <Origami@MIT.EDU>

In a number of Japanese gardens I have visited (invariably described as one
of the three best to be found in Japan..) There is often a little house
built next to a stream.  The ideas was to send a cup of sake down the
stream, and by the time it reached the cottage, the recipient was to have
composed a haiku (probably by moonlight).
Reading those inspirational poems by you all (a Pooh's little hums to my
daughter about Pooh sticks - some of you will understand my poor little
brain) I venture to suggest that one tries to write a haiku by the time
another folds, say, a tusru crane, or even more poetically, folds X model by
the time the Champaign glass reaches you (or you could even try swimming and
folding at the same time, but now that would be getting silly).  I hope you
all get my drift, and we all add a bit of poetry to our crumpled lives.
PS for a real challenge, try writing the haiku in Japanese - odds are no one
will understand it, especially if you've half finished the liquid
refreshment!
PPS has anyone folded any (original) Pooh figures?
clare





From: STEVE179 <STEVE179@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:20:59 -0500
Subject: Re: heh...check this one out

Nice ! I'll hang it up at work.

----------
> From: acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: heh...check this one out
> Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 4:07 PM
>
> http://www.ii.uib.no/~kjartan/aikidofaq/bilder/humor/origami.gif.html
>
> peace,
> alasdair





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 07:44:01 -0800 (
Subject: Record Units: Bluebeard's Castle

Millie Richardson asked me to post this message for her:

"Millie Richardson is teaching Bluebeard's Castle by Ed Sullivan which
appears in Eric Kenneway's Complete Origami book to the Cub Scouts as a
learning tool for working together, communicating, and as a presentation
for their talent show, called, "What We Did With Paper." Does anyone
know what the record number of units used for this model is?  Or the
record height of the model is? Please reply directly to Millie at her
e-mail address:  Belamom@aol.com.  She would appreciate a reply before
Friday, March 13."

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Martha Mitchen <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 07:51:04 -0500
Subject: Re: BOS members please read

Penny Groom wrote:
>
> I am compiling a list of the e-mail addresses of BOS members
Hi Penny,

You probably have mine but just to make sure here it is:

afolder@avana.net

Martha Mitchen





From: Martha Mitchen <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 07:55:56 -0500
Subject: Re: BOS members please read

Sorry all, about cluttering up the list by sending my email to
everyone.  I didn't mean to, I know better, just wasn't paying
attention.  So now I've cluttered it twice.  Sorry again.

Martha Mitchen





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:36:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Sightings+TY RLang.

I was reading through the list of subject lines this morning.
This one made me think (briefly) "What? They made a Robert
Lang Beanie Baby????"

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

In case you don't understand: Beanie Babies are cute little
stuffed animals that are filled with "beans." They are the
latest craze among kids and collectors in the states and
are made by a company named TY.





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:23:17 -0600
Subject: Re: pternodon model

BOING,

Interest here.

B R E T T
-----Original Message-----

Years ago, I invented a nice pteranodon. So far it has only been
published
in a CDO booklet of my own models. I can try and find a way to
distribute
the model through the Net, if there is some interest.

Roberto





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:27:26 -0600
Subject: Re: Question on big folding paper

I am not affiliated with Dick Blick.

Dick Blick also carries 'Fadeless' they have a website
http://www.dickblick.com but I'm not sure that they have online orders.
They do however, do catalog orders and have a very extensive product
line.  They also carry many different kinds of artisan papers and washi
(not so much washi really).

B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 1998 10:00 AM

If you're in an area where there are no big arts or crafts supply
stores,
your local paper party palace may have some basic stuff like 'Fadeless'.
Otherwise, you can order through art catalogues. Pearl Paint, Utrecht
Art
Supply (especially fair priced), NY Central Art Supply (a huge range of
papers) have a wide variety and are usually discounted. Some places will
even
give you sample cuts for free. Call 1-800 Information for their no.s to
order
their pamphlets. Lucille





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:03:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Dragon Siting

>I don't recall any one mentioning this dragon (sorry if this has already
>been posted). I haven't folded it but looks nice.
>http://www.accessin.com.au/~paris/datajs/origomi1.htm
>
>Text from the above page:
>Ian's Dragon: 'This model is partly based on a fold developed by Joseph Wu
>from his "When Pigs grow wings and fly" model'

This one is new to me. Anyway, "WPGWAF" was derived from my own "western
dragon" design, which was really a variation on Robert Neale's dragon (that
I "rediscovered" independently). Anyway, I've looked at Ian's dragon, and,
while it does incorporate some of the folds I used in "WPGWAF", it really
is another variation on Neale's dragon.

PS Cute pun on the subject line!

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:35:56 -0800
Subject: Re: heh...check this one out

>http://www.ii.uib.no/~kjartan/aikidofaq/bilder/humor/origami.gif.html

Yes, quite funny. Originally put on the web by the cartoonist in 1996, but
though his site is no longer running, is it okay to copy it? Comments?

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





From: DMAWolf <DMAWolf@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:48:36 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Origami sighting

The Mc Donald's' commercial was made by Michael La Fosse.  He talked about it
when he visited here in Feb.  Is combo paper sculpture with origami elements.
They had a very short period of time to do this.  One weekend as I recall.
Haven't seen it but will keep my eyes open.
Diana Wolf
Paper folding is easy the Origami is what is hard.





From: Gerry
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:00:22 -0500
Subject:

Ok, some of you must use rotary cutters...I have used a nice Rototrim at my
wife's lab, and I would now like to purchase my own...but the rototrim
brands are expensive (but work very well).  Has anyone here used a Martin
Yale rotary?  They are less money and don't look too bad in the photos.
(http://www.xmission.com/~ozone/rotar.htm)
Any input on these?   All this talk of Fadeless made me go look...gotta get
some, but also have to be able to cut it easily!  -Gerry





From: PErick3491 <PErick3491@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:21:11 -0500 (
Subject: clothing

Hello everyone,
There has been an off-and-on discussion of origami clothing.  I have a
question.  Is there a diagram for a long-sleeved jacket out there anyplace, or
a diagram that could be adapted?  A young veterinary intern saw a card I made
for our vet--office building, dogs, cats, etc.--and he wants one to take back
to his father in Belgium.  The father is also a vet.  This seems like great
fun, but the young man wants his father standing in front of the veterinary
clinic, wearing a white, knee-length jacket! Any ideas?  Thanks, Pat





From: FayeG@IX.NETCOM.COM
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:25:20 -0600
Subject: Re: rotary paper cutters?

Please respond to the list with any Rotary paper cutter suggestions.. I
just bought a Martin Yale Premier 18" (45.7 cm) guillitine-type.  It
cost about $70.  It has a 45, 30 and 60 degree markings on it.  Weighs
about 2-3 lbs. (very light) and has a built-in handle.  The weight
savings is due to Polyboard construction, and an angled board to save
space and weight.
I am not completely happy with it, but I am learning how to use it to
the best advantage.  It was advertised as cutting 15 sheets- it doesn't.
But it will do 7-8.  Also I need to apply pressure correctly, and it
needs to trim at least 1/2 inch, or it smashes the edge of the paper.

Check out:
http://www.dr-shredders.com/Trimmers/
http://www.abcoffice.com/cut1.htm
(I have no affiliation with them.  They are several of the Websites
with paper trimmers/cutters that I found.

Faye





From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:50:11 +0100
Subject: Re: Metal Origami

Maldon,
At 02.40 9/3/1998 EST, you wrote:

>1. If you can find a resource try electroplating.  ( I believe the
>classification is nonferrous metallurgy.)

Not easy. It requires an electrical connection, so the model should first be
coated with a conductive material like graphite powder. And I'm not quite
sure that the electroplated metal would adhere to the paper....

>2. Gold, copper and silver leaf are available at most craft and some hardware
>stores.
>Of the two the second is more reasonable and most likely to work on paper.
>Applying metal leaf takes some practice but it's well worth the effort.

That's a relatively easy practice on relatively large surfaces like picture
frames, but I'm afraid it could create problems with tiny intricate surfaces
like those of "insect" models.....

Roberto
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From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:03:01 -0500 (
Subject: How do you handle requests?

How does one handle requests?

I guess I'm not very good at dealing with people.
I don't know what to say when someone says
"Make me one (or two, or a dozen, or a hundred) of that."
Usually, if it's only one, and not too much trouble,
the answer is "Ok." But otherwise, I don't know how to
handle it.

I have a little more trouble handling "What are you going
a polite (?) way to say "Gimme that!". Am I wrong to also
be hearing this as "Let me take that pretty but useless
thing off your hands."?

I have a lot of trouble with "That's a nice dollar bill fold.
How about I trade you a dollar for it?", and the unspoken
implication that "It can't be worth more than that, and
you should be glad to get your dollar back out of it."

I know part of my problem is the underlying
"Your time and expertise are of no value." in
all three cases.

Another part of my problem is I hate disappointing
people, but I can't afford to satisfy all requests.

*sigh*. Anyone else run into these? Am I wrong to
feel hurt when I do?

Aloha from Michigan,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )

(I apologize for writing this without checking the archives for previous
discussions. I'm afraid I haven't learned to do that yet. And it seems
painfully slow to do anything like that from AOL.)





From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:03:03 -0500 (
Subject: Copyright on a cartoon (was Re: heh...check this one out)

In a message dated 98-03-09 18:04:27 EST, you write:

> >http://www.ii.uib.no/~kjartan/aikidofaq/bilder/humor/origami.gif.html
>
>  Yes, quite funny. Originally put on the web by the cartoonist in 1996, but
>  though his site is no longer running, is it okay to copy it? Comments?
>

With respect to copyright on the cartoon,
it's like copyright on an out-of-print book.
You could argue "fair use" and "educational
purpose", but it would be a judgement call.

I'm pretty sure that, legally, you need permission,
since the artist can't lose his copyright before it expires,
unless he specifically gives up the copyright.
I don't think there is such a thing as abandonment
of copyright anymore.

In any case, ethically, you should get permission to copy it.

Still, in practice, if a book is out-of-print and not expected to
come back into print anytime soon, I don't see how copying it
infringes on the author's right to make a profit. Have I been wrong
about this? Anyone know of legal precedents for copying
out-of-print books or magazines?

So it might be all right for personal use, but on a web page,
well, ... , I think you should get permission, but
darned if I know how to track down the copyright holder.

Since it's on the web, I have no problem with linking to it.
I see a problem with copying it into my own (non-existent yet)
webpage. Maybe I'm wrong about the linking too.

Aloha from Michigan,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )

(I apologize for writing this without checking the archives for previous
discussions. I'm afraid I haven't learned to do that yet. And it seems
painfully slow to do anything like that from AOL.)





From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:03:06 -0500 (
Subject: When can you give or sell origami?

I'd like some advice on the question,
when can you give or sell origami?
I'm specifically talking about origami
invented/created by someone else.

While, customarily, it's been considered to be ok
to fold an origami and give it away,  and I've seen
one opinion that it is ok to sell the model
if the author's name is not used to sell it,
that always struck me as somehow wrong.

Technically, since the origami is a copy of the original model,
which is "fixed in tangible form" or whatever the language of
the copyright law is, both folding and giving away the model
would seem to be technical violations of the author's
copyright in the model.

Plus, deliberately not associating the author's name with the fold
seems impolite.

If you can't remember the author's name, that's different
(it happens to me all the time, I have such a poor memory,
but at least I can say it isn't my fold).

I suppose you could argue that publishing diagrams for a model
gives implicit permission to make and use copies of the model,
but I don't know that that would hold up in court.

After all, having a copy of a book does not entitle you to
photocopy the book at will. Mind, I'm not at all sure about
out-of-print books. Might depend on how many copies you make.

Does this extend to folding from photographs of the finished model?
I know, in a couple of cases, I've been able to reverse-engineer
a model from looking at a photo of the model. Is this
copyright infringement? I'm afraid it might be. Or is this taking
advantage of the state of the art, and not protected? I don't know.

In practice, when I remember to, I try to get permission,
and when I don't remember, I guess I've depended on the
basic friendliness and goodwill of the origami community.
And of course, there was a time when I didn't know any better.

Aloha from Michigan,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )

(I apologize for writing this without checking the archives for previous
discussions. I'm afraid I haven't learned to do that yet. And it seems
painfully slow to do anything like that from AOL.)





From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:25:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Metal Origami

> Maldon,
> At 02.40 9/3/1998 EST, you wrote:
>
> >Applying metal leaf takes some practice but
> >it's well worth the effort.
>

        I've done this by 'leafing' the paper before
        folding it.  It worked well for Yoshizawa's
        butterfly.  However,    after a short time
        the gold tarnished.

        Applying the fixative looked unsatisfying.
        I used acid-free bond paper.  The copper
        leaf looked the best the longest.

        We used it for Christmas ornaments.

        If anyone else had luck, I hope they'll
        let me know how they did it and may be
        I'll try again. I still have the brushes
        and various leaves...

        V'Ann





From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:33:59 -0800
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

> How does one handle requests?
>
> I guess I'm not very good at dealing with people.
> I don't know what to say when someone says
> "Make me one (or two, or a dozen, or a hundred) of that."
> Usually, if it's only one, and not too much trouble,
> the answer is "Ok." But otherwise, I don't know how to
> handle it.

Put a value on it.

Once upon a time, when I was younger and more naive (and
had more time) I would fold something and then give it
away.  Then someone else who knew the first person
would ask also. The someone who knew that person, etc.
Quickly, I found I had more requests than time.  Thinking
that each intricate object would be treasured forever,
I initially accomodated.  And there was a political
element, "You gave one to her, why not to me?"

Then one day I discovered a model in a trash can.

After that, I started putting a small (very small) price on
things.  This weeded out the people who didn't understand,
"Why? The paper couldn't have cost you more than a nickel!"

Like Solomon dividing the baby, putting a price on things,
as crude as it might seem, separated the merely curious
from the truely interested.  And yes, I'll mix my metaphors
if I want to.

I don't know if its a universal truth, but here in the money
grubbing US it seems that you don't put a value on something,
then people regard it as having no value.

{START DISCLAIMER: ------------------------------------------------

   Before anyone asks and sidetracks this response, these
   models were traditional.  No actual cranes were used
   in their making.  Some models may contain peanut oil, but
   no MSG. The State department disavows all knowledge.
   Your mileage may vary.

END DISCLAIMER ---------------------------------------------------- }

> Aloha from Michigan,
> Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )

When I was in Michigan, the word "Aloha" was pronounced "Brrrrrr"

Mark





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:22:16 -0500
Subject: Re: rotary paper cutters?

> Please respond to the list with any Rotary paper cutter suggestions

Faye, this is not a rotary cutter but for me it is great for cutting lots
of 4.5" or smaller pieces. This is from an eariler email I posted to the
group.

===========

I have come upon the ultimate solution.  A framers mat cutter.  It can
easily and quickly and  ACCURATELY zip through 15 kami weight sheets of
paper (I even tried 30 and it worked fine).  The one I have will cut large
paper but only into pieces up to 4.5 inches (perhaps some contrivance could
be devised to extend that but I haven't gotten that figured out yet).  It
is kind of expensive (about $170) but it really works great.  Here is the
info for the one I have: Logan Mat Cutter Model #301-S from the ASW Express
catalogue (919-878-5077).  If you decide to try this, email me personally
and I'll pass on a few tips that I found came in handy.

==========

Good luck, Jeff





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:27:46 -0500
Subject: Re: When can you give or sell origami?

> Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )
>
> (I apologize for writing this without checking the archives for previous
> discussions. I'm afraid I haven't learned to do that yet. And it seems
> painfully slow to do anything like that from AOL.)

Kenneth, searching the archives is easy, and oh so beneficial. Just go to
http://www.origami.net/cgi-bin/jwu/search_archive.cgi (Joseph Wu's Archive
Search) and enter in the text you want to search for.

I am interested in the answers to the other questions too. I know it's been
talked about a lot in the past but you have added a few wrinkles to the
question that I don't recall having seen before.

Good luck,
Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:38:54 -0400
Subject: Searching the archives [Re: When can you give or sell origami?]

Kenneth Kawamura apologized for not checking the archives first.
Jeff Kerwood responded with an easy way to do it via the web.

Please remember that all connections to the net are not equal.
Sure, it's easy (and fairly quick) for those of us with reasonably
fast internet connections to check the archives via Joseph's web
page, but Ken specifically pointed out that, for him, doing this is
painfully slow.

Of course, there's another way that involves e-mail instead of the net:

Quoting from Maarten's admin posting:
>For those of you who have forgotten how to ACCESS the ARCHIVES ......
>You may get information, programs, diagrams, old messages and other
>stuff from the archives via FTP, WWW and *Email*. The FAQ tells you how
>to do this.
   >Send a message to:                        origami@www.rug.nl
   >with in the body a line saying only:      faq

I find that the e-mail search is usually plenty fast enough *and* I can
use my computer for other purposes while I wait, which isn't true
(for me) if I do the search via the web.

On the other hand, it's probably time to talk about how to decide
when and what to hand to interested people again----there's lots
of new people on the list & someone may have something new and
interesting to say about this...

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:46:00 -0800
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

This is a fun topic, in one sense.  In my view, what
prompts the request can be a genuine joy at seeing
something beautiful or magical. The question can come
from a wish to savor the moment and tell others what
they saw.

But to just give away art encourages the understanding
that the skill is for entertainment not for art. If
they are willing, show the requester how the magic
is within their reach. Show them how to make a simple
model for them to keep and let them remember the
feeling of folding and the memory of a your work.

If the requester is not interested in folding a few
folds to understand the process, then the person is
a collector and needs to understand that things of
value have a cost [either of time or money].

Once at a folding festival, an 80 year old man
came to me, opened his wallet and took out a crane
that was about a quarter inch in size. He said
he made it many years ago. He didn't know who
to give it to. He wanted me to take it since he
felt that I understood what it was.

V'Ann
vann@lht.com





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:58:13 +0100
Subject: Re: clothing

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, PErick3491 wrote:
> There has been an off-and-on discussion of origami clothing.  I have a
> question.  Is there a diagram for a long-sleeved jacket out there
> anyplace, or a diagram that could be adapted?

There is a coat by Marc Vigo Anglada in the archives,
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/coat.ps.

HTH, Sebastian                                        skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:55:17 -0500
Subject: Re: When can you give or sell origami?
Priority: normal

On 10 Mar 98 at 0:03, Kenny1414 wrote:

> I'd like some advice on the question,
> when can you give or sell origami?
> I'm specifically talking about origami
> invented/created by someone else.

This is all beaten to death in the archives.  You should take a trip to
Joseph's web page where he has a front end to search the archives.

> While, customarily, it's been considered to be ok
> to fold an origami and give it away,  and I've seen
> one opinion that it is ok to sell the model
> if the author's name is not used to sell it,
> that always struck me as somehow wrong.

Regardless of how it struck you, nor how non-logical it may seem, that's
the legal consensus on how that little corner of copyright law works.  If
you obtain a legal copy of the plans to a model [or a knitting pattern for
a sweater or anything like that], you can make and sell objects based on
that plan.

As for its being 'wrong', that's not really the question: the law just
sets the default rules.  It makes gives authors a "deal": if they want to
sell their works by ordinary retail sales [which means potentially easier
marketing and so more sales for the author], they have to agree to the
rights/licensing that the law says apply to those sorts of sales.

If a particular author doesn't like that 'deal' they're perfectly free to
tender their wares by some other method, and when they do that they can
put any terms they choose in the contract/license.

> Plus, deliberately not associating the author's name with the fold
> seems impolite.

Think of it a different way: your model has *nothing* to do with the
"author's" model.  You bought a plans for a pretty-fold.  How the person
who drew up the plans came up with it and/or got rights to it isn't your
concern.  You're making a model from these-here-plans... you don't have
the right to tie that model back to some other or some original [you
probably don't have rights to "copy" *that* :o)]

> I suppose you could argue that publishing diagrams for a model
> gives implicit permission to make and use copies of the model,
> but I don't know that that would hold up in court.

Bingo!!  and it does...

> After all, having a copy of a book does not entitle you to
> photocopy the book at will. Mind, I'm not at all sure about
> out-of-print books. Might depend on how many copies you make.

Publishing a book and publishing plans are different.  Note that you
cannot *copy*the*plans*.  You can make original works on your own -from-
the plans.

> (I apologize for writing this without checking the archives for previous
> discussions. I'm afraid I haven't learned to do that yet. And it seems
> painfully slow to do anything like that from AOL.)

Not clear what you've tried --- Joseph's seach engine is pretty simple to
use...  as for 'painfully slow', we all appreciate your dealing with your
system problems by imposing on all several hundred of the rest of us...:o)

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: ETW Bess <ETWBess@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:13:40 -0500 (
Subject: Re: rotary paper cutters?

About rotary trimmers:

I looked into the Martin-Yale trimmer.  The manufacturer told me and their
local distributer that the one I was looking at (it cut large sheets--model
330 I think) would only cut ONE piece of standard bond weight.  I'm looking
for something that can handle heftier weights than that, and preferably more
than one sheet.  I looked at Dahle trimmers on the internet--also expensive.
Do you suppose Dahle makes Rototrim?  And I think I'd have to order it sight-
unseen.

I got discouraged and decided to continue with a utility knife and what I
think is called a framer's square (L-shaped metal thing--very heavy which
helps it stay put). I usually cut strips the width that I want and feed the
strips into my Fiskar's 12 " rotary trimmer.   But I can't really recommend
the Fiskars trimmer.  Even my kids whose projects don't require such
precisions find that it doesn't cut in a straight line.  I find that my
squares aren't quite square--by two mms or so they're almost always
rectangular.

The down side is that I just don't get around to cutting much.

I'm interested in amy other suggestions people have on rotary trimmers.  (I
wouldn't want the guillotine type in my home;  it's tough to cut straight with
them anyway, I think.)   I know that our local art supply store has a rotary
one that cost $600.  It wasn't out last time I was there, so I couldn't see
the manufacturer's name.

Bess





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:00:45 -0800
Subject: A nice intermediate teaching model.

Just wanted to point out that the dog on page 92 of Kasahara's "Joy of
Origami" would make a wonderful teaching model for introducing more complex
techniques.  In just 16 steps, you get to perform 4 swivels, one irregular
sink, and one crimp.  A nice model and lots of fun to fold.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:27:08 -0500
Subject: How do you handle requests?

My problem is more like:

"Can you email instructions for making that?"
(sometimes with no please, thank you, or reply if I do
send something)

"Gee, that's neat, show me how to make one"
(Implication: that should take about 15 minutes)

:-)
Valerie





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:35:29 -0500
Subject: Re: When can you give or sell origami?

By the way, the speed of AOL for using the archive search, etc.
should be no different than most other dialup connections. It
depends mostly on two things, the time of day at your end
and at the other end, and the speed of your modem & connection.

Remember that the mail list archive site with the files of diagrams
is not at MIT with the listserver (that's the "official" archive). The one
with the diagram files is a privately maintained site and it is located
at a university in the Netherlands. So bear  in mind when accessing
it that you may be trying to use a computer system that has other things

Also depending on where you are, it is best to avoid highbandwidth
and file intensive activities on AOL not only during peak (usually
evenings, especially weekends) hours in YOUR area, but USA peak
hours generally. This is probably worst on the Pacific coast, because
during our peak hours, half the rest of the USA AOL users and even
some European night owls are still on the Internet. :-)

Valerie





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:45 -0800
Subject: Another paper source.

Another mail order source is Texas Art Supply. They carry the full line of
Wyndstone papers which seem to consist entirely of unusual specialty papers.
They have all 14 colors of wyndstone marble in two different weights.  They
also carry Canson Mi-teintes and a large selection of Japanese papers. Quite
an extensive selection but I think perhaps their prices are as good as Dick
Blick or Daniel Smith.

You can download the paper section of their catalog here:

http://www.texasart.com/catalog.html

but for prices you have to call (their email address didn't work last time I
tried). Sad thing is you have to order in quantity. 10 sheet minimum with no
mixing; that is, you have to order at least 10 sheets of say white wyndstone
marble. You can't order one sheet each of different papers.  As I recall the
marble was priced at $2 a sheet with a minimum shipping of $6.  The price
per sheet goes down the more volume you buy too.

If you live in Texas, they have stores in Dallas and Houston I believe. oh,
and they do say they will ship "worldwide."

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@INFOSPACE-INC.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:50:26 -0800
Subject: curled up with a good paper

I'm hoping someone on the list has a good suggestion. I recently ordered some
 origami paper and the paper in one of the packs is curled up on 2 edges. I was
 wondering if there is a secret method or two (other than the old 'stack of
 books' trick) to get the paper to return to its natural (flat) state.

Thanks!

-g-





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:57:02 -1000
Subject: Re: creating origami jewellery

I have found that gluing the folds wherever possible so no unfolding
occurs gives a lot of body to origami jewelry...I use white, transparent
glue and thin it just enough so I can brush it on with a stiff brush.
After that, I brush on 3 coats of acrylic lacquer.  I use a Japanese
brand called "tsuyadashi". Check out the Hamilton website
<http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/.OrigamiList> for stores that carry
it.  No mess, no goo, no big clean up and no toxic fumes to worry
about.          Aloha, Jan





From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:33:45 -0700
Subject: creating origami jewellery

Back to mercenary things. I wanted to attempt some origami jewellery and
have decided to start with a pin. I used some lovely soft kami and am
pleased with the object, but now I need to know how to make it look
permanent! At an art store it was recommended that I use Liquitex - I
bought some, and a brush, and did three coats - it was stiffer, but not
stiff enought in my opinion to handle multiple pinnings.

Someone else whose work I had seen recommended "Modgy Podgy", which I
discovered at Lewiscraft (in Canada) called Podgy. I brushed on three
layers of that, too but still didn't get that smooth shiny quality I had
seen. I need help before my model is a couple of centimeters thick. (By the
way, this is a first test case, so I'm not worried about experimenting on
it - I haven't glued the pin on yet.

Nigel Pottle





From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:45:22 -0700
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

It seems to me that we need to consider more than the cost of supplies when
charging for origami that we have folded. If it takes fifteen minutes to
fold a model, 30 minutes over a day to glaze it and make it permanent and
another 15 minutes to do any finishing (gluing a pin on, for instance) we
have used an hour of our time. What value does one put on one's time? What
value does one put on one's artistry, experience and care? We should
compare it with artist's, crafts people and others. Salaries and wages are
based on these things, and that is perfectly reasonable.

BTW, any suggestion as to the value of that hour would be welcome.

Nigel Pottle

----------
> From: James B. Raasch <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 12:57 PM
>
> > After that, I started putting a small (very small) price on
> > things.  This weeded out the people who didn't understand,
> > "Why? The paper couldn't have cost you more than a nickel!"
> > from those who did, "Oh! That's all you want for *that* !"





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:48:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Searching the archives [Re: When can you give or sell origami?]

At 16:47 -0500 1998/3/10, Doug Philips wrote:
>One caveat:  So far as I know, neither the web nor the email archive
>search facilities are updated instantly, so it can take a few days from
>the time a message is sent to the list until it shows up in the
>archives.

Indeed. In fact, the search page is currently updated when I remember to go
to Maarten's archives and download the newest collections of mail. When
Anne comes up for air, we will set up a proper web search engine that is
tied directly into the listserver.

As for the speed of the search via the web page, there are two reasons why
it is slow:

1) The actual search takes time. There are over 30 MB of archives, so the
search usually takes about 20 - 30 seconds if you don't restrict it to a
smaller set of data (i.e. by restricting the years you want to search
through).

2) For long searches, your web browser takes some time to compose the page
for display. The longer the page, the longer it takes. Netscape seems to be
slower to compose a page than Internet Explorer.

Finally, please read the instructions on the archive search page. I see so
many strange requests that are obviously due to someone not reading the
instructions.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:55:15 -0800
Subject: Re: Download Difficulties

>I subscribe in digest form and could not download the 9 Mar to 10 Mar Digest.
>I'm on AOL. Anyone else have similar problems?  I kept getting a "file not
>found" message. But then I would find the file on my disk using MSWord, only
>to open it and find 13 pages of gibberish and symbols! What gives? Thanks for
>any help and guidance you can provide.

Diane, there were no errors reported here on the server end. Sounds like a
problem with either AOL or your computer (were you disconnected while
downloading mail, for example?). You cannot get another copy of the digest,
but you can retrieve all of the entries of the month of March by sending
the following command to <listserv@mit.edu>:

get origami log9803 origami

To get a list of past monthly archives, use

index origami

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From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@STARBASE.SPD.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:57:45 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

> After that, I started putting a small (very small) price on
> things.  This weeded out the people who didn't understand,
> "Why? The paper couldn't have cost you more than a nickel!"
> from those who did, "Oh! That's all you want for *that* !"
>
> Like Solomon dividing the baby, putting a price on things,
> as crude as it might seem, separated the merely curious
> from the truely interested.  And yes, I'll mix my metaphors
> if I want to.

Ahh, capitalism in its most pure, natural state.  If something has value to
someone (the origami here) they are willing to trade something else of value
(cash, praise, discussion time, etc., etc.) for it.  But I digress.  Let's get
back to the topic at hand.

I never really minded folding things for people.  If they were bold enough to
ask me about/for it, I am generally willing to give it to them.  The only time
I have folded anything for money, I was just interested in getting the money
back for the paper I bought.  I ended up getting $5 for 25 cranes, while the
paper only cost $3.50 for the pack of 50 sheets.  A proift of 6 cent a piece.
I was just happy to have an excuse to fold, and it always gives me a charge
when people express an interest in what I'm doing.

J.B. Raasch





From: "(Margie Brandwein)" <m_brandwein@SMTPLINK.MSSM.EDU>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:17:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Another paper source.

I love Kim's crane for paper.  good prices, quick delivery kcrane @kimscrane.com
http;/www.kimscrane.com

Margie Brandwein
woman with a paper dependency
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Author:  Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>  at SMTP-for-MSSM

Another mail order source is Texas Art Supply. They carry the full line of
Wyndstone papers which seem to consist entirely of unusual specialty papers.
They have all 14 colors of wyndstone marble in two different weights.  They
also carry Canson Mi-teintes and a large selection of Japanese papers. Quite
an extensive selection but I think perhaps their prices are as good as Dick
Blick or Daniel Smith.

You can download the paper section of their catalog here:

http://www.texasart.com/catalog.html

but for prices you have to call (their email address didn't work last time I
tried). Sad thing is you have to order in quantity. 10 sheet minimum with no
mixing; that is, you have to order at least 10 sheets of say white wyndstone
marble. You can't order one sheet each of different papers.  As I recall the
marble was priced at $2 a sheet with a minimum shipping of $6.  The price
per sheet goes down the more volume you buy too.

If you live in Texas, they have stores in Dallas and Houston I believe. oh,
and they do say they will ship "worldwide."

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:21:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Download Difficulties

At 18:06 -0500 1998/3/10, Doug Philips wrote:
>Joseph Wu wrote:
>> Diane, there were no errors reported here on the server end. Sounds like a
>> problem with either AOL or your computer (were you disconnected while
>> downloading mail, for example?). You cannot get another copy of the digest,
>
>If/When you and Anne get around to making a newer friendlier archive
>mechanism, it would be cool to be able to retrieve messages based on a
>date range smaller than an entire month...

Truly. Even now there is a way of going in and querying the listserver
using the database language, but I'm not going to post instructions here.
The curious can refer to the listserver documentation by sending a "help"
command to the listserver, or else by referring to the (more detailed)
documentation at:

<http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/userindex.html>

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:37:42 -0800
Subject: Casting a critical eye on origami (was Re: How do you handle requests?)

>'Real' art has critics.  The OUSA panel on creativity held at the OUSA
>'97 convention danced around the issue of evaluating origami.  If those
>in the art itself are reluctant to cast a critical eye on their work, we
>cannot _expect_ that non-practitioners should.  This is a big can of
>worms, but now might be a good time to open it, given the proximity to
>the next OUSA convention.  This isn't a uniquely USA problem either...

I have offered to do a critical review of the exhibit at the next OUSA
convention. I don't know if this will happen or not, but V'Ann is thinking
about it. Perhaps Michael LaFosse would be a better person to do this than
I, since he's a "real" artist (I just have aspirations). Of course, we
would probably have to have a sign-up sheet so for people who want their
work reviewed, so as not to step on anyone's toes inadvertantly.

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From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:55:01 -0500
Subject: Re: curled up with a good paper

> I'm hoping someone on the list has a good suggestion. I recently ordered some
>  origami paper and the paper in one of the packs is curled up on 2 edges. I
 was
>  wondering if there is a secret method or two (other than the old 'stack of
>  books' trick) to get the paper to return to its natural (flat) state.

Another trick is moisture/humidity.  The problem is that under dry
conditions it may curl again.  If you can keep it flat while it dries
out, that might work....

-D'gou

--
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<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





From: RGS467 <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:12:00 -0500 (
Subject: Re: creating origami jewellery

You might try a 2-part epoxy.... that may be your answer.





From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean_-_J=E9rome_Casalonga?= <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:13:43 +0100
Subject: Re: How do you handle requests?

I once had someone who saw my Origami who asked me : "Could you please do a
small farm with all the animals (horses, cows, pigs, ...) in Origami.  It's
for my nephew who's 6 years old ?".

What do you want to answer to this kind of request ?    I think my answer
was that I haven't got enough time.

> How does one handle requests?
>
> I guess I'm not very good at dealing with people.
> I don't know what to say when someone says
> "Make me one (or two, or a dozen, or a hundred) of that."

I think that except if the person who makes the request REALLY seem
interested in the model, simply say NO.  Just pretend that you already
promised someone else to have it.  And if he/she says "Well, then, make me
another one", answer either "I haven't got time", either "I never do the
same thing twice".

And if you see that he/she really wants something, just make a simple
flapping bird.

I'm sure 90 % of the models I gave away ended up on the trash can.  So,
what's the point ?

I gave up trying to explain people that Origami was an art form, and that
if they would never ask a painter to give them a painting, it was the same
for Origami.

Note : Dear Dave Brill and Robert Lang : If by any chance you have some
models that you thought of throwing away, let me know !

Jean-Jerome Casalonga   jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:16:40 -0500
Subject: A nice intermediate teaching model.

You can try my "Practice Penguin"
in the origami-L archives, too.
:-)
valerie





From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@FASCINATING-FOLDS.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:32:25 -0800
Subject: Russian Origami has Arrived!

Long awaited, Russian Origami has finally arrived!

Congrats to Sergei Afonkin and Tom Hull for this great collection of origami
by Russian folders.
"The last secret of the cold war can finally be revealed: behind the Iron
Curtain, people were folding!  Communities of folders who were isolated from
the origami establishment have always developed exciting new origami models.
Russian Origami is full of such exciting projects.  Included are such
traditional favorites as a flapping dove and an inflatable rabbit, as well
as some original delights, such as a Tyrolean Hat and a Russian Star. Other
projects include:  Cat with White Stockings, Matrioshka Doll, Clapping Monk,
Rocket, Tree Ornaments, Dove Greeting Card, Mouse Puppet, Box for Sweets -
and many more."

It is the featured book on the Origami Book page in Origami Land, but you
can also easily access the information on the website by using the search
function.

Item # 2051 - $15.95
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From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@FASCINATING-FOLDS.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:44:15 -0800
Subject: Exquisite Interceptors - Thay Yang

Looking for Airplane models?  Exquisite Interceptors is one incredible
collection of paper airplanes!  Thay Yang, author of Exotic Paper Airplanes
shows illustrations for 17 super models.  Here's the list:  The Fly, Solar
Jet, Bat Glider, Manta Ray, Prototype, lightning Jet, Fire Fox, Wind Jet,
Crow, Cobra, Delta-X, Fire Bird, Aerial Bird, Saab Draken, YF-23, F-5
Tiger,and the F-4 Phantom.

The models are well diagrammed and basically not difficult, but they are
really great folds.  The book also includes a section on practice folds,
flying instructions, and corrective procedures.

If you want more details, see Origami Land / Products / Books  or use the
search function and enter the title or Item # 2047.

Happy folding -
Bren
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Suppliers for Origami and the Paper Arts
http://www.fascinating-folds.com
