




Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:01:38 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: origami enthusiast survey

John Sutter wrote:
>
> Hi Origamians,
>
> My curiosity about origami history and interest in how much the art of paper
> folding has spread and by
> whom has led me to pose the following questions to list members:
>
>      1) Who or What got you interested in learning origami?
It was just something us kids in a Japanese community did.  Passed on
from kids to kids moreso than from adults.  I never saw a book till I
was an adult and became interested when I taught school and found out
how much children enjoyed it.
>      2) Was it a solitary pursuit or a collaaborative effort?
Solitary till I found other adults interested in it.

>      3) Do you do it as a hobby?
Used to.  Now its my retired livihood.  We did 78 craftfairs last year
and I do an entire line of origami jewelry.  We did $25,000 in sales.
And, our business helps too when we combine business with pleasure on
trips.
>      4) Did you learn it as a child?  Grandma taught me my first crane.
>      5) What models do you remember from childhood and are they commonly
> found basic origami books? I see them now in books...crane, hats, boats,
 rings, balloon, cootie/fortune tellers but I didn't even know there were books
 available then.  I'm 60 now.
>      6) Do you teach it to groups formally or informally?
I did both.  Now more as making jewelry out of origami.
>      7) Are you a professional who makes a living from origami books,
> workshops etc.? I recognize some names
> like Joseph Wu in this category and I hope they will respond.
I don't have talents along the creating origami line.
>      8) Have you done family oriented workshops?
Have done a few cultural affairs involving family visitors and children
workshops where parents attend with their kids.
>      9) Do you think origami could become as popular in America as it has
> become in Japan or do you think
> most Americans are too impatient?  ( I find many kids and adults don't have
> long enough attention spans to
> go beyond basic origami)  I find a lot of Americans are impatient with
 themselves. The interest is there, they love seeing the models but think they
 can't do it...even the basics.  As far as children are concerned, they'd do as
 much as I let them in class.  I found American children were slow at
 remembering steps until I found out that they just lacked the experience.  Once
 I found the techniques that helped, they were able to remember steps all the
 way from beginning to end.
>     10) I think it could be a good family activity if young parents could be
> turned on to the fun, educational
> and cultural benefits-What do you think?
No doubt about it.
>
> My original interest was to find out whether members might have learned
> origami from parents or other family
> members, as it has been done in Japan and other Asian countries.  I expected
> most responses from Asian
> Americans, Latin Americans, Anglicans,and people of Arab ancestry to respond
> because of what I've read on
> the history of origami.  I expect that computers and the information age
> will change the history of paper
> folding and speed its popularity across the world.
>
I am coming across many international people who are familiar with
origami and have at least tried it.  My "stuff" are mainly basic models
though so aside from people who I know are origamiist on the net, the
comments are more about how small my stuff is and how they have
difficulty in making bigger models.  But even the Japanese marvel at my
jewelry because it's mainly done for entertainment in Japan.
        You're welcome,

Jan, Japanese American who lived on the mainland, did most of my
teaching there, and who grew up and returned to Hawaii after 29 years
away.
> Thanks in advance to anybody who takes the time to respond,
> Ria Sutter

--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:23:58 -0500
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Subject: Origami and Patience (was: origami enthusiast survey)

Jerry D. Harris indited:
>         I don't know that it's so much a question of patience as it is of
> interest.  Oddly, I've known people who were into doing cross-stitching
> projects of such intricacy that it takes them over a year to complete, yet
> they tell me they don't have the patience for spending a 1/2 hour to make a
> complex origami model.  I find that to be patently absurd, so I think it's
> more that they're not interested enough.  Possibly, they're not patient
> enough to take the time to learn the jargon and how to read the diagrams
> and do the folds...but I could also say I'm not patient enough to learn how
> to cross-stitch, though the truth is that it really just doesn't interest
> me!

Thanks to Jerry D. Harris for articulating one of my pet peeves:  "I
don't have the patience..."
I've been hearing that, or variants of it, ever since I started folding
more complex-looking models.  I think it is probably intended as either
or both, a nicer way of saying "Yawn, I'm bored" and "wow, that is
really cool, I could never do that, you must be _really good_."
Personally, I have never had any luck trying to convince someone who
does other "patience testing" hobbies to give up the "patience" excuse.
I've stopped trying.  I figure I'd rather spend the time trying to find
and encourage people who are interested in learning. ;-)

-Daddy-o "Vents clear and operational, Cap'n" D'gou
--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:26:47 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: Joseph Wu

>From here on in, I
>plan to show my respect and pleasure to be an acquaintance and colleague of
>Joseph, who is welcome to have a swelled head because of my deliberate
>attempt to compliment him.

Thank you, Nigel. At this point, I'd like to ask that we drop this subject
since I already have a swelled head, and if it swells much more it will
burst. Also, this is starting to get embarrassing. Thanks. Let's just get
back to the origami, which is what this list is about.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:08:45 -0700
From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Subject: Joseph Wu

I want to take this opportunity on a beautiful Friday afternoon, to say
thank you to Joseph Wu. Here is a person I have never met, but whom I feel
a personal affection for, because of his presence on the Origami listserv.
Awhile ago, I was guilty of mentioning Joseph in response to a particular
thread and I think that, innocently enough, I impugned his reputation. (Not
violently, but perhaps unthinkingly.) I think I was confusing the listserv
with the person, which is not, I hope, unforgivable. From here on in, I
plan to show my respect and pleasure to be an acquaintance and colleague of
Joseph, who is welcome to have a swelled head because of my deliberate
attempt to compliment him.

I find  that people sometimes think that our discussions are personal
attacks and responses to presumed attacks. I would love to suggest that we
all start thinking about the listserv as a helpmate and that in 99.999999%
of cases, what people say is well meant. The fact that we are responding
off the cuff, while writing on a keyboard means that we are not using the
same conversational mode that we would when speaking face to face. We do
not have those visual cues which faces and gestures provide. I am saying
this with a serious but smiling face at this very moment, and my sincerity
is, but not appear to be,  obvious.

Back to the beginning. Thank you Joseph Wu for the wonderful creativity,
information and care you bring to the Origami world through the list and
your personal connections. Yayyyyyyyyyyyy, Joseph!

Nigel Pottle
Well meant and wordy participant in OrigamiLand





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:16:08 -0600
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Subject: Re: origami enthusiast survey

>  1) Who or What got you interested in learning origami?

I think it was during Jr high sometime, there was some show on public tv,  I
     saw some of things that could be made, and wrote down the name,  Origami.

>     2) Was it a solitary pursuit or a collaaborative effort?

Very much solitary.  I was the only one I knew who folded, I borrowed books
     from the library, and taught myself.

>     3) Do you do it as a hobby?

In part, when I was young, up through high school and bit after, then I
     stopped, untill about a year ago, Now I suppose it's half hobby half
     therapy.

>     4) Did you learn it as a child?

Not truly, as I said I start around 12 or thirteen.

>     5) What models do you remember from childhood and are they commonly
>found basic origami books?

Crane, flapping bird, Ligiea Montoyas, flapping bird, a mouse, a fish.

>>     6) Do you teach it to groups formally or informally?

I did in High School and after for a college outreach program, But that was a
     long time ago.

>     7) Are you a professional who makes a living from origami books,
>>workshops etc.?

Not likely! Seriosly, I have told any of the people that asked me, they, by
     this I mean anyone, are free to include any of my models they like, all I
     ask is my name stay with the model, and I want a copy of the publication.
     I am not interested in making

>     8) Have you done family oriented workshops?

No, I have never been asked to.

>     9) Do you think origami could become as popular in America as it has
>become in Japan or do you think
>most Americans are too impatient?  ( I find many kids and adults don't have
>long enough attention spans to
>go beyond basic origami)

I think I will disqualify my self on this one, the only folders I know are
     through the list.

>    10) I think it could be a good family activity if young parents could be
>turned on to the fun, educational
>and cultural benefits-What do you think?

Probably, but it require something fairly sensational just to get their
     attention long enough to find out.

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:22:42 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: Paul Jackson's Art

>I know I am not alone in having received postcard notification of the
>Southeastern Origami Festival.  I want to ask about the pictures on the face
>of the card, the two pieces by Paul Jackson, both of which are untitled,
>though one is described as "Sphere" and the other "Bowl."  To me both pieces
>are more beautiful than words can say and  I've got the card up by my desk, to
>admire and for inspiration.  My question is the usual one--are instructions or
>diagrams for these pieces available anywhere?  I'll be content to admire if
>the answer is negative, but as long as I feel any aspirations to make
>something beautiful I look for the opportunity to try, so I'll appreciate any
>help.

Haven't seen the card yet, but I'm familiar with the works. I've got some
nice photos that I need to scan and put up on my site. I'm not sure if
Paul's interested in diagramming these, but they really aren't that
difficult in terms of the origami involved. The surface finishes and the
folding skill make these models the works of art that they are.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:44:03 -0500
From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Subject: Re: (NO): Links from Joseph Wu's Web page

At 10:36 AM 98-02-27 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I'm beginning to suspect that problems with the front page is really a
>memory problem. What I did, in effect, was the to reduce the number of
>images that need to be loaded for the front page by taking out all of the
>"roll-over" images. However, the roll-over code is still there (and
>operates in the menu bar), so I think it's really just a memory savings
>that is happening. Whatever. As for "Ace Rimmer", I've always liked Lister
>better myself. 8)
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
>t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca

If I had to choose between Rimmer and Lister, I'd be doing one of those
infamous Kirk induced computer crashes......:-)

I had my class folding the other two snowlets, Sukki and Tsuki.  Sukki  was
the model which showed the most interesting creative
interpretations......It was lots of fun, thanks Joseph!

                        CAthy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:48:10 -0500 (EST)
From: LLATM <LLATM@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: origami enthusiast survey

Hello, I am  Leyla Torres.  I was born and grew up in Bogota, Colombia but I
have lived in New York for the past 12 years. I am a children's books writer
and illustrator.

>     1) Who or What got you interested in learning origami?
        When I saw the origami tree in the window of Japan Airlines (?) on fifth
avenue about ten years ago, I decided to find an origami book to take it as a
Christmas present to my youngest brother  (at the time he was 20) in Colombia.
I bought Origami Omnibus and I got hooked. I had to buy an extra copy for him.

>     2) Was it a solitary pursuit or a collaborative effort?
        It has been mostly a solitary pursuit.  But I have gone to three
     conventios
and enjoyed them a lot.

>     3) Do you do it as a hobby?
Yes.

>     4) Did you learn it as a child?
As a child I figured out on my own how to make a boat that somebody had shown
me. I learnt a sort of a flapping bird and nothing else but I was always
fascinated when (occasionally)I saw one.  On the other hand, as a child, my
youngest brother (I have one sister and two brothers) learned to make a
jumping frog. He used to make a frog for each member of the family. Then, he
would have jump competitions and announce to the member of the family whose
frog had won.  (Hence my desire to bring a book to him)

>     5) What models do you remember from childhood and are they commonly
>found basic origami books?

I have never seen the boat I made in any origami book, but I don't think I
have looked hard enough. I thing that is a classic that is made with a
rectangular piece of paper  (I would identify it is as "that boat that
everybody knows").

>     6) Do you teach it to groups formally or informally?

Yes, I teach it.
(What is the difference between informal and formal teaching?)

>     7) Are you a professional who makes a living from origami books,
>workshops etc.?
No.

>     8) Have you done family oriented workshops?
I have not done any family oriented workshop.

Last September however,  my parents and I met in Dominican Republic for  one
week of vacation.  Since they now have their first grandaugther, I thought it
would be nice to teach them some origami so that they could in turn teach it
or play with her.  I did not have great expectations and thought that perhaps
they would  pay attention to me for an hour and then loose interest. Well, I
had never seeing two people who were more interested and eager to learn.  Our
nights were filled with laughter and squares. It was not that easy for them
but the did not give up. They laughed so hard when one of the birds was
crooked !
They folded so many flapping birds that just about every kid in that hotel got
one.
Every night, after dinner, they wanted no other entertainment than to fold
paper.
When I run out of origami paper, they cut every tourist brochure and magazine
into squares.
 We also folded a nun (a whole convent!) by Kasahara, and  the pinwheel-ring-
pinwheel by Robert Neale.  What a Caribbean trip!
In the Christmas holidays I saw my parents again in Colombia . They now have a
whole origami corner at home, and we folded some other models. Even a Fuse
box!
It has been so fulfilling to be able to share origami with them. It has been
an experience I never thought could happen, it has been great joy!

>     9) Do you think origami could become as popular in America as it has
>become in Japan or do you think
>most Americans are too impatient?  ( I find many kids and adults don't have
>long enough attention spans to go beyond basic origami)

(??)

>    10) I think it could be a good family activity if young parents could be
>turned on to the fun, educational
>and cultural benefits-What do you think?

Young parents and old parents as well! (see number 8)





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:51:18 -0600
From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: origami and family traditions

My first childhood origami experience was from my mother.  Being very
practical, she said, you can never tell when you might need a cup for a
drinking fountain with no pressure or to carry liquid so here is how to
make one from paper.  She used notebook paper so had to show us how to
make it square first.  I didn't know for many years that this was
origami, but had many an occasion to use the cup.

Carole





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:23:57 -0500
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Subject: Re: (NO): Links from Joseph Wu's Web page
Priority: normal

On 27 Feb 98 at 10:41, Joseph Wu wrote:

> >Maybe we need to spawn an origami-internet-l sub-list... :o)
>
> Maybe... Should I ask MIT if they're willing to host it?  8)

Just so long as I don't have to moderate it...:o)

  /B\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:59:21 -0500 (EST)
From: DRAPY1 <DRAPY1@AOL.COM>
Subject: Paul Jackson's Art

I know I am not alone in having received postcard notification of the
Southeastern Origami Festival.  I want to ask about the pictures on the face
of the card, the two pieces by Paul Jackson, both of which are untitled,
though one is described as "Sphere" and the other "Bowl."  To me both pieces
are more beautiful than words can say and  I've got the card up by my desk, to
admire and for inspiration.  My question is the usual one--are instructions or
diagrams for these pieces available anywhere?  I'll be content to admire if
the answer is negative, but as long as I feel any aspirations to make
something beautiful I look for the opportunity to try, so I'll appreciate any
help.

At any rate, my compliments to Mr. Jackson for his splendid creations.

Thanks,
Dana Rapisardi

drapy1@aol.com





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:14:24 -0800
From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone Model

> Greetings all.
>         My name is David Chow, and I have just joined this list.  Does anyone
 happen
> to know which one of Robert Harbin's books contains the model for the
> Jackstone?  I folded it at the PCOC convention but missed the source, and my
> reverse-engineering it is not going to happen anytime soon.  Thank you very
> much for your help!
>
> Have fun!
>
> David C.
>
>

Among possible others:

"More Origami" (Britain)

"New Adventures in Origami", Barnes & Noble Published 1982, ISBN 0-06-463555-4





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:15:04 -0400
From: Cecilia Juarez <cjuarez@UB.EDU.AR>

Hello everybody!
My name is Cecilia and I am from Argentina. I want to tell you that I am
new in this matter of mailing lists and also in the origami art. In my
country this is not very popular so I can not find any books about how to
do this. In another words: I need help.
Thank you and have a nice day!
P.D: excuse me for my English!





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:51:09 -0700
From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: origami enthusiast survey

> 1) Who or What got you interested in learning origami?

I won't say who got me interested in origami, I'll just say I did it to stop
thinking of her 24 hours a day!

> 2) Was it a solitary pursuit or a collaaborative effort?Solitary mostly.  But
 I
look forward to conventions and such, for as much collaboration as I can get.

> 3) Do you do it as a hobby?

As opposed to what?  An obsession?  Let's just say it's an obsessive hobby.

> 4) Did you learn it as a child?

Only the classic folds such and the crane and the frog, and lots of paper
airplanes.

>   5) What models do you remember from childhood and are they commonly
> found basic origami books?

Ooops!  Already answered that one.  Yes they are.  Oh, and I forgot the water
bomb, and the cootie catcher, and the popper.  And the paper triangle used for
table top football.

> 6) Do you teach it to groups formally or informally?

I've taught it to friends informally.  And one exotic dancer.

>  7) Are you a professional who makes a living from origami books,

No way!

> >     8) Have you done family oriented workshops?

All except for the ....., well never mind.

> 9) Do you think origami could become as popular in America as it has
> become in Japan or do you think most Americans are too impatient?

I'm not sure how popular it is in Japan. I'll have to except Joseph Wu's
comments.But I have to believe it must be a bit more popular in Japan then the
US.  I can't imagine it becoming a theme for a game show here (Even if it is
 just
one episode).  Nor can I imagine us putting out a thick glossy book sized
magazine.

Actually, I kind of like the relative obscurity of origami.  If origami became
more popular,  you couldn't always be sure to amaze people when you show them
something new like the "Rose Cube".  Besides, do you really believed that if the
origami "artists", could actually make money at it, they would be so willing to
share their diagrams and teach their creations to the rest of us?

> 10) I think it could be a good family activity if young parents could be
> turned on to the fun, educational and cultural benefits-What do you think?

Sure, why not?
--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeanors any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:48:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Davegchow <Davegchow@AOL.COM>
Subject: The Jackstone Model

Greetings all.
        My name is David Chow, and I have just joined this list.  Does anyone
     happen
to know which one of Robert Harbin's books contains the model for the
Jackstone?  I folded it at the PCOC convention but missed the source, and my
reverse-engineering it is not going to happen anytime soon.  Thank you very
much for your help!

Have fun!

David C.





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:45:44 -0600
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone Model

I was going to respond privately but it seemed that more than one person wanted
     the info.  You can find the Jackstone in "New Adventures in Origami" by
     Robert Harbin If it helps the ISBN number on my copy is 0-06-463555-4

According to the book it was previosly published in the old Origamian
     newsletter.

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mSaliers <saliers@concentric.net>
Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: The Jackstone Model

>> Greetings all.
>>         My name is David Chow, and I have just joined this list.  Does anyone
> happen
>> to know which one of Robert Harbin's books contains the model for the
>> Jackstone?  I folded it at the PCOC convention but missed the source, and my
>> reverse-engineering it is not going to happen anytime soon.  Thank you very
>> much for your help!
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>> David C.
>>
>>
>
>Among possible others:
>
>"More Origami" (Britain)
>
>"New Adventures in Origami", Barnes & Noble Published 1982, ISBN 0-06-463555-4





Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:28:41 -0600
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone Model

I can't believe I replyed to a reply.
AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net





Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:22:17 +0100
From: maarten@rc.service.rug.nl (Maarten van Gelder)
Subject: [NO Admin] Be nice to your administrator

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Date:         Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:09:19 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject:      [NO Admin] Be nice to your administrator
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

I've been getting a lot of errors from people who have full mailboxes. What
most systems do when a mailbox is full is that they automatically return
the mail to the sender. That means that I'm getting multiple copies of list
mail with error messages attached because some people aren't clearing out
their mailboxes. This often happens when people are away from their email
for a long time (gone on a trip, perhaps?). So, please, keep your mailboxes
clear, and if you're going away, set yourself to NOMAIL (this was called
POSTPONE on the previous system) until you return. You can do this by
sending this command to <listserv@mit.edu>:

set origami nomail

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:36:30 +0000
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Paul Jackson's Art

Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA> sez

>I'm not sure if
>Paul's interested in diagramming these

I can assure you he isn't - they are works of art & it would be like
making a "paint it by numbers" Renoir...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:39:17 -0500
From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Paul Jackson's Art

Dana asked about Paul Jackson's "Sphere" and "Bowl" artworks.
Nick is correct in that Paul has no interest in diagramming
these works.  But don't think that he's being snooty.
in detail exactly how he *treated* the paper beforehand.
My understanding is that he covered the paper with
some kind of charcoal-wax combination and then folded it.
This probably helps the paper retain it's shape, as well
as give the folds a depth that normal paper wouldn't
allow.

If this kind of "pattern folding" intrigues you, I suggest
that you look for references to the work of Shuzo Fujimoto,
who pioneered repetative patterns of folds in the origami
community during the 70s and 80s.  Fujimoto has written
a book, but it's in Japanese, out of print, and impossible
to find.  Searching through the origami-l archives
for references to Fujimoto might be a help.

Good luck in your journey!

--- Tom "lucky shotgun" Hull
    Sommerville, MA
    thull@merrimack.edu





Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:01:29 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: origami enthusiast survey

On Friday, February 27, 1998 6:51 PM, Kim Best [SMTP:kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU]
 wrote:
> > 9) Do you think origami could become as popular in America as it has
> > become in Japan or do you think most Americans are too impatient?
>
> I'm not sure how popular it is in Japan. I'll have to except Joseph Wu's
> comments.But I have to believe it must be a bit more popular in Japan then the
> US.  I can't imagine it becoming a theme for a game show here (Even if it is
>  just
> one episode).  Nor can I imagine us putting out a thick glossy book sized
> magazine.

Well both of those examples are largely due to the work of YAMAGUCHI Makoto
 (owner of
Gallery Origami House) and of the Origami Tanteidan. Yamaguchi sees the
 promotion of
origami as his current occupation.

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:45:49 -0800
From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: folders in my area

To origamians in northeast CT,

      Are there some members out there in cyber space who maybe lurking on
the list somewhere near Vernon,
Connecticut?  I know of just one other member in Mansfield, CT, who I sub
for as an art teacher.  Vernon is
twenty minutes east of Hartford.  This list is pretty big, but maybe not
that big!  Anyway, it can't hurt to
ask.

       By the way, thirty six members from this international list have
replied to my little survey and I'm
working out the results to share with you soon.  It seems that some folders
are fanatics ( in a good way),
including myself.

May the fold be with you!
Ria Sutter





Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:17:19 -0300
From: Gallo P & H <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Subject: One Argentine more in the list!!!

Hola!!!

Bienvenida!!! Welcome to the list!!!

At 19:15 27/02/1998 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello everybody!
>My name is Cecilia and I am from Argentina.
>I want to tell you that I am
>new in this matter of mailing lists and also in the origami art.

Saludos desde Aqu. Cheers.

Patricia Gallo
halgall@netverk.com.ar
My Origami Home Page  http//:www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall
No te preocupes est en espaol.





Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:51:40 +0800
From: Ian & Karen Mitchell <paris@ACCESSIN.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: origami enthusiast survey - type reply
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Here's my two cents worth:

1) Who or What got you interested in learning origami?
Like most children made standard waterbombs, salt cellars etc.. but was
intrigued by Harbin's Origami television series..particularly his "flower
ball" which I made (but now forgotten).

2) Was it a solitary pursuit or a collaborative effort?
Solitary definitely... though in mathematics at high school had a teacher
who was strong on geometry.. used cardboard to make dodecahedrons (pity
wasn't origami)

3) Do you do it as a hobby?
Yes.. my own form of amusement/challenge/despair/frustration/meditation

4) Did you learn it as a child?
Yes.. bought Origami 1,2,3 by Harbin (based on TV series).. later parents
bought me Secrets of Origami by Harbin

5) What models do you remember from childhood and are they commonly
found basic origami books?
Butterfly from back of Rupert(the bear) book (I still fold), crane, flapping
bird, frog.. all in basic books.

6.) Do you teach it to groups formally or informally?
No.. only nephews nieces.. those interested in a particuler model

7.) Are you a professional who makes a living from origami books,
workshops etc.? I recognize some names like Joseph Wu in this category and I
hope they will respond.
I wish.... :)

8) Have you done family oriented workshops?
See six. Though would love to teach children

9) Do you think origami could become as popular in America as it has
become in Japan or do you think most Americans are too impatient?  ( I find
many kids and adults don't have long enough attention spans to go beyond
basic origami)
In America from what I've seen on the Web it is enormously popular.. only
wish the case were so here in Australia

10) I think it could be a good family activity if young parents could be
turned on to the fun, educational and cultural benefits-What do you think?
Isn't it already a good family activity.. modulars are perfect for
families.. everyone can make part of the whole!!

Actually I hadn't done any origami for quite a stretch.. but working with my
autistic daughter (4) used it to teach basic shapes with one piece of paper.
Square would become rectangle (folded horizontally),or triangle (folded
diagonally),and she shows great interest in my pieces.. particularly
delights in recognising animals.. shortly before trying to depiece them. :)

Ian
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 02:00:01 +0100
From: Maarten van Gelder <maarten@rc.service.rug.nl>
Subject: ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

How to UNSUBSCRIBE from this list ...
   Send a message to:                        listserv@mit.edu
   with in the body a line saying only:      signoff ORIGAMI

You may have PROBLEMS with your (un)subscription:
 - The unsubscribe is not effectuated within a reasonable time (some days).
 - You get all messages twice (via two email addresses).

In both cases, send a mail to the list owners:

  origami-request@mitvma.mit.edu

mentioning which email address to remove from the list.
The list owners are human beings with a limited amount of time, so be patient
while awaiting your deletion from the list.

When you don't get messages from the list (even not your own messages) you
are probably set to NOMAIL. You can do it yourself (when going on holiday),
but in the past months it happend to several members at random.  To set the
For those of you who have forgotten how to ACCESS the ARCHIVES ......
You may get information, programs, diagrams, old messages and other stuff
from the archives via FTP, WWW and Email. The FAQ tells you how to do this.
   Send a message to:                        origami@www.rug.nl
   with in the body a line saying only:      faq

MIND: THE THREE EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 06:48:40 -0600
From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: One Argentine more in the list!!!

Greetings from Miami Florida
Carole





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:38:20 +0800
From: Ian & Karen Mitchell <paris@ACCESSIN.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone Model
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

David wrote
> Does anyone happen to know which one of Robert Harbin's books contains the
> model for the Jackstone?

The orignal book was
More Origami:The art of Paper folding No2
ISBN 0 340 15384 9
First printed 1971 (went to print 3 times that year)
--I have a copy :)

The Jackstone was by Jack Skillman

Ian
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:17:15 -0800
From: mSaliers <saliers@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone.

> David Chow's enquiry about the Jackstone takes me back in time.When I attended
> PCOC last November, I noticed that it was being taught, but I had my mind on
> other things and didn't get involved. Perhaps now is the time to look back.

... more text ...

Marvelous article, David.  I had not realized that when folding this model
that it had such an historical legacy.  I'm going to have to go back
and "Fold It Again, Sam"

My general cultural question is ...

The Jackstone, though a marvelous piece of Origami, doesn't resemble
very much what kids in my neighborhood (in the States) called "Jacks"
(which look something like a model of methane, CH4 -- 3 pieces of metal
with a bulb on one end crisscrossing each other at right angles).

Do children in the UK play with jacks that actually look like the
Jackstone, or is the name strictly a flight of fancy?





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:25:16 -0500 (EST)
From: DLister891 <DLister891@AOL.COM>
Subject: The Jackstone.

David Chow's enquiry about the Jackstone takes me back in time.When I attended
PCOC last November, I noticed that it was being taught, but I had my mind on
other things and didn't get involved. Perhaps now is the time to look back.

The Jackstone is one of those brilliant models that stands out as a landmark
in the history of Western paperfolding it burst upon the origami world in the
issue of the Origamian for spring, 1965, just at the time when the Origami
Portfolio Society was being  formed in England. (That was the issue that
profiled Florence Temko.) The Origamian had previously printed a Profile of
Jack Skillman in the autumn of 1962, but it had contained only hint of the
Jackstone, or "Hexatetrahedron" as it was alternatively named. Jack is
reported to have said that: "This many-pointed star-form, folded from a single
sheet, is so complicated that I spent all day working out the
instructrctions". The Origaman also said that Jack was the creator of origami
models that were sometimes highly complex, sometimes simple, sometimes
gracefully beautiful. In a sense, the Jacksone combined all of these
qualities.

For those who do not know it, the Jackstone is a cube with a pyramid on each
of the six faces, and it is folded from a single uncut square of paper. (I
wonder, in fact whether "hexatetrahedron" is strictly the correct name for it,
because the six pyramids each has four triangular faces and a square base.)
The model resembles the jackstones whch children used to use in the game of
"Jacks", I have not seen the game played in recent years and wonder if it is
still popular. Jack Skillman sent  several of his paper-folded jackstones to
Lillian Oppenheirmer at the Origami Center, with a set of instructions he had
devised. But the model was much too tricky for Lillian or anyone else at the
Origami Center to fold: this was right outside their own kind of comparatively
simply models. Nor did they find Jack's instructions much use.

Copies were sent to Fred Rohm and he managed to "crack" the Jackstone. More
than that, he managed to devise a way of folding it that was more
straightforward than Jack Skillman's own method. He demonstrated his method at
the Origami Convention held in New York in the autumn of 1964. After this,
instructions for the Jackstone came to be printed in the Origamian for spring
1965. Even so, the challenge of drawing diagrams was dodged and the
instuctions were accompanied by photographs. Shortly after Fred Rohm's method
was set down, Raymond McLain visited the Origami Center and was asked to try
them out. He succeeeded in folding the Jacksone and, moreover pointed out what
nobody had hitherto realised, that the model was based on a doubly blintzed
frog or lily base.

The Jackstone made an immediated impact upon the then small world of
paperfolders. To fold the Jackstone was regarded as the summit of paperfolding
achievement. It became a subject for discussion in the young Origami Portfolio
Society and later, the British Origami Society. At that time, although there
were a few modular models, (though not yet known by the name ,"modular"), the
later enthusism for modular folding of complex polyhedra had not yet started,
so  paperfolded polyhedra of any kind were a novelty. Nor had folding of any
kind become very complex, so the Jackstone emerged as a very unusual, very
complex and very challenging model and folders wrestled to complete it. I'm
proud to recall that I myself managed to complete it from the instructions in
the Origamian!

Complex as it was, for the time of its creation, the Jackstone  was, in a
sense, very simple in that it was classical in its appearance. Once they had
mastered it, folders began to look for other challenges. One suggestion was
for a cube with another cube on each face - a sort of three-dimensional Greek
cross. I do not recall seeing a completed model of this mind, but it it was
achieved, I shall be glad if anyone willl tell me about it. Bennett Arnstein
in particular, took up the challenge of folding Origami Polyhedra and
published a book with that title, but none of his models achieved anything
like the distincltion of the Jackstone.

When Robert Harbin wrote his book, "Secrets of Origami", which was published
in 1963, he included a section about Jack Skillman. But although the Jackstone
had been in existence for ten years by then and was Jack's most famous model,
Robert Harbin made no attempt to diagram it. Jack Skillman is represented in
"Secrets opf Origami" by some furniture, which is interestingly, an early
example of what became known as box folding (also called "box-pleating").
Robert Harbin's next book of origami was published in1968 and was called
"Teach Yourself Origami, The Art of paper-Folding".It still did not contain
the Jackstone. It was not until 1971 that the Jackstone appeared in "More
Origami - The Art of Paper-Folding No.2". The drawings in Robert Harbin's
first book, "Paper magic" had been drawn by the Australian, Rolf Harris, who
was a genius of an artist, but Rolf was not available for "Secrewts of
Origami", so Robert Harbin, who had never drawn a thing before, decided to do
the job himself. He completed the drawings for the whole book, but found that
he had improved so much in the course of the book that the early designs were
poor compared to the later ones. So he started to draw the whole of the
illustrations for "Secrets of Origami" again. By the time he came to "More
Origami", he presumably felt competent to tackle the Jackstone. His diagrams
follow the general method of Fred Rohm's as shown in the photographic sequence
in the Origamian. but Robert Harbin adds several extra steps and his diagrams
are much clearer."Patience here", he writes on page128; "Struggle on" on page
129; "Very difficult now" on page 130; then "Easier now" until victory is
eventually achieved on Page 133. "You deserve a medal", he commends!

Robert Harbin's series of paperbacks went under several names. "Teach Yourself
Origami" was published in the United States as "Origami - the Art of
Paperfolding". In Britain it later became "Origami 1". "More Origami"appeared
in the United States as "New Adventures in Origami". Eventually it became
"Origami 2". It was followed by "Origami 3" and by the now rare "Origami 4".
The numbered sequence seems natural enough but Mick Guy, who is now successor
to Robert Harbin as President of the British Origami Society had previously
written a book which he had called "Origami One". Mick has been known to
express the view (in the nicest possible way, of course) that Robert Harbin
took the idea from him. Anyway, Mick never wrote his own "Origami Two".

Jack Skillman was not a prolific folder and achieved nowhere near the vast
repertoire of models of contemporary folders such as Neal Elias or Fred Rohm.
Yet, he was one of the most important of American folders.

Jack Skillman was black and was born in 1915 or 1916 at Terre Haute in
Indiana. When he was aged 13, he and his brothers saw an advertisement in
Harper's magazine for Murray and Rigney's "Fun with Paper Folding" and they
saved up to buy it. He was not the only person to be introduced to
paperfolding by this book. Unlike many purchasers of it, however, he continued
to practise paperfolding until is becane something if an obsession for him..
What is most remarkable is that he developed an ability to create his own
models, something that was virtually unknown at that time outside Japan, Spain
or Argentina

Jack was called up into the United States Army from 1942 to 1948 and continued
to fold paper. He picked up new models wherever he could find them and when he
was in Bavaria, learnt various versions of what he called the Sandinavian
Star, but which has many other names, including the Swedish Star and the
Moravian Star. While in England he and his colleagues gave parties for
orphaned children where Jack's paper folds featured.  After the war he
continued for a time as a regular soldier, before settling in Chicago, where
he became a clerk in the Department of Education. He was one of those folders
with whom Gershon Legman made contact, though we do not know when this
happened. Jack continued folding paper until that remarkable period in the
1950s, when other people took up an interest in paperfolding, quite
independently of one another. Suddenly, the whole thing coalesced, and the
Origami Center became a clearing house which linked paperfolding enthusiasts
together. Jack was onw of them. He first wrote to Lillian Oppenheimer at the
Origami Center in January, 1959, just three months after the Center had been
formed as a series of origami classes. A few months later, in May,1959, he
contributed a rooster, a two-piece hobby horse and some geometric folds to the
Cooper Union Museum exhibition, "Plane Figures and Fancy Folding". Jack became
a friend of Sam Randlett, who had also written to Lillian Oppenheirmer when
the Origami Center was first formed and who also lived in the Chicago area.

Jack Sillman became one of the members of that distinguished small group of
folders who transformed Western paperfolding in the 1960s. But, as I have
said, he was not prolific and it is a matter for regret that he did not
publish his own book of models. It is not often realised that he was the first
creative folder of them all. He died on 11th December, 1977, aged 62. He will
always be ranked among the great paperfolders and the Jackstone will always be
his memorial.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:31:13 -0800
From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: folders in my area

I'm trying to find other folders who may be lurking on the list who may live
near my town of Vernon, CT.
Sometimes my messages don't go through to the list because I make a lot of
computer protocol errors or
typing and spelling errors in the e mail address.  If there is somebody,
would you e mail me or write to
me since I'm the only one in the phone book listed in Vernon my address is
easy to find.

If this message has already been sent and I'm repeating myself, I appologize
for the repetition.  By the
way, I'll be working on the info I've gotten from my list and sharing those
results from almost forty of
the list members who responded to my survey.  Hope you find it interesting,
as I did.

Regards,
Ria





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:16:15 -0500
From: Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET
Subject: Origami Sighting
Comments: To: Origami List - MIT <ORIGAMI@MIT.EDU>

The March/April 1998 issue of National Geopgraphic Traveler has an article
in it's "Short Takes" section on Nagasaki Peace Park, Japan.  It mentions
the Peace Statue and relflecting pool, then, "On either side of the pool sit
simple grey stone shrines trimed with long strings of "thousands of
cranes" - brightly colored origami shapes representing one of Japan's most
loved birds, a symbol of long life filled with happiness."

Janet Hamilton

mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:05:22 -0500
From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone.

Wonderful biography!...

There was something magical when I finally got the jackstone to
work--the way all the precreasing suddenly springs into 3D form.  In a
way, your note on Jack Sillman made a 2-d name on the page transform
into a living human being.  Hope it inspires me to as much creativity as
he had!

Thanks

-peace

Dahlia





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 20:10:26 -0500 (EST)
From: LLB212 <LLB212@AOL.COM>
Subject: Involvement in origami
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

In response to a question about how people got involved in origami
        Origami was not a tradition in my family.  My father had Japanese
     friends and
one of them gave me a children's origami book in Japanese.  I did not and do
not read Japanese.  I learned to fold the models from the diagrams.  I am
still more comfortable learning from diagrams than in a class.
        I loved the sitting crane and still do.  I never get tired of folding
     it.  I
did not like the rest of the models.  The multiform house/kimono/piano didn't
really look like anything as far as I was concerned.  The samurai helmet
looked nice but was presented without landmarks.  I found that really
disturbing for someone learning on his own from a book in a foreign language.
        I kept folding the crane and the waterbomb and had no real hopes for
     origami.
Then, in the Marlboro book store that used to be on the east side of Times
Square, I came across Modern Origami (a first edition I still have) and it
changed my life.  I suddenly realized that many things were possible in
origami.  I now know that there were other interesting origami books at the
time.  I have always been a haunter of bookstores.  I never saw those books.
When I happened to be at the Museum of Natural History while a Friends of
Origami teaching session was going on, I joined up.
        My previous experience with difficulty finding books has led me to buy
     just
about any book that I have any interest in.  As a result I own both Viva!
Origami and Origami for the Connoisseur.  I also have almost no room for
myself in my apartment.

Leon L. Bernhardt





Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:55:27 +0100
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone.

>The Jackstone, though a marvelous piece of Origami, doesn't resemble
>very much what kids in my neighborhood (in the States) called "Jacks"
>(which look something like a model of methane, CH4 -- 3 pieces of metal
>with a bulb on one end crisscrossing each other at right angles).

My origamist heart goes back to those good old times when I succeeded to
fold the Jackstone.... a really tough model after so many relatively simple
models in Harbin's books...
My chemist heart is a bit surprised on hearing about a model of methane with
pieces crossing at "right" angles...... CH4 is a tetrahedral molecule, and
its bonds cross at "tetrahedral" angles (10928')...... <:-)

Roberto
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 23:04:05 -0600
From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: UK online book store
Comments: To: origami-l@nstn.ca

For those interested,  http://www.bookshop.co.uk is a UK online
bookstore that may carry books not available in the US.  FYI your
search for origami books.





Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:13:31 -0800
From: morpha <morpha@COLUMBIA-PACIFIC.INTERRAIN.ORG>
Subject: Re: origami enthusiast survey

>      1) Who or What got you interested in learning origami?
I bought an origami kit from Cost Plus when I was around 10 years old.
The kit included paper and an instruction booklet of traditional folds.
I had trouble completing many of the models, but I hung onto the paper
for many years.  I think that really, I was in love with the colorful
paper.

I reactivated my interest a little over a year ago with much greater
success.

>      2) Was it a solitary pursuit or a collaaborative effort?
Solitary.

>      3) Do you do it as a hobby?
Yes, but I have also sold models at a craft fair.

>      4) Did you learn it as a child?
Not very well.

>      5) What models do you remember from childhood and are they commonly
> found basic origami books? Cootie catcher, airplanes, water bomb, cup, crane,
 etc.

>      6) Do you teach it to groups formally or informally?
I have taught informally.

>      7) Are you a professional who makes a living from origami books,
> workshops etc.?
No.
>      8) Have you done family oriented workshops?
No, but would like to.

>      9) Do you think origami could become as popular in America as it has
> become in Japan or do you think
> most Americans are too impatient?  ( I find many kids and adults don't have
> long enough attention spans to
> go beyond basic origami)
I would like to see origami become more popular as a family activity in
the US, but television and video games are tough to compete against.

>     10) I think it could be a good family activity if young parents could be
> turned on to the fun, educational
> and cultural benefits-What do you think?
Yes, if I had children, I would like to teach them to fold.

Cathy Nist





Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:12:16 -0300
From: "Jorge C. Lucero" <lucero@IPE.MAT.UNB.BR>
Subject: Re: One Argentine more in the list!!!

Cecilia:

Welcome! Bienvenida, compatriota!

Jorge

lucero@mat.unb.br
http://www.mat.unb.br/~lucero/





Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:33:57 +0800
From: Soh Kam Yung <firstspeaker@GEOCITIES.COM>
Subject: Re: The Jackstone.

The Jackstone is a masterpiece and a wonderful way to impress people...};-)

I can now fold it from memory and it remains my favourite origami piece
after all these years.

BTW, I own all four of Harbin's "Origami" books in paperback.  They are in
a somewhat tattered condition now.  Sorry, but I do *not* intend to sell
them for any price or secret of origami folding offered...};-)

At 12:25 PM 3/1/98 EST, DLister891 wrote:
>[Rest of impressive article deleted]
>
>Robert Harbin's series of paperbacks went under several names. "Teach
Yourself
>Origami" was published in the United States as "Origami - the Art of
>Paperfolding". In Britain it later became "Origami 1". "More Origami"appeared
>in the United States as "New Adventures in Origami". Eventually it became
>"Origami 2". It was followed by "Origami 3" and by the now rare "Origami 4".
>[...]
--
Soh Kam Yung <firstspeaker@geocities.com>
homepage: <http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/2785/>
  "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
  -- Mayor Salvor Hardin, "Foundation", by Isaac Asimov





Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:00:30 -0500
From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@MA.ULTRANET.COM>
Subject: Magic Rose Cube Workshop - MA/NH

Hi All,

  Valerie Vann's Magic cube Rose was the subject of a workshop
conducted by Dennis Brannon at the last monthly meeting of the
Littleton Massachusetts Origami Group.

  There are now four members of the group willing to conduct
additional workshops on the Rose, in the area north of Boston
and into southern New Hampshire.

  If you are interested in such a workshop, please EMail me
privately at rlemieux@ma.ultranet.com. Indicate the city
or town that you live in, and the time you can attend.

  I will then determine the most convenient time and place to
conduct the workshop.

Happy folding,

Bob





Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:17:19 -0500
From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@SNET.NET>
Subject: Re: A question to copyrights and etiquette
Julius writes:

>I have a question to copyrights and etiquette for in origami. It's clear
>that all diagrams and photos somone make are covered by the copyright law,
>but what about the models.
>
>In other words it is illegal to sell models not created by myself.
>Etiquette says, that as I remember well, that the name of the creator
>passed on with the model, even if you give it away.

I think of origami models as being the sheet music, and the folder is the
musician.  There is certainly honor and hard work involved in being a
musician, as well as a composer.  It should be reasonable to get
compensation for either.

Unfortunately there's never been any sort of licensing arrangement for
professional folders to use a set of copyrighted diagrams in exchange for
royalties.  Royalties through the sale of books, yes, but that's pennies of
profit for every dollar on printing and warehousing.  A few creators seem
to be cultivating some entrepreneurial sense via the Internet--you may
download unpublished diagrams in exchange for a certain payment.
Pay-per-view, as it were.

But back to your question.  You can sell models, just as you can sell
home-made recordings.  You can also play a piece of music just for a friend
without handing out liner notes, so I wouldn't worry about models you just
give as gifts.

If a model has been copyrighted, that must be indicated.  If not, then the
creator should get an acknowledgment.  If it were me, I would have some
inexpensive business cards made up with my name and a way of contacting me,
then write the name and creator of the model on the bottom:  "Chinese Junk,
traditional" or  "Stalking Cat by Patricia Crawford."  If you had several
Patricia Crawford models, you could market them as a collection!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:29:27 +0100
From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: A question to copyrights and etiquette

Hi all

I have a question to copyrights and etiquette for in origami. It's clear
that all diagrams and photos somone make are covered by the copyright law,
but what about the models.

In other words it is illegal to sell models not created by myself.
Etiquette says, that as I remember well, that the name of the creator
passed on with the model, even if you give it away.

Thanks in advance for answering

Julius





Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:42:26 -0500
From: joyce saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: Magic Rose Cube Workshop - MA/NH

Bob:
If you need a fifth member for the Rose Cube team, add my name. I  folded
rose cubes all the way to Mexico and charmed all of the flight attendants
with presents. Dennis taught me the week before I left.

Talk to you soon about money paper.

Joyce
