




Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:11:15 -0700
From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Subject: Languages of North America

I'm glad to see that people recognize that North America is larger than the
USA, however, you need to look north, too. We in Canada are in fact a much
larger part of North America than the US, at least in land area - yes ( and
including both Alaska and Hawaii) and we have two official languages,
English and French. Although there is some suggestion that the "sound" of
Western Canadian English, where I now live, is much like that of the
western States, we still have our idiosyncratic language habits, eh! People
can always tell a Canadian by the way they pronounce House and Out, as
well.

Since I am originally from Newfoundland, I want to say that this unique
part of Canada maintains in its dialects many of the old English terms of
Elizabethan and later times. My father called mittens cuffs! (Origami
related info: He also taught me the True lover's knot fold which I later
found in a Stephen Randlett book. I have no idea where he learned it.)
Newfoundlanders also have some names not used in other parts of the English
speaking world these days. In fact there is an entire "Dictionary of
Newfoundland English" which gives the flavour of the words if not the
actual sound. To match that Pidgin Hawaiian anecdote, a Newfoundlander
might say "Stay where you're to, till I comes where you're at." To continue
the thread, there are communities on the west coast of Newfoundland whose
first language is French and they too use old french terms no longer in
common use in either Quebecois or Parisian French.

Not really Origami related, I suppose, but interesting discussion,
nonetheless.

Nigel Pottle
fowlerj1@cadvision.com





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:19:42 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Origami Sighting: VISA Ad

In today's issue of the Globe & Mail (a Canadian newspaper), I saw an ad by
VISA showing a 4-man bobsled team made of origami. Does anyone know who did
the art for this ad? The work itself is very nice: very few folds that form
the smooth curves of the sled as well as the faces of the team members
(each folded separately).

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:33:39 -0700
From: "Michael G. Wareman" <mike.wareman@OLDSCOLLEGE.AB.CA>
Subject: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

Hello Fellow Folders:

I downloaded the Orchidee instructions and attempted to create the model
illustrated.  Since some needed help with this model I attempted to
write down the instructions as I puzzled out this model.  Below is the
result of my attempt at this model.  I need help with understanding
steps 9 as it helps out later with step 24.  Then I need help with the
final step that creates the Orchid flower.  Please read these
instructions and together maybe we can all make this model.  Below is
the web address for the Orchid flower model.
http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/modeles/modeles.html

Have Great Day
Good Bless
Michael

Orchidee

Step 1
White side up.
Fold in half diagonally.

Step 2
Fold in half horizontally and vertically.

Step 3
Fold in quarters horizontally and vertically.
Turn paper over (coloured side up).

Step 4
Fold outer quarters into eighths only.
Fold the corner points into the center, and unfold.
Turn paper over (white side up).

Step 5
I found that if I folded the sides of the square created in step 4, and
then flattened the raised points horizontally that was easiest for me to
do.

Step 6
Fold in half horizontally.

Step 7
Fold the right point upward.

Step 8 & Step 9
I did not understand these two steps.

Step 10
I think it says to repeat steps 8/9?

Step 11
Fold point down.

Step 12
Squash fold the pocket.

Step 13
Petal fold.  I find it helpful to pre-crease the lower part of the petal
fold.

Step 14
Open up the paper to release the two layers.  Refold the white face as
before on the existing creases.  The other layer should then fold down
as indicated in the picture.

Step 15
Fold resulting work back up.

Step 16
Repeat steps 11 to 15 on the other side.

Step 17
Crimp fold the model in half.  This should result in two pockets; one in
the front and one behind the wings.

Step 18
Squash fold the resulting pocket from step 17.

Step 19
Petal fold.

Step 20
Open up model to release the two layers of paper.  Refold similar to
step 15.

Step 21
Repeat steps 18 to 20 on the pocket on the other side of the model.

Step 22
Rotate model 180 degrees.  (Narrow point is pointing upwards.

Step 23
This is where I am not sure what is happening.  To me to get the
resulting image (step 24) a portion of the wings need to be reverse
folded along the vertical crease that already exist.
NOTE:  Do not forget to fold down the corners located between the left
and right wing sets.  If you do not do it here you will need to do it at
step 26 so that that step can be completed properly.
.
Step 24
Repeat step 23 on the back side of the model.
Pull the lower point upward.  As you do this squash fold the pyramid
that forms.
NOTE:  This is where what was done in step 9 and 10 become important.

Step 25
Fold the resulting point down.
Repeat step 24 (fold its point down).

Step 26
Reverse fold out the wings.  You may need to fold down the corners
between the left and right wing sets.  See step 23 for a hint as to what
should happen (the diamond did not get folded down!).

Step 27
Pull the lower point upward.  As you do this squash fold the pyramid
that forms.
Do you fold all four points upward?  Two require the squash folding of
the forming pyramid, and two are simply folded upwards.

Step 28
Not sure about this step.  Is it a crimp fold, or a sink?

Step 29
I do not understand this step at all.  A completed picture (photograph
would be helpful).





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:55:51 -0500
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

>
> Hello Fellow Folders:
>
> I downloaded the Orchidee instructions and attempted to create the model
> illustrated.  Since some needed help with this model I attempted to
> write down the instructions as I puzzled out this model.  Below is the
> result of my attempt at this model.  I need help with understanding
> steps 9 as it helps out later with step 24.  Then I need help with the
> final step that creates the Orchid flower.  Please read these
> instructions and together maybe we can all make this model.  Below is
> the web address for the Orchid flower model.
> http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/modeles/modeles.html

Thanks! I will save your translation and hope it will help me.
Step 9 as far as I figured is simply for the purpose of precreasing.
The outer flap on the right is being moved to point b. That little d at the
bottem indicates how far to the left the lower vertex of the trapazoid
should move.

>
> Step 8 & Step 9
> I did not understand these two steps.

Hopefully what I wrote above will help you.

>
> Step 10
> I think it says to repeat steps 8/9?
>
I like swiveled the points so that I can repeat steps 8 and 9.

>
> Step 13
> Petal fold.  I find it helpful to pre-crease the lower part of the petal
> fold.
>
Yep. That is how I did it.

>
> Step 17
> Crimp fold the model in half.  This should result in two pockets; one in
> the front and one behind the wings.
>
Here was my major problem as I held the figure upside down (180 degree
rotation) when I crimped.

>
> Step 23
> This is where I am not sure what is happening.  To me to get the
> resulting image (step 24) a portion of the wings need to be reverse
> folded along the vertical crease that already exist.
> NOTE:  Do not forget to fold down the corners located between the left
> and right wing sets.  If you do not do it here you will need to do it at
> step 26 so that that step can be completed properly.

This is where I am now stuck. I see what has to be done. I think :-)
But doing it is not as easy as it seems. I precreased all four sections.
I find this similar to a petal fold in the sense that you are moving down
the white part of the paper and at the same time causing a valley fold on
the upper points. It seems that each of the four points will have to be
reversed inside out and done simultaneously. The model keeps opening on me
and getting messed up.

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:57:59 +0000
From: John Smith <jon.pure@PASTON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Origami at the College Level

>In a message dated 98-02-20 11:15:07 EST, you write:

>    the difficulties of   Communicating Clearly with a User,
>    and                     User Training.
>

I wrote a project management course for senior executives and needed to give
syndicate exercises as a prelude
to introducing some of the basic ideas and applications of communication
theory in business.

I used John French's Pureland Boat, which being Pureland had landmarked
locations and only called for one crease at a time to be manipulated making
it ideal for the exercise. Each member in turn, of each syndicate, came
alone to the control point, without any model, and was shown the next fold
visualy, on a master, without any talking. When they were happy they went
back and had to communicate this to their syndicate and make the fold. As
soon as this was done the next syndiacte member had to rush back and get the
next move and so on until the model, or models, were successfully finished.

The actual syndicate activity could be to have only one model and each
member make a fold in turn, only speech
allowed for communication. Or each syndicate member could have their own
model but their 'teacher' had to explain the fold before doing their own.
Additionally only visual communication could be allowed etc.

The syndicates were in competition with each other in time and accuracy.
This was a very successful item and proved quite fascinating in it's own
right to the students, and a lot of fun as well.

I wont waste people's time with the lesson's to be drawn from the exercise
in the problems of communication
the models often gave an account of misunderstandings and failures in the
world picture,translation and getting feedback etc.

Thanks for a fascinating discussion well up to the best of the groups

John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:28:59 -0500
From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Subject: Re: flower instruction on website
Paul & Jan Fodor wrote:
>
> > You can find flowers at ...
> >
> >
> > "Andrea's Rose" by J.C. Nolan
> > "Dahlia" by Maarten van Gelder
> > "Rose" by Toshikazu Kawasaki
> >

A "Dahlia" -- cool.

Peace,

-Dahlia





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:16:31 -0600
From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Neale vs.. Stamm Dragon

Lawdy I hope you don't kill me, but I would try helping it out with
Post-it Glue sticks.  Art spray is good.  For serious preserving I use
casting plastic and a paint brush and work fast.

Carole





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:31:10 +0800
From: Ian & Karen Mitchell <paris@ACCESSIN.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Postscript diagrams
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

There is a  small program (303kb) on the net now for viewing Postscript
files in Windows called RoPS

It is shareware.. but has zoom, rotate, copy, print etc and was created by
Roger Willcocks (rkww@centprod.demon.co.uk)
(taken from text file)
>The RoPS interpreter is an implementation of the level 1 PostScript
>programming language interpreter described in Adobe Systems' book, the
>'PostScript language reference manual'.  RoPS is not an Adobe approved
>product.  The name 'PostScript' is a registered trademark of Adobe
>Systems Incorporated.
>RoPS runs Under Microsoft Windows (3.1, 3.11, NT, Windows-95).  Both
>16 and 32-bit versions are available.  You will need to install
>Microsoft's win32s system to run the 32-bit version of the program
>under 3.1x.  RoPS requires at least 4Mb of memory to function
>efficiently.
>Features:
>  + full Level 1 implementation
>  + uses TrueType fonts
>  + understands PostScript document structuring conventions:
>    can randomly access any page of a conforming document.
>  + handles colour (palette displays only)
>  + anti-aliases text
>  + can transfer PostScript documents to clipboard as graphics or text

You don't need all those ghostscript files and Dos modes.

As to the address.. I've forgotten.. but will endeavour to find it and will
post it later.. But I personally use it and find it's great.!!

I have found an address.. seems version 5 beta 2 is out now
the addr is http://www.opengate.co.uk/rops/

Ian

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:06:40 +0500
From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

Thank you Michael and Sheldon for your wonderful directions.  Please find
following my thoughts.

Michael G. Wareman writes:
 > I downloaded the Orchidee instructions and attempted to create the mode
 > illustrated.  Since some needed help with this model I attempted to
 > write down the instructions as I puzzled out this model.  Below is the
 > result of my attempt at this model.  I need help with understanding
 > steps 9 as it helps out later with step 24.  Then I need help with the
 > final step that creates the Orchid flower.  Please read these
 > instructions and together maybe we can all make this model.  Below is
 > the web address for the Orchid flower model.
 > http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/modeles/modeles.html

 > Orchidee

 > Step 5
 > I found that if I folded the sides of the square created in step 4, and
 > then flattened the raised points horizontally that was easiest for me t
 > do.

______________
note: free points out and closed point inside.

 > Step 6
 > Fold in half horizontally.

________________
note: open side up.

 > Step 7
 > Fold the right point upward.

 > Step 8 & Step 9
 > I did not understand these two steps.

_________________
Step 8 -- repeat step 7 on other three points.

Step 9
I found that if you crease the bisecting lines created by folding a to b and
then do the spread in step 24 carefully you can dispense with the other
fold.

 > Step 23
 > This is where I am not sure what is happening.  To me to get the
 > resulting image (step 24) a portion of the wings need to be reverse
 > folded along the vertical crease that already exist
 > NOTE:  Do not forget to fold down the corners located between the left
 > and right wing sets.  If you do not do it here you will need to do it a
 > step 26 so that that step can be completed properly

________________
This is similar to a petal fold on each of the wings reversing the color.
The model is now all white.

 > ..
 > Step 24
 > Repeat step 23 on the back side of the model.
 > Pull the lower point upward.  As you do this squash fold the pyramid
 > that forms.
 > NOTE:  This is where what was done in step 9 and 10 become important.

______________
I think this is a spread.  Working carefully spread the the top of the bird
base underneath so the petal lays flat.  Repeat on all sides.

 > Step 27
 > Pull the lower point upward.  As you do this squash fold the pyramid
 > that forms.
 > Do you fold all four points upward?  Two require the squash folding of
 > the forming pyramid, and two are simply folded upwards.

______________
Fold front and back petal upward.  (all four petals need to be spread as in
step 23 and then folded back down in step 25.)

 > Step 28
 > Not sure about this step.  Is it a crimp fold, or a sink?

______________
This is the locking step.  Holding all layers together with the two small
side petals, open front and back petal creasing on the horizontal line.
Note: This will cause a triangles to form along the diagonals created in
step 8.  Open the bottom petal to  form the lip of the flower.  Grasp the
top petal and pinch the two sides together and push inward causing a crimp
fold to form the tongue.  Flare the sides of the tongue (bird base like
shape).  Fold up the other two petals.

 > Step 29
 > I do not understand this step at all.  A completed picture (photograph
 > would be helpful).

_______________
Slip the point of b into a to form the hood of the flower...all done!

Hope most of this was clear.

--Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:57:51 -0500
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

> ________________
> This is similar to a petal fold on each of the wings reversing the color.
> The model is now all white.
>
>  > ..
>  > Step 24
>  > Repeat step 23 on the back side of the model.
>  > Pull the lower point upward.  As you do this squash fold the pyramid
>  > that forms.
>  > NOTE:  This is where what was done in step 9 and 10 become important.
>
> ______________
> I think this is a spread.  Working carefully spread the the top of the bird
> base underneath so the petal lays flat.  Repeat on all sides.
>
>
> --Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com
>
OK! My model looks exactly as shown in diagram 24.
I am trying to figure out what to do next.
Wow! It did not look possible, but the paper does refold itself to look like
depicted in diagram 25 once that squash is done. It did need some coaxing
from me.

Now for my question at this point. Obviously step 24 will repeat on the
reverse of the model, but is it also repeated on the right and left (as they
can be pivoted to become a front and reverse)? In essence is what is shown
ind diagram 24 done only 2 times, or is it done a total of 4?

This is fun :-)

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:01:22 -0500
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

>
> 24. Lift and flatten the first layer. This uses creases established in steps
>   9 and 10.
>
> 25. Fold the first layer down. Repeat steps 24-25 on the other three points.
>
> (Translator's note: the inset states 'side view of the front layer'. I'm
> afraid I cannot correlate this with my model. After this step, my model has
> once again fourfold symmetry.)

Great you just answered my question in the message that did not make it
through yet :-)

I'll post my progress as it progresses. Off to work now.

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:19:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: postscript files?
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

Some PostScript files have the explicit paper size in them.  If your
printer takes A4 size paper for example and the file asks for US Letter,
the printer will baulk at the statement and not do anything.  Typical of
(nearly ?) all PostScript printers to not produce anything if an error
is encountered.
Try editing the file (it is in a text format) and look for 'letter'
(or 'a4') and swap this with the paper size for your printer ('a4' or
'letter') :)

This is the most common cause of problems for me.  If your problem is
to do with another part of the PostScript file you will have to have
a more intimate knowledge of PostScript :-(
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
* Andrew Daw                 email:  andrewd@redac.co.uk          *





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:27:34 +0100
From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Subject: visiting your page...
Hi Joseph !!!

                        Visiting your page once again, I looked carefully at
     your creatures of
Myth, which I like very much.
I am a fan of your pig with wings, actually. Are you going to make
available the diagrams to fold others like the Maticore, centaur,etc ? It
would be great.....

                        Greetings,

                                        Ariel





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:44:57 +0100
From: jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

Sheldon Ackerman & Michael Wareman posted, in our continuing tries
to 'get' the orchid at

http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/modeles/modeles.html

I'll just add translations and comments where possible.
(Query: I'm not that well-versed in customs and usages around here.
Should we ask Patrick for input? It _is_ his model)

1., 2.  Just crease.
3. Crease and turn over.
4. Crease.
5. Fold the windmill base.
6. Fold double along a mountain fold.
7. Fold first panel.
8. Unfold to return to step 7.
9. Bring corner a to point b. Keep the point in place with fingers at
  points a and d. The model becomes 3-D. Crease firmly at c and unfold.
  Repeat steps 7-9 on the left and on the back of the model.

10. Swivel the inner points to the bottom. The outer points will come
  together 2 by two. Repeat step 9 on all 4 points.

(translator's note: as you fold down the two inner reverse folds, and
bring the two outer front points together, you need to fold what was the
center of the front layer into a reverse fold. I overlooked that first
time around. Same on the back layer, obviously.)

11. Fold down the point.
12. Open and squash.
13. Petal fold.
14. Open, turn inside out and flatten the paper on top.
15. Fold double over a valley fold.
16. Repeat 11-15 on the left side.
17. Crimp.
18. Squash the front layer.
19. Petal fold
20. Turn inside out and flatten.
21. Repeat 18-20 on the back of the model.
22. Turn upside-down.
23. Work on the four panels simultaneously. Note how this operation
  only uses creases that already had been marked.

(Translator's note: I used a reverse fold on all 4 points. Seemed to work out)

24. Lift and flatten the first layer. This uses creases established in steps
  9 and 10.

25. Fold the first layer down. Repeat steps 24-25 on the other three points.

(Translator's note: the inset states 'side view of the front layer'. I'm
afraid I cannot correlate this with my model. After this step, my model has
once again fourfold symmetry.)

26. Reverse the three points.

27. Lift all four petals.

(Translator's note: petals, not petal folds. No pyramids anymore at this
stage in my model.)

28. Double sink using already existing creases: insert your finger from the
top and form a pyramid starting from the base as you symmetrically separate
the inner layers two by two.

(Translator's note: here's where I'm stuck. This sink is similar to the one
that does me in with Daedalus, so I'll be pathetically grateful to anyone
who can talk me through it.)

29. View from the top - the square represents the hollow base of the four-
sided pyramid; pinch the top of the pyramid in rder to give a triangular
form to the base (suggested by the dashes). Insert your finger in point a
to form the <corolla/petal shell>. Point c should move towards the front to
form the <pistil/carpel>.

Right. It ought to be clear to everyone at this point that I'm not a profes-
sional translator. Still and all, I'm fully willing to discuss interpretations
with all comers :)

--
 Jurgen Pletinckx                           BARC         Etre une heure, rien
 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17         qu'une heure durant
 jpl@barclab.be                                          Beau, beau, beau
 Industriepark Zwijnaarde 7, B9052 Gent, Belgium         et con a la fois





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:51:45 -0500
From: ktomlinson@PLATINUM.COM
Subject: Littleton, MA, USA Origami Group Meeting 24 February 1998
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Hi,
Just a reminder the Littleton Origami Group is meeting at its usual time
from 7-9:00 at the town library.  Directions follow; hope to see you there!
Kristine Tomlinson
ktomlinson@platinum.com
When: Tuesday, 24 February 1998, 7:00 - 9:00.
Where: Small Conference Room, First Floor, Reuben Hoar Public Library,
Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.
Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.  This
intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic lights.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.
1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 119
    West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.
2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is
    a right hand fork -- this is one entrance to Shattuck Street.
If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite
Badger Funeral home. The sign says Town Offices.
There's parking to the left and rear of the building.





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:59:25 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: More thieves on the Web
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

I received the following email today.

>From: "Fironov Dmitry" <art@tlg.khv.ru>
>Subject: adress origami
>
>Hello!
>
>Some parts of your gallery of products origami. Were used in our gallery.
>You permit?
>
>http://origami.tlg.khv.ru/gallery.win
>http://origami.tlg.khv.ru/gallery2hall.win
>
>Fironov Dmitry
>Russia

What Dmitry did was to take photos from various origami sites (including my
own), modify them, and then show them on his site with a copyright notice
to himself. I recognised images from various other origami sites, although
I don't remember which ones. (I had thought that there were some of Eric
Andersen's images, but I was wrong.)

Anyway, it was a blatant act of plagarism, but made more strange by the
"asking of permission" after the fact, and also by his putting a copyright
on the graphics of his site (which he had taken from various people). I've
sent him a letter. If any of you wish to check if your images were taken,
take a look and send him some email explaining the error in his ways.
Here's what I sent back to him:

>Hello, Dmitry.
>
>The normal way to do things is to first ask permission, then use the
>pictures. You used the pictures first, then asked permission. This is very
>rude. In my country, this is also called "stealing" and it is a crime that
>can be punished by the law.
>
>On your pages, you include a copyright that says, "Graphics   1997, Dmitry
>Fironov. " This is not true. You have taken graphics belonging to other
>people, changed them without permission, and have called them your own.
>Again, this is stealing. A copyright means that no one is allowed to copy
>something without permission of the copyright holder. If you noticed, all
>of my photos have a copyright.
>
>I have one more question for you: why do you do this? These images are all
>available on the WWW. People can see them whenever they want. You could
>just put a link to those pages so that people can see those images. There
>is no reason to steal the images and use them on your own page. You are
>lying to your visitors because they will think that you created those
>images when you did not.
>
>To answer your question: NO, I do not permit you to use my images this way.
>Please remove them.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:23:28 -0500 (EST)
From: DMAWolf@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: LaFosse Exhibit
Comments: To: Origami@MIT.EDU

Hi
 The Phoenix Origami Society hosted a workshop on Monday and Michael LaFosse
announced that they will be producing a video tape of the exhibit.  They just
went home on Tuesday AM so give them a few weeks.  The name of their web page
is Origamido sorry don't have exact address available.
  The exhibit has the best roadrunner we have ever seen plus a really great
sidewinder rattlesnake .  ( life size from a single sheet of paper, but
complete with scales). It has more than 20 large models and is spectacular.
They do have wonderful cards with pictures available now.
  The exhibit is up until April 22  and he is adding to it all the time.  If
you all want to get out of the snow this is a reason to visit Arizona now.
  Hope this helps answer some of the questions.  No, I don't work for him I'm
just a fan of his work.
Diana Wolf





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:58:38 -0800
From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: origami and family traditions
Comments: To: Origami@MIT.EDU

Hi list members,

I was curious to find out if anybody on the list learned origami from
parents or grandparents like it's
been done in Asia.  I am working on teaching family workshops at the local
library.  A gift book with
origami paper was my first experience with my favorite hobby.  I enjoy
sharing it with others and I think
it's a great quiet family fun activity.  I created a binder of models and
directions which credits the
origami artists and has a pocket for paper and it can be borrowed at the
Reference Desk to be used at a
table nearby.  If people have problems with doing the models, they can come
to my origami club at the
library and get help.  My binder contains simple and intermediate models
around a monthly theme.

Ria Sutter





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:22:50 +0100
From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Subject: Animated Origami GIFs and Active X

Hi to all !!

                If you are working in the animated GIF area of origami, I
thought it might interest you that there is an active X control
to embedd animated GIFs into databases, visual basic and visual C
programs,etc. Here is the link.

http://www.toptown.com/nowhere/jinhui/anigif.htm





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:02:23 +0500
From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

Thanks to Jurgen Pletinckx for the wonderful translation.  The flower does
look better with an open throat.  And thanks to Patrick Gonzalez for such an
entertaining and beautiful model.

Jurgen Pletinckx writes:
   >28. Double sink using already existing creases: insert your finger
   >from the top and form a pyramid starting from the base as you
   >symmetrically separate the inner layers two by two.
   >(Translator's note: here's where I'm stuck. This sink is similar to
   >the one that does me in with Daedalus, so I'll be pathetically
   >grateful to anyone who can talk me through it.)

______________
I don't know about the Daedalus, what book is it in?

It might be more helpful to think about this move as an accordion fold.  The
problem with the turning is the amount of paper in the corners.  When the
throat is opened it looks like an inside out lily base with two small petals
pointing up and two small petals pointing out.  Holding at the corners of
one up facing petal push on the up fold line that bisects the diagonals of
step 8.  Reach inside and pinch the center of the petal to set the fold
line.  From the back side make sure the paper in the corners is folding up
into the fold.  Note: this will force the out facing petals downward.
Repeat for other up facing petal.  A little care should produce the desired
effect. Note: At this point two small petals will be pointing upward and the
rest of the petals (four long and two short) will be pointing downward.
Fold the down facing petals up to complete the fold.  I managed to do this
with 6" paper without tearing on the third try. :)

Jurgen Pletinckx:
   >29. View from the top - the square represents the hollow base of
   >the four- sided pyramid; pinch the top of the pyramid in order to
   >give a triangular form to the base (suggested by the dashes).
   >Insert your finger in point a to form the <corolla/petal shell>.
   >Point c should move towards the front to form the <pistil/carpel>.
   >Right. It ought to be clear to everyone at this point that I'm not
   >a professional  translator. Still and all, I'm fully willing to
   >discuss interpretations with all comers :)

________________
Just behind the pistil there is just about enough paper created by the
double sink turn and lock the pistil shape.  A doesn't slide into B and then
get creased to form the top triangle shown in the final drawing?

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:26:07 -0500
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Subject: (NO): Re: More thieves on the Web

In response to Joseph Wu's note about the Russian website that "borrowed" his
(an other folks') images, I'd like to point out that, according to U.S.
copyright law, the contents of a website are considered "published" materials.
Thus, even without a copyright statement or symbol, all contents of websites (in
this case those actually *located* in the U.S.) are covered by U.S. copyright
law.  Therefore, they may not be used without permission.

I do not know what laws protect published materials in Canada or Russia.
Obviously copyright laws help people within particular national boundaries and
are therefore obsolete in the borderless cyberspace universe.  However,
"netiquette" would suggest that one must get permission from the site owner
before using any content on someone else's website.

I too have had the contents of my websites stolen.  My favorite was the time I
found the *entire* text of one of my web pages download and then posted font for
font, word for word, html and all, on a webpage overseas.   The perp apologised
and deleted the page.   Another time one of my own photos (of some African women
with whom I worked in Kenya) was posted without my permission by a (get this)
journalism grad student at Columbia University.   I notified the program chair
and consequently the entire graduate student population received a lecture on
copyright law.   At a journalism school!

All we can do is continue to go after these folks however we can.
Unfortunately, for the time being, the task of educating others about copyright
culture is in our hands.

Candice

             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:30:40 -0500
From: Lucille Dan <ADan731534@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: origami and family traditions

To Ria Sutter:
Paper folding is not a tradition in my family, but as a child I was taught by
my ?father to fold a sailboat from a rectangle of paper. It had several steps
to it, but the first folds formed a sort of sailboat/party pirate hat. When
it was further developed, it turned into a compact floatable ship.
It's interesting (to me, at least) that in the 2 years that I've been folding
I've never seen this model anywhere.
Lucille Dan





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:24:23 -0500
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Subject: Re: (NO): Re: More thieves on the Web

Berne agreement is dated 1971 -- sources I am using for internet law are 1997.
But I am referring specifically to the idea that you need a copyright symbol to
protect your work.  I know you don't in the U.S., and I am *not sure* about the
rest of the world (note the wording please).   In the meantime, I used to work
 at
Paramount Pictures, and we had to file papers overseas before going after folks
for local copyright and licensing infringements.

Kenny1414@AOL.COM wrote:

> Umm ... Waitaminit. I thought the USA specifically modified its copyright law
> so it could join an international copyright agreement, The Berne Convention,
> or something like that.

> Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:43:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: (NO): Re: More thieves on the Web

In a message dated 98-02-25 01:52:46 EST, you write:

> Obviously copyright laws help people within particular national boundaries
and
>  are therefore obsolete in the borderless cyberspace universe.

Umm ... Waitaminit. I thought the USA specifically modified its copyright law
so it could join an international copyright agreement, The Berne Convention,
or something like that.

I'm pretty sure there is now, effectively, an international
copyright law, and that it holds for cyberspace, too.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:46:01 -0500
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Subject: Re: (NO): Re: More thieves on the Web

Info on canadian copyright law, with reference to specific problems in
 cyberspace,
available at:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/greer/copy1.htm

If I read this document correctly (and Canadian law has not been updated) then
Joseph Wu is not legally protected from the kind of webtheft that results in his
own graphics having been altered and posted elsewhere.

Really neat webpage on copyright law (U.S. focus):

http://www.benedict.com/

In the meantime, I'd like to know if "fair use" laws and other "fringe"
 copyright
protections apply *outside* the U.S.

Candice





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:59:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

> 28. Double sink using already existing creases: insert your finger from the
> top and form a pyramid starting from the base as you symmetrically separate
> the inner layers two by two.
>
Hold the bottom part of the model closed, and while pushing it into the
model open out the top of the model to form a rough inverted square pyramid.

Side view    \_____/     Front view  \______/
                |                       \/
> 29. View from the top - the square represents the hollow base of the four-
> sided pyramid; pinch the top of the pyramid in rder to give a triangular
> form to the base (suggested by the dashes). Insert your finger in point a
> to form the <corolla/petal shell>. Point c should move towards the front to
> form the <pistil/carpel>.

Squeeze the top flat petal to form a triangular pointed stamen.  As you do
this the top two pointed petals come together. Poke one triangular end into
the other and Taa-Daa! It's done :)

Thanks to everyone for giving such clear instructions. Without all this talk
about the model, I wouldn't have even known about it's existance and would
have missed out on such a stunning looking model.
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
* Andrew Daw                   email:  andrewd@redac.co.uk        *





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:25:18 +0800
From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Subject: lost message
Comments: To: "Origami@MIT.Edu" <Origami@MIT.EDU>

I only received half of origami digest 23-24 Feb (up till the orchid)!
Where's the rest - did the web thief steal the rest?  Was it the unafolder
having his evil ways with the messages? (By the way, is Fuse Tomoko san the
'unitfolder')  ;-)

clare





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:12:55 -0100
From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Subject: Re: origami and family traditions

>Hi list members,
>
>I was curious to find out if anybody on the list learned origami from
>parents or grandparents like it's
>been done in Asia.  I am working on teaching family workshops at the local
>library.  A gift book with
>origami paper was my first experience with my favorite hobby.  I enjoy
>sharing it with others and I think
>it's a great quiet family fun activity.  I created a binder of models and
>directions which credits the
>origami artists and has a pocket for paper and it can be borrowed at the
>Reference Desk to be used at a
>table nearby.  If people have problems with doing the models, they can come
>to my origami club at the
>library and get help.  My binder contains simple and intermediate models
>around a monthly theme.
>
>Ria Sutter

What a great idea! I'll use it as a follow-up to the workshop I'm giving at
the library here next month.
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:02:29 -0400
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Subject: Window stars: pseudo-origami
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Here's something for people who like the look of origami
tesselations but don't want the bother of folding them and
don't mind a little glue.

The Hearthsong catalog has a book called _Window Stars_.
The stars are made by folding units from squares of transparent
paper that are then connected to form a star. I haven't actually
tried making any of them yet, but the pictures are lovely & the
paper that comes with the book looks like pretty good quality
glassine. The kit which includes the book & 10 sheets of paper
(14" by 18") is US$10 & if you like the paper you can order
just the 10 sheets of paper for US$5.

In a previous catalog they had a book called _Rose Windows_
by Helga Meyerbroker that also used transparent paper to
create lovely mosaics, but that one is simply cut and glue---
no real folding involved.

Also in the current catalog is an "animal origami kit" which
includes directions for 12 (simple) animals and "a whole array
of wildly patterned colorful papers" The paper looks really cool,
but there's no indication of how big it is. At 24 sheets for US$7,
it's a bit steep for my taste.

You can request the catalog at 1(800) 325-2502.

If you're outside the US or prefer to work by snail mail:
Hearth Song
6519 N. Galena Rd.
P. O. Box 1773
Peoria, IL  61656-1773

I don't see any indication of a website in the catalog.

The usual disclaimer about not having any connection
to the company or products I'm advertising.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:12:16 -0500
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM wrote:
> K.A. Lundberg stated :
> | And thanks to Patrick Gonzalez for such an entertaining and beautiful model.
> Seconded. I think I will be folding this little gem again. So, anyone care
> to rate this model? Intermediate?

Ditto and ditto!  I'd say high intermediate, just because some of the
folds are a bit trickey, esp. the nested sink.

> My paper was so, eh, malleable by the time I got this right, that the
> creases don't get as firm as I'd like them to be, but still .. I'm all
> buzzing. It worked! It worked! Now there's just the issue of
 reproducability...

Yay!  Don't worry, that gets easier.  And you'll find that you can
streamline the folding sequence some versus the printed diagrams.  Then
you'll find (if you keep folding it), that you can do it from 3"
paper).  I haven't tried any smaller paper than that (3" I carry with me
anytime I have a pocket).

Not to cast a Shadow on this wonderful model, but I have had many people
ask me what it was.  Without a stem, setting, or other context, it is
not so obvious a flower as say, Kawasaki's Rose is even without a calyx
or stem.  Its almost like an abstract art form that doesn't "click"
until you know what it is supposed to be. ;-)

-D'gou

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:36:34 -0500
From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Subject: Re: (NO): Re: More thieves on the Web

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 Kenny1414@AOL.COM wrote:

> Umm ... Waitaminit. I thought the USA specifically modified its copyright law
> so it could join an international copyright agreement, The Berne Convention,
> or something like that.
>
> I'm pretty sure there is now, effectively, an international
> copyright law, and that it holds for cyberspace, too.

But then how are these international laws to be enforced? Suppose that the
Russion web site is breaking this Berne Convention, and that both Canada
and Russia have signed it. To whom should Joseph (and others) report this
infringement?

-Eric  :-P

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:37:37 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: (NO) Message timing

>It's interesting how I receive messages from the "new"
>listserver. I do not subscribe to the list in digest form.
>With the previous listserver, I received the messages
>in chronological order. Now the messages are not
>in consecutive order....
>
>hmmm... just interesting since now I really am not
>able to read the messages in order....

This software seems to take the message date at face value, so if a
member's computer has the date (or even the time zone) set up improperly,
that's the date that the message gets stamped with. I'll see if we can
change that so that the messages are stamped with the delivery date.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:51:37 -0500
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

>
> > 28. Double sink using already existing creases: insert your finger from the
> > top and form a pyramid starting from the base as you symmetrically separate
> > the inner layers two by two.
> >
> Hold the bottom part of the model closed, and while pushing it into the
> model open out the top of the model to form a rough inverted square pyramid.
>
> Side view    \_____/     Front view  \______/
                  |                       \/

I am now up to this step. I think I will be able to manage the double sink
without much difficulty.

> > 29. View from the top - the square represents the hollow base of the four-
> > sided pyramid; pinch the top of the pyramid in rder to give a triangular
> > form to the base (suggested by the dashes). Insert your finger in point a
> > to form the <corolla/petal shell>. Point c should move towards the front to
> > form the <pistil/carpel>.
>
> Squeeze the top flat petal to form a triangular pointed stamen.  As you do
> this the top two pointed petals come together. Poke one triangular end into
> the other and Taa-Daa! It's done :)
>
>
Hopfully after the double sink I will be able to follow what you wrote above
for step 29.

Perhaps I should first go to a florist. I am embarrassed to say that I don't
think I have ever seen an orchid. And if I have, I was not aware of what I
was looking at.

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:05:52 +0000
From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@ISODE.COM>
Subject: Re: (NO): Re: More thieves on the Web

djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET said:
>  http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/greer/copy1.htm
> If I read this document correctly (and Canadian law has not been
> updated) then Joseph Wu is not legally protected from the kind of
> webtheft that results in his own graphics having been altered and
> posted elsewhere.

I read it differently.  In particular, this paragraph seems apropos:

"Digital technology permits the extraction and enhancement of in situ
photographs or illustrations which are included in a photograph. Where this
occurs, the copyright of the author of the original in situ illustrations has
been infringed as has the copyright of the architectural photographer."

But then I'm no lawyer (let alone a Canadian one).  It most certainly seems
blatantly unethical.

> In the meantime, I'd like to know if "fair use" laws and other "fringe"
> copyright protections apply *outside* the U.S.

Yes.  One of the dangers of the recent moves to extend copyright to electronic
media is that they are trying to remove these rights.  They (the big
publishers, movie studios and other copyright owners) argue (against all
common sense and history) that the reason such uses were outside copyright was
because there was no suitable way of paying for them; they propose that in the
electronic age, there'll be ways of paying for this kind of use (the
equivalent of cutting out a newspaper article for a friend, for example), and
so no "fair use" will be needed.  (Similarly, Warner Bros, etc., would like to
remove "first sale" rights.)





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:31:14 -0600
From: Troy Tate <troy.tate@JUNO.COM>
Subject: (NO) Message timing
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

It's interesting how I receive messages from the "new"
listserver. I do not subscribe to the list in digest form.
With the previous listserver, I received the messages
in chronological order. Now the messages are not
in consecutive order....

hmmm... just interesting since now I really am not
able to read the messages in order....

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Seriously trying to avoid those techies
who have a "charisma-bypass".
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
troy.tate@juno.com <it's free--what can I say?>

_____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:37:44 -0600
From: Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM>
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

Sheldon,   How about looking on the web:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nplummer/orchid.html
or
http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~rhalgren/orchids/orchidpc.htm

I'm sure there are others. I didn't go any farther than the first page of links
presented by www.altavista.digital.com.

Keep folding!

Tom Hill
tomh@groupworks.com

> Perhaps I should first go to a florist. I am embarrassed to say that I don't
> think I have ever seen an orchid. And if I have, I was not aware of what I
> was looking at.





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:55:13 -0700
From: Nigel Pottle <fowlerj1@CADVISION.COM>
Subject: Re: (NO) Message timing

I had this problem, too, and was quite perplexed. Having my messages appear
in alphabetical order was not too useful. A student of mine solved the
problem for me. In my Internet Explorer mail toolbar, under View one can
choose Sort and go from there. In fact, the problem started in Netscape
which I was using at the time. I'm not a computer whiz, but this may help
your problem.

----------
> From: Troy Tate <troy.tate@JUNO.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: (NO) Message timing
> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 11:31 AM
> > With the previous listserver, I received the messages
> in chronological order. Now the messages are not
> in consecutive order....
>
> hmmm... just interesting since now I really am not
> able to read the messages in order....
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Seriously trying to avoid those techies
> who have a "charisma-bypass".
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> troy.tate@juno.com <it's free--what can I say?>
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:01:25 +0100
From: jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM
Subject: Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model

K.A. Lundberg stated :

| And thanks to Patrick Gonzalez for such an entertaining and beautiful model.

Seconded. I think I will be folding this little gem again. So, anyone care
to rate this model? Intermediate?

|    >                                        ... This sink is similar to
|    >the one that does me in with Daedalus, so I'll be pathetically
|    >grateful to anyone who can talk me through it.)
|
| I don't know about the Daedalus, what book is it in?

Jay Ansill's Mythical Creatures. One of the folds involved is a sink of
the head. As it happens, the head is at that stage an 8-pointed star
(rather like the point of a waterbomb base that has been squashed on
all 4 sides).
The net result is that I'm folding a mutant bird rather than a winged
humanoid. I think I'll need to have someone show me this thing. About
two score times will do :)

| <Kalei's walkthrough snipped>

Yes! Together with Andrew Daw's extremely helpful ascii diagram, this pulled
me through. I was still thinking of this as a full sink.

My paper was so, eh, malleable by the time I got this right, that the
creases don't get as firm as I'd like them to be, but still .. I'm all
buzzing. It worked! It worked! Now there's just the issue of reproducability...

--
 Jurgen Pletinckx                           BARC         Etre une heure, rien
 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17         qu'une heure durant
 jpl@barclab.be                                          Beau, beau, beau
 Industriepark Zwijnaarde 7, B9052 Gent, Belgium         et con a la fois





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:31:36 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Folding with sweaty hands (was Re: Help for the Orchid Flower Model)

Daddy-o D'gou dictates:

>Interesting.  I know Joseph Wu (and probably others) have written in the
>past about how their hands impart moisture to the paper as they fold, so
>the longer you have to spend folding, the damper the paper gets.

Not exactly. What I was talking about was folding from backcoated papers. I
had said that the slight amount of sweat from my fingers was enough to
dampen the paste that held the two layers of paper together, allowing a
degree of sculpting almost comparable to wet-folding. My fingers don't
sweat so much that the paper actually gets noticeably damp, although I know
that this is a problem for some folders.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:33:25 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: (NO) Message timing
Bernie Cosell said:

>This doesn't sound right.  There's no reason for the server to mess with the
>'Date' field in the messages --- it should just leave them.  As for delivery
>order, the dates on the messages have nothing to do with all that, if I
>understand his problem: he's not *receiving* them in the right order, which is
>a transmission problem.

<details deleted>

Yup. You're right. Sorry. I should read more carefully, and also not try to
explain technical things when I haven't had enough sleep. 8)

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:53:38 -0800
From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Subject: Re: l988 Charlotte convention

Hi Dorothy!

September 22nd through the 27th.

Dorothy

FoldingCA@webtv.net





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:03:36 -0500 (EST)
From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: l988 Charlotte convention
Comments: To: Origami@MIT.EDU

Will someone who knows please let me know what date the Charlotte convention
is this year.  I need to know so that I can schedule our COOP mini-convention
not to coincide so that I can come to Charlotte this year.  Waiting to hear
from someone in the know about this.  Dorigami





Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:42:18 -0400
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Subject: Re: (NO) Message timing

Troy Tate said:
>With the previous listserver, I received the messages
>in chronological order. Now the messages are not
>in consecutive order....

This occasionally happened to me when the list was at nctn.
Usually, it happened on days when there were problems
with my e-mail server, so I stopped blaming it on the
listserv. My understanding of the net is that every piece
of e-mail coming from the listserv to me doesn't necessarily
follow the same pathway, which could also explain this sort
of glitch. Hasn't happened to me since we've been on
the MIT server.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
